 I think in my elaboration on your first question, I have covered the sum of the ground which is would be in response to this question. But, to reiterate again Rand policy paper 2019 is a seminal document, I repeat the word seminal document on all the multiple strategies both military, political, economic warfare and financial warfare or warfare against the financial institutions of Russia. To overextend it means to draw it away in several directions distract in several directions and to and to cause it the most severe damage basically to attack its very very existence as a state as a Russian people. Whoever like to exist the largest territorial entity in the world and people who have long suffered for two century three century they suffered so many invasions including the nine nation and Tante which intervened in the after 1917 revolution. So, this is a multiple strategy it is not a ordinary strategy it was actually has already been in execution only the it has been moved from first gear to the fourth gear now that is the top gear now. So, what was it why was this strategy? She went all these strategies and think tanks in the world plan for all this they plan it against the background and the background was that the western banking system the western financial system since 2008 as a well-known date and even otherwise earlier has been going into a deepening crisis it has not come out it has not come out though the printed dollar allows it to allows it to become the greatest data in this in the world, but they can pick and people are generally generally reconciled to that so far they have been Saudi Arabia was a very big backer of this because is Saudi Arabia's ruler who agreed to the petrodollar in 1973 that is the origin of it, but gradually all the Gulf states also agreed to the petrodollar and everybody agreed to the other worlds reserve currency though which is a completely unfair system because these people can keep on taking debts live off the world import everything and not pay for it because the value of the dollar will go down nothing it can stop the value of dollar from going down so there is a deepening crisis the not the pandemic, but actually the way the system work because it became uncompetitive with respect to China all consumer goods and all even machinery goods even advanced technology goods even patents in the world were now with China and all this talk of that that they will stop the technology they will stop the chips and it is all for public consumption something like that is stopping all application with China and that will hurt China and China will put be put in its place, but the main thing was this competition that United States is actually out competed by China on almost all manufacturing and all design even the high tech area is now gradually being taken over by the US and once that happened Europe is already in decline Germany which is regarded the greatest I mean the finest precision machine making country in the world all the famous names in China famous firms there in the shadow even automobile even in aircraft even in computers even in any field of activity they were being outsmarted and out competed so the number of people who are unemployed after 250 years of democracy and capitalism in the world 50 percent of the people in the United work working people in the United States do not have economic security they live from paycheck to paycheck they live on the in the 10 cities of San Francisco if this is what capitalism has given the United States over 250 years what about our friends here who think that capitalism privatization inequalities will deliver India's million then we have got 1400 million not not the 200 million that there are 250 million that there are in Europe or US it's a completely absurd ridiculous argument it won't and our constitution doesn't say it but that's the side so you have a very very deep crisis of stagnancy over capacity over production against the capacity no way to export because they have they are losing markets as you know China and ASEAN have already come into RSEP RCEP regional cooperation economic agreement and the latest is that ASEAN is now dealing with China on a exchange of ruble with the local currency something which India is now likely to step in the oil area so the area of markets capture of markets is decreasing and it is Asia and China in particular which have made the American economy not able to compete in the world not able to compete in the export not able to compete in technology not able to complete all round so there's a very deep crisis and the aristocracy the oligarchs who rule the US actually there is a it's a oligarchy it's an autocracy same thing in your spite of the coverings of democracy basically it is less a lesser number of people who are determining the future prospects of more and more people in their own country so there's a level of dissatisfaction with the systems and in order to camouflage that and what they thought because the neo coins and the European far right wing is he always has this idea that we are superior we were we were superior we are superior and we will be superior and we can take care of these new kids on the block they have not been honest to themselves at least publicly except for few there are few there are a number of people in the base number of very good people I would say who understand their relative position with respect to China and with respect to it so thought they thought they will separate China and Russia that is not working that's not likely to work as far as my understanding is concerned so they have come up to actually put into effect this and this has been going on for years but if people should think that this is provoked by Russia it's wrong it is this strategy of containing Russia by were extended in several areas and by imbalancing Russia because they think they can deal with Russia through sanctions lots of newspaper articles have come out lots of very great strategists and thinkers and analysts have said that Russia will be affected with my humble submission is that they have taken care of it they have prepared for it and they will not allow in fact Russia will grow stronger out of these sanctions as it went with the first set of sanctions couple of years ago they will come out they have already come out people like Glasiyev I have talked about this five years ago and they will accelerate their movement for self-reliance so it's a make in India mean make in Russia actually make in Russia the in a very advanced technology area but they will not be they will be hardships but let me state the Russian people are strong enough patriotic enough have enough resilience in spite of this hardship of 20 to 30 percent increase in prices and roughly 20 to 30 percent people living below the desired standards it is true but they will suffer because for them their country despite certain of this cosmetic process protest in Moscow or Leningrad