 Thank you everybody to coming to the commercial street operations and master plan public forum It my name is Bill needleman. I am the waterfront coordinator with the city in the economic development department It was December that we convened in this room to talk about Existing conditions and the problems in the corridor, and I'm really gratified that we have so many Return participants as well as new participants to come and talk about possible solutions We have our consulting team here. We have city staff here to take us through a process to evaluate some alternatives First of all, I would like to know there's we have got quite a few members of city staff here We're not going to ask them all to introduce themselves, but if you'd all please raise your hands and You know so if you see city staff, please do feel free to reach out to them and ask them questions We I know we also have some elected officials in the room. I saw a counselor Mavadonis is here We had representative Collins who's here. Are there any other elected officials in the room that I wouldn't want to miss There thank you. I Will leave it to the consulting team to introduce themselves when I hand over the mic to them But in terms of framing what we're going to do tonight we are essentially looking for feedback on four basic groups of Alternatives or solutions selections of all solutions we have them labeled one two and three options, but on top of those is a set of Interventions Changes Improvements that lie underneath each one of them. So make sure you know and are aware of what's common to each concept and then there are three concepts that are organized by Travel time and reliability access to the piers and wharves and Multimodal transportation and accessibility transit bikes and pedestrians This is not to say that these concepts or collections of concepts are a set that is immutable We fully anticipate at the end of this process having one preferred alternative that may have elements of all of these but it's an opportunity to organize the thinking around Solutions to frame this conversation. So when you look at particular items such as the center lane of commercial street parking decisions use of the corridor Understand that you should think about how they may be reassembled into that one preferred alternative and make your comments or use your votes accordingly So I am going to turn it over to the consulting team To take us through this process and I greatly look forward to seeing both the conversation and the results Everyone my name is Philip cherry. I'm a traffic engineer transportation engineer with WSP Ned Codd is also here with us. He's sitting in the front. He's with our team as well and then we have Jane Lafleur with us from her consulting firm and we're going to walk you through the Presentation today. There's going to be a number of opportunities for feedback You have your your keypad pulling that Jane will walk you through how to use those and then there's also opportunities for feedback you have written comment forms you see the larger Posted plots around the room where you can put sticky notes afterwards. So we have a number of opportunities for guided feedback Today when we're when we're going through this presentation and looking forward to a briefing on what we've updated Jane's going to start us off here Hi everyone. Thank you. I Want to run through a few slides and then you're going to have an opportunity to vote But before we start does everyone have a keypad pulling device Bruce has them if you need one Okay, you should only have one not two Okay, great. So this is what we're going to do tonight We'll be talking about the goals of this project The issues and opportunities that you folks have told us over the last several months We'll talk about the previous outreach that we did over the last months We'll hear feedback from you on your priorities for the corridor We'll talk about the different descriptions and concepts and then we'll ask you for feedback on those and Then we'll have discussion and adjourn and as Bill mentioned There'll be time to go around the room leave us sticky notes leave us comments And also if you picked up a packet There's a comment card that you can leave with us and there's pencils in the back if you don't have one So our project goals are Safety for all users Also to maintain and improve access and stay safety for the working waterfront operations And finally to improve the traffic operations and address congestion points and bottlenecks So as we as we move forward and we look at the concepts we've developed We first just want to pause and sort of refresh and look at some of the existing issues We went over some of these with you Several months ago when we were in this room But just as a refresher looking at some of these issues Travel time and then travel time reliability for those who aren't maybe aware of the difference between the two Travel time is how long it takes to go up and down this corridor the reliability issue is you know One day it may take you four or five minutes to go from Franklin Street to Beach Street If the next day it takes you ten and the next day it takes you two It's very hard to trip plan when there's there's that lack of reliability there. The next is a safe Organized working waterfront. We want to make sure that It's it's easy for for the trucks and users and employees to access that waterfront and then when those trucks and Operations are leaving that they're staged and managed in an orderly fashion so that it's it's safe for everyone using the corridor There's also relatively limited waterfront access at certain times For pedestrians and really all users we want to make sure that the the waterfront is enjoyable by everyone That was that was a lot of the feedback we got when we were in this room We met in different tables and then there's a lot of sort of chaotic pedestrian crossings Both it's signalized and unsignalized intersections. There's very high crosswalk density, especially during peak peak season There's a lot of people crossing Throughout the corridor we want to try to manage that and make it a little bit safer for pedestrians a little bit more organized For for everyone else using the corridor We also broke this out sort of into two separate sections We felt that the western part of the corridor Roughly from Beach Street towards High Street Center Street was a little bit different character area than the eastern part of the corridor And so as we were developing solutions, we thought it was important to look at those Individually so the western part of the corridor. We know the Beach Street signal Intersection there's a lot of queuing a lot of delays There's been some improvements made in the last few months that will touch on but we know that is a bottleneck There's a lot of Industrial uses truck staging and loading sort of on that truck apron in the wharf area just east of the Casco Bay Bridge and while that's obviously necessary in a part of Portland How do we manage that to make it a little bit safer a little bit more organized another issue? We saw was parking demands near the Gulf of Maine Research Institute. There's all that angle parking How do we make sure there's Available parking where people can park the time that they need to but also enough turnover so that you don't have other folks Circling constantly to find parking one one other issue in this corridor is that When traffic volumes are lower Speeds are a little bit higher and that can make it feel unsafe for for pedestrians to cross if you're walking across from say the Harborview Park or if you're a cyclist in this area So how do we make that the higher speed corridor safer for all users? And then accommodating traffic from those planned developments like the one going in near a high street on the on the land side Something will also accommodate as we move to the eastern part of the corridor We look and say again pedestrian crossings are critical. How do we make sure that they're accommodated safely? This is we've touched on this already a little bit, but there's there's some sight distance concerns you have Delivery vehicles that are often parking close to crosswalks that make it difficult to see beyond those vehicles Certain crosswalks. You also have parked vehicles that are very close to the crosswalk Makes it difficult especially for children to see across that parked vehicle to safely cross How do we manage those deliveries vehicles where they're parking along the corridor? How do we make sure they're if they are parking in the center turn lane? How do we make sure they're doing it in a safe organized manner? Parking is also a concern here, especially in peak season. How do we manage that? Travel time reliability. There's a lot of different users Trucks cyclists pedestrians trolleys everybody's using this corridor at custom house wharf You have the bait truck backing movements that can be Unexpected for those who aren't from town and still a concern, you know safety concern for anyone We want to make sure those are as managed as well as possible And then there's a commercial street at Franklin Street, which we know has a lot of Intersection delays and queuing and we're going to touch on that on the next slide here We'll just gave it its own slide, but we know that it has long waits for pedestrian times and vehicles There's long crosswalks for pedestrians and we want to make sure that we can find a solution that That accommodates those And would potentially even provide more of a waterfront gateway when you come in from 295 you go down Franklin Street You arrive at commercial Street. It's sort of the heart of the corridor How do you make it a little bit more appealing to announce as a gateway that we're here and provide a little bit more plaza space? Around that intersection you have