 Wait, but I really want real half-and-half there. There were a few times today when I was revoking invitations where I knew the person You know where I'm like, oh Alan char. I'm sorry. Oh my girlfriend. I know you'll understand Linel was one of them. Oh Well We still love you mom She's like, I don't she probably didn't even realize she's pretty get that email and go. What is this? Yeah, she probably was very confused by the whole thing like like in general She's like discord. I don't know. How do I get in there? I'm like mom. You're in there I see you in there and like literally like it's like it's like a green little light by your name I won't I won't call you out person With the confusion of the invite that didn't work to the wrong slack someone Messaged me in the boss's slack saying that their slack was the uprights Like I'm like first of all, I'm not gonna judge you because I just sent 216 Wrong server, but you're in slack right now telling me so obviously this slack is working No, I am it's funny you you get to these situations like I had to use an old laptop to Record a episode of have such a good day with Heather Frank my co-host and you know, it's an old laptop It's like circa 2010, you know lots of things where I'm like, what's your Wi-Fi password? And like we tried to like put it in wasn't working and she was like, let me just like it to you And I'm like, no, but I don't have the internet You know like where she's like, oh, yeah, of course Let me all just I message it to you. I'm like again Don't have the internet like it's so weird when you like you're like missing this like very obvious thing. I Hear you Amos Earlier today, I was playing some mobile games and of course one of the tricks is to put your phone in airplane mode So you can't get the ads you can just keep playing the game And I was waiting at my appointment and I was doing that and then later on my wife was like Didn't you get the home texts and I was like, oh, no, I must have been in a no-cell zone April fool Yeah, and then of course once I turned it back on my phone just flooded with notifications that I missed Did you guys want to get your April fool's jokes out of the way before we start the show? Anybody got some good stuff did mine by inviting people into a server. I wouldn't know a lot of them into Was what was you know, nobody's actually said that seriously in any seriousness yet. Um, I Did pull my spider spider on your shoulder this morning I hear your wife. Yeah. Yeah, yep bet she loved that She's sort of half fell for it like what oh and nevermind After all of our you know Hemen and Hawaiian about like do we care about April 1st? We not You were like, yeah, did this better joke? I Said when we were talking about that last week me you may not remember or didn't hear I said I will do the spider job. That is my one. Okay. All right. All right. Yeah, I did miss that I Haven't done April fool's jokes since I was very little because my birthday is the first week of April So there's always like this weird. Oh, we're doing something such blah, blah, blah, blah, and then it always ends up in disappointment So when is your birthday? Saturday Happy You guys I'll be 42 this year. So I will be I know you're a baby So April 6th. Yes, it's your birthday. Okay. We're gonna put that on the little calendar I did an April fool's video for CNET years ago where I I Reviewed a new mobile carrying case That was basically a suitcase like a full-size suitcase. I Don't know if it's still around was it why was it a joke? Because it was a joke about carrying cases for phones making the phones huge So it was like here's this new carrying case. You know, you put your phone inside Which is maybe less funny now Yeah, phones are so big. I know this was before big phones. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's the people now would be like I don't get it Yeah, like what was the joke a suitcase for a phone? Whatever Tom? Yeah, and that's why I don't do April fool's jokes anymore You know, we should do a show. Yeah, no April fool in there. All right. Mmm. Everybody ready? Yep Here we go in three two Kimberly Herbert has supported independent tech news directly for five years be like Kimberly become a DTNs member right now patreon.com slash DTNs This is the daily tech news for Monday April 1st 2019 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt and from studio feline I'm Sarah Lane and I'm the shows producer Roger Chang Our intern Amos is alongside as well today. How's it going Amos? I am doing well. Happy April it's April fool's free zone. We have no April fool stories. I'm not a fooling you when I say that I know of I feel like the internet calm down This this this year. I mean we might have set the tone. I have to say Not too much credit, but like yeah, I I woke up today feeling like It's gonna be one of those one of those April fool's days. I'm not really. No, it's fine So let's talk about a few tech things you should know Cloudflare announce an update to their 1.1 point 1.1 point 1 app Which now integrates a VPN called warp warp encrypts all internet traffic from a device to the