 Thank you for staying with us. You're still watching the breakfast on plus TV Africa and right now We're really looking at what the national dailies are saying this morning joining us to review the papers is Chris Can they wonder he's a member of the Chatted Institute of Advertisers in the UK and he's joining us here from Lagos States. Good morning. Mr. Chris. Thank you for joining us I am here to support the supervisors in their campaign for us Oh, that's amazing. That's good. That's good. At least you're there to ring them on which is great We should be important life on them Yes, as a journalist let me quickly give you a small update Abidjan, which is for the station The Nigerian one yes, I'm calling for the next one of the competition But the big issue here now is the loss by Codilpa 402 I put it back in yesterday and that in itself has brought so much discomfort to the people of Ivory Coast, Kodepua, everywhere you go, so much discomfort that most people believe that if this thing was not qualified for the next round, then there's going to be a lot of apartheid within the competition, and so we're waiting to see whether they will qualify as one of the best producers. Then, totally, it's a big loss also to Giant, four times champion, Ghana, and then the report we're getting from here, which is that after the loss yesterday, which Ghana crashed out, the players were attacked, their vehicles were attacked by parents, I believe, the Ghanaian supporters, and that's the report now, but it's not looking good. It's a game, everybody should just take it as a game. We're going to put some bets, the good news is that Nigeria has qualified and hope that we'll continue to improve on our last match yesterday and go into the second round, so I think I'll go into the papers. Alright, fantastic. Well, it's good that Nigeria is winning. We're always going to be chairing the Super Eagles wherever they go. But yes, let's bring it back to Nigeria, so we're going to be looking at what the paper is saying today, and the first one is the Guardian. The major headline here says six years after electrification project, Vasity's hospitals in darkness as federal government's 105 million dollar power project flops. What do you think about that? Yes, you know we've been talking about issue of electricity and the issues surrounding it, not just the hospitals as the university's hospitals, but across Nigeria, and I said last week that the greatest problem we're having is that of power, even though I was talking about the issue of SMEs, and I said that SM would do something about our SMEs, the issue of power that we're going to, we're talking about, let me put it to you, let me also say that it's quite, you know how abysmal the Naira is to the dollar, the dollar to the Naira came into addition about three, four days ago. You wouldn't believe that the code of safer is to about two times the strengths over the Naira. The Naira, I believe, is changing for about one thousand three hundred and fifty or there about, yes, there about, but the agricultural safer is just about six hundred and sixty to a dollar to the mass, six hundred and sixty, that is, that shows you how bad the Nigeria economy is, and we continue to call ourselves the giants of Africa. We're back to the issue of power, we want to do something about power that we're going nowhere. We'll be talking about this issue of power for years and years and years. And remember, we did that in the last regime of President Muhammad Obrari, which all the promises he's made, he couldn't add a single kilowatt or megawatt, whichever it is, to our power. We still have it between four thousand to five thousand, and that was what he meant. It was before he left, and this was a president that promised that every year that was going to inject ten thousand megawatt into this that, which means that if you have done that, it's the year period that's been within eighty thousand now, but not just the same thing with the petroleum and refineries, so that we have a big amount of performance of that government. He said that they're going to revive the power of the refineries, they're going to give new ones. Most single ones was, neither was, was any one of them. So that is how we are, but if we continue to do what we are doing and not be able to change course, then we are going to run into a problem. But I believe that if we're able to get the issue of power right, then that in itself, we can start the economy as it's where, and we take it all from there. But if we don't do that, what we are doing is just like bringing to a beautiful man in a dark, but the only one blame is that she doesn't know yet. Okay, well, we have this story here which is just looking like a reverse story, but it's not a reverse story. Crisis looms are sacked, plateau lawmakers resume. I don't know if you've seen that. What do you think about that? Lawmakers that were sacked were resumed. Yeah, but I don't know what that would have the opportunity of them into that stream. I saw your earlier issue in discussion about the covert it on the reverse state. But let me put it in context that there are now two covert it from Federal High Court in Abuja. There are two, not just one. The first one reverse the budget passed by the six-member reverse state House of Assembly. Then the state has, just after, some hours after that, by just J.U. Abumasik, also of the Federal High Court, asking for the status quo to remain. That suit was filed by six headers in reverse state. So what we're having now is a complete judgment. What means that status quo remains that as far as the second judge is concerned, the only recognized members of the state House of