 and still going live. Hey everyone, welcome to Tuesday Tea. My name is Leanne Calderwood, and I'm so excited that you decided to join us today. We do Tuesday Tea bi-weekly here on LinkedIn Live and Facebook Live, and I am super duper excited about my guests today. I've only known my guest for the last two or three months, I think, Bobby. That's it? I know, it seems like forever. Forever. But Bobby Umar comes to us from Toronto, Canada, and we've gotten to know each other quite well over the last two months, but not well enough that I couldn't let him escape an opportunity to be a guest on Tuesday Tea today. Bobby has opened up my world to a number of different opportunities and different ways of thinking about thought leadership. So I wanted to invite him to the show. Bobby, welcome to Tuesday Tea. I am so excited to have you. Thanks, Leanne. It's lovely to be here. I'm very, very excited. Well, so the format for Tuesday Tea, Bobby, it's pretty informal. As the name suggests, we're just gonna have a tea time conversation. So thank you for bringing your tea mug to the show today. My audience is typically professionals in the hospitality space, be it meeting planners, event planners, people who work at hotels, destinations, even AV firms, catering firms, and such like that. So for people who don't know who you are, Bobby, can you tell people a little bit about who you are, what you were even doing pre-pandemic? And then of course we're gonna talk a lot about what you've been doing over the past 18 months. Sure. So I've been a professional motivational speaker for about 15 years. So I've traveled around the world to conferences, to companies to talk and speak about things like leadership, thought leadership, personal branding, authentic networking, building relationships, and in team, team, team dynamics, culture, anything to do with people, the whole people dynamic, the social dynamic piece, the power of connection, things like that. And I've done that for 15 years. I've been five to next talk. So I'm known to be someone who speaks a lot about that stuff. And then when COVID hit, everything got pretty much canceled. The majority of it lost 90% of the income and stuff coming in. So I had to pivot and figure out what I wanted to do. So I decided to go and just spend more time doing coaching. I put a lot of my programs around personal branding and storytelling and public speaking and everything online. So I was able to transition to people on online courses. And then I guess this year there's been a big shift with the aspect of social audio apps, like Clubhouse that when I signed on I thought this is really interesting. And within about a week I was like, okay, you know, I'm only in the best time in this. I think there's opportunity. And then started growing that. And now it's been really, really great because our Thought Leisure Brand Club is getting close to 15,000 followers. And I have 11,000 followers and built up a community of really amazing lead moderators who are putting together some great content on a weekly basis. So that's been really, really great. And yeah, I mean, that's another thing that I can train on. But for the most part, the transition for me has been to do more coaching and do more online programming and stuff like that. So yeah, that's a bit about me. No, that is a lot about you actually. And that is of course, how you and I met was in the Clubhouse platform. So you're ahead of me by a couple of months. You joined Clubhouse, I think back in December you mentioned- Chris and Eve. Yeah. So you were one of the early adopters. In fact, I think I'm also one of those early adopters because people are still learning what Clubhouse is. My husband has no idea what it is I do on the platform. So people are still warming up to Clubhouse. So can you take us back to December when you found this audio app and kind of how you found your groove and grew from being a rookie on the platform on day one to now thought leadership branding club with 13,000 members? Well, I mean, for the most part I went in because it was recommended by three people that I trust. Typically when one person tells me something, okay, great. But when three people I know talk about it, I'm like, okay, let me check it out. And then I went into, I waited in and out, I tried different things. I saw a lot of garbage, but I was certified as one of the good things. And I got into a couple of conversations where I was like, wow, there's some really deep, authentic conversations that are going on. Particularly because of COVID, so everyone was, you know, we were in lockdown. So we were kind of lonely and having those meaningful conversations via audio was actually kind of cool. And so after about seven days, I realized let me start doing stuff. So I started rallying. The first thing I thought of was that I just started hosting a common room. And so I started doing LinkedIn with a couple of our colleagues and I started bringing some more people to do a LinkedIn mastery session and we did that daily. And I think that started on like a New Year's Eve or something, we started doing a daily kind of discussion. And that started to pick up, started to take off with an even like a week or two and mixing it up really well. I'm looking forward to this LinkedIn discussion. And then I started leveraging that for conversations and pretty soon it led to many introductions, collaborations, partnerships, people will reach out to me to think, but what else do we do? What else do we do? I started