 You're taking away from you could have not taken the discount well 30 dollars is a lot of money You didn't feel $30 bad. You know, I could have I mean I yeah You need to go do a big box start because Best Buy does it I stopped going to Best Buy for like almost eight years And then I found out that they'll like price match on Amazon Even when Amazon does they're like weekend special where something's like discounted 50% like aha. Yep I've done that at Best Buy too. Aha Aha, all right you guys ready Sure Are you sure? Can we just talk more about Disneyland? It is it is fun. It's just my world after all All right, here we go three two And Nikola show keeps you in the know if you'd like to find out more Please go to daily tech news show comm slash support and find out how to keep us on the air This is the daily tech news from Monday, September 11th, 2017. I'm Tom Marit and joining me Ms. Veronica Belmont is back. Yay It's been two weeks. I know it's good to have you here. Roger Chang our producer is alongside as well. I am alongside He's a web browser. I don't know if you guys knew that. Yeah, he is And and so many so many more things that keep the show running We're going to talk a little bit about the controversy. We're gonna teach you the controversy Veronica Are you ready? I'm ready about whether Mac rumors in nine to five Mac should have reported on things that they knew Regarding the Apple rumors. We're gonna tell you about the Apple rumors in a little bit Then we're gonna talk about the whole fury. I don't know fury fury might be overstating it But like is it a spoiler to report leaks? That's kind of what we're after anyway Let's start with a few tech things you should know The Wall Street Journal's Chao Deng reports that the People's Bank of China drafted instructions that would ban Domestic virtual currency exchanges China will not ban people from investing in cryptocurrencies They're not making it illegal to buy a Bitcoin. They're only saying you can't run an exchange You can't use use it for commercial trading. So they're limiting what you can do with it. I wonder Yeah, I guess I even need to read into that. I'm curious to hear more about that Google is partnering with you break I fix to offer free repair to Google Pixel phones damaged as a result of Hurricane Harvey The offer runs through September 30th at 7 Houston area locations. It's a cool partnership It sounds like Google's foot in the bill basically and this is a local chain of computer repair phone repair shops Mostly in suburban Houston But they there's they're striking a deal say hey you can you got water damage that broke You know, it's not covered on your warranty because the pixels not waterproof Come on in we'll take care of it. That's great. Yeah Consumers noticed that pins sent to customers to set up a credit freeze with Equifax We're based on the date and time The pins were based on the date and time of the customer's request. So of course Knowing when people were generally putting in the request you could brute force any of these Equifax told ours Technica it is switching to randomly generated pins within the next 24 hours Oh, you mean randomly generated pins like the rest of the known tech world uses. Yes, what you should totally Right, well, we'll talk a little bit more about Equifax a little bit later, too They did have to well They did say that they are not Applying their terms of service to people who are affected by the cyber security incident Although I'd feel more comfortable about that if they put it in their terms of service However, the fact that they're saying it publicly probably means that they will prosecute people Here are some other top stories. Here's that leak a leaked link was given to many outlets It was even supposedly published on reddit for a while 9 to 5 Mac and Mac rumors were able to access a gold master of iOS 11 from Apple servers So this was directly from Apple and the gold master has the actual names of things usually in it Because this is the one that's going to be put on the production phones Developer Steve Trout and Smith dug into the d-22 device tree which indicates new iPhones to be announced tomorrow Would be called the iPhone X the iPhone 8 and the iPhone 8 plus iPhone 8 models show a faster processor wireless charging any new glass back panel the iPhone X or maybe 10 Would seem to have a bezel less 5.8 inch OLED screen six core a11 chip wireless charging facial ID Something called an emojis that works with facial recognition No home button doesn't sound as fun or touch ID Faced unlocked. There's also a 4k Apple TV and an Apple watch with LTE that can use your phone's number We'll find out from the Apple announcement tomorrow Tuesday if this is actually a real gold master or a cleverly designed Deploy to trick blogs and to publish in this it's I have to say all these details sound like they probably are going to be true And even if they were guessed they're pretty some of these are pretty easy to guess Yeah based on