point that it hits Cloudflare's network and then uses a Google develop protocol called QUIC Which builds on UDP to offer improved reliability replacing transmission control protocol also known as TCP Might know that one Cloudflare claims that using QUIC and routing traffic over their wide network will noticeably decrease page loads While offering improved security warp will be available in an update to the 1.1 point 1.1 app as of April 1st With paid plans available for greater access speeds As far as we know not an April fool's joke not a very funny one if it was no air BNB confirmed It has invested in India's hospitality services and booking aggregator. Oh, yo Oh, why oh which sources say to tech crunch is worth between 150 200 million dollars in a late 2018 funding round. Oh, yo was valued at five billion Dollars companies are exploring having some of oh, yo's five hundred thousand rooms across 13,000 hotels and 6000 homes In eight countries listed on air BNB Let's talk about Facebook the Facebook PR machine was in Here's what Facebook was up to this weekend in an interview with Axel Springer way actually we've got four things So we'll go through them one by one and see what we think of them Here's number one in an interview with Axel Springer CEO Matthias Delfner Mark Zuckerberg said he wants to create a section of Facebook Devoted to high-quality news so a section of the website like a tab He even mentioned the idea of paying the publishers for the right to list their content there Facebook tested moving news content into an Explorer tab, but it ended that test back in March of last year What do you think of Zuck kind of floating out this idea of like? Hey, we know you just passed a copyright directive in the EU for this will will gladly pay I mean, I don't know man. It For high-quality news. I am used to paying a premium. That's how lots of news publications work You wouldn't have to pay though Well, somebody would Facebook wouldn't that Facebook said it would be a non-revenue generating thing meant to just improve The quality of discourse in the world. So why wouldn't it be the news tab in general? Well, they want to create a high-quality news tab where it's okay People are sharing with each other. That's your personalized news The high-quality news tab would be curated This is stuff that you can rely on if you want even more news than just what's getting shared from your friends Yeah, okay, um, I sort of liken this to like when a Laundry detergent is like extra strength and you're like well shouldn't it all be extra strength like high-quality news Like Facebook like clearly this is an issue that you have across your entire network this entire time. So Yes, high-quality is better, but it's confusing to me how Would be implemented I think I understand what he's after it's it's basically like you've got your news feed from your friends, right? Just the way it is now and then you've got a tab that's sort of like hey If you're worried that you know your friends and relatives are feeding you a bunch of crap news And you want to see the high-quality stuff you want to see curated stuff You want to see stuff that's not just being passed around by your friends and family? Check this out We've got a curated high-quality section. That's like Apple news plus or like Google news Tech meme where it's like we're pulling together the good stuff for you rather than you relying on your friends and family Who you need to connect with for other reasons, but may not be the best trusted place to get your news I I would add just they would have a lot of They would have a very huge road to road to home because there's been just so much There's so much around around news and Facebook whatever combination that people would automatically put that into a Question mark like would I go here or would I just open a new tab and check? You know a news source that I trust Yeah, but if Facebook were saying because I know a lot of people who've requested this I want someone to pull from multiple sources in a way that I trust if they were able to pull that off that would actually Rehabilitate Yeah, it really just See how it the actual product looks listen, that's just one of the four Zuckerberg also published an op-ed in the Washington Post calling for internet regulation across four areas He said we need internet regulation Worldwide against harmful content to preserve election integrity to protect privacy and to encourage data portability He suggested creating third-party bodies to set standards governing the distribution of harmful content and having companies graded against those standards Privacy regulation in the mold of the EU's GDPR and support for the data transfer project for standardizing data portability Starting May 2nd Facebook announced that a why am I seeing this post button? We'll show up in the drop-down menu of every item in the news feed So not just with ads now But anything that's shared in your news feed from your friends and family you can find out Okay, why is this showing up for me? Is it because I always like the things from my ancestor? Is it because I once