 Good morning, everyone. This is the Friday, June 24th meeting of the elementary school building committee. And for those of you who can see me on the screen, you will realize that I have had some surgery on one of my eyes, which means that I don't see the screen very well. And I'm going to ask Paul to chair. So I don't miss people. And the first order will be Paula just make sure that everyone who's in the committee can hear and be heard. And then he will be turning it over to Margaret with the agenda and Donna. So Paul, you are here for the day. So we've heard Kathy and you hear me. Simone. Can you hear. Yes. Okay, Ben. Yes. Okay. Sean. Yes. Rupert. Here. Jonathan. Yes. Tammy. Yes. Alicia. Here. Allison. Yes, I'm here. Great. Thank you. And. If we missed it, Mike is going to be late. We know. And, and Jaca is maybe try is traveling. We're not sure if she'll be in and Phoebe is the only other person we have not seen, but we'll keep an eye out for her. Okay. So the next order of business, I believe. So just. Just to turn it over to Margaret and you're going to talk about today's meeting what we want to publish. Good morning, everybody. I'm just going to pull up the agenda. Maybe everybody see that. Yes. So kind of a milestone here we're going to look today at the preferred schematic report. So we're going to look at what we're going to do today if you all have any questions and then it is destined for submission to the MSBA on Monday. After we incorporate any comments that we've heard. So we're going to what we're going to do for the purposes of organizing the meeting. We're going to walk through the table of contents and talk about the things that are. Submitted subject to any revisions highlighted. Then we're going to talk about the schedule for the next couple of months as we move into the summer, and also do a bit of a interest check on visits to schools. So that is the plan for the meeting. Donna and Tim, do you want to, I have the table of contents and can put it up if you want me to be great. Thank you. Yeah. So I will run the table contents by and Donna Tim and Rick can talk to that. So we sent it out I think it was Wednesday night and it is certainly a lot of reading so hopefully a lot of it was everything that we discussed but just to quickly go through it. So it is just reconfirming and restating things that MSBA has asked for clarification over through the PDP and then up till now, but the introduction is pretty self explanatory it's it's almost redundant to the final evaluation of alternatives and the preferred solution. The final evaluation of existing conditions MSBA wanted us to acknowledge the Wildwood preliminary geotech report which was back in 2015. We're including it for reference really, as now we're not even considering Wildwood anymore. We updated or we included the final completion of the traffic study. And the town has identified or created a narrative which was very thoughtful on the potential future use of the Wildwood site. The final evaluation of alternatives. It captures everything that we've talked about. It talks about the sites the analysis how we're going to address the attributes of both sites, actually, because this is looking at all of the options. We included the phasing diagrams which hopefully will be very helpful as we talked about the reasons why really Fort River was selected the conceptual drawings which included all of the options as is as all of the options for the various floor plans layouts, and the reasons why we selected certain of the preferred layout, the preferred site plan, and the basis of design we've all gone through and all of that's captured and the cost estimate. This also includes that we're including TVs and ground source is the basis of design for cost estimating. We then I think pretty much include the summary of the options which was pretty straightforward, as well as the budget and the cross summary. The evaluation again it's it's everything that we've been talking about it's really taking the information from the evaluation of alternatives. What we did do was highlight in the educational program what MSBA had questions on rate related to the budget program just for really ease for them to see that we've addressed those questions. We've included the space summary, they asked for a variation from the initial space summary and you'll see it's negligible. But really wasn't there was no change to the overall square footage or net floor areas MSBA calls it. We just modified a couple of spaces like the reflection room instead of one at 150 we did. We just preferred to have two at 75 but the overall net floor area doesn't change sustainability documentation which we really haven't talked about. So we would like to say that based on the preliminary and we'll be getting into this at schematic design that we're at 64 yes points right now which puts us at goal. So that's pretty exciting. Thank you Donna for for for lead for lead. Yes, thank you. Which is, you want to explain a little bit about lead because I'm not sure everybody knows about that. So they're to pass and I think we've talked about this prior that we have stated that I think it was in the basis of design that we were going to attempt to achieve a silver for lead lead is there there are organizations that evaluate energy material site as it relates to sustainability of the building. One is New England ships which is some of you may know but it's a lesser known entity, and then there's lead. And we believe that lead is the preferred method to move forward especially because it's new construction. Everyone is, everyone knows it. There's no cost differential between the two you still have to pay for them to evaluate the submissions, etc. We're moving forward with lead unless we would like to talk about that we can certainly have that conversation. We can switch later. During schematic design if we choose but we're really pleased that we're at a solid 64 points for lead which puts us at goal. There are going to be some digging that we're going to have to do to confirm that we can achieve all those and I don't