 And we are live Hello and ready to chat about stone of tears I don't you've been on my channel so many times But if you would like to introduce yourself for anyone that doesn't like I don't want to deprive you of the opportunity Okay, cool, so stone of tears is the second book in the sort of truth and And Shall we do like non-spoiler for a good like 15 minutes and then dive into Obviously like there will have to be spoilers for wizard's first role, right? But if people haven't finished this book We can do that. What yeah first Good thank you for appreciating my artistry. It's a great bum now Bethany and I were just talking about how the cover art like nobody actually looks like the characters on these covers And that we look as much if not more like the characters then these images So yeah stone of tears I I said before when I was rereading wizards first rule So like I reread I I read wizards first rule longer ago Same sit and so then last month when I read that I was like Okay, that's not as good as I remember where a stone of tears I read we both read it last year So that's quite recent and I was like, I'm pretty sure my mind will not have changed in the span of like less than a year And I was right like it's I liked it and actually Bumped up its rating whereas wizards first rule I bumped it down. I Think I did the same actually Yeah, no same. I really I also think this is a much stronger book. Hey Watch you could make it. Well, it is I mean his writing got better and also as we talked about like Richard his kind of like not that he doesn't continue to grow But like he kind of becomes Richard by the end of first wizards first rule and after that he like Adds tools to his kit, but he's like Richard. Yeah, and so like beginning a wizards first rule when he's like unbaked Raw dough Richard you're like, mmm. No Confusing okay, you mean like because there is a stone of tears in the universe of will of time Or something I don't know. I would be confusing. That's my guess. That's interesting But yeah, no, I I agree. I think it's better I think the pacing is better or the characters are more developed. There's a lot happens in this book Like well, honestly, I every time so this is the third time reading it for you as well I think yeah, and I want to say every single Obviously the first time I can't have had expectations But the second and third times I keep forgetting how long it takes for him to finally get to the palace of the prophet Same I kept thinking about that. It's only like the last No, but it's only like the last third of the book or so that he's actually in the palace of the And I kept thinking I was as I was reading I was like, okay Well, soon you're gonna get to my favorite part, you know where he's at the palace of the prophets And I was like because I was reading it on Kindle and I kept looking at the percentage marker I was like, he's still not No It takes and then once he's there, it's like boom boom boom things happen so fast Well, it also like once he's there it stops cutting back to Kaylin so much So I think it takes a long time to get there because we keep cutting back to Kaylin and keep cutting back to Zed Right and when he finally gets there then we like kind of just do that for a bit So I kind of know why I feel like so much of the book takes place there because it does It just takes a while to get there and then like it's like that Exclusively that for a good chunk. That's true. I think that's true. We're not switching. Oh, there's a fortress called stona Is it stone of tear as in like tearing or is it stone of tear like Or does it matter? Maybe it doesn't matter. That's funny though Um Oh, uh, because the Richard is unbaked dough Yeah But yeah, yeah, I feel like I've been talking a lot. Go ahead tell us No, I feel like I hadn't talked to I think we've both been talking. I Yeah, no, I mean, I think this one is a lot more It it holds up better. It's more fun to read I do think because I had just read it last year and I won't get super specific till again to like spoilers, but I think Last year when I reread it for the first time in like a really long time I was kind of like whoa like this there's a lot of You know, like weird Stuff and sexual assault, but it is no temple of the winds True um, but then I think because It's only been a year since I read it this time Like I it didn't stand out to me as much and I think it's just because I was kind of like expecting it to be there Uh Well, I think this too So like the first book is introducing us to everybody. His writing is introducing itself to itself Also, like I said before that um both richards like not being really like fully richard yet and also um them like falling in love versus just like it's established like we're not going to worry about it Like there's things to worry about they get in the way, but the will they or won't they Don't love that about wizards first. It's not bad But I'm just like can we just get to the part? We just establish that you guys are a thing and then just be a thing for like 50 books because like It's fine So I like then this one too like it's not like any like shy girl shy boy. Does he like me? Does she like me? It's just like we we know it. I love you. You love me. We know this So here well here it's more the like is he gonna stay faithful even though they're separated like that's more the conflict But even then like I don't like that's not untrue, but that's not even how I would describe like the vibe Yeah, because it's it's more that he's stupid Honestly, I'm so in this one. I maybe because I like remembered feeling that way I felt that way less but when I reread it last year, I had forgotten how blockheaded he is for how long And like I remember last year when I read it being like freaking finally you figure out your emotional situation Uh But uh this time around I don't know because I guess I remembered from last year that he's gonna he's gonna be in his feelings for a while Yeah Yeah But yeah, so I wanted to clarify also I hate a lot of the cover art for wizards first or for sort of truth I don't hate the cover art for this. I do just think that this doesn't look anything like richard So like I this is one of the few Like covers that I think is a very nice looking cover. I just don't think that looks like richard No I know it's a A good kind wanted you to know that he researched horses a lot Yeah, yes, yeah for real. That's true I mean, he tends to be most stupid about just things concerning himself personally Like he's like a blind spot with himself. Uh, he makes better about assessing other people situations And can we just talk about how um again no spoilers yet, but like Richard and kayland. That's great. Whatever. Um, but my favorite like, I don't know friendship or like pairing is richard and verna Like I love verna so much. Yeah, I like verna too I think well, I think what's great about verna is you don't like her at the beginning. Yes, richard is blonde Yes, excuse um But like you hate verna at the beginning and you just love her by the end like he does such a good job But it's done well. It's like you just get to know her better I feel like her whole character arc is great. Yeah, well that's I mean We've talked before and we'll talk about it tonight again in depth, especially when we get to spoilers Um, but his strong suit if he has one which people some say he has none But his strong suit I do think is characters then and it's not just individual characters and like portraying them but there are dynamics and relationships and how they shift and how they Transform and how they grow or whatever like he's very good at the people stuff I agree also priscilla, I agree with you kailyn is such a badass like I I really love kailyn honestly and that's one thing is I think he writes great female characters and Not I mean even now there aren't that many I mean, but even then like there's a lot of sisters at the palace of the prophets that like you don't even spend very much time with But I do feel like they aren't cardboard cutouts like even the ones that barely get a couple of mentions I feel like I I have an image of what kind of know what they're like yeah, yeah, like there's a lot of variety to them and Yes, I think he does a really good job of writing female characters and like even today There are not that many guys writing fantasy who write great female characters And certainly when he was doing it there weren't very many doing it So I just also feminist soap boxing Like are you sure your wife didn't help you with this or beta read for you? Maybe she did I but I appreciate it. It's fun But it's