 Maksha, Motiza, Fubol Kenya Fede, World Team of Tони, Gormaya, and so on and so on. And of course he's here to share his agenda as far as his joint presidential bide alongside Bounfa Sosano in FKF elections. Good to see you, Banna, you've been long time. It's been a long time. I'm good. Question? Quesala ma kabisa. What informed your candidature? First of all, when I ran for the K4 chairmanship, definitely I was ambitious. I was going to be there for the rest of my life. I was looking at the big seat there. An opportunity came in earlier in the year, which someone actually told me to run for the top seat of the president. And I was saying I cannot rival the incumbents because of the resources, how flexibility he has in matters monitoring. And they said, don't worry, we will support you. So after that we didn't talk for a while and I was still thinking. But then I received a phone call from Bonfa Sosano and he told me, Mutiso we have to meet. I want to talk to you about something. And I didn't know what it was all about. And we met actually here in town and he explained to me what he wanted as everyone else knows. He had declared his candidacy last year, mid last year, that he wanted big seat of the health. And he gave me his agenda and it was very impressive actually. And the confidence that he showed on me, a former footballer, he told me that he's been following me. He knows about how vocal I used to be when I was at Madari United at Gorma here. And my input when I was care for president, the way I used to speak out for the players. And actually that confidence in me, I was very impressed. And I could just not say no. And I accepted the bid and since then we were actually going through one or two, three things. So that we unveil ourselves and that happened last week on Tuesday. So it's good that Mutiso is here so that he clears the air because there have been rumors being pedalled around. That these two are being used by somebody to sanitize and justify an illegality. I don't know. Have you had the same as well? We actually talked about that. We met when he told me about what he meant to be his running mate. And that came up because I told him. People know as me especially to be a support of the federation. When we endorsed Nick Mendoa, the incoming federation. During team change. During team change, we endorsed them. And what people also don't want to say is that vote was not mine to give. It was not my decision to make. And we had a meeting with the KFOR board and actually Nick came and we had that meeting. And everyone was impressed by the agenda. We were 14 officials, 13 came, only one missed. So after that, you know very well we could not also still make that decision because it wasn't ours to make. So we sent an SMS to the agenda to all club captains in the KPL, NSL, Women's Premier League and also in Div1 and Div2. We sent the messages one week earlier. So they had time and we also told them the agenda of the meeting. So they had time to confirm with the fellow team colleagues and to come up with something tangible to present on the D-day. So we had that meeting at Panaprikotel and it was a unanimous decision. And the current federation president, he came to the meeting and he gave out his agenda for Kenyan football, for women football and everyone was impressed. So after he left, we had our own small meeting and we asked them, who do you think we can give our votes to? Because all the other aspirants wanted to meet with me alone. And as I said earlier, it wasn't my decision to make, it wasn't my vote to give. So everyone was impressed with the agenda for team change. And it was a unanimous decision because by a show of hands, everyone raised their hands. So it was a unanimous decision and that is what people are not talking about. I did not go with this alone. I was representing the footballers, the club captains and the Kefa board. We have a lot of propaganda. We cannot deny that when it comes to football politics in Kenya. A lot of propaganda is being pedaled here, in here, out and you never know where you stand and who to answer and who is going to expect the truth from. But away from that... No, we stick on that because I haven't answered the full anatomy of it. And the whole thing, it was supposed to come. This is politics and just like football, it's dynamic. One day you're here, the next day you're there. And I had a sitting at the federation at the player status committee. So I continued my mandate for fighting for players rights, advocating for their rights. Since I resigned from Kefa, I continued with it at the federation. And it started unwell, but since last year we had only two meetings and I started asking questions. Like there's a backlog players calling me actually as an individual and I was trying to help them with these cases because I sought out some legal redress. And there's a backlog and I started asking questions like why are we not having this meeting so that we do away with this backlog of cases. And I guess I was set aside from them. From the inside now. Yes, I don't know if there were meetings called behind my back or not, but I have never attended a meeting since last year. What is the name of the committee? Players status committee. You had been seconded by Kefa then? It was just an appointment by the federation. Exactly, because of my role at Kefa. And after I resigned from my role at Kefa, I continued with at the federation. So people have to know that I'm an ambitious guy. And Kefa was not my last stand. And you cannot support someone for the rest of your life. Am I not allowed to spread my wings and fly? Everybody is allowed to do that. So I have every right to contest for the seat at the helm. Being a former footballer, playing for the national team, winning titles. I have suffered in this Kenyan football. I have cried. I have cheered with the titles I have won. Is there something you left football due to the injury you had suffered? Just before making a late comeback? Exactly. That's why I'm saying I have every right to go at the helm to try and change the way things are being done. And