 Good morning all we do have a quorum but I think we are still missing two of our sub-tact members. What's the pleasure of the sub-tact do you want to go forth or do we want to give another minute or two? Let's give folks a minute or two. Okay we will do. Chair Burke I did want to let you know I received an email from Ryan Crawford that he would be a few minutes late today. Great thank you. Any panic attack when I was like is this in person or virtual? Because if it's in person I'm gonna be really late. I saw a virtual and I'm like yes it will be. We did pull the poll you all to see and you think we got very few response except from Mary Grace and Mike but based on based on the couple responses and then we just said okay we'll do one more zoom but we are following you know the new legislation and requirements and so we'll see how things go for the new year. Yeah that was a tough one to respond to because these are certainly convenient you know but at the same time there's a lot more dynamics and networking that happens in person so it's got pros and cons. Absolutely. Welcome Ryan. Good morning everybody. Sorry my voice is a little bit out and we're covering for a really bad talk. I hope you're feeling okay. Non-COVID. Secretary Manus did you hear back from Sonoma Water? Did anyone accept? One moment while I look. Okay thank you. Michael Thompson accepted the meeting invite. We'll give one more minute and then we'll go ahead and get started. Our council meetings are going back to in-person I think first meeting in December. I think runner park you guys have been doing it in person for quite some time. Yeah we we have been in-person since June 15th of last year when the governor opened the state we immediately went back to in-person meetings. Fully in-person or hybrid? Fully. So you don't give an option? Wow. We've been hybrids since about that time. Yeah some of it is yeah our IT staff really struggled the whole pandemic so when they didn't have to deal with Zoom meetings anymore they didn't deal with Zoom meetings anymore. Yeah hybrids can be even more difficult even more challenging. Yeah and then what we learned is if you didn't have the right equipment in your council chambers it was almost impossible. Yeah. We've been doing hybrid like I said pretty much that whole time. It's worked well. We can do it well for our when we're in the council chambers. When we've tried to do hybrid for you know WAC TAC meetings it doesn't work well it's too big. Yeah. Alright we're gonna go ahead and get started. I texted Mike but haven't heard that. So we'll go ahead and call the meeting to order and just a reminder to folks if you could mute your microphones when you're not speaking that would be great. If TAC members are able we ask that you try to remain on camera for the entire meeting because otherwise it looks like no one's on the meeting. And Secretary Manus can you do a roll call please. Thank you chair. City of Santa Rosa. Jennifer Burke here. City of Katari. Great Scott here. City of Runner Park. Mary Grace Cawson here. City of the Bastapoles. Ryan Crawford here. And Nama Water. And I do not see that Mr. Thompson has joined the Zoom yet. Great thank you. We will now move on to item two which is a resolution to allow us to continue to meet virtually due to the continued COVID health pandemic and recommendations still from CDC and local health. We can make findings that meeting in person would present risk and that we would prefer or we can meet virtually. So that resolution is before the sub-tac if anyone would have any questions or comments on that. All right so before we take a motion we'll open up for public comment. We're now taking public comment on item 2.1. If you want to make a comment on Zoom raise your hand. If you're in dialing in by phone dial star nine to raise your hand. And Secretary Manus do we have any public comment on this item? There is no public comment. All right great. Is there a motion? That's great. I did want to have a little bit of discussion on this. Just it seems like there's a bit of an upsurge in our tack is pretty well situated to have these virtually. So I wanted to propose approving the resolution to extend it for a little while longer just to see how this next wave kind of hits everybody. Certainly when we get into the budget I think it might be the time to have in person I guess in the spring when we're getting into the budget. But for this point I think it's I'm supportive of continuing the virtual meetings. Okay. This will allow us to meet virtually for this meeting and for the next 30 days if we need to meet our next meeting is not planned until the new year in February. So anyone want to make a motion? I'll move the resolution. Mary Grace Possum, City of Renner Park. Great. We have a motion from Renner Park. I'll second that. Okay we have a second from the Subhastiple. So as I said we have a motion from Renner Park a second from Subhastiple and Secretary Manus can you do a roll call please. Thank you. Sonoma Water. We get to join the meeting. City of Subhastiple. I. City of Renner Park. Yes. City of Katadi. Yes. City of Santa Rosa. Jennifer Burke. Yes. Thank you. Let the record show that vote passed before affirmative vote. Great. Thank you. Okay so we will continue this meeting. We'll move on to item three which is the minutes approval. Any questions or comments on the minutes before the subject? If not we will take public comment before accepting the minutes so we're taking public comment on item 3.1 if you're on Zoom and would like to make a comment please raise your hand. If you're on the phone dial star nine to raise your hand. And Secretary Manus any public comment on this item? There are no public comments. Okay so let the record show the minutes have been approved or accepted. And we'll move on to item four which is public comments for non-agenda items. If you'd like to make a comment on item four and you're on Zoom please raise your hand. If you are dialing in by a phone dial star nine to raise your hand. And Secretary Manus do we have any public comment on this item? There are no public comments. Great. So that'll take us to our new business. First item will be item 5.1 which is a presentation on Santa Rosa's Our Water Future Water Supply Alternatives Plan and call in close our senior water resources planner will be making the presentation. Good morning. I'll go ahead and share my screen so that you can see the slides get this set up so that it is in the right display mode. There we go. Oh it looks like I stopped sharing screen. I'm going to try that one more time. I apologize. Let's see. Is that holding this time? Terrific. Great so thank you so much Director Burke and good morning to the sub-tac. We wanted to update you on this effort and then our ask is to see if we might be able to have one of you attend and join a stakeholder group that will be working together to provide input on this effort over the next year. So I'll provide a little more information about why we're doing the project, what the project is and then tell you more about what we're asking. So there we go. So the purpose of this is to increase our water supply resiliency and reliability in particular in the face of risk of shortages due to emergencies and droughts. We know that it's been about 50 years since we've had a drought this severe but we also know climate change is here and that we could be seeing this kind of drought more frequently or more severely. The approach is to study a wide range of water supply options and develop a plan for increasing our resiliency over the next five, 10 or 20 years. So this is a long range approach to water supply planning that allows us to take into account studying some water supply options that under typical circumstances we might not find to be very feasible but looking at this as long range and reliability improvements make more sense. Here's our water supply portfolio, no surprises to you I'm sure. We have an entitlement from Sonoma Water that is largest basis of our water supply and we have a couple of city wells that produce drinking water and then we use a little bit of regional recycled water for our urban setting. We did our pilot project starting around 2009 and determined it wasn't really fiscally sound to expand it but we have maintained those 34 connections with recycled water so just a little bit of recycled. In 2020, 2020 was our third highest use year in the past 12 years so looking at 2020 on 19,387 acre feet 6.3 billion gallons and you can see that about two out of three gallons is residential about one out of four is commercial industrial institutional with their irrigation and then the non-revenue of course is firefighting, flushing mains, testing hydrants and then background leaks and main breaks that we fix on our system. And the sources of water so 93% Sonoma Water, 6% wells about 1% recycled so again we're very heavily dependent on one water source so when Sonoma Water has a shortage we have a shortage. In the past 30 years this is looking at the two population numbers that are that are in orange here are 1990 and 2020. That's a 57% increase in population but the good news is that our community has become much more water efficient so when I do the gross GPCD all water use for all purposes divided by population. You can see it's gone down from 177 to 97 that's a 45% decline and then when we look at residential sales that's including multifamily and single family and the irrigation