said that I really like the nachos it'll it'll tell you all that sort of stuff and Finally Facebook said it deleted 712 accounts and 390 pages in India and Pakistan for inauthentic behavior 549 of the accounts and 138 of the pages were said to be linked to India's Congress Party Congress said none of its official pages or any of the ones run by its verified volunteers were taken down But there is an election coming up April 11th So Facebook's trying to get ahead of that Pages removed in Pakistan were said to be run by employees of the Pakistani military's public relations arm the internet the inter-services public relations agency or ISPR So to sum up we've got floating the ideas of curating news to improve the quality of news on Facebook We've got an op-ed where Facebook says please we're big enough we can take it regulate us help us out here So we don't always have to take the brunt of the criticism And then you have explanations of the news feed coming and a crackdown ahead of a very important election in India I think I think Facebook is trying very hard to convince people that's turned over a new tree You mean a new leaf. Oh, you mean a lot of leaves like the whole tree and I mean it's I mean it were made they've made promises before and You know and subsequent released leaks shown that they haven't been as there's no promises here though Oh, I know I there's but that's part of it. I mean it's it's it's easy to it's easy to say That should do something rather than do it and so I think what they're saying maybe we'll do this They're saying please governments do that They're saying we're doing this May 2nd and we just did this accounts and deletion So I just no promises in here. There's no we might do it. Yeah, and I think that I think that's that's part of it It's I think at least from my my point of view until they actually do something substantial all of this will always come off So none of this is substantial enough for you Right the the adding of the why am I seeing this post button and the deleting of 712 accounts 390 pages not something to me It just feels like you're patching up a leaky roof. You're not I Actually will say the why am I seeing this? Feature is going to be very helpful When I am on Facebook today, you know, there are people from my past family members people I went to college with high school people that are in my life now and we're all very different and there is a You sort of end up getting the sense of like, uh, why are you know, why am I seeing all this stuff? And I think that if you understand that like oh, yeah It's my uncle that may have political views that are different than mine like sure that makes sense But but collectively it ends up being sometimes a little bit of an issue And to have more information about why you're seeing the things that you're seeing and why your news feed is the way that it is And maybe it's upsetting you a little bit. Maybe it doesn't that is good information to have Well, yeah, because it can change your behavior of like, you know what? I'm not gonna like that person's posts anymore because it's exactly Or and and we didn't mention this part of it But there is also going to be a feature that you can say oh see this kind of thing first Unfollow these kinds of things Change my news feed preferences like you'll be able to to make some of those choices right from this drop-down menu information You net Chang Hyun quit his lucrative Researcher job at Samsung to start his own YouTube channel. Why are we talking about this? Well, I'll tell you his story appears to be a bit of a trend at least in South Korea South Koreans had the shortest job tenure among member countries in the organization of economic cooperation and development or OECD as Of 2012 now This is just 6.6 years compared to the average of 9.4 years And if you're looking at Japan 11.5 years the survey also showed just 55 percent of South Koreans were satisfied with their jobs the lowest rate in the entire OECD, you know, I'm watching one of the most popular if not the most popular show in South Korea right now called skycast Well, it's entirely about The pressures that families put on their children to succeed in their exams to get into a good college Etc. So it's it's funny like I get like maybe that's why that show is so popular because it is such a Big pressure and a big part of life there and this shows that some kids are saying, you know what enough I I don't want to go into the system and become a manager at Samsung I want to move out to a farm this Reuters story said a lot of folks are more folks are moving out into Which used to be taboo like oh, you're from the countryside You're so low-class but they you know the tide is changing there and YouTube as one of those things that allows people to do that I think is really fascinating, you know And it's interesting because like like other developed countries South Korea has Typically higher youth unemployment versus the general employment figures typically two to three times higher and Their jobs tend to be more precarious You might have a job, but whether or not you'll have it for