dabbling in lots of other rooms. I was on clubbills for quite a while. I did too much. My wife was not and my kids weren't too happy about that, but eventually I found my groove in terms of the balance. And then I think what really happened was when clubs came out on clubhouse, everyone was gearing towards getting a club or if you're allowed to have two clubs and you want to start going crease for clubs, I was like, well, let me pick a club that fits with everything that I'm doing. And I dabbled different ideas. I thought maybe I could do a storytelling club or a personal branding club or a TEDx club, but I wouldn't thought that it should branding because it fits with a lot of what I do, public speaking, relationship building, content, innovation. I felt it fit really well with everything that I talk about. So that's what I started. And I also realized that much like Facebook groups, LinkedIn groups, a lot of people start groups but they never built them. So I was like, well, I'm going to build them. I bet you a lot of people aren't. And it turned out I was right. A lot of people weren't interested in building their clubs. And so I started to build a club and I started to reach out to people to, hey, let's host sessions. Let me help you figure that out. And pretty soon people came to me because I knew a lot about how to run a room, how to moderate, how to reach out to people, how to create a system where you can start generating some business from these rooms, how to build, how to create, how to come up with topics. And people started really wanting the coaching that I was offering. So I said, how about this? We do a weekly coaching call. You join my club, I'll help you grow your brand, grow your room, and I'll grow the club. And I think that way we all win. I kind of treated it like a community center. The club is like a community center where you go in and there's this room and that room going on, that room going on, different topics you go, where you want to go. And we run the community center in a very kind of nice, tight-knit community with a lot of niche topics, but also a lot of great community support. So, and now it's been, and then we decided to go even further with a leadership team and a new website. And now it's like, and now it's kind of really like a legitimate business that we're trying to grow with each other. And I think, yeah, I'm very excited about the potential of this and where we can take it. And it's been pretty exciting so far. Well, and I think you hit on so many point and points. You mentioned when people joined Clubhouse and there was this rush to create clubs. I was one of those people. So you kind of detailed my journey on Clubhouse where I was starting to join conversations but then decided to create a club, which of course, I'm not doing anything with right now because I've found your club. And to your point, there aren't a lot of clubs out there that are of course providing everything that you are providing from those weekly coaching calls to the WhatsApp group that we're able to jump into and help support other moderators with their rooms. There's so much that now the Thought Leadership Branding Club has become about. It's almost expanded beyond the borders of just Clubhouse. And for those of you who haven't visited Bobby's new website over at thoughtleadershipbranding.club, make sure you check that out. You can find Bobby's bio as well as bios for a number of our different moderators and of course all the sessions that fall under Thought Leadership. And I kind of wanna bring the conversation back to that Bobby, because the words you chose for the club, Thought Leadership, we're now able to help support people in a diverse number of industries, in a diverse number of roles. As long as you have thought leadership in an area, there's a place for you within the club and a place where you can find people who can support you. Can you tell us a little bit about some of those really diverse areas besides the personal branding and LinkedIn which I know you and I both adore, but there's so much more that the club is doing for individuals. Can you kind of give us a high level view of some of the topics that people are covering off in the club? Well, I mean, that's a good question. So I mean, there's things like burnout which I think is a really good topic which I think a lot of executives and employees can understand. There's entrepreneurship type sessions that are going on. There's sessions going on around mindset and confidence. There's one's on storytelling and public speaking. And I think that because it's thought leadership, we can have topics specifically around thought leaders on a specific field. So for example, when someone's running a room on healthcare executives. And so all the thought leaders in the healthcare executive space are showing up. So you can be a thought, you can run a room on thought leadership and cryptocurrency or thought leadership and financial investments and you can run a room or club because you're basically the other room for thought leaders. So and then of course we're really big on empowering women, diversity, inclusion. We have another one on social activism. So the sessions are pretty diverse and I'm really glad that we're able to see some really great things out there. And also because we're 24 seven, I mean we have people from Australia and you are up in Africa and North America that are running events. And I think that we can do things 24 seven, which I think is pretty cool too. And I think