associated with those accounts it's gone from 120 per person per day down to 65. So really good work lots of that has been water conservation programs as well as state regulations and so we're seeing that this trend is wonderful it's very good it's solid but we don't know that we're going to be able to see these kinds of declines going into the future. The indoors about 40 to 45 gallons per person per day on a five-year average so there's it's it's going to be tricky to bring this down very quickly from where it is today. All that adds up to a decrease in water consumption long term so with the total amount of water use has gone down so you can see that there's a steady trend line that decreases and then across the 20,000 acre foot line you can see that since 2009 there's only been two years where we've been above the 20,000 acre foot line so pretty steady decline in gross water use total water use overall 14% less use in 2020 than 1990 20% less use than 2004 so all this is to say we don't think that the problem is going to be average years normal water supply years it's really the emergency and drought scenarios that we're trying to address when we look out to the future this is from our most recent urban water management plan we anticipate that there'll be about 30% more people in 2045 more businesses more landscaping more institutional uses etc so there is an increase but really overall that 2045 increase is not much over our 2005 water use again because we become so much more efficient over time so again we don't think development is what's going to be driving our need for water resiliency and we think demand hardening is here as I mentioned before the gray bars are showing when we've had shortages that peach was a summer shortage due to infrastructure problems with Sonoma water's delivery but you can see with each of these extended droughts what we see is that the peak water use does not bounce back to what was pre-drought so that's good news but it is demand hardening it's going to be harder and harder to shave off and meet emergency needs or long-term drought needs simply with conservation I'm sure you're familiar with this this is Lake Sonoma's water supply so we looked at the 30 year average month for October November December and we looked at the lowest month storage and from 1992 to 2020 and then of course the 100,000 acre foot line is a bit of a concern to all of us if it if the lake does go below 100,000 acre feet and here's how close we came last year how close we're getting this year so certainly this is of concern as well in terms of you know realizing that climate change is here and we're likely to see this kind of more severe drought scenario more frequently than we have in the past and perhaps more severe so this is what we're really thinking about in terms of this long-term water supply resiliency effort if Santa Rosa has a water shortage of 30 percent or greater that's when we would be rationing water the assumption is that Lake Sonoma would be below 100,000 acre feet and probably have a year or less of water supply and so we would be rationing with our existing customers and new development would have to achieve a net zero demand we've got a policy and a practice in place for the water offsets for new development and on paper we've got a process and enforcement for water rationing but we've never had to water ration water and it could have not only implications to our commercial I'm sorry our residential customers but of course it could have a dampening effect on the economy as well so this is something we'd hope to avoid the gray bar is what we project demand to be as we look out to the future stage five would be a 30 shortage so you can see by 2045 that gap is about seven and a half thousand seven thousand five hundred and 29 acre feet would be the shortage so this is the gap that concerns us as we look out to the future during these potentially emergencies or long-term droughts our existing capacity we've got our drinking water wells and a little bit of recycled water we can meet about almost eight percent of our average annual demand with our existing local supplies and we can come up with about 12 and a half percent of peak day demand with our local supplies and we'd like to increase the resiliency on both of those so the initial goal needs to be vetted it needs to be discussed and we need to look at whether it's sized correctly but the idea is to reduce the risk of having to ration water and to be able to meet peak demand more fully as we move out to the future so initially the goal is 30 percent of the 2045 demand as an annual goal and then as a daily goal be able to meet about 40 percent of our average peak day these may be too aggressive they may be too expensive they may not be actually necessary we don't know we need to have deeper discussions about these and this is again where we're looking at bringing in a stakeholder group to help us talk these things through we have lots of water plans already all of you probably do as well but none of them answers that question that we're looking at how do we reduce the risk of water shortage emergencies and droughts that could cause water rationing and other more difficult impacts on our community so we're launching this water supply alternatives plan and the scope of work that we requested when we posted our RFP included engaging a wide range of stakeholders helping us set those water goals helping us identify water supply options establishing criteria and study methods and then sending off the firm to do the study and develop portfolios different mixes of water supply options that might make sense for us to achieve our goals through a very competitive process Woodard and Curran came out as the highest ranked and we've selected Woodard and Curran to work with us on this and the end goal is to develop a long-term plan for achieving our water supply resiliency goals so we've already started to work with Woodard and Curran they're here today I'll be leaving this meeting after my presentation to join them on a facilities tour and then they are meeting with our water team for the first time on Monday so we're already getting started on these initial steps of discussing these goals and options and criteria potential sources this is a short list kind of condensed list of the options that we've thought about so far these need to be again discussed and vetted and then analyzed to determine whether they are feasible under what kind of timescale what kind of funding would be needed whether these would need to be regional projects that we partner with agencies on so there's a lot of work yet to be done but these are some of the sources that we are thinking about at this point in terms of developing a list target for study the timeline we've already selected the firm that's done that's behind us we've launched the project we'll start holding working sessions soon again water team on Monday we're going to have a community workshop coming up and then we'll have stakeholder group meetings coming up as well and then January through June study conduct the study and develop these mixes of options hold working sessions refine those as needed and then draft the plan and then we'll hold more working sessions and finalize the plan if you are someone who prefers to see a timeline in this format this is another way of looking at all of the working sessions that will be occurring along with the key deliverables associated so again initially between now and December finalizing those goals and supply options for the study refining the study criteria what are the waiting factors for each of them what are the priorities and the study methods then over the next six months initially the first four months would have incurred doing the study and developing portfolios and then we workshop those and refine those they draft the plan we workshop the plan and it gets refined and then by October we end up with a final plan so that's the schedule before us at this point so with the water team that's our key stakeholder group internally as you might imagine really drawing on our operational and institutional knowledge and expertise and so we've got the director Burke and then also our deputy directors and key staff from our five divisions that include planning asset management environmental compliance local operations regional operations we'll be holding four community meetings the first will be October 26th there will be simultaneous Spanish interpretation everyone is invited this will be on zoom so if anyone isn't interested they are more than welcome to attend these will be taped and post on our web page so folks can't attend but do want to see what the public has to say so the first meeting we're going to be laying out the basics and asking for public input on the draft goals supply options and criteria the web page for more information is srcity.org slash our water future and that's also where folks can get the link for the meeting on October 26th so this will be the first of four meetings that we have with the community to invite their questions and comments and suggestions and we're here today for you not only to update you about this but also to ask if you would appoint a representative from the sub-tact the work that would be included is attending four in-person working sessions provided public health is I guess processes or protocols are allowing us to meet in person these will be three-hour sessions and the team is going