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Just use the code June Prime with no space for the discount. All right. Enjoy the podcast. You know that clock behind you? That weird, what's it called? Steampunk. Okay. What's your theory? Because I have it like preset for something very... No, no, no, no. Very special. You didn't look at it, did you? You have a preset? Take a look at it right now. 1045? That's the time. No. You just ruined my clock. You really? It was a countdown to the apocalypse. Oh, okay. No, I'm scared. Yeah, but okay, so you fixed it. Not me. You know how we had the conversation? No way, Sal, fix some tech things. My mind was about to just explode. It's a body snatcher. Anytime Sal and I have to work on tech, sometimes that works. The clip in Zoolander. Yeah. Turn it. Yeah. That sounds good. So you know how we had the conversation about our kids? This was all fair, right? About how our kids are just tech is so instinctual to them and intuitive. Like my baby son, my seven month old baby, he hears my voice on the phone. He knows to look for the screen to see my face. Like he knows, he already knows how to hang up. He's seven months old. Yeah. He'll like push the button or something. It's crazy. And it's because with us, we learn this stuff later. It's like learning a language later. You have an accent, right? These kids grow up with it, so they just know accents. Totally intuitive. It's just fluid. I came in here with my daughter and my son, because my son's getting trained by Serene. So me and my daughter, who's 11, are in here hanging out. And I said, hey, I'll give you 20 bucks. If you could figure out how to program that complicated steampunk looking. No way. Okay. 30 seconds. 30 seconds later, she goes, this is the right time, right? And I'm like, yeah. How did you do that? She's like, oh, you push this button, that button. And it gets so. So now you go, it's like a whole sequence. She just figured out. Totally figured out. She's like $300 an hour, this girl. Dude, there's literally two buttons on there. And I was like this, nothing. It ended up in scrambled code. So I gotta give her 20 bucks now. But she figured it out. That's impressive. And what's cool about it is, besides the way it looks, looks really cool, it's a 24 hour. So it's not a 12 hour, right? And so what it does is when it gets to midnight, it's zero. Oh, I see. Then it starts over. Then it starts one, two, right? And it goes all the way up. But that's it. She figured out. I couldn't believe it. Cool. 30 seconds. Military clocks? Don't they work that way? Is that how it works? Yeah. Yeah. That's how they do it in other countries, too, is they go 24 hour. Yeah. They don't say AMPM. They just say 15 o'clock. Courtney still uses, I mean, her watch and her phone, like, you know, do military time. So basically, yeah, it's just, and that always confuses the hell out of me. It's like 15, 30 or whatever. Why does she do that? Because in nursing, they run by that. So she just kept it like that. The truth is it's way more efficient and better. Because you don't get a mistake of was that PM or AM. Yes. Now, here's the thing. This is one thing I love about America. We don't care. No. You guys have your metric. Metric system back. Yeah. Metric system. Super easy to understand, right? It is. It's pretty straightforward. But no. We're going to stick to our complicated, yeah. We're going to go couple inches. That's why nobody likes America. I think we're all arrogant. That's not true. It is true, dude. There's some truth. Very, very few places. I don't see anybody. I mean, they're not swimming across the ocean and drowning to go anywhere else. Well, yeah, to come here. But if you're, if you live. But maybe it's that comment that makes us hate it. If you live in another country, though, and you're not a fan. Yeah. You know, but there are. We're just the best of all the countries. Oh my God. That's all. That's all. No big deal. No big deal. I feel the burn. Hey, someone sent me a picture. Okay. Who brought it up? The mathematics team that won. I did. Okay. Did you look them up? Of course I did. Okay. So are they for Chinese kids? For American kids. Chinese American kids. Yes. They are, huh? Okay. So I speculated on that, like joking around and somebody sent me a picture. I didn't know if it was like a meme. Because it said. Oh, like we won the first time. In 30 years. Because China always wins. Yes. And so, but we have. Yeah. They're Chinese American kids. Chinese American kids. Yeah. Win for us now. We're going to qualify America more than that. I love that. Yeah. Like, like we're, it doesn't matter how you look. You're here, you're American. Totally. And that's the only thing. Just a bit ironic. That's the title. Just a tiny bit. I know. It tracks me up. Yeah. That's like when we, we finally won hockey. Yeah. And everyone gets so mad. Why? Well, because we've never, like we were like sort of the, the joke of hockey, you know, the same thing with soccer, you know, because like all the other countries have dominated and then the first time we beat Russia. I mean, that was like huge. Oh, that was a big deal. Huge deal. Yeah. And soccer, our men's team keeps losing, right? But the women's team dominates. Women's team is badass. Yeah. They crush. Yeah. And I think it's probably because we have the most opportunities for, for sports for women. Some of the best in the world. So you can find women going through this process of training. Now when it comes to soccer for men, we don't have a market for, for men's soccer like they do in Europe. It's just not as popular here to watch. Exactly. So because of that, then a lot, then you're not going to see as much talent and focus. After elementary school, we're kind of over it. Yeah. We definitely do. We move on. Although listen, I'm not a sports fan and I know your criticism of soccer is that they fall down and pretend to get hurt all the time. Which is valid. But I've been reading all these memes about LeBron doing that all the time. Is that like a thing that he does where they falls down? Oh, I'm hurt. And the Oscar goes to LeBron James. Yeah, he is. Now, and by the way, I'm going to defend him right now, but I'm not a fan of him anymore, right? I'm definitely not a LeBron fan. He, and he does cry a lot about it in his defense though. And this is just, this has always been in the NBA. When you're a bigger, stronger player, the refs just tend to, you get hit more. That's just part of the game. It's like, when you're, when you're a big physical specimen, like a Shaquille, like Shaquille O'Neal was probably, I mean, they invented. You're a dominating force. They invented a strategy called hack-a-shack. You know, like it was like, right? Yeah, there was a, there was a. That's cool. Well, because also he couldn't shoot free throws very well. So it's like we'd rather have him on the free throw line shooting because the likelihood of him making both was not that great. Yeah. So I mean. They just push, try to just push him. Yeah. And so, I mean, LeBron does cry a lot. And then there's tons of memes around him and he's annoying, but it's, it's also because he is just a physical beast. And he's dominating. Yeah. He imposes his will physically on people. And so I think the, I think the, and I think, I think the way the reps call it is totally fair. If you're somebody who's like that, if you're going to drop your shoulder and drive into the lane and mow over guys that are 50, 70 pounds lighter than you are. Yeah. Yeah. You're going to, you're not going to get all the fouls called your way. We're going to give you a foul for a little finger that raised your forehead. That's right. So, you know, I don't feel sorry for him whatsoever, but because that's been happening to big men in the NBA for, for the beginning. So wasn't he, correct me if I'm wrong, didn't he go straight to the NBA after high school? Was that him? No, Kobe did. That was Kobe. Okay. But he was. Mellow. Was he another one? No, him. Well, no, actually you're right. Mellow and him came out the same year. And they did. For some reason I thought they did one year. But now was it LeBron like a phenom in high school and they were trying to get him? Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They were, they were. It's crazy when you, when you can look at the genetic spectrum. There was a kid. I don't remember. I don't have the article. He was bad on me, but there was this kid who was going into high school. So he's in eighth grade. He's, he was six, three, 230 pounds. He's got a shirt off. And he's like, ah, this kid is a monster. Yeah. And he's going to be a freshman. Like he's bigger than I could ever get traded. And he's like 14 years old and would run me over. It's just crazy when he, because you could, he hasn't even grown yet. What's he going to be like when he's a senior? Oh yeah. Or in college. It's going to be crazy. Yeah. I don't know. Maybe Doug, you could, you can find him. He's a freshman, 230 pound football player or whatever. And this is a picture of him like flexing. Just a powerhouse. And you can tell he's a kid cause he's got, you know, when kids are big, they're, they're not like shredded, but you could see the potential. He looks like a big puppy. Yeah. That's what he looks like. And you're like, oh my gosh, this kid is a, is a complete monster. Well, a lot of times that's how they, they draft these kids is based. They follow them early? Well, if not only they follow them early, but then they also like, based off of their genetic potential, they get down to measuring their finger length, their vertical job. Well, you know, the NFL camps that have set up in like Samoa, because of how many football players like that Island itself has produced. It's like, hey, especially colleges too. They're just like, they plant people there to, to, to, you know, follow these kids. Look at this kid. Doug, I don't know if you can expand that or whatever. He looks like Zion. Bro, look at the size of that kid. Well, you, I mean, do you, Oh my God. Do you know who Zion is? Do you watch him at all in basketball? I'm sorry. Six. I'm sorry. I was wrong. He's 65, 260. My bad. He's way bigger than I said. Yeah. Follow that kid, dude. He's going to do something. Yeah. So I have read about Zion. Wasn't he the guy that blew out his shoe? Cause we brought that up that long time. And his shoe couldn't like hold it, whatever. But the way he moves for his size is just insane. You've just never seen a guy that size move like that. So it's already crazy like how big and dominant he is. Yeah. But when you see them, and let me tell you in person, it's a whole nother thing. Like it's one thing to see it on television. I know. When they're being compared to other, you know, crazy specimens. You can't tell. Yeah. But when you get like in person and you, yourself is standing right there and they walk by. And that's the weirdest thing is when they move, like we would move, you know, like, but. Faster. Faster. So much bigger. Yeah. Faster. And more agile. Cause it used to be that used to be different. Like you'd get guys that were like seven foot or whatever, but they just like, we're all lanky and would move kind of awkwardly. But you know, they still dominate, but now they're athletic too. And this is the thing. Like I'll communicate. I've been on all these podcasts, right? Talking about the book, right? The Resistance to Training Revolution. Oftentimes they'll bring up like, oh, people are afraid of working out with weights cause they don't want to get too big, especially women. And I try to explain to them like, there's such a small percentage of people that that's even an issue. Like you don't even see these people in real life ever. But yeah, you're right, Adam. When you see it in person, you know when I first, that really hit me? When we did Map Strong and we worked with Robert Oberst. Do the speed ladder. He's a huge human being, right? He's a world's strongest man competitor. And then we were in here filming agility drills for Map Strong and how nimble he was on his feet. And then he goes over and starts doing pull-ups. He did like five in a row, just yeah. Yeah. And I'm like, oh my God. 300 and something. Yeah. And I'm like, oh, this is different. Too strong. Yeah, not to take anything from their hard work, but there's definitely a massive genetic component. Yeah, you combine that with hard work and it's like it doesn't even make sense. But boy, does that make a huge difference. So anyway, pretty great. Hey, that video of your son playing in front of the light. Oh, the Juve light? Yeah. Oh, yeah. So what do you do? Do you put it on and then you're doing your skin and then he just hangs out? Was he attracted to it? Yeah, no. So I mean, I've always had him. And way back when I remember Chokey, I think made a post of him when he was first born. I remember asking the doctor if he thought it was OK. And he said, no, actually, it's really good for him to do it when I first had him. And so he's been around it since the beginning. And it started with me as he's gotten older now. He would walk in and see me standing in front of it. And then he'd come in and he'd play with me. And obviously he just thinks it's so neat. It makes the whole room glow red. And it's now set up in Katrina's office. And so he goes in there all the time. And he'll grab me by the hand and he wants me to turn it on. So we'll go to Katrina and I. It's become this little routine now where he likes to do it so much. We just go in the office. All three of us will switch it on. Now, obviously, for the best benefits of it, you should stand like six inches away from it and naked and all this stuff like that. But you're still catching the light when you're even in there. So we'll switch it on whenever we go in the office and play around in there. And he loves it. He's attracted