 What's up everybody? Welcome to SPM Buzz. My name is Liz Jackson and I'm back again with another interesting interview. I have two gentlemen with me but I'm going to let them introduce themselves. But I'm going to let them introduce themselves and then we proceed. What's up guys? It's Mr. T. Kijana Tarimstana Shati. Wana Nistrema Kini Cheki Wana Scream. Hey, okay. I'm a charter producer. It's in a lens case but... Alright, so what we're going to do are from hits. We're going to do hit songs. But we're going to do it for people who probably see your music out there and they don't really know whether you guys are a group or you guys come as a duo. We're going to say, are you guys a duo or how do you work together? Okay, personally, I'm a separate individual. I'm a group manager. We are people from the same area, same school, we grow up in the same neighbourhood. So I work with my bros but I'm a separate group. Okay. Umesema specifically, you're a producer. So for how long have you been doing this? I've been doing it for 4 years now. Ah, 4 years. Okay. Most of the time, people do not give attention to the man behind the beat or the producer. So for you, Umesema, for these 4 years that you've been working, ni producer mga ni huyo, give us to Kenyan producers when you na fikiri wana fanya job poa? I think motif. Motif a kuju. Then... kuna mini underground stars you come to me. Muta jum, umpe hewa umpe ea? Ito a Devi. A Devi ha. Devi tu tampata wabi? Devi na zumpata, itu itu masters. Ya, toko apu. Okay. So let's talk about your music called Jadi. Mi mi acha nisi danga, ni mi kujua tu kijuzi juzi tu but toambie mi stati ali anza aje, uli anza kuimba wukiwa high school ama when exactly did you feel that this is something you wanted to pursue? Okay. So music, aiko waki tutulikwa na taka kupasiu at first, I think ni cha cha pekendo ali kwa na yo ambition. Mi personali nil kwa na fanya tukuyu jibamba pale high school, digi tuli andika tukiyo high school. Tutulikwa tutunandika kujinais at tukudu na joa inga explore diva vene li kuwa. So to carry release I think 3 months ago na apundu musical jani 8-18 kili anza. Yo ndu uli kuwa first song. What year was that when you wrote digi? 2018. 2018 ya. 2018. Uka weka angoma, uka weka angoma, uka utole atili. Ya ni uka tunima raha, uka itwa 3 months ago. But let me ask, so when you wrote the song that's in 2018, that's like I think 5-6 years. So what made you feel that this was the right time to release the song? Imagine vene tunima kumbe ya, si kwa na yo aspirations ya kwa msa ni. Nili actually tuli release, yo 2018 bado tukiyo high school, bato li postu Instagram peke. Na waso yo alibambika na yo, but atukua that interested with it. So CG atani li fanyika tukakua that serious. Vene tunilanda kurekod, the song iletu kurekod kukip kip tracks. Umenyali turekod was like ayingoma nika, nika alim na faku itwa. Sandu tuka desa yadu kia wachatu, tuia kia pohenji alafu, kila kituka kwa vene ikosa. So let's talk about when the song went viral. It's normally like a good feeling kwa msa ni because you've put so much work into that. So did you feel the pressure to release a second song? Pressure eko excess, especially physically fit. Kus wu jivele ma fans ote ichiko, wu jika ote ipenda, kila kituna nandika sayna fako perfect, kus a lot of people are waiting for naja fako kwa yo dan foliako, kila msa ipiana takaku juna fanyani ni next. So the pressure was there and now bad do you go till now. Chacha, ebutu ambe kwa hisi song zmbili physically fit na digi, kontribusionia kwa ilu kwa gani? Kwa digi, digi the mixing and mastering of the vocals, then pure physically kwa fanya mixing and mastering of the vocals. So I'm usually at the final version yung omsa arrangement of the vocals, kila kitu. Kwa kwa ebutu ambe Mr. T as an artist and you as the guy up o kwa production. Udeza sema is hi nimsani ako aje, nimsani ako chap chap, ama na chelewanga studio, how is Mr. T? Ako chap chap, katiana takaku but tia kofiti, ako na iyo vision, ako na ideas, ako na motivation, api inu anash motivating piece to jupush. So kia na mse ako evo mentally, kuna, venye pihuta takaku aka eona get so you'll just push yourself. So I think that's a good deal going about things. Mr. T, this one artist that I told Nini, he had come and said that he does not appreciate how what was abandoned, wana tumia beads, before au lise and for you, before you use a beat, what is the procedure that you follow? Ama watu unatoa tuku jibamba? Okay, your statement, Nini, nisi wrong because personally, inu jaka ngo mania mse ako na iyo right but snona venye nimi kumbia digi evo tuli toa for fun, atuku expect ikwe what it is as of now. So naka physically, actually physically beat see yangu but tuli enda tu kongena producer tu kagri on terms, tu kagri, tu kalipa, licensia beat and everything. So as of now, tuko way much more serious na bile tu na handle isoma beats ndio, isoma