passengers coming from cruise ships from the ferry and they're maybe deciding where they're going to go And so when they're queuing and congregating in that area, how do you provide a little bit more? Storage and waiting space and then so over the past couple years with the Franklin Street corridor study We did look at a potential roundabout option the city's looked at that and then through this study We've looked at a potential sort of revamped signal option where we would realign Franklin Street and through that realignment you would be able to gain significant signal efficiencies Reduce the size of the intersection a little bit reduce those crossing times So just to review the previous outreach in October of last year There was a stakeholder meeting down at the ferry Terminal and in December we had a public meeting right in this room How many of you were at that December meeting or the October meeting a good night? A number of you great, okay We have also continued outreach through bill and city staff to the waterfront stakeholders including the working waterfront Alliance and the waterfront working group at the October stakeholder meeting We asked people what works well what doesn't work and what are your ideas? so economic development was one of the highest that is working well and and Fish deliveries are working fairly well vehicle operations fairly well what doesn't work our pedestrian operations Parking in some cases Pretty high scores for snow maintenance and and some for safety and then we received lots of ideas in all of these categories In December we heard lots of priorities from you folks if you were here You remember you were in small groups, and then we tallied what you said in your groups and brought them all together as a big group We heard that you wanted to enhance multimodal access To support a vibrant working waterfront commercial fishing and waterfront truck access Enhance the residential quality of life reduce vehicular traffic improve access for pedestrians and bicyclists prioritize marine development and Manage access and the impacts of development. We also asked what your 10-year vision was What would you like commercial street corridor to be in like in 10 years? And you told us better multimodal access a world-class sustainable waterfront authentic water views with public access a Harbor walk with public access to the water a strong fishing industry Having it functional for trucks and water access for commercial fishing So we want to stop here briefly for five minutes or less to say is there something we missed Is there anything you want to add to those to those priorities or those issues? Just have a moment if anybody from the audience Yes, sir Anything Anything done at this moment Bruce I don't or Bill I don't know if you guys want to weigh in as well Through this project where we're looking at a number of different options that would potentially reduce the number of vehicles that would need to access that a couple of Two of the concepts we're looking at do look at different transit options That would allow folks from within the community to access commercial street via transit Which would reduce the number of vehicles that need to park there? And then there's other options that improve Bicycle infrastructure, which is another means that that folks from outside of commercial street could access there and reduce the parking demand I don't know if there's any other other plans immediately underway But but certainly within our concepts that that's two different ways that we're trying to reduce The number of vehicles that need to park right on the corridor or or drive along the corridor Change To clarify you're asking when Folks are getting off work when they're leaving garages or any sort of pricing or other parking policy with the garage itself That's not something we looked at specifically for this corridor I don't know if anybody in the room knows anything broader in Portland that you can can weigh in on Bruce or anybody else but We have been requiring transportation demand management plans for those larger employees and so staggered work hours are A part that we asked them to look at as part of their Managing their you know the work days of their employers and so we have had some Input and response to that request. That's one of the strategies that is required for them to At least consider for their for their workflows I We have Seen for instance on some of the some of the plans in the Eastern waterfront Telecommuting is being being offered to several of the several of the employers there we have There's just new opened of Businesses so they haven't really done any monitoring or reporting back of their efforts yet, but those are Parts of the parts of their transportation and management Other questions. Yes, sir. Did you look at the section of commercial from each street to Veterans Bridge? particularly in regard to Leaning up bike lanes, but just in general I So a west of the Beach Street ramp and the international Marine Terminal We do have design plans underway for to extend the shared use pathway that currently ends near Denny's to We're looking for that to be implemented to The Star Match building in the next two years and then we do have concept plans to extend that east of the Star Match building We look for that in a couple of years to follow. We're also looking to continue the bike lanes west of Star match and for instance to connect to the Veterans Bridge and So folks can either choose the shared use pathway on the Veterans Bridge or use the shoulders on the Veterans Bridge And also connects to the floor River Parkway pathway So, yes Any of you working on this plan to have a more coherent vision about why there is so much traffic And answers the gentleman's question. I've got getting the cars off commercial street Is it possible that with the proper development and proper access to stores and merchandise that many of us Wouldn't have to get in our cars and traffic on commercial street I think I think a lot of this study did look at alternate ways to to access commercial street and even when options of when folks are coming in Say from out of town putting up signage to direct them to specific parking facilities So that they're not parking right on per commercial street if you're driving in from out of town It's a little bit more difficult to to take transit or some other option But at least routing those folks to an appropriate location and then and then as I mentioned that as we'll show there is a significant both Concepts one and three that we show here have some transit service and then there are bike facilities Or a shared use path of some sort in each of these to try to try to mitigate that demand for parking on the corridor If you can hold your question, we're gonna proceed and there'll be another discussion period in a few minutes But I want to make sure we keep rolling along if that's okay Okay Okay, so now we want to have you respond to a number of questions and these priorities So you'll be doing electronic keypad polling Then there'll be some self-guided feedback where you can go to any one of these maps around the room and leave A sticky note with comments and then they're a comment form so there are at least three opportunities to give us feedback So if I want to walk through with a sample question before we get to the meat of the evening Asking you who's in the room and this is how you use your keypad Hold it so the string is at the bottom if you hold it this way. It's upside down Okay, and the question is who is in the room and you'll it's like who wants to be a millionaire where they ask the audience and it's Immediate response if you've ever seen that TV show So the numbers go one two three across the top four five six seven eight nine And there is eight options So press one if you are in the fishing or fisheries industry to if you're with government or education Three hospitality industry for the nonprofit world five property owner Six a resident or neighbor seven retail in office and eight is other now just a couple of rules I see that a lot of you have already voted but If you change your mind or if you're in multiple you could answer multiples You can press as many as you want, but it only takes your last vote So pick the one that's most prevalent if you change your mind and say gee I'm in the nonprofit, but I'm really in the fisheries or whatever you can change your mind until I say last call or last vote and then The receiver is up here, so don't plant aim it at me if you feel like you have to aim it like a clicker on the TV aim it right here We've tested this from the far corners of the room and even behind this post so it should definitely work We know it does So over 60 people have voted so far. I'm not going to vote any more votes Property owners in Portland Okay, so Anybody oh the other thing is if you have the kind that has a screen Your vote should show in the screen if for some reason you get the circle with a hash through it That means your vote was not taken. I've tested every single keypad I know they're all working, but every once in a while somebody says mine's not working So if you want to swap it out for a different one Bruce will bring you a new one so Go ahead last chance Any more votes? Here we go So most of you are residents or neighbors followed by property owners The fishing industry is the third most prevalent group in the room today Okay So that's how they work Okay So we're going to ask you a series. I think it's five questions We know you haven't heard all the details of the design But this is high-level questions of how you would prioritize Each of these features So this question is how would you prioritize? Marking specific areas for marine or fishing vehicles to stage or load either on the street or You know with within