to it. He thinks it's hilarious. So I've been telling you guys, Jessica's been using it pretty regularly. We have the small little personal unit. And I can tell it's not even subtle. It's a huge difference. Or skin. A huge difference. To the point where I actually thought she was putting on like foundation or something. Well, that's originally right. So before Juve came around and the first introduction of like red light usage was more like dermatologists and skin, right? They were in beauty salons. Yeah. It wasn't until later did all the research about like recovery and stuff came later. And that's obviously what I think made it explode. It was like, oh, we found out that not only is it great for skin and hair, but it's incredible also for recovery too. There's always performance benefits to it as well. Yeah. Remember they signed with the Niners? Yeah. I forget what other they have. They have them in. There's all these panels that they have on the wall. That's really cool. It's like mounted already. So players just go in there and there's like a whole like, like not rehabilitation, but like one of those like recovery centers where they have a lot of those things like the Norma Tech boots and all these other kind of devices to help with the recovery process. But I thought that was super cool that they actually put that there. That's always a good sign. Like when you think something's going to take off, right? A company's going to explode is when like a sport, an NFL or an NBA or like a professional sport adopts that. Yeah, because money's on the line for them. Yeah, and exactly. And they're willing to spend that extra money to try getting that competitive edge. So I think speaking of like companies and before they explode or whatever like that or I just bought, I try to share, I'll try to share this more often when I do this. And by the way, I get questions all the time about stocks. Like I'm not any, don't follow me. I just share what I'm doing and the logic behind why I do it. He's the wolf of mine pump. No, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. In fact, my portfolio's not even doing that great right now. So don't follow me. But I do believe in this idea of, okay, if there's companies that you believe in and you like, right? And you've done your research on what they're doing and they've been around already for a while, right? Like it's a smart investment long term. This is not a, it's not AMC, right? I'm advising people because that thing's up 11. It's like a stable company. Yeah, like so like General Mills, right? So news came out not that long ago that they have committed by 2030 to have one million acres of regenerative farmland. So and I just, I think that's the direction we're going, right? So obviously that's a big conversation with climate change and things like that. So, you know, the farms that will continue, it's either you're either pro-vegan that side because of those things or you think regenerative farming is the direction and I'm a fan of regenerative farming and that's the direction that I think they're going to start pushing almost all companies. So them committing to over one million acres of that by 2030, I just think that's going to be a smart bet. Yeah, it's smart. I mean, it seems like the consumers are demanding, businesses really like move in that direction, you know, or they're going to get a lot of grief and people won't buy their products. Not only that, but it's not out of the realm of, you know, perceptible or what might happen is that we're going to see regulations and fines. So that's what I think. Okay, so my theory is we're going to start to see that. And it'll actually save them money because if they don't, totally charged, or they'll get rebates or some kind of. That's why I like a bet like this. So I see, you see that. I feel like the writing is on the wall that we're moving in this direction where they are, they're going to tax the people that are not farming that way higher and make it more difficult for them, which will force all these companies. So the companies that see that coming already and are already investing heavily in getting that ready. So I think that's a. Yeah. And the other reason why you'd want to invest in a company that you believe in and know about and use their products is it helps you ride the waves, right? Because the biggest challenge with investing is, and this was the biggest mistake. Everybody knows this, right? Buy low, sell high, right? So buy when something's cheap, sell when it makes money. Everybody knows that. Lots of people don't do it because they panic when it goes down and when it goes up, they want to buy something because it looks like it's doing really great. What helps you ride that is if you just believe in the company. So you know what's funny? So I only invest this way with Max's portfolio. My portfolio, I do all the asshole stuff. You do all the crazy research. I do. Yeah, my buddy calls me, oh, this is a great buy. This is not. I think I'm getting some great tips. See, if you look at. I do that dumb shit on my own portfolio. Max, because I'm not thinking right now in the next five years. I'm thinking about 20-plus years for him. Right. So I don't mess around with the like. You know, it's impulsive. Yeah, I'm not impulsive. I'm not speculating on what's going to happen in the next year or so. I'm just like, okay, this is already. All his companies are solid big companies and have been around for a while already. And then news comes out about a direction. 10 years is just goes way past years. Yeah. No, it's already that way. My portfolios. Yeah. I mean, I might have a week where mine looks impressive and amazing, but then all of a sudden then it dips down. That's all I do because I hate watching that up and down. Back in the day I invested in a cannabis company. It was GW Pharmaceutical, which I sold because they ended up getting acquired and whatever, but it helped me stay with them because, and they fluctuated like crazy. But I believed in the science so much that I rode the wave. If I wasn't one of those people that believed in that company, I would have sold way too low. I would have freaked out, for sure. Anyway, you guys want to hear something, speaking of freaking out, want to hear something crazy? This is going to blow you away. Blow me away. Blow me away. So I read this article, and this is the title of the article. Computers will be able to read images from your brain within a decade. What? So within a decade, computers will literally be able to print or decipher the image that's in your head. Like what you're thinking about at that moment in time. So there's an artificial intelligence system for researchers at Kyoto University, this is in Japan, that through working through deep learning and generative networks, it can read the image in a person, a person sees in their mind's eye and transform it into digital photographs with up to 99% accuracy. So in other words, a person thinks of an image, the computer through this technology will then print the image, and it's 99% accurate. So are they tracking all of your body language? 99. Like how does this algorithm work? Like how do they determine all these plot points of like, oh, he must be thinking this because it starts to draw it based off of how your eyes are thinking about it. They're not to the point where they could interrogate you and say, did you do this, did you do that, and then print what's happening in your brain. So far what people have to do is they have to actively think about it. Like you have to say like, Adam, think of a pineapple right now. I think about a pineapple and then it draws it. But within 10 years, they're gonna get to that point. Now that to me is terrifying. Now what I think is interesting is that it's, you're saying it's 99% accurate. Like, so what, if I thought of a pineapple and then it drew it and then Justin thought of a pineapple, would they look exactly the same? You would be the one to determine, you know, so- Or like, you know, because maybe he's a little more artistic than I am, his pineapple looks more accurate. No, I think what they would do is they would say- How does that work? No. I think what they would do is they would say, Adam, think of something. And then the computer does it and then you'd be like, oh my gosh, that's so weird. I was totally thinking of a 1954, or whatever. So that's I think how they're doing the task. And this isn't like part of Neuralink where they have like a chip already, like within your brain, where it's like a communicating- Are you all pro- Yeah, are you all wired up with this? I mean, you are wired up, but they're not putting anything that's invasive according to the article. So really, really weird. Dude, that's really- That's hard for me to believe. I need to see this. Really, really weird. So, and I mean, imagine the applications of a computer being able to literally read what you're thinking in your brain. Imagine that. Imagine being on trial. Dude, we have no more like privacy. Yeah, like you're taking things from my mind now. Well, according to Adam, they'll be able to advertise to you really well, I guess. That's right. That's always the only benefit. I mean, you're going to have to. You're going to obviously have to opt in. I did want those shoes. Hey, just like the assholes that opt into Facebook and they get all that shit taken, it's the same thing. You're going to have to opt into it. It's not like they're going to be able to- It's not like we're going to be forced to have probes on our heads. I don't know. What if they have these machines just like on every corner, like when you go into a store and it's like scanning you. I'm like, no. You're guys- UFO brains going now. No, no, no. When technology that is this. Ten-foil hats, dude. That is this powerful, is way too irresistible for investigative agencies in deep state, you know. For sure. If they can read your mind, you think the CIA is going to be like, yeah, we need to ask the permit. Now, they're going to be like, we're interrogating these terrorists. Right. If they don't get the permit, they can just go to jail, keep him in jail and so on. No one's going to know. So when they come here to whatever- This machine just always draws like a stupid bomb, or those old ones with like a wick. You're busted. Yeah. Or TNT, the old cartoons or whatever. Well, I could also see that you would probably be trained to mislead the machine. Right. Totally. You know what I'm saying? Right. Or get people to think about something that you want them to think about, right? Well, yeah, that does remind me of that of- Bicycle, bicycle, bicycle, bicycle. You're like, ah. They're like, ah! Yeah, yeah, when they're trying to see if you're lying or not, right? So like, people have cheated that machine and been able to hack, you know, their heart rate and everything else to make sure that like, it didn't look like there was any blips. You imagine a commercial version of this? They're lying. You're in an argument with your wife, you know what I mean? She's like, were you looking at that girl? No! It's all drawn like two boos. Hold on, let me pull up the app that I just got. Let's see real quick. Oh my God! That's all you've been thinking about, instead of a, you know what I'm saying? This is very problematic, so I'm not excited about this. Okay, so more scary technology news. I was on a scary technology news hit the other day. I like it. I don't like it. So you guys ready for this? Here's the title of this one. And I'm gonna close this out here, stupid thing. An autonomous weaponized drone hunted down humans without command for the first time. What? So for the first time ever, we had a drone that was autonomous, hunt down people that we wanted to, and it killed it themselves. Oh my God. This is a UN report that revealed this. So it was an artificially intelligent, you know, drone. So nobody was manning this drone. This drone was basically given information to go find this individual, and did a lethal... Were they, and they shoot him with something? Was it successful? It was successful. It was. So the first time an attack by artificial intelligence has taken place, and this was in Libya in March, 2020. So that's kind of crazy. So we've just unleashed Skynet. Yeah. So what else have we done? Wow. Oh my God, dude. I know what's going on. We're just messing with everything. I know, right? That's crazy. That's too much. You imagine that? It's falling around. It's like, I'll kill this guy over here. Well, I mean, in terms of all this crazy information, I was watching this, the latest documentary was on Son of Sam. And you guys know Son of Sam, you know, in terms of like being one of the most crazy, like, serial killer, you know, back in, I don't know, the 60s, 70s. But it was a cost hysteria, mass hysteria in New York, and everybody was scared. It was like targeting women, brown hair, I think, believe, but like he would just go and like shoot them in their car and everybody was scared. Well, this documentary was going over a lot more evidence that the police didn't even dig through or even do their homework with that there was more people involved. So not just him? Not just him. And it's very compelling evidence that shows it was part of this like Satanic cult, which is my wheelhouse. I was like, oh my God, another cult, like that was unknown. You're so into this weird shit. You are, dude. Dude. Do you sleep after this? Well, it was hard to sleep after this. Now back in their defense, back then though, like they didn't even, like serial killer wasn't even termed. Was it yet? Was it even a thing yet? Oh yeah. It all came out like at once. Yeah, around that same time, right? And this is where it gets really crazy with the MK Ultra stuff where they masked with all these people with LSD and they did all these like crazy brainwashing