 a digital version this year. I want to quickly thank our three main sponsors, Mono Design, Microsoft and Agentschap, Binnenland's Pesture, but without further ado, I want to give the floor to our very own Ton van Aacht. Yes, hi everybody, big, big warm welcome in this closing session of a very exciting month. And first of all, big thanks to Astrid who has really pulled off a great, great, great event. We went fully online instead of the one day event we had in the past. You see the sponsors on this first slide. If you work in a company or organization that would like to have more of these sessions, you know, to reach out to Astrid. I will be moderating this last session and the outgoing chair of Open Belgium and Open Knowledge Belgium. And Miet, who's also in this session, is the incoming chair. So you will see more and more of her in all our upcoming events. And without further ado, I will give a three minute intro on what we've seen and learned during this Open Knowledge Belgium, yeah, and Open Belgium conference that we have the webinars for a fair, free and open future. And just so you know, instead of this one day, we're 24 sessions with 58 speakers. We picked 13 days during the month of March and over 685 attendees have made it into the session and you are all adding up on that. So it's gonna be nice. The most few sessions, 75 attendees was the base API for Open Data, linked data events, streams. So congratulations for everybody who joined that one. For everybody who missed it, you might wanna pick up on that one because we will soon release all those videos of all the recordings during the month of April. Not a joke. And you find them at 2021.OpenBelgium.pe. Now I will share some insights that we learned in several of those sessions. Of course, we can't go over all of them, but there was the real importance of decent metadata. This is something that came up in many of the talks. Also more and more projects are striving for machine readability and especially with the goal and the importance of feeding good AI applications to have the good data with the good metadata to make sure that we have quality input so you don't get the garbage out that you get otherwise. Most speakers also now talk about the linked Open Data rather than just Open Data. So LOD, linked Open Data, it stands for two things. It's level of detail. If you go to the datasets in Geospatial, for example, for a house, how much did you see? But in the context of Open Data, it refers to linked Open Data, a field that is really going further very quickly and something to keep an eye on if you aren't yet familiar with it. Interoperability. I got that right from the first time. So I'm setting the bar here. But Michel, interoperability is a tough word. It takes a few times. We're also to get it right. We hope to see that you can also get that into practice with the government applications. We had some administrations, some public administrations, ABB from Flanders, BOSA from the federal level, who asked our community for real, genuine feedback and ideas. So this is something, first of all, we love to do that. We love to be asked and we love to contribute. It's really, I would say, the DNA of our community that we want to help things make better and help, I would say, all those who struggle to implement all the nice open ideas that we strive to see happening to help them with our skills and our knowledge and experience. No surprise, but open health data. I don't know why. It was a very hot topic during Open Belgium at 2021. And I would like to especially thank the people of Sien Sanu, who I would say who took on the difficult task because we know that all of them as scientists, they adhere to these principles, but at the same time, they have many burning requests going on. And so they find themselves sometimes in a tough spot between what they would like to do and what they're able to do in the short term. So they did take on a great role in the debate and discussions. So that's another session I can really recommend to look at. It was a very, very insightful session I found. A lot is moving in that field of open science especially and the same for open cultural data. So those are definitely things that came up in several sessions. There's no need to trade data privacy for the common good was a quote that Isabelle de Zegger gave and that resonated very well with our community. So there's really ways to get both rights. Social justice and ethics are recurring topics at Open, at Open Belgium, I think in the next few years with AI the ethical part will become bigger and bigger. Personal data governance still a very big discussion point. We see that many both private and public entities are looking at a solid framework of Tim Berners-Lee and researchers in the book who are really going for that one. So if you haven't read up on that one yet, go and check it out. And then there is put the user back in control which was often cited and which I think will resonate very well with Mathieu Michel later on because it's all about the people. That was a quote from Peter Jan Montens. That was definitely a very good one to close this on. And so without that, I want to thank all the speakers, all the contributors, everybody who has reacted in the chat for their hard work and really for their much felt and appreciated help to make Open Belgium 2021 a great