to be looking at the same thing the water team does in great detail the goals the criteria the potential water supply options the study methodology they'll be reviewing draft documents in between meetings and so we'll we're looking at November 16th 8 30 to 11 30 in the morning December 14th 8 30 to 11 30 in the morning and then the May and July meetings have yet to be scheduled so we are very interested in getting input from someone from the sub-tact to join that we've got about 20 representatives confirmed so far from a wide range of interests and so definitely think that we need somebody from sub-tact to be included we do have Calpine confirmed to participate and Doug Beretta is one of our key ag users he's confirmed so again sub-tact would help us flesh out that regional users representatives in terms of those interests so I'm going to stop sharing and I'm happy to take questions from you oops pardon me there we go any questions or comments discussion from sub-tact members Mary Grace um how do you guys see this working with Cinema Waters resiliency study part of the scope of work is for Woodard and Kern to be tracking that and keeping that in mind I think that's a big piece of understanding how to look at potential regional projects and also being able to understand I think you know not only the short-term efforts that Sonoma Waters doing to do drought response adding new wells and that sort of thing but also the long-term response so it's a key piece of this and we're also having a Sonoma water representative included on the stakeholder group so we've got someone we've got um uh Don confirmed Don Seymour and he's got an alternate in case he can't attend I'm just going to be very blunt here as part of this concern that they're not moving fast enough okay I would say it is to a degree but really I think the real the driving force for Santa Rosa even if Sonoma water wasn't doing its resiliency study really the driving force for us is recognizing that climate change is likely to make these sorts of droughts were frequent and if we do get into 30% shortage and we're rationing water that is just has such a long-term impact you know not only during the drought potentially afterwards to affect you know housing and business and economy and our own revenues and so I think yes there's a you know concern about the resiliency project that's the larger regional project but I think for from my perspective anyway Mary Grace the the driving piece of it is we need more resiliency for our own sakes to be able to not be so dependent on one source I don't know Director Burke is there anything you want to add to that I think that's a good summary I think uh two we're we're cognizant that we're halfway through the contract with Calcline and really starting to look at the future and what does that mean and and where do how do we want to look at both water supply and discharge reliability right so balancing the two so it seems like the time to really start focusing on that and looking at that planning and it looks like sorry I forgot my job at Craig I had the same question that Mary Grace had because the resiliency study seems to be open-ended have an open-ended schedule it's what year two or three now and in no end in sight the dependence on Sonoma water is you know is astounding right it's it's grease target just like 95 or plus percent I guess my question would be what issues would you see potentially for pushing off the schedule you've got it December 2023 you know a date for completion of the plan is that hey we're we're look we're pretty much having looking at institutional controls that we are our controls and so we're not we're pretty independent we're going to think independently of of these other age outside forces so do you see the December being like that's going to be met or would it yeah continue to be pushed off because I don't I don't I don't anticipate it being pushed off Craig thank you for the question I really don't anticipate it being pushed off a couple of reasons and we've told them October's it we want to be done by October this is a planning and policy document so we're not going to end up with one path forward we're going to have an adaptive plan that says hey you know regulations could change funding could change technology could change so we don't want just one path forward we want a document that empowers us to be able to make policy decisions that can influence our capital projects over the short and the long term but we need flexibility but and we want this by October we want to wrap it up we want to be done so they're very cognizant we actually wanted it wrapped up in June and they you know in their presentation to us during the competitive process they were like you know we just don't see it being able to to reasonably include all of the input from all the stakeholder groups and be done by June we recommend October so we compromised with them on that but here's the other sort of insight or baseball I'm retiring next year so this has got to be done before December I'm motivated congratulations any other I just have if I may one more time please it's it's intriguing it's an intriguing invite because there's definitely this sounds like a think tank this is going to be there's a lot of ideas going to be generated by this and a lot of resources more so than individually can provide and I know Santa Rosa if you set this up it looks like to be very thorough and it could be a very worthwhile process to be involved with this so when do you need when do you need that commitment bye well I'll leave it to the sub-tech to sort of decide but the first meeting is November 16th at 8 30 in the morning so any time bye then we'll work you know and the second date is December 14th at 8 30 in the morning so we have those two scheduled we and they're going to be in Santa Rosa one of our at our utility field office so we've got everything set up we've got the infrastructure sort of set up and it's a three they're three hours both times 8 30 to 11 30 so I think anytime before then unless Director Burke you have another thought about that well I think we were hoping today to provide an overview get if there was one particular sub-tech member or entity that was interested I also just want to make sure you all are aware and Colin and I have discussed this we will be bringing updates to the sub-tech at every sub-tech meeting so but we wanted to make sure that there was a voice there from the sub-tech because we are one of the major water supply sources in recycled water so if there's someone that's interested today we would grow up gladly take that if you all need a little more time to get back that's fine too Mary Grace Yeah Jennifer we're very interested I mean recycled water is 20 25 percent of our portfolio we'd like it to be more that's a discussion with you to get that to happen so yeah we would be very interested in participating so would would the sub-tech be comfortable or would we be okay recommending Mary Grace as being the representative for the sub-tech kind of give a pull thumbs up thumbs down I would be got it you got an I right here would you take more than one representative or we've had that question a lot and we've really tried to limit it to one because we we're trying to keep a pretty manageable stakeholder group we're already up to what 21 22 people as it is so if you're interested Craig we could definitely have you be the alternate for the sub-tech if Mary Grace can't attend okay and I don't know director Burke if if we wanted to we we did lose one one one person I and I'll talk to you about that later it's not somebody that we were terribly it was a it's fine that they're not going to there won't be a representative but what we what we perhaps could do is if Mary Grace were a representative of one of our recycled water users and then if Craig were the sub-tech rep there is I think a logic and a reason and a compelling argument for that so I'll leave it to all of you to decide but you know we did one seat is left open at this point and there's no logical path forward to fill it so if if that were to work for you director Burke I could see us being able to do that if that seemed reasonable and and not inappropriate yeah I'm good with that as long as they're as long as we don't have to representing one interest yeah so and Mary Grace would you be comfortable as representing rona parks for recycled water interest rather than the sub-tech and Craig I was assuming you would be perfectly comfortable representing the subject okay great well that works for me if it does for all of you I I do think you're right Mary Grace this is a huge part of your portfolio just as it is for Calpine and just as it is for ag and so that works for me if it if it works for everyone okay yeah and I I mean I think you all know this is not a secret at this point the federated Indians of great Rancheria are planning a major expansion they they're water sources groundwater they'd like to have recycled water available to them we from a regional groundwater standpoint would like to support that but you know that's a that that's a large negotiation with a large group of stakeholders about you know how we get the right flavor of water to the right use in the right way at the right time yeah absolutely and I think you know I think everyone on the sub-tech is aware we uh we have a strong relationship with Calpine and they have a strong interest uh it is a very important piece of our compliance