experiments and things. It unleashed all kinds of crazy and they can actually now trace a lot of these people involved, which basically they killed themselves when they started investigating all these other leads later. And so it makes you even more like why would they kill themselves if they're now looking into them? Well, so here's a, I guess, a more mainstream explanation. Not saying that that's not what happened, but here's a more mainstream one. And you see this, especially as media has gotten bigger and bigger, is that because for a long time, serial killers weren't really a thing. And then all of a sudden, you got a serial killer, lots of media attention. Copycats. It's not just copycats, but people who are on the edge, they see these media reports and it pushes them in this particular direction. For example, mass shootings. Mass shootings are the same thing. A mass shooting will happen and then all of a sudden you'll see another one and another one. Well, the thing is it's, there's an arrogance element there, too, with like, we got them. Like we got them, the case closed. Like, you know, it's so much hysteria that they wanted like, this is the answer. It was this guy end of story, even though a lot of even the victims' families are like, there's the evidence doesn't look like it could have been just one person being in like two different places at the same time. You know, there's a country, I don't know where, but they actually passed a law that made it illegal to post a serial killer or mass shooter's name. So they wouldn't get media attention. And the goal was to prevent further, other people from doing the same thing. And it seems to have worked. I can't remember where it was. Yeah, no, there's a, I've shared a long time ago on the podcast. You guys know that that's like with bank robbers, right? Like the bank robberies that happen, they happen all the time. And I believe the success rate is like 50-50. So the success rate is so high that they don't want to promote that. They don't want people to know. Really, it's that good. Yeah, I think a lot of people get away with it. That's what it was before. This has been a long time since I've read anything around this, but I thought that was a really interesting stat that they actually have a higher success rate and they don't share, they don't share, they only share people getting caught. So they don't promote this. Like it can get done that easy. So it's just- Because I would think 95% of the time you get caught. Yeah, you would think that, but I don't think that's the case. Don't they always have the money that explodes blue or whatever? I know. Is that just the movies? Yeah, I think it's just the movies. The ink. Yeah, yeah. If you take it home. Not when you rob the teller, right? The teller right there has just got whatever's in her drawer right there. So it's not like she's got paintballs inside. That's wild. Oh, give them the one with the ink. Yeah, it's like, they should have that. You know, to your point though about, like it promotes it or the copycats or whatever, we're seeing something similar in the NBA right now with there's this stupid thing that's happening right now with these fans. Fans are coming back in the stands and they're causing shit. You know, like you had somebody dump popcorn on Kyrie Irving when he was thrown out. Another fan spit on another player behind the bench. This is all happening in this last couple of weeks. Another fan ran out on the court and right in the middle of the game. Is it just because they're there and like, now we can interact with everybody? Yeah, I mean, they're getting attention, right? That's why. Yeah, they're playing them on ESPN and they're talking all about them and player and they're making a big deal about it and stuff. So that's part of why I think it's happening more often now. Then I also think there's a little bit of this like pent up energy because you locked everybody down for so long and now they're out and about and just cause a ruckus now. Yeah, be an idiot. A ruckus. That was in the breakfast club. I heard a ruckus. I heard a ruckus. I think they should handle shit like that the way that Vegas casino handles, casinos handle cheaters. You don't see the cheaters. You don't hear about it or nothing like that. So they're just missing a hand. Yeah, and exactly. And they make sure you ain't coming back. Well, that's what happens when half of the businesses are owned by like mobsters. Yeah, a little bit of gangsters stuff. I'm sure if the NBA was half owned by mobsters, you'd see that. What's soccer? There was a documentary on that. Like, there was a bunch of, Doug, you know this? Do you know anything about this? Something about like the Hooligans? No, no, there was several soccer teams or league that was owned by big drug lords. That was a, there was a cool, I think, 30 for 30 documentary on it. Well, I know in, I mean, all over the world, in some countries, soccer is so worshiped. There was a player that accidentally made a goal in their own net, lost the game, when they got home, killed. Well, this is during the same era. So that story, I believe, was in this documentary that I watched. I cannot think of the famous drug dealer who slipped in my, you got to find it, Doug? Columbia. Yeah, I think it was, maybe Pablo Escobar. Pablo was one of them. So there was several of them that actually owned teams. And of course, they're gambling and betting on it, so you like make them throw games. And Columbia must be a very energetic country. They have coffee and cocaine. You know, I was like, too- Very productive. Too strong, stimuli, come out of Columbia. Just people running everywhere. We have coffee and cocaine, that's what we do. You know, speaking of- Just give him a bunch of treadmills. Speaking of the serial killers, did you know that they deciphered the law? You know the Zodiac killer, you know that is, right? So he was a big deal in San Francisco, I think. And he had put, and he would put out these long notes to the press and the police in code. They recently deciphered. There were some mathematicians who finally cracked a code. Have you seen this? No. And you can, I don't know if you could pull it up, Doug. No, because the Zodiac- I'm saying back to that, too. Like, he had all these people like listed in his letters that he had, and they didn't even like go through and try and find these people. I thought they already cracked that, Sal. Didn't they? This wasn't, this was relatively recently. There were like these mathematicians that finally cracked a code. Cause the documentary I could have sworn went into that. Maybe it was like within the last five years. Oh, okay, yeah. That documentary is about five years old, I think. It's about one of the, have you guys seen it? It's a really good- I haven't. Yeah, I did see it, but I don't really remember that. Yeah, I did. So I don't know if you could, if there's parts of it you could read, but- 51 years after. It's really creepy, the shit that this guy wrote. This was published in December of last year. Yeah, so it's about a year old. What did it say about that? Now I'm really interested, cause the documentary was well before that. So there's stuff that they found out more later. It was like these notes that he would write that nobody could decipher. Code cracker. Yeah, they talked about it. He used to write the chronicle. Like he would send them like a letter basically telling him what he's gonna do in code and they wouldn't be able to decipher it in time before he'd murdered somebody. Yeah, see, this is why, this is part of the reason why these, that you see more of these people as they get that attention. You know, and it like pushes them in that direction. It's massive narcissism. It's a game to him now. Well, yeah, it's like, why would you kill all these people if you're not, if no one's gonna find out type of deal. Especially mass shooters. A lot of them. Yeah, but then there's the other side of that. Like the best way to probably also find them is to let lots of people know. Cause I'm sure there's a lot of success in that also. There's a bit of that. Yeah, cause then the more people that are looking at the same time, they can kind of see trends and habits of behaviors of people around them. Like, oh, this guy. Double-edged sword a little bit, right? Well, I guess we can't find what it says. So, but anyway, they did, they did crack it into our private citizens. These were like regular people that, you know, that we're able to. That's interesting. I didn't know that. I didn't even want to read into that because the documentary I did a great job of going through everything. I thought they had figured everything out by then. So if this was only a year old, that was well after that documentary. So send that, we send that over to the group thread so I can read it. I'm curious to read what exactly Sal's talking about. It appears like there are 30, 340 ciphers as they call them, like symbols. And it was an Australian mathematician, Sam Blake that figured it out. Wow. Yeah. Dang, that's crazy. Good for him. You're mentioning the other day about like a dad fail. So I'm like wrestling with something right now. I'm like wondering, you know, did I make the right move? Did I not? So when I was growing up, like when you went from elementary school to junior high, I mean, that was kind of a big deal, but there was no ceremony. You know, there was no like commencement or like, you know, graduation or whatever. And even then it was like, I'm going from sixth grade to seventh grade. Our junior high was seventh and eighth, but now it's like, they do this whole like a ceremony and graduation for fifth grade going into sixth grade. And so like Ethan's doing that today. And I'm like, and I opted, you know, obviously to work. And so he's doing that and my whole family's there. And like all this stuff, he's wearing a bow tie today. And I'm like, oh no, maybe I didn't make the right decision. I think you might have. I don't think you'll, bro, I don't think you'll, I mean, Sal and I probably disagree on this one, right? He's more family guy on the other side of the, cause Katrina and I were literally just talking about something similar cause her family celebrates everything. Kid goes from kindergarten to first grade, we're celebrating. Kid goes from fifth to sixth, we're celebrating. Some graduates eighth grade, we're definitely celebrating. Some gets a job promotion, we're all celebrating. Any excuse to get the whole family here and celebrate. Well, here's the different, the, here's the challenge. The challenge isn't that it's a big deal or not a big deal. The challenge is that everybody's there but you. So what he'll remember, what he may remember is, My dad missed out. I don't know why is everybody here, but I'm not my dad. So here's the trick, here's what you gotta do. You're fine. He sees you as a YouTube star, you're fine. No, no, no, here's what you do. Listen, listen. Hey, that trumps that bro all day. Trust me, trust me with this. I fucked up real bad a couple of times with my kids and this seemed, and my kids now remember this part and not that part. Okay. When you show up today, you gotta have something cool for them, like a cool gift. That's, that's a good thing. And be like, hey, I had to work today, but also the reason why I wasn't there is cause I got you this fucking awesome, whatever. And he's like, my dad's the best dad ever. Deliver it just like that. Did anybody else buy you something cool? Yeah, whatever. Trust me. Buy his love. You're a robot. Dad tipped the day, buy his love, buy his love. No, I mean, it doesn't work all the time, but you guys know the time I missed the father daughter dance on my daughter. Yeah, he did the Disneyland thing, right? I took her to Disneyland. So she'll never forget that. She talks about that all the time. Well, I mean, I'm just like weighing these things out just like, you know, the whole trophy thing. You know, it's like, like, you're just graduating from fifth to sixth grade. Like, you gotta keep going. You know, like eighth grade, I'll give you that milestone, like high school. That's a big thing. Like, I'm like, this is just fifth to sixth grade. I'm like, I love you, dude, but you gotta keep going. What is the theory on that? Do you guys know, like, because obviously going from eighth grade to high school, like you're supposed to do that. So why do we celebrate that? Why is it like a... I think people just like to celebrate. There's gotta be some sort of history, right? There's gotta be some sort of history of like, who decided all of a sudden one day that we're like, you know what, we should make this big ordeal about kids. I bet you there was like, maybe way back when there was a good portion of the population that opted out of school after that age. Maybe that's what it was. And then if you continued on, it was a big celebration. Like, good for you, you're gonna further your education. There's gotta be... Good for you, you're making this history. I definitely think that the kids are a little intimidated because it's like, now you're stepping into the big leagues. You know, like high school was a bit of a... Yeah, but isn't it that way because we make it that way, right? It's a big leap. Because if it was all in the same school where there was you had, it wouldn't be a big deal. It'd just be the next grade. That's true. Separate schools. Okay, obviously it's like the kids that get trophies for just participating. Like, I wouldn't celebrate the trophy, but I would celebrate the games, right? So I wouldn't tell my kid, wow, you got a trophy, bleh. I wouldn't do that because it's like, well, you didn't win anything. Participation trophies. I have a fun fact for you. You just brought that up. I'm listening to this great interview. By the way, Patrick Bet David has become one of my favorite people