Assembly are those six. And the law, I mean law graduates. And the law. What is that having this kind of complete judgment? Because of the issue and the problem. And I don't know where they're going to go. But those six headers are five. There is support of the 36, or six or five law makers, of which the former speaker or artist speaker that we have designed. The law puts a reverse state in the department. And I totally agree with you. Some of your takes on the activities of the reverse state government. Some of the members of the state go that those that by the case at the Federal High Court are not happy with their action and activities of Governor Fubara Acid. You are best. And let us not be took with judgment. Even in the political, we don't know what the man has up his sleeves. Don't forget that he has not gone through his court judgment or case. The man may be taking his time. Once he gets that, then he will not become a man of best. For now, that is what it is. It is also quite unfortunate, because if you look at the judgment of the Supreme Court on the kids involved in the governor of Black Two States, where he said most of the issues raised by the Appalachic Court and the Tribunal as well as on the Court of Appeal were more or less, were more or less three election matters, which was done by the Tribunal as well as the Court of Appeal. That's that they all know how, given they cannot get many gifts. But the problem there is that that issue ends at the Court of Appeal. Every legislative petition, election petition ends at the Court of Appeal, not the Supreme Court. And that is why, so they go in by, yes, they have a right but they cannot. Law is quite clear, irrespective of what everybody say. The law is clear, the decision has been taken. They can only wait. Or maybe go back to the Supreme Court. But what we need to do now, what this tells us, that we need to think out with our Electoral Act or once again, we should not leave election matters, especially at legislative end at the Court of Appeal because it still feels that these judges of the Court of Appeal, just as they were, are not compromising the ethic and it is quite unfortunate. So for the work that we've led to state, that is what it is, that is what it is, and I'm not thinking about it that much. Alright, let's talk about security for a bit. Now, I'm going to take about three stories. Two from the Guardian and one from the Punch. But let's start with the Punch. So the major headline here says kidnapping epidemic. Most abductions in Abuja, others are not reported. And that's said by the victim's family. The writers here says Okota gains notoriety as kidnapping hotspots in Lagos. And why kidnapped cases are underreported, AI private investigators. So we're seeing this epidemic of kidnapping. A lot of people are getting kidnapped in Abuja. And now it's moving over to Lagos. So we don't even know what our security is like here. But let's move back to the Guardian. And it says kidnapping. Teenable Ok's emergency procurement of tracking equipment and constable areas, how not to reform practiced state policing for better security. What's your take on this? Because this is kind of like a holistic view. We're seeing the rise of kidnapping. President Teenable now Ok's emergency procurement for them to be able to track these people, their phones or whatever mobile devices they're using. And then the constable areas are saying, they should practice state policing for better security. I want to hear your thoughts on this. Let's take a punch. That has to do with the kidnapping is underreported. And that is a fact. Yes, basically you are saying that kidnapping is moving to Lagos. Kidnapping is not moving to Lagos. Kidnapping is already in Lagos. And a lot of people are being kidnapped, especially within the Okata, as it's where. A couple of last ways in the Okata area tonight. And some of the other parts of it. That's kidnapping. A lot of kidnapping is going on. Yes. I'm sure you read that. Yes, I read that as well. Yes, the Spookman of the Lagos Police Command Benjamin, the A.K. Mach, who reports yesterday, which is taking me yesterday evening, that yes, in our country, people are alluding that to a statement to come from the police. But that the police is doing something, everything humanly possible. To try to establish that those areas. And it is a kidnapping spree. Especially, you need to go and read the story of the father of the the father of the six girls, ladies, that were abducted in Abuija. And one of the daughters was killed. The eldest one. A statement by one of the ministers that you not pay ransom to kidnappers and daughters and that doesn't make any sense to me. What effort is government making? What effort did they make to be able to rescue those of 99? I will tell you that everyone over 10 have gone unreported. And that's the facts. How many is the media going to report? How many are we going to report? Those are the issues that it's where. Then back to the issue of surveillance gadgets. The question you asked yourself, we forgotten that two months back before the government introduced the need to register our names and also SIM card and the basic NMR reason for that is that they are going to use it to track kidnapping and the rest of what happened to the administration. Put an idea and register. How come that the same registered SIMs are being used by these kidnappers and daughters to ferry Nigerians to have ransom and I don't believe that. I continue to say that what we need to do is to invest more on intel. We don't know that our security is not going to put a book on ground buying a good man buying a a K-47 buy another source of equipment. If you