the right of way, so I think a lot of where we're thinking is is near The area sort of west of Park Street east of the Casco Bay Bridge there But anywhere along the right of way is where we're thinking and just to clarify Obviously one is the highest priority three is sort of middle neutral priority and five is the lowest priority You can push one two three four or five question And then there would not be other options Or are you just saying that that would be that you would that they would mark that space as Appropriate for that use and to not be used by other user groups. It's not getting into that amount of detail yet It's asking you how important is this to your view of the corridor, okay? We're not saying a versus B. We just want to know how important is staging and loading for marine and fishing Okay Any any more votes Make sure your vote went through Any it was another comment, okay? So one is very high priority five is very low and you can pick anything in between Last chance Any more votes here we go So it's very high and then everything above that so 32 30 and 27 Percent said it's at least middle or above I'm just curious for people that said very low priority if you are interested in speaking up anybody want to tell me why Or do you feel outnumbered I Might ask that a few times if you want to tell us because every once in a while, you know, we're really curious on why Is a high priority No Because it's pretty overwhelming. Yeah, okay great The next question is how would you prioritize improved pedestrian safety and access along and across the corridor? Same options one is very high five is very low. Do you want to add anything pretty clear? Okay, this is your priority your voting fast I Can see people voting up in the top right corner? Go ahead and vote if you change your mind You can still change your mind and push a different button if you push anything other than one through five you'll get the the zero Okay, last chance make sure it registered in the screen or the green light beep that means a year vote was taken Don't hold it under a metal chair either that quick can interfere with it. I've had kids do that in schools Okay, last chance Here we go Very high priority for improved pedestrian safety and access Okay, anybody in the very low want to comment? Okay How would you prioritize reduced travel times in greater travel time reliability for all corridor users? I think Philip already explained the difference between time and reliability Okay, go ahead and vote here. We go very high and some very low Anybody want to comment on these? Yeah Levels Okay, thank you. Yes, sir if you're pedestrian Reducing travel time or having very liability sort of a move point Okay, good. Yes, sir Did everybody hear that he's skeptical that there's anything that could be done to reduce the travel time. Thank you. Yes Something has to give okay Okay, a couple more questions How would you prioritize high quality transit service? Good point, how would you prioritize transit service on this corridor? Okay, sorry to your good point. We'll take out the words high quality Buses or other It's a general question. Okay, how would you prioritize transit service on this corridor? Any more votes? Here we go Pretty split between very high and very low and a few in the middle Excuse me Everybody drives a car Okay It goes back to one of the other comments about how do we get people out of their cars, but yes, ma'am Putting back the trolley tracks, I don't know if that I'm not going to address that yes ma'am Pedestrians who are off accruciates Thank you last comment go ahead As someone who is a pro transit advocate, I would say that it should very much be noted that if we build for cars We get more cars. It's the principle of induced demand is very well understood by transit planners at this point So advocating for alternatives is the best way to reduce Traffic overall for everyone. Thank you last comment Somewhere else. Yep. Good point. Okay We're gonna move on. How would you prioritize allocating space to? Bicycle facilities along the quarter Okay I'll take out the words high quality. How would you prioritize? Allocating space to bicycle facilities along the quarter go ahead and vote Could be a bicycle lane it could could be a bike lane It could be a separated bike lane, which is using some sort of pain or post treatment or even There's other a myriad of treatments But but some sort of designated facility where we're cyclists are have some sort of dedicated right of way within the street Okay, any more votes Here we go Very low priority Kind of split to okay. Yes, sir Wouldn't the bicycle users be the ones to answer that question I mean most of us don't ride bikes after age 65 Well, it's a question of making space for them whether or not you're the rider. How is that? How do you prioritize that ma'am? I personally feel that the new traffic pattern through Deering Oaks is Extremely confusing for people and I can read signs quite well. I've lived in this area my entire life and It's it is it's confusing and it seems very unsafe because a lot of people are also confused by that traffic pattern Even as a regular user, I know where I'm going, but nobody else knows what they're doing Thank you Thank you, this is the last question in this section Which of these elements would be your highest priority and I will read them one Dedicated marine staging and loading areas to improve pedestrian safety and access Three reduce travel times greater travel time reliability for all users for transit service and infrastructure five Bicycle facilities marine is one two is pedestrian three is travel times and reliability For is transit and five is bicycles Good split the highest is marine staging and loading and the second highest is transit service followed by pedestrian safety Okay So we just want to take about two minutes for discussion This will be the people that especially those the woman in the back and the white go ahead Did you take into consideration at any time the impacts of increasing king tides and sea level rise and Because that's intermittent as well as my second question environmentally Did you look at snow removal and disruption from major snowstorms and staging of snow? Snow plowing and snow removal was considered in this process. We looked at a number of different alternatives and some of those While they may have had benefits to some of the users on the previous screen They were vetted out because they they might not have been reasonable due to snow removal as far as the the sea level rise Question that's something that that's certainly we've we've thought of and considered and I think as this process goes forward toward the Preferred all preferred concept phase. I think that's something where that would be Considered and how that impacts Decisions that are being made but I think at this point it was made Most of what we've done this point was a little bit agnostic of that But it's certainly at the the front of our minds that it needs to be considered and as that moves forward Yes, sir I see this loading Area and staging on commercial street Part of the issue for a lot of the marine users That's not really the issue that that we have we I need to be able to move equipment in and off of a property off of commercial street and it doesn't seem like that's being accounted for Really at all You know, there's not a ton of users that need to actively load or unload fisheries related Materials equipment in the middle of commercial street. There's a few but really pretty far Instead, it's not getting on and off of the commercial street Yes, but that doesn't necessarily fall to stage here. I don't need to stage my vehicle. I just need to get through the property Are you talking? I think that's good feedback. Are you talking about on the wharves and piers or on the industrial areas there? So I think when we when we move forward there is some some additional Concept elements that that will come to bear that that will note that but we do appreciate your feedback on how that's noted On the west that down towards that holy oak and eats we use Area a little bit differently when we have a short truck That's not going to be there very long instead of taking the time back and then shut down commercial street We use the staging area for like operations can take less than 20 minutes Thank you The travel time and reliability that problem was solved doesn't that start to solve some of the other problems so I mean to prioritize One over the other seems to me that the traffic is the real issue the density along with the pedestrians bicycles so on and so forth so if you're solving traffic issues by Times being you know driven and all in the amount of traffic doesn't that start to solve some of the other categories There are some sort of collateral benefits if you will to the gentleman who mentioned I think induced demand You know, I don't think we're trying to build additional lanes out of this But but there's some signal timing improvements and some other more what we would deem like Operational improvements that are trying to fix bottlenecks at specific locations and whether you're you know a driver Just you in a car whether you're driving the trolley whether you're in a bait truck or anything else that will have Benefits to everyone. It's not so much. I think the reliability is really probably more of a realistic goal Then is the reducing travel time? We're not trying to make commercial Street I 95 to I think this gentleman's point You know that there's a reasonable speed and a and a limited finite capacity on the corridor and and we recognize that but When that capacity is being sort of if you will artificially reduced by inefficiencies at signals and a lot of how can we manage the friction with some of the other users to make it a little bit