to listen to interview other people. And he was interviewing, what's the comedian's name, Doug? I don't know why it always slips from his name. What's the comedian's name? Name a comedian. No, no, no. I was just telling Doug this story. Uber. No, no. You can't think of it either? Bose. I just asked you. No, no, no. The most famous comedian. Kevin Hart. Kevin Hart, yeah. Thank you. Kevin Hart. Come on, Doug. Stupid Doug. I had to pull a comedian out of the sky. No, you didn't mention it. I asked it to him right before we walked in. That's pretty good, Doug. I knew it back then. Anyways, so one of the questions he asked him is, when did you know that you were funny? Like when did you know that you had this talent or gift? He tells a story that in, I think it was eighth grade, he got a participation award. And he went up to give his speech and there was like 70 people in there. And he basically ripped himself and made fun of himself for being like an underachiever. And the whole place was like roaring, just thought it was so hilarious. And he says it was at that moment I realized that I had this talent to do that. Everybody was coming up to him afterwards and his mom and saying like, oh, your son's so funny and witty and smart and everything. But he got a participation trophy and he went up there and instead of like, making a big deal about, oh, look, I got it. It was more like making fun of himself for being an underachiever. The one case where it actually worked out. Well, speaking of these participation trophy kids, I swear that generation is producing these super sensitive like Instagram reporters that I can't get. Instagram reporters. You know what we've done? We've done with social media. That's a job now. We've given individuals too much power. Well, you know what Doug would say to that right now, right? He would point out your point you just made 10 minutes ago, which is you talking about it and bringing it up only causes more attention because somebody got your attention by doing that. Is that right, Doug? I agree wholeheartedly with that. Maybe I want more attention. What you focus on expands, they say. Oh, wow. Yeah, yeah. I just bought a Volkswagen, I see him everywhere. They're expanding. Hey, it's still a noise of shit out of me. I know, I know. Too much power to individual people. Whatever happened back in the day, you don't like something, just turn around. Well, you know, okay, so. Or if you're offended and you tell, you have to tell them to their face. Well, okay, so where do you, okay, where do you stand on this? Because there's thought police now. We talked about. You can't even think that way. I don't care, this is kind of a neat conversation because something interesting happened to one of our good friends, Lane Norton, just recently, right? So, Lane was. Yeah, he got targeted by people. He got targeted and so, and I love Lane. I hate to see that happen to one of our friends or whatever I thought. But there's also another side to this, okay? And I will tell Lane this, I've told him that openly. He brings on a lot of this attention because his whole business model is this whole, you know. He goes after people. He goes after everybody. And his mission, he believes, is to go call out all the bullshit. And he does it in a very aggressive way. And it makes it very entertaining. It's grown his business substantially. Oh, people love that. Yeah, so he's doubled and tripled down on that and more power to him if that's the model he wants. But that also attracts a lot of people that are gonna hate on you. And they say that, like, I don't like this idea too of like, you know, no matter how big you get, like if you're doing the right things, you're gonna have haters like this. I pride ourselves on the fact that we actually have built something this big and we don't get a lot of hate. No, we don't. Every now and then we do, but we don't get a ton of it. But I also feel like we don't attract that. Except that meal company that emailed you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Every once in a while, every once in a while, maybe a little bit, right? But, you know, okay, so what ends up happening? This is my theory, right? I don't know if this is exactly what happened, but the way the algorithm works with like YouTube and with Instagram is they can't like, it's not one person that comments and says, oh, or else there'd be one hater who could shut down all these businesses. It doesn't work that way. It's when the algorithm gets a flood of like the same complaint or at the same time from all different directions. So, and now we have this era where kids get together on Reddit and they move a stock. I mean, that's the power of it, right? And there's people on each side of this. There's got people that are traders. There's power in these groups. That's right. And if you can get enough people that agree with you, yes, lanes an asshole and band together and say, let's all tomorrow go put a block on him and say, this is offensive. And then it hacks the algorithm because it's all, it's not like there's a person sitting behind there who's like, oh yeah, what Sal said is definitely offensive. We're blocking that. But I think there's more to it. I think if you've had previous complaints, then they make it more sensitive. I do think, and there's plenty of evidence of this, that people that work at these companies will target particular people because they don't agree with their views. So people on Facebook or Instagram will, look at it, let me put it this way. Yeah, but you can't think that that's you or Lane. No, no, no, no. Hold on, that's not the point. We're talking about the bigger picture here. You're right, but that's the big, I'm talking about the, for example, you have people that were kicked off of social media permanently. And then you have like the Ayatollah of Iran who talks about killing Jews all the time, has a Twitter account. Oh, the algorithm, my ass. There's literally someone there who's like, this is okay, and this isn't. And that's fine, that's your company. I mean, I don't know, is there really though? It's hypocritical. No, it is, it's clear, bro. It is clear. It's not that clear. I don't think it's that clear. I think it's very clear. I think that there's an algorithm that they put in place, which by the way, how do you police a billion people? If you have a billion people viewing your stuff in and out, I mean, think about that for a second, okay? How hard, mind pump grows to be as massive as YouTube does and we've got a billion eyeballs on us every single day. There's no, you couldn't even build a team of people to monitor everything. So you have to write a code and an algorithm. And then how do you decide what that algorithm looks like? I heard a good conversation about this and one thing that they brought up, which I totally think, I agree with, I think there's, we gotta get rid of the autonomy. We gotta get rid of the people that, you can't pinpoint this individual as being the person that's taught. They can just hide behind an autonomous profile and it could be from anywhere. It could be from Russia. It could be from China. Oh, yeah, I said autonomous. I'm talking about the autonomous drone. It's autonomous. But yeah, no, so for me personally, it needs to come back to person-to-person interaction and have communication. If you're really staunch about your stance, we need to know that you're a real human being first and foremost and not a robot. You're giving, okay. That's fair. That's a good argument. And a lot of these algorithms give too much power to individual people. So in the past, if you had a company where 95% of everybody- You're such a free market guy though. You're right, absolutely. And I'm telling you right now that this part of the market is gonna get corrected because I'm not the only one that's seeing this. No, I don't disagree. I mean, it's a- It's gonna get corrected because there's too much power going to individual crybabies. Okay, it's an improving algorithm. It's not like it's, this is the rule and this is what we mean. This is the direction they started. And then this is now, here's the consequences of that algorithm. What could potentially happen? You could get 500 anonymous bots that one person maybe has built or controlling to go target a person. So I can get behind, I can get, now, okay. That's literally happened. So that's been a part of- Right, okay. So what we've seen in elections- So now as the owner of YouTube, and okay, now I gotta figure out how do we combat that, right? So how do we write an algorithm now that fixes that? But you gotta start somewhere. You gotta, or else, are you just gonna, are you not- I agree, I think you're right. I also, but what I'm trying to say is it has to change. You give too much power to individuals. It will, though, it will. It has to, right, but it has to. I mean, it does. It always does. It evolves, right? But there's another part to this, which is very clear. It is not consistent. There are people who get banned and kicked off and deleted, and then there are other people who are far more- Well, okay. inflammatory, dangerous- That's your theory and my theory. It's not, well, no, it's not a theory. It's been proven. Well, okay, no, it's not been proven. Actually, it has. No, it has not. Show me the proof on that. What? Because what you don't know is what could this could potentially happen. Okay, let's use Lane's example. Lane can make the case that he's targeted in the fitness space out of everybody because of this is happening to him. I would argue back to him, it's like, you've pissed off more people who've banned together and gone and reported you. So are you, because of your, let's say he has political views, and he can try and there's a correlation there that look at everybody who has these political views, get turned around. Maybe you're an asshole. Yeah, inflammatory, beat out. Maybe you're more of an asshole than this person who has a different ideology than you do, and you're less liked, therefore they can't hack the algorithm because there's only five people that don't like you, not 500. Or if you watch the undercover videos with executives from these social media companies who are specifically saying, we are targeting these people, we're targeting this person in particular, this political individual, and we are specifically trying to get them kicked off, which those videos exist. So fair, okay, so if there's, remember these are people. Isolated incidents where there's the, these are people running these companies, people are not robots. In other words, they have their opinions, and if their opinions lean one way or they don't want, they'll do that and it's not fair. And because it's so big, here's the deal, here's my rub. Well, then also you gotta go, here's another thing too, it's a private company. You're right, and now here's my rub. You're right, 100%. Here's my rub with that. They're gonna fuck themselves. If they keep doing this, look. What do you think about this legislation in Florida, like trying to check it? That's an example. It's what happens when you're at company. Back up, tell me what that is. So the mayor. No, the governor. A governor, okay. DeSantos, right. Yeah, so, well, you'd explain it solid, you probably know it better than me, but basically he basically put it out that you can have a lawsuit for being de-platformed if you're targeted on one of these social media companies. No, what it said was, if you're a social media company and you remove a person who's been elected to office, you will be fined every single day for doing that in Florida. So if there's a president or a governor or a senator and Twitter just deletes you, the law says if they're elected officials, you can't do that, otherwise you'll get fined. Okay, so just elected officials. Now, how does, across the regular. Okay, so now how does Florida have the power to, so are you saying that in this situation, if Twitter decided to de-platform somebody right now who's a governor, right, of Florida, Florida can then take action after Twitter? Absolutely. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, absolutely. I didn't know you could do that. I mean, you can and they'll fight it, but you definitely can. And then my point is this, like again, I'm a big free market guy, but the problem is, and here's the deal, we'll talk about the supplement industry. Well, this is my problem with your argument is that you go back and forth here. No, I'm not going back and forth. You're a big free market guy when it serves you and it doesn't serve you. I'm actually not. I'm not saying I like this. What I'm saying is this is a reaction to business owners being idiots. For example, look at the supplement industry. It's a matter of time before it continues to get more regulated. Why? Because supplement companies continue to do stupid shit. They're inviting regulators to get popular opinion on their side and then pass these crazy laws. So it's like if your supplement comes, like when they do these studies where they take 10 supplements and nine of them don't have what they say they have in them, now the FDA has got a great case and the public will start to support it. So with social media companies in the past trying to regulate them, the public didn't support it. Now a lot of people are like, actually that makes sense because you de-platformed this person. But this person's over here. Well, you've seen this too with how they handled Parler. Like there was a competitive force out there to get people onto a platform that didn't have a different bias. Granted it was an extreme other end bias, but you saw what happened to them and how they got upended. They're literally asking for it. The problem is that people want that, right? That's my thought is that what we're gonna see is there'll be another, the Twitter's counter. There's gonna be Facebook's counter. There's gonna be the Instagram's counter. I think before that. And it's gonna look just why would it be any different, right? Because we've seen this in traditional media and news for the long time. You can, there's a great, there's a great, what you call it, what do you call those like images, right? Where you, they have the, you know, down the middle to the left, far left, right, far right. And then like all the news media. Oh, right, right, right. I forget what it's called. What's that? It's like a- Infographic. Infographic, thank you. So there's a great infographic that shows you that. I mean, we're gonna have the same thing with a social media platform since it's become the future of how everybody's consuming their media. I agree, but I also think because of the way that these social media companies have been operating, they have invited tons of legislation. Before that happens, mark my word, the era of free social media is over. And they've done it themselves. They've influenced- They went way too far. They went way too far with the way they ban people and the way that they tend to take sides and whatever. And they just invited, they pissed off the left for a long time. Now they pissed off the right. So now they're pissing everybody off. Now public opinion is starting to sway in the direction of regulation. So what do you think's gonna happen? They're gonna get regulated. There's just been a lot more negative aspects to it. That's what it's gonna do. Media bias chart, it's a really good chart for people so you kind of know where. And this is really good, I think, for something. What I try and do always, because sometimes I don't remember where all of them fall, if I read an article that gets me all fired up, I'm like, oh my God, I can't believe this bullshit. I'll go to this media bias chart and see which side it leans. And then I'll go read the same, I'll try and find the opposite side that wrote about the same thing that you kind of balance out with. It requires a lot of work to be able to get outside of all the bias, it's crazy. We're very easily influenced. And that's where I think it's gonna go though, don't you? I just, okay, so they brought on all this legislation, okay? I do, however, old media was very free, was not regulated in the same way. Social media is not gonna be free, I promise you. Regulation's coming down the pike and people are supporting it because they've pissed everybody off. It's their own fucking fault because of the way you guys do things. And it sucks, it sucks because it should be totally free. But in order to be totally free and not invite legislation, you have to operate with the way that exemplifies integrity at some point. So then the answer is, in your opinion, is to just allow it all to be free, right? I would wish that it would be done that way. I would love for it to happen that way. It's not gonna happen though. They've done things so stupid that it's already happening. You're already seeing states and starting, like I said, they pissed both sides off. It's so hard for me to kind of get behind that because I just, I try and put my feet in their shoes where if I built YouTube up. Oh, sure, it's challenging, isn't it? Yeah, because you have your own personal morals and values as an owner of a company. And I don't give a fuck about your opinion or how things are gonna get legislated or if they're not gonna throw, and it's gonna be more difficult for me. It's my company, and I don't want this crazy motherfucker putting videos on my platform, so I'm gonna pull them down. I agree with you, but you know what would help that? So if I was that person who ran this social media company and I saw, man, we're gonna get legislated and then we're gonna get fucked, what I would do is I'd be open about it. Hey, here's the deal, I don't like him. I like these other people. You're right, I lean this direction or I lean that direction. So my social media company is just like that. I agree. I would just be out there. I mean, that would be the- The problem is they pretend not to. They say that they're, no, we're totally neutral. You're not neutral. No, you're not. And so then that's, you piss people off and because you're so big, you have so much influence. Like politicians, you can tell, they're just like, I can't wait to legislate over this. It doesn't matter what side of the aisle you're on either now. I mean, when you say legislate though, what do you think, because I don't think it's gonna get as controlled and as crazy as you think it is. I think what'll end up happening is it'll open up competitors. Well, here's what I think. I think you see more legislation like you saw in Florida. You're gonna see more of that start to happen. I think you're gonna see them not get protection. Which by the way, do you like that or not like that? You're not a fan of what they passed in Florida. You know, I can see why they would pass a law like that, but I think like who are you to pass a law on a private company? Well, yeah, and I'm not a fan of giving more control and power to the government. I'm almost never. You know what I'm saying? Like, and you get to decide what- Exactly. That cynical me like likes that they gave him a slap in the face though. You know, because of just running free with all this like ridiculously obvious bias. And to me, it just screams of that. So I don't know. Again, it's a reaction, it's an extreme reaction to what I've seen them not deal with internally. Well, yeah, to your point, I mean, what you don't give them a lot of options to how to combat it, right? Like how were they supposed to respond? They've muscled out any competition. That's right. So that's why I'm like, there needs to be another thing implemented in here to kind of create some more balance. And so that's what I picture happening is more and more of this legislation happening like you were saying throughout states till eventually somebody gets the gumption to go, okay, I think we can try and maybe not take down the monster of Twitter, but I think I can build something competitive enough because there's enough people that don't like how they do business. I'm gonna go the opposite direction, favor the views that these people like. And that's where we're gonna see the Fox and the CNN of Instagram and Twitter and Facebook. I agree, I think so, but I do think it's not gonna be as easy anymore because they're gonna regulate it and there's gonna be lots of legislation and people are gonna love the legislation because like Justin said, it makes you feel good for a second because like, yeah, that's what you get. Yeah, get them. But then you don't realize like, oh, shit, now they have. If it keeps going, yeah, it's gonna go bad for the consumer. Exactly. It'll go bad. And I think that's gonna, I think that's totally gonna happen. Remember, they're protected. So Twitter, Facebook, Instagram. They're all protected like as if they were the phone company, right? Like AT&T here in California is the phone company that we use. And if I call Justin or someone else and we commit a crime or plan a crime, AT&T is not responsible. There's laws that protect AT&T because they're just allowing us to talk but they're not actively engaged. Now in a magazine with editors, if an editor allows an article to go in that puts slander on someone or that promotes something that's illegal, the magazine could be liable and these social media companies are treated like phone companies. But they're obviously- But they're editing in- Yes. Yeah, making sure like certain people aren't on the platform. Right. So when they're doing that, it's like, guys, how long do you think you're gonna get away with doing all this and not getting regulated? Like it's your, just like the supplement companies, just like these idiots that only supplement companies that are putting shit in their pills that they're not supposed to or lying or ripping people off. At some point it's gonna get regulated. We're all gonna get pissed off. But guess what? It's their fault. It's their own fault that they brought this. Well, and this has always been my, because you know, this is where you and I are a little bit different because I know I do lean free market with most ideas, but unfortunately there's a lot of evil and bad people. There's a lot of people that like, you can say that all day long, like you're bringing this on, it doesn't matter. There's gonna be people that are gonna break rules, are gonna do shady business, they're just gonna be bad. And without allowing some sort of higher power to come in and legislate rules and laws to try and even the playing field, there's always gonna be somebody trying to manipulate. That's the one problem that I have with completely letting things be free. Oh, I'm not an anarchist. I think there should be, that's why it's a nuance. Yeah, I think there definitely should be laws. I'm not saying there shouldn't be laws. But that's also, because you feel that way, this is where this gray area becomes like, where? Where do they step in? Because I'm not completely anti what has happened to like our friend Lane or what even happened to you because, okay, it's not like it's, one person has that power. I'm almost positive the algorithm doesn't work now. I think at some point though you do. I think if you get people and then they, I don't disagree with that. Okay, I'm not, you're taking my point and taking it to another level. You're, are there certain people at the highest level and they've came out and they're targeting fucking big names like Donald Trump? I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about people like you. I'm talking about people like Lane Norton and me. What I think for me is because I'm probably already on a list at Instagram because it's already happened to me that it weighs more on me than it was for some time. Sure, yeah, because you've already been shadow banned. So you are just like with tax. Just like what happened to me at Disney Land, my man. Just like what happens with tax evasion, right? So there's the people cheat on their taxes all the time. But once you've been nailed, right? Or if you, you know, you're doing a lot of gray area stuff. Tracking you. That's right, you get flagged. And so you've been flagged because you've been shadow banned for stuff. And then all it takes is X amount of more people. And then you and I both have very polarizing personalities. You know, you either love us or you hate us. And so because of that and of our size, you have enough people that are like, you know what? I can get 10 of my friends that don't like Sal. We all hate Sal. Let's go do this. And so, but- I'll bear them. 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Okay, so I live in Central Texas and I'm wondering how I might best change my lifting programming just a little bit this summer to get through some of the extreme heat and humidity. To give a little background, I started, I got back into lifting about 18 months ago or a little bit less. I worked out primarily from home, but as I've gotten a little bit more towards the intermediate level of lifts, I joined a gym. It's kind of an old school bodybuilding gym. It has an indoor air conditioned area, but it's usually pretty packed and there's a lot of machines in there. I prefer to use barbells and dumbbells and kettlebells when I can. So I use the outdoor functional space most of the time and that's great for nine months out of the year. But these summer months, it's already starting to get very hot out there. And I'm just wondering, I feel myself a lot of days getting really weak pretty early on in my lifts. So I'm wondering what I might be able to do to still maintain a good strength protocol while being safe. Okay, well, I noticed in your notes that you said you're supplementing with element while you're doing your workouts. Is that correct? And then cordyceps. Yes, the element salts have helped quite a lot and I started taking cordyceps as well at your suggestion and I have noticed a difference there too. I'm trying not to be a wimp about the heat. I mean, I know there's people that work in this heat all day, all summer long. So I know I can withstand it for a couple of days a week but it's really a killer. My work schedule does not allow me to get into the gym anytime other than like 3.30 to five in the afternoon which is the absolute worst time to do it but it's when I have the opportunity. So I gotta go with it. That's what I was gonna ask. I was hoping that you had a way that you could work out earlier in the morning or later at night. Maybe just- I mean, this is a really fun and interesting question. I don't think I've ever had a question just like this. But you have the least heat tolerance outside of all this. You might have some good suggestions. Well, right away, you know what comes to mind for me, but I would probably do. Because you're right. I don't like that at all. This I might run up because obviously there's only, there's gonna be a short period of time. We're talking about a month or two months where it's gonna be like it's just intolerable, right? It's not like the whole year is like this. It's just, you probably are talking about a month or two, right? So I mean, this is actually where I, and I don't know if you have this flexibility to extend the workout to be longer but I would probably do these like really long rest periods. This would, you would find me being like, power lifter Adam at this time. I would be doing the three minute break. Yeah, no, I totally, I would be doing the three minute breaks, running a five by five type of a routine or like an anabolic phase one. Cause what I don't want to be doing is like if phase three of aesthetic or something or maps performance, you know, phase two or three where you're just like, that would just crush me. Your heart's just