success. And with that, I would like to hand over the word to you. We try to put a monocle of Open over your eye. I see that the font has shifted a little bit. We'll get it right next time. But as Belgium State Secretary for Digitalization in charge of administrative simplification, privacy and building control, we really look forward to what you want to say to our community. So without further ado, the floor is yours, the camera is yours. And we look at a 360 view from the monocle picture that you see here. Okay, thank you very much, Théon, for this introduction. And I also would like to congratulate all the participants at this event and also Astrid for this organization. That's really a good job. I'm a little bit frustrated because I'm a person who likes human contact and it's a little bit frustrated even for digitalization to have such an event through our screens. So yeah, but I hope that we will see each other in real life soon. So I want to, it's fun because a lot of topics that you mentioned are in my presentation today. Those are really big concerns for me but also for a big part of the government. That's a reason for why I'm really glad to be with you. I see also, I saw all the participants who took part to this event. I see that there is many people who share their energy in making open knowledge, open data, open source. I want to say open Belgium, such a smart nation. And I've got to say that since six months, I've already met so many interesting people contributing to the digitalization of our country. That's really for me a reason to be optimistic. And every contact, every discussion, every advice that I receive makes me more motivated but also more confident in our capacity to make bigger things, to be better. And this meeting gives me the opportunity to expose a small part, in fact, of my vision to make Belgium a smart nation. But first of all, I have to tell you what's a smart nation for me. I don't know if you have already heard that expression for me, but for me, being a smart nation is above all a state of mind, a way of thinking that nothing is impossible, that we must believe in our dream, in our capacity to reach them. It's also knowing that each fall, each fail is a step towards a coming success. That's really the state of mind that I want for my secretory. A smart nation, it's a territory that's able to mobilise itself for its citizens and its businesses around a common vision towards the future with efficiency and more with excellency. It's also a territory that develops its ambition all over the world. But above all, it's a nation that works together with all the gifted people towards the same ambition, being smarter every day. And that is my job. My job is to build that smart nation, luckily a lot has already been done in that way, and we are already smarter than we think. If you look for example, I'm sure you know it, the Daisy ranking, you will notice that we are at the ninth place on 28 countries among the European country. This is not bad at all, but that's not good enough. And we must be attention that the other countries are winning faster and faster. And this is a race. And if we are not in advance, that means maybe that we are already late. So we must have a lot of ambition for our country and for the digitalisation of our country. You all know Daisy ranking, it's about infrastructure, what I call trust, that is the usage of digitalisation by people, for me to me that's trust, administrations, skills, and ecosystems. And to digitalise our country, those five topics to me are really important. And in 2015, Alexander the Crow, he was in my seat then, developed a digital Belgium that was a plan based on those five topics. And it was a good idea and great things were made. For example, about AI, you mentioned it a few minutes ago. The Daisy ranking, if we analyse our ranking, it's about so infrastructure trust, administration skills, and ecosystems. And each level of governments in Belgium has the tools to act on one of those topics. For example, if we take the skills, the skills, that's not only the education, that's also the digital break. That's also the way we can, we oriented our skills in the companies. That's the way we can help the small company to develop their digitalisation. But that's not always the responsibility of the regions. It's sometimes the federal state, it's sometimes the community. And that's a really important point to me, is that we have to develop a vision about those five topics. But we also have to mobilize, hold the level of governance to act in the same direction, to have a vision who is dealt with many stakeholders and public stakeholders, that's really important. And I'm sure that today, we need that digital plan, digital Belgium, that plan. We need to take this plan further and deeper. And my action will be based and is already based on three axels. I said it just now, we need to share a vision. And the vision is being a smart nation, around those five topics I mentioned. We need a bottom-up governance. So we must to share a vision. It means that we have to target some goals at 10 years, 15 years, 20 years. So we must have a common target. But we must go to that target with, together with all the person, all the energy who want to contribute to that smart nation. And in that purpose, to me, the governance with the manner which is