the same length of time say is your father Who had that same position and is also a big question mark And so I think what you see here in Korea is probably more extreme example But generally all over where people say well, why am I? literally working myself to death if my position in 10 years time is not going to be any better than it is today like There's definitely a shift in like, you know going and running through the Entire kind of academic gauntlet to secure a job doesn't mean that job is secure anymore I mean I would add to that you also have an alternative. Yes, right more so than ever And maybe not so much with the farming, but YouTube is a thing. We're like well, I could try that That's something I could do. I you know, I it's it's risky, but there may have not even been any viewable alternative for the generation before and Oh, yeah, definitely. I mean South the South China Morning Post had a story from December of last year, which indicated that eight out of ten Korean Millennials wanted to leave the country if they could like emigrate out to to somewhere else because I think there's just a level of dissatisfaction that you get when You're you're kind of pressured into doing a lot Basically, okay, so I'm gonna step back here and put a little of myself into this story as a confusion Culture there's definitely a lot of influence through East Asian sites whether it's China Taiwan Korea Japan and At some point you kind of get sick of people telling you what your life should do be and the way to do it Like you want to just take control and say alright I let me make my decision instead of trying to fill your expectations. I think you see a little bit of that here Yeah, and and again, I I'm just based on a very popular television show But it's a reflection of culture and that is the theme of Skycastle is the parents are making decisions for children To set them up for success, but it's the kind of success that the parents think is the only kind of success that matters, so Google announced new features for Gmail celebrating 15 years since the email service was launched. That's right Gmail has been around 15 years today Users will now have the option to schedule emails from the compose window This is something you could do with plugins and such but now it'll be native to Gmail Gmail's smart compose feature is coming to all Android users pixel folks had it now everybody on Android's getting it and they said it's gonna come to iOS They didn't say exactly when they said soon smart compose can also now suggest subject lines adapt to a user's writing style whether you're more formal or informal that kind of thing and They are adding support beyond English for Spanish French Italian and Portuguese smart compose so you could start writing in Spanish and it'll start suggesting things in Spanish now, you know when I first read this I was like 15 years. That's impossible 2004 now that's about right and and there was a time when it was like Sarah Lane at gmail.com people be like what mail hot mail Yahoo mail What kind of mail, you know like now it's it's if you don't have a Gmail account. It's almost a little strange and You know going forward to today. I love the smart compose stuff. I know some people hate it I know some people turn it off. I love it. It almost always knows what I want to say It's super handy and I say explicitly when I'm holding a child in one arm and I'm using my phone with the one hand I don't need to type the whole response like oh perfect. I'll select that one sent Yeah, I know it I mean there there are many times where I'm like It was close, but it wasn't far off from what I was actually going to say as a sentence Yeah, I find that it's good at finishing my sentences It's it's sort of I use it as a shortcut when I when a sentence is gonna finish in a predictable way It's really good at saying the last few words and I'm like, okay, cool. That speeds me up a little I don't find it useful Much of the rest of the time Really this point anyway, yeah, yes, you're just Somebody who doesn't work with with inside an algorithm. It's hard enough for the composer You don't want people putting words in your email No, it either it often it just doesn't suggest anything. Yeah Really, I have a lot of snappy comebacks. So I guess that's why it is Right. Yeah, like so many times. I'm like yep That's exactly what I was gonna say. Anyway, thank you in an email media statement Apple senior vice president of hardware engineering Dan Ricchio announced that Apple was canceling It's previously announced air power wireless charging Matt We talked about this on the show briefly on Friday because it was breaking news Ricky was cited failure to achieve high standards for the reason air power was originally announced in September of 2017 so it's been kind of up in the air for a couple of years now Most speculation is that Apple could make the pad work that had problems with either overheating wireless interference Possibly both the air power was using multiple coils to charge devices with different charging systems at the same time Yeah, I feel like wait a minute. I