 All right, that sounds perfect. We will call the meeting to order at 11.05. And we will we don't have to call for attendance because our clerk is going to do that based on who has signed in to the meeting. But I do want everyone to take a minute if they haven't already done it to review the meeting minutes from August the 9 2022. And that would have been our full task force meeting. What point. Do you want to. You can start right now. Okay, I just, I don't believe that my name is on the list is being an attendance I wasn't at attendance in that meeting I did miss the committee meeting that I landed but on, but so if you could reflect that in the record I would appreciate it. Okay, anyone else have any revisions. Corrections additions. Is there a motion to approve the minutes with the addition of Kevin being added Kevin, what's your last line. So someone. Yes. Second, did I hear the second. Second. Approval of the minutes, including the one edition, please let it, you know, by saying a any days. All right, as y'all can tell I'm super consensus minded and not too much of a stickler. I'm going to get to our committee reports and I'm going to tell you I'm really excited about the committee reports, because I did not attend any of them. And so I really, this is what I'm hoping it work but I kind of felt like maybe if you all had committee meetings without me in there. So we're more discussion and I, and if you, you know, if you want to talk about me you could and you'd have somewhere freedom. So we're going to start with the advocacy committee report with Mr. Dylan Gunnels. And I think I saw Dylan. Yes, Dylan. Oh, there we go. Can you hear me. Yes. Okay. Thank you. Hi camera. Good morning. Yes, we may before the hurricane in here in Colombia, and it was a great session. We started off with five and we've now paired them down to three. We still trying to accomplish with that pairing them down would make them more realistic and attainable, and also because two of the first goals were related to education and so we just kind of nailed it down into number one goal developing education campaign. And so within develop education campaign we will focus on landlords tenants and elected officials. So it was still relevant to everything that we kind of had in the other two goals but this just pairs it down and gives us a little bit more specifics. And then also within that education campaign we will of course continue to partner with the city of Columbia on the Fair Housing Campaign, and you'll have to excuse me my allergies with this weather changer kill me. So if I lose my voice in the middle. I'll turn it over to Miss Bean. But we're doing that with this. The Housing Justice Directory. And so we originally were calling this a housing directory and there was a lot of confusion about what that meant. And we clarified in our committee meeting that that wasn't relevant to the resources that are available to the general public. It was relevant to the resources and the shared resources that we have here as a network and so we changed the title to Housing Justice Directory, because all of us in this room in some way are doing something relevant to housing justice and so this is a directory for us to share our resources and know what events workshops and resources opportunities offering amidst the grip as a whole. And we're also going to be doing some research around, you know, super cool it's mentioned like a shared calendar and we know that we've kind of tried that before but it's not always the most ideal. Research also are there other platforms out there are there things that we could put together that would be an easier way of sharing all of these this information other than just a shared calendar, and then our third goal of course systems in court. And so within goal number one super quits and even to being kind of took the lead on on goal number one and our storytelling aspect of the education campaign. And so they're trying to get together and pull resources and collaborate with folks to create a video that really tells the story. So they're, they're kind of taking a lead and working on that but we definitely want to partner with the city of Columbia's communications department, or even with the housing authority has a wonderful communications department as well. Somebody to help us put together some of that the video and the marketing and the idea again is just to really tell story with that. We also talked about from the education perspective that we want to follow up with Brenda and Jennifer, and I see Jennifer here so I'll chat with you committee within all of this, and you guys had started putting together a list of contacts and resources. So we wanted to see if we could get with y'all to pull that list and see if it would be helpful with anything we're trying to do there. Apple seed with super quits is already putting together a housing court, and they're partnering with the folks down in Charleston to make that happen. And they've also just hired a housing justice organizer. And so between those two things they're able to really take charge and take the lead on that but our committee is going to help. I just want to say that I just want to introduce Dylan and Emily back Blackshire who is actually justice attorney who is going to be doing this work with us so she just started last week. Welcome. Sorry Tina I didn't mean to cut you. No that's what I was going to say and we have that person here so no perfect. Well good I'm happy to meet you to Emily. So they're going to be working on that and again I'm just given the general overview