recall the exact number of maybe points but we have quite a few maybe points so we have 22 maybe points, 22, yeah there's another bunch of points on the table. So I don't want to get anyone too excited but you know if if we can achieve majority of those platinum I think is that 80. So part of the reason this is important is that there are MSBA does offer additional incentive points for high high level of energy performance and this is a metric for measuring that. So that's going to come up as we start to get into the discussion of the MSBA reimbursement and the next phase. Yeah, and we're confident we're going to achieve MSBA doesn't care. So if you are just certified, or if you hit a level, whether it's silver gold platinum whatever all they're concerned about is that you reduce your energy usage or energy savings by 20% over. Absolutely. So we're confident, based on the design and the town's goals that will easily achieve that. And then utilizing the PDs, especially because they're incorporated as part of the project, we get additional points, etc. So we're really in an excellent position to meet to meet lead bold, and we're confident that we'll get the additional to reimbursement points from MSBA. So, once we have a net zero meet I'm getting off topic but we do have a net zero meeting we're trying to set that up beginning of July and then we can report back. Once we have a decision on that. Including the building plans, the site plans as relates to the preferred solution, the total project budget and local funding there's some narrative in there about. Actually I think was that updated after we submitted this, we incorporated it right. We got it in. I don't mind Tim, we did. So, I know. Yeah, no, no, no, because we had to modify it yesterday, right there was some ads to yesterday. So was included in this. Just talking about the process and and target dates to receive town approval and funding. The school department worked really hard on putting together a budget statement which really reflects what your current expenses and revenue are on the district side, and then any changes on the expenses. Once the new building is online so that's included there. And then, again MSPO just wanted to understand what other projects are going on in town so we're including the fiscal year 23 capital improvement plan, as well as an updated project schedule which has not changed. And then the local actions and approvals are self explanatory. So I know it was a lot of reading but hopefully it's nothing new, except for maybe the, the sustainability document, which just demonstrates how our path to gold. So, one thing that was new. And I don't, because I'm not sure anyone had a chance to look at it we're going to talk about a little bit is the overall schedule. I, part of my contribution to this effort is developing an overall schedule for the project that allows the MSBA to start to plan for their own internal staffing for reviews. So it's an important moment when the PSR goes into set an overall plan for the schedule for the project so before we turn to that. Does anybody have any questions on the table of contents or the PSR to the degree that you've been able to look at it. Just looking for hands, not seeing any hands. Well, then if it makes sense, I'm going to pull up the schedule. And then if there are no questions on the schedule or after discussion schedule then I think we are probably good to take our vote if that sounds okay. So, let me pivot to the schedule. I'm going to give me a minute to enlarge this because it's not really visible at the size. So, this is what's called a Gantt chart. And it's got lines over to the right that sort of tell you, give you a graphic sense of the bits and pieces. But I'm going to for the purposes of this discussion today I am just going to look at the, at this roll up, which is the milestone dates. So, if everybody can see that. I'm just going to say that, you know, we are actually here. This line so at this point we, as you know that we submitted the PDP in March. And now these are all the items schedule items that are part of the preferred schematic report that are milestones within it. So, I'm going to go on past that to look at what happens next. So, just a second. Are those 2021 years correct 22. I'm just missing maybe I'm missing it but. Oh yeah there's a couple of these that need to be changed 22. So, here we are. Margaret the only maybe other thing that we just want to mention is that our facility assessment subcommittee meetings been confirmed. Yes. And that's the, yeah, the 22nd of the 21st. So that's a meeting with, it's a kind of peer review by some of the members of the MSBA board, and it's about a 4550 minute meeting that will occur on August 3. And so the attendees at that I think at this point are Kathy, Mike, and so anybody else from the committee was going to come I think not. So it's mostly a dialogue between the committee members, the designer, and the superintendent. Okay, so let's talk about what happens next so they're the overall, as you know where we're where we're trying to get to is a building in that is occupied for the fall of 2026. So the next steps to get there are the next immediate step is schematic design. And this is going to occur the starting tomorrow, no starting Tuesday after we get the submission and will end in December. The MSBA has not yet published the submission dates for 2023, but we're essentially looking at submitting in most likely in early January or just to get past the holidays, and that will be able to confirm that date when they publish their dates for submissions and board meetings so we're with these are a little bit of a guesstimate but backing up to, you know where we need to end, you know after the, how fast this process is felt. This will feel a little bit more measured, but not a lot. We think we're recommending that we set up committee meeting schedule that is about every two weeks we may not need all those meetings. And what's going to happen the first two big items that we want to tackle in July are the ground source versus air source choice