previous information No, a lot of this stuff really just backs up previous estimates or leaks or reports from people like Ming-Chi Quo or Mark German So I can't believe it's already tomorrow like there's been so much going on in the world that like I mean Apple's been the last thing on my mind, but I am I am excited to see what they announce I'm ready for a new phone. I'm looking forward to it. Are you still excited? We'll talk about that AF TV news says it has sources who say Amazon will release two new fire TV models later this year One will be a square fire TV stick and the other a regular box That has Amazon voice services far field microphones and speaker built-in both will support 4k and HDR So it's basically an Amazon echo for for your television because it's gonna have the speaker So even when your television is off, you can ask it questions and tell the voice services assistant to do things And and then also use it when you've got the fire TV on you can tell it to turn on your TV You can tell it to change channels or change apps I I think this is an obvious move for Amazon to marry Essentially an echo in a fire TV. I think that the That that new body shape that square or cubed shape looks really nice Oh, yeah, the the sort of I don't know if is it rounded. I don't know. It's hard to tell. Yeah Yeah, that's kind of where that's kind of where the the the new boxy boxes have been going with these little sort of rounded edges It's very much like the Ooya. Oh Was it? Yeah, I do remember that. Oh, yeah. I have one of those somewhere. I mean, I'm sorry. I meant Yeah Hey, this one actually applies to your day job Microsoft is rolling out guest access for Microsoft teams for all office 365 business and education commissioners customers Anyone with an Azure Active Directory account can be added as a guest in teams now And they're gonna roll out the ability to add anyone with a Microsoft account in the next few weeks It's great That's great for people like contractors or or other people who are working with a large organization that need guest Access and Slack has done a really good job of that in the past So I knew it was only a matter of time for for teams to add something like that. Yeah, and it's keeping pace It is it is a little weird that you can't just do guest access that you have to create a Microsoft account Yeah, even right now only Azure Active Directory accounts It is weird that is a weird but not that weird kind of an old Microsoft. Yeah, it's very old Microsoft Not the new Microsoft way of doing things. I'm not surprised. I'm just a little disappointed That's what I guess I should say Joe me announced the six inch me max me mix. Sorry me mix to with a snapjack It's so cute. I had to do I'm sorry me mix to with a snap drag an 835 processor and six gigabytes of RAM starting at 300 and sorry 3299 rmb that's around 506 us dollars up to 4699 rmb that's US $720 Xiaomi also launched the 5.5 inch mean note 3 with snapdragon 660 processor and 6 gigabytes of RAM ranging from 2499 rmb up to 2999 rmb that's about $460 Xiaomi also launched a new 15.6 inch windows laptop the mean notebook pro it will sell for 6,399 Chinese Yuan That's around 980. Yeah, it's less than a thousand bucks The me mix to if you really want to get a good look at it Marques Brownlee has an excellent review of it up on his channel on YouTube And the the point of it is that it's a tiny bit smaller screen than the me mix Original, but it's also got smaller bezels. So it's almost the same size screen and it's a lot easier to hold on to They've also fixed a couple of other cool things with it Before they had the speaker under the ceramics to save space and it was kind of muffled so they fixed that it's now out And it's just it's a really nice looking phone Again, it's gonna be on sale in China and India and places. Xiaomi sells its phones now It's not gonna be available in the US But you can get an unlocked one and have it shipped to you and then just put a SIM card in it if you really really loved it Yeah, it's good looking phone looks a bit like a fingerprint magnet on the back there, but what isn't these days? Yeah, I You know, I I don't know how you feel about the war on bezels, but I have changed my mind I did not think the bezel thing was a great idea because I'm like I have a problem turning on Things when I grab phones as it is I need some bezel But now that I've been living with an essential phone, which is practically bezel-less. I get it now Do you just he with the essential anyway? They just made it a little thicker So I'm like, oh, it's easy to pick up and then it's all screen I don't have any wasted space. Yeah, it's nice to have all screen I'm very curious to see how the iPhone ends up looking in you know tomorrow, I guess But now that I look at my old iPhone my iPhone 6. I'm like, there's so much screen wasted space Yeah, that's all that you could be farming with apps More arable arable land for for apps You know, the other thing is when I wrote this