I'm proud of the things I changed while I was at Kefa. The structures that we put there, right now they are enjoying the fruits. And at the federation also right now, there have been structures which have been laid out that were not there before. But sorry. It reached a point where they could not go on from the structures. They did not fulfill the full potential of the structures. And that's why we need fresh faces, we need new faces at the helm. So that we take football to the next level. That was my question. Of the people that are vying for the football Kenya presidency at the moment. You and Bon Fesosano are the people we can outright say are outsiders. Bon Fesosano is a journalist, football writer and all that. He's a complete outsider from the main set people that we have seen there. My question is, what is this agenda that convinced you? When you started Bon Fesosano it convinced you and now you are in the same ticket together. What is this agenda that you have for Kenyan football? Well, that day we met, we took a look at the other aspirants. And these are regular faces that were used to year in, year out. Who have been there at the helm did nothing but still want that seat. And we were underdogs definitely. But you see, when we go to a football pitch, you don't expect to lose. You're going there to win. But to me I have a mantra that even if you don't win, you still win because you take the lessons. You take to the next election. So we are not in this election alone. We are also looking at the next election. But if we win here, we win. But if we lose, we still win because we are looking at the next one. We are planning for this and the next one. So we are not in this to just buckle up and step down just before the elections. We are here until the end. Why do you call yourself a dynamic duo? Well, exactly, that's part of it. But we make the perfect blend because he's been a sports journalist. He is a sports journalist. And you've seen even his social media has been vocal the way he follows African football. And he has travelled to some African countries. And he knows the know-how of what other federations are doing. You get me? And I, for myself, I know what needs to be done in Kenyan football. So that's how we make the dynamic duo because he is bringing his blend of experience. I'm bringing my blend of experience from Kenyan football. You haven't answered my question yet. You are gender for Kenyan football. Well, there are some things that we want to change. And we also want to continue implementing the structures that the current regime have set up. And one thing we really want to concentrate on is club licensing to bring professionalism to Kenyan football. And I feel this is one of the paths that the federation really had a nil rating because they could have implemented this club licensing bit by bit. It's not something that can be done overnight. Where did they go wrong? Where did the federation go wrong on club licenses? They just wanted to implement it in their first year. All of the, exactly. All the teams had to meet the threshold, the criteria. And yet, if that happened, they found out that only four teams could qualify to play in the Kenyan Premier League. And that was very wrong. They could have started with some bits, some threshold like the basics one. The basic one. Having a junior team, which should be mandatory, who should be also in the league that the FKF have formulated or the KPL. I don't remember the last time there was a 20 KPL tournament of which we don't want it to be a tournament. We want it to be a league, an ongoing league together with the Premier League. And also having a secretariat. Many teams here in Kenya do not have a secretariat. Where the chairman is, is where the office is. And that's a very sad state of affairs. We also want the medical cover for the players so that we will see players giving their all in football matches. Because they will know that their medical expenses will be taken care of. Players when going to 50-50 challenges, they will maybe jump up so that they don't get that 50-50 clash. Because they know very well what happens when you get an injury and you don't have any medical cover. And also we want to have a minimum wage for the clubs. It's very sad that most of the clubs in Kenya cannot sustain themselves. They have to depend on the grants from the KPL and the FKF Premier League, from the FKF Federation. So this is for some of the things we want to change in the first 100 days. This is what we will be concentrating on. We have not already laid out our full manifesto. We will do it after we become candidates now, after handing over the nominations. But the things we want to concentrate on is first the basics of the club licensing. Well actually the first one I will talk about club licensing here, of the presidents we have had at the moment. And I have had a keen interest of club licensing. And many clubs like the way you said it before, never met that threshold. And you have said in the first 100 days you are going to do that. The question usually is mausoleum with our clubs is you get into the office, you have been duly elected. But after the election politics follows you again. In that you get onto the Federation, clubs don't forget that politics. They still follow that politics to the office that you are going to. How are you going to deal with that? Because I understand that our education level mausoleum football is very low. We still have that mentality everywhere we go. That mentality is there. How are you going to deal with these people so that you can bring them to a level playing field where they can understand that this is what we need to do for us to move to the next level? Well the kind of politics that we are bringing in the Federation as I said we have fresh ideas, we have new faces there. So we bring a different blend of politics. And we are not in it like we want to bring to have all inclusive stakeholders. We want the politics of inclusivity because that is what has been lacking with the Federation. Like when you are not with us then you are against us. So