that's one of the things I appreciate the most about the club and the rooms is the diversity of the people and the individuals that prior to clubhouse, you know, you could maybe meet them during a Zoom meeting or maybe, you know, text them a message on LinkedIn. But there's something special about hearing one's voice and, you know, getting a sense of their communication style that only clubhouse, well, up until a few weeks ago, only clubhouse could provide that experience. But now because of the success of clubhouse, we're starting to see a few more platforms pop up, green room, I know you've just hosted a couple Twitter spaces. So can you tell people what is this Twitter space and how does someone get involved in those kinds of conversations? Well, I mean, they're just like all the other platforms, right? So clubhouse is an audio only platform, whereas Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter, they want to create audio conversations on their platforms. So Twitter came up with one called Twitter Spaces. And it's pretty much the same thing than the other ones. You create a room, you join the room, there's people on stage speaking, people in the audience listening, and then you interact with each other and there's different ways to interact. So search space is a little bit different. I only did my first one last Wednesday, I only got access in last month. And then I did another one on Monday and it went well, a hundred and seventy seven people, maximum in the room, which is great. And the conversation went really well and a lot of people are very supportive, a very unique, supportive, inclusive community, just like with the clubhouse. So I think there's a lot of opportunity there, especially since I have so many followers on Twitter, I mean I have almost half a million followers. So I definitely think that you should be investing time and energy into it. Obviously I can't do the same thing at different clubhouse, where we started from scratch and I spent a lot of upfront investment to build the foundation where we have now. But on Twitter, I probably can take a little bit slower because I have large following. And there's some things different between how it's, how it runs, but the general thing is very similar. Like, you know, put together a really good room, have a great conversation, learn to moderate well. All my skills I learned last six months of being in clubhouse have served me well on Twitter space because I was like, well, Bobby, like some troll came on and I'd swiftly dealt with them. Like, wow, Bobby, you seem to really moderate the room really well. I'm like, well, because I've been doing it for six months in clubhouse. So during Twitter space is not that hard because I've been there. I know what it's like. How do I moderate a really good room? So yeah, but there are slight differences. A slight difference to each of them. I did a post this morning on what are the slight differences with Twitter space or as a clubhouse. But I think at the end of the day, the social audio trend is powerful. The power of the authentic audible voice that people are liking. The ability to integrate audio apps into our lives much better than we could say doing content over time. So there's lots of different reasons why I think the social audio apps are going to be trending quite well even as we get out of this pandemic. You know, you raise a good point. They really only came on while clubhouse came on, you know, in the middle of the pandemic and now we're kind of heading into year two. So you don't see these going away when we get back to meeting in person. No, because I mean, you know, it's like video. I mean, we just aren't going to go away just because we're a person. I mean, even in the summer, people still use Facebook and LinkedIn. People still use Facebook and LinkedIn on the weekends and stuff. Why would it change? I mean, the only difference is now just like look up stories. Almost every one, three years ago, no one was using stories. Now Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn and even Twitter fleets. We're all using stories to show behind the scenes and share photos quickly and we're all doing that. Just a way in which we communicate with one another. And I think that, you know, just like TikTok and now promoting Instagram and go to Reels, we now have the short video thing that's going to be a trend. The other big trend of course is audio spaces. I think that now everyone has, not everyone has to, but I mean, audio spaces have a certain advantage of people they love. And so people are going to be using audio spaces far more often. And as we get out of this pandemic, we're still going to evaluate the relationships we've built, the communities we've built. I'm certainly like, I mean, you know, the people that have been part of the TLB team. I'm like, I'm really fond of you, become like my closest friends in the last three to six months. And so I'm looking forward to working with you even beyond when we get out of this pandemic. And thank you for saying that, but you're right. It is a bit of a family, you know, some family members you want to strangle and some family members you can't wait to see in the morning. So you're right. It has become a bit of a family dynamic with our little TLB team. I have a couple more questions for you about Twitter space that before I get to that, for anyone who's listening in the audience, whether you're watching this live or watching this on the replay, we'd love for you to pop your questions