and then if anybody else on the committee wants to add please jump in. I'm almost finished. But that's related to the housing court. So myself and Jeff Armstrong are taking the lead on the housing justice directory. And so we're going to we've been doing some preliminary research on trying to find different platforms, and we're going to come together and figure out exactly again how we can share those resources amongst each other. And then the last thing just to put on everybody's radar but also for us from an education perspective. So what we're going to talk through the 20th is home hunger and homelessness Awareness Week. And so we're being realistic and know that we might not have a video done in time for that. But there's a lot of events and social media blasts and different things around that time period. So we'd really love to have something put together by then so that we can take advantage of that week to to share our message. So we're going to talk about affordable housing in the Midlands and the city of Columbia, but also what this task force is doing as well. The name of the week is number 12 through the 20th. And that is hunger and homelessness Awareness Week. So that's all I got on my notes. Ladies, did you have anything to add. Just one thing. After saying first that you did a fantastic job dealing of summarizing our meeting. The only thing that wasn't mentioned is that we are planning on reaching out to you. And in reference to potential resources to assist with the affordable housing presentation that we'd like to see come together. And that was actually going to be my follow up question, identifying specifically what you may need staff support for or resources. I will tell you that I did talk to our internal folks, as well as a advertising marketing agency just to kind of get some ideas of the various ways that we could approach this digital media seems to be really cool. And so we will have to make some decision points about, you know, I would assume we want professional professional videos, got to have professional videos, and we want, you know, professional materials. It's kind of like the way I go so I have that on my list to discuss with the city manager, but I went ahead and talk to the two different people because I was really trying to get a dollar. I think we would need but what they really did say was that with how digital is working is so much is less expensive than I was thinking, and everything doesn't have to be on TV because you know I was thinking TV ads and so forth. And then I was reminded I'm just kind of old school so. I have here. I'm sorry. That's great to hear that you've already started having those conversations so good. I had to, because you might have missed it but warped mongo called me yesterday to see where we were with this awareness campaign. So I had to make a few calls to make sure I had something, you know, something valuable to say today. So I did make those calls to kind of get an idea. But I mean we can do we could probably spend a few thousand dollars to, you know, to $20 and $30,000. He is probably the thing that eats up most of your money. And I don't know if we really need to do TV, especially when I'm looking at it's we're looking at landlords tenants and elected officials, as opposed to necessarily general population. Well, think about think about where all the negativity occurs as well with development. It's not on TV. It's on social media. So if you can hit all those channels, I think you're much you're going to cast a much broader now I don't watch TV. Just honestly speaking, I'll go search the headlines for what matters to me but I'm not going to get called up and you know watching that for 30 minutes. I think that that's kind of where people are going to. Yeah, and that's why that's why it's always good to ask, you know, different people in those industries to kind of get you know where people are and by far, although it used to be. Alison Teresia says on Facebook. And although you know some of the younger folks don't do Facebook as much Facebook is still the dominant platform. Yeah, I read something recently that said Facebook is the number one go to for information, but they say tiktok is is climbing. I think, well I think if you hit Facebook, Facebook, you know it's all part of the whole meta, the meta platform now so you know people's books and Instagrams, cross paths. If you hit that and you know maybe a tiktok just to get because I think you know as well as a professional networking site that's very popular. Yes. But I think, sorry, but I think though that it would be good though to just and I don't think we spend a lot of time here but plant the seeds into the younger generations maybe watch the tiktoks. You know, their parents may be sitting around the dinner table, yelling and complaining about this new development, or you know affordable housing development or I don't want these people coming around but then they see something tiktok, it's different. They go and ask their parents the hard question. Yeah, I agree and I think too we're trying to change mindsets and mentality. And that that's kind of a little bit of everywhere but I think the best part about it is, it's just not really expensive. Right. And so, we don't seem. While what I will see did with snap. Go look on Instagram, the campaign that has been done with for snap and how it was done. It's pretty incredible, and how the narrative has been woven so that it's not just about those who use snap, it's about the grocer and the farmers and, you know, and I know, you know, so you can probably speak to