to make sure that we have a weather independent discharge we have ag customers that would like to see more recycled water use we have groundwater interests to try and reduce off the groundwater basin and then quite frankly um at least for Santa Rosa we have a strong interest in also trying to increase recycled water in some fashion uh because we are so heavily reliant on sensible water so there are a lot of uh demands for recycled water and trying to balance those is really some of the just the good discussions we want to have through this process so I'm hearing uh Craig Scott as the sub-tech representative um and Mary Grace will also be playing a role as recycled water but not not totally related to the sub-tech so we'll have Craig as the sub-tech rep does that work for all all right um just a just a quick question um do you'll have the GSA represented in any way uh we yeah that's the work on that yeah okay but we do have uh Andy Rogers representing the Russian River Watershed Association so he is confirmed to participate as a stakeholder and so you know to some degree he's bringing that we also have Sonoma RCD and they're a key player in the GSA as well so we have some some folks who are sort of wearing two hats if you will but our our actual GSA rep that sort of fell through um from the advisory committee and it's not really clear from the board perspective either so we're as as Director Burke said we're still working on that okay well I think you can count on more than one of us to wear multiple hats yeah yeah a really good point well thank you all so much I really appreciate this and so I'll be getting calendar invites out um and if you're interested in just seeing what we've said to the public so far again srcity.org slash hour water future there's also a couple of recordings in the past meetings section where I presented to the city council bpu liaison and to the bpu so they're about 20 minutes or so so if you wanted to see you're not going to see a whole lot more than what you've seen today but there are a couple of recordings up there um and uh so thank you all very much and with your permission I'm going to go ahead and join ordered and current if that's okay no no wait hold on we have to do a public comment so right now we have um uh the recommendation is uh Craig Scott uh Brick Tottie so we'll finalize that after we open for public comment um so we'll now take public comment on item by point one if you are on zoom please raise your hand and if you're on the phone that'll star nine and secretary manus any public comment on this item there's no public comment okay great so with that uh thank you very much Collin and thank you Craig for representing the sub-tech and uh and and thank you all right great we will now move on to item five point two and item five point two is our fiscal year 21-22 financial update and Nick Harvey administrative analyst for city of Santa Rosa will be making the presentation thank you director Burke and we'll take me just a second to get my screen set up here and are you all saying that okay yeah yes so as director Burke mentioned my name is Nick I'm an admin analyst on deputy director Zunino's team and I will be giving you a an update on the preliminary financial results uh for the regional enterprise for the fiscal year ending in June 30th 2022 okay so on the operations and maintenance side there's a lot going on here a lot of variances but the first thing and in my mind the most important thing that I'd point out is the bottom line figures showing that even though there were significant variances in a couple categories we still at the bottom line came out below budget on our operations and maintenance expenditures um regarding the two largest variances the o1m projects 21 or 22 variance there are several reasons for that um one was the server and computer replacements for the regional operations in the lab we also invested in some soil remediation on the biosolid land application sites as you all know our most significant cip project at the moment is the uv disinfection system replacement but in the meantime a large component of our o1m expenditures is maintaining the system we have and keeping it up and running sort of significant investment there and then the last major item that contributed to that actually ties into the 18 or the 19 variance on the utility side and that is because our combined combined heat and power engines we had uh a couple down I believe we still do uh what we've been investing in in parts and maintenance on that to get that system back up and running at full capacity and that drives the variance and utilities because to the extent that those engines aren't online and providing power we have to then purchase that power from pg and e so our utilities came in a little higher than expected yeah so a few budgeting highlights um as you all know we're continuing our one million dollar per year year over year increase in the cip cash funding shimek has begun construction on the uv disinfection replacement project which is good news because as you all know that's been a long time coming and then a couple other highlights just to show that while you know much of our focus as an enterprise is on the the treatment infrastructure itself and everything directly involved in treatment that you know we we do still have an eye to other elements of the system and are maintaining and investing in them uh one example is mycom is pump station roof replacement uh to investment in the sorry that's an investment in the geyser system and we also completed a roof improvement on a maintenance building at the levy unit treatment plant okay so in spite of our challenging overall rising cost environment as we all know inflation has been pretty bad costs are always rising um lately at least we're still budgeting effectively finances working you know unexpected funds to be distributed by actual flows finances closing out the fiscal year we'll be hearing the results of that in the coming months another good highlight is that we paid off an interfund loan for the purchase of the walker avenue property if you recall that was a biosolid land application site that we purchased a while back and we took a loan from santa rosa's local wastewater reserves and so the fact that that's paid off is going to result in about 125 000 dollars per year and savings going forward so that's that's good news and something I already spoke to we're continuing our proactive investment in onem project needs at the plant you know last year the year before we saw some unexpected failures that required increased investment but now we feel like we're out of place where we stepped up that investment and are doing a much better job at keeping pace with the needs okay looking ahead as I just spoke to the finance department's going to be calculating the user agency refunds in the coming months I've begun the process already for fiscal year 23-24 speaking with our capital projects engineers and gathering information for capital needs for the next year we're going to be continuing to monitor progress on the uv disinfection disinfection replacement project there's quite a bit involved there as we the bond principles invested in several different securities and so we work closely with our financial advisors for cash flow planning so we can liquidate securities in time to to pay for invoices and costs related to the project as they come up so we're leaving the securities in place as long as possible to take advantage of any interest earnings to help offset the the net cost of the enterprise and we'll be doing a lot of work to ensure that we have adequate funding to address upcoming capital needs. A couple other highlights is that a year or two back you all had expressed some interest in having a regional enterprise specific rate model so that you could we could plug in figures and see how that would affect your agency's rate models individually. Kimberly and I have been working on that with our rate consultant and we'll be looking at that in the coming months and hope to share the results of that with you during this year's budget cycle and see how that goes and with that I'm more than happy to answer any questions if you have any. Any questions or comments from the sub-tech on our budget presentation at your end? Craig and welcome Mike. Yeah I know Nick you mentioned that the individual agency refunds or you know how we're tracking with projected reserve balances is being worked out. Is there any kind of indication now because I know with Katati we were kind of flirting with the negative we're kind of in the negative and trying to move that positive. Is there anything you can tell us at this point? You know we we we under spent on an ONM on a net basis but at the same time the the analysis is very complicated and has a lot of nuance to it so I'm not inclined to speculate on it unfortunately but you know deputy directors you know and I can certainly update you once we we hear more from finance. Any other questions or comments? Yeah Jennifer one real quick one for Nick Nick did you say we're up to eight million a year and pay as you go capital funding? Yes and as a reminder that that's eight million for the fiscal year ending June 30 2022 so that was 21-22 we're currently in 22-23 which has nine million programmed and we're looking to budget 10 million for 23-24. And as I recall and you may not have this all the top you heard I always like to compare it to your