better, but not Overburden any one user group and balance everything. Hope that makes sense I know a lot of people take cars down lifts or ubers to get to where they need to go or whatever I don't know where they're on personal cars or they can easily bike in such a nice flat ride But people are not comfortable biking all of the closures Our foundations are sheriffs. As we know a lot of people between the ages of zero and 65 are not comfortable biking Woman on the right behind yes Yes In our industry, we always say you can't have good management without good enforcement And so it's it's interesting to see the way that you phrase the questions relative to pedestrians And I do believe that safety is important but enforcing whatever changes you have is going to be essential because Transiting commercial Street today. I was trying to get down a union wharf and there's a red sign up It says don't walk but 50 people try across the street at the same time So how am I supposed to be able to access a wharf when I what it's what it's I'm trying to do the lawful thing if people are not Yeah Actually I go back to And I see the word solution used in almost every sentence Particularly for critical look at what actually is There are a lot of issues there are complaints there are pet peeves There are inconveniences Not all the problems the one big red flag that I saw was a huge disparity in seasonal spike in pedestrian visa being More vehicles. Is that a problem? I don't know. Is there a red flag? I'll close by saying this we're in the hospitality business I had a conversation this morning for this noon with a gentleman from N9, California And yes, what's like here in the weather? I saw there's no traffic. Is it traffic? Yes One of the things you may want to consider in your future questioning or discussions One of the things you may want to consider is what commonality made people be willing to sacrifice In order for them to get the high priority they asked for One of the things we've all gotten used to is that we think we can travel quickly on commercial street But the reality is there is traffic. It does take time But if you want safety on commercial street for pedestrians and bicyclists, you may want to drive slower If you want more access to your peers and wharfs We may want to provide more of a space for those individuals and again have traffic slower So a question may be would you be willing to have greater travel times? With greater time reliability if it meant you got all the other things that you were asking Thank you for that discussion. I think that was very hopeful and informative As we move forward here into the real heart of the presentation about what we've been Working to develop wanted to go over sort of the concept development process I know bill noted this when we started off, but want to reiterate that We have three concepts here But the real end goal from the feedback we're going to get from you tonight and the feedback We've already gotten is sort of a best of the best preferred concept And that doesn't mean that we have to wholesale take everything from concept one or concept two or concept three If you really like one of those concepts, but you also really like an element for concept two or concept three The feedback going through this is aimed to to get to that and really isolate and bring that forward Not only through the the polling feedback We're doing here, but through the comment cards and and some of the sticky notes that that we encourage you to place up there So just want to reiterate we have three concepts as noted here. They are unique concepts. They're cohesive They're not just you know random elements strung together, and they were designed in order to get feedback from you that that's beneficial, but It doesn't mean that we have to pick one of those in isolation sort of in a vacuum There's ways that we can sort of combine them going forward Again, we're using your feedback. This was a very iterative process over the last several months We looked at really dozens of different cross sections of different points along the corridor We broke this out into really three different character areas. I think a few slides ago I sort of noted like an eastern and a western area and how they're have sort of a different aesthetic and different interaction We looked at like it shows their beach to highs Certainly one area and then Union to Franklin is another character and then sort of the middle is that transition zone And we also looked at different Different studies that had already been completed one was the Franklin Street corridor study Which was helpful for for looking at Franklin Street? We also looked at the West commercial Street study that was completed recently and then we looked at the eastern waterfront development Study for traffic volumes to help inform not only was what does traffic look like now or last year when we took the volumes But also going forward when you have the full build out of some of these Some of these different developments that are already underway So as we move forward Again, I know you guys want to see the concepts there. They're in your hands But I wanted to note again that that what bill touched on is important here Is that as we looked at the feedback that you guys provided last fall as we looked at all the analyses that we'd conducted fuel visits We met and spoke with the city staff got feedback from the waterfront waterfront Alliance We came to find that in meeting those goals there were several elements that needed to be included really regardless of Which concept was going for we felt they were that important so I'm going to go through those six different strategies real quick One of those is the Beach Street signal improvements. I know that is not Beach Street But it's it's on the left side of the page there We've we found that as a quick win that was implemented I believe late April early early May someone in the room can probably tell me exactly the date But we were looking at how do we try to make those queues a little bit better those delays a little bit shorter We know they still exist, but we did do some signal timing improvements to try to modify that the next Common strategy was we felt there needed to be a signal at High Street in the near future in order to not only Accommodate the coming development, but also pedestrian safety this part of the corridor has been less developed There's less demand to cross commercial Street, but as that development comes forward There's likely more of a desire to cross and so having that signal there where you have a protected crossing Benefits not only you know vehicles coming in and out of development, but also the the pedestrians that are crossing there The next element was signal timing and coordination I'm sure you guys have driven driven along the corridor Especially at Center and Union Street and maybe stopped at Center Street And then you have the privilege of stopping again at Union Street, so we're trying to to Make not only each signal a little bit more efficient But make them talk to each other a little bit more and in traffic engineering lingo It's sort of like a progression or a wave as you go down the corridor How do you how do you make that happen and one way of doing that is actually recognizing as folks have said that Sometimes traffic moves pretty slowly during key points So instead of assuming that traffic is going to move at 30 miles an hour You may need to assume that it's going to move slower and those signals are coordinated to that slower speed So there are a number of ways you can look at that Fourth element, I think it was touched on a little bit as they shared use path From roughly Beach Street Continuing from from bicycle and other infrastructure elements further west up to High Street That would be widening the existing sidewalk that sort of runs through Harborview Park there and Provide additional width for cyclists and pedestrians up to High Street Next element is better defining and sort of delineating the marine staging loading areas shown in blue here One is in the area that we've talked a lot about already, which is from roughly the bridge to Park Street High Street We know there's a lot of staging and loading activity there already But how do we make sure that that's managed and delineated ordered a little bit better that may be Paint you know pavement markings in the roadway and maybe at certain locations simply bollards trying to Just denote where vehicles are going to park. We know there's different businesses there We know they have employees and customers that park there So we know that managing that and finding an organized way that that works for everyone is a challenge but we feel like some some additional Markings and you know ways to denote that would would benefit would benefit everyone and then the next one is a wider wharf sidewalk from Union Street to Franklin Street We know especially during peak season. There's a lot of pedestrians on this corridor. You get a cruise ship you get ferries you get everybody coming in and We we looked at both sidewalks and felt that the wharf side sidewalk at most locations in this area was about four to five Feet narrower and so not only do you need wider sidewalk just to walk by each other But also somebody's stopping to window shop or eat an ice cream cone or whatever You know people are doing along the corridor you want to have enough space for them to do that and have people walk by comfortably So they're not getting You know, there's not crowding and people aren't spilling into the street Which then becomes even more of a safety issue. So these are the six strategies common to all of the concepts It we again we felt that these were important to convey Importance based on the goals based on your feedback based on the analysis that we