it's the heavy and we talked about the heavy romance them the amount of female characters and also the amount of times Female characters like own men or like rant about women's rights like It's just like I'm like, are you sure? That karate villain looking dude on the back wrote this It's a lot. Well, and even just stuff like I mean considering especially this was written in like the 90s, right? And Richard being like, yeah, I don't have a problem also killing women I mean, but but you know, but it's like it's like What a guy You know, you know what I mean, though? It's like he doesn't have like this like Protective sexist thing happening like and him and Kayla and our partners which I also love I love It's 1995. So yeah, this was there. Yeah mid 90s But I love their relationship so much Once it is established because they're both like badasses on their own right and they care about each other and support each other And like he's not over protective. He just like a little bit But then she's always like well, you can't stop me. He's like He's like good point fair point. Okay I like it look Very good guy And then also, uh animal companions But I mean obviously like the standout is gratch but like even um You feel like the thing about the horses like you feel like you're kind of bonded with them And if like if something were to happen to them, you'd be upset about it You know and like honestly like I feel as a reader You know when there's just like horses in a fantasy book. I'm like, okay That's just you know, it's it's like having a Nissan like that's just how you get around in this world um And then like I feel like I along with a verna go from being like it's just like a vehicle to get us from here to there Uh to with her being like, how dare you mishandle that horse like that is my friend. Yeah I like it Yeah, the animal stuff is good, but gratch is like, oh, it's so hard like that scene is so heartbreaking Which we'll we'll talk about but even before anytime gratch is on page like literally from the first time You see gratch and like all the descriptions of like his wings wilting and him looking up with big eyes And I was like I literally I can feel my face being like He's and he like gives richard hugs and I'm like, oh, you're so cute Oh Yeah, and Kaelin's horse too Yeah, and you know, we got a lot of mud people in this one which like they were more Like characters in the plot rather than like a pit stop to like Right acquire knowledge. Yeah. Well, and I think we also get more sort of soap boxing on the fantasy un that um Kaelin leads in this book as well Yeah, I just that also I love that he has a fantasy un that she's the queen of like I'm here for it Um Yeah, so non-spoiler anything else. We haven't talked about zed really at all. Um, he's great He's always he's always great Um and him and addy are just funny Well and without spoilers uh just quickly and then we can talk about like Spoiler should do with this but I do think that the way that we have been presented with new perspectives on how to view magic In this world and the way that those complicate and and challenge what you learned about in the first book and then also The views you learned about in the first book challenge the new views that you were presented with and how you see them Sort of in conversation and conflict with each other throughout the book and in not very like black and white way like they're clearly wrong It's not that. Yeah Which I really like. Yeah, it's it's uh well, it's it's interesting too because I think even Even like the way they because in this book one of the things they talk more about introduced further is the idea of prophecy and You know, we get a little more insight into how prophecy actually works and what it is but I think Do I love? I love Nathan. Nathan is wonderful also, um But I I do think it's interesting Because you know, we go from book one where we know that richard is like, I don't trust prophecy. I don't trust riddles and Then in this book, I think you see was like he says that a lot still He does I mean, that's true. He does even though he himself literally like the final chapters He's still saying like I am not doing xyz based on some riddle and you're like richard and it's not about to change But um, but I think what you see is that uh warren I look I love warren also I love all the characters. They're great. There's so many good characters But like warren is our like our our sweet nerd warren is laszlo strange. Yeah He has 100 i love him so much Maybe that's why I liked laszlo so much because I was like subconsciously. I was like, I know this this is warren It's like this is warren getting his own book Yeah Yeah, but the um the prophecy stuff is interesting because I think what you realize is that it's Not straightforward and doesn't what we should be kind of new but like in new ways like doesn't always mean what you think It's gonna mean or Can happen in more than one way I don't know what we're omg'ing about yet, but something maybe warren Or laszlo We're out about 15 minutes. So like any last non-spoiler thoughts before I just like driving in Yeah, I mean, I don't know if there's like anything else specific What I want to say, but um, this was fun I enjoyed it And it is a market step up from pretty much every every perspective like there isn't anything that I would say Um, it did everything better except wizards first rule did this better like everything is better. Yeah Yeah I I do think Okay, I guess one thing that we should talk about and this is my like biggest critique of This well, it's not just this book. It's like the world in general But I think it gets heavily introduced in this book I think my biggest critique of it is that it's like a very much a gender binary system and like the magic is very gender binary and like It's you know, like that like like you have to do like Dark stuff to be able to get the magic of another gender It is interesting though that he has built in a mechanism to achieve that but it's not entirely impossible like Right, but I mean you have to do like bad things. Yeah. Yeah, so it's and I was thinking to myself about this this time Because we had talked about it a kind of a lot when we read stone of tears. Yeah, and I was thinking to myself like how um Not that like if they adapted or anything to rewrite it But more just like if I was Terry good kind and I had been writing this Is there a way to basically tell the exact same story and not have that really be so much of a part of it? And I was just thinking about how like well, you have different types of magic user So that if the sisters of the light were just a different type of magic user But there are a lot of little things like Uh, shall we dive into spoilers because yeah, let's do it. Is that moment? So last warning spoilers go away Okay, um that realization that Richard has that like They're very like free and easy about letting them, you know sleep around with the sisters We're with like horse in the village and he's like they're breeding like they're trying to get wizards Oh So like that doesn't work so much if they were if it was just like men and women all acolytes of like the creator That would like that you couldn't have that point But I don't know that you need to have that point But like that wouldn't be possible anymore But otherwise you could have them be you know Like that they learned magic and weren't born with it because that was established in the first book that There are people who can like learn to be wizards But they aren't born with the gift versus people who are born with the gift So like all of the sisters slash if now there would be brothers or like if all the people of the light Were just like they had learned to use magic, but they weren't but they weren't Well, because then you could just have them breeding wizards period right like trying to So yeah, I mean, I think there are ways to format it where that you don't run into that trouble that problem, but um or you know Have I mean look they really can't catch a break. Oh, there's there's no rest That will continue. Yeah. No, I do tend to like I sometimes think about like the the timing of stuff. Um And timing becomes important obviously when he figures out time at the Palace of the Prophets and like he does spend a long It's unclear exactly how long but a long time traveling there Uh, which is like in contrast to in the morning you defeat dark and roll in the evening You are with the moon people and two days later. You're headed to the Palace of the Prophets Right, right, but then it takes a while to get there and then he's