depreciation and I don't know if you happen to have that number I think it was like in the 15 to 20 million dollar range or annual depreciation? That figure is actually a little tricky because for financial statement and CAFR our published CAFR local and regional enterprises are actually consolidated actually for that purpose so I you know I could work with deputy directors and you know we might be able to get you some some ballpark figures but to get to the level of granularity to say this is definitely the figure attributable to the regional enterprise that is a bit tricky but we can definitely try and get you in the ballpark if you'd like. Yeah I mean I think you know what we started with you know when we started this I guess coming up on 10 years ago that it's what's great about having a go up a million a year we can he gives us like a easy way to track it but you know really the goal was to make sure to get it to the to your to the rate of depreciation so that you know otherwise you know all we're doing every year is borrowing against the depreciation and if we're not reinvesting and I guess to that end if if you know in your spare time after you've figured out what the depreciation it would be it'd be interesting to see and Jennifer I don't know if you've looked or thought of this but it's something you know we do where I do where where we are is to look at you know your combination of your you know your debt service every year your you know with the debt service you have funding that's going to you know pay down debt service and then you have we have the eight or ten million dollars in capital investments and then I'm just wondering how that compares to the depreciation so you can kind of see it's a it's a measure of financially or from an asset standpoint are we gaining the ground or are we losing ground does that make sense to you or do you understand what it does because theoretically if we're investing at the same rate of depreciation where it's a one for one exchange you know I can't speak to that that level of specifics but the other thing I would say is depreciation while a good benchmark is strictly a theoretical number and many times our assets have shorter longer lives than the depreciation figure but we can certainly put together some numbers and try to get that out to you yeah and I couldn't agree with you more on that because you know we I mean for some times I know we appreciate pipelines over maybe a 50 years but they may have 100 to 200 year life and so get all that but I just don't know about it get it's better than nothing or it's just it's a indicator I don't think it's great it's the one all one it's one of those things you look at is that it's like said it's just an indicator and I wouldn't call it a completely quantitative but it's somewhere between the quantitative and qualitative measure right but yeah like said I don't if you would have time at some point when you're when if you're done with your end and in all of your spare time I'm sure you have it would be I'd be curious to hear that thank you thank you Mike one of the things I'll just note we had kind of looked and and we had done an analysis of our infrastructure both water sewer regional and determined a pretty significant gap in funding basically we are we are probably under by about half of the investment we should be making every year we are currently in the process of updating that analysis so we'll have what we call an updated infrastructure report card for all of our systems and we'll be um bringing that forward in the coming months and we'll plan to bring an update to the sub-tack on the regional report card as well so that provides us some guidance as well as our master plan and future projects that we're looking at thanks Jennifer I'm glad you could that sounds like really good information any other questions or comments from the sub-tack right seeing none will now open up for public comment on item 5.2 uh if you'd like to make a comment by a zoom please raise your hand if you're on the phone dial star nine to raise your hand and secretary manas do we have any public comments on this item there are no public comment okay great thank you very much nick uh and now we will move on to item 5.3 and this will be our regional operations division update and deputy director want to reuse mic prins will be making the presentation okay i may not be able to switch to the full screen mode and i don't think i want it's up is it full screen mode okay um i can't tell which is up good morning everybody mic prins deputy director of regional water use operations i think i may be a familiar face to a lot of you happy to be back and happy to be back presenting to this regional technical advisory committee um i've got a number of slides and we have a limited amount of time remaining so i'm going to go pretty quickly uh for the benefit of my colleague Sean McNeil has got a presentation following me so i will jump right in um topics that i want to oops topics that i want to address today are um recycle water storage status um allotments of our recycle water as they stand for the calendar year right now um some miscellaneous items that may be of interest to you i think they will be an update on capital improvements and then some items related to biosolids um firstly i'd like to introduce uh sort of virtually be a photograph only um our new treatment superintendent christian williams um yes your slides are not advancing okay okay are you advancing them yes i am so i'm not quite sure how i could change that let me try and restart the share i have not uh potentially not gotten all the uh settings in this computer setup right to run a powerpoint in full screen mode so how is that is that showing up is christian showing up no oh there you go yes okay uh hopefully the slide will advance in this case christian williams is our new treatment superintendent um he's a grade five wastewater operator he's worked uh at sub regional um since 2016 um he's not in zoom today but i wanted to introduce him because he actually has a very important role um operating the treatment plant here serving all of you um and uh i'm very pleased to have him on board as a permanent treatment superintendent um moving forward i want to give you a recycle water update um a storage update i'm concerned that the slide may not have advanced did it not advance it did not okay i don't know if there's a button i'm not aware of that is going to advance the slides if you want to send your powerpoint um to dina she may be able to run it for you okay it seems like it's looking i'll be ready which one is it looking at son son is here like it's looking at that screen yeah on your screen i don't know what's going on so the problem is this powerpoint's too large too large to send it's locked up and it is so tell you what i'm gonna do if you can send it to me in pdf i can share it in pdf in advance and you can still have your speaker notes up on your screen and i'm happy to facilitate in any way you need yeah thanks i'm going to save it as a pdf um right now it's just a different version than the one i sent to you dina so yeah i popped up the prior version and realized that it was i didn't see christian so right i apologize for the disruption here i look forward to meeting in person with you all so dina i just hit send so you may be able to pull that up i'm just waiting for it to come through one moment so in the interim i can uh just let you know um storage levels are in the vicinity of 250 million gallons right now um which is uh right about the average for this time of year we are setting up for a 90 delivery to calpine for the year oh there we go thanks dina if you could advance to slide five okay this is a curve i think uh most of you have seen before um the black line is the now past water year um which finished off at the end of september on the right hand side uh and the new water year is starting on the left hand side and that is represented by the red uh line um which is just currently slightly above our average which is the gray line um our operational storage levels are bracketed by the the light blue lines and then some operational targets are represented by the orange and yellow um sort of rectilinear lines i guess you could say and our maximum storage is the horizontal red line at the top of the chart um just wanted to give you an update about the overall uh water year that is now past and how things are looking right now we as i said are going to be uh reducing flows to calpine to i think about 11.5 million gallons a day which will cause the red line to move uh horizontally um with almost no change in storage maybe a slight increase um as we move towards the end of the calendar year next slide dina if you don't mind um this is a fairly busy slide but the point is to give you an update about where we are in terms of allotments for our entire customer base agricultural allotments we're um have now totaled 1.25 billion gallons for the year we started off with a 900 million gallon allotment in january and we increased that three times over the course of this calendar year to bring it to a total of 1.25 billion gallons um our urban customer base um most substantially roner park um that allocation for the year is 480 million gallons which is distributed 450 million for roner park and 30 million for san rosa and then as i mentioned we're targeting a 90 percent annual delivery uh for geysers which is just over four billion gallons