story for Daily Tech headlines this morning I included a lot more detail But I was thinking of you listening to the headlights for some reason because you told me you listen to them And I was like, oh, but I have to make it make sense Well, then it's still impossible for me to even say out loud. So I mean It's always the problem with I just have to read this very slowly otherwise my brain's just gonna run everything together Twitter user divesh Logan drawn or at least that's what this person calls themselves on Twitter shared with the next web a Screenshot of a built-in tweet storm feature on the Twitter app for Android Feature automatically extends text more than a hundred forty characters into separate tweets as replies to the previous message With a tweet count included on each so instead of having to craft it you just type your message and it would Automatically break it up. I'm totally into this idea Although people get really angry about tweet storms, but it would be nice to be able to do that automatically would be great I prefer tweet longer where it's like you just see the first hundred forty characters And then you click the link if you really want to see what else they have to say I hate when they pollute my line timeline with like 16 tweets. Well, sometimes they don't serve replies Sometimes they get shrunken down. That's true. It's kind of the same thing. It's just a little clunky here That said I've seen some excellent Takes and analyses of things on Twitter because of that. Yeah, yeah And what I like actually about that over tweet longer or twit longer is that you can retweet the separate parts? Because sometimes something right in the middle is really interesting. Yeah, that's more point Hey, folks, if you want to get all those tech headlines I was just talking about each day in about five minutes subscribe to daily tech headlines calm I mean it doesn't take you five minutes to subscribe It'll take you less but the show itself is about five minutes And it'll give you all the information you need to know what's happening in the world of technology Here we talk about it tell you more about what it means and try to help each other understand it But tech headlines is like efficiency. Just need the headlines go to daily tech headlines calm Are you gonna add it to your Amazon Echo or the anchor app at anchor dot FM? And that's a look at our top stories So Let's talk about this Apple leak along with the leak of the potential names and the features and all of that Came a debate about whether news outlets should have reported it Eddie I'm sorry Federico Vettici. He's editor-in-chief of Mac stories net and club Mac stories tweeted Are we seriously complaining that nine to five Mac is reporting on the iOS 11 gold master when the download links to it Were and are public on reddit? Of course those links don't work anymore, but he's saying look this was this is just public information Andrew Cunningham who works for the wire cutter and New York Times wrote LOL are we seriously complaining about spoilers for a trillion dollar companies to our commercial? Now on the other side of the fence in the responses were a lot of people talking about Apple And John Gruber at Daring Fireball wrote would you not agree that a leaked screenplay for the last Jedi would be a spoiler? Size of a company isn't a factor Oh, come on a lot of other folks said the publication of information discovered in the leaked code was unfair To Apple work hard for their surprise and you've ruined it. You've spoiled so spoiler culture Veronica has moved to Apple events I have mixed feelings on this I do agree that it is unfortunate for the employees who work so hard And they really do work really really hard to have their their projects and their announcements spoiled I guess but at the same time if something is on the public Internet, like they're an Apple blog Like this is literally their job like their job is to report on Apple news And if there's something that seems you know if there's a good chance that it's true at the very least Or something that seems reasonably true if they're marking it as a rumor and publishing it. That's just what they do I'm sorry. I'm I'm I would never complain about that if you don't like spoilers. Don't read them like I Mean really I mean come on like I knew although let me just make this let me take your analogy a little further Yeah, good the Game of Thrones season finale was leaked Like it was out there there were your spoilers about it. It was all over if you wanted to find it I managed to just not be spoiled because I didn't go looking for it. I didn't want to watch the episode I you know it maybe something could happen that I would see on Twitter accidentally that's happened in the past But also spoilers have proven time and time again to not actually affect your enjoyment of the content Like there have been studies done like it may be it's different from person to person But I don't think I've ever watched something unless