had conducted So we're gonna move on to the concepts now. You guys should have all of these in your hand I'm gonna go ahead and put this up I have that in front of me and I can speak through this just so you have it a little more visually I'm sure you guys have probably already recognized this Beach Street is that way Franklin Street is basically at my right hand right here And so this is a replicated and exaggerated version of what's up here. It's about a mile long corridor So if we were to only show this you can see how difficult it would be to see some of the different elements that are going on up here So, you know, this is showing what looks like could be like a hundred foot wide sidewalk. We're not proposing that It's just exaggerated to make it easier for everyone to see and that's what's shown on on the pages You have with you and on the the 36 by 48s printed around the room as well So this is concept one the theme of concept one is travel time and travel time reliability There's four main bullets to this. The first one is reducing travel times and improving the reliability There's a get again marine and active waterfront access designated and time restricted commercial delivery zones, which I'll get into and then on From the high street to Franklin Street. We do propose putting Sherrows down to improve cyclist awareness. So going back to the first bullet the first way that we would propose to improve Travel time reliability is we would limit where center turn lane loading could occur. We know that right now There's a lot of places where the center turn lane is used for loading and that creates a couple different issues One vehicles can't use it to actually stage and cue to turn So sometimes they have to wait in the through lane, which blocks everyone another issue with that is from a safety perspective If the vehicles especially close to the crosswalk, it's difficult for pedestrians Crossing to see or turning vehicles from the side street to see so there's a number of benefits by limiting that to the extent possible We're proposing in this scenario to only allow it between Union and Dana Street Which is essentially the longest block in this sort of eastern half of the corridor and we would use paint and potentially ballards to denote where those delivery vehicles are allowed to Stop and and park and then they would make their delivery. And so it either be ballards or paint It would be set back at least 50 feet from any crosswalk so that you'd have additional visibility there and have that another element would be that we would propose to remove the Custom house street and market street crosswalks. We know there's a lot of crosswalks in this area We also very much value pedestrian safety But I believe between Franklin Street and Union Street depending on how you count them There's anywhere between 11 and 13 different crosswalks. And so we felt that these two crosswalks could be removed and it would not be Overly onerous to anyone needing to walk to an adjacent crosswalk to cross if you remove those You're allowing a little bit more continuity and reliability along the corridor to someone's point enforcement is obviously important to Where pedestrians are crossing and and to that, you know We would want to make sure that at those remaining crossings that there is good sight distance and visibility You may need to preclude parking right next to that where there is parking now You may need to remove a space in order to better see if if you're about to cross there Especially if you're a child. It's difficult to see over some of those cars But we would propose to remove those two crosswalks and then this Concept also proposes mixed-use transit service. So there's no dedicated lane But there would be transit service along the corridor. You can see bus stops here There's bus stops near Franklin Street near roughly Union and Cross Street and then down closer to High Street and these these buses would operate in mixed traffic and When at bus stops parking would be removed and the buses would pull out use that parking and pick up and drop off in And in that way when the bus is stopping it would not It would not impede the flow of traffic around the bus So and then when the bus merges back in it would it would just pull back into traffic so All three of those elements are aimed at improving travel time and travel time the liability Part of that transit access is travel time not necessarily for drivers, but for other folks using the corridor For the Marine Active Waterfront that that industry we're proposing if you see on the far right over here In pink it says hang tag parking for marine industry employees We know that parking demand is a concern on this corridor So we would be taking basically parallel parking from roughly the Casco Bay Bridge to Park Street And that would be dedicated to a certain industry and you would have a you know a hang tag That you would put in your car and that would allow you to park in that area and then at Pearl Street Pearl Street we're proposing Having flagging operations when there's bait trucks backing down custom house wharf We know that's difficult for some folks to see so there would be you know very visible fluorescent neon flags that the operators of that Operation associated with the truck could use and to make sure that folks approaching the intersection whether it's Drivers whether it's pedestrians are able to clearly see that a unique movement is about to occur as as they back down In that intersection and then back down the wharf For commercial delivery and loading I've already mentioned that we would be limiting center turn lane loading to just one specific area along the corridor And then we would also have a few places along the wharf side sort of with parallel parking But because we're limiting it we're proposing that additional deliveries would need to be made on Pearl Street Market Street and Union Street and those would be Where vehicles could also pull in those locations were selected for a couple reasons But perhaps the the most the highest priority was the fact that they they aren't paid with cobbles And if you're pushing a hand cart it's pretty difficult to push a hand car on a cobbled paving That's that improvement and then like we mentioned the the Sharrows for greater cyclist awareness from High Street down to Franklin Street So those are all the elements of concept one that are unique to concept one. I know That was a lot to go through. We're gonna keep going We're gonna have time to discuss all of these after after we've made it through all all the concepts moving on to concept two The theme of concept two is improving the efficiency for the working waterfront Another element that you saw from concept one is that there would be a hang tag Parking for marine employees sort of along the parallel area from Casco Bay Bridge to Park Street There would be a little bit more allowance of Deliveries in the center median and there's some some sort of collateral benefits of that We would again have it from Union to Dana Street and also near Market Street because we're proposing to remove That crosswalk so that allows you to deliver in the middle of the street without having the same concerns We would also allow more deliveries along the the wharf side of commercial Street I know we showed delivery here at Market Street The hope would that it would be that it could all be contained within commercial Street there And what that allows for when there's no transit service on this corridor Which we're proposing in this concept no transit service is that you have more of the parking more of the curbside That's retained for business owners retained for Employees for customers needing to use that parking and it also offers the most flexibility in terms of the use of the curb side I know folks have mentioned There's a lot of different competing uses on this corridor in terms of curb space You know late at night. There's there's now I think someone mentioned uber and lift picking up and dropping off So how do you create a safe space along the curbside for everyone to use that and then another element for safety for pedestrian? Safety in this corridor is that at Pearl Street? There would be a flashing beacon. I think you guys are familiar with the existing beacon down near high Street right now Pearl Street has some of the highest pedestrian crossing volumes on the corridor and in order to make That traffic control more visible in order to improve The comfort of crossing commercial Street there we propose to put in another flashing beacon at this location Just wanted to reiterate with the the deliveries here on commercial Street Those would again be denoted by pavement markings or some sort of ballard to make sure that they are Protected from that they're demarcated specifically and that that they're sort of housed within a certain zone there Moving on to the third concept the theme of this concept is multimodal accessibility This one has perhaps the most unique element along the corridor you may have noticed that this sort of Gold yellow bar down the middle is actually proposing to Dedicate the center turn lane to transit service. So instead of having a center turn lane that would be allowed you know be used by Vehicles to stage in and turn it would be used by transit service that transit service could be a bus driven by a person Which we're all familiar with Going forward it could actually be a potential autonomous Shuttle or bus of some sort those have been implemented in in several cities around the country and in sort of a limited basis So going forward there's the potential that they may be able to operate in a more complex setting obviously like commercial Street Another component of that transit service is that it would have what's called transit signal priority What