there for like months at least Well getting there and then being there and then being there. Yeah It's not short. Well, it is short compared to how long warren has been there Yes, also, okay, can we talk about the fact that like It's a little dumb that richard didn't figure out the time thing earlier because he had met What's his name? I feel like you could just open with it's a little dumb that richard and say any number of things Oh My gosh, what was I'm trying to think now. What's his name the other wizard that we don't like Jedediah Jedediah well like because he knew who Jedediah was Traveling with sister verna. So when he met Jedediah and saw that he still looked super young like He should have had an inkling. Oh, but he didn't it was only later that he figured out Jedediah was the one That she I mean they have the name like she talked about my name Like it's just it seemed like he didn't realize until the end when Again spoilers when they kill him because when he was like was he the guy because it was being dumb I'm like, he's got the same name. Like, yeah, she did say Jedediah. I was trying to think you ever named him No, she did she named she named him. Yeah, I was like, come on, dude Figure it out I mean I guess but also he could have thought that I don't know magic keeping him like her vanity like the magic version of plastic surgery Yes, I don't know or that like maybe she was already a bit robbing the cradle when she left Maybe but he also knew she'd been gone for like years and he looks like he's like 19 or something So I don't know. I that was weird. Yeah, Richard's a little dim sometimes He he can't be yeah. Yeah um Yeah about a year. Yeah, I mean, I think it's something like that Um, well, I don't think he's at the palace for a year I think like close to that because it is like months go by Yeah, but I mean, I think if we include the journeying and the coming back Maybe maybe a year. No, I mean about what Klan's been up to. I don't think that was taking a year. Well, but well I don't know. I mean because like I don't know that piece of it may not be great But the way it's written it sounds like Richard is at the palace of the prophet for like at least several months If not, yeah, so like in my head it like took a month to get there and then he spent like six months there and then like he Yeets on back to jihara Right. Well, while everybody else takes four or five hundred years to train. He's like a few months um, um piece now I do like I mean, it's not it doesn't mean that it's a good thing in the book But I kind of respect the way that he writes into it Like it's it's a cheat in a lot of books to have like a magic user and not understand their powers And I love that it's literally like well, you are this one special kind of wizard and only you Don't actually don't actually know how to use your powers and in fact, it's worse if you know So you're just gonna have to like feel it and just go with your instincts and that's how All you have to do is accept who you are and well, you'll be good Like that's your main problem. I mean, I I like that. It's well. It's what it's like calling yourself out for that They're like, yeah He's not going to learn anything because he doesn't need to but also that like instead of him just being The most powerful wizard in a long time. He's a special different kind of wizard that nobody else is So I'm like Like is that making even more of like a Mary Sue specialist special? Yes But it's not just that he's better than everybody else. He's different from everybody else. So like yeah He's got subtractive magic. I mean, I mean again with the naming in this universe Additive and subtractive magic Like the the weird, you know, like growing it makes it real easy to teach Like that can be how they function, but that they're called that is like Okay, it makes the books very accessible It does I was like, this sounds like if you asked your kids what make belief game They were playing and how it works. They'd be like, well, this is adding magic and this is taking away magic I mean 100 yeah Yep Yep Well, I also feel like I mean the the climates of where they're at is also really really different Yeah Okay, Priscilla, this is this is smart The end of wizards first rules the first day of winter the new evil deadline is the winter solstice. So it's either a few months or over a year I mean look Good point. Yes Actually, it would have to be a year because like between winter. Well, we don't know Yeah, I mean if this is like westeros then like winter lasts like 16 years I mean, do you really think that terry good kind like did that? I was gonna say like the between the first day of winter and winter solstice That would be like weeks and we know it takes at least months. So it has to be a year. It has to be like a year. Yeah Good call priscilla All right Oh, yeah, I think this is to do with like him being a war wizard. Yeah, which like, um I didn't want to make this joke or like, uh, not or tell about it's not anyway I didn't want to mention this in wizards first rule because like we didn't know he's a war wizard yet But like, uh, I was reading these books with my roommate in college and like, uh She was like getting a little tired of it So she was like went to some forum or people were talking about the books and some guy Had commented like I am so sick of richard being a war wizard You're like then stop reading because all of these books are about him and he is a war wizard Oh, man It's when he brings balance to the floor. I mean, yeah, yeah Oh, so, you know what I was thinking I don't think I ever I mean We do know that richard is shocked that there is a place that is hot and sunny even though it's winter Well, but or do you mean wizard sand like the well, I think we're talking about anakin and his position on sand Be a course in it getting everywhere. I mean, he's not wrong I mean mostly richard's mind was blown by the existence of a desert Yeah And this whole thing of like, of course you and also him being like the like Sweet country lad from the small town who's never seen or heard of an ocean And is mesmerized by like wow and like it's not magic making the waves Wow, I'm like, oh boy I mean, I love how in love with life you are. That's great. I think it's adorable. I love it Uh, oh shoot. I had like a thought and now I've lost it. It'll come back. It'll come back. It's fine But yeah, so like since I had read this last year, it was pretty fresh in my brain So and as we were coming up on the deadline and we both have us finish this book today Yes, right on time. But um, I I did Like more so skim the chapters with kaolin and I did not skim the I mean, that's fair. I really like the parts in the palace of the prophet also. He's such a silly goose, but he's not I mean, yeah, but the only reason he's not a goose then is because much like rey in rise of skywalker She is all of the jedi. He is all of the seekers Maybe that's where jj brim's got the idea. He read some sort of truth books and is No, you know or well or he got it from she who must not be named But this came first Yeah, but do you I'm assuming maybe that's where she got it That is very possible actually But uh, everybody gets their ideas from sort of truth. I love how every time we do one of these we have like new theories about who's pulling from sort of truth I mean it is also just that like these are kind of like very general basic fantasy. I mean, yeah But um, but so like we talked a little bit in the non-spoiler section about like how we good He is at developing characters and at developing character relationships and them growing and changing But I do think despite the like somewhat absurd Levels of it. Yeah, he's pretty good at pretty naturally loving leveling his characters up Like richard is a mary sue and he does like level up like a stupid amount But it also doesn't feel entirely unearned like it doesn't feel like he was just handed some powers one day and like Wow, I'm just like the most powerful There are times when it fails him or he doesn't get how it works or like He gets his ass handed to him because he really doesn't know what he's doing So like there is a learning curve with him and he's often his own worst enemy So like by the time he levels up it doesn't feel like of course he leveled up Like I always feel very satisfied when he levels up. I feel like we worked for it. I agree I agree. I also really like the prelate. She is one of my favorite Characters in this. I don't I mean other than the sisters of the dark Like that's why the palace of the prophets is like because Nathan's there Vern is there like