in the comments. The great thing about Bobby and I is we're always on LinkedIn and Facebook. And so we're here to answer those questions and give you the resources to point you in the right direction. Having said that, we did have a question come in from one of my connections, Suzanne, about the software we were using today. So Suzanne, there's a number of different softwares that you can use to do these live shows. I am using StreamYard right now, which is helping me moderate the comments, the comment that you sent to me, as well as moderate those solo shots that I had of Bobby because no one wants to see my ugly mug when Bobby is talking. So, but there's a number of different apps that can do that for you, but StreamYard is the one that we've chosen today. So I want to get back to Twitter Spaces because I am also on Twitter. Now, mind you, I do not have half a million followers. That's right, people. Bobby has half a million followers. But when it comes to my tiny little corner of the industry, I am a little bit of a big deal. I've got some, a few thousand followers. Can I get on Twitter Space or do I need to be a Twitter mogul like you to get access? Well, you know, I didn't get access to it for a while. So I had to bug them with, hey, what's going on? Why can I get Twitter Spaces? So I didn't know why I wasn't using it. So they're only going to slowly for people who actually host rooms. I got access to host a room just last month. And so what I would say is that, you know, you just keep, but you can get on stage. So if you can host a room, you can still get on stage to be a speaker. So that's something. So, you know, I'm doing my rooms now. I've committed to once a week on Mondays at 11am Eastern weekly. And so if you want to join me and be proud of that conversation, you totally can. And that's at eight o'clock in the morning, my time, which is the other thing I like about these audio apps is I don't have to do my hair or my makeup for these 7am rooms, these 8am rooms. Because this doesn't happen just like this. Like this takes work. A lot of work. That's why Tuesday Tea is one of the afternoon people. It's because I had to ramp up for these things. But it is fascinating. And you know, I do jump on Clubhouse at 7am in the morning. My room is a 7am Pacific room, which is ridiculous. We're looking at changing that. But you can listen to these conversations while you're in the car. In fact, our speakers and moderators are literally in moving vehicles while these conversations are happening. Bobby, I know your shtick is you like to do the dishes when you're listening to Clubhouse. I do my makeup and my hair while listening to Clubhouse. So we've all kind of found our groove with how to consume the content. Because it is content on the go, right? We're all kind of on the go. And I appreciate you saying that these are around to stay because I'm getting kind of used to not having to do my makeup until 10 or 11am. Well, I mean, I think the initial appeal was the fact that it was easy to leave that adjustable content, right? This is a lot like podcasts where you can go for a run. But I think the other part, so I think this is easily digestible conversations people. But the other part I think is really important is that it's integratable. So, you know, we're all weary of having that brand new app, y'all. And another Snapchat, another TikTok, another LinkedIn, like, you know, people get tired of that stuff. But with the social audio apps, it's much more easy to integrate in your life. Like it's not a huge burden as the other ones because, again, you're right, I can do laundry. So typically what I'm doing in my rooms on Clubhouse or Twitter spaces, I'm usually doing something, not always. I'm sometimes a focus, but most of the time I'm usually doing something either going for a walk or I'm doing dishes, which is famous for cooking or I'm grocery shopping. It's pretty much those are the four biggest things I'm doing. Yeah, I tried grocery shopping once, and I couldn't do it because it was too much. I could not. It's hard to leave, but you can be on, it's hard to leave, but you can still be like a support mod or you don't stay speaking. Yeah. Leaving is hard. Tuck myself into the audience when I need to focus on, you know, standing at the deli and getting my meat for the week, which is hilarious. One time I got caught, I was brushing my teeth and I couldn't tell that I was brushing my teeth. Just for two minutes, right? Like, where is he? Where's Bobby? And I was like, oh, sorry, I was brushing my teeth. I told you, I told you, I didn't tell you. Well, it has introduced a new level of multitasking, for sure, like, but to your point, that's the great thing about Clubhouse, is we can go for a walk and still consume professional content. We can do all these things and still feed our minds if we choose, but there is that danger, and you spoke to this a little bit earlier, and I'm coming out of that danger zone as well as spending too much time on these apps and not focusing enough time on the other priorities. So you mentioned you've now got a balance, but how did you get there? How, what did that look like for you and your family? And just to be clear, my balance may not be with someone else's balance. Yeah, clear. So what originally would happen on Clubhouse was I was on it so often that my son called a family meeting and said, hey, daddy's on Clubhouse, call the tonic. What's going on? And yeah, and so I was like, okay, you know what? I will let us create a