didn't hear you talk about this on Friday. It was on our good day internet Right after the show that you can only get as a patron patreon.com Dts but to kind of expand on this for those who heard it Friday and and and also introduce it to everybody else from what I can tell The idea was that air power worked great. That's why they went ahead and announced it They thought oh, we just need to bring down the interference and overheating We can definitely make that work. Well, we'll be able to hit certification standards And a few things I read said Suggested that they just could not get FCC certified that they could not get the interference down low enough In other words, it worked fine, but it wouldn't meet standards Other people like John Gruber have said that they've heard that overheating was it was a big issue that they couldn't get under control either It's not impossible that it was both But because they were trying instead of having chi wireless charging for everything if you're like well wait There's so many other chargers out there. Why why didn't they just do what they do? They were trying to make it so that you could drop your Apple watch your air pods and your phone on there And there were different charging styles for those devices So they were trying to make all of that work together a little bit of Apple Proprietary and a seems to have tripped them up if they had standard chi wireless in all three of their devices They could have just made a standard chi wireless pad and it wouldn't have been as much of a problem At least that's what it seems from what I've read And it's annual update regarding Android security Google reports that zero point zero four percent So not four percent zero point zero four percent of all downloads from Google Play were classified as potentially harmful applications Now that still is a rise in 2017. It was zero point zero two percent However, Google attributed part of the growth to tracking more categories for instance Google began tracking click fraud apps in 2018 for the first time and click fraud was the highest number of installed Potentially harmful apps that they found in this report. So if you add in a whole new category, that's your most popular category You would expect the number to go up That's a few tens of millions of app downloads zero point zero four percent Sideloting seems to be the biggest risk Google noticed that zero point zero eight percent of devices that used Google Play Exclusively for app downloads were affected by potentially harmful apps However on the preventative side Google said that Google Play Protect Prevented one point six billion potentially harmful app installation attempts from outside of Google Play So it does seem like they're putting a dent in things But and the numbers are small. Yeah Side of that like it's there there's a rise in an overall number because they've added some more categories They seem to be putting a dent in some of the previous categories as those are declining and the numbers are very small Even though it's tens of millions of downloads if you're careful and don't sideload apps if you are Selective about what apps you download and only download from places that you're familiar with or have heard about or seem legitimate Your it's would be very hard to get a potentially harmful app through the Google Play Store. However Obviously reports like this come out because Things do happen to people you do get harmful apps even if you're in a minority So as somebody who is not in the Android ecosystem, Roger, I know you are How much is this sort of a besides looking at some stats and being like, oh, okay How much do people complain about this? I I I generally don't really Worry about that stuff part of partly is because I download so few Apps in general. I you know, I get location I get whatever streaming service I have and then you know something to budget my time and and a few other things But typically I stay away from a lot of the games Which usually seem to be the biggest culprits Whether it's a freemium or other kind of like free-to-play game where people just download because it looks fun I usually don't have any time or any place to really play that so it's not something on my radar But you know, it is it is it should just basically Put a put a warning to most people just you know, be careful about what you download Most people don't sound side load Which makes the Google App Store so important on the way they kind of curate it But now I between me and five other people who use Android I don't think anyone of us have have a countered an application. That's that's been Be master in the chat room was asking how many downloads that is The the best estimate as far as tech crunch can say is sensor tower Estimate seventy five point seven billion Android downloads in 2018 So zero point zero four percent of that would be about thirty point three million downloads Which makes it sound like a lot it does what and it is the majority of the world's 9 billion people and half of those are internet users and 90% of them are Android users, baby Those numbers aren't right, but