for the building system for the heating and cooling source and then we want to take on the discussion about construction delivery which is the understanding, getting you to a level of comfort with the difference between design bid build and CMI risk that would allow you to give direction to the team about what you want to pursue. Then there's a bunch of different tasks but in a nutshell, the important one is kind of here, which is that we want to be able to for the design team to have completed their design to the level that can, it can be estimated in a detailed fashion by the beginning of November. So that by the beginning of December, we would be able to present to you the cost estimates and the cost estimate for estimate reconciliation, as we just did with the PSR. So it's now we're estimating one option, and what is important is to get to a cost that can be used as the basis of the funding agreement and can be dependent on for the course of the project. So, once that cost estimate is determined and the committee has signed off on it then the council can vote to put the project on the ballot. The next big step then is funding the project which requires the MSBA is approval, as well as the local approval and as you all probably know, there's really two steps for the local approval. There's a debt exclusion vote, and then the council also has to vote to bond. I don't think I can vote to bond before or after the debt exclusion vote, but tentatively working with Lynn Griesmer last week I think we've, we're, we're putting a pin in having the debt exclusion vote in the second half of March, and then the council will decide when to bond but tentatively they would bond in April. And then the project funding agreement occurs, and the MSBA board takes a vote. I haven't put the MSBA board vote in here because we don't actually have their days yet but that will be part of the process. And then we're launching into what's called module six, which will take us all through the important milestones in the design process and end with putting the project out to bid in May of approximately May of 2024. Now, these numbers aren't seven stone obviously they're subject to change but this is, you have to start somewhere so this is kind of a first attempt. I did this in collaboration with the design team so hopefully these dates will work for them. So it would be bid in the, I guess I would call it the spring of 2024 and the goal is really to be starting construction in July of 2024, right after school ends. So then they're going to get launched and do construction and essentially here this punch list and move in here is here we are moving in to the building in July and August of 2026. The building is up the demolition is going to start in that spring as well so the new building will come down. And then, as we discussed them, there would be additional site work which is landscaping, some parking areas and paving and some other things would happen around the school, after the school is a session and would end by November, and then there's a close up period. So, so I'm going to stop there and see if there are any questions. Hey, Phoebe. Hi. I have just one on this next period. Before we go out to vote. And before we go to the council, will we have some 3D pictures something more vivid to show about the school, including, and this links into potentially visiting some schools including to what the outdoor play and learning spaces might look like something more visual than what we've had so far so that's my question. And during our committee meetings or in between those committee meetings in terms of meetings with teachers and things, what happens so it starts to come to life a bit more. That's my question. So that's the yes but I'm going to let Donna take that. I know Kathy, because we spent so much time and you were fortunate enough to really have a really good evaluation on options and schools and sites and configurations. Now we can really get into designing the building so absolutely discussion on on exterior materials, what is it going to look like what's the massing going to look like and all of that will be represented three dimensionally as as the interior. Right and how those project areas work and in the organization of the classrooms, etc. So, Tim correctly if I'm wrong, but we should even be able to kind of do some, maybe even a fly through around the site and the building at. I mean, the level I mean if you recall back to the interview, the level of moving it just wondering will be surpassed during the SD phase because we have to represent it in client section and elevation for the submission so all of the architects will fully understand and then we will also represented in 3D and allow you to move through the building so that maybe someone who's not an architect can fully appreciate the direction that we are going to go. So the answer is yes. I just want to, can I just follow up so we'd be seeing something like that in late August early September just in terms of some sense of when we would get that more visual. And if you don't know that's fine I just, you know, that's my question. You'll definitely see the start of drawings, they will be more fully developed toward the end of the process when you have to, you know, presented for cost estimating and further evaluation, but it does take some time to develop those. Yeah, so, so just really quickly on process through schematic design. I'm sure that we have the absolute best space relationships and adjacencies I think there are a couple of areas that we want to revisit, perhaps bringing music downstairs and stuff so our focus is going to be reaffirm everything that we have to do with PSR and then move it forward and well also as part of the initial phase and it might have to wait until September until staff is back is go through what we call room data sheets which will define everything that does occur and every classroom and every space. So that's sort of the first part while we're also modeling the building. I want to make sure we can hear you and you can hear us. Yes, thank you. Thank