 we're out here giving out wicked no turkey roast crowns and we've got these little revamp your Christmas QR code brochures. You kill a chicken, are you? I mean, you're not chicken trauma, so why am I going to put dead energy in my body? Yeah, because to see my daughter, my daughter would kill a human before she'd kill an animal. But she eats them, so she does kill them. Yeah, well, but what I'm saying is she doesn't kill them. She pays for them to be killed. Exactly. Yeah. I think turkey'd have more bitten. I don't understand what you're saying, we shouldn't be killing turkey. You know, if that turkey's on the shelf, it's already dead, I didn't kill it. So we're out here getting involved in the spirit of Christmas by giving out no turkey sandwiches and there's nothing more opposed to the spirit of Christmas than what you see on those screens. But sadly at Christmas time, people tend to eat more animal products, you know, have big animal, have corpses as their centerpiece, you know, poor innocent baby animals. These birds are infants. They're slaughtered between 8 and 26 weeks, so it's usually about 16 weeks they're killed, but somewhere between that age, it's just infant animals that have lived in a shed their entire life, pecking each other in darkness a lot of the time, you know, horrible places walking around on their own feces. How is this got anything to do with Christmas time? I don't know. So we're hoping that people can make a change. Maybe this time of the year they feel like giving the animals their lives, you know, maybe encompassing, you know, living the compassionate lifestyle, walking that compassionate Christmas talk. Let's see if they want to do it this year. Hey guys, do you want some food? Yeah. Yeah, okay. You guys are, are you vegans? I just saw a free food. Oh, you love free food? Yeah. Do you know what's vegan food? This is what it is. No turkey roast crown. You get them like a whole like roast, but there's no turkey killed. So how'd you get the turkey? They make it out of plants, so they take the wheat and they take the protein out of the wheat or the protein out of the peas and they turn it into meat. Oh, okay. So you don't have to stab an animal to death to have a turkey roast. Because this is Christmas time. A lot of turkeys are tortured and killed around this time of year. Yeah. Yeah. So I know it went off, but yeah, this is, they forcibly breed them because they can't, they're too big to mate. Yeah. They keep them in horrible farms, factory farms. Most turkeys are factory farmed over here. So we're trying to get people to eat the plants, you know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. This here is like a little, you just scan it with your phone and it gives you like a vegan Christmas pack so you can, you know, think Christmas time we should give animals their lives, let them live. Yeah. Seven years. Yeah. What made you decide to be a vegan? I'm against what happens to animals. Yeah. So I'm against animal cruelty. I don't want, I don't think we should cut animals' heads off to eat their bodies. I mean, I don't want, dairy cows are all impregnated, have their children taken and then they're slaughtered after they can't produce milk anymore, their children are all slaughtered, egg-laying hens are all slaughtered. That's a turkey. I don't think I want that food anymore. Do you eat turkey at Christmas time or anything? Yeah. Yeah. Well, they're birds, they didn't want to die. These are chickens. This is a UK animal agriculture. This is why I'm vegan. They're all individuals with personalities and they, this is all for so people can eat them five minute meal. It's over in a moment. And that's the animals' entire life. They're raised in horrible farms. This is me rescuing a little chick from a factory farm. Turkey hugs. Turkey's a beautiful. I rescued one, but the TV screen has gone off. I rescued one this Christmas called her tinsel. And she's gone to somewhere safe now, but yeah. Yeah, so like there's something called the January. It's every January. But you can start it whenever you want. So you can start it now. But if you scan this QR code and you go through the download pack for January and challenge 22 or there, they help you go vegan. Yeah. So when you're vegan, you're just against animal cruelty, but you live it. You don't just say it. You know, you're actually, because when you pay for animal products, like you're paying the industry to harm the animals. Without you, they don't do it. Yeah. Hey guys. Is this your first vegan turkey? Yeah. Are you talking to your hubby? Bless you. Take care. Merry