don't have the necessary intelligence to work with then you are as good as now. Because if the intelligence we should be able to try to prepare this for happening rather than reactry. And that has been the problem with the secret agencies. So I should ask the president that he should equip the secret agencies to get involved with intelligence intel as it's to your end up. Because I said it's not my time. The problem we are having is that of trust deficit. But the total trust between the security agencies because a situation where these people live among girls for good next day. They cannot afford to secure the agencies because they believe that when they do those reports will be traced back by the two there. And they put them in the land of Ham. That doesn't happen in advanced countries. It doesn't because in advanced countries you see a very old woman sitting by the window and they are just doing it as if she is speaking her mails. And she will just assume a straight break. And you don't know what she is doing. The message has called the security agencies and within two minutes we see police just coming and asking who are you? Can you identify yourself? But nobody will be able to trace that for back to that very good. That is what we need to do. So we should be able to build trust between these agencies. So that intelligence can bring in clear information willingly. Without necessary this information being traced back to them. Then I have talked about intel. Then a group of years have been equipped by security agencies as well. Yes. In Cassina there is another one in Cassina. Terrorists in military uniform abduct 30 persons in Cassina. Don't go far. You are talking about Cassina. You just read that in one of your lists. How some policemen kidnapped somebody in the river states. And at least that don't last from the person. But it's good news to see who is doing a good job in the river states. If you know that it's not the police commissioner who is the commander of RIRS. Remember in the days of RIRS. Before he moved to Apuja to be the commander of RIRS. He took over from Embattled Apakari as the commander of RIRS. So he has not been posted to the river states. Good job. I think some of the people hired as their workers to give in us and get returned. So I think the president and his Secretary chief as well as the inspector, the general the marching of that would be able to need the kidnapping and for that to be seen. And if they are not going to do their job in Nigeria should be picked to do the job. Okay, so how about your thoughts on state policing? That's the one you didn't touch on? The same policing has always been a police, you know, from time we've always said that, there's different police. We believe that this security architecture as it is presently is not working. If you go to other parts of the world, each local, what we call councils, or local government, we have their own security they do, they do, and that is for efficiency, but and so the interesting part of it is that this current APC government, before it took over from PDP, talked about restructuring, they were all restructuring, and policing is part of restructuring, but even though they took over power in 2015, everybody just kept quiet and said that, so we need to structure not just only our security, but other aspects of our lives. We are talking about the issue of security, we are talking about the issue of distribution of wealth, we are talking about states taking charge of various minerals within their compounds to be able to take care of that and pay something, but this federation that we are talking about is too big and too light, everything is poor, that is not how you work. So we bet, good or not, there is some level of liberalisation is that some local policing, that is why you see something like a moteco within the statuettes, and they are doing very well. The statuettes, I don't know how they went, because the governors went to sleep and decided not to do what they ought to do, but I totally agree with you that state policing, necessary, our police force actually presently as it is, cannot be too much. We don't have barely less than 500,000 policemen, marshalling and securing over 200 million net worth. What we are having now is total adoration from what the constitution, but the confine of the constitution has amended. The primary responsibility to internal security lies with police, not the Navy, not the Navy, not the Air Force, they are all primary responsiveness, they are given to them by the 1999 constitution, as amended, is against external adoration. So bringing the, I mean, the Air Force are into the internal security, that is an aberration, that is just because the police have not been able to effectively do that to us. What is the problem? Are we supposed to recruit more? Are we supposed to get more equipment there? But you also asked yourself, what is the recruitment or the environment that we use in recruiting our police? Most of us have come to realise that even most of those that are recruited are criminals. Most of them, some of them, I don't know what you are talking about, some of them are criminals. So if you now, if you now get this, that also becomes a big challenge for us. So if we need to have a realistic look at our security architectures, perhaps the fact remains that this government should not take his eye off the ball. They may be trying in some other areas. The issue of security, security is great. Nigeria's have been kidnapped and beaten in their troops. You cannot move out after a certain period. Now the problem is nicer. They are coming to houses, especially like what is happening in Abuja. They go to