all the conversations around and Warren is there and all the conversations just about how how they view like magic and its relationship to their faith and then Contrasting with what we knew before and and richards like adamant refusal to accept that Well, and then we find out the fact that like the prelate new richards dad like Yeah, and Which is a nice payoff because like yeah, we knew that richards dad Went to get the book, but we were like, how did he get it? He's not a magic user. Yeah, someone helped him So it's a nice payoff. It is I was also this got me thinking because I I never read them But didn't he also write a spin-off series series called like the nicky chronicles or something So we meet nicky in this book. She doesn't have like a huge role But and the show decided the show made nicky the main sister of the light that he's interacting with verna as well But like it was like mainly nicky and verna Whereas she's not a big character in here, but we do know that she's like super sexy I know because of the show I every time I read it I keep expecting nicky to be important in it And I think in the even in these books she comes back into it Like he meets nicky again in the later books. Yeah, she's one of the ones that went off on vote um We'll see how we do see how those see how the year goes, but uh Yeah Yeah, I know Well, you do see that, right? I mean like this is definitely something where you see like residual trauma ptsd Yeah, and I like that too the fact that it seemed or like it could easily be A very cheap trick again. We're like, well you partitioned his mind Therefore he is totes fine and like it's a little bit that because he is more fine than he should be But then the fact that this comes back and denna's like look He's way more fine than he should be but he is not fine Right the fact that it does come back from this way And so like yeah, he's a little bit like a little dumb about like realizing things But it is also believably read like He just like illogical trauma reaction where like you are not being rational anymore because like lost the ability to be Rational when it concerns specific issues So he's not just like like shake it off like totes fine He got tortured, but it's in beady like he shook it off A bit, but like it's still with him. Yeah I do think One thing that's that that's just occurring to me that's interesting because like in book one You do sort of this gender flipped thing, right? Where he's the one being sort of like dominated by the mordsith and everything and then in this book He's doing he ends up having to do this thing that I feel like women more often do which is like put off a person in like With power over him Who wants to sleep with him? No, I thought about that too and just not even yeah that that in both books It happens where like there's like denna gets her way and the sisters don't but they try and the fact that repeatedly Richard Is like there are superiors that like that's a tricky thing to navigate and you can't say no Sometimes like either physically like he couldn't with denna or he or like he's thinking to himself like It'll be an awkward relationship with my like teacher if she's like offended But also like I don't want to sleep with her and you're like it's yeah, it's unusual to see it Yeah, it's interesting. It's interesting whereas so he ends up being sort of like I just need time Like like under my heart is broken. Give me time And I'm like would you want me if I could just like forget my first love, you know Give me a minute and then she's like maybe if I lived for a hundred years and she's like I was like, okay, I'll wait and he still doesn't figure it out because he's dumb He's so dumb But yeah, I thought that was kind of interesting the like role reversal there Yeah And also just the fact that like he went to like wizard school And had sexy times meanwhile the girl went and was the general of an army and like Decided to take the admittance to war It's definitely a reversal in like what you would expect this couple to go off their separate ways to do It's I mean, I love the like the the like feminist Like there's so much feminism and that's honestly well and all of that. I also actually really like I think it's so interesting That in this kaolin teaches these like newbie soldiers I can't now I can't think of the word for it But yeah, like guerrilla warfare basically and the whole thing of like painting themselves So they look like spirits like I just I I thought that whole thing was great The way that like the mud people coming into it as like having both previously Like needed to basically do guerrilla warfare Right, um them being kind of experts and then like I remember like I was expecting it this time But both the first time and the second time I read it because the second time I had forgotten that one of the mud people is a bane link and that surprised me every time and that's That's one of the biggest like the sister is betraying rich Is like whoa But like because you have it foreshadowed that you know What are these sisters is is the purple eyed one and you don't know which one it is because he keeps not telling you Who it is which also I think like is I love the like Mystery plot the like who done it plot that's there the whole time because then it just makes everything more exciting And it's the person that he totally trusts. Yeah, and that too Like I could believe him trusting even though we didn't see a ton of her I was like down with lilyana being like chill and I liked her too. So she was well written It wasn't like Anyway, but point being like there is like you can tell there's like shifty things going on the files of the profits You know their sisters of the dark you keep getting like flashes to other chapters where they are like skinning wizards alive So you like you know their stuff up Yeah, but you did not ever expect any of the mud people that are with kaolin to be bane links No, well, and I think I did remember That it happened this time I did but the first time I mean the first time I didn't know in the last year When I read it I forgot But it was interesting because I did remember I it made me nervous It's like every time he was like here have some of this soup. You're so tired and you need to nourish your body and I'm like no Tony Yeah Because like again like that's the one where That's why I forgot and I didn't pick up on it the last year when I reread it because there's like there's no hint There's no clue So Yeah, well, there kind of is I mean I feel like but she kind of brushes it off, right? It's like he's kind of weird with her A couple times And she's not in a way. I don't think he's unbending. No, that's true. That's true But she like brushes all of the little hints away as like, oh, it doesn't mean anything Yeah, yeah Um Okay, we haven't really talked about that that isn't in it that much no in this book not as much Well, I mean because they lose their memory because there's the whole plot of them having this like bad magic Which is funny. I mean that is always a comic relief. So even those chapters of them being like, who are we? Who are you? Do I know you like? Uh, well in the fact that kaylan almost killed them or had them killed Well, and again, okay, so this part it also feels like a woman would have written that yeah being like reclaiming Yeah And like when uh, even like when the general on her side is like look my men are gonna be discharged Like if you think your men are gonna be started, how do you think the people we were attacking are going to feel? He's like good point And then she's like give me a sword. Like you're gonna have a sword. She's like, I'm gonna be naked on a horse I think I need a sword. He's like also a good point Yep, no, I yeah, I thought it was really good yeah I mean nobody talks about this but like You know like they're super feminist Because I mean they're a little dated and a little obvious in their in their feminism and again soap boxing isn't necessarily like a thing that I would say is a positive about a book when you feel like it's yelling at you But like for a 90s fantasy written by a dude that looks like they're a good guy I mean, wow, like it's pretty That's good I like it and again, I like the way that all of the the female characters all feel any more deep But like all the female characters feel like distinct human different people and so like it's hard, you know Writing characters well is like one level but then like sometimes they're good at it when it's dudes And then it's just like but then there's some females that are just like it would be so easy And I would