it was like a super like M. Night Shyamalan style twist where like it absolutely You never would have known that a spoiler has ruined something for me So I just think that's a lame comparison. Okay. Yes, they're a big frickin company They are a massive multi-million billion dollar corporation like I'm I I'm sorry if I'm having a little trouble shaking out some sympathy for them But I the only criticism I have for what you're doing is you're making it equivalent You're saying that a spoiler for a movie is the same as a spoiler for an apple event Well, no because I didn't give a spoiler. No I'm saying if you're using if you're using that logic then that logic is bad is what I'm saying But okay, you're saying you could avoid the spoilers, but I don't there's not a culture There's a culture of me saying hold on we're gonna talk about the Game of Thrones finale now, right? Like even when you talked about it I'm like, ooh, I better not I want to use it as an example But I better not say what happened in case somebody hasn't seen it I don't think about that when somebody's like hey We found the gold master and the name of the iPhone is gonna be this but that's what people are saying is like Oh, you should have given us a spoiler alert before putting it in the headline And I'm sorry, where does John Gruber get off saying like defending Apple about this kind of stuff? Like I'm sorry if someone passed him along a massive tip on something. I Keep probably post about it, right? He has I'm pretty sure he's done that in the past Like tiny violin. I don't really care. It's stupid to be upset about it's a tech company It's not a big deal. Okay. I you have forced me to take the opposite side even though I know I'm 99.99% agree with you. I'm ready. I do so come at me, bro You may be right that it is not Reasonable, but people are definitely feeling it, right? So why are people feeling frustrated and I think it is particular to Apple? I mean other companies like Samsung for instance when they released the Galaxy Note 8 They just put all the information online at the beginning of the announcement, right? They spoiled themselves I've seen other companies do that because there's not the same level of expectation Personality they have this whole like this is how they unveil stuff and so there are I mean you've heard people say oh, it's like Christmas the Apple event is today and and you've ruined Christmas for them But you know what else the only people who really care are people like you and me I don't think the average American citizen who's probably going to buy an iPhone and we'll find out what the announcements are like the day after the event takes place really care that some Apple rumor site and I'm not calling these sites that I'm just saying any site that happens to publish Apple rumors Yeah, we're not careful of that because nine to five Mac or Mac or Mac are great publications. They're news publications Yeah, I'm thinking I'm you know why I'm saying that I'm thinking back to the days when like people used to call like in gadget and stuff Like tech rumor blogs or whatever, you know, that's not what they're all about But they have a they have a they had their their money-making operations to they have a duty to their readers in there And it is a little weird. I mean This isn't you know life-or-death issues, right? Usually the line goes like a journalism has a has a is defending the public's right to know and a lot of times It's in the public interest to know like hey, this is this is happening like the aquifax You know uncovering things about aquifax is an important job of journalists to do on the other hand the gold master Nobody lives or dies on that if a publication decided to sit on it for a day or two They'd really just be losing traffic just be hurting themselves. Yeah So I I get where people are like they didn't have to publish it at the same time They also don't have a responsibility to keep Apple secrets. Well, is Apple paying their bills? No, you know So are they bright? They haven't broken any laws by looking at this Some someone probably inside Apple gave them this link It's it's very hard to believe that someone else could have come up with this link if you don't understand the link was a Public URL didn't have any password protection on it But it was such a long complex URL that you would have had to know it to get to it It would would be almost impossible to brute force and guess and so the thinking is it had to have been somebody inside Apple Possibly somebody in manufacturing who was having access to it could have leaked it too. Well, yeah This is and yeah, but this is like what Apple has been saying and something that we we also read about was how They're really cracking down on their supply chain leaks and now most of any leaks come from within the company itself from on campus So that's just it's a bit of a changing culture there I guess where I would put it is nine to five Mac and Mac rumors are well within their rights to