how that came about because I know it you know it's it's it was regional, but just the way it's actually national, it's going. It was by a national partner and the budget that they had would be something the city would be willing to, or be a position to especially by November 12 so yeah. But even just the way the story was told, I guess is more, more my point that it wasn't. Yeah. What I'm trying to say though is there were folks that were paid a bit of money to put all that and do all that work and get that story told so I want to manage expectations. So you saw show up in and speak, you know, yeah, I just want to make sure you understand all that our partner group did to make that these people came in. And I just think it's my point is the way the way the story, the way the story was told. Yeah, yeah, but it takes a lot of I just, I don't want people to think that we're in the position to make that happen for everybody. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I don't think we were saying it we thought Apple see it was going to do that for us but the example was pretty. Yeah, no, no, no, I just want to manage expectations about what the resources that were brought to make that all hats. Like you said, it'd be a couple. You know, $45,000. And I, if the city can has those resources that would be great. I just want to make sure we manage expectations of what it took to put all that together resource wise. The other thing I was just going to throw out there and run was. And I know I'm looking for the name of Kevin still on here. The, the press release that went out about the Bull Street development and the use of attainable versus affordable and the, the, the just the change in the story overnight. And I know we don't want to get bogged down in that conversation today, but it is something to throw out there slowly and to talk about attainable housing versus affordable housing. So anyway, like I said, I'm throwing that one and running back to my side of the aisle for the other committee, but anyway, if I can make two quick points, one, that wasn't my deal. That was the mayor's idea. I can't take credit for it. And number two, the, when they came across and people ask questions about attainable, I think we need to work on a definition, a better definition for that. I got a lot of questions. And because we did have a wider income than just maxing out at 60% am I I was able to use that kind of as my explanation is it serves a little bit wider band of people than just up to 60% of a my so that's my two cents on that. Thank you. And I think we'll close this out. Two things. We need to make sure that we do a proclamation. That's why we have Erica on this call for the hunger and homelessness week. And so we can get Erica will if you'll let us know the appropriate agenda. Whichever time is good and we can make sure everyone knows and whoever wants to come back. That is the, when you talk about the very least you can do that is the very least we can do. Get a proclamation together and we will fix actually very possible. And I think that we will probably have several different ones. Okay, so we will, I will get with communications on that one to kind of see what we do. Who's that was, that was miss being and who else for the video. And soon. Okay. All right, so thank you all so much server if I can answer as quickly. That's okay. There is a local homeless coalition and they are, there's, I think Jeff Armstrong is actually sharing that committee as well. He's on the call today but they're planning a prayer breakfast on the 18th I dropped information that Chad and I emailed the flyer over to Erica if you're interested in sharing that with the group. Historically they have always done a proclamation so we're happy to send that language over. If you'd like to have. So then it. Anyway, to the city, Jeff is sharing that committee, and I haven't attended that meeting that's just not a committee I'm along that we can certainly make sure that they get that to the city. I'm trying to see if I see Jeff. I don't think I don't think so but yeah we all court will have a staff person coordinate with them. He's not on the meeting. Yes. Thanks everybody. Yes, he's at that conference. All right well that was great. Thank you all for that report. I'm excited. And then the next report is from the development committee we don't have chairs because no one volunteered to be a chair, but Lila and Dylan, they volunteered to at least get a meeting set so I'm going to turn it over to Miss Lila and I'm just going to let Ward be my, my co chair, because we're going to keep you honest. Wait, wait, wait, let me stop. So we do we have to call chairs for the committee because I will write that down right now. It's not going to be my co chair. I'm told. There we go. We kind of started the same way. We kind of went over the, the priorities that have been discussed previously and do the same thing we fine tuned and narrowed the one thing that we all agreed on the idea of the market analysis. I think we need, we need to talk about and do these be based on data. The good news is, and check me Ward, the SC home builders association on behalf of SC State housing with the help of Darlemore School of Business, hopefully three weeks will have the analysis that historically everybody has used. So it won't look like we have to go out and pull data. It will be something that beneficial and unbiased and can be used by all of us. This is the data that comes out every two years. We all talk about Brian Grady. This is what he used to do. So I think Ward you're thinking in the next