protocol because now what happens? My headphones are always on. Like are you listening to anything? I'm like, no, I'm not listening. Just ask them to listen to something because sometimes I leave them in and do the stuff and they forget that they think that I'm online or that I'm not. So I said, just come up to me and ask me, daddy are you online? I'll say, I love the stuff I am and I can talk to you if it's on Clubhouse. And I just, I still have a lot of kid rearing while I'm in Clubhouse as well. So I had to come up with those protocols. And the other reason why I set up the, the reason why I set up a Linton Mastery daily session with other speakers and set up a whole list of here in the protocols for how we do these rooms. The same reason why I ran the club is because I wanted to create a system and a foundation for other people to be empowered to do stuff and build and grow their brands and grow the club. So I didn't have to be there. So like for Linton Mastery, for example, now it's at a point where I had to be there three, four hours a week. Whereas before I was doing, you know, 10 hours a week. So that's changed. And then for Twitter, you know, again, I'm Twitter Spaces. I connect to one hour per week. I'll be honest that the sessions have lasted two hours because when you first try it on those platforms, a lot of people that want to share and it goes well. And so I let it go for two hours. And so, you know, I've been in rooms that went four hours. So it's kind of the same thing on Twitter Spaces, but hopefully I'll be able to find that balance. And right now I've committed certain amounts of time per week. And as long as they're my schedule to plugged in, I'll be able to do it. And that's what I've started doing as well is scheduling my clubhouse time, which kind of takes away from the romanticism of just lurking in the hallway of clubhouse to find a topic that fascinates you. But at the same time, it's started to keep me on task with the other priorities in my life. The priorities, if you don't mind me saying, the priorities that hopefully will end up creating some revenue and some income. And so Bobby, I know you mentioned obviously that your income dried up along with literally hundreds of thousands of people in our hospitality and meeting spaces, but you are still staying in touch with clients and potential clients. Can you tell people some of the things that you're doing outside of all of the great free content that you give out in clubhouse and Twitter? Like in terms of programs, things like that? Yeah. Yeah, so I mean, before, so I used to run personal brand workshops on behalf of my company, DYPB Disability Personal Brand. And now we completely digitize that. So this entire online program with 30 videos, 30 exercises and 20 hours of homework materials to help people discover and dive deep into their brand and come up with their brand statement and their brand kind of design. So that's a whole program that we've created online. I'll start doing online storytelling workshops where I take like four to six people and I may seek take them through in over two hours and help them develop their own powerful stories like a three minute story or take their content and really boost it from the story perspective. So that's something I've been doing. And now I run a five day thought leadership program, a series where I go through five key elements that I teach them on thought leadership. So one is mindset, confidence. The other one is building relationships, content creation, communication, community building, storytelling and their personal branding. And then I then take them through and then some of them join me for a week thought leadership program where they take the course, they have crew coaching and we'll go through the process. And now I'm doing stuff for clubhouse. I'm doing clubhouse tips on how to grow your own club, how to monitor your room, how to build your brand on there, how to let relationships, and then also how to monetize. So I'm doing all that. That's one way that's been your project now. And then on the other side, there's three main things that we're working on. The clubhouse growth, then the clubhouse growth. The second one is the thought leadership branding program. And the third one is that my speaking and training. So we can train tomorrow actually on helping insurance executives to leverage LinkedIn better. So I train people on things like storytelling, branding, LinkedIn, Twitter usage, how to build a thought leadership workshop, how to create content, how to do videos, how to reach out to people about that big way and don't mean for relationships. So a lot of that stuff that I talk about, I still have to go into companies and train them on that kind of stuff. And I'm so glad to hear that because you're right, a lot of us have had to take that great pause, but it sounds like you've stayed very busy, probably more busy than you'd like with all the clubhouse commitments that you have. You touched on something that you do training around that I've watched you a little, again, in the limited time, I've known you your own journey around mindset and confidence, and in particular being very authentic on your platforms. In fact, for you, it's almost become a meta experience in when you're authentic about being authentic. Can you walk us through a little bit about how your content has changed to include a little bit more of the personal Bobby Umar and how that creates connection with your clients and with your audience? Yeah, so I