report all of this This is this is public information now and and it is that that is their job is to report public information And withholding it has its risks. What if they did withhold something that that would have been in the public interest? This is why journalists lean towards publication, right? If there's no reason not to they didn't break any laws doing this on the other hand You ever like to be frustrated by it, but I would say be frustrated with the leaker not with the outlet You being the royal you not me. Yes, not you You all y'all Yeah Should should you know take it take take your frustrations out on the person who let this out that that shouldn't have happened And maybe password protect those gold masters in the future. I don't know Pass along the password at that point, but Anyway, thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit. This was obviously a big big subreddit topic today You could submit your stories and vote on them at daily tech news show dot reddit.com And if you want to talk to other folks in the know In the audience about this go to facebook.com slash groups slash daily tech news show We'll finish up with some equifax emails. Kevin brown says am I overreacting to say this appears to be criminal Negligence on the part of equifax executives It takes little imagination to think they would be one of the most desirable targets of a hacking attack Their data security practices should be supreme Why would they allow a breach in what sounds like a not overly sophisticated attack? Which could have involved any number of paths they seem to have left open all right Criminal negligence is a particular thing There is criminal. There's reckless Behavior and then there's there's you know criminal recklessness and criminal negligence Reckless is when you did know better and you just didn't do anything Negligence is when you should have known better and a lot of times courts will treat him the same to be honest the so the question is Should equifax have known that this hack was going to happen I don't think anyone thinks equifax didn't know hacks would happen Uh, and I don't think equifax was not trying to protect their data Okay, let's let's be let's be reasonable about that about this equifax may have been bad at protecting their data But they weren't not trying so I don't think it's criminal negligence except ZD net has an article that claims Through a third party. This is not equifax saying it but an equity research firm baird With that with very little evidence blames an Apache Uh software hole for this The problem is that this software hole was not discovered until towards the end of this vulnerability's exploitation Okay, so the exploitation Happened between march and may and actually this new vulnerability was uncovered on september 5th. So long after Uh, I'm sorry mid-may through july so long after The equifax breach was discovered. It's not impossible that somebody knew about this before it was discovered It was a zero-day vulnerability, but that seems unlikely Uh, so I don't think it was this apache vulnerability. However ZD net's steven javon nickles points out that there was another apache vulnerability That happened in march Of that year which could also have been exploited. No one's saying it was or it wasn't But he points out that if there wasn't a patchy vulnerability that was exploited That would be the one if they didn't patch that one in march And at that point I start to think okay If there was an apache vulnerability on the equifax server in march that was not patched and that was used to conduct This breach in mid-may Then you start to look at something that maybe could be argued to be negligence How so because they would have known about it because like I said the definition of negligence is you should have known better And if you are a responsible Company you find out what the security vulnerabilities are from the make from the vendor and you patch them A patchy did its job and said hey, there's that there's a vulnerability. You should patch it So if they didn't patch it and this was exploited you could make a case. Okay, that makes sense. Yeah Well, they've just handled so much about this so poorly. It's hard to really kind of Expect that they did anything right throughout this process I mean, it's hard to know and and I don't want to throw around accusations without evidence All of this that I was just saying is theoretical We're not saying it wasn't a patchy vulnerability equifax has not said it wasn't a patchy vulnerability at all But it's an example of like well if it was that then that would be an example Bruce wrote in our analyst slack. I just listened to the equifax episode on the way into work this morning Don't know if you've mentioned it on the show before but gdpr Which goes into effect in spring 2018 will force all companies globally Who have eu resident customers european union resident customers to enact protections Around p2 or be subjected to massive fines up to 10 