three weeks. That's what I'm hearing you know I've got limited control over the timing. Which I certainly will. That coupled with, you know, data that the housing authority here in town with their waiting list, etc. You'll, you'll have everything from 30% to 120%. So, you know, this is what you use moving forward when you talk about that the entire picture, the need for affordable attainable housing for the city. So that was the first kind of piece of business, knowing that we don't need to come back to the greater group and say we need to do this ourselves. The second thing we kind of wanted to dig deeper into where the capital opportunities. So we talked about some deadlines that were approaching. The fact that with tax credits or with a lot of the funding that's going to come down through state housing. The transparency and the regs are going to disqualify a lot of the smaller agency, what we are considering to be the church driven CDCs from applying. So that kind of calls the group to say a deeper dive would be looking for and know that we talked about the church drip. A look of capacity building, then teaching them how to build houses, because step one is this is what a nonprofit. This is what you're to hold. This is what finding partner looks like. So, you know, as churches start land banking, do they need to be the ones actually building the houses. Like baby steps versus we're going to run marathons. We also talked about, sorry. Yeah, so just for my clarity, you all felt like the, the capacity, the building is where the, where the most need is. Correct. So a lot of them may have three board members, and they may be all that the church, all the church and all family members. So how do you help them understand that you need a functioning board of direct. So again, it's baby steps before you can run the marathon. Helping them understand what it looks like to do an application to build housing. It's not as simple as we have, we have a half acre lot and we're going to just go out and hire a subcontractor that we may know. So capacity building first followed by how you would actually develop the affordable housing. I just talked about the post changes to the rehab and renovation program that a lot of the smaller CDCs use that comes through SC State housing. SKSAD, Bernie Maseed's group has created a pretty strong two pager with the high level details of that that we're kind of starting to advocate on the state level about these changes. Adding layers of inspections. Again, the smaller CDCs may not have the capacity to take advantage of that program moving forward. So it was getting that information out. And then, you know, we kind of circle back to this idea of capital for developers on a larger. Well, capital as far as money is not there. What kind of incentives could be so be finding other programs and other cities that have worked. I actually used what I said, wave fees and it was like, no, we can't do that. And I said, okay, so we're not going to say wave fees, but what are other cities doing that make it attractive to affordable housing developers to build units period, because it costs a lot of money right now to build affordable housing units. So doing a deeper dive into those programs and case studies best practices that we're seeing across the country. I have a question on that one. I'm just on the terminology. Are we thank you miss theme I see you have to go. Are we looking to, are we targeting with these when we're looking at benchmarking other cities. Are we specifically specifically targeting affordable housing developers, are we targeting developers period and we want to make sure we get more affordable housing, because I think that's a distinction. So, I guess in my mind, and Ward you might be able to answer this question better than me, you can be a housing developer incentivize to include affordable units. Sure. So the challenge is that, you know, what, what level of affordability are we going to tackle, you know, sure with the right incentive and affordable developer may be able to hit work for or excuse me, a market rate developer may be able to hit the workforce levels but tapping into the affordable you know the markets that allow developers to bring to get into the city gets tax drugs, the 60% and the 30%. That's how a skill set that a typical market rate developer is going to carry you know they're going to need to partner with an affordable developer to make that a reality so I think it's important to define what it is that you know we want. Know that ahead of time so we can again attract the right people. Because I kind of see it as two different opportunities, definitely making sure that that the affordable housing builders can stay and do what they're doing. But I also think it's important to, and in with however we can encourage market rate developers to have, you know, some of those, some workforce affordable housing built in. And it just helps community wise if we need it all. Yeah. Yeah, it's not, you know, if you just, if you attack one not the other you're going to create another problem elsewhere. That's what I want to make sure so we do want to do both, not just one. That's where your market analysis is going to come in. Yeah, because what what you're what my assumption is is it's going to show you need both. So as, as the city develops a plan, the plan has to include strategy for incentivizing developing paying for, etc, etc. I use 30% of the slowest. My guess is you'll have lower than that to 120% or or whatever. And then, you know, your long term challenge will be going back to the other