you. It looks like we lost Allison. So, Rupert. There we go. Okay, I'm muting. So, as I'm sure folks are aware I'm remain extremely concerned about how we get on off the site and how we make that as streamlined and safe as possible. And so I'm concerned, what kind of timeframe we have to brainstorm and come up with the broader solutions, given this very fast schedule. So when does site design come into play in terms of the egress and access. We're going to be doing a lot of things in tandem Rupert. We're going to even become closer during schematic design. We're going to be spending a lot of time together. We literally need to be addressing and and refining a lot of all all the different aspects of the project so we'll definitely want to have additional conversations with the town and you about traffic and whoever else but but we definitely want to make sure that that begins as soon as we start. So, now that we have a preferred solution. I think our consultants and us are going to take another look at it, make sure that we're meeting all of the requirements I think we'll even talk about parking and kind of test that a little bit more, and then we'll be back to you so now I guess maybe a general conversation or a general statement is after Monday. I think we're going to want to the design team is going to want to just look at everything one, one more time to make sure we're putting our best foot forward. Before we start getting into all of these conversations but I'm talking weeks right for a couple weeks so we will be jumping into that immediately. It will start immediately but I mean, do we have just three weeks to come up with whatever the final site solution is or three months and it can involve Rupert, all the way through schematic design. We have time to thoughtfully think through this. Thank you very much. Yeah, and I just want to emphasize that because it's town roads we really need to include our town engineer and superintendent public works in these discussions this is going to be critical for how we look at things and those two major intersections. I do want to recognize Mike Morris has joined Mike can you hear us in our can you hear us and can we hear you. Are you on maybe not quite yet. Allison you had your hand up a couple times did you have something you want to say or question. Um, I, I, I had some connection problems and I think my question was addressed by Rupert because I when I came back on I heard some discussion around the traffic situation. I was just wanting to, because I didn't hear that as a part of the plan because I know that it's outside of our project but I know that as soon as the school opens and the traffic starts to be an issue that will be a huge feedback loop that we will have to be managing so you know as much as we can handle before that time to try to create a situation for the opening of the school to go as smoothly as possible I think we'll be really appreciated. That's just my comment. Because I know that there was more said that well when I had connection issues so I'll try to go back on the video and make sure I catch that. That was the same type of question Rupert had which was, we need to start addressing this sooner than later and not wait till the school opens and then address it basically. Yeah, yeah I think that that's the same exact sentiment. Good. Thank you. And Mike are you hearing us at all. At this point. Yeah, yeah, my connections a little iffy so I'm going to keep my camera off unless it becomes a problem that it's off but that's fine. I'll turn it on I'm worried that I'm going to lose you. That sounds good. Thank you. Okay, any other questions at this phase or meeting. Phoebe. So not a question. I just got a text from somebody who's trying to watch this saying they can only see the speaker they can't see all of us is that the way we typically do it. It's just a setting on their own computer. They can if they go up to the view button on the top right typically you can see speaker or gallery. That's not something we control. Yeah, if they said it to gallery maybe they'll be able to see everyone. Okay, any other questions or comments from the committee. Okay. So, Margaret, back to you. Well, you know, I think the, the, the action that we, the building committee must take today is to authorize the consultant team to submit the preferred schematic report is does someone want to make a motion if there are no other questions about the report. I'm going to make a motion since I have delegated chair and is to fall today. I'm make a motion that we approve and sending the PSR report as presented to us to MSBA. Is there a second. Johnathan. Any discussion on the motion. Seeing none. I'll call we have to do a roll call vote on this motion. This is to send the PSR report to the MSBA as, as presented. So Kathy. Yes. Tammy. Yes. Rupert. Ben. Yes. Jonathan. Yes. Yes. Sean. Yes. Simone. We didn't hear you. Yes. Okay. Thank you. Alicia. Yes. Thank you. Allison. Yes. Mike. Yes. And Paul's a yes as a unanimous vote. Congratulations everybody and thank you to. Margaret and Donna and team for putting this enormous packet of material together. Is a milestone. Labor of love. Yes. Great work committee too. Yes, I want to thank the committee. It's been an amazing process. So, yes. Okay. So on to what happens on June 28. So I'm just going to pull the agenda back up quickly. As a reminder of what we wanted to talk about. And it seems like we will most likely be able to end early. Can everybody. I do it correctly. Yes, we can see that. Okay. So, you know, as I mentioned at the beginning, we want to set. The agenda for the meeting. Initially I'm by weekly meeting, which is not an easy thing to pull off in the summer. I think Kathy, we were going to try and stick with Fridays. For that. And we haven't. Donna and Tim are working on an outline. Like the one that we shared at the beginning of. The agenda for the meeting. So you'll have a sense of what's coming. But I think the immediate. Need for discussion today is that we're going to. Try to schedule a meeting for that with the net zero subcommittee. The