um next slide some uh miscellaneous items of note that you may find of uh interest um the red circle there is circling pond a which i have some other photos of but i wanted to put it into context the treatment plan is obviously the lower right of this aerial photo um and pond a is not one of our largest ponds but it is a an extension if you will of the wet well that the reclamation and geysers pump stations pull from next slide dina this is the state of that pond uh earlier this year actually not that long ago i think on the border of a month um it has needed to be maintained for quite a while and there's quite a bit of full rush that had filled up the pond and was becoming an operational concern for potentially pulling debris into the wet well for reclamation and geysers next slide this is the state of that pond as it is today we worked with a specific contractor who had an excavator that had the capability of working inside the limits of a pond like that without sinking into the soft banks and uh pretty pleased with the results had some other photos which i'm going to skip just because uh in the interest of time i eliminated those moving on to the next slide if you will dina dina sorry um we were on standby power burning diesel uh in our on-site emergency generators at the beginning of september during the very uh serious heat wave that was impacting the electrical distribution grid across the state and so uh per a an order issued by the governor we switched to diesel power um we actually were fully on diesel standby power for total of 61 hours um at one point we were running 48 hours continuously on um our standby generators and we are seeking a reimbursement for the costs associated with that i don't have an update about that reimbursement right now but um when i have more information i will share that with you next slide um the santa rosa fire department actually um did a training slash tour event uh at ltp uh about about a month ago um they have a lot of new staff and they don't normally visit the plant to get an idea of the potential conditions under which they may need to respond um to an emergency so um it was actually a few days where we had um fire department staff uh come out i was amazed at the number of uh fire trucks that were coming out every day and i think this photo may represent that pretty well but um i'm very glad that the plant has the attention of the santa rosa fire department because there are a number of unique and hard to find locations where emergencies could require them to respond to so i'm i'm very satisfied that that happened and that was uh so well coordinated um next slide want to move into some updates about cip nick mentioned our uv project it's now underway um there are a number of things that are ongoing daily um a few notable things we had some uh a triple wide actually trailer uh that was used for construction management and other purposes that was right in the middle of the footprint and that's been moved um i think you all have probably seen the temporary flood wall at the plant made of concrete blocks um that is not a long-term solution but parts of it were in the way of the footprint of the construction site and that's in the process of being moved um we're working on shifting the uh temporarily i should say the main access to the plant from the south entrance to the middle entrance so there's some infrastructure adjustments with the gate and some paving that need to happen for that to occur and there's a number not too bad but a number of utility clearances and that need to be established in some relocation within the footprint as well um very importantly i was asked to remind you all that you've been invited to the groundbreaking ceremony which is scheduled for the 26th uh roughly two weeks from now and elise howard i i say elise miller um is um coordinating that and she's asking for rsvp so if you are interested in coming please communicate with uh elise so that she knows how to plan for that um i do hope you all can make it i understand if you can't but it is a pretty significant project um or the overground breaking i will say um we are moving forward with the geysers delta connection you may have heard about this project previously where the geysers pipeline actually runs fairly close to the east end of delta pond and we are connecting that effectively to delta pond for potential use of what would otherwise be stranded pump capacity at the pump station just across the street from the plant um great project very happy that it's happening has a number of benefits with it and ultimately leverages what would otherwise be stranded pump capacity um the discharge and i have some pictures of some of these coming up the discharge diffuser also at delta pond has had some problems with sediment coming covering the duct build diffuser nozzles that are actually at the bottom of san rosa creek um and have been covered up with some sediment and we are working on a dredging project to uh re-establish design capacity for that uh discharge system um we're upgrading our flare here at the plant we're upgrading our fueling station here at the plant uh to include both diesel and unleaded fuel and remediate an underground storage tank issue and then we've also permanently installed pumps to help with uh utilization of the west college flow equalization basin and that that is underway as well switching to a few photos next slide um this is an overview of the plant that shows the uv construction project um it's fairly self-explanatory but the red box symbolizes the new footprint of the the active disinfection system and then there is a diversion pump station which is a great feature allows us to take off spec water should it occur it does occur occasionally and the purple pipeline allows us to return it to the top of the plant um hydraulic grade line effectively so that we can retreat water um and then there is also a component of that was which is a stormwater pump station which will work in conjunction with our flood protection berm which is in design right now um next slide um this is just a way to orient yourself um the plant is at the lower right hand corner of the aerial and delta pond is at the upper left hand corner of the aerial and the blue line symbolizes highway 12 i'm going to zero in on delta pond next but i want to just sort of give you a visual orientation of where delta is relative to the plant next slide um the red circle highlights the portion of delta pond where the diffuser dredging project is going on and i'll have a photo or two of that coming up and then the yellow circle shows where the geysers delta connection um is being made to delta pond next slide so on the left is a photograph of the diffuser under construction um you can see the sheet piling uh at the upper portion of the photograph that actually is allowing construction to be occurring within the footprint of santa rosa creek at this location it normally would be submerged under the flow of santa rosa creek um the duck bill check valves have been covered with the pheromone of gravel and sediment which was not expected to occur um and we have a project going on right now to remove that the right hand photo is just an interesting construction shot uh that was taken during construction of that project uh before the diffusers um first say the nozzles were attached to the manifold next slide this is a shot that shows more or less the project area the excavator in the background is immediately adjacent to the south side of santa rosa creek where the uh work is going on i have another photo of that minute um there were a lot of environmental sensitivities that we had to address in order to do this project um the capital improvement program staff have done a great job getting this project forward moved forward with all the necessary permitting um including um protecting the ground surface uh using uh a tracked dump truck if you will and uh some huge custom pallets to prevent the ground from being uh disrupted by the construction work on the left hand side is part of the dewatering system to control uh sediment in the creek next slide uh this shows the the fairly straightforward process for the most part of removing gravel from the diffuser area the yellow features that you see in the creek are actually the top edges of some sediment curtains to control turbidity downstream of the project the interior that controlled zone has a turbidity of around 300 NTUs which is pretty high and they're working very well downstream of this we only have about six NTUs and we are allowed uh to go up to as high as 20 NTUs so the system is working very well and they are pumping water out of that just to minimize flow downstream um which is further helping the turbidity situation that water is allowed to infiltrate back into the construction site um nearby next slide at the other end of delta palm which as you can see in this photograph is basically empty that's a big body of water but it's effectively a bird bath uh within the pond um but you can see the spillway that's under construction in the foreground for the connection of the geysers pipeline to the pond um and that's actually a picture that was taken taken I think about two weeks ago so I think those forms are probably stripped off and the concrete is all poured and they're working on things outside the footprint of the pond relatively soon um next slide this is just another perspective of that spillway um there will be a