 Joining us to discuss is Tatiana Footsaver, who is a partner at Hydric and Struggles. Tatiana, thank you so much indeed for joining us. Joining us from Warsaw as well. Obviously an absolute pivotal city in the support story for Ukraine. Tatiana, I've been to two conferences recently. One was in London about the recovery conference and about how the money comes forward with the private sector for Ukraine. The second was about the military support coming just come back from Vilnius as well. I thought they were interlinked in many, many ways. And the former, what seemed very, very clear, is that the private sector needs some statewide assurances, insurances in order to reinvest in this war-torn country. Good morning to you. Good morning. Good morning. Thanks for having me here. And yes, it was a lot of positive signals at this London conference. We are waiting for some military insurance from MIGA. We're waiting for some private money from different institutions and back to, back by Black Rocks, with the United Ukrainian Development Fund for this purpose. We're full of hope from this conference. Yeah, and my problem is hope over substance in some ways, Tatiana, because I looked at the Ukrainian recovery plan. I read in some great detail about it. And I've got to say, a lot of the recovery stages are based upon the end of the war. And at the moment, having come back from the second conference in Vilnius, I can't see how this war can end anytime soon. So then Ergo, despite all the best will in the world, a vast amount of investment will be on hold until we get that scenario. I just don't know how we get over that. Yeah, it's absolutely true. Absolutely right. We need money now. We shouldn't wait till war will end because our economy not survives till the end of the war. And a very good example, our own Ukrainian companies, they're not waiting till the end of the war. They're investing to new products, new sectors. We have new sectors in Ukraine, military tech, for example. They are going abroad. They are actively working. 90% of companies in Ukraine are actively working. They are not put on hold for their operation, not withdrawn from Ukraine. It's really positive signals for future investors. Tatiana, what jumps out to me after all the conversations I've had with various different CEOs from Ukraine and officials is that there is such huge resilience. If operations are disrupted, then companies work very quickly to get those operations back up and running again. What have we learned about business continuity and a crisis as a result of this? It's absolutely true. From the early beginning of the war, it was first stopped and then it was transitioned to the action. We talked to CEOs from different sectors. We learned and understand how they operate, how they survive. In this very difficult consensus, you see that ports are blocked. Part of infrastructure is destroyed. 40% of energy infrastructure is destroyed. Territories are occupied, but they are working and operating and even launching new businesses. We talked to the CEOs from different sectors. We learned and found some insights. I'm happy to share with you. It's really the first priority for all of them. It puts people first, saves their life. It's social responsibility like in a practical way. Then they make very high-speed decisions. Better to make decisions, that's not to make decisions. You will not have enough information. A quick decision really actually saves lives. They got extended power from their headquarters, shareholders because they understand the situation from the ground and they can operate quickly. Very interesting fact that cooperation became more important. We are not competitors. We are Ukrainians. One CEO asked because they ensure a continuity of business. Tatiana, let me ask you a different question. What we've seen from western companies operating in the region very different responses about how quickly they were pulling out of Russia for instance early on, some within a matter of months, others trying over several months and even others still operating on the ground today. I think international consumers have felt very awkward about the pairing of some western companies still in Russia but then those who have handed over their business have done so at very large discounts which has effectively lined the pockets of some Russians. I'll cite an example, Starbucks which has operations in Russia handing them over to a local Russian and it's now called something fairly similar, Star Coffee and it was sold at a huge discount. What is the right strategy here to wash up in terms of how you extract from a country when there's a crisis unfolding? We are pushing this company. We put in a priority to tell around the world that this company should withdraw their operation in Russia and this company is under function in Ukraine. Tatiana, just a very quick final question. Part of your company's remit is on demand talent solutions as well. There are over 7 million people who have had to emigrate forcefully. Refugees across Europe, 18% of the population as of the latest stats I'm looking at. Is it a struggle to find people who are wanting to stay in Ukraine, go back to Ukraine, want to or can work in Ukraine given this enormous refugee crisis? It's a huge priority for our government to attract this workforce to Ukraine. We will not rebuild Ukraine without these workforces and we will do a lot to attract high-level professionals like we are working with top managers but also blue-collars because we need this workforce to rebuild our country. Tatiana, thank you very much for joining us today. Tatiana Furkseva with us, partner at Hydrik and Struggles.