Christmas. Hey man. How are you? That's fine. How are you? Good. Good. Would you like some food or did you want to know what's going on here? I'll take a bit of both. Okay. Yeah. So we're basically, I don't know if you're a vegetarian or a vegan. Vegetarian, but I'm also like person tolerant. So I'm basically an egg. I see you're an eggitarian. Yeah. An eggitarian. Okay. Yeah. Well, so you don't actually contribute to this industry. This is Turkey's. Oh, this is a Christmas. Yeah. We're trying to, like most turkeys, most of the turkeys that are killed are actually killed around this time of year. Yeah. So we're educating people on the turkey industry. There's a little bit on eggs over here. I'm sure it will come up, but you probably know a bit about the egg industry, do you? Yeah. Are you a vegetarian for ethics? A bit of ethics, a bit of cost, a bit of health. But the whole kind of thing. So you eat eggs for health? Yeah, they're not bad for you. And I'm not going to lie, I like them. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, that's probably. Obviously, like, there's a lot of bad practices in the industry. So yeah, where I'm from, I'm from Cumbria. And up there, obviously, it's a different beast. You can buy eggs from a farm two minutes down the road. And yeah, like. And where do they get their chicks from? They have them. So they have their own chicks? Yeah. Yeah, they'll have chicks and like one or two roosters. And obviously. So they have their own hens and their roosters will inseminate their hens? Yeah, yeah. And then they'll give them eggs that they incubate themselves? And then that's how they have hens that, are you sure? Yeah. Because most, most. It's a lot of, it's a lot of like little family things and that. Okay. It's not, up there, obviously, it's a different beast. Down here, if I'm buying eggs, it's like. Yeah, well, a lot of people are getting their egg-laying hens from hatcheries, local hatcheries, who macerate the males. Because they just can't do anything with the roosters. I mean, the roosters, they create a nuisance, so they're a lot of the time culling them off. So I want to know what happens to the roosters on the, if they're incubating the eggs and they hatch into male and female, what happens to those roosters? To be honest, I don't think they incubate the egg. I think they incubate enough eggs to keep a, to keep the hens that they've got. And then. So you're saying you get macerator-free eggs? I'm not saying, well, macerator, yeah, maybe not cruelty-free. So what happens to the hens when they can't produce eggs for that farmer anymore? They probably do kill them and sell them as meat or eat them. But. Okay, so you're supporting the killing of the hens? That's not the maceration of them. Well, well, well, I'm just trying to find out about, because specific eggs have specific ethical consequences. So I'm trying to find out what the specific, because you could say, well, I have my own backyard egg hens. Yeah, I'm not, I'm not going to say that they don't then kill off the hens, but it's a far. It's common practice, yeah. It's a far less kind of intense on the animal way of doing it. I'm sure there are, there are, there are less cruel ways of doing something that's cruel. I mean, yeah, obviously that's not, oh God. Yeah. What's the matter? That's heavy in the back. Oh, there. Oh, so yeah, that's the dairy industry. Yeah, I just glanced up and it was like, whoa. So you don't drink lactose-free dairy or anything? No, I mean, it's no point. Yeah. It was like. How you going, brother? You okay? Do you want some food, man? Food. Yeah, we're making these no turkey roast crowns in a sandwich for you, brother. It's not really a nice one. Just having a look at these. Yeah, we're just educating. This is the meat dairy egg industries in that, eh? Yeah, I know, man. My father has a big massive farm over in Orange. I'm probably not happy to hear that though. Ah, is your father a dairy farmer or? Oh, beef and dairy. Beef and dairy, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it is slow on the animals, isn't it? But it's just part of our history and our belief. Yeah, I get it. Some traditions are a bit unethical, though, man, eh? Nah, they should try the vegan foods and see what it's like. Yeah, yeah. Squad of houses, they should end. Yeah, I know, yeah. But this here is a, like, if you scan that, you can get a little vegan, like, it shows you where all the vegan stuff is in Tesco's and Sainsbury's. There's a little cool little guide in there for you, bro. Like, you look like you're against animal cruelty, the