that means is as that transit vehicle approaches a signal It has some sort of device on the sick on the vehicle whether it's some sort of strobe It can be a radio signal it can actually use GPS But there's a number of different ways and as it approaches signals sort of talks to the signal and the signal says hey there's a bus coming and then It changes to give green time to that signal more quickly in order to expedite transit service along the the corridor and Bus stops would actually be in the middle of the corridor So it would be like a little island in the middle. There would be a safe crossing to that provided by a Pedestrian signal to cross to that median and then that's where buses would pick up in the middle One one question you may have is this is only one lane. It's one center median lane How do you have transit service go in both directions what you see here in the middle is where it's shown to be Schematically drawn a little bit wider. That would be a passing section So you have one lane here where vehicles are traveling in both directions. You have a center passing lane where? You use technology use signal timing so that when the vehicle gets there it waits until it gets to the two lane section It passes the other vehicle and then it goes on As far as the transit alignment for this, I'm sure many of you are wondering what that would be That is still to be determined. This could continue down West commercial Street It could turn up high Street and go into the heart of of downtown I know what it does east of Franklin Street is also up in the air But the idea is that you would dedicate part of commercial Street to having that high-quality transit service I know sub you several of you have mentioned how do we reduce the demand for vehicles on commercial Street? So this is one way that you can do that where if you're in that transit vehicle you have a Prioritized access along the corridor you're traveling at least as fast if not faster than then other folks in the corridor And it makes it a little bit more appealing another element of this multimodal concept is we were Proposed to have separated bike lanes from you see at high Street where the shared use path ends to Union Street So you'd be able to get from from Beach Street and points west of there all the way to Union Street on a Shared use path or a more separated bike facility if you wanted to continue as a cyclist You would use the signal at Union Street with appropriate cyclists designed to continue and then head east that way and there would be Sharrows marked along commercial Street going going towards Franklin Street and Then as far as pedestrian safety we would propose to fully signalized Pearl Street in this scenario and this this concept Excuse me, and so with that provides a number of different benefits One is that again? There's incredible pedestrian demand at Pearl Street during peak season having a full signal there provides Protected crossings for pedestrians Another benefit is that when bait trucks are backing down commercial Street you could actually outfit a Sense or an emitter or some sort of communication device on those bait trucks when they approach here And when they're baking their their backing movement They can actually stop the signal make it red for everyone so it's safe to back down there And then the third benefit is once you have transit or if you had transit on this corridor It's another signal to give transit priority to folks in the bus and to to better communicate with that median running transit So another another key element is the full signal at Pearl Street as far as deliveries on this corridor Because the center turn lane is precluded from from allowing deliveries You obviously have to accommodate them in some other way So they would be accommodated at certain locations on the wharf side in parallel parking And they would also be accommodated on adjacent streets Union market and Pearl Street is again the streets that we've outlined We will get into this a little bit later But for all of these delivery locations we're recommending that deliveries be time restricted So so say you had the delivery location here We would we would work with Adjacent business owners and say when do most of your deliveries occur in cities around the country that have done this It's typically earlier in the morning 5 to 10 a.m. 6 to 11 a.m And so when it's not that time this could be used for parking it'd be used for some other use But when it is that time it would be restricted only to commercial delivery activity And then you know they would have to either pay the meter or have some sort of their Transaction in order to use that space just like any other parked vehicle would at any other hour. So that is Concept three. I know you guys are patient or patiently waiting. I'm sure to offer some Some feedback on this one more slide and then we can we can sort of get to that We have a concept evaluation matrix that looks at seven different criteria You guys have this on the back of your Concept layout so if you can't read this it's right in front of you. Don't worry We went through seven different categories. This was this was our evaluation of this But obviously we're here to get your feedback and we are very appreciative of the of the feedback that you're providing But we we looked at these across these seven categories Concepts one two and three and sort of if you're familiar with the consumer reports magazine The red circle means that it would significantly worsen versus existing a Open circle sort of neutral and then green filled means it significantly improves So we we go through and I'm not going to go through all 21 of these boxes But you can see on concept one. We're looking and it says, you know, this would improve safety and travel time reliability We're estimating marine and wharf access ease of delivery for concept two and then cycling and transit options for concept three Shared That sidewalk From roughly high street toward back toward B Street widening in toward this this green right here is a Separated bike lane, so it would be the curb and then bike lanes and then parking protected by parking The shared use path I'm sorry we could have This this should say separated bike lane if you look at the shared use path and then sort of where those vertical bars are That's where it would transition to the separated bike lane on the the right half of where that green line is Lots of questions. I'm sure Yeah, this is a common one concept through delivery from Union Wharf to our Franklin Ontario You made a comment about when the deliveries Most it's all day All day from early in the morning to late in the afternoon Trapped trailers straight jobs UPS FedEx It's it's just there is no heaven flow So if you're going to try and set the parameter around time It's going to be Between all these delivery vehicles trying to find a spot to deliver in Carl Street by the way I think you mentioned in the previous concept as a possible occasion There's a good portion of the day when there are Tour buses staging their stock boats and other vehicles Couple comments Well first I'd like to say I strongly recommend you never recommend or never Speck flashing old beacons. They've been more dangerous then Then nothing Motorist can turn Well, I won't go into why for these two red spots it says loss of parking but then theoretically there'd be less demand and then likewise it says Increase travel time, but then the whole thing is make the transit go fast. It's the one of that increased travel time Yes, but the hope would be that there would be reduced demand for it So I appreciate you noting that as far as the travel time reliability So the transit service has the the field green for significantly improves For for most other motorized vehicle users because you can't use that center turn lane for for turning left You'd have to turn left from the through lane We did want to point out that it would likely increase travel times for those not on the transit vehicle But I think your point is valid that it is improving service for those taking the transit You know transit service wherever it would be scheduled throughout Portland Yes Activities Up to 1,400% I think your stats of increase in pedestrian walking during that high season Where they're all going up Pearl Street obviously to get to Oldport and send the shops. I was there. I'm sorry Studies of being able to take that transit across 4th Street or Middle Street We're somehow getting it off of commercial because we look at places like It has the same issues where you have a lot of commercial activity You have a lot of pedestrian activity and they take all the pedestrians coming from the cruises and they get away Did you study Possibility of having a transit service that doesn't take This this study is focused specifically on commercial streets. So in in the context of that we looked at Transit service on this corridor. I know Bruce or bill if you want to speak to anything else that that Metro is doing I know that that Metro is evaluating I'm sure other routes and more of a holistic context in Portland, but Your point about the fact that Adjacent transit service could also potentially serve this corridor was something that we have talked about at different points throughout the planning process This process is looking if there were transit service on the corridor How would it be a court accommodated? It is not a service design process Metro is looking at a route 8 pre-designed. There are Other processes looking at transit in the area So it's not a formal conclusion the transit would go here, but it didn't were to go here for a commercial street We're selected to be a transit priority corridor. These are the concepts of how it could be accommodate I would say Is there is there a specific part of the corridor