racing. Yeah, I think that, I mean, that's like, cause you're already doing this stuff on supplements. I mean, I see you drink a gallon of water. So you're drinking the water, you're doing the sodium intake, you're doing the cordyceps. So I think you're doing all the right things that way. Justin already hit the easy one, which is, you know, can we train at a colder time in the day? So if you're stuck in the middle of the heat, then I guess what I would do, my programming would look like these long rest periods, you know, longer than what I normally would do. And it's, you're not going to get, it's not going to hurt your progress by doing that. So that's what I would, that's the first thing that comes to mind. What do you think, Sal? Yeah, I would say, there's a drawback to that too because then you're exposed to the heat a little longer. I think people underestimate the amount of sodium that they would need to tolerate a lot of heat. So you may be, I don't know how many packets of element you're drinking during your workout, but I would do. Yeah, right now I'm one full pack. Yeah, I would try one full pack before your workout. So, you know, maybe a, maybe a half hour to an hour before you work out. Maybe one midway or half. And then one, one while you're working out because you want to get that in your system before you start the, otherwise you start to play kind of catch up. And aside from that, just, you're just going to have to listen to your body while you're trained. So it might mean you don't lift this heavy. It might mean you're not doing as much volume, but that's totally fine. The heat actually adds a little, another element to the adaptation process. And we do tend to acclimate to the workouts as we practice them, but it's nothing to worry about unless you're finding yourself getting dizzy, nauseous, or getting like these massive headaches. But yeah, don't underestimate the sodium. I would go a packet before. I mean, I'll tell you what, like I don't eat processed food. So my sodium intake is normally low. I'm not working out in the heat. You're doing like two or three packets. But I'll do, I'll do a packet before I work out and a packet during. If I was out in the sun, it might even be a little bit more. So I would try a packet before and then a packet during. And then listen to your body and see how you feel and modify the workouts accordingly. But it's not going to take away from your results, if anything, because it's different. It might actually improve some of the results that you get. Yeah, I'm hoping, I actually just recently moved into a carnivore style way of eating just to try to break a really bad sugar addiction that I have. And so I'm hoping the extra sweat will help me get rid of some of those toxins as well. So trying to look at it as a positive situation. It really, it's kind of sucked already a couple of days this year. But I have been leaning towards what Adam said to kind of go with a five by five or less with the longer rest periods because it really does take a lot out of you pretty quick. I have mad respect for like the guys that go to Afghanistan and work out while they're there. It's, that's crazy. So yeah, so this is super helpful. Awesome, thanks so much guys. Well, one more thing real quick before you hang up, Debra. Now that I know you're also going carnivore. Even more reason to do more elements. Yeah, your body's getting rid of sodium like crazy. So unless you have high blood pressure or your doctors advise you to watch your sodium, I would go a packet before, a packet during and throughout the day, probably drink a couple more and then see how you feel. I've been doing, even on non-workout days, I drink usually a pack to a pack and a half. Plus I've been salting my food pretty heavily. So I do try to stay on top of that, the salt for sure. Yeah, but you would be surprised again, you know, just cause you're salting your food and especially cause you work out. Well, especially now she's eliminating carbs too because that changes that, right? So if you eliminate carbs and if you're eating whole foods, you're eating clean then like Sal said, I think you could easily get away with two or three packets every day. I mean, I salt my food too. I don't eat processed food, but I salt the hell out of my food and I have probably, and I'm very low carb right now. Really? So he carries salt in his purse. And I have three, I have three, three to four packets of element a day, usually around three. Just to give you some contact. Okay, awesome. Okay, that's awesome. Thanks so much guys. No problem. God, I would hate to work out in that. I'm such a baby. It's the worst, I was gonna bring up dude. Like when I went to the Midwest and had to deal with the heat and the humidity was really what got me because it was basically like you're walking in this sauna and you're trying to do your regular workouts but it just drains the hell out of you. I actually started to put really cold towels in between sets on my neck and just to try and like get my body temperature down a little bit to then go back and have something but I was always just napped. I love extreme weather workouts. Really cold, really hot. I don't know, it adds an element of like really puts me in the zone when I'm doing it but you cannot. I mean, I tell you right now. It toughens you up. And it just, it's different. Like when it's really hot, I'll get better pumps. Obviously the sweat feels good. When it's really cold, I just feel like I'm more aggro into the workout but the sodium thing is a big one, man. It's huge. And it's different from person to person. So of course if you're advised to reduce your sodium then you don't wanna do this but it makes a huge difference with people. I had runners that I would train that would only lift weights with me or train with me once a week but they train so often with running and I would have them add Himalayan salt to their water and they noticed tremendous improvement in there. We've been just sold for so long that sodium's so bad that it feels bad to add more. But again, if you're healthy and you're not eating a lot of processed food go ahead and experiment and see how you feel with more of it. Our next caller is Ryan from Alberta, Canada. Hey, what's up Ryan? Welcome to help you. Hey guys, how's it going today? Good. All right, so back in late December I started listening to the podcast, got hooked right away and bought the New Year's bundle. I've run anabolic and currently I'm about three quarters of the way through performance. Obviously I was gonna go into aesthetic next but realized that this runs into the time of year where I'm gonna begin to spend a lot of time away from home. So June through August I'll be gone about 50% of the time camping with my family and then not September through November I'll do a lot of time hunting with friends. So June through August I'll do a lot of hiking with the kids, break resistance bands with me I'll do trigger work. And when I'm gone hunting September through November usually hike about 10 to 20 miles a day. I won't do any extra work during that time as we're usually up before sunrise, leave before sunrise and then get back after sunset. So my question is, should I run aesthetic anyways and just make my way through the program a little slower or should I run something else? I had thought about rerunning through the phases of anabolic and performance that align with my goals which is primarily strength and aesthetics but I was curious to hear your opinions. Also in the next little bit here I'm gonna add a few days a week one to two of trail running and hill climb in order to prep for hunting season. Okay, that's a good question. You're gonna be doing a lot of stuff when you're gone, you're gonna be very active. Now I would say you can do aesthetic when you're home and when you're not home you do some body weight exercises and maps anywhere's got some really good workouts in there so we can send that to you if you don't have it but here's another thing I wanna add. Don't overdo it, especially when you're doing so much activity, I know in our heads we can think, okay, I need to get in my weights as well but it's very easy when you're doing that much activity to add resistance training and then it'd be too much and then what ends up happening is you not only do you get zero results from it or zero benefit, you actually kind of start to go backwards a little bit. So I would definitely listen to your body if you feel like you've got the strength and energy and it feels good to do some resistance training if you're not near equipment maps anywhere's got the best they're the best workouts you'll find anywhere that don't require any equipment except for resistance bands. This is a fun question because I don't think there's a right or a wrong answer here. I do agree with Sal that I caution you not to overdo it. I'll have another, I'll give you another option that you could do is not run aesthetic at all and actually run a map suspension. And with map suspension, you can take that on the go with you. So you can run it while you're at home which is a fun program, it's different and all you need is a suspension trainer. You can strap that around a tree when you're on the road or somewhere else and follow that program. And then when you get back from your stent where you're gone hunting and stuff and you're back then you can resume the bundle and go back to maps aesthetic. So that's also an option. So there's a lot of things that you can do here and then also keep in mind, I know recently on the podcast we shared that study that I think Lane Norton posted about about a month ago where it talked about three weeks on and one weeks off and they compared those to the two groups of people that train every single day for like three months consistently and then the other group that took a week off every third week and the results were the same. So, and you're gonna be an, you're being active while you're out so it's not like you're sedentary and eating garbage food and stuff like that. So I also wouldn't worry about sometimes having a week off of training and just focusing on what you probably love to do which is hunting and hill climbing and doing those things. So I think it would still benefit you. Psychologically it gets in our head sometimes when our goal is to get shredded or look a certain way and you're not training for a whole week but ultimately in the long term it'll probably benefit your body sometimes to take it off. Yeah, and I think too like it's healthy to call audible. So if you know that you've been hitting certain parts of your body quite a bit like obviously it's gonna look totally different. Your structuring of activity and movement is gonna look completely different than what you've been doing. So to sort of just know to weave in like you say you haven't been expressing your upper body like you have been before like I would try to incorporate that somehow with body weight training like Adam's saying like with a suspension trainer or doing some kind of maps anywhere type programming but you're gonna be able to bounce back once you get to the weights again. So it's not like this dire need to make sure like everything's dialed in. It's okay to step out but still try to express those movements and keep those muscles stimulated. Yeah, I think that kind of thought was is that is it even worth running aesthetic right away is if I'm gonna be doing so many things that almost seem counterintuitive to me or counterintuitive to me? Right. As opposed to say like doing that bodybuilding training I'm gonna be doing a lot more cardio style stuff and it's not just gonna run against kind of what that programming should look like on aesthetic. Yeah, good. And you know what? Because we brought up two programs I don't think you own. We'll just send them both to you. So you'll get suspension and- Oh wow. Yeah. And look, if you hunt successful and you wanna send us some elk meat or something. We'd be open to that. Elk jerky. That's the goal of this year boys is in the mountains for elk but it's like 10% success rate up here. So that's fantastic. Thank you so much for that. We're pulling for you. Good luck man. Justin's got a great elk call. I do. Do it. Woo! I'm great. Put it in the spot dude. All the best. Take an easy ride. That's not how we do it, Justin. We put you out in the forest and have you walk around naked and the elk are like oh. That's more like it. That's another elk. That's more like it. Now it's coming back. You know what? When I hear people say that, I mean he's gonna go hunting like for two months or something like that. Savage. Part of me is jealous. Like how cool would that be? That'd be so awesome. Just go out and just be by yourself or what's your- Nature boy. But yeah, just do something like that sounds so awesome. Yeah, people, I get it too. I get that whole feeling of oh crap, I'm gonna stop working out. What am I gonna do? But boy, muscle memory is such a big deal. It is, it is. Thankfully. It comes back super fast. And like I said, especially when you're, he's going to go do something that's physically active and demanding. So he's only gonna probably lean out, right? He's on the move all day long and stuff like that. So when you're thinking, if your goal is aesthetics and you wanna look good, maybe not even working out for a week or two at a time, but just doing all that activity and making good food choices, he's gonna look good. And then the minute he gets right back to the gym when he gets back, he's gonna, his body's gonna respond and or you have your suspension trainer out there with you and so maybe you have a slower week of activity and so maybe you pull it out, wrap it around the tree, work out for 30 minutes or like that two or three times a week and you're gonna sustain quite a bit. And you know, I've seen arguments, I've