way you're just looking at these. This is all filmed in the UK. Some in Australia, but mostly the UK. And, um, yeah. Are you sure you don't want to? Most people just don't realize, like, you just, you can't get food from other places, really, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. People that, like, when I first went vegan, I was like, what am I going to eat, you know? I was, like, eating heaps of almonds and, like, I don't know. You used to eat beef knowledge and meat and all, yeah. But for 26 years, man, like, yeah, I was eating, I'd go to the butcher and I'd get them to cut big tea bones with a saw off of a side of a cow, like... And they might have made a change of mind, don't they? Yeah, please, yeah. I felt like a hypocrite, man, because if someone touched a dog or hurt an animal in front of me, I'd probably knock them out. Yeah, when I see the Chinese over in China, they're like, you know, like, you just think that's why I think about the same, like, you know what I mean? Like, I'm next in line to take on the fireman, but I won't do it, like, like, I'm moving over here. I just don't like the work itself. I don't like the horn and the calves and all that sort of stuff. I hate it, like... Yeah. Yeah, and, like, obviously, the male calves, if they're not... It's you. Yeah, that's me with a... I don't know why. That's a rescued calf at a sanctuary. So a lot of vegans, they take animals in and look after them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So they rescue them from slaughter. I rescued a turkey the other night from being... Like, if we stop eating all, like, animals all around the world, would there still be enough food for the whole population, do you reckon? There'd be more. There'd be more because, right now, currently, we're growing enough food to feed probably 10 billion people. 10 billion people. But, you know, we're growing all these crops and a lot of the crops that we could otherwise eat are being fed to the cows and the chickens and the soya. You know, like, a lot of the corn and the oats and the barley. Well, I know, like, I know, like, 86% of the farmland is used for animal agriculture, so we could free up a bunch of farmland. I think about 75% of the farmland you could free up. So, yeah, you... If you think about eating the plants directly, it's a more efficient way than just growing all these crops, growing, chopping down all these trees, giving these cows all this grazing land. It's just, yeah. My favorite, you know, keep it going, man, yeah. No worries, brother. Good talking to you, man, eh? I've got family out in the Philippines and they're very traditional out there. When I was younger, it's like a rite of passage thing that you kill an animal and that family eats it. And I've done that, and that's one of the reasons I turn vegetarian. It's like, I can't do that. Yeah. I can't, like, it f***ing sucked. Yeah, it's against your nature. Yeah, it really is. It's the detachment, I think. Yeah. And obviously that's what you guys try to do here is... Reconnect people to what they're doing, yeah. Yeah. And, like, if you had to witness the egg-laying hens that are going to the slaughterhouse or having their head cut off on the farm that you buy your eggs from. Yeah. Let's just say, we'll give you the eggs, but you have to kill these spent egg-laying hens for us. Would you do it? Would you go and buy the eggs? Probably not. So, yeah, you've got me there. Yeah, it's the same thing, dude. Yeah. But you're the second hand. It's like, okay, I'll pay a hitman to shoot you in the face. We're both responsible. You're paying a hitman to cull these hens off when they don't produce eggs, like... I think I'm worse, because I won't go and do it myself. But now you've disconnected from the backyard eggs. Yeah. And then I would also ask you, do you eat eggs outside of your house when you go to a restaurant? Is the eggs in the ingredients that you overlook because you're already eating eggs? I wouldn't... I probably would, but I don't often. So you don't look for the label and go, oh, no, these don't have backyard eggs in them. I'm not going to eat it. Because a lot of egg-eaters, they eat backyard eggs at home, but when they go out, they're eating eggs everywhere else. Yeah, and obviously those are factory eggs, yeah. Yeah, and again, it's the disconnect thing. The more steps you can put between it, the more you can kind of absolve yourself, isn't it? All right, well... I saved this turkey. This is tinsel. Tinsel, yeah. For Christmas, just recently. Is this your... Do you have it as a pet now, or...? She's