 Yo, let's chat. Hey guys, welcome to my office slash bedroom slash music room slash SC room we are Going to go through some pretty cool SC review. This is the lat the latest video that I uploaded. It's a talk with Bethany where I let her roleplay as the actual se Asker question person and then I handle a topic which was I think men are better than women Don't really think that I dare you to use that against me in the future. Let's go. I Can't wait till that happens one day. It'll be like hey terrible. We told we totally got you I'm like, uh, no, don't you realize this is a fake video? Anyway, um, this is the setup that I have for my Budget stream deck. I got this shot right here where I'm in the bottom corner I know I'm so tiny check that out and then I got myself up here Then there's two additional shots if I think I'm saying something important I'm gonna be like zoomed in like this or it's just you and me We're just looking at each other But then if I zoom out a little bit check that out look at that, you know It's like the same shot, but you're not it's not as serious serious not so serious and Of course got this webcam sort of thing. It's all laggy, but hey, it's a second shot So anyway still getting this set up. Let me know what you guys think We will just continue to work. Anyway on this anyway Let's go through the actual conversation. There's some cool things that happen and Just want to go over it. Anyway This is a friend of my name Bethany we met yet each other at Sunday assembly and Nashville And that's her son Caden really cool kid. He I love how kids know how to do fist bumps And look at that power fist bump. That's an awesome kid Okay So that's that is basically my philosophy of how I do se I have three different things that I can ask questions about and it could be Targeted at the person who's holding the belief it can be targeting at the belief itself that conclusion that they've reached or It could target that method that they used to reach their conclusion And it just tends to be the case that there's a lot less ego invested in the methodology Then there is in the person and the conclusion and you know that when people say like oh, I'm an atheist or I'm a Christian or anything like that They so closely identified with their conclusion that if you try to ask a question about the conclusion This is if you're targeting them personally and they'll react as if you target them personally and they get really defensive And they don't open themselves up to actually having a thoughtful conversation about their beliefs or even how they came to the beliefs So target that methodology. How did you arrive at that conclusion? Is that method reliable? What if other people use that rely method and got to different conclusions? Would you be more inclined to believe that these are all great questions in SE and I think they're the ones that we should be asking Anyway, let's continue on Oh I'm saying the same thing look at me. I'm wasting other one's time here Yeah, that's exactly it Cool Right You can do it you do it please do it I'm begging you Okay, so that's a that's a really interesting point you can do I would recommend it with your starting out se try to do it on things that aren't religious in nature Marvel movies or Just like favorite sports teams video games anything that you particularly are Interested in talking about even if it's a conversation that's already started and you remembered Hey, I remember this guy telling me I could do conversations in SE without even having to talk about religion If you wake up in that lucid moment mid conversation try it out try asking someone how they what they believe How confidently they believe it and how they arrived at that belief and you don't even really need to challenge it Just get used to being in that thoughtful mindset where you're asking questions about the methodology It's totally a great way to start totally great way to start Look how thoughtful on me. Oh, he's dropping the bombs and look at her. She's writing it down. I didn't even know that look at that She's writing it down She's taking notes That's a great way to start how did you arrive at the conclusion that men are better than women? It's a good way to start and Yeah, I like that I like that as a more natural way than asking someone how confident they believe they are because that's always such a Weird thing confidence scales and throwing numbers that stuff. I think just hey, how did you figure that out? That's a great way to start a conversation That's not true That's potentially true There are strong women in the Olympics though, I'm not I'm not I'm not discounting a lot of it That's a really good approach. It's a little towards it's it's how do I put it? It is Exactly what you would want to get to in the conversation like if someone says I believe You know This thing because of X what you try to do is look at that X and see hey If I didn't have that X would that change your mind at all and if I said no that wouldn't change my mind at all That's not what I'm resting all my confidence on and X isn't useful at all I'm just saying X but I have no confidence in it whatsoever because I'd still come to that belief even without X So she's doing a great job and just saying hey Do you really believe this because of that thing that you just said and if I said no Move on to the next thing. That's great saves you time from having to ask questions about a bunch of stuff That doesn't matter to either of us. So yeah, she's doing great I Look at that finger though Yeah, I'm thinking right now that's a really good pensive place to be oh, okay, here we go It's always good Sure And it's always good To just get an idea of how confidence how confidence someone is when you say confidence level That won't mean a lot to people who don't are who aren't very useful with street epistemology Conversations, so I would probably try being more like How sure are you about this? Do you think there's any chance for you to be wrong or maybe that's probably even bad way I don't like saying wrong in a conversation like that. I would just basically say Get an idea of is there any window of doubt in that person's mind? So I'm like, are you absolutely sure that that's the case and if they say yes I mean like oh absolutely as in like there's no way that this is wrong. What's whoever this is like lean into it Like oh, so you're absolutely closed-minded on this idea. You're like a hundred percent confidently sure There's no way right if you lean into the the the the absolute nature of how confidence someone is about Any kind of claim they will naturally do one of two things one Be made aware that they might be being a little bit closed-minded and be like well, I'm not I'm not I wouldn't say closed-minded I'm definitely open-minded being wrong about some stuff It's like okay, cool. Now. They're not absolute That's like the bulk of what this work is all about trying to get people to not be absolute in their beliefs or any belief really At least just be open to the idea that hey, I could be wrong about almost anything But if they do reinforce that hey, man, I'm super duper confident I'm super duper confident man And nothing's gonna change my mind that gives you the perfect target To start asking questions about so they'll either give you the perfect target or they'll at least admit hey I'm not as confident as you know You might suspect me to be but we can still have this kind of conversation and that just gives you a good groundwork to start from She's doing it right now So where