there's a lot of people use an Android So you're gonna have a small percentage end up with a lot of downloads But then how many of those downloads are actually harmful There's the potentially harmful and there's harmful a lot of it is things like click fraud Which is not harmful to the user but harmful to other people So your chances of actually getting malware seem to be avoidable, I guess would be my point here Well, I've got some good news For some of you anyway, THX announced able debut its large format THX ultimate cinema by the summer at the Regency Westwood Village Theater here in LA The format features dual laser 4k barco projectors and it a THX certified seven point one immersive sound system So essentially THX is taking on IMAX and also Dolby THX pledges to master at least 30 films per year for its system and the projectors are compatible with other movies as well Yeah, this is cool because we don't get to talk about projector tech a lot and they're according to the same gadget story about 18 different widescreen Projector technologies out there IMAX and Dolby are the most popular They're the ones you're most likely to run across but THX is pretty pretty well known So you may you may notice that one where you might not notice one of the others and it does seem like That should be what theaters do is go to these wider screen higher resolution better sounding Immersive theaters to get you to come in because that's when it's fun when you're in a like really comfy seat with a little bit Of rumble and a huge screen that you could never have at home That that's the kind of thing that makes me think oh, this is worth leaving my house for because I could never replicate this back at home Also, it wasn't that long ago that THX was like the coolest remember with Audio yeah, yeah, right. Yeah And you know, I think we just moved past having good audio be the coolest, right? And it went from from that to oh, we have to have seven point once around We have to build the utmost we have to right means with this wall of sound coming at you It's just it's totally evolved Folks if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes There's an easy way to do it go subscribe to daily tech headlines Also, thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit You can submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show dot reddit.com if you hang out on Facebook Well, we've got good news. 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Okay, this industry is surprisingly small Everybody knows everybody's why I have a bit of insight into the FCC finds and those affected The main provider of the robo service who is knowingly facilitating the spam calls was using a shell company Designed to be burned side from pain is fine if he does he or she anyway the ruling will likely not affect the main business at all It's also the only named party that was named as required to pay the full fine none of the other named parties Spoofers are actually required to pay their full fine because they simply don't have the money This will likely they will likely do the same thing shutting down their company make it a new name Start dialing it again. He's up. Yeah, there's there's two things going on here. 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Hardly new We're like half jokes Really come to fruition Wait, there's a there is a What's the joke would I would I Something about somebody having a Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's coming back to me slowly Uh, we got some good titles at showbot.chat realm net among all the people in the discord and the IRC that are watching live Including job satisfaction went south in Korea Happy birthday Gmail don't put words in my Gmail Apple ran out of air power Who's from my What Just because I felt immediately bad about using hers Like that should be like that should be a series like a Honored if you were used in the head and I agree I agree Um News from Facebook HQ Facebook turning over a new tree. That's a good one. Oh, it's good one Tom and I were like, what you mean leaf Rajah's like Tree Yeah, I don't know post from my anaster or Facebook turning over a new tree the I'm open. Oh crap. I can only vote once I want for Esther twice I just think it's funny But but I feel like my heart turning over a new tree is probably the most it's it's right That's the responsible one to use, right? It is. Yeah Fine fine and Esther we will come back to you Don't you worry My anaster gave me a book That she liked to read under a tree and I was 12 years old night Um, is Esther your mother or father's sister father's father's sister. Okay, all right Was she a Bastion of wisdom to you growing up. Yeah, she was a sociology professor at Arizona State University Look at Esther. Cool So she she knew people That that was her bag. Oh, I love those people Was lives of the cell lives of the cell the science book Because you know, I like to oh wait here it is The lives of a cell by Lewis Thomas. Oh a cell like a like a molecule cell not like prison cell There's her autograph. Oh Look at Esther with a great penmanship. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, that is nice All right, well, how's the book? I haven't read it in a long time, but it was really good. Okay Throw you Don't tell her Esther we loved your brother She didn't write it or anything. So yeah Fine Yeah, it's good You know, I did not um Roger. I'm go gonna go ahead and guess that you also don't have an aunt ester But I don't know but I have a friend named ester and she's So I I don't want to say anything that would be a bad omen Well, I mean because of the word ester no because of the late part Ah, yes. Yes. Esther was the sister of herald and harry by the way Uh, oh Was she metal or old? She was second. It was herald denester Then elaine. I always sort of wondered about that There were a couple of kids where they were like herald and harry we can do this. It's fine. Yeah, there were kids in there Yeah, yeah, no one will know I actually really like the name ester It's old-fashioned, but it's a cool name. Well, we were talking on it's a thing this this weekend that Molly pointed out that old-fashioned names are Hitting the charts, you know the popular baby names like amelia Sure Well, amelia has been real high for a while Amelia emily emma, you know all the variants of that But yeah, but yeah, once upon a time it would have been like amelia herd. Yeah, that's a that's an old Name, it's a great. Right. Yeah um right Esther and bula and dorthy and my grandma's name was stella So this is like a whole slew of my grandma's name was dorthy Mm-hmm dotty as she was my neighbor's name was dorthy I had a my one of my dad's employees was dorthy. She was the waitress, but Well, you know what was so weird was like, I mean, I don't know about the rest of you But growing up wizard of all is it was like the greatest movie of all time behind sound of music, of course Okay, here we go, right But um, you know that you know like the fact that like the protagonist was named dorthy And I was like my grandma's name is dorthy was so cool to me And it was all kind of in the same, you know genre of time um That I I've always loved that name for that reason. I always felt sort of special like my grandma's name is dorthy I want to know why there aren't more rogers Olivia is the number one right now Uh, it's a nice name. Emma ava sofia isabella amelia mia charlotte Charlotte's a old-fashioned one Harper Harper's new that's new Evelyn I I actually know somebody who had a baby recently and named her evelyn charlotte Abigail Yeah, these are all kind of old-timey sounding names. They are And it's weird because I always um You know, I I always Complain about the fact that my name is sarah Biblical name Never really going to go anywhere like always going to be in the top 20. That's just how it goes Um, but it's very common and there are a lot of other sarahs and every tv show has a character named sarah And it's just like uh, but everything that you just mentioned tom. I'm like, yeah, you hear a lot of that too I actually heard you on have such a good day talking about this And I looked it up Sarah is number 88 Now so that that is quite a fall from grace Thomas is number 74 Which to me like thomas that's so it's a common name, but it's not anymore Interesting 88 I was I was always top 10 now. I'm mad right Uh, roger is not in the top 100 No, but that's good That's why you're like you're like a cool independent Person who doesn't have to share your name with anybody. I was my name with a d No, I know that that's happened, but that is unusual. It's weird. I think most people would not do that Most people do not want to spell your name with a d. I don't understand why why The people who have spelled your name with a d have done that. I think it's because they think of the word dodger And so they just yeah, I not even la thing but just sort of like oh, it's You know pronounce like dodger. So there's a d in there I had a guy the other day at taco will ask me how to spell anthony and I was like Did you say to it? Why you're like the way that it always is spelled like that you don't like Really a lot of like variants of how to spell Anthony I got thrown for a loop with rebecca because I there was a There's alternate spell. Oh, like are there two b's or two c's type or they were Yeah, yeah, yeah Yep, and uh, then there was my classmate in high school molly her name was spelled m a u l i e interesting I knew an m a l y She was from cambodia. Her name was molly, but it was definitely not like an irish molly Her name was just molly Well, it still is Name these days, I think I can't find it. I think roger's a great name except for you know roger starbuck roger moor Okay, I can name a bunch of toms too, but it's dropped to you know 73. So tom brady Like all the they they're not disproving what we're saying roger Does the record trick? I I show some sarah names with people. I don't like either, but sarah lee um No, no sarah lee is without an eight. Oh, that's right. That is not me. That is a different different whole genus Nobody doesn't like sarah lee or nobody does it like sarah lee. It's nobody does not Like sarah lee. However, we all remember it as