actually seen arguments and they're pretty compelling that you might actually make better gains if you take a month off every year. For someone who's super, super consistent. I've seen that argument. There was the pro bodybuilder, Kevin LeVrone. He used to actually do that. He would take a lot of time off, lose lots of muscle and then he'd like gain into the pre-contest and of course he's one of the best bodybuilders. Especially if you do it with intention, right? Like it's not like you go off and you eat like an asshole for a month and you're not active, but if you're physically active and you're like, okay, this month I'm gonna go. Yeah, and I'm still eating like that. Body would probably respond very well to that and would do them well, you know. Our next caller is Allie from Maryland. Hi Allie, how can we help you? Hi guys, I really appreciate your time today. Sal, I'm just getting into your book but I use your info from the podcast when I talk into my nutrition clients when they ask about cardio for fat loss. So thanks for that insight, I appreciate it. I actually wrote it and she keeps taking credit for it. Yeah, always. My question is, as a female body power lifter, what are some of the correctional exercises that I could use to better engage my lat muscles and not overuse traps or lower back? So a little history, I wear a belt. I practice with Boris deadlifts, rack pulls and stiff leg deadlifts. My accessories are typically rows and shoulder presses but I have issues feeling the connection to my lats on conventional deadlifts. So that's my question and thanks for your help with this one. Okay, what's a Boris deadlift? You gotta school me here. So Boris deadlift is a deadlift to the knees and then you, so you lift to the knees and then you go back down to the floor. Got it, got it. Boris style. Yeah, obviously. Yeah, that's new to me, I didn't know that. I've never heard of it before. Yeah, I've never heard termed that, okay. You know, something with power lifters that you sometimes see, not as common today but you used to see this all the time is they don't do any direct lat work like pull downs because pull downs are considered a bodybuilding exercise. So if you're not doing any pull downs, whether it's a supinated grip or even wide grip, I suggest adding those into your routine so you can do some direct lat work. Now, as far as maybe priming, prone cobra is a great exercise to activate the lats if you do it properly. When you do the prone cobra, you have to think about the action of the lats which is to bring the humerus back and then also bring the, not only are you squeezing the shoulders back but you're also squeezing them down so you're avoiding that shrugging position. It's a good priming movement because that's exactly what you wanna do before you deadlift if you wanna feel the lats you wanna be able to pull them down and back to activate them to give you that, you know, that stability. Now, do you have this problem, Ali, too, even with the cue? Have you heard the cue bend the bar before you lift? Yeah. Yes. Yeah, so I typically try, like when I pull on the bar before I lift, I try to focus on that pinching, like I try to cue that pencil between the lats feeling so like pinch the lats together but then like on the lift itself, like I just missed that connecting my braids. Are you depressing the shoulder blades down as well? So after you go ahead and like retract your shoulders, are you also then, you know, packing your shoulder blades down and turning like your hands out? Yeah, that's a good question, Justin's asking because it sounds, especially if you're feeling it a lot in your traps and your rhomboids, what you might be doing is you might be kind of shrugging up when you pinch the, if you're trying to pinch the pencil, you might be actually kind of squeezing the shoulder blades back versus more like tucking your, like I think about putting my elbows in my back pocket. Another thing that will help, so Sal talked about the- Prone cobra. No, prone cobra. I also would, I would take someone like this and actually do a dumbbell pullover right before they go into a deadlift. So I would do a pullover with you to get you to really feel and activate the lats and you know, I'd probably do five to eight reps of it with a moderately heavy weight, not too heavy to where I don't want to fatigue you, but I just want you to really feel those lats and then I would go right into the conventional deadlift. Yeah, I'm gonna add something to that. Instead of a pullover, do a straight arm pull down with a rope. Because you gotta get the squeeze. Okay, the reason why I challenge that is because if she has a hard time engaging lats, the gravity is working to her favor in the pullover. It's just, the activation will be in the stretch. I know, but the straight arm pull down, I know you liked that one, we've debated this before. It's one of those exercises that people tend to have sometimes a hard time engaging the lats. They do tricep work and they push down on shoulders, the shoulders and triceps because they have a hard time engaging them. Now, if you understand how to engage the lats, I feel like it's in the deadlift. Well, and that's the point. The point is in the deadlift, think of where the lats are engaged. It's not in the stretch position. It's in that shortened position where she'll need to connect to you. You're right, but the stretch position is cues it mentally is why. So it forces you to cue it because you're in the stretch position. It's that rotation too of the pinky and the thumbs turning up. And so if you're doing that within your pro and cobra, that's really what you're emulating on the bar. The bar just obviously doesn't move, but you have to kind of think in those terms of rotation and then depression to get those shoulders. And by the way, no, we're arguing here, but none of these are wrong, Ali. I mean, all these things we're throwing at you. Some are just more right than others. No, you know, all joking aside, here's the deal. The lats do nothing to the scapula. They don't bring the shoulder blades back. That's right, that's right. That's why I think she's pinching the pencil with her trap. That's not the lats, right? The lats are these big wide muscles that attach at the humerus, right? The upper arm, and then they attach, kind of near the spine and down the back. And what they do is they bring the humerus to the closer to the body. So you can pinch your shoulder blades back all you want. That's not activating the lats. What activates the lats is getting those arms back and squeezing them down and back. You got to do that down and back motion. So if you do the straight arm pull down, like I was suggesting, when you get to the bottom, you got to go real light. When you get to the bottom, pull the shoulders down and back. Down and back is where you're going to start to activate the lats and squeeze them. And that's also what the deadlifts is going to look like. And where I'm going to try to a bit wider grip as well. Like a snatch grip deadlifts. Like a snatch grip. I have not now. Oh, there you go. That's a great call, Justin. Yeah, just see what that feels like because I know just like bringing my grip a little bit wider, it helps to kind of force me in that position too. And then if you add again, like we've been talking about like, you know, getting those shoulder blades to retract but depress or bring them down in that wider position, you might have a little better chance of activation. But what Sal was saying is definitely correct. You're in the, cause you already said it, like you're trying to pinch the pencil, you're doing a row. You know, so you're pinching with your traps. You're pinching with your traps and your rhomboids. You're not actually pinching with your lats. And so that cue is actually probably not helping you to think that way. And what Sal is trying to get you to do with the straight arm pull down, is it gets you to think of your lats activating. The only thing I'm gonna challenge him on is that in my experience, when I try and teach someone a straight arm pull down, it's a little more technical exercise because they have to engage the lats to do it. And if you just go through the movements, you might not feel it. And that's why I like the dumbbell pullover because in that stretch position, you are not gonna do a dumbbell pull over your head and not feel your lats. You will be forced to because gravity is pulling against you in the stretch position and that's what I would wanna cue. And so maybe you combine them, right? So maybe you do the dumbbell pullover so you can feel those lats the way you're supposed to. And then you think about that when you go to the exercise Sal is saying to really engage them even more and then go to your deadlift. Do you have maps primed by the way, Allie? I do have maps primed. I have like all of your programs except Prime Pro. That's the only one I don't have yet. Try the prone cobra and really pay attention to the form and the technique. There's no resistance on it but your own body weight and it might help you start to connect a little bit to the lats. Here's the beauty of this. Once you start to connect, it gets way easier. It's that initial connection part that can be real difficult. I really like what Justin said too with the snatch grip deadlifts, especially if you don't do them. I think it's a great movement for someone that's a powerlifter too just to add into your routine. So, and it's really tough to do a snatch grip and not feel your lats. It kind of forces you in that position. If you stay in a rigid spine while you're in a snatch grip, I mean, those lats are gonna fire for sure. Okay, great. Thank you. I appreciate that. Thanks, Allie. All right. It's been a while since we had that argument. Yeah. It's fun. You remember we had that one a long time ago? That was a long time ago. You know where I got that from? No, you're not wrong. You're right. You are right. Just in my experience, straight arm pull downs were a little bit harder to do. There is a challenge there. Do you agree? Yeah, I agree with me. I tell you, never fucking take a side. Do you agree? Well, the thing, because it's both right. Yeah, it's stupid because it's hard to get people to not to get past the triceps when you are going, you know, your straight arm pull downs. So, if you can get past that part of it and that portion, you can really direct them to, you know, feel a connection there with the shoulder blades depressing, then you'll feel your lats. The triceps stabilize. They stabilize in both exercises, but here's what I got that from. I got that from a physical therapist that worked with me and she showed me that. Well, mechanically speaking, you are correct. I'll concede that. Mechanically speaking, you're correct. I'm talking behaviorally. And what I've seen in my past, when I tell somebody who doesn't know how to fire the lats to go into a movement and fire the lats, here's straight arm pull down, because it's the best thing to fire the lats. I see the forward shoulder and the arms going forward and the pushing down of the shoulders and the triceps to do that movement. Whereas, if I put a person, and I could take an advanced age, never lift weights before, put you in the stretch position, just hold the dumbbell, can you feel those lats? They'll force them to fire. I'm on team prone Cobra, okay? I'm all for that. I mean, no matter what though, if you're this person, you really should experiment with almost everything we're saying and you do what works best for you to get them fired. Our next caller is Brian from Texas. What's going on Brian? How can we help you? Hey, how y'all doing? Good. So, I'm kind of long and thin. I've never had a lot of success building muscle. A product of a lot of the things y'all talk about, a lot of bad information and bad form and just an attitude to do more, it'll get better and stay in the gym till I'm sore and beat up every day. But down the road, I've let myself build a crap in my 30s and 40s and a little over a year ago, finally got it together, lost about 50 pounds and got to a point where I wanted to build some muscle and kind of went back to those same problems I was having before. Just wasn't having a lot of success and I found your podcast at just the right time. You've helped me answer part of that equation which was stop swimming six miles a week was the first step. But once I bought one of your fitness bundles and got into the max prime section, I realized I got a lot of muscle imbalances as well and mobility issues. So before I moved into a more advanced course, I really kind of started myself out just doing pre-primers, fortification and post-primers three days a week with mobility sessions on the performance section in between. So seven days a week, just mobility. And my question is, is this the right approach to focus solely on these mobility issues or should I be incorporating one of the foundational programs in there to help me reach my goal of building muscle and addressing these mobility issues? First of all, that's really smart. Yeah, I was just gonna say there's a misconception that mobility and correctional work doesn't make you stronger. The reason why you get better at mobility work and correctional work as you practice it is precisely because you're building strength. You're just building strength in targeted ways to improve the way that you move. Now if you were my client, this is exactly what I would do. When I took a client and I identified lots of mobility and movement issues, that's all we focused on for a little while, because that's the fastest way to improve and it's the fastest way to get to the point where you can start to focus on heavier weight and compound lifts and that kind of stuff. So you're doing exactly what you should be doing. You're strengthening the support