pretty significant pressure reducing valve uh that will allow the pressurized flow to be reduced to atmospheric pressure before it enters that spillway um next slide I want to touch on a few design efforts of note um we have a pretty significant tertiary filtration system here at the plant half of those filter valves and actuators have been replaced but we need to work on phase two which is in design right now um the flood berm which I mentioned recently is also in design and good news there's been some enhancements to the hazard mitigation grant funding situation such that we're getting an increase in funding which we can talk in greater detail about probably at the next sub-tac um we have property in South County that we use for land application of biosolids um Twin Vista is the name that's given to the property it's a historical name I think um there's a levee that protects that property from flooding from Petaluma River and it needs attention I've got some photos of that coming up um Lana trunk lining is a very significant project we have a number of trunk sewers at the plant that um are definitely showing their age and there's a significant project to the tune of 12 million dollars to use some significant lining of the Lana trunk and then we also have a very significant project moving into the design phase for a very widespread electrical upgrade here at the plant and that is estimated right now to be around 20 million dollars construction value um but it's the early stages of design so that's a fairly um loose number um we are not moving forward right now with a replacement of our aeration header from our blower building to our secondary aeration tanks we had a sinkhole developed associated with a degraded portion of that header and we replaced it with an above brown steel welded pipe which is a very robust repair um and in the interest of moving some other high priority projects forward we're going to rely on that temporary repair uh for a while even though it's impacting a lesser used portion of access here at the plant um we can get by and allocate money to other projects instead of moving that forward right now um next slide this slide just is a visual representation of the Lana trunk coming into the plant plant obviously is at the lower right hand corner of the aerial um the the hotter the colors I guess you can say uh the more concern there is about the condition of the pipe um at the top of the trunk sewer which is represented by the multicolored line there there is a light blue section that section is actually right near where sabastable ties in to the Lana trunk and that section was lined I think on the order of 20 years ago so it's probably in the best condition of that entire section of pipe also there's been a lot of lining work done near the treatment plant at the lower right hand side which is also represented by the light blue color but there are a number of sections of this trunk that are a significant concern um next slide this uh is a shot aerial photo of some land application property that the city owns uh down near highway 37 the red circle is the twin vista property that I mentioned earlier and I want to zero in on the Petaluma River side of that property on the west there so next slide this is a view looking to the north um Zach K our biosolids coordinator is there on the right hand side of the photo pointing at a portion of the levy where there is seepage that is causing the vegetation to still be green at a time of the year when it normally wouldn't be and um obviously the Petaluma River is on the left hand side next photo and this is a an example of sort of the problems that we're seeing with the levy down there I don't think the levy was really constructed to last as long as it has and it needs some emergency repairs and then we have a project in the works to actually uh improve the levy and we're targeting sea level rise as an issue we want to address when we uh determine the crest elevation of that levy next slide speaking of biosolids this is just a photograph of some recently hauled biosolids down to south county land application sites it was just happened to be there when Zach and I went down to look at twin vista levy and thought it might be interesting just to show you what it looks like before it's spread and dist into the ground down there but that leads me into my final topic which is a few updates about our biosolids program next slide the regional board region two regional board has issued a draft document for changes to mitigation or should say monitoring and reporting program requirements for south county land application sites the same notice was sent to vallejo and napa there's a fair amount of research going on in the arena that the regional board is concerned about and we've been coordinating with vallejo on a response to the regional board which has now been issued and we basically have asked the regional board to consider deferring any changes to the regulatory requirements for monitoring reporting uh center is in vallejo and napa comply with federal regulations and have done so for a long time um but we are asking the regional board to uh slow their process down until the benefit of a significant amount of research comes to fruition in the next three to four years so that they can use that research to base any changes to uh monitoring reporting requirements on um we are also finally contracting to do a biosolid strategic plan update and there are a number of issues that are going to be analyzed in that uh work um what we're going to do with our compost facility ultimately in the long run um what sort of class say uh biosolids management processes we might want to consider and if there are revenue opportunities in the mix that could improve our financial position relative to biosolids among many other topics but those are some of note so with that i think that's my last slide want to see if there are any questions and i apologize for the somewhat accelerated delivery and pick up at the beginning of the presentation thank you mike are there any questions or comments from the sub-tech all right seeing none um we'll go ahead and open up to public comment on item 5.3 if you wish to make a comment via zoom please raise your hand if you're dialing in by a phone dial star nine and secretary manas do we have any public comment on this item there's no public comment for this item great uh thank you mike for that update on the regional operations division all right our next item is item 5.4 and that'll be a presentation on our environmental services division and shon mcneil deputy director environmental services will be making the presentation shon great uh thank you um chair burke and members of the sub-tech um i am uh let's see let me get my presentation set up i will go as quickly as i can here great are you seeing my presentation yes we are great let's see if we can advance it so how about that all right so i'm going to just briefly talk about three uh updates that are happening in our environmental services division i want to talk about our enforcement response plan and and uh significant industrial user policy updates that we're proposing uh and so this is our pretreatment program that supports all of the partners i'm going to talk about uh just give you an update of where we are with our laguna environmental laboratory as we're marching towards the uh t and i standards and i'll talk a little bit more about that and then just share a little bit of data if there's time on our wastewater epidemiological testing that we've been doing here um so our enforcement response plan is a general enforcement response plan that covers all wastewater users it's mandatory for the epa approved pretreatment program that we are all a part of uh and includes a pretreatment staff responsibilities administrative enforcement tools and guidelines and then it has ranges for the fines for industrial user non-compliance the current version that we're operating under was approved in 2010 and needed some updates and it's referenced and supported by all of the regional partners municipal codes and it establishes an enforcement procedural uniformity throughout the regional system so your codes just point to this um emergency response plan there's no need to change your codes as we update this so the overall changes are relatively minor we've changed staff titles and enforcement responsibilities they were updated we included hauled waste as one of the options for industrial users and then we uh updated our department name we used to be called the utilities department now we're Santa Rosa water so uh we updated that we're also updating the significant industrial user enforcement response plan this sits within the enforcement response plan but is specific to this significant industrial user uh these are uh policies for the users and we meet uh that meet the epa definition of an siu i won't go into that right now what that is um for time but will uh it defines user actions that result in non-compliance so it prescribes what they are so it's clear when somebody's in non-compliance provides a structure for escalation of siu non-compliance enforcement and outlines fine structures for the administrative and reporting violations and our current policy was also approved in 2010 so we wanted to update that as well um the changes to the siu policy are uh the definition of a significant non-compliance has changed uh to just to replicate the language used