 Vivian made this about Julian's case. We miss her dearly and Vivian was was such a courageous person and she was a she was really a leader and it got me thinking about how important each impactful courageous people are you know whether they're someone high-profile like Julian or Vivian Westwood or just the regular person I have the capacity to lead and to compel and campaigning isn't just about going on a march every few months it's a it's a daily thing you know it's about telling everyone you know finding the right occasion but telling people about what you care about why you care about it simple as that it's not about slogans I think recently there's been a lot of there's been a lot of progress in the campaign I mean it's been building and building and the October hands-around Parliament was absolutely amazing and today again has been extraordinary as far as the eye can see there was this incredible carnival and I was watching the people who were just you know going out about the town on a Saturday evening and they were the response was so positive everyone was filming they were they were trying to find out what it was about they were engaged you know and I think this carnival has had an enormous impact on central London today so yes we were we were thousands marching and many thousands more who saw the message and who and who are now interested in want to find out more so thank you what success this was today and and encourage them to come next time because we need to build and build until until the movement is so big those in power the courts realize there's no there's no where else to go but to free join Jeremy Corbyn was talking about it was a huge success the press club was rampact you know it was and the speakers were fabulous and I think Julian's case is impossible to ignore anymore and it might be the case that for the media this is this is being ignored here in this country but in a way it's because it's bigger than them they don't know how to talk about it because it is bigger than them and then eventually they're you know we have the joint statement by the five by the five publications which is a huge step forward and I think it's there's a complete consensus within the media that Julian should not be extradited and that he should be freed the media should be speaking louder but regardless we he weeks 13 years ago started a revolution in the media and it became bigger than the Guardian bigger than the New York Times bigger than Dershweigel right and that's why partly why Julian was attacked by those very publications in the beginning because we can externalism had surpassed by a long shot what those publications had achieved and how they were doing things and it started a revolution that we can see now there's so much independent media people get their news from many sources not just one and not just the official one and that's a healthy development and that's in large part thanks to Julian Julian also through WikiLeaks privileged the truth over commentary commentary is fine as long as it's based on the truth so there have been many very good events the Belmarsh Tribunal and I've been doing things like speaking to a very interesting organization that's small but very has a very good purpose which is to demilitarize education to stop arms companies from funding research at universities and there's also the environmental groups who have become aware of what WikiLeaks has done to publish to expose how oil companies and so on a lobby countries to to take policies that are detrimental to the environment and to the countries detrimental to each country's individual self-interest out of well for political expediency so there are different movements that are becoming aware of Julian's importance relevance of the WikiLeaks publications and that actually that Julian's imprisonment is an attempt to an attempt to punish the messenger for uncomfortable truths that affect all of us in many different areas of life I think you probably most want to hear how Julian's doing and he's in a difficult situation and he's a very strong person and he's human that means that there are good days and there are bad days good days it's probably an overstatement but sometimes it's easier to cope than others and just this week we were on the phone and he told me that the cell above him had been flooding so it was dripping into his cell and specifically there were several leaks coming onto his bed and I asked him well how are you gonna sleep because they had the prison guards had put some buckets or something on the bed to to collect the the leaks he had three buckets on the bed and they were in they weren't all in one corner they were like in different parts of the bed and I said so how are you gonna sleep and said well maybe if I contort my body and do like an L-shape then maybe I can sleep on the bed and then the next day he said the water had evaporated but had let's let had formed some stalagmites so this kind of cementy water had evaporated and formed these like cement pyramids or something like that in these buckets so that's that's Julian's day-to-day existence that's what he has to deal with apart from fighting this enormous legal battle and that's the reality of a place like Belmarsh he shouldn't be there and I think the reason part of the reason why the movement to free him is has so much force behind it is because it goes to very basic instincts because we're human beings because we can reason we can distinguish justice from injustice and what Julian's going through was being done to Julian is such an enormous injustice that whoever is denying it is denying it because they are part of the problem they're part of the ones who have first or for some reason in some way are taking part in his torture I wanted to end in an upbeat way and that is that I am convinced I'm convinced that we will win this there's no other way I know this is a political case it's a bit embarrassing for them right it's embarrassing because it is a political case and now they have to they've got themselves in a position where it's it's clear that the law has been abused that the UK is keeping the most important political prisoner the most famous and one of the most significant cases of political imprisonment in history it's right here in London they have to find a way out and the louder we shout and the more we grow the quicker Julian will be released so I ask you to keep on campaigning for Julian not just in the protests but day-to-day keeping on your minds think about what you can do and also if you're not on the dough next without a song I'll call email list please sign up read Neil Spencer's book the trials of Julian Assange read Stefania Murray's book the secret power and stay engaged and I'll see you again