side, the other committee. So how do you also develop a plan that doesn't create the pockets of poverty or, you know, not in my backyard because you're only doing 30% here. And that's where you would bring in the inclusionary zoning and you can say well we're going to put 30% next to 120 and you know. So you create a long term vision of it's not all or nothing in one place or one neighborhood. I got you. I think we'll be also send this kind of brings it full circle into a close. You know we talked about doing deeper dives moving forward into the best use of condemn properties. If there were some zoning issues that bubbled to the top, but kind of using this this meeting bringing in city staff to do deeper dives in more than an educating the group since as we kind of did one subject matter at a time. And that was, that's what I have as far as my notes, did I miss anything but the next big step is finding those best practices. And that's just the term I use best programs that we could bring back here that we could use and waiting for this market analysis. So we really do know what, you know, towards point, what are we looking at are we going after the 30% 60% etc. And so I agree I think the study will certainly help give guidance. And I like data because you know whenever no one can, let me you can debate data but it's data just gives us a lot of foundation. So from us from a unique from me or the city standpoint. The only thing I see may be in working on getting the condemned properties list. And I've just wrote a note to myself maybe by January I'll talk to staff internally to see where we are with that. But it may be something early next year, based on how our meeting schedule is going to be to. Any other things that you can think about it that you would need from me and or staff support or otherwise. Obviously, if they know of other programs I think we had some some staff on that call that day. You know, we can go out and find best practices and things that we would love to bring back to Columbia, but if there are other programs that city staff has heard about. That would be incredibly helpful for them to kind of bring to the table. I do know and I missy maybe I don't know missy or Chris to have the information. I don't know it specifically but the catalva project was mentioned to me as one where we did some this market rate, but we asked the developer to include some workforce housing. So, and I don't, I don't know the specifics that that's that's the one sentence I know on that. And miss server. This is missy. Yeah, that was one of the incentive projects that we sent tax abatement and one of the conditions was that they included. Affordable housing component in a certain number of units and I would have to pull that they have recently reached out to us to make sure that as they. Work on that project that they understand what that means and they're, you know, they're very committed to it. It seems like they've done that and other communities as well. So that wasn't foreign to them. Most of the other incentive projects in around a market that targets students. The other device that with us. So they might be a good group for us to talk to and understand how they've made it work. Okay, sounds good. Yeah, and I need just make a note missy that Tina needs to learn more about that. Okay, I can do that. Okay, so I think if anything that would be a good thing for us to bring because it is something that the city has done. Or they do it looks like we're doing it. So we want to make sure it works out right. All right, so anything else from the committee reports and I just want to make sure y'all have told me what you need from me and what you need me to do or help with. And by me I mean the entire city staff that's on the call. Great. I appreciate it. One of the things I wanted to do. So we have the Columbia campus housing recommendations that are part of our planning process and I wanted to make sure that this committee is totally in line with the plans that are already there like we are not just doing our own dance. And so I asked Krista and her team. And so miss Lee browser. Lee will give us an update on how the, how the recommendations that we've had really fall into the plan that the city has had. Now Lee, I realized some of them have kind of changed today so I don't know if that impacts your presentation or not. That's fine. I mean, no, since we're going. All right, and I'm going to turn it over to you. Okay, and I'm going to go ahead and share my screen. So I know I've talked to you all a little bit before about Columbia campus which is the city's comprehensive plan. When we're, you know, we're really excited for the committee's work in general, I think the work of the committee aligns with the guiding principles of the plan, especially those in the housing chapter so that's that one page or that, or I guess two pager that that y'all got a little bit to say to talk about this as a whole kind of has these this vision for Columbia. That's based in what we heard from from the public and from council and from departments as well so but so that the housing chapter of the plan does have specific recommendations but there are also some other recommendations in the plan that, you know, overlap with because of how the state deals with comprehensive planning we have very specific elements of the comprehensive plan but we know that land use and economic development and transportation all interrelate with with housing as well so that being said I pulled together and as councilman Herbert said and of course this little drop down that soon I don't