or Petrograd or or Peterburg are being even headlined here in our newspapers and amongst our thinking of history who should know better that they are great put us peace put us for they should be peace put us they will be peaceful why not young people want peace but young people also want they also understand what is happening to their country how they've been successively targeted and continue to be targeted that's the president Putin statement of 24th February very good says directions and directive to the Russian military Russian defense ministry is that our objective is first of all to save or intervene in the situation in Donbas that is in Ukraine save lives and make sure that since we have recognized these two republics Luhans and Donets and they are we have recognized them independent and they have invited us to come to the aid we are going on invitation we are not going on ourselves that's the usual diplomatic stuff to intervene then bring this secondly are two bigger objectives that is to demilitarize Ukraine now what he means by that is immediately immediately that's Ukrainian military assets air bases logistic depots ammunition depots missile structures air defense radars that will be neutralized and that they have been doing very successful in fact I can give you but you know yourself the ministry of defense Russia gives a daily briefing every day by a major general and he is outlined in what they call objects everything is object for them factory is object of a base is object so many thousand objects have been neutralized contrary to all kinds of fake reports that we gave at some Ukrainian aircraft shot down some other Russian aircraft much superior aircraft etc. and helicopters all that is completely fake and has been proved fake by but there are photographs of exercises of photographs of I mean videos of older years or simulated fights which are being shown around so that they have largely succeeded in that hardly that they will denazify now this is political military it is neither military completely nor political but it's political military it's a combination what is denazification the common sense common knowledge but more much more information documented information what to call is hard intelligence is there with the Russian or either the Kremlin or with the Russian Defense Ministry on what has gone on because from 2014 the Nazis or the Yadav battalions or organization semi armed some thugs some mercenaries some plane plane military trained people who have been trained in the U.S. have who have been drawn into the state apparatus they become part of the National Guard we demonstrated we demonstrated over 80 years in in Donetsk and the Luhans is not that this is some theoretical calculation they have been the president of the state and the president of Ukraine is actually presided has actually presided over functions of these other battalions and they have been upgraded to as our regiment and so on so forth so there is no nothing hanky there is nothing secret it's out in the open out in the open the gradual integration of the openly nazi outfits broadly referred to as the other regiments of battalion into the state military apparatus in fact there are estimates that 80 percent of the higher echelons including cabinet of the Ukraine are comprised of people who have affiliations with this kind of 80 percent secondly in the classical manner in which infiltration and subversion is done of any state any state it had been done even of Soviet Union earlier in those closing years and I was a witness to that and some of my friends are a witness to that that is how the state is subverted when the institutions of the state are subverted here the military institution the political institution the security institutions of Ukraine have been subverted by these elements but this is a way this is the most challenging I would say the military objectives are you can say almost achieved because if you see the latest map as of today I got the latest map or chart of them is here defense structure which is in public it is in the public domain that all their initial objectives military objectives have been achieved theirs they are not going into Kiev for this isn't that similar reason that we did not go into Lahore in 1965 or 71 because you don't want to get mixed up into street fighting military is not not ideal institution to fight a street battle or street you know shooting so they are staying outside this is the further actually many commentators have commented that this is very strange phenomena not having studied the Russian or Soviet military literature that the Russians are not marching into places like the capital but they asked from there is the fifth round of negotiations I think which is on today that they have been negotiating the marching I mean going ahead militarily in one particularly in road past places like Mario pole etc but this is strategy which every day while fighting some fighting is going on has been going on and military assets are being destroyed by either by missiles or by drones or by aircraft etc they are negotiating now they know they understand the character of this government in Ukraine they know that they are working for time they are hoping that something will happen hoping that the US will intervene some NATO country will intervene but they are not going to they want don't want to burn their hands they don't want to burn their fingers they just use this as a catch for and secondly to bring pressure military pressure and civilian negotiations because morale is a very important factor in life these very people who are negotiating comprise of different kind of people some are hard solid what you call Ukrainian patriots the others are not and the hard strong patriotic or you could call it Ukrainian elements in the negotiating team are also human beings they also realize what is the what is the factual position they are going back now they are on video they are online conference they are not even coming to Belarus so they know the what is the balance what is the what is the what is the head what is the head in 24 hours 48 hours how long can this go on how long can this go on that you entirely the entire country is being neutralized or is being weakened or does not have logistics or does not have petrol and diesel all does not have ammunition or does not have other does not have communications and its citizens are leaving according to some estimates 3 to 5 million Ukrainians have left civilians have left through the western corridors apart from the eastern corridors so they know where the do you know what lies ahead and there comes a time this is but the strategy is completely different in other wars the negotiations have always been at the end even in the Vietnam war negotiations were right at the end in any war negotiations or negotiations of the of what are the term is it complete cylinder is it partial cylinder is it a signing of