we won't work with you. So we do not want the visit politics. We are not in it for the long haul. Football brings people together. So we do not want the visit politics. We want politics which will include all stakeholders and especially in negotiating for sponsorships. That is one of the main things where I can say KPL and FKF have been failing because we need all stakeholders to be involved in negotiations for sponsorship. We need the footballers welfare that is now cared for or if there will be a union. We need the referees association there. We need the coaches association there and all the clubs. These are the main stakeholders in football. So we have to include them in the negotiations. How will the players benefit? How will the referees benefit? How will the coaches benefit? Because right now you will find that in some leagues in the Federation you will find that clubs are actually paying referees which is bad for the integrity of football. So these are some of the things that we will want to change as the dynamic duo. A big one. And now let's go ahead and discuss what you said earlier. Grab Lensesing is a big one for you and I'll give you that. But you have also said that there are some programs that the Federation has started. The Centre of Excellence, I think it was a great idea but wrongly implemented because it's not only in Nairobi. Nairobi maybe is just supposed to be the headquarters but the Centre of Excellence is only in Nairobi and we know all over Kenya there is massive talent. I have travelled, I'm a mentor with Chapadimba and Safarekom so I have travelled all over Kenya. I've been to Garisa, I've been to Tukitui, I've been to Coast to Kericho and I could see the talent that is out there but they don't have the exposure. So the under 13 Harambistas, the under 15 Harambistas, the under 17 and the under 20 and the under 23 they have been having regular friendlies, regular matches. This was nonexistent before. Yes, they were never there. But you'd find that the same coach was the coach of under 13, the same coach was in under 15, you'd find still the same faces in the under 17, in the under 20 and also in the under 23. So we do not lack youth coaches here in Kenya. There are so many youth coaches. Why can there be a spread of those football coaches? The Centre of Excellence all over Kenya now. All over Kenya. We want the 47 counties to benefit from this centre of excellence. We want talent to be tapped from every corner of Kenya. That is why we are bringing the politics of inclusivity. We want to include all the stakeholders and you can see the current regime do not have a conducive environment for maybe co-operates all the counties and you can see the last two months we've seen the rise of other federations to rival this federation. Mombasa County have started their own football association and also Makweni County. Is it good or bad? It's very bad, it's very bad for the federation. We could see the extreme super eight league, they broke away from the federation. These are people who are supposed to be members of the federation and that is why we will bring the spirit of inclusivity. We want to negotiate with all stakeholders to take food to the next level. Let me cut you short. Mombasa starting their own football federation Garisa doing all that. And Makweni. And Makweni. Is it believed that they might have believed that we are not well represented in the main federation in Nairobi. That's why they want to do that. Exactly. And as I told you once you are against you are not with the federation, you are against them. So we want to bring everyone together. If we make that conducive environment these stakeholders will come to us and say we want to start a league at our county level and that is how we will try and incorporate the clubs which play in the FKF league to play at the county level because you will find that they will be funding from the counties they will be funding from the constituency level and that is what things we want to change. Here in Nairobi it has been divided into two branches. Nairobi East and Nairobi West of which I think it's a good idea but not very well implemented. We could have had at least eight zones here in Nairobi like eight constituencies that represent Nairobi want to have leagues in all those constituencies and there is money. There are corporates in estates my team I am chairman of Imara Daima football club which is in Imara Daima and there are companies just around us when we go to them to give us uniform they give us, when we go to them to give us both they give us our MCA and our MP who we are very grateful for they always pay our affiliation fees so there is money at the constituency level and there is money at the county level but it has not been tapped so when we come into the federation we will add these small teams to at least work with the county government and also the constituencies because there is money, there is CDF money for sports and there is also the minister of sports in the counties. I think we have moved now to your link for government I think that's where the conversation has led us at the moment you are linked to government because now we have got the national government and then we have got the county government is that your link to government how are you going to work with this government because I understand the county government with devolution at the moment many counties have come up with sports ministries at the county level but it's like there is no impact for them it's like a ministry in Kisi counties like a ministry in Mombasa county but for you how is that going to be inclusive to your government now that is how there have been so many missed opportunities by the federation these are some of the niti gritties that the federation has to work on and that is what we are bringing in as the dynamic duo we will have to tap on these resources there is money as I said in CDF in the county government which usually goes back to treasure exactly it goes back because it has not been claimed now we will try and claim it for the teams which are in the county