nobody does it like sarah lee Is this like sin bad was in the commercial? We even though it never happened Roger, I don't know what that means You don't know about the same bad like sin bad being in is it I can't remember the the meme now But it's like everybody remembers sin bad being in in one in a movie that he was not in Oh And you could just go out on the street and ask people like uh, was sin bad in this movie? Like, oh, yeah, totally. I know I remember that or you can even ask people Who was in this movie and people will often say sin bad. He was not and and and now I can't In the movie. Yeah, it's like the baron stain bear is controversy How you spell the bear or the baron stain part it well, so do we know who the baron stain bears are? Okay, so it was the baron stain bears the entire time But almost everybody growing up who loved the you know, the the you know the books and the stories and everything remembers them as the baron stain bears Even though it was baron stain like like very clear as day And it's like a weird thing that went on in people's heads where they like didn't remember it that way and there have been like Many podcast episodes dedicated to this and I've listened to all of them It's isn't that the whole mandela effect I don't know it's a whole thing because I was it like I that that like I remember the baron stain bears Baron stain. I would have told you like without question. Absolutely not. That was not the way that it was spelled But it was it's sin bad playing a genie in the 1990s movie shazam. Oh, that would know that was uh Maybe he was in a maybe It was the the big guy who's a sheriff first not not him Um The movie does not exact exist Kazaam they're thinking of kazaam. I am kazaam I remember the ad for it and no I had an nba player in it. Uh kazaam and did not have sin bad in uh shak Seems like a shak. Yeah Okay, all right But uh, well, you know, it's interesting. It's because of my yearbook, right? I bought it There was a girl in there that I remembered her last name in fact three people I just remembered their name the entire time. I would ever think about them like it would be totally misspelled It's like totally not my name. It's like, uh, well, I totally remembered it wrong I actually have a um a name issue going on at my building There are some people in the back who live in there. It's a separate structure. They're not actually in my house But they're on my property Wonder what the kids get there. Just take a bow Nobody See It sounds like nobody does it like sarah lee which would make a lot more sense up on the video Which you couldn't see it said nobody doesn't like sarah lee Nobody doesn't like sarah lee is the correct way. Like that's what the slogan is But nobody got it right and when you find it out, you're like the other way is better Because it's mango. It's slow. It's hard to distinguish Or just like sarah lee also sarah the nage and just like oh makes me so mad Well, that's what they give her. Why would you ever like Use a name and just like take an h off of the end of it. It makes no sense Why would you be proud of that? Sarah borralla spells her name that way doesn't she? Yes, many sarahs do in fact But I don't get why the h is cool. Why would you ever drop an h? Well, I think age makes your name cool. You're saying about the commonality of sarah. There are so many sarahs And so having the h distinguishes you it's important You should be You drop an age like i'm immediately like How would you call michael sarah? Should he have an h? That's different But but if it was only if michael's hard enough like we don't need to add extra stuff to the sarah park Strike it rich one says what about little debbie, which just makes me hungry I've never seen an ad for little debbie I know what little debbie is Yeah, it's it's like like kind of doughnut stuff, right? They were like I was I always considered them a slightly cheaper alternative to hostess Yeah, but they're all More fashion than hostess like they're snack cakes and Stuff they're not twinkies. They're they're not ripping off hostess's uh form factors put it that way Were they before hostess? No, they both go back the same Okay, I don't think life existed before hostess did it If it did it thank god we weren't part of it hostess existed before I was bored that much I will admit Yeah, that's that's what i'm getting at I I I think I think we can say across the board Chocolate snack cakes oatmeal cream Banana twins one after another there's a little debbie treat for everybody cello wrap for lasting freshness 12 to a box for only 49 cents They're the yummiest I remember That's a creepy commercial 49 cents though Little debbies are the ones that like are one of the few things I can never eat because I bit into like one of their little coffee little cake things So much sugar my my back molars were like my lower molars were hurting Like ow, like there's too much sugar to this Well folks, we know there's too much sugar in every episode that we do for you. So video folks Rest your teeth. Yeah folks around. There's more sweetness to come take a knee Take a snack cake