copyrights, nisi kuja badai. I think that's good progressive view, guys are actually like, paying for the license and asking for permission, and probably tuniza takaku jua. This whole abandoned wave, we remember like five years ago kukulikuwa nga na gengeton, enye kidogo, nikama haiku survive, but now there's this new abandoned wave enye kila metua na penda. So is it a genre that you feel is sustainable? Itaka? I mean on itaka, kus haiku anza juicy. Me, actually ndo tuli ko nongia, I think nima ina alia ndisha yi staf ki jokes 2 years ago kuma quarantine with his first songs, na zile zene zile ndile kukam. They think nda tipsi waka kama kai piai oji na, iyo abantun sasa. So personally ndo nani kituli ndza kitambo, na bile majami ikanzo na kungana ma jami ikan readim, unapata kuna babulgam readim, unapata kuna ma beats ndi kibao, wote wana tumia ku promote industriya. So personally ndo na na zene me waku idwa abantun katsu me tipsi kina spoiler, kina sosa. Wote waku readiku take it to another level. So, meno niko sustainable. Na, e. Yeah, nda lea. So how is the industry, yoya abantun, nini kina copy, gudi nini, how is your relationship? Adengi, resi piko fiti. Um. Pona niku pati na ideas kinamto na sideiana. So it's a good community. Sezukata. Okay. And um, let's talk about a management ko zuna patanga in Kenya, management siki to wasaniwa wana take seriously, which is something very important. So for you as an individual, what are the steps that you have made to ensure that pali kwa management wana sidei. An extra brain na kusadia in terms of making money. So for you, what have you done? Me, nimi nimi chikuwa steps bili. Ya kwanza ni since niku new in the industry, seziku jana kere re mingi. So na naka one of my managers, anitom Turu, he's actually way older than me. So unapata anajua maisha sana, anajua kudil the business side, anajua kumgea mo, anajua ku interact. Nawa say, on another different level nye, miba dosiezi ko I'm still a little bit yana zanimu na elia. Na unapata tukona wa say, kama deluichi, wana tu saidi ya, wana tu guide kwa industry, na piya wana tu advise apa na pali with some wise choices. So wana tu guide na minona tukosa. Ya. To kiyongelelia promotion yangoma, to be quite honest pali tiktok muna patasapot, from the girls, let's be honest. How does it make you feel kuna unamka subui lazima tu patem tu ametumia soundia ko, like lazima. Is that a humbling experience for you? Aksil unas kia poa, minamka tu kila subuna smile tu, le konas kia nikadunia nia ko. It's such a nice thing to appreciate your music, people are actually dancing to it. It's such a humbling experience, na na feel tu poa. Chacha, kuna kitutungetaka tuongelelia. About five years ago, we had a very big producer, na ito ama Jix Enga. But he had produced, I think very many big songs in Kenya. So wneza saima, kama producer, ama took generally kamamsani. What do you feel keeps you grounded? Wneza kuna wasani wana kujanga, wana potea, wana disapia, alaftena wana kuja wachangiwe, nama pay bill. So, wnewa kama and adachani kuite you in the entertainment industry, what are you thinking of doing differently? You weza kuji sustain? Isi fike mahali tena, tunapatana nacha chana, pay bill pale, ali rudi hocha? I think I think for me na wana ga most wana ga lianga the present, wana ga liangi future. So, uksha jipanga future ako before present, wana za jua ekifanika, takuana e ekifanika, takuana e. So I think niku jipanga too, as in don't think about the present too much, also think about the future. Ovesku takuana downfall iso staff. And also I think knowledge is more important than earning money. Uksha pata knowledge, I think wneza nambali. Even though she truly agree. Hey, wise men, you guys are wise men. Tuki malizi ane za takaku jua apart from this genre, umetrai ku reach out to wasani wengine probably jua collaboration wasani anya wa fani up until? Kama digi remix ikona ane jire na artist. So definitely on him so afro. Allah fukuna dimane itua moras jiku memoan. Aino mora? Tukona up coming songs na kujasi watatutu mewa konit. Allah fukuna wneza mingine ku elio. Na munga mukadinali. Tukona gomen itua wrong ni drill. So tukokilapa ali. Tukokilapa ali. Okay. Waluwani wana takaku waonam kipafon. Munkona show iwi karibuni utu plagapo. Munkona show? Munkona show Friday Palemaxi mneza tukia. Kaumol kujeni kujeni. Alright. Thank you so much for talking to S.P.M.Baz. I really appreciate your time. But before to close, na takamuwache Sushumedia Handles enyu mahali watoneza aparta. Plag mabiashara. Takamuwona biashara yakuza soks. Plagapo sayi sayi. So utani pattern all handles at wusa sereniti wwo h alafu sereniti. Azi wwo sah alafu sereniti. Nice producer that we care for. Mutun but church is grom IG and it is master IG pair. Alright guys so speaking to Mr. T. and Chacha hope you guys have enjoyed this interview until next time. See you on the next one. Thank you.