league and sub branch league because you find that a team from Huruma they will play a league match maybe in the sub branch or the county branches you will find that they will go all the way to Kibira and this is a team which do not have money they do not have a source of income so when we incorporate them and we divide the zones they will only play their matches in Starray around Starray you will find others play only around Mbakasi East or Mbakasi West or Mbakasi South or North so it will help it is the burden of these teams and when we find these teams that their affiliation fees which is for sub branch leagues for sub branch teams their affiliation fees is 15,000 and for the county league teams is 30,000 this is a lot of money it is paid per season and you know in every match there has to be security so the home team has to hire a cop and also medical services so these are the things that we want to tap which is in the constituency level and the county level a big one there for you everybody is talking about grassroots football and all that and youth and everything but we've got this stakeholder which you have been helping for a very long time the welfare of the footballers and all that and your generation are getting out of the game most of you are getting out of the game you are now getting onto management and you are very young people getting onto football management how have they received you out there because even if you are a former or senior Nikola Muyoti is now hiring a seat and is a coach and all that but now how have they received your candidature outside there well obviously there have been mixed reactions and in politics that's a given there has to be a split opinions on who is this who wants to this is someone who has worked with the federation and that is something that people have to take it in a positive way because I know what has been going on so I am best placed to change the things that have been going on I have seen what the federation has done I have seen what the federation has not done so I am best placed together with Bonfa Sosano to try and change the niti griti where the federation has failed we have a chance to correct them we have a chance to reach their full potential to continue the vision that they had but did not fully implement and as we know I think there has been no incumbent who has defended his seat ever since I have known football politics there has no one who has come to it a second time and actually it has been a fast for every football president so we have a very good chance we have a very good chance to take this thing and some of those things I have told you we want to change we really want to change how the funds there is also one point I have missed is the funds inclusion there is a funds association but it has been greatly neglected and we want to incorporate them in the federation they have to be members of the federation we have the Kenya Secondary Schools Sports Association and the primary schools sports association you know when these upcoming footballers the teachers at school level their teachers or their teachers in general they are tasked with grooming these upcoming footballers so we want to try and have a balance between education and football and bring them on board they will have to be members of the members of the federation so we want a spirit of inclusivity for all the stakeholders of football with that thought of inclusivity and you mentioned the Super 8 which printed away from the football Kenya federation and these are the stakeholders that we want in the game how will you bring these people on board because now those guys are cold as in the game and they have helped much I think you are one of the beneficiary of Super 8 Yes, I am one of the success stories of Super 8 and actually when the president of the league Husein Muhammad when he was unveiling his agenda for Kenyan football when he was vying in 2011 actually made a speech at KCC when he was launching so as one of the success stories that is I was not really much into politics just giving my story but now in politics fully deep end of politics and we have to bring them on board because you know even corporates shy away because when they look at the federation when they look at the league NSL or KPL they see the same faces and they shy away from working with them so when they are new faces when they have fresh ideas they will come will bring them on board a project like the Extreme Super 8 league it's a wonderful project why would you not want them to to be taken care of the youth here in Kenya and especially here in Nairobi because you'll find that in extreme Super 8 matches there were so many fans better than KPL when you go for Chapadimba tournament you will find so many fans people say Machakos do not like football but I was there with Chapadimba and on Friday there was a match between KCB and Karubangi Shacks you could find you can count the fans who were there they were less than 20 80% of them were journalists true so the next day on Saturday and Sunday the stadium was packed they say Machakos people do not like football but the stadium was packed because of the packaging because of the conducive environment that the corporates are bringing in how they have packaged their whole agenda how they have packaged their whole tournament it brings fans to the stadium so it's not a steep hill to put they just look at the faces which are there and they shy away from working with them from what I'm getting from you is you will work to untrust the corporate trust from corporates because if you realise that Chapadimba coming on board they use their own resources without giving the federation any money you look at super 8 was the same thing just give us the lines and we run without giving the federation any money that trust is what you want to bring that trust is what we want to bring you see with the super 8 league or any league which wants to come on board we can give them 20 leagues all over Kenya run it because you have the resources you have the goodwill from corporates run the county leagues if we have the