million euros for minor infractions to 20 million euros for major infractions It's very involved But basically you have to put protections in place around data at rest or in motion Can only share data with folks who have similar protections and with consent record acceptance about what data you collect Enable the right to be forgotten enforce data retention rules, etc It won't help with companies like cable companies who are by scope only serving companies customers in the us But a huge number of companies in the us are impacted even though many don't know it yet It remains to be seen how enforceable it will be I'm running the dev side of things at our company and it reminds me of y2k he says So this doesn't necessarily help anybody in the us right now But it's the kind of thing that will encourage companies to Play it better with their data It's a big problem right now. I think that kind of Goes without saying but companies really have to be very careful with this stuff And and users have to be very aware of of where their data is and how it can be used and what they sign off on especially for this kind of thing that aquifax is doing with the You know basically you sign away your rights to a class action lawsuit by By you know agreeing to their new terms or whatever it is and Yeah, it's just the consumer has a responsibility to be aware too And and that's what's so disturbing about this hack is that you you didn't put your information in aquifax's Database in a lot of cases. This is a credit reporting agency that collected it about you Uh, so and and to be fair aquifax is trying to say we are not going to Wave your right to trial force you into arbitration if you are taking advantage of our credit monitoring because of this incident So they're saying that now. They are saying that they've put it on their fact. They've publicly stated it In several cases. They haven't put it in their terms of service That's what you're talking about. Okay. I retract my earlier statement then but I you know, they're probably not gonna it would not be in their residences to force someone into arbitration if there was a case And there are plenty of class action cases being collected. So that's going to happen Uh, well that is it for this episode of the daily tech news show Veronica Belmont. What you got going on? We've got let's see. Hmm. What do I got going on? Oh Um, I uh the final episode of this season of irl is coming out next week So if you haven't been listening and want to catch up you can get all the episodes at irl podcast.org that is irl The letters podcast.org and we're going to be coming back for season two Congratulations. That's great. Um, so yeah, definitely check that out and yeah, and Sort of laser we're going to have annalee new. 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Yeah So roger, what should we call this show? Tell us Well, you can have one bad apple league spoils a whole bunch Or on bezels harvey break google fix ooh, yeah I Was not surprised just disappointed. That's my parents tell me Tom needs some bezel fire tv is so square box shaped stick Is it rounded? Extreme makeover phone edition stormy tweeting. It's raining tweets getting to the core of the leak tech spoiler alerts I spoil spoiler for two hour advert Tech spoiled to the core. I I like how you can tell it's zoe brings bacon because she uses the word advert Ad or commercial, uh, it's forced to take the opposite side spoiler alert apples Gotta like that one. Okay. So you read all of them, but you didn't answer my question I would say I mean, that's the title of the show Just m's Veronica roger's taking too long. What should we call it? I like I I would say I would say one bad apple and then leak Oh One bad apple and then parentheses leak. Yeah No, let me let me see what that looks like. I kind of like this One bad apple Leak Oh, yeah, I like that Here, I'll submit it for you in the chat room And then people can vote on it Even though we're probably gonna use it anyway There see one bad apple leak What don't you guys? One bad apple exposed the whole bunch girl time for the lead now Yeah, it's winning now. Yeah Oh, wow, it's shot to the top It's shot Well, you know if apple's having trouble with leaks they should get they should buy out depends Um, yeah, that's the 90s version of that joke. Um, well Oh, okay. What's the 21st century version tom? I saw when I was watching weather nation Tell me I was watching weather nation yesterday. They had an infomercial for some kind of tape I can't remember the name of it now. Unfortunately, that would stop leaks But you put tape over it that sounds like some magic tape I would rather have something absorbent, but no, you just like if there's a hole They showed like a bucket with water spilling out and they just slapped the tape on it You could tape it even while it's wet It'll still stop the leak 1995 Okay, I I prefer that depends. All right, fine Because it makes it seem like the company's incontinent It's an incompetent