week of July 5th, and then have a building committee meeting follow that. And that's a moment, the only day that's out for that week. Well, there's obviously the fourth and some of you may be taking. Vacations that week because of the holiday, but the fourth is out and the seventh is out because of a conflict Kathy has so we could do it either fifth, sixth or eighth. Is there anyone who cannot make any of those dates because that will help narrow it for the purposes of Donna, Tim and Rick coordinating with their consultants. Rupert. Yes, I, I think the fifth would be pretty tough for us. It's the first day of summer school. And so it's going to be all hands on deck trying to get kids in and buildings over. Okay, that's, that's a fair point. Kathy, I saw your hand up. I was just saying I could not make that week at all. Okay. Any other conflicts. Alicia, Alicia's hand. Um, yeah, sorry, I have the same conflict just for the July 5th, like all of my kids are also starting summer camp or summer school that day. So it might be a little bit busy and then the other dates are all fine, but I have like a firm 10 o'clock cut off. Okay. So it sounds like. For me it's July 6 does not work. Six. So I think that's leaves the eighth. So Donna and Tim, I think your task would be to check with your consultants and see if we, they could do a meeting and 830 meeting on the eighth. And if not, we'll have to look towards the next week. Yeah, it looks like Simone is not available on the eighth. So, so let's maybe we do a doodle poll or whatever they're called for the following week or something like that. I just, I have one question. I was trying to take a who couldn't make it the, the concept of the net zero meeting would be the subcommittee would meet for an hour and a half, and then the full committee would meet for a recommendation about round source so the full committee wouldn't have to meet for the entire time period so I don't know whether that changes people's view of the fifth or this maybe the six, and I'm sorry that the seventh is just I have as those so you can see I've got one eye done and the other eye gets done. Well, the thing that I heard is that Elisha has a hard stop at 10 and I suspect for many others. I think that's going to be hard to tag in these two meetings on top of each other that we should separate them. Yeah, I was just going to suggest we, we, we can certainly incorporate the net zero recommendation at the next building committee meeting like. Donna if we separate them it sounded like the six would meet the subcommittee is Jonathan Rupert, Ben, Kathy, and then anyone else, anyone else is welcome to join for that discussion. So that would get in does the six work for Simone. And it appears he was out on the eighth so now we're, we've already shot. Thornton Thomas said he an email just to confirm that they're okay so let's let's try for that at least I don't want to take more time during this meeting and then if that doesn't work we'll send out alternative dates. And then I think what I'd recommend and we had discussed preliminarily was having the next building committee meeting on the 15th, which is two weeks. It would be the week after. Yeah, the first. Yeah, it's the Friday of the second week of July so. And then we'll, that will be the start off to these by bi-weekly meetings and we'll be able to bring you an agenda for them at that meeting. Perfect. Did we decide on a we didn't decide on a time right for July 6, or are we saying 830. Well, you know, if 830. We're at a smaller group on us so people can say whether they're flexible and times I mean that's been a good time but I don't know. Yeah, so that's okay we can we can do that offline I just will just make sure we'll find out what times that our consultants are available that day. Okay, so meet on the this group will meet on the 15th and then Donna do you want to talk a little bit about visits to schools and what you had in mind. Sure. Again timing is everything right so our goal would be to visit schools with whenever we'd like to attend. We want to talk to Mike Mars a little bit about if there's any staff, particular staff that would be meaningful for them to also visit and I recognize it's summer. So, again, MSBA guidelines and timing is is everything, but we have identified three schools to visit one is the Mariah Hastings School in Lexington. It's a little bit larger it's 645 students but it's about the same it has very similar design concepts. As far as organization of classrooms and layouts and things like that is a beautiful site it just coincidentally is a utilizes ground source for their heating so that's just coincidental but the Mariah Hastings was one that's in Lexington. Another one that we have not been to we're really excited to see is the, the field school right not the fails I get them backwards the field school and shoes very, I believe, is where it's located and that is a Lama Rupagano architects project and they seem to have some pretty beautiful features in their school. And so, again, it would be great to visit that one and I'm actually drawing a building. The third school. Oh, the Sunita Williams thank you and need them, which actually coincidentally has a lot of similar characteristics in the site as Fort River does, and it also has wonderful outdoor classroom areas and learning areas and an ampute theater and that to that's designed by John Whittier architects, not our school. So, those the three that we've identified as totally different. They're getting you know you're probably going to like certain aspects of each one which is great that's why we're doing this, but we would love to do that as well. In July, just just so we can use that as a basis as we continue or, or begin the design process and the exterior materials as well are different at all three schools so so they're they're all three totally different schools, and it would be wonderful to have folks attend. And if there's other schools that you guys think of, you know, let us know where we're absolutely would love to hear. Mike, you have your hand up. Yeah, so where you