you're referencing or when the traffic slow just the whole whole extent of commercial street we're looking at Hence areas If I could just take a second, I'd like to mention that an alter of that hasn't been considered here It's in response to what Tony asked earlier about getting cars more cars out of the city So there's less congestion and stuff So I just started last year looking at a project called micro rail which is intended to pull about 10,000 out of the 35,000 cars that come into the city and pull them and park them outside off the peninsula And I would encourage people to take a look at micro rail and see if that isn't a Solution that works for you better than they're just changing crossing our lanes and Lights the idea is to get cars off the off the road So that pedestrians and bikes and other people young can work safely without all that and not have the competition between cars and humans Thank you very much Tracker General deliveries ups FedEx beer trucks that kind of stuff So we do have a designated area Between Union and Dana Street Denoted and then there's these purple areas here. One is just west of Moulton one is Right near custom house street and then we have noted these three on adjacent streets We acknowledge the feedback we've gotten that that we may need to revisit that further but but those are where we've selected at least for for this concept for the General deliveries to potentially occur and and I know we've talked about potentially time restricting them I know we got feedback that they're occurring Throughout the day, there may be additional ways to look at you have more of them time restricted And then you have a certain time of day when they're a little bit less you could have fewer of these time restricted There's there's ways to look at that, but concept to So concept to we expand Where in the center median and we're on the curbside these purple areas where we're proposing deliveries And we still show one on market street just in case there's a little bit of sort of spillover But the goal would be to contain all the deliveries on commercial street and then Whether it's on this center median on the the curbside on the wharf there So It's it's union to Dana and then basically just east of Market Street and the crosswalk at Market Street would be removed And so removing that crosswalk allows you to more safely stage that delivery because you're not Blocking any pedestrian visibility. Yes, Bill Just for truck staging that's waiting to get on to appear As the center median is currently used so this concept to We're working waterfront access would retain that option in the center median and potentially also in these sideline areas But question and it's relative to Mike's comment about deliveries There are a lot of waterfront Commercial Street businesses here or those adjacent to commercial Street, but there are a lot that aren't and in terms of Outreach in terms of notification of this meeting How was that done because I just worried that you know, there's 60 some odd people here tonight But there are a lot of people aren't here Thank You, ma'am counsel Maddonis the List that we originally developed will utilized a waterfront list that I have Waterfront Alliance list. We've also Included Representation to the chamber and to the PD. We did not send to the entire PD board But obviously we sent to PD looking for them to extend outreach as well I'm not sure if it went to every single member of their Of their constituency, but we had about 280 people on our Just initial contact in addition to the press that went out in advance I think it ended up with a little bit of a roadkill For the pedestrians You're gonna have trucks back in out of the wash and we bring in an equipment and we bring in a vape That'll be something more for people to truck drivers to have to avoid Not all the walks have a light at the end of it So it's gonna make it that much harder for them off the walk to get on to commercial Street Also, I'd like to address the light you're talking about down there to High Street I don't know why you don't take High Street and just make it one way You add a light to commercial Street. You're just going to slow down the traffic Okay, burning questions and absolutely have to say okay, sir To the extent there are downside issues Downside In the morning trucks can park down the board And If they're forced by Constraining access on the satellite to go down there camp and then deliver the five or six different establishments You're creating Yeah, I see on plans one and three There's the loadings on Union Union Street and also on Hurl Street this will pretty negative impact our ability of union work to back traffic trailers onto the war Also at Custom House, that's going to be an issue as well But especially on Union Street, there isn't any more way to go out the roads narrow as it is You start putting the deliveries on there. It's going to create chaos We don't have an insanely high volume of traffic trailers back in cross, but they're there every day It happens all day And also, where is this new? wider sidewalk In the picture it looks like you guys are taking part of you know in front of support us for example support us So we get the saws all out It would be widening into the street was the was the thought there One follow-up on your on your question sir on on the Deliveries on Union and Pearl if if those delivery zones were located a little bit further up the street with that Would that be less of an issue if they weren't right at the intersection? Which is a nuisance, but if you can't let them deliver if you Restrict the amount of space that you're going to allow vehicles to deliver on in the center Media man, I don't know if you drive down there Friday morning You know any normal day when he's not open it's truck the whole way I mean if you you restrict this to essentially three-track trailer lengths in each section you're going to push a lot of that onto the war and You know we we can't really handle it How are the war owners supposed to handle this when you push deliveries that are coming from the street now and Pushing them on to the war Okay, we want to get some more voting feedback from you And I also want to mention that if you have to leave before we end we're going to try to get out of here by 830 Please leave your keypad and also your white feedback form with us. So Don't leave without turning those in if you can so these are the issues that we would like your Keypad polling feedback on one will be the center median two will be how is the curb space used? Three will be the transit service preference Four is the general delivery location and five is parking. We have we have two screens going here I know that one is smaller and a little bit dimmer than the big one up here, but we wanted to We're looking at sort of each concept element a little bit more in-depth now when we've Voted before it was sort of at the 50,000 foot level now that you've seen the concepts You've seen us or heard us talk about some of these a little bit more We want to we want to get your feedback on some of these individual elements So this question is what is the best option for the use of the center median? We know there's a lot of nuance here. We've heard really great feedback from each of you on this But but if at a sort of you know not 50,000 foot level, but a little bit more detailed level How would you? What would you see as the best option for the use as a center median there? And so we have them described a little bit over there Again reserved for traffic options. That's basically somewhat what it is now when it's not being blocked by center deliveries Do you want to delineate even more of it or maintain a good portion being delivered being? demarked for delivery zones or the third option which corresponds to concept 3 the Dedicated bidirectional transit use Okay any Clarification questions you can see the sketch the photos on the far left that describe each of these Vote one if it is to reserve for traffic operations like left turns To for safely delineated delivery zones three for bidirectional dedicated transit service So go ahead and vote. Oh, yes, ma'am Basically I Think it's in your evaluation sheet that that on the back side It does say that for like number one that has the travel time the biggest travel time savings of ten to twenty percent I believe and number two if it were That travel time savings goes down, but there's still a benefit and in number three for the bidirectional bus There's a travel time deficit. It gets the travel time gets a little worse. I think that helps to frame it Okay, go ahead and vote delivery zones Okay So I'm gonna leave this up for a minute just so you can explain it when it here So the curb space curb is I'm sure we're all familiar with but you know The curb is on the edge of the street Say again and as we as we move forward we want to evaluate how can the curbside be best allocated? And so if we go to the left there one is Allocating some of it for pulling bus stops that that's not to say the entire corridor would be bus stops That would be a lot of bus stops But but do you feel strongly that it should be dedicated that some of the curb space should be dedicated to that? second is Commercial delivery zones Dedicating it whether it's time restricted or not. We understand there's a lot of deliveries all day But dedicating some of that to commercial deliveries and then third is basically not allowing either of those and saying we need Employee we need customer we need other parking and trying to reserve that for for parking Whether it's with hang tags for something industry specific or whether it's general parking What would your priority be in that manner? Question is what is your highest priority for the use of that curb space? One is bus stops to is time