had to go away to be safe because... ...humans will try to kill her. She's safe now, though. Fair enough. Right. Yeah, no worries. You've... You're a vegan now. You've given me a lot of time to think about that. Well, if you're a vegan, you're not a hypocrite. You're consistent. As consistent as you can be in a world like this. Fair enough, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, well, yeah. I've got some time to think about it for sure. Cheers, mate. Bless you, my friend. Take care. This is what it is. You find them in Tescos. Yeah, so we don't want animals to be killed, do you know what I mean? Yeah, I do get it. Yeah, yeah. I've got all that vegetables. Oh, like, what about Jennywins? Nah, because, like, there's the dairy industry, like, with cows and that. They slaughter them all and they take their kids away. They kill the boys on the farm. It's a cruel industry, man, aye. So no eggs and no milk for... It is a cruel industry. I don't have anything... I get what you're saying. It is. That meat's still on the shelves. And if everyone would stop eating me, I would stop eating me. But, you know, unfortunately, I get you cars, but something like that's... You've got to be realistic about it. Yeah, I know what you're saying. But, like, see, me, as an individual, I believe that all of our choices have power. Yeah. So, like, if you stop... I get the point. If you stop eating it, then you're contributing. The thing is, a thousand people could stop eating me today and it won't change a single dime. Well, I don't know if that's true, because now they've got a bunch of vegan options on the shelves because there's a demand. So when you shift demand, you're opening up the door for more vegan options, you know? Because now Tesco's have got a whole new range and... So demand does matter. I do get what you mean. So let's just say 10 million a buck. What about... This life would be a lot better if we didn't have to kill animals because animals shouldn't be slaughtered. We don't have to. We don't have to. Now and again, when they're old... You know, now... You mean euthanism, if they're suffering, maybe, but... When they're 12 years old, 14, 15, and they're on the way out, or whatever their age is. Cal's 25. You know, you can treat yourself and have a meal, but that mass killing, yeah, I don't agree with that, but unfortunately, that's the way the world is. I've not made it like that. That's just the way it is. Yeah, but it doesn't have to be that way, brother. You know what I mean? Yeah, it doesn't have to be that way, but it always will be, mate. For you, I get your cars, but for you to say, then, it can change if we all change. It can change. You know, human slavery used to be a thing. It used to... And you know how long it took them... Mate, I love veganism to death. I love the idea of it, but the truth is, it will never change. There will always be meat on the shelves. And you know what? But you could change. You could change, right? You mean, you might say that the world will never change, but you could. You've got the power to change right now. I'm just thinking about my vitamins, mate. I don't go to the shop. Do I not? Give me beef, because I love eating beef. I'll get enough vitamins, dude. I'm just thinking about my meat. I eat a lot of turkey. What vitamins are you worried about? Well, I eat a lot of turkey, because I've got a lot of... What are you worried about? Tell me what you're worried about. I'll see if we can get a plant form of it. Yeah, well, I eat a lot of turkey. I love turkey. What do you think's in Turkey? What do you think's in Turkey? That you can't get from plants. It's got a lot of... Amino acids. Amino acids, that's the one. Oh, well, amino acids are found in plants, so all non-essential amino acids come from plants first. Well, I eat a lot of toffee. I do eat toffee. No, we don't. Yeah. So, I'll buy... Well, this is turkey-less turkey. I do eat lamb, yeah. No, I'm sure it's good, but... I know what you're saying. I know what you're saying. Look, if you compare that to real turkey... Can I tell you... No doubt, I think turkey doesn't have more vitamins. I don't understand what you're saying. We shouldn't be killing turkey. You know, if that turkey's on the shelf, it's already dead. I didn't kill it. But when you pay for it, you're paying that supply chain. You're putting money into the supply chain. Do you know what I'm saying? What you're missing. I understand what you're saying. I do understand, but I'm not trying to be funny. I do understand. It's not called demanding supply. It's called supply and