estates, house to house, to give night to people. And if there is a high level of security in Abuja, then you can imagine what is happening in other parts of the country. Because Abuja is the seat of power. And that, in itself, negates to me because you see our president going out seeking for foreign investment, the VPU meant to therefore seek for foreign investment. Who would want to invest in a country where there is a high level of security? It's not possible. Okay. As we wind up, let's just look at this final one. We go to the daily independent. We have a story that maybe we'll live for another day. Federal government to deploy education tax into student loan scheme. Fine. Okay. But we have this story that has been going on for some time. Northern senators protest relocation of CBN fund offices to Lagos. They allege loop-sidedness in allocation of resources in the 2024 budget. Our concern here is we've been talking for a few days now how CBN has said that because of security, because of congestion or decongestion, as the case may be, they need to move some of the offices and staff to Lagos, the same Lagos that we are talking about over population and all that. And the fund also is also trying to remove its offices. And some people are already complaining. What is your take generally on the movement of some of these departments of some of the parts of the federal government to Lagos? Let me just ask a critical question. Let's why we want to move an NPA? For example, I'm just giving an example. Why we want to move an NPA to a budget? Nigerian post-authority. Is there any port in Abu Dhabi? That's the fundamental question you have to ask yourself. Where do you have the port? Is it worry, Lagos, Potak or Kalaba? There's no single port in Abu Dhabi. So I'm not using that. So if the CBN and fund, for whatever it is, for good reasons believe that this department should be more functional if you are located in Lagos, all well and good. For example, for instance, the traffic, the movement, the traffic, air traffic in Nigeria over 60% comes from Lagos, not Abu Dhabi. Overs close to 60% come from Lagos. So if you have the help, why we want to have the headquarters in Abu Dhabi? So run up Abu Dhabi. You need to go to Abu Dhabi and know how much it will cost in Abu Dhabi, especially within the city. I live in Abu Dhabi for several years. I know how expensive it is. Most of these workers are supported in Abu Dhabi. Some of them are living far away from the city. Coming to work becomes a problem for them. So if they are having accommodation problem, then be it. If there is accommodation in Lagos, why not? It's the same city. In these days of technology, you don't need anybody to sit in one particular place to work. Most works are done online. That is what it's supposed to be. It's only Nigeria that would pay so much effort to come into office every month. There are some people that are making billions and billions of money and they don't step into offices. They stay in the room on their computer. During COVID period, how many people went to work? So I totally agree. The same thing with the city. The city has a very, very big office at Tinupu Speeda. That's where they started. That's where we used to have several headquarters of September. So if the government of September that we need to decentralize some of these departments, let's go to Lagos, where we have accommodation, where we have bigger offices and the rest of them. Oh, well, this shouldn't be political. I saw a statement issued by ACF saying that, no, no, this is not possible. When most of these things were being looked at during the war, what did they say? Did they say anything? It does not work. Let them leave those in charge to be able to run this. All us is for them to be run to be, these offices to be run effectively. These corporations to be run effectively. Whether they're moving them to Kaduna, Kano or wherever. If they think that they'll be more efficient and they have the capacity to do what they are doing, wherever they're moving. Oh, well, and good. Everybody must not be in Nampuja. This is a federation. Everything must not be in Nampuja. I'm not even talking of a level of security. Stay back to security. I'm just waiting to see the statement, what do they call it now? The advisory statement that will come from most of these embassies, the U.S., Canada, U.K. and the rest of them in the next few days with what is happening in Nampuja. And that in itself to me is what the greatest challenge not to this movement of offices. Anybody can move anywhere. It is the right of the head of this power status. They must have done their, had some kind of investigation, done some kind of in-house inquiries and some kind of medicine. And they arrive at one so totally if the piece is okay, we don't need to kill ourselves over there. Whatever else is a concern. Let's leave it for another day, because there are so many things that have come out of this timing and all that is part of it. But we'd like to wish you safety where you are, because the host country losing this game and not going even into the round of 16, there may be problems here and there. We pray that you be safe where you are and you represent our country the way you can. Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you. A vision of a very beautiful city. There's no security. I walk home. Come home. Let us not be jacked back, you know. Come home. Thank you very much, Chris. Thank you. That was Chris Cahindewan, the member of the Chatterd Institute of Abitrators in the UK. He was talking to us from Abidjan, the capital of Ivory Coast. We'll take a break now and return with our first hot topic. Stay with us.