you are constant in your love of incontinence It's old people jokes tom talk about when you get to our age Swapping stories flex tape. Is it flex tape? Is that's what w scottis says? Flex tape. Maybe it's flex tape. Does flex tape have infomercials? Oh, are you talking? Oh the tape. I was thinking of the rubber like oh, yeah It's totally flex tape That rubber compound that you could put in Seal the boat with it. Yeah Apple needs flex tape that should have been the title Sleeks leaky pipes can cause major damage You don't have to tell me Tell apple You know what? It's probably because your pipes are corroded. You probably should just replace the pipe Well, that's what I was thinking when I was watching this Commercial yesterday. I was like none of this is actually going to fix your problem. It's just It's literally it's literally plumbers duct tape That's all it is. Yeah For people who aren't plumbers you could replace this pipe and fix it permanently But why let's put this tape on it You just have to visit the basement every two weeks to make sure it's still I don't know home repair is such a pain in the Patukas so you keep telling me it is you'll find out when you when you oh, I own I own a place I I know I don't disbelieve you Structural failures animals making homes and Silver onica when are we going to go to disneyland? I don't know Did you do the star not start tours hyper space mountain? Yes That's aileen's what? Wow, are you calling it hyper space mountain? That's what they call it now. It's it's not space mountain anymore No, they changed it into hyper space. Oh, yeah, it was super scary. It was fun. I screamed a lot Eileen always screams enjoy Oh, wait, are you guys that are you like the really loud one on the roller coaster? Yeah That's the only roller coasters are for screaming roger. I don't want to hear about it I come back. I see that's why I don't go in roller coaster because I literally go deaf There's literally you'd literally go deaf literally. Yes. I'm having a hard time. You're literally deaf now Because of roller coasters. No, because of people people screaming a roller because of people on roller coasters. Yes, literally. Yes How do you hear? Yes, how do you say literally in sign language? I don't know. I'll have to look it up on google I'm gonna do that Wait, american sign language I read somewhere that ASL and french sign language are very very close because ASL is based on it So I'm wondering It would be possible to communicate it with a Person who maybe spoke and or read and wrote french be spoke Be spoke Like wouldn't be kind of cool May not be a word for it. May not be the right There's not a ASL for For what what are you trying to get done? I'm supposed to do ASL for the word literally There's no You do exact I can do precisely There's one for intensify Make something more intense More intensity What was that that was from uh lost in translation. Yeah I asked julie about that and says yeah, he's basically the entire time. He's that's essentially what he's asking But he says I want should be like so-and-so actor in this movie and be very intense And so they just distill this More intensity Great, you have someone just kind of describe Translate everything for you That was one of my favorite things about staying in the Grand Hyatt in tokyo Don't worry doing centauri time. No, I lean Sitting in the window like scarlett Johansson I have like 20 pictures over No word for primes. No, that's What's that roger literally? literally So wait you you you spend a minute for that gag This is that gag. This is what I get I was hoping like a little snake exact. It's actually it's actually exact Oh, the word is that the word you're making is exact For those of you listening to audio Veronica is making the asl sign for exact Add knife. Does that make exacto knife? Can you like exact knife? That would just be a very exact knife. Yeah Like exacto knife, but I don't know if I'm rotating the right way, but Okay That's what she said This is cool Are you just you're just lost in asl now, aren't you? perfect You can do what my uh, my classmate used to do because she she She knew asl every time she talked she would just sign everything she was saying out of habit Hmm That's like you're always speaking out loud for those who yeah Well, the cool thing is she had a stenographer Uh to help her take notes in class. So I was always crib her notes From her stenographer That's great. That's great. I like they're really good crazy Are you heading out Probably I'm almost To make sure I didn't screw anything up. I always say that and then later I find out I screwed something It's only on the days that I don't care that I do it, right You know, isn't that a little uh, a little kind of the tau philosophy is it I spell xiaomi, right xiao, right Yes, xiaomi How many And never gets old all right, I think I'm done. Thank you all. Do you know how to say goodbye in asl yet? Lock it up. Oh, we're just waving. We'll see just just wave. Bye everyone