know if y'all have this issue but sometimes there's a little drop down when you're sharing your screen and you can't click on thing you want to click on. But I did look at what what y'all had kind of developed at the last larger meeting. So I'm going to be the subcommittee goals and just tried to develop a brief spreadsheet that I'm sure salmon will send out afterwards that looks at those those housing goals and then some of the other goals in Columbia compass and how they align with some of the recommendations and I think that, you know, given kind of the streamlining that each of your committees have done it's still kind of I think you can kind of group those of you as you have with the committees as well. So, for example, with the development committee so I've got two pages here. So you can see how the committee in Turkey in turquoise. You can see how the goals that the committee had especially aligns with those recommendations surrounding the creation of portable units so looking at city standards looking at incentives I know. Well, as you just I mean we're just talking about incentives here. And so, and looking at incentivizing those multi unit housing opportunities as well. And then we also have some recommendations the reason these are different colors is because this is the economic development chapter color everything is branded in our comp plan and the red is the community facilities chapter but we recognize that we want it to be affordable or attainable but it's also, you know, it's also about building that density in general and that will provide this opportunity so how that overlaps with some of those other recommendations that are outside of the plan for housing specifically. And then I should point out to that we do have some case studies with each of these recommendations. I've included that in this document as well helpful with some of the, some of the, you know, looking at what other communities are doing to so. So Lee, hold on. I'm, you know, I'm, I'm challenged sometimes know. So, you said in the last two columns those were those different recommendations or recommendations. Other Columbia compass recommendations. Yeah, there. So there are other Columbia compass recommendations that are under different chapters. So we have, there were about 10 plan recommendations that we felt specifically aligned with the work of the committee, eight of those from the housing chapter, one from economic development and one from the community facilities chapter. And then there are also other plan recommendations in the housing chapter that aren't necessarily relevant to the work of the committee which is fine because housing is about that broader housing component, not just about affordable housing as well so I highlighted the ones that I thought were most relevant to the work that you all are doing. But thank you because that's, I didn't clarify that very well. And, and so, kind of what we noticed with the, you know, where those natural breaks are is with the development committee versus the advocacy committee there's certainly some overlap have y'all, as y'all have discussed but the advocacy committee goals, tend to align more closely with the plan recommendations that are tied to kind of that internet organizational collaboration, the outreach education, and the building of social capital so exactly aligning with those items so we're spending no less time on the revising city standards with the advocacy committee but more time, developing those collaborative teams and working together on neighborhood assistance. And then we felt that partnering with partnering with their housing campaign would also help build those, those life skills for the tenants and that sort of thing as well so the one thing I will say is that there is not a recommendation in the comprehensive plan tied to the establishment of the housing court, but I don't think that the spirit of that work is against anything in the comprehensive plan. It's just that that's a very specific need that didn't necessarily come up in the stakeholder discussions as we were having them in 2018. In 2019, and certainly eviction data release since then is, you know, very supportive of the need to deal with that crisis as well. And we know that COVID's only exacerbated that. And so in general, what will be provided here is just kind of that quick cheat sheet and then each of these relate to a recommendation which we've included in more detail in the document. It might be that that first recommendation that fell the develop collaborative teams it talks about a little bit about it, who might be responsible so this kind of the stakeholders we pull together what we have that timeframe would be what type of data we would need and and how we expect to move that forward and then measure it so you know and then there's a case study for this next one on neighborhood assistance said just that giving you that background information and certainly as you only forward if you have any questions about the specific recommendations or if you're aware, I will. If you are aware of things that are moving forward that meet with those recommendations that you'd like to see reported on. We do an annual report on Columbia Compass and the implementation and we recognize that that implementation is community wide so if there's something that I can help highlight or include please reach out to me or to staff in general and let us know and to talk to you more about that as well. Well, thank you Lee I just so you all know I was going to kind of do this presentation myself. It just wouldn't look like this