system. You're providing more stability amongst the joints, which then you can even load more as you get back into weight training. So I think it's just a misconception. People think they're regressing tremendously by just focusing on it when in fact, it's a little bit longer approach, but you're actually gonna be accelerating your results this way. I'm actually really impressed by this, considering that you admit you're doing everything so wrong in the past and before and I think you and you've obviously, not only have you bought the programming so that you obviously listened to all the videos and read the content, which sometimes people just buy it and then don't go through all that stuff. It's because where you went and where you started is exactly where I think all of us would, that's why we wrote it. We wrote it with those intentions for someone just like you. Now, of course, eventually you'll want to start to move into some foundational stuff and the way that would look is I would start you one day a week of anabolic. So I would keep doing everything you're doing and then trade out maybe one of those days or if I could add a day of a foundational day for maps anabolic and see how you feel. See if you feel good when you squat. See if you feel good when you're doing these movements and then start to build upon that. But what you're doing, you're laying the perfect foundation and to Sal's point, you are building muscle. You're just building very specific muscle to work on all those imbalances. Awesome. And I've seen those results already just from going through the mobility. I've seen the strength games and I feel more stable in a lot of the lifts. So yeah, that's what I'm seeing. And that's why I love you all's information. It's so easy to buy in because you listen to what you say and then you see the results on the other end. Yeah, no, stay the course. You're doing the right thing. Stay the course and you'll get there. And you actually get your goals faster. Are you actually, Brian, are you inside our private forum? I'm sorry, what do you mean by get? We have a Facebook private forum. I'm assuming you're not in it. No, I'm not. Okay, so I'm gonna have Doug give you- Well, now you are! That's right. I'm gonna have Doug give you access to it. I wanted to do that. So I don't know if you use Facebook or not. Hopefully you do. If you don't, hopefully you use it for this. But I would love to hear your progress. In there, there's a community of people just like yourself plus us. And then we have a lot of PTs, nutritionists, a lot of really intelligent, brilliant people in there. It's a great community where people are sharing their progress. And that way, if you have questions along your journey or you want us to look at your forum when you do an exercise, you can shoot it up there on that page and you'll get a response from one of us pretty quick, if not from another professional that's in there. So I think it's a great value add to what you already have going for you. So join that group. I'd love to see you in there. There you go. We'll do. We'll do, I appreciate it. No problem. Yeah, that's a tough situation because people think mobility means, oh no, I'm not gonna get there fast enough or I'm not gonna, the truth is you'll get there faster by focusing on those things first. Because when we train clients, would you, I mean, if you had a client that you need to work on mobility or correctional exercise, you wouldn't do that and bodybuilding or that and powerlifting. Right, right. It would be just that. It's kind of productive. Well, especially when he, I mean, he says, he failed all three compass tests. So he knows he's got a lot of work. I mean, and he, I love hearing someone because this is an area where I think I think a lot of people miss. They buy our prime program and they kind of like just go over it real quick. They don't really go into it. Or they'll do like one session and be like, okay, I get those. And then they'll just jump right back to training. Yeah, so what he's doing is perfect, man. And he said it himself. He's seeing the difference. I mean, he knows he's built, he's getting stronger, he's getting more stable. I mean, that's the, and honestly, I would just continue down that path. And then I'd probably start to flirt with one day a week of anabolic just to see how I perform. Like, does the squad feel good? Do I look like I'm moving well? Like, and then if that continues to progress and I'd slowly start to add days from anabolic in there. Our next caller is Peggy from California. Hi, Peggy. How can we help you? Hi, guys. I just want to say thanks for all your podcasts. And I've really learned a lot from them. I'm sure you're tired of hearing that, but... Oh, that never gets tired. That never gets old, Peggy. So you've touched four, but my question has to do with golfer's elbows. And I can give you a little history if you want. Go for it, let's hear it. Okay. So I've been lifting since I was in my late 2063 now, but I never did progressive overload and I never had a problem with those. So I just got off a four day split, six month coaching program online. And then I found you guys at the end and I decided to do anabolic because my elbows were really hurting and I should have probably cut back before I did. So I'm on anabolic. I'm in phase one, week three. And my question is, should I be doing the biocurls? I can't do the barbell, but I can do the dumbbell curls, but I'm doing a slow like 10 pounds rep and then squeezing the bicep at the top. Should I continue that or should I stop those until my elbows heal a little bit more? Yeah, so two things you can do with that. One, you're definitely gonna have to give them time to heal. So I would say avoid exercises that tend to bother it and then number two, and this is just personal experience, really good deep tissue massage, really made a huge difference for me in this area. And when I say deep tissue, I mean your forearms are on a massage table and the therapist is getting in there pretty deep and then you're icing them afterwards. This made a huge difference for me, but you're gonna have to lay off a little bit on the exercises that are causing the issue to allow it to heal and then slowly work your way back in because all the tight gripping, the heavy deadlifting, the heavy pulling, if the inflammation's there, it's not gonna go away until you back off a little bit. Well, especially with deadlifting, it bothers this big time. So I just came off of dealing with this. Absolutely Peggy, we need to get you Prime Pro. This is why this program was written. So Doug, we'll send that over to you. I actually have that, I'm doing it. Okay, so put a lot of energy and focus on the wrist and shoulder mobility. So wrist and shoulder mobility, do that for sure before you get into your workout. You can also, I would actually change out the bicep curls for Zotmin curls. So Zotmin curls, if you go to Zotmin curls, Z-O-T-T-M-A-N, if you go to our YouTube channel and just put in the search bar, put in Mind Pump Zotmin curls, I believe Sal teaches those in there. Yeah, you teach them, right? Go in there, watch how we do them. Replace the bicep curls with Zotmin curls in there. That'll help. Go real light. Yeah, real light. This is correctional. You're not doing it to work out your biceps. You gotta go really, really light because any type of intensity on this area is just gonna make it worse. But if you do a good job on the, and this is when you know you're doing Prime Pro correctly too, but the intent of it's very important, right? If you just kind of go through the movements and you don't challenge the end range of motion, you won't feel it. But if you do a good job, you actually should feel instant relief in that area. And if you have one side that's worse than the other, you should see there's discrepancy in the wrist mobility on that side and or the shoulder mobility on that side. And you just wanna work on that. And that's something that you can do all day through the day. So right now I find myself because this is something I was just recently battling, getting down on all fours and doing the wrist movements that we have in there. And it does, it instantly gives me relief. Now, if you also have the luxury of being able to have a massage therapist, I would recommend that too, but you can definitely do a lot of work here just with your mobility stuff. Yeah, well, definitely highlight the fact that we gotta let them heal a bit. And that's something that, like I think in terms of getting a deep tissue massage, it's great, but in terms of working out, like letting off a bit, but taking this as an opportunity for when the inflammation does start to subside, that you really implement a lot of those like prime pro type movements for wrists and shoulders. So that way you can prime yourself properly before going back into the workouts. So this prop, we can sort of correct the patterns that you had beforehand that was actually causing this issue to occur. One more thing too, if you want to try a natural anti-inflammatory, this doesn't solve the problem, but it might help get you to the point where you feel better a little faster. You can try supplementing with bromelain, just make sure you take it on an empty stomach. So two or three times a day, you could take some bromelain pills or capsules on an empty stomach, so not with food, otherwise it acts totally different. And you should notice a significant improvement in the inflammation, but let it heal completely before you go back and start pushing the exercises. Don't wait until it feels a little better and then go work out because otherwise it's just gonna, you're gonna stay in the same place. You're gonna be fighting it the whole time. So the deadlifts actually aggravate it because this is my first time doing deadlifts in the last six months and I really like them. Oh, I mean. So do I need to? Anything that involves needing a strong grip or that involves pulling will aggravate it. So just go real light, practice the technique in the form. Yeah, and the guys may disagree with me here. So again, I've been dealing with this right now. So what I did was this is where while I'm working on this for it to heal, I've been using wrist wraps when I do my deadlift. So, and the thing you gotta be careful of is that's a band aid temporary. I know that it's not like, you don't wanna just forever now deadlift with wrist wraps. You wanna address the issue, but if I'm trying to get ease back into my deadlifting, I'm still working on the golfer's elbow. And so this just, I just did this yesterday when I deadlifted, I just used my wrist wraps to help so I don't put as much stress on the golfer's elbow. So that's not a permanent fix. That's a temporary fix while you work on this. So try that too. Okay, thanks a lot guys. No problem. Yeah, those wrist wraps, man. I mean, that's, I'm dealing with this right now. No, I mean, it's like, if you wanna continue doing the movement, but you wanna also lay off of the muscles of the forearm, I mean. I mean, it's a similar, you know, thought process with like physiotape, like where you're trying to sort of isolate the problematic type of movement or the muscles that respond to that and calm them down while still being able to do some of the movements. So there's value in that in terms of like staying active and being able to do movements, but still you gotta bring the intensity down quite a bit. I'll tell you though, years ago, this was an issue and it was a challenge and I would get better and I get worse. And I had one, one and a half hour session with a massage therapist and all she did was work on my forearms and it was gnarly, but I swear to God, one session gone, it was gone, completely gone within a couple of days. So it can make a pretty big impact depending. No, it makes a huge impact to get a nice massage like that. This is a common area when I was bodybuilding that Katrina would have to work on all the time. And it just be, but the main reason why she had to continue to work on it was because I didn't address the root cause, which is the wrist mobility stuff. So I mean, even now you'll catch, I mean, right after she started, you saw me doing this like, if you take it and hopefully she's on the YouTube channel so she can watch this where I'll just take in the contracted position, right? Contract my bicep in the fully contracted position. And then I'm going to rotate my wrist as hard as I can on both directions. At the end range of motion, I'm trying to challenge turning it all in. You can do this all day long, you know? So and try and do that. It's like a pageant wave. Yeah. Yeah. Hello. But Jackie Kennedy. But the key to this, you know, when we teach mobility stuff that I think where people go wrong is they just, they do this, right? Go through and they stop at the end range where the, where the relief will happen is taking to the end range and challenging, trying to continue to rotate it and intensifying that. Yeah. There you go. Look, if you like our information, you got to head over to mindpumpfree.com. We have a lot of free stuff that we provide people. I mean, literally tons and tons of guides that can help you with almost everything and they cost nothing. It's something we give away to our fans. Again, mindpumpfree.com. You can also find all of us on Instagram. So you can find Justin at Mindpump Justin, me at Mindpump Salon, Adam at Mindpump Adam. Are there some generic parameters as far as what you would tell them to, you know, stay your saturated fat under this or that it should be only this person? It really doesn't even matter. So here's the other thing. If you're in a calorie deficit and you're losing weight, everything else makes no difference. Like all your cardiovascular risk factors that we can measure go down. Like they've done studies where people are in a