think thank you so much, John, are you thinking of these as being like a one day three school visit given the proximity and eastern mass to each other I know they're not around the corner but are you thinking of multiple days because that would probably affect people's capacity to go so I don't know if you thought through that it's okay if you don't have an answer now it's just one of the things when I asked folks oh yeah July trip. Eastern mass, you know, it sometimes can, you know, I get a little more bang for the buck at least if I get two schools in today versus three so just something to consider again not something I need an immediate response. No, that's fine I can I can certainly respond it absolutely makes sense to go to the Senita Williams and need them and the Hastings like you're almost literally driving by one to get to the others so that those two would definitely make sense to do. I would say, and we could, we could certainly go to Shoesbury to I'm, I'd have to get my geography right but so that's by Worcester, you can sort of go through that to get to. So, so that would be fine. So three, your brain starts going to motion you don't recall and you think you do but even taking pictures so we would love to organize all three and one day we would stop we would have lunch like we and just make a day of it. So, just as a note the library bit committee just did this same thing where we did to work out fine. Jonathan. I'm very interested in going on this tour. I'm just wondering for all purposes is there. If or if there are seven of us on this tour to become a moving public meeting. Are there other things that we need to, and not that we have to discuss them today but are there rules that we have to follow. There, you can do this through a site visit. That's permissible under the meeting law. Great. The more folks that we can and you know, they're pros and cons we recognize it's summer so which is really challenging to get some staff to come because I think we'll have more than seven will probably have a little large group joining us but school won't be in session except for maybe a camp or something so that will make it easier and getting permission to go through the schools. The cons side of that is the schools won't be in session so you won't be able to see and hear the noise and the interaction students but you know so it should be fine. Nothing. I totally encourage anybody who can to go on these I've seen two so I want to go on them again so I can see them again but the two of the schools have some amazing murals in them. They bring when you come into them just bring the school to life and we potentially have approved set a piece of money for commissioning public art. And, and two of them actually have some really interesting outsource outdoor gardens that are almost like sculptures you know so it's both the school side of it and some other sides of it and they're the one. So I've been to two of them, not the third in terms of trying to think of the variation so it's a nice choice of the three because they are the two I've seen are really different from each other and the third sounds different from the first two so it's it's terrific that they're. So, so Donna, you will be trying to schedule things and then offer some dates out to the committee will just sort of see. Pick the date that most people we're not we're not going to get a date that everybody go. So we'll get a date that the most people can go and we can, you know, in the past we have van that we can use or something like that to make facilitate transportation from the town. Yeah, great. I think I'll probably just start with Mike just recognizing his staff is on vacation but yeah true. That's good. Can we just go back to the previous agenda item, I wasn't clear on what we decided on meetings going forward. I know we set the July 15 is our next elementary school building committee meeting. And then after that because I'm scheduling things on Fridays and I'm needed. I would like to prioritize this meeting. You said twice a month meeting or every other week meeting or what twice twice a month and Paul, I can send you the list of dates that I've outlined that Donna and Tim and Rick are programming. Can we just say them so everybody can hear some right now. Yeah. Hang on. Let me just a second. And if you have that closer to hand. I put it in an email. This may take a minute so. Okay. So I also think Margaret maybe if you have it if you send it out to everyone right after this meeting if you can't pull it up now on. I want to book it on my calendar so I didn't know whether I should set this up starting with July 15. Should I just do every two weeks or not or there's some weeks. I'm just skipping because it's a Labor Day weekend or something, you know, or it's Thanksgiving or. Yeah, the schedule that I established was set up to skip the holidays. While you're doing that I'm going to ask Sean if there are any invoices that we need to review. So I don't think so unless Margaret Donna know of one I'm not in the office so I don't have them handy but the last one we have from answers for may. I thought we did that the last meeting but I could be wrong. Margaret do you remember. No invoices we have to do. Okay. So maybe I'll move to well while you're looking for that will move to public comment. This is time for residents we have two, four, six, eight people in the audience. If anybody would like to make a public comment, we can recognize you up to three minutes and the first person is Chris riddle. Oops. So Chris you're on if you want to unmute yourself. Chris we can't really hear you. Can't hear me at all. Now we can. Okay. Talk into your microphone. We're going to talk about a schedule for the net zero committee. My question is conceptual. Is the basis of design. Can we change anything in the basis of design during the zero committee meetings can the net zero subcommittee recommend changes to anything in the basis of design. That's a question. And then another one has to do with a net zero bylaw or the zero energy bylaw. There I've mentioned this two or three times