in epa regulations it doesn't really have significant changes to our program but it allows it to uh match and mirror the epa regs and it's updated uh acceptable user discharge ph to match our city code uh so that was one uh difference there the second thing I wanted to talk about is our laguna environmental lab just give you a little bit of an update it was established in 1968 expanded to add a broader scope of analytical testing in 2000 uh we have 13 staff who work in our lab and it operates seven days per week uh those 13 staff aren't all there every day obviously but um we spread spread it out so that we can provide um analytical results uh every day as necessary for our wastewater treatment operations and other operations and then last fiscal year we've processed over 19,108 different samples um the big change right now that we're dealing with is maintaining our accreditation I spoke about this at a previous um sub-tact meeting uh you know we are accredited through the environmental laboratory accreditation program known as ELAP uh this is the accreditation body for environmental laboratories in california it's housed in the state water resources control board um they adopted the nilac institute standards with laboratories and that we all needed to adopt these new regulations by january 2024 and that it updates the um the updates to the city program are focused with um the quality assurance program there are some on the analytical side as well but most of it is our quality assurance program and this is our timeline I'm not going to go into all the details you'll have access to these slides afterwards uh but this is just showing you that we are on target for meeting these requirements and there's a number of uh milestones depicted here um the other thing I just wanted to just update uh is in the last two years uh because our advanced instrumentation lab is about 20 years 22 years old a lot of those instruments have aged out uh because they were all purchased at the same time so this is just a list of the major instruments that we have changed uh in the last two years and the way we budgeted for this was a little bit each year uh so that it didn't come as a big hit when they all needed to be replaced um so this this represents quite quite an an investment in our laboratory then I just want to briefly kind of go over uh the epidemiological studies that we're working on right now we've been working with two different entities uh BioBot is one we send them samples and they run the analyses looking at COVID I'll share you a graph with that but we also started working with Verley who's actually paying us to send them samples and they're looking at COVID monkeypox influenza A and the respiratory syncytial virus RSV so this is what we're getting from BioBot we get uh we send them a couple samples a week and they're providing this data for us and you can just see um not going over the uh the axes here it's more of a relative um abundance you can see we're we're looking like we're in an increasing um uh level of uh COVID in our area uh so I think we're probably experiencing that in our work groups as well um I know that I am in my work group and and our department is as well so um it's it's coming around the corner here and then this is the data uh the the numbers don't pay attention to the numbers this is a uh a relative uh abundance based on um uh its relationship to another common virus and this allows this data this is what we're getting from Verley this allows this data to be comparative to other entities across the country regardless of the type of waste uh water that they have coming in so if you have a higher industrial amount coming in you should um have a lower amount of this uh other virus therefore uh they could look at um comparing normalizing our data to a facility like um like those we're also looking at monkeypox we've had a number of spikes of monkeypox in our testing but it seems to be somewhat episodic and uh following a national trend is starting to um decrease in abundance uh in our wastewater as you can see our last uh five samples have come in at at zero the respiratory syncytial virus I'm not going to give you the influenza a um graph because we haven't really detected any there was one sample that what did detect it and looking at the data across it seems like everybody had a high sample on that same date so I think there was a sampling error or an analysis error that hasn't been corrected so I'm not sharing any data because it's just a flat line but this is the RSV uh and this is a you know common it you experience a common cold symptoms with this but it is a can cause pneumonia and imprints and is very common um so uh we also might have staff who are out uh with symptoms but aren't testing negative and it seems like this might be what they've got um possibly so with that I'll take any questions thank you Sean any questions or comments from sub-tech members uh yes Ryan hey thank you for that wonderful presentation I always appreciate these here um I'm curious about um what are the cities I guess plans forward for um sort of some of the emerging contaminants we're seeing like PFAS and PFAS and what are our capabilities for tracking that uh we off other labs or um are we kind of yeah I'd like to get your comment on that sure so we uh participated in the state uh board order uh which required us to provide samples from our wastewater I believe maybe it was two sub-tech meetings ago I presented on that data um we are getting some follow-up with our regional board as they're looking at the data that we provided them we we looked at our influent effluent biosolids and uh we also have well monitoring in both a recycled water area we monitored those wells and well monitoring in a biosolids application uh site so we're looking at that we are also looking as um deputy director uh Mike Prince spoke today about the work going on in South County we're joining a research effort uh that is a national research effort with Dr. Lee looking at the effect of biosolids and she's going to be taking samples uh from our wells to and our soils to look at the fate of PFAS and instead of looking at the just the 31 PFAS compounds that were in the uh general order and that uh we have ELAP certified um or EPA certified methods to analyze she's going to be looking at uh hundreds of different PFAS compounds and and precursors uh to to look at the fate there and so we'll be participating in that study and obviously uh it does seem to be an area of emerging uh concern uh with the PFAS because they don't uh seem to go away um and uh we're we're looking at or have already looked at one of the the wastewater coming from the leachate from the landfill uh and they have elevated levels of PFAS in there um but those are going to be different than what we might get from a lot of residential it does seem to early indications are showing that uh no matter how much industry you have the PFAS levels are relatively consistent uh throughout the like industry doesn't um spike your amount of PFAS levels so it does seem to be primarily a residential source and uh we will be looking at how we might do a pretreatment approach thank you any other questions or comments from sub-attack members no thanks for the presentation seeing none uh we'll open it up for public comment uh if you'd like to make public comment on item 5.4 uh please uh raise your hand on zoom or if you're on the phone dial star nine to raise your hand and Secretary Manus do we have any public comment on this item there are no public comments on this item great thank you and thank you very much Sean for your presentation and we will quickly go to our very last item uh our very last item is our proposed schedule for next uh year's sub-attack meetings um so before you you have our proposed meetings to occur in uh February on February 9th March 9th April 6th uh which is typically our first Thursday of the month meeting for budget purposes and then October 12th at this time uh based on new legislation we're anticipating that we will likely be meeting in person um but if things change we can always make a finding uh to meet virtually as I believe AB 361 will still be in effect concurrently with the new legislation so with that any questions or comments from the sub-attack on the proposed meeting schedule sounds good yes Craig can you quickly put the schedule on my screen the links and the agenda aren't working for me sorry I think I can we will see how this oh thank you Dina so uh does that work yes okay great any other questions or comments from sub-attack on this item and I will make sure and send out the schedule to you all uh so seeing no other questions or comments we'll now open it up for a public comment on item 5.5 wish to make a comment by a zoom please raise your hand and if you uh are on the phone please dial star 9 to raise your hand and secretary manis do we have any public comment on this item there are no public comments all right well with that uh thank you very much sub-attack members apologies this this meeting went a little long uh we will adjourn the meeting at 937 today thank you all so much thank you oh Craig thank you question yeah sorry um it's a really good opportunity we're we're we're gonna dig up west here at avenue to put up in a new sewer here in november and december and so that's just an fyi it's part of our in i reduction program just quickly cool thanks thanks craig okay thank you all have a great day