and so I'm glad that I deferred to Lee because it does have a level of expertise that I have to admit that I would not have been able to bring to the presentation. I will tell you all my overarching reason for doing it is making sure that this committee that we understand that the committee is not some long with just doing stuff but we are helping the city achieve recommendations and goals that are part of the plan. And realistically, a lot of folks think that that city staff is supposed to implement like every plan that we have that we expect city staff to implement it and it's just not possible. So task force task force, such as this help us implement a lot of these recommendations so I'm super excited about that. And to me that's just like our validation. Maybe every six months Lee I just want to make sure that we're continuously validated and what we're doing and serving a purpose to help the city reach its goals with affordable housing. All right, thank you so much with our time wise we are perfect I'm going to turn it over to Ms Eric, more to discuss the committee meetings schedule. Again, I'm in very sense equals times, give our lives to affordable housing task force. So Erica, can you discuss the, I can't remember what we discussed about the committee meeting schedule so. And so in terms of the committees, we felt it would be easiest for the committees to meet on the Tuesday that the course would not be meeting so for instance next month. But instead of the full task force meeting we're asking if the two committees would be available and amenable to meeting on November 8, and then every other month, like January 10 and March 14. We can work out the times of course one of you can one group can meet at 11. The other group will need to work on the best time that works for the, for the rest of your schedules and not now remembering that I don't have to be a part of it Councilman Herbert can choose to be a part of it, but based on our schedules that we're dealing with another time. And so again one committee can meet on November 8 at 11. Another committee can meet at nine, one, you could meet at the same time as if it's two different groups of people you could meet at the same time but I do know that Miss Bean serves on both of these. That you meet in the same spot that will meet the second Tuesday of every month. And the background purposes to what we realized is it was a little bit of work for you all trying to schedule your committee meets, and if we were going to do them every other month why not use this time slot right here. That's kind of where we were going, at least for one committee meeting just use this time slot so that you don't have to keep coming up with a time slot so I'm hoping that that that is amenable to both of the committees. I just know that you can use that. And then I think as far as the schedule for the year. I think our intent was not to meet in December. That's correct at all. I mean the committee's committee they want to. Any opposition to us not meeting in the end December. And then starting off fresh with a full committee meeting in January. It will be in February. But we can talk about that but essentially committees if they don't meet in December the committees would meet again in January. And then force wouldn't meet again until February so maybe we need to think that through. Okay. This time. I believe it's already on the calendar. Do we have is this time already standing. Say that again. I can. Is this time already standing I haven't to see if I've got this on future occurrences. Not be on your calendar yet but it it has been standing for quite a while we just got it alternating the task force meetings. And so kind of doubling back on what I just said I think January we could start fresh Councilman Herbert if you wanted to start January with a task force meeting and then February the committees would meet. And then we could alternate in 2023 in that form. I like it. You know I want us to get things done but I'm also cognizant of everyone's time. And then I realized it's hard to get a lot of stuff done in four weeks in between committee meetings so sometimes two months is a lot more reasonable. So if there are no objections that's what we'll do. The question becomes which of these two committees is going to and I'll let y'all decide take this exact time slot. And the other committee maybe take, you know, our head or our below base. So like on my calendar I have it blocked off, I think from 10 to 1230, because I need prep time and you know that kind of stuff so we're doing it so that y'all won't have to guess, and try and figure out and send out what did you send out the month, not the schedule, the doodle poll. Yeah, I like doodle poll but sometimes it's a little difficult so. That is all I have for today and we're right on time because y'all know I am a one hour kind of gal. Any questions concerns ideas anything I didn't discuss today anything I need to be discussing or thinking about that you all can think of. Dylan, if he's willing to continue to service chair. Thank you, Dylan go ahead and recruit yourself a co chair, like Lila Anna did. I'm on it. Yeah, it in a cold. All right, if all hearts and minds are clear. I do we need a motion to adjourn from a task force meeting. Okay, I can just adjourn it. All right, I will talk to you all soon and it seems like I may be able to be on the committee meetings next time but I think I like it when I'm not because y'all can say whatever you want to say. All right, I will see y'all next time. Thank you so much. All right, thank you. All right, thanks.