and I haven't gotten an answer on it. There's a requirement for an agreed upon energy budget. We in the, when creating the bylaw was thinking of more than just established you, you why. What is, what is the, what is the, what does the committee, the building committee plan to do about the energy budget. It has to be the benchmark that the, that we, we use as the basis of deciding whether the given building complies with the bylaw or not. That's one of the variables that we have to establish in order to determine compliance with the net zero bylaw. Another is peer review. There is a peer review process that's required. That's ways down the road but has the building committee thought about that and how will that work, or maybe is that already part of the contractual process that is that I don't know about. We have a particular question. Having to do with with the choice of the ground source forces air source. It can the do we have any information on whether the groundwater is static or moving. And because that would affect whether or not this thing is going to get too cold, the sub subgrade conditions will get too cold during the, which says. It took over during the winter. Those are my questions. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Chris. You know, Chris, if you could put that in writing to, to Kathy so we can have those that'll, those will be some things that we, the net zero committee can address at their meeting. Rudy. Thanks. Can you hear me Rudy. Yes, we can. I could not find the draft PS are posted in the packet materials for this meeting, which made it impossible to look through comment on. So wasn't really happy about that but can I at least asked that that be posted soon because that material is going to be useful in thinking about the net zero subcommittee meeting coming up. Particularly the sustainability materials which apparently are new, and it'd be helpful to see what kind of, if there have been changes in the building structural systems major building systems the building plans and stuff. That will all really inform the discussion for the net zero committee so is it is the plan to post this very soon so that you know we have time to look through these documents. Yes, the answer is yes to that question and probably should have been posted before, but it didn't, but so make sure that gets posted forth with great thanks. Yeah, thank you. Do you want to unmute yourself. Oops. Did we lose my lane. Hello, my name is me. I live at 497 East Pleasant Street. Wildwood was my neighborhood school. Once I was in fifth grade, I'd start my day with a walk to school with my childhood best friend. We would talk as we walked past the weathered headstones nestled in the spring trees of wildwood cemetery. As I continued that walk down the hill to the middle school and with the help of the PVTA down the street to the high school. It was also during that time that I began to feel a stark contrast with my peers, due to our differences in socio economic status. After tracking I found myself in classes where I was surrounded mostly by white peers who were significantly more affluent than me. I found it difficult to relate to their conversations about skiing or the college tours that their parents had brought them to, knowing that these were experiences that my family could not afford. Yet I maintain that I still belong to these classes because of the connection had made to arps, a connection that have begun with walks. I literally continued that walk when I pursued my degree at UMass Amherst where I graduated in the 10% of my class studying sociology and education policy, and also became the first in my family to hold a bachelor's degree. My passion for learning about education and equity led me to a career and financial aid where I'm currently working as a financial aid counselor at Holio Community College, which is also my mother's alma matter. I could embark on this educational journey because I could take those walks because my mom, when she was a single mother at 18 was offered a subsidized apartment at Village Park. Although I felt small walking past those beautiful homes that bordered Wildwood with their sprawling driveways and gardens and their casually placed grand pianos that could be seen from the side. I still felt like those schools were part of my community. A community where we shared apartment buildings and parking lots. A community where I'd see my mother and her friends are neighbors playing cards outside after a long day of work, why go off to play ding dong ditch with my friends. It is for this reason I want to express my whole heart and support to the committee's decision to select Fort River at the site for the new school building, given its proximity to colonial village apartments and the E Street affordable housing project. We often talk about how diverse this town's population is. However, given a diverse, even within a diverse community, there can be a two tiered system within our schools which can extend out into the community as well. What would it mean for the community as a whole when we build a brand new school building, one that I am very excited for right next to a community of families who rent. What connections will be forged with the school community. And while I see while the kids I see playing in Village Park today may not be able to walk to the elementary school that neighborhood is still walkable to both the middle school and the high school and can still offer opportunities for connection. The Wildwood site has a lot to offer and I did experience multiple benefits from campus adjacencies when I was a student. Before I was walking to Wildwood, I was walking past it with my peers in daycare as we watch the construction of the wooden playground with its high castle peaks, which I will say that the playground was amazing in its prime. The site is beautiful and I enjoyed playing with the surrounding greenery while I was at daycare and at Wildwood. I want to extend my support to the suggestion of using the site for early education. Thank you for all of your work and I look forward to watching as this project continues. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks for joining us. Any other public comments anybody would like to make at this point. Maria Kapicki, you can if you can unmute you have three minutes. Yeah, I'm here, thanks. So, I was wondering that this meeting that's going to happen for the net zero subcommittee next week, or the week after I guess the is there any additional information beyond what's already been presented and what's in the PSR packet that the net zero subcommittee is going to be using to make recommendations about ground versus air source. And if there is, could that get posted as soon as possible because that's a topic of great interest to the community so be nice to be able to review that ahead of time. Great, great. Thank you for your comment. Is there anybody else who'd like to make a public comment. Seeing none. Now we'll go back to Margaret you were looking at this did you ever find them. Yeah, I have. I'm going to pull up the schedule so okay. Again, this is, this is mostly blank. But this was the proposal. So, the, here's what this is this reflects every Friday between now and the beginning of January. So the gray is would be if we start on the 15th. This would be the biweekly meeting so which isn't to say there might not be meetings under in between so here on the third. We would be able to bring to the committee, the net zero discussion and we are proposing that there be a decision by the committee on ground source versus air source at that meeting. As a proposal on the 29th the end of July. I would make a presentation about the construction delivery alternatives, and then the rest of this is for. In this go to program. The estimates would be going to the cost estimators and early November, as I mentioned previously. And so, there and obviously that we're not going to meet the week of Thanksgiving. So there's a sort of little bit of wobbliness and hear about what meetings we will set in November. And by the beginning of December, we would have the cost estimates. By mid December, we would need to be reviewing the schematic design submission. And then, in all likelihood the first week of January, had taking a vote to submit schematic design. So, I really want to bring this back with Dennis goes input, but this is, this was the starting point of our brief discussion about it a couple of weeks ago. So, that's helpful. I mean one note, November 11 as a holiday. Yeah, to change it but if you could once you, you and didn't go figure out what the timing and, and I love having the little sort of synopsis of what's going to happen on the meeting date with the goal is. Yeah, I'll just shut that out with the committee members that'd be helpful. Yeah. Mike, you have your hand up. Yeah, just briefly. January 63 Kings Day, which is a day on celebrated. So, I mean, there's lots of little details we can sort out just in terms of people watching it, you know, just wanted to know that as well. No, this is it. This is a work in progress. Yeah. Okay, but it sort of shows you conceptually what it is we'll bring back to you. Okay, I don't consider these dates set in stone at this point at all it's just, but by the time, by the time we meet on the 15th, we'll have something confirmed. So what you're planning, we can start to pencil this in right. Yeah, except I, again, as, as Margaret said, we just want to be mindful that we don't have MSBAs deadline yet, and they are trying to pay a little more attention to school vacation breaks but we could be having more information that we have to vote in this end of December to submit it which they they've done that before. So, so we'll refine this as we get more information. Okay. So those are, I think we've accomplished everything, Margaret that we wanted to and Kathy on the agenda. I think we had some really good public comments about materials for the next meeting on this sixth for the net zero committee for material and getting that agenda to get the material up in advance we've been requested. To get the PSR setup that we reviewed today, as soon as possible, and put in post site into the meeting packet. Is there anything else, any business not anticipated. Anything else anybody wants to say at this point. Kathy, I just want to give a big thanks to the team that pulled together the documents and to the extent they weren't posted it's probably because I wasn't clear when I, it was a Google link to doc. So we can get them posted today. It is there now. It is there now. Yeah. Okay. Is where now where is it. So it's in the packet. Okay, preferred schematic report that it's a, it's a draft it says final but it's a draft is in the packet for on the cities on the town's website. Thank you for this meeting. Perfect. So I just wanted to say thank you and to the extent it didn't get posted. Immediately, it was partly because as everyone can see I had my surgery done so I didn't double check but it's been just terrific working with you all and seeing the volume of work that went in since we voted the preferred solution, I thank you very much. So I just wanted to give a thanks because a lot of work went into what we just saw. Yes, it did. And I just, it did say draft or should it didn't say draft it should say draft there is just a couple of minor wording that we're going to incorporate with the final just just to daughter eyes and cross RTS with MSBA so. Okay. And with that, our next meeting net zero committee meets on July 6 at 830, I believe, and then this meeting will meet again on July 15 at 830, all via zoom at that point in time. Yeah, I think we still need to confirm the net zero meeting with the consultants. Okay, fair enough. And these we just under the we're allowed to meet via zoom exclusively via zoom until July 15 until the legislature acts. After that point we will be in person with we can have remote participation we anticipate the legislature will act but they haven't at this point in time so just people should be alert to that. So, okay, with that, we'll call the meeting adjourned. Thank you everybody. Have a good week. Thanks, Paul.