association the county level where they are setting their own associations we could give them the regional league take the regional league run it in your county so that way we will have these resources being tapped teams will no longer have teams not going to marches because they don't have fare they don't have food they don't have a hotel they can sleep in so once we tap into these resources I think like clubs paying the referees will be a thing of the past that is what we are assuring the football stakeholders that is the fans the coaches, the referees the footballers and also the delegates who are very important but in these elections we will be big one there for you thank you very much the Y254 it is the touchline here on where Maxwell has had just a bit of an emergency we will be talking to him to understand what has happened to him but the show must go on here and if you are joining us we are having a conversation with Innocent Mutiso who is the first chairman and their leader is Bonfuss Osano as post journalist who is actually now running for the presidency of football Kenya federation here in the country he is giving us the agenda and what they plan to do with football many things that we are talking about but now it is the ultimate one professionalism because the league has locked that and that's why we've got all these problems coming in I remember reading one of the first football chairman in Kenya has got to be the late honorable Kenneth Matiba and back in the 90s professionalism was running all over the world and that is what we wanted to introduce in Kenya but many people could not allow him to do that I don't put you on that hot seat for professionalism but can we achieve it Yes we can and as I said once we implement the club licensing once we start implementing it step by step we will reach those goals that is where the federation has failed if they started it bit by bit since they came into the foray in 2016 right now we could be full professionals we are semi professional currently our leagues are semi professional and below KPL they are just armatures so we want to bring that professionalism and it is achievable once we implement the club licensing fully we want clubs no longer operating on zero balance or operating on overdrafts and we will be monitoring these things at least 10 million so that we know this is the minimum balance for this team they will be able to pay this player from January to December we will start a circle where the players can contribute the referees or the coaches because they know very well that at the end of the month or at the first or the fifth of the month there is something that it will get into the accounts it will take something from there and put on the circle this is their money it's not our money but they will have a way of investing I'm very lucky to have grown up in the Madari youth or the Issa setup where when I was in Madari youth we had the Jamibora microfinance and every month because we used to receive money every month salary amount of money and put it in our Jamibora accounts it was mandatory for everyone it was mandatory so if we do that when doing that after 3 months you can take a loan if you want to start a business you start if you want to expand your business you can if you want to buy 3 things and actually that is the money which made me shift from my parents place to go to my place because I took a loan after 3 months to buy things for my house so it will be a very good thing if we incorporate this in the KPL in the NSL and this is where KFOR comes in or if there will be a football union this is where they come in this is where they will they will have huge responsibilities of also taking care of the footballers in the grass roots because also them they will be having their manis from tapping from the constituency level and from the county levels they will also have their money that they can save in the circle so this will bring at least a level of professionalism also in the clubs we no longer want clubs to be depending on the KPL or the FKFOR grants that will be a thing of the past and your final word now as you finish tell us what is your final word and do you see a bright future for Kenyan football that depends largely on the delegates because since the courage regime was brought in it was all rosy and things were good but there's a level that it reached that people got fed up and everyone was complaining so if they want another four years of complaining then they will vote wrong people but if they want a whole new setup if you want football to be taken to the next level then vote for the dynamic duo we do not have money to give the delegates we only have our agenda to sell and they should vote with their minds and their hearts they should know that we have football at heart the people who are actually our rivals do not have football at heart I saw someone one of the aspirants on social media donating football and you can see these are just footballs which are being hooked in the streets there are like 300 Kenyan shillings which when you use it because in the grass root you find they are not good grounds so after two days the ball is done it looks like a duster I have seen the other administrators who have been there and did nothing they want to come back but they are they are the people who have quoted actually live on TV saying that he is hiring a seat in the gobernatorial race in 2022 and the term right now from 2020-2024 it will be the running term so are they using the football elections as a springboard for Kenyan politics so people should try and at least vote for people who have football at heart who have the players at heart and we will take football to the next level Wukwe na tatuja bla? Wukwe na tatuja bla? Wukwe na tatuja bla? Magadana kufuwa rei ni fortuna kufuhu wu kuwaiti, kikiwa na mga jambu wa yaw제 bangu tomatoesu kufuwu wa kufuwa rei. but they are the outsiders in this musical game of chairs. We'll be right back, but for now, enjoy the PSG and Bayern Munich Champions League final. When we come back, it will be the fun zone here on the touch ring.