demand for a reason. Let's just say we educated enough people. They thought they didn't need meat to survive, okay, because you don't. I've been vegan seven years. And then those million people take all of their money out of the animal-abusing industries and put it all in plant-based industries. What are they going to supply more of? Yeah, but this is a pipe dream, man. I'm talking about... It's already happening, brother. It's already happening. It's already happening. Do you know what vegans there are over here? Heaps. It's amazing. There's amazing food brands. We have to talk about reality. Yeah. I understand. One day I hope it comes. I really do, but right now it's just not true. The truth is, there's a lot of meat on the shelves that if you don't weigh it, it's going to go to waste. But if it goes to waste, right? And then the next year, they won't breed as many animals, and that's how the supply chain like mitigates and starts to fade off. That's me, one person, because I'm sensitive to the issue, but there's a lot... There's 7 billion other people, if they had that attitude, they would never change anything. They're not sensitive to the attitude. Let's just say there's 30% of people who are. 30% is a lot of the population. Mate, you're dreaming. 30%. Try 2%. I could ask nearly every person here... 80%. If I ask you if you're against animal cruelty... 20%. Whatever you put on, it's fine. Do you know how many people say I'm against animal cruelty? Nearly every single person I meet. Yeah, but they're not really, because they still eat it. No, but in principle, like, in there... In principle, they are. But what it is, when they eat that meat, they've not killed it. So most people are against animal cruelty. It's just about reaching out to them and getting them to act in alignment with that. The animals are victim. For the person that eats the meat, most of the people that eat the meat are the victims as well. The perpetrators is the industry that creates the situation. Well, they're not the victims the same way the pig is the victim. No, that's not sensible. What I'm saying is that thank you very much. Do you want to take some cakes as well, Are you sure? We've got heaps of them there. Yeah, go on then. Here, brother. What I'm saying is, you know, in a chaotic situation, there's always victims. And I'm not saying that because we eat the meat, we're victims. What I'm saying is, I know I shouldn't be... The slot with animals is wrong. I do understand that, because I'm intellectual. But there's a lot of people that are not, and they say, oh, whatever, I see. Yeah, I get it. They don't give a shit. Which is why I only want to focus on you. So you've got the power in your hands. You know what I mean? Maybe. Really nice to meet you too, man. Joey, man. Take care, brother. How you going, brother? Do you want to try some of the turkey? The no turkey turkey? I think you're vegan too, then. Yeah, are you a vegan? I'm not vegan. I'm not vegetarian either. But I do try and limit the amount of meat that I eat. I do, yeah. So, it's something of the last dessert. Why do you try to limit it? More so for the environment than the animals. Sounds kind of sad to say, but it's more so for the environment than the animals. Oh, really? Like, I'm not against, I'm not against, like, obviously I love animals and like, protecting the ecosystem and everything. But, like, I feel like the environment is a more pressing issue. Oh, really? They both are pressing issues. What's a more pressing issue for this bird here? Yeah, exactly. I've got nothing to say to that. Like, it's not acceptable. Okay. You know, a great analogy that I use, I mean, it's kind of a controversial analogy, but like, imagine if we abolished slavery because the slave ships were bad for the environment. What do you think of that? That's my worst. I wouldn't say that's what you get it all for. Yeah. Where did you get it from? This is from Tesco. This is a wicked kitchen. That's proper virginal. Yeah. So, my partner's vegetarian. Is she? So, I try and, uh, I eat a lot of vegetarian food because of that. Okay. And I enjoy it sometimes. Like, I think it's definitely... Well, yeah, we don't advocate for vegetarianism because of the egg and dairy industries are horrific. Like, a vegan is more of an all-encompassing philosophy against the cruelty, exploitation, and abuse of animals. You know what I mean? Vegetarianism's a diet where you don't eat meat, basically. It's a little bit different. Yeah, yeah. So, we feel like to be consistent, like, if you're against the meat industry because it's cruel, if