even forgive it for the most part if the sister is other than like verna and pasha And and the prelate if everyone else was just kind of like vaguely sisters I'd be like well, they're not Important to the plot so like I get it But even he spends time giving us a rundown on the personalities of all of the women that are teaching him And then circles back to being like and this is then at what I gave them as a gift because that's how they would have reacted to it And like I feel like I have a good sense of this like wide variety of people he's interacting with Yeah Well, and I also think it would be really easy For pasha to be just sort of a villain in some ways and she's not like she's got a lot of nuance to her And I also always forget that she dies I mean And it's warren that kills her I know I can't remember like if we see more with warren later because I don't remember I haven't it's like I haven't Yeah, this is this is the only one I've reread Yeah, we see we see the prelate. We see nathan. We see warren like we see nicky again We see a lot of these people I want warren to like find somebody And the way that it's like this book sets up what is to come like because dark and raw Was like already overstated welcome as being the big bad of the he's like beyond the grave still that I know Yeah, so we're setting up the the imperial order and uh, what will be a gang like in the Later books and like that's where nicky will come back and They will all come back and the old world is now not separated from the new world because Richard got Richard got rid of the which wizards second rule worse consequences from best of intentions Look what you would have now introduced Like it's not going to be separate anymore. You welcomed them in whatever they're gonna do Yeah Yeah Yep, so we'll see What happens Yeah, I don't remember I don't think I remember a whole lot I remember like a bits and pieces of future books Well, and I mean obviously like this book also sets up the blood of the fold because we have a whole backstory with Addie who she explains her past which is on her little payoff at the end with the message from the you know From the dead from pal I also like that we have older characters who still find love and happiness Slash everybody like wasn't to get it on with zed apparently. He's a good looking silver fox. I guess And he's always so like, uh, you know Complimentary of addie too when she's like back when I was young and pretty he was like you're still a handsome woman And you know like it doesn't make any difference and like I mean he's kind of about people the way he's about food Like he's not very picky But you like I think you love him because of it. You think he's he's just he's great. Um Yeah, but I like I Which is why the first time you read it or if you forgot the second time you read it That like it is so shocking when zed grabs kaolin by the hair and is like and you know There's a prophecy that says she's gonna get beheaded and he's like i'm gonna take you and you're gonna get beheaded You're like, he's the one that carries out this profit. Yeah He's doing it right now. Why like zed of all people Which is pretty much what richard's reaction is like, oh, so this didn't really happen because that was zed. All right, great I don't need to kill myself He was about to roam you and julie at himself and then he was like, hang on. I should ask some questions. Yeah go seeker of truth Also, I think it's funny that he just like grew her hair back for her Oh, yeah Like we didn't have to deal with like but also I didn't think of this the first two times I read it, but I was like, why didn't zed grow her hair back for her? Why did richard have to do it? Oh, yeah Well, do they have their map? Well, he must have his magic back because he did an illusion He did a pretty complicated illusion. Yeah Rude Maybe he didn't think about it Or he was like a bit of a mood Yeah, well and also like richard really likes her hair. So maybe he was like, oh No, not your hair. Let me grow this thing that I love about you. Let me fix that Yeah, maybe but then she didn't like his beard. So I mean, it's clearly put there to have like a quick demonstration of see I can do additive hair And attractive hair god. Yeah Although pasha likes the beard Well, pasha did I mean, yeah And gratch doesn't gear either way I do you think it's kind of funny that like people are mostly clean shaven In in this because I just don't feel like that's as common Slash practical because they're only on quests Right. No, I mean, well, that's that's also true But also I just think like culturally it makes sense though because like I feel like culturally in the 90s there was a lot more of like this If you want to be taken seriously as a dude, you should be clean shaven and that's just not true anymore So That's kind of interesting. I just feel I mean, I feel like heroes In fantasy slash like star wars and things like the key the good guys have tenor voices and are clean shaven The villains have beards and our bass voices. Those are the rules But I think that's why is because there was this idea of like, oh, well, like a like a clean cut Good guy would be clean. You know, I mean like there was whereas now I I just feel like the perceptions. Well, so I actually thought So I actually thought it was the opposite that like because she's in hiding and they don't want anyone to know that she's alive But maybe he was like a little better like leave it cut because then also if that's the case like Richard not thinking through the consequences here of Growing her hair back for her. She can wear a scarf Yeah Also the villains of british excellence. Yeah Yes, which is why the show Craig Horner was so pissed that Craig whatever his name is who played dark and raw got to keep his accent and richard didn't He was like, why does he get to keep his accent because he's the villain villains get to be british Yeah I mean, I would have been super behind an australian richard, but no one asked me No I'm trying to think other things Well, I mean, we haven't really talked about like I said that I liked it But I think it was in the non-spoiler section just about how Their relationship to the magic is different from what we learned about and different from what richard and kaolin Or anybody in the midlands thinks like it's becomes a very sort of like Catholic kind of thing and the way that like yes, you hear from people like said that Oh, they're all crazy and they're all just like trying to get their own way and nathan says a little bit of that But like you're also when you hear from them Like when you talk to when you talk to the prela when you talk to verna and verna is a little horrified to learn Kind of like what they've been up to and on the way that like she doesn't believe all this anymore It's more just like oh, but they were up to stuff that I didn't know But like it doesn't come off as like they are 100 wrong and you can only be a good guy If you completely disavow everything the sisters of the light think and do because verna and the prela are good guys and like they still think Basically what they thought before just like with a little nuance a little bit less Yeah, no, well, which again, I mean, it's it's interesting Cranky doc tells another shrimp on the barbie Anyway, um, yeah, no, I mean, I do think it's interesting though Because if you continue with the fact that he's sort of like flipping Gender norms on everything. It's interesting with that piece of it as well because right like often Religious organizations feel like women need to be controlled, right? Like the women are the ones who like they're dangerous if they're You know not taught correctly or not like, you know, put in the right circumstances and so in this case, it's men because all the wizards are men and Uh, so it is also this conflict right between like, oh like Who you are is a gift and you should just be free versus like no like something about you is dangerous And it needs to be corralled in the specific way. Um, so like the Kind of the way it's commenting on that is interesting. Well, it's also commenting on the like having Magic in the midlands the way it was presented to us originally in the way that richard and kaolin and zed And I'll still think about it about it just like, oh, there's different powers They do different things and you know kind of you need to understand them all and how they work together Versus like treating something like prophecy as almost like religious scripture That you need to study and unpack what like warren is doing and nathan Like there's that whole conversation with