 sure you know you know college offenses are changing so much so a lot of times guys don't even have the opportunity the exposure to do that at the college level obviously the way they use them in Arizona State gave them some opportunities to show he was capable of as a blocker in the run game and we got to do our best I got to do my best to utilize that skill set and help them add value to our team. sure yeah you know I know Ferk worked his tail off this offseason and it certainly shows he looks great he's he's certainly looking really strong and I know that was a conscientious effort he made this offseason to add to his put it on a couple pounds and get stronger and he showed that and he's still showing ability to move really well at the weight he's playing at so I can't say enough about the work he's put in and it's certainly paying off out on the field. sure you know what it kind of goes back to that versatility thing I think our guys in our room you know Tommy's a guy that I think is a very capable pass receiver he's got excellent hands he can body up defenders and he's got a good feel for for spacing and versus zone coverage so certainly we're trying to improve every aspect whether that's some guys in the past game the run game but I think Tommy's a pretty balanced player and I'm excited to what he can decide to see what he can do this preseason yeah awesome thanks guys you know what I love our room I love the guys in our room we got a great a great mix of young guys and veteran guys and they're all eager to learn there's a lot of great communication that happens every single day in all of our meetings and and they come to work every day that's all you can ask for and a coach from your players as a coach is just to get maximum effort every single day and that's something I get from our guys so as long as they keep working and playing the way they are with the effort and finish that we preach I'm never gonna have any complaints from us from me sure you know guys like Jeff Swain and Adam Luke stalker they've been invaluable guys that have done it before you know they've seen every look a defense can throw at them and and they've been very they've taken very instrumental in a leadership role with the younger guys the communication in the room and out on the field is great and I'm really really fortunate to have two guys like that in our room that that have done this and have established great careers in this league and they can pass down some of their knowledge to the younger guys we have in the room yeah yeah obviously we'd love to have him out there but when one guy goes down the next guy steps up so it has been a great opportunity for guys like Tommy Hudson and even FERC to get more opportunities obviously adding stock you know filled that hole a little bit but yeah it's the whole next man-up mentality and it's been it's been great we'd love to have Jeff out there I know he's working hard to get back every day but you know it just opens the door for someone else to get a rep that they might not have gotten where they can improve and evolve as a run blocker with some of the stuff Jeff normally does for sure sure you know he's just a guy that's got to play to his skill set so he's got great quickness and he actually has you know because he gets pigeonholed is this receiving tight end I think his upper body strength gets overlooked and I think those are two things in a skill set that if he can use his quickness just to get into blockers and use that upper body strength I think he can be a very effective blocker whether it is against Sam linebackers or defensive ends and obviously he's got the quickness to cover up safeties and corners sure exactly and I think it starts with with growing the versatility of those players so that it is an obvious tell that when someone's in the game they're thinking pass and someone else is in the game they're thinking run so it's our call to develop them to where that red light kind of kind of goes away when defenses are scouting us but yeah we obviously have to do a good job when we're game-planning to make sure our tendencies aren't too strong one way or the other and I know Todd will do a great job you know covering that stuff up as we go sure sure yeah no doubt no doubt yep you know what I think that's something we'll attack week to week and that's probably a question above my pay grade but but I know this one thing that that rage is always done and Todd's always preached is that playing to the strengths of what we got so if we go into one week and we think 11 personnel is our best group that's probably what we'll roll with the next week that could be 12 or 13 personnel and I know it's my job that no matter how many opportunities we get in the tight end room that I do the best to prepare those guys and take advantage of the shots they do get on the field yeah yeah sure Luke Stocker is the consummate professional he's an awesome vet I feel very fortunate to have him in the room the communications been great he's taken on a leadership role from the second he walks through the door and I think those younger guys are really feeding off that leadership Jeff Swain was doing a great job of that still is obviously with the addition of Stocker now we got two guys two guys that have seen a lot of looks in this league they've seen everything a defense can throw at them and and they've been very vocal in teaching the young guys different techniques different fundamentals here's what you can do versus look here's another technique versus other look and I feel very fortunate to have both those guys in the room sure yeah you know and I've even though I haven't had the front row seat until this year that I've had yeah I've been here the entire time FERC has been here and it's been really exciting to see him develop as a player every year he becomes more versatile every year I think his route craft continues to improve and I'm really excited to see what he can could turn on this year