bottom-up is really important. That means that we must see far away, but also with the most people possible. It means that we must implicate every stakeholder and we must listen to everybody to make that possible. And third of all, we must act now. It must then, it must be a vision. It must be made with a bottom-up governance, but we must act now. I don't think we have many time to lose because I said it's a race. And if we are not in advance, that's maybe that we are already too late and that's a problem. So we don't have time to lose. I also want to be honest with you. I'm not an open data expert. As you are, you probably are. You are probably open data expert, open source expert. But I still have some experience with Ubuntu, GIMP or OpenOffice a few years ago. So I'm not an open source expert, but I do politics since more than 20 years. And I know that creativity, perception, trust, responsibility are the keys of many progress from mankind. Technology is not an end. It's a tool to build a better world for everyone, better healthcare, better mobility, better education. The purpose of technology is to make humans feel better. And therefore, I think technology belongs to everyone. It belongs to humanity. And that is a human responsibility to manage technology, innovation, and love in that way. And that is my job. There are two priorities that I want to expose you today in which I want to play a big role. That's, and I said the Daisy ranking it. It was about infrastructure, to earth, administration, ecosystem, skills. I went to it. I can't speak about everything else. But here, with you, I wanted to speak about trust and about administration. Trust is an obsession for me. I'm sure you cannot build innovation without trust, but you cannot build trust without transparency, understandability, visibility, readability, sorry. And you know that better than me. And it's about administration. The government is a major player in digitalization as it builds the context that made everything possible or not. That is a big responsibility. And that responsibility is, I work about it on it, sorry, around the vision, the governance and the action. The vision, the governance and the action. That's three major points for me. About trust, and I'm really concerned that these last days and weeks about that trust in the data and privacy, that's a major concern for me. It essentially goes over our personal data. Who has it? Who use it? For what reason? With which data governance? A lot of questions, but to me, there is only one answer. And I've just read it. Personal data belongs to people as long as they are not anonymous. Of course, you can decide to share your personal data, but it must remain your own decision. It also goes over personal data. It also goes over the algorithms, how they act on which purpose, on which ethical base, how they match the data with each other. We must develop with the ability in the way algorithms are built. We must also develop regulation to reinforce the user in a context of globalization. And to me, in that way, Europe is a good scale to build the fundamental base of digitalization. There are a lot of work in progress, like the Digital Services Act, the Data Governance Act, the Digital Market Act. All those regulations will be the opportunity for us to build the fundamental base of the way we identify the digitalization for tomorrow. Digitalization for tomorrow. So the trust to me is really, really something important in the digitalization of our country to make Belgium a smart nation. It's also about administration. That's the responsibility of the administration or the responsibility of the government to build a positive context for digitalization. And the administration must be the friend of the people. It seems a little bit naive, but it must be a certainty for everyone. The job of the state is to make life easier, smoother for the citizens, but also for the companies. That's the essence of administration is to help people. That's really important. It means that we have to focus on the actions that simplify their lives, but also actions that give them the tools to develop their own creativity, their ideas, their projects, tools like e-box, e-invoicing, like an e-ID, but also like the access of the data, the open data, the linked open data is to give you the fuel that can creativity do his job. You must know it in the recovery plan, for example, more than 450 million euro are oriented to digitalization in the administration. As an example, one of my main projects is this plan named unleashing data. The objective is to offer maximum open data to the ecosystems to feed the citizens is to offer maximum open data to the ecosystems to feed their creativity. That was a concern exposed by open knowledge a few months ago, and there we speak about mobility. We speak about health. We speak about whether all those data who can be used to develop some creativity, some ideas. And then it speaks for itself, but before unleashing data, we need to build a reinforced twist. And that is what I will do step-by-step twist. And then if twist is strong, then we can unleash data easily. There is a lot to be done in the coming years. That's for sure. And we are not in advance, but I want to say that to everybody that I will assume my job in guaranteeing that innovation, ethics, and laws are deeply connected together