warren. Um, and he's like Excited that richard gets it that like just because you translate it doesn't mean that you have the correct meaning and then like and then if you have People arguing about a translation like what are they even arguing about when they may not have had the nuance in the first place So that it just gets like further and further away from the original and you heard and it sets up very early Like the first thing the book does is have nathan be like prophecy doesn't work like that You have to see it because that's the full picture and if you only write it down you have no idea what's going on That's the first thing you learn so that every other reference to prophecy. You're like, it's us because like if that's not the full story right Yeah, which you know, which again is like interesting to if it's commenting on Religious texts in general and the way that like translation and the way things are approached matters And can make like a huge difference in what people take away from it So what also a commentary very huge commentary on the hubris of anyone that thinks they have the right answer when they've studied What they think is the right religious text where like nathan is the first to say that like Okay, but that's not it though Like that's if you think that because you studied 500 years you studied what people wrote down You still don't even have it like that's not it so to be so confident that I know it's going to happen I'm the relative the sisters of the light whatever. It's like you don't know anything Yeah, well and then like by the same token the fact that like there might be these arguments of like Oh, well, it's this no, it's this no, it's this which happens in the church And then in this case we have like warren and richard and richard's like Richard is a trifecta He contains multitudes actually He brings forth So we did and we talked about this before more to do with the mud people now with the bakaban mana there is like uncomfortable depictions of like That It's but and I like I almost like I was reading it and I kind of wanted to highlight it and then I was like I'll just remember it. It's not hard to remember when like they he rescues douchialou, right and they're like They have a bath or whatever. So she puts her dress on and like she's like clean now and he thinks to himself that like He literally like the sentence literally says that she looks no less like a savage But there's a nobility about her and I was like the noble savage like literally the noble savage Oh, no, I Miss that line. Oh my gosh Yeah, I was like, oh, that's too. Uh, that's too like if anyone argues that he doesn't have the noble savage thing He literally called her a noble savage But hey at least instead of polygamy. It's polyandry Only for her though because she's the spirit woman or whatever. Yeah. Yeah um Yeah, yeah Uh, but yeah, I mean that's and her she's like you're my husband and everyone is like you have a wife So don't listen to her. She's not no He's like she's not really except when he first talks to posh and he's like I have a wife She's like you have a wife He was like, yeah, no matter like three days Wait, what Which like honestly is one of my favorite things throughout the book is like or any actually anytime in sort of truth Like richard will do a thing and then later someone learns about it But in like an offhand way or in an accidental way and they're like, I'm sorry. You did what now? And he's like, oh, yeah, I did this thing No big deal Like when um verna learns that he turned the sword white and like he didn't tell her originally like he purposely didn't And then when she finds it, she's like what you did what and he was like, yeah, you know And that's how I killed someone. I like I can add to like love them Well, like when he's like, he's like, I'm the bringer of death emo moment and she's like you What did you just say? He's like I'm the bringer of death. I kill people. I bring death. I'm the bringer of death She's like prophecy is mind exploding I Except for he according to verna, he lies. I know she's like that's a filthy lie. Yeah I love his reaction because like a lot of the time he is, you know, like confused or Mr. Goody twos shoes But compared that's why I love his interactions with verna because when uh, it's like about the melon and about them being like You know, thinking he's a wizard and and she's like, how dare you tell a lie? He's like, look, I thought it was better than everybody killing each other She's like it was a lie and lies are wrong and he's like, do you think killing is better because those were the option And she like doesn't want to eat the melon. It's like it was bought by lies. He's like, whatever Well, and I think there's I think at 1.2 Like he calls her on the fact that like the sisters had been lying about a thing and he was like, oh about those lies Like aren't they really bad? But yeah, it's hard. It's very rare that there's the miscommunication trope with richard because he'll usually tell you Yeah, it's usually that like he didn't think something was important enough to mention or something Yeah, that's true It's just funny which like also I love the way that because like richard already is pretty like He hates the sisters But the way he hates him is a really unnuanced uneducated kind of hatred He's like you put me in a collar therefore I hate you therefore we're enemies versus with Nathan who has an intimate knowledge of How the sisters work like what he says about them is a lot more interesting a lot more telling Because like richard is just like richard needs to calm down. Maybe it's not so bad Maybe maybe they have some good information. Stop it. But Nathan is like, oh, yeah You know, they don't tend to bother too much with truth Like that's not really like sometimes occasionally if they must they'll dip into some truth Like that's how Nathan talks about them. You're like, oh boy Also, can we talk about the fact that Nathan wrote a children's book to give to like select descendants of his? To help them learn important life loss Is it the adventures of Bonnie day or whatever? Yeah, yeah Yeah Because it wasn't like quality literature Yeah, right if someone had told her that Nathan wrote it she would be like What? Yeah Yep It's so sad when he like sends him away and then suddenly has the epiphany like I was gonna say I think it's very well done that in a not completely instantly obvious way that that's what's gonna make richard You know, it's I feel like, you know worse books will like put a thing in like Oh, this is gonna be the thing that like makes him like it never Like would have occurred to me and didn't when I reread it Like him meeting gratch is all going to amount to a moment where he's gonna have to send gratch away And then that's what's gonna make it like I didn't see that like immediately is like the thing that's gonna Circle back Yeah Yeah, but it's like it was like a heartbreaking moment But then a long I love the way it describes that he's like Overjoyed that kaylan loves him and heartbroken about gratch all at once Like and then also immediately finds out that he's gonna be aging hundreds of years And she's gonna be he's like I just found out that she loves me Guys, would I not have a day? Sorry, no I really I really enjoy how the prelate like Just moves people and pieces around like she just Well, according to zed, that's something wizards have to be good at Yeah, but I mean, I love too that the he chose to let us know that when she's gonna be mean to verna That she doesn't want to be yeah Either way you have that whole scene from her perspective where she's like give me the strength to say these mean mean things to verna And even when she does like your heart's breaking and it would break anyway If it was on his perspective but seeing it from the prelate's perspective who's like I know you're strong enough to take this. I'm so sad that I have to do this There's so much of which I guess is a repeated theme, right? There's a lot of people doing thing hurting people To help them or for the greater good in this book. It's kind of a A lot of that going on Yep I was just thinking if this book was written today, you know that he would publish a companion book that was the adventures of bonny day Yes, oh, I kind of wish we got that that would be fun Yep But at least well we talked about gars being named gars because they're gargoyles But at least gratch his name isn't some commentary on his appearance like scarlet the red dragon So yay for that I mean Isn't it though? I mean it kind of it's kind of like A blend of like gar and scratch