mean, I think over the years, probably the last year or two, I've talked about certain things. So I've always been open in the last five years, I would say, but sharing my health journey. So whether I'm doing keto or I'm doing body image or I'm trying to lose weight or I'm struggling, whether it's easier than that, I'm willing to share that stuff. And I've also been sharing that on LinkedIn. So, and I think by having, by being open about that kind of stuff, it allows people to know they're all alone and to feel like they have a voice to it. Sometimes they listen and they reach out, which is nice with private messages. So I've been doing that. The other thing I've been shifting into in the last, I guess, to last year is getting more socially active. So social activism, social justice, talking about racism, talking about politics, things that I care about that are bothering me or upsetting me. I'm trying to share that some more. I've been inspired by some people on LinkedIn in particular about how they share their stuff. And I want to do that too. I think what happens is by, again, by doing it, I mean, I've also learned how to do it in a way where I think it can, because there's a way to do it where you're ranting and there's a way to do it where you can actually invite conversations. So I've been learning, I've learned over the years to how to, particularly on Twitter, which is the right devices space, how to invite conversation with the right people. And the people who are willing to engage do so, the ones who don't, they don't really have an outlet for them. There's no outlet for them to troll me because I don't really allow that. So I've learned different practices for doing that. And I think it's certainly one. Well, it's certainly serving your community. I know that I always learn not only about you, but from you on how to do, to authentically be authentic. And I know that sounds very meta, but I think what spaces have been crowded with people using authenticity as a selling tool. And then it comes off as inauthentic. And so there's this fine line in being authentic. In fact, we talked about this in one of the clubhouse rooms. It might've even been linked in mastery about that fine line between being truly authentic in service of someone else and being authentic to try and attract an audience, which there's a fine line there. And I think that it becomes very blurry sometimes when people share about their journey about the motivations behind it. But you have always been very honest, almost to a gut wrenching honesty, which has been very refreshing. And I know that I've always trusted you from the very beginning, but your journey has definitely cemented that trust factor. So I appreciate you if no one else comments, which they will, but I've always appreciated your story and your storytelling. I think a key piece is intent, right? What's your intent? Is your intent to drive sales? Okay, then maybe it will be authentic, but your intent is just to, but I mean, certainly being vulnerable, being authentic can lead to conversions and relationship and trust building and maybe sales. But when I share the social activism stuff, my intent is to bring awareness to those issues. When I talk about vulnerability around my body, I mentioned food addiction and bingeing issues. That's because I'm trying to help myself by processing my emotions, but also help people who are out there who don't have a voice. And 90% of people don't even comment, they seem and read and they internalize it. And so it really helps them. I mean, those things aren't really meant for building a business. I mean, when I want to build business, I do a value, I start a conversation that's, I hate, let's take this offline and let's have a conversation about how I can help you with your brand, your story, tell me what it might be. When I do the other ones, I mean, it's kind of an offshoot with the Gary Vaynerchuk, jab, jab, jab, right hook rule on valley, valley, valley and then ask for business. I'm actually doing jab, jab, jab, hug, and then group hug where I throw it in the end. So I do a hug is basically vulnerable and then group hugs where I basically do a lot of gratitude for the people that are on the platform. And that's to me a big part of what I like to do with my content. You would be the worst boxer, I'm sorry, but you can't just jab somebody and then give him a hug. Like it's just not going to fly. Before I transform the industry. But I get what you say. I love the book, jab, jab, jab, right hook. I refer to it often. So I see the formula. I love the hug and the group hug. We just maybe need to find a different analogy than the, I'm going to knock you out and then I'm going to hug you afterwards. Yeah, we'll figure that one out. We'll figure that one out. So Bobby, if somebody wants to learn more about you and connect with you, aside from finding you on Clubhouse and Twitter Space, what is the best way for them to get a hold of you and learn in particular about your programs around storytelling, around mindset, around authenticity? How can they find you? Well, my main website is called rayallon.com. That's for all my speaking and training and coaching that I do. And then I have dypb.ca, which is discovered across the brand. That's for all the personal branding work that people want, personal branding and thought leadership branding. And then for all the clubhouse stuff, you go to thoughtleadershipbranding.club. So those are all the three more websites you can do. I actually have an