restricted deliveries to free up the center turn lane and better managed curb space and Three is to maximize parking Go ahead and vote Pretty close But the highest priority is 39% for the time restricted deliveries to free up the center turn lane and better managed curb space So transit service alternatives when we presented concept one. We showed mixed lane transit service with pullout bus stops You obviously this is a metro bus This is Congress Street near Center Street an example of parking is disallowed in this area a bus can pull in It doesn't block traffic while it's allowing passengers to board in the light and it merges back into traffic This is a photo from Eugene organ. It is One of the best examples of having a single lane of dedicated transit that operates in both directions This is this is perhaps the best image in the country. We could get to show how this Works, we know that Eugene is not Portland every city is unique So we're not trying to to make that characterization, but they are similarly sized towns This bus service operates most of the way on a single lane and then where it it needs to pass It has a two lane section. So this is one way to visualize sort of how that can look this This center area here is the the turn lane and then further in either direction There's there's those passing zones where you have a two lane segment and buses can pass each other So you're either having the mixed-use transit or Dedicating the facility So the question is which is the best option for transit service along the corridor mixed-use with inline bus stops and transit signal priority a Dedicated transit facility with signal priority or three no need for transit service on commercial Street No need for transit service along the corridor Okay, general delivery So we've we've already found I think in the first two questions of this series that you guys prioritize a Delivery delivery space quite a bit, but this is where should deliveries occur The left shows an existing delivery on commercial Street Below that shows how you could use pavement markings to specify where those deliveries could occur You could also use bollards To further denote that but bollards Someone pointed out snow removal as a concern So you maybe need to remove them all bollards during winter, but all that aside That's one way you could designate it. This is the curbside near Franklin Street Just as an example doesn't have to be there. This is an adjacent Street on Union again Just as an example. We've heard plenty of feedback that that we may need to evaluate that a little further But just where specifically should those general deliveries occur? The question is which is the best option for general deliveries one center turn lane set back from intersections To time restricted at designated curbside locations such as early in the morning 6 to 10 a.m Or something like that and 3 is time restricted on adjacent Streets It was our understanding that we look to best practices from other cities and they at all had early early morning We appreciate the feedback that you guys have gotten that that made to be may need to be extended Throughout the day. There's a lot of delivery. So we may have Miss misjudged the volume of those deliveries somewhat But that was just in order to balance if you have say say 30 feet of curb space, you know From 6 to 10 a.m It could only be dedicated to one use and then later in the day It can still be parking which allows you to sort of double-dip your use there a little bit. Yes, sir The ratio of free trucks going in and see food coming out. I Don't think we've done a freight analysis of that type specifically We're also buying lobster off of a number of these peers So everything from a 53-foot reefer to a box truck needs to be able to access those peers So Go ahead and vote center turn lane set back from intersections Okay Right. I think this is the last one Appreciate your your participation. So this is looking at Projects or different policies to increase or manage parking capacity. So this is something we haven't maybe touched on and specificity as much Tonight but looking on the far left there either adding structured parking, which is a significant cost or looking to coordinate to reprice existing parking we found when looking at some of the other studies done along Not only this corridor, but in the general area. I believe there was a 2016 parking study done one of the findings from that was that on-street parking along the curbside and off-street parking And some of these lots is priced very differently and because the off-street parking is so much more expensive Folks spend a lot of time circling around looking for some of that cheaper parking if you can find a way to Better balance that parking either by lowering the off-street parking a little bit or at certain times of year times a day potentially You know repricing the the on-street parking you may be able to get that but for this specific voting The left option is either adding that structured parking or repricing the existing the middle option is pricing parking for increased turnover So typically the higher you price on-street parking the more Turnover occurs there if it's higher people aren't going to wait as long when they're when they're parked there because it's more expensive And while that cost is obviously something to consider when you have that additional turnover You can price it in such a way that makes sure that there's usually say one space or two spaces Almost always available on a given block and when you do that it means there's less circling It contributes to to less traffic, especially when you have out-of-town visitors who may not know where to park They just got in they've never been to Portland before So there's there's ways to manage that parking At different times and then the third is looking to industry specific hang tag parking We have noted this for the marine industry, but you could apply it to a number of different specific user groups. Yes, ma'am the city has the parking permit districts and Commercial Street is not currently in any of that I have to live in that area, but it's no district They're currently only seven spaces In the in the whole entire district that are open and they usually take in by people trying to win the meters So I'm wondering whether or not if you were talking about that It might become part of the people who have legal district to work in Yeah, would that be possible if you were to say I don't I don't want to speak out of term But I mean in theory it is it is possible But I will let Bruce and Bill and others if they want to weigh in on that note, but Certainly you can have permits in that way and that would be one way Hey So this question is what is the best option to maintain or increase parking capacity and availability one? Manage parking pricing and duration along commercial Street to increase turnover to add structured off-street parking near commercial Street Three employee hand tag hang tag parking and dedicated parking spaces Decrease parking along commercial Street by your redoing it and now you're wanting to make more parking available You know, I work on the waterfront. I have help and You're driving this way Another comment. Yes, sir What is the I'm assuming the structured off-street parking is something the city would build and what is the value of What is the cost benefit of having the city build a parking structure as opposed to having the city sell a Parking lot and have it developed into condominiums or something like that. There's a trade-off the city has a Conflict of interest here in that they make a fortune off parking, but that also takes real estate off the tax roll So there's an economic factor about structured parking There's a lot to to unpack in that in that comment, but There's a lot of different possibilities to use that off-street parking I think for this question We're just looking at at the preferred way to try to manage manage that parking and increase the availability of it at different times Thank you for everybody for really engaging in these questions I think that when we get the answers Really think about you know use of the quarter because that's the key to what we're evaluating right now So if we think about how we're using the quarter or how we might provide an alternative for that There's no perfect question that's going to capture all of that and I think you're you're wrestling with it It just helps exemplify the complexity of these issues But when you answer these questions just think about the quarter specifically because that's what's going to inform this particular study Any more votes add structured off-street parking near commercial Street. Okay So we have a few more minutes Just if there's any more comments that haven't been made that you want us to know We also want to give you the opportunity to get up stretcher feet you've been sitting for a long time and Make go to any of these charts are all the same around the room and leave a sticky note with your comments, sir That's true that's true. Thank you any other comments. Yes ma'am hold on folks Oh Great, thank you any other comments that haven't been made and also please leave us sticky notes if you'd like so just a quick Thank you for your feedback and also what's happening next Next steps just to keep you guys informed really appreciate your feedback tonight multiple ways you've given it We're going to use that feedback to identify a preferred concepts again We're not looking at just one or just two or just three we're going to combine those elements that seem to have risen to the top and and try to create a preferred alternative out of that and then from that there will be a Recommendations report that will provide additional detail for other future items based on the vision for this corridor