you're against... Then you also, you're against the egg and dairy industries and the fur industry. It's the same to things like leather. Sorry, bro. The material that comes from animals. Yeah, yeah, like, just... Leather's the skin that was torn off of a dead cow that was slaughtered in a slaughterhouse. So, like, yeah, of course... This is well-washed. Yeah, I'm glad you like it. Yeah. I need to take a picture. I need to get some. It's my Christmas dinner. Yeah, you can take this, too. This is a little pamphlet that you can take, too, there. I can take this. Yeah, you can take it and you can scan that and you can download a pack. Definitely try it. I'm definitely trying to, like, get more plant-based approach to my diet. It's, yeah. Like, it's definitely something that I'm trying to do. In this download pack, there's something called Challenge 22 or Veganuary. They're both, like, vegan sort of helper guides and they give you, like, a little bit of guidance on new vegans. Veganuary's coming up, as well, in the new year, so that might be something to look at. That's a good one. But we're trying to help the turkeys now. Like, we... Christmas time, a lot of turkeys are slaughtered. Millions and millions of turkeys, so... So, you're obviously very passionate about animal welfare. Animal rights. Animal rights. Yeah. Would you think that comes from on a personal level? It's just something that... I mean, I wouldn't want... A lot of experience with animals or... No, no, no, like, just... Like... Oh, actually, I'm an ex-gang member, so, like, I used to be... I used to lack a bit of compassion. I used to be in violent gangs and things like that, but, like, I got sober from drugs and all of this about seven years ago. Yeah, and then I... I just felt like a hypocrite because I was against cruelty to dogs and dolphins and whales, and then I had a steak on my plate, and I just felt like... I don't know. I just thought, like, they don't deserve to be treated like nothing, you know? Like, yeah. And obviously, animals can't... They can't... They don't speak our language. They can't sort of voice... They can't form a coalition and protect themselves. They need, like... It's like children. They can't protect themselves from adults. These animals can't protect themselves from human beings. They're defenseless. Yeah, I can't just agree with you. Like, everything seems absolutely great. Yeah. So, like, a turkey. Like, if you see... Turkeys are really helpless animals. They've got wings. They can't fly away from you. Yes. Um... So, human beings can basically do what they want to them and they can't fight back. So, this is why I speak up for them, you know what I mean? I try to be a voice for them and... Yeah. Yeah, I think you're doing a great thing. Like, we ask people to be accountable for the animals that go to the slaughterhouse on their behalf. That's what would make... That's what made me change because when people disconnect and say this isn't my fault, this is the industry's fault, they're like, sort of cutting themselves out from the process without you, without creating the demand for these places... There's no market. Then there's no... Yeah. There's no market for it. Then there's no profit. Then there's no business. Yeah, so... I know you've said that. Yeah. Yeah, I definitely agree with you. Do you ever find that you have to substitute things in your diet? Like, iron deficiency or anything? Or is that just a myth? Or, you know... Yeah, so, like, if you're focusing on just processed food, then you're going to have run into issues later on. But anyone, anyone just does that. So, you should be eating lots of fruits and vegetables and whole grains. And you're going to be pretty good if you have a balanced diet. So, nuts and seeds, flaxseed for omegas. Lentils. Yeah, lentils are amazing. More fiber, more nutrients. You're going to... If you're eating more plants, you're going to get more nutrients. See, from a health perspective as well, why people would do it. It's definitely a little bright part, too. Yeah, and there's no cholesterol in a plant-based diet. That was pretty good, I've got to say. I'm definitely going to fix up a lot of effort. Yeah. That's lovely. Yeah, it's good, man. I think you do the great things. Bless you, mate. I appreciate it. Hey, take care. Holy s***, dude. That's hell dangerous, man. No worries. And let's just say there was no chickens and pigs and fish to feed your cat. You wouldn't go out and shoot cats to feed your cat, because you like cats, you know what I mean? So, why do we kill other animals to feed our house animals?