I feel like it just comes off as like a noise that he's able to make because he can't say richard He can't say love but like gratch is a noise he can make so like that would be a noise that he would Be able to identify as himself It's great great It's so cute He is I remember always thinking of the worst was we're super terrifying you know Also, I love how we have a sort of cloak of invisibility I mean he's literally a wizard school with an invisibility cloak I mean Okay, wait, wait, wait, when did also dark and raw killed his parents Okay, when did those books come out like was it just there was something in the air? Now I want to know I'm like I don't know interesting. Okay, so book one of The she who must not be named series came out in 1997 So two years after this in a coffee shop on a napkin. She already like well supposedly so either something was in Nagini's plotline supposedly so like either something was in the air or Maybe she read Sort of chief books. I don't know It's interesting Yeah, the cloak is fun Yeah, I'm sad that like because I really do like the environment of the palace of the prophets It feels like one of the most like fantasy escapist things. I think that's why I like it so much Like I really feel when I read stone of tears and he's at the palace of the prophets that I'm like In a fantasy world like I have been transported there It feels like a lush environment to explore That is filled with interesting people that I want to know about when he describes how the palace looks like I feel like I'm there And I feel like it's not earth and I feel like I'm in a magical place Like honestly like um, I was actually well speaking of she who must not be named I was thinking to myself that like the kind of thing that people describe as being the the biggest appeal about that series in the first Place, uh, harry potter. Yeah, like it's not so much that they're good stories Like they're pretty good stories It's more that people love to live vicariously through the characters and want to be in hogwarts and like want to like Basically just like live action role play being in hogwarts through these books um And like that's how I feel about being in the palace of the prophets like I like being there and like richard I like fine. I like all the conversations about prophecy and etc etc But I just like being at the palace of the prophets like I would definitely visit an attraction built by Some theme park that was meant to be the palace of the prophets. Yeah Um, also, I think it's really interesting with palace because we're talking about like palace of the prophets world building stuff, right? Like the fact that wizards Young wizards have unlimited access to like money and going out and fancy clothes and stuff And then the more advanced they get The more their world is circumscribed and so I think it's interesting kind of like this outward Sort of sense of responsibility, I guess with greater power Well, they say there is a line something about how like they want them to understand that Your authority and importance it does not derive from outward things It is derived from your own inner journey And so when you are insignificant you can have all the money in clothes you want because it doesn't matter isn't But um, then also Richard reflects in an iron randian way about how this like takes away their will to earn for themselves And it's ruined generations of independent men like Okie dokie So I love how he's like well, I'm going to take these resources and redistribute them Create a brothel that's open to all my friends I mean honestly like when he shows up and just like that too like I don't know like it's again It is a bit Mary gary stew sewish But like when the prelate meets with him After he's been there for like less for like a month I think she says and she's like you've been here a month and you already have everybody wrapped around your finger But I feel like there was enough told to me about what he was doing It without actually having seen by seen showing every single thing he's doing I've read so many other books where they would say something much vaguer where they would just be like And he went around and made sure that he was besties with everybody And he ingratiated himself with everybody and he did various things at various times with various results That ended up being that everybody loves him versus like it does go like while it's montagey It does go into quite a lot of like there was this plan This is how he got these people on his side is how it got these people on his side This is how he made this work for him. This is how he convinced these people of this is how he tricked them with this This is how he got them used to this like it goes through a lot of like what he did And I'm like so I believe it it feels earned when you tell me that everybody's a fan of richard I'm like, yeah, who wouldn't be right? I mean, yeah, and I like that's not an easy thing to do to like Get that information across in a believable way these books Sometimes when I read that other books like they couldn't think of ways that they would do that, you know They just well they generally did but he had just How the local economy works and how richard can use that to his advantage in a believable way Like you had to think of all of those things for him to do and then write about him doing them Which like I feel most authors are like and they vaguely were great and everybody thought they were great Just believe me Yeah See like these books get a bad rap, but he's actually Has the capacity to do a really good job with a lot of things And this is I think a great example of that like I do think stone of chairs is a pretty Excellent book for especially for like the time it was written I would agree and I am a very harsh critic We know Which is why everyone's like she likes The sort of truth books. Yeah Yes, I do Yeah, I mean and this too like I know Urza is very hung up on it being a ripoff of Wheel of Time But like I guess this is when it comes down to I mean I What are you? That it is more objective, but obviously this is more of a feelings thing that like when I get detail A description in these books. It is detail that feels relevant and it is enjoyable to read Versus the detail in the Wheel of Time feels like a bunch of needless description That is just like stop halting the plot To describe a thing and not very well And I'm like why is this here and I'm bored out of my mind and like I mean I guess a lot of people feel the opposite They think these books are garbage and they think Wheel of Time is the greatest Fantasy masterpiece of all time. But like I think Terry Goodkind Like I said, it's the purest escape is them. I feel really like that I want to be in this world I feel like I can see this world like I a lot of books like I don't visualize very much one because like it's not a thing that I do very much of in the first place And also a lot of books really don't tell you that much about and if they do Then like it's like Wheel of Time where I'm like, I'm not picturing this I'm just counting how many adjectives you use to describe green leaves and I'm very annoyed but uh I do feel like he's written in a way where I feel transported and I am seeing the world that I am in Yeah, and where I could confidently like look at an adaptation I mean there was one but it wasn't a very loyal one But if someone did like a loyal adaptation of it, I could say that is or is not how I pictured it With a lot of other things. I'm like, I don't really know how I pictured that. I didn't really picture it. So sure Yeah, no, I think these are I mean, I agree. Like I just think they're they are very escapist and fun and like and accessible which I like I like that it's a An easy starting point for people who are intimidated by big fantasy books or like But that was my biggest fear coming back to them because I kept telling you know, I kept mentioning in videos Um that like that was my you know first high fantasy and I recommend it still as a good gateway into it Um and for people who say it's terrible. Well, I hadn't read better books when I first read them So they seemed great to me at the time and I was very worried that I would pick them up when a you know Years later and think well, they were a good intro But boy, oh boy, I've read better things and this is not it And I felt a little bit that way about wizards first rule because because yikes But um, but stone of tears I'm back on like, you know what? No, I enjoy these for a reason and I still enjoy them And like is it the best and most well-crafted thing that I've read are the