article called ch1.ca for coaching specifically. But you can get coaching on my rayallon page, too. But let's say I'm out there, I'm everywhere. Reach out to me anytime. You can see what I'm doing when I talk about it. I'm happy to catch people and see if I can help them. Well, and you've certainly already helped me today. And you help me every day. We always connect. You're so nice and lovely. Come on, Mia. Oh, no. No, you'll see the authentic Leanne sooner or later. But yeah, but here's the thing. How can you not love tea time on Tuesdays? It's literally my favorite time of the week is to just take a break, have these fun conversations. And this is one of my favorites because you are definitely one of my favorites. Thanks, everyone, for joining us today. If you're catching this on replay and you have questions or you need to get a hold of Bobby or I, still plunk them in the comments. Because we're reading that. We'll follow up with you. We'll make sure that you're connected with the right people, be it Bobby and his team over at thoughtleadershipbranding.club. Or if you'd like to connect with Bobby and his other collaborators on their different programs and offerings through this time. And don't forget that Bobby is a keynote speaker. So I'm speaking to you if you are a meeting planner or an event planner and you are ramping up your in-person meetings for 2022, Bobby is an in-demand keynote speaker. And he speaks on these topics and so many others. So please reach out to me or Bobby to connect on how he can elevate your next meeting or conference when it is safe to do so. Which I think is happening so very soon for us here. Yeah, I'm glad to say that too because I mean, I think that's the one. It's the thing I miss the most. I miss being on a stage in front of a hundred or a thousand people. I think I have one coming. I mean, I have stuff to book till 22, but I have one coming. I think there always is in the fall in Poland and I'm looking forward to that because I haven't been in front of people for a long time. So I'm looking forward to going back to doing that. Again, this is my favorite thing. It's my number one love in the world to be on stage and be on fire. I mean, like people up on my content and engaging them in itself. And we are looking forward. Well, that's the thing is I never saw you on stage. Like I met you in Clubhouse and then like I do, it's my living to go to meetings and conferences. So the fact that we haven't crossed paths before just befuddles me, but now we have, and now I'm going to see you everywhere. I will be waiting for you. It's funny. And what's funny is when you see, when people are hearing me in the social audio apps, they see me as kind of just chill. You know, I'm very calm, cause to be voice okay, but I think and I'm very matter of fact about things. If you see me on stage, I'm on fire. Like I'm electric. I'm like, hey, and I'm like, I'm so, it's so different. I have a lot more energy on stage. If you go to my YouTube channel, you'll see like a, there's one of me on, there's an event that I call Haston Hustle where I've, Gary Vaynerchuk was there too and I was speaking too. I'm so excited. And I only had 12 minutes, but I was just, it was like one of the best things that speeches ever gave. Cause I was just so on fire and so excited with front 2000 people. But, and people are like, wow, you're so different on stage. And we add a little bit, a little bit. Well, I believe you're an extrovert then because you're kind of, you know, feeding off of the energy of the 2000 people in the room. In clubhouse, you're literally feeding off the energy of the cat in your kitchen. Like it's just a different dynamic. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so I mean, I feel with the rooms, right? But I mean, yeah, I mean, I'm a hundred percent extrovert according to Myers-Briggs. So when I get on stage and when I get out there, it's great. I mean, but also the social media app, clubhouse also helped me too because I'm feeding off people's faces and profiles and their voices and others too. Well, and that brings us back to the beginning of the discussion. Both you and I have met so many people through clubhouse and it is here to stay even when we do return to in-person because in a room with 2000 people, you can't make the connections you can make in a half hour clubhouse room any given day of the week. So thank you so much for everything. Folks, like I said, if you have questions about Bobby, about clubhouse, about Twitter space, this is where you can drop those questions. We're going to check in and make sure that you're pointed in the right direction. Tuesday tea returns in two weeks time. My summer schedule is every two weeks instead of every one week because I literally, it's cooking in my house and sometimes doing these live videos. I'm literally melting. So two weeks, we are returning. We're talking about personal branding goals and kind of getting over those things that trip us up when setting our goals. Same time, same bat channel. We'll see you on Tuesday, July 27th. I think it is 1 p.m. Pacific and 4 p.m. Eastern. Bobby, thank you. I know we're going to hang up this call and we're just going to jump into the WhatsApp group again. But thank you for spending time with me today here on LinkedIn, YouTube and Facebook Live. And I will see you tomorrow in clubhouse. Thank you, Leanne. I love everything you're doing too. Keep it up. Oh, thank you, Bobby. Thanks everyone for joining us. Have a great week. Bye for now.