did you go? A lot Like all the NFL rings. Hmm. Got all the sports trophies. You got all the sports trophies You got that sports ball trophy. I know so much about sports. It's great Oh, why are you going for the gut? And this character is great Okay, I'm not saying women can't do I do like this though Bethany isn't just asked me questions. She's actually Injecting a little bit more of herself and and throwing some personal stories into this as well I So it there are definitely styles of SE where it's just question question question question question philosophy philosophy I get bored with that and I do like to have a back and forth with someone where I'm throwing out some stuff and then Throwing out some stuff to me as well And I feel like that makes it more of a conversation than an interview like this isn't like an interrogation, right? Both of us should be freely able to like introduce some things about their lives And I think that's cool. I think the way that she's done it The fact that it directly, how do I put it? Challenges my notion that you know, like there's no such thing as a female CEO You know like this character is that impression that there's no such thing as a female CEO runs the risk slightly of Challenging that conclusion that I have and that could make me a little bit more defensive in this conversation so there is that You to be you have to be aware that as you in efforts to make the conversation more conversational run the risk of Making your se partner more defensive and that's something but in the same way Only being robotic with the questions that you're asking and strictly only asking questions also runs of risk of not making that Emotional level connection to have that person feel comfortable in a conversation to where they even want to be open It's a strange balance But it's one of those things that gets better over time and I feel like the more comfortable you are the more comfortable The person that you're talking to is so do what feels good to you. That's the basic point of it If you like asking questions Ask questions if you like being intense be intense if you like being conversational big conversational But do you and I think that's the best way to actually get better at this. Anyway, let's keep going Well There's more men in charge Like you look at the president Look at the president For example, like if just because there were more men in charge A woman That means that they're more Does that lay in credence to the fact that they're better than women? Hmm. She's basically asking. How are you defining? Better without saying it so clinically right like if I am in fact saying men are better than women on What criteria am I basing that off of and is it in fact based on capability or like how much money they're making or how strong they're making like It's a really natural way of asking me What do you mean by better and if you can more strictly define that? Then we have a better grounds for at least showing like oh well Here are some cases where that may not always be the case where it benefits men or supports the idea that only men are better With a more concrete definition of what someone explains to be the case you have more Material to work with in order to figure out if that is in fact something that you should have absolute confidence over and Many times we have these kinds of conversations where we are dealing with something as ambiguous as a God But we fail to get an accurate definition of what the God is or what attributes that God has it's just like and It's so important to just nail that out as early as possible in the conversation that we don't have to deal with it Later on because you'll might notice they'll be shifting a goalposts. We'll ask people jump to like the next vague Impression that they had with an ill-defined concept I Think she's doing good here because like overall this is still a fairly like we're still only a couple of minutes into the chat She's asking for that definition and it's getting me thinking look at this pose. This is a really great pose Yeah, I'm definitely thinking about what's going on here. Anyway really really good chat so far They're definitely stronger than women So even if they're the same you like think about it like this Don't hire me if I have a construction So my basing off the longevity of the company look at her thinking she's already thinking about the next thing You're doing good. She's doing great. Oh, there's Pat in the background Just as helpful just as strong probably by a man But at least if they can do that then I'm okay with that too. So maybe I want to say that That's all you really want I'm not Okay, so again the goal of these kinds of conversations isn't to force someone to change their mind or Changed anyone's mind it ever period really it's to give them the I ability to recognize if they've Jumped the gun a little bit on their confidence based on the Method that they use to rive at their conclusion and if it turns out that the methodology that they're using is ill-defined or Not very good or not reliable They will naturally do their own backtracking on their confidence themselves and All you need to do is just shine a light on that and that's what the main goal with se is and I think this is like a really good way of showing that anybody can do it about any topic and The goal isn't so much like hey, you're a hundred percent about a let me turn it around to you're a hundred percent on z No, it's more of just like hey, you're a hundred percent on a is that really reliable is a actually reliable because I want to know Oh, I don't think that method that uses reliable Me okay, so maybe I'm not a hundred percent on a anymore me. I'm just like 99.9999 percent Okay, that's fine. Oh, you could be that that's totally fine because you just went from completely close minded I'm a hundred percent. I'm not asking questions anymore. I'm like I'm here to you cracked open that door Just a little bit you cracked open that door just a little bit and that's all you need to do And that's what's beautiful about this kind of hobby. You know just learning how to get people to be a little bit more open-minded That's all the goal is Just a little bit more open-minded. All right. Let's see what we've got Does she stop here or does she keep going no she stops dude, that's it That's wonderful. Yeah, look at all the notes she took that's great Yeah, if you can just Keep it positive. Yes Hey, yes, why am I agreeing with myself? Right still agreeing with myself It is fun, I highly recommend people try it out listen if you have the opportunity to ever have a chalk or talk with someone and If it's either online or face-to-face or over the phone and you remember this Video if you remember this kind of conversation Remember that you have the ability to help people think about the things that they really strongly believe the case And it could be about anything, you know And it doesn't have to be a challenge. It doesn't have to be an argument doesn't have to be debate No one's get defensive. There's just a really cool way to ask people questions about what they believe to be true in a really fun and conversational way that gets People hopeful it gets me hopeful that anyone will be able to talk to anybody about anything and this is where it begins So thank you for watching that video. Bethany. I think you did a great job. Wonderful job. Okay. That's it. Thank you guys That's it. These are my YouTube recommendations I've been watching a lot of Avengers stuff. Anyway, uh, see you guys later. Bye