pros off Is the pros off the charts? Is it like the most deep and And ground breaking fantasy I've ever read. I mean, no, it is not broken earth. It is not first law It is not You know, it shouldn't it doesn't deserve Hugo awards But is it way better than a lot of the schlock that I read? I think so. I think so. Well, and I also think that You know, I mean think about like the things we've talked about in this live stream I don't I don't know that people appreciate That there is some level of depth to what he's doing thematically as well beyond just the iron rand stuff Yeah, beyond. I mean there's there's that but like beyond that and although Honestly, I do kind of wonder if part of why it's taken less seriously Is because so much of what he's doing is like feminist stuff Yeah, well, we talked about that last time people shit on things that women like Yeah, well and also You know or men who go out of their way to We could champion feminist ideas. I was gonna say, I mean, I can't I have never met anyone that said this but I I could easily imagine a dude picking this up and being like You know the types of reviews that you see for Like the all-female ghostbusters or for like Captain marvel Or even like I mean I loathe and despise the rise of Skywalker But also like there is a brand of review that is this movie makes no sense And it was from a plot perspective falls apart and the characters are poorly written and there was no plan And then there's the disgusting horrible like we can't have an asian woman We can't have a black guy rey as a dumb female and like those kinds of reviews So like the kind of people that like would object to Like a female being the leader of an army and for like Women being in charge and like putting a collar on your main male character and like being the dominating force And a lot of the scenes would be entirely put off by that Right Even if a man wrote it. Yeah Yeah, I mean, I think that's that's true and I kind of wonder if But I yeah, it just it makes me wonder if that's part of why people use the That terry goodkind did not ingratiate himself with anybody so like that to know Like he already pissed everybody off with his books being how they are And then leaned in to the iron rand stuff So that's even further and then when people got pissed at him he reacted In a very richard way to it and it was like i'm the bringer of death. You don't tell me what to do Yeah, I mean, you know, there may be some level of like self-insertion happening here I mean, it's not as bad as we've seen many a time It's true and richard as we've said to like for mary sue gary sue character like I was just talking about this On world hoppers we did the contradictions book tag. It's not up yet. I don't think um, uh, sorry about the siren. Um That's quite loud wait, let me Okay, uh man Yeah Also, I think the next book is much shorter a little bit shorter But uh, I mean sort of tears is one of the longest ones. I think But anyway, so the country in the contradictions book tag It was you know, like I hate this trope But I like this book was like one of them and I kind of wanted to do this for these books But it was equally true for king killer chronicle. So instead of saying I hate gary sue's and mary sue's But I like sort of truth. I was like, okay, everybody already doesn't want to talk about that I have I've lost my right to an opinion when I admit that I like sort of treat So I was like, but it's also true of king killer chronicle and like where I made the point Which is the same point I would make for sort of truth that like there is almost no like plot device No convention no trope no thing that you can say you must never do because it's all in how you do it And like even a mary sue Can be done well and can serve a plot function and can't in the way that The circumstance is written and I feel about quote the same way for people say that he's a gary stew Like I I don't think that they're wrong I just don't think that it's like That high itself isn't a bad thing like you can say someone was a gary stew and it was done badly and therefore this book is bad um Yeah, and like when something tends towards mary soon is that can like it's more generally poorly done more often poorly There's like love triangles are more often than not something that aggravates people though. Sometimes they are well done So like when you hear that you're like odds are not good That this is going to be good But there are many good things that have had things that people often don't like like love triangles and mary sue's Et cetera. Yes Accurate Uh priscilla. Yes this is Yeah We've managed to enjoy decades of boy power books just one. Yeah Yep Well, it's the same argument that I've heard before for like dudes not being interested in reading something like little women They're like, well, I can't relate to that and I'm like, well great. I can't relate to holding coffield because I don't have a penis so Sorry Yeah, you're telling me that you're supposed to empathize with the human experience. Oh wild idea go read little women Yeah Well, and I also hear like black people for instance like talking about white reviewers being like, I didn't relate to this black character They're like, oh, right like all the white characters. I've been reading in literature my whole life Like I just I just think we need like We can relate to people and have empathy I wish I could remember what it was but there was a series or a book That had a female protagonist and my dad assumed that the author was a female And I was like, no the author is a man and he was like, oh, I just I guess I I guess I assumed Because the protagonist is a female. Yeah that a woman would have written this There's a few examples. Well, yeah a mary and the nightbrothers was like that But I feel like with middle grade I would be less surprised than like adult. It was I think adult fantasy um, which Yeah, like It's I mean, it wasn't a city, you know, like okay if a woman wrote about a woman also Like it's fine to read it and he wasn't saying that he didn't like the book Like he we were just talking about the book and then like when you talk about the author's done You know, he would say something like well when she wrote well, you know, he just like in passing And I was like, well the author's a dude. He's like, oh really? Yeah, but it's about a girl Is that all I mean like red sister and that whole trilogy is like all female POV characters But I mean it's very it was some name where it was like because mark lorence like no one is going to be like, you know That's a dude, right? It was either initials or it was one of those names that was like An unusual name that it's hard to tell like if you don't know that name already. Yeah What the gender of it would be I wish I could remember because I remember that conversation distinctly and I was like Yeah Well, um Did you have anything else? Okay, it's just that grudge We talked very very little about grudge for grudge is the cutest. It's really cute. Yeah And it's a good book And I'm excited to read blood of the fold. Yeah, I'm not excited It'll be fine I mean, I am a little bit actually genuinely excited because I remember it being bananas And I feel like because I remember it being when an is I will be so let down by it this time in terms of like Not being bad, but just being like well, I've so I was so, you know shocked by it the first time that I'll just be super ready for it this time And I'm like and then this is the weird part Yeah, I mean it definitely sticks with you like Yeah I'm live show Yep, that'll be I get to have stone of tears and temple of the winds. So gotta take the lad with the good Yep But I get faith of the fallen which from my the very first time that I read the series back Back in the day when I was a wee laugh that was my favorite and that was before I knew That there was even any iron range to be had in these books. It wasn't that I knew and didn't see it I had no idea and I people say that's the most iron randy and it was my favorite So now that I will be reading it, you know with like Blinders off I don't know if that'll bother me this time or if I'll be like nope. It's still great Will be interesting Yeah That's it's not a lot I mean I mean, I think it's about the length of wizards first rule Okay, the stone of tears is the longest All right, I also it's like later for me than for you. So I'm also probably like well my dinner arrived while we've been chatting It's in the hall So, uh, thanks everybody for chatting with us. Yeah, it's fun. Hopefully we'll see y'all next month. See you next month on my channel great