agreement signing of treaties all that is different but here it is both are going side by side which is very normal for the west but for any student of Soviet or Russian history it is a normal normal strategy with they have adopted so the political strategy which I said I have no hesitation in admitting that dean asification is a very difficult challenge very is a formidable challenge because I mean you even if you take Kiev which is the capital of the state with the best intelligence in the world with many Ukrainians who are actually Russians and Ukrainians and their brothers they are the same people even then it would be very difficult for them to weed out neutralize the place with genuine Ukrainians who love their country who love their people it is not easy that is the one which is going to take a little more time a little more determination little more a more intelligent a more a more and more intelligent way of dean asifying so that is the military and political and politically of course the one single objective is politically that they will sign on the dotted line that they will never join the NATO it will be a very good legal document and ratified to be ratified by the security council and other world organization but then they will never join that they will not permit on their territory hostile acts of intent to actual acts of intent like pre positioning bases pre position military bases or or the or the basing of military facilities if I may say or bases which will which can harm their neighbors namely Russia Belarus etc so that is a political detail I think also also a message would go to Poland it will go to Romania it will go to Europe it will go to Hungary because apart from these objectives there is a unstated objective in my view in my humble view as a person who studied or has been a watcher of the of this country of this union of states Russia and so between it that this is a turning point in the dollar hegemony of the world is a tectonic shift in the balance of forces in the world this is a tectonic shift to demonstrate to the world I think the message has gone to many countries like United Arab Republic Qatar Saudi Arabia think they would never touch Russia hardly ever touch but now they are almost declining to talk to their Biden administration and to Biden himself and that's a very strong message other countries are watching they are not fooled they may have voted for the UN general submissive vote but they know in hearts of hearts and they have said so that that is a one vote we didn't have a sort of effect of the de facto situation but they are watching this is a turning point in the in the whole scenario of the of the balance of force in the world the correlation of force in the world and therefore that is that is really the political objective in my view the unstated one but which in fact becomes the kind of it is it becomes the inevitable inevitability to this whole affair by Ukraine a puppet government in Ukraine a government which is which is run on the advice and consent of the U.S. and and and NATO at best is being disturbed what happens to individuals in that government I don't think is that important because it is the character of the government which has happened which should happen which must happen by this by this particular specific military operation which have been launched on 24th February and they are not even a month this still seven eight days to go for the month to happen I think any sense any person any administration with the modicum of common sense and the modicum of realization the hard realities on the ground and the modicum and and and the realization of the balance of forces the fact that it's friends and masters or masters and friends provoked it to pick up this at this point of time maybe it could have been proved earlier maybe it could have been picked a little later but at this point to have accepted the assurance that they will come to their aid means hard aid troops and military hardware actually come to Ukraine's help and also to also any other type of help economic help other help logistic help he said not materialized nothing of the sort except token token kind of help and lots of talk and lots of shabash they say in Hindi the election kind of slogan which is area so I don't think we should pay too much attention to the names of the head of the state so he's the head of state now of course he's and the Russians have said but he's not even you know he's they President Putin has agreed that we will talk face to face but but they can't be a talk of tea and coffee there has to be substantive agenda which is a greed agenda which has got a some kind of meeting point that has not happened but it is like something will happen either this way as I said in the in a kind of Zelensky-Putin meeting or outside the Zelensky meeting through the negotiating people depending on whether he appoints a plenipotentiary who will negotiate seriously and come to terms of but there is no question and I will repeat it the Russians have no intention of interfering with the sovereignty of Ukraine no attention no intention of occupying Ukraine for any moment longer than it is necessary that I'm talking in days and weeks not once in years as has been the scene elsewhere in the world and that they have they want to in fact make every possible attempt and use to shall we say solidify and regenerate and resurrect the brotherly relations between the Ukrainian people and the Russian people because there are so many relations on both sides they have the same language they have the same church the Russian Orthodox to go to church for I mean many people do go to church and years and years and years thousands of years of hundreds of years of living together working together marrying with each other speaking the same language these are very strong bonds they cannot be they should not be replaced by some kind of a foreign ideology which is after all the fascist ideology is not Ukraine's ideology 99 percent 98 5 percent of the people there are people who have had experience of both Tsarist Russia as well as socialist Soviet Union and now a modern nation state Russia which is which is free of all the hangups of revisionism of regressive ideas or backward ideas itself with a is a developing democracy very keen to make up with the West very keen to live with its partners as president Putin keeps on saying but it has no ambitions of any other kind except to say that please just be a good neighbor just be a good neighbor is that asking for too much with people not from these people who are in in the regime but the people of Ukraine the people of Russia are very something tells me spiritually and materially both both wanting to live as good neighbors as as as as brothers like they were in the past there's not a really question but I think India so far has taken in accordance with the traditional approach that is follow the UN charter that it is for avoidance of any military conflict with anybody we buy a larger structure outside though others may think that in Bangladesh etc we did not follow that line sorry it has been seeking a dialogue through diplomatic channels through levels high contact diplomatic negotiations and every level which is now being followed more or less so India's position of course is that while Russia has been a very close friend and traditional friend Russia means so between in and Russia Ukraine was a part Ukraine has supplied as many items of interest both military and non-military to the Indian Indian to the Indian government to the Indian state to India so therefore we have no basic interest and India sees the point of view of Russia that you cannot have this kind of activity being permitted which is a grave security threat to the existence of the Russian state it is not a question of some minor trouble being caused it's a very existence of Russia as a state was at stake because of the unfortunate activities which are permitted or actions which are permitted by Ukraine government that it will they will see they will seek a sense after all they are they are sensible people and that we will do whatever is required whatever we can do diplomatically to exercise our influence in favor of negotiations in favor of completion of the early negotiation the wardens of civilian casualties our own students are involved and that story is another story so not the story which is being presented by the Indian media it is actually Russian facilitation which has got many of these people back particularly through the eastern corridors and and that we will continue to have after this good economic trade diplomatic relations cultural relations with Ukraine with the already existing good relations and economic and other relations defense relations with Russia which are we actually it's for us it is if you ask us people like us who have been to both countries and may have known both both people we don't see the difference we see that both are potentially both are potentially very good and strong friends of India that's the way I have the rest of the detail is who said what is not important and these these very binding shall I say these very bonds are so strong so visible so proved over the last 100 years and more that I think any government in Delhi would be would would pursue this line which has been our traditional line in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Ministry of External Affairs and so on so forth so I only I'm very optimistic that with all its ups and downs this process will finally lead to good happy neighborly relations in accordance with the United Nations started and as old friends no I think abstain is a was a very very very very measured very balanced step because there was no need to vote with the resolution and there was no need to vote against the resolution either because once the veto has been exercised the votes become redundant to that extent it is only symbolic it is only conveying a message that we do not stand with that the truth is only on one side that the facts are only on one side that there is a there is a there is a certain amount of genuine certain amount of say a position which has been taken which is which has justification because you cannot permit you cannot permit the basing of weapons of mass destruction biological and chemical weapons this is the fact which we have taken earlier and that you cannot permit a one-sided genocidal quasi genocidal if you like murder and killings of of a particular community like the Russian speaking people the Russian people speaking people speaking people are within Ukraine itself to go on like this in the murderous manner that they that God it is a it is a I would say on the balance on the balance it is a very very sensible position that India took in that vote this is I know the Cold War is already going on the Cold War to a certain extent depending on how you define it is already in progress because the one is the side which was the hegemonic size for 100 years more actually more 100 years roughly 100 years where the dollar then supreme the other side is the side which is worked hard its people have worked hard they have studied hard they have organized themselves in a in a scientific way both in China and Russia against I should not be unfair but against the side which is lived off its past both its colonial services in Latin America, Asia and Africa and the capitalist enterprise that is formed but they became more and more monopoly capitalism therefore they became more and more exclusive they did not include their own own population their own people who are if one may say if one can judge so it is not it is not for us outsiders to judge other people but that they have been they are being driven into unemployment they are being driven into punitively they have been the social security the all but lost and and and there is there is there is there is not a genuine democracy and that if a man can court president Putin in this case there is an ornamental electoral system which passes which tries to pass itself for the democracy or democracies that is the change in the situation that is to a certain extent it is inevitable to an extent it is inevitable in the rise and fall of nations or as some people like to rise and fall of empires or rise and fall of great powers at the time of the great historians like Arnold Toynbee etc but the facts of life are that China is progressing by leaps and bounds into a modern fourth industrial revolution going on to the horizon of fifth industrial revolution and Russia in its play with all but some of its inherited past which we discussed for a while a very very sorry decade from 1990 to 2000 is also modernizing itself though it has further way to go longer way to go as far as the welfare of its people are concerned but they are the foremost concern of the administration of the of the state administration Russia so there the cold war is a kind of a byproduct of this facts of life it is a it is a it is a terminology very very much a favorite technology the terminology of the diplomats of all the paper tiger paper of the all the analysts and people who pretend to be experts to be writing articles after articles after articles we have it we have in our own newspapers these kinds of people who will continue to talk about cold war without actually without actually in fact I would say that in America there are and in Europe there are people who are realists on the score that they have evaluated the stability and the progress being made both in China and Russia and recognize this as a kind of a phenomena which should the truth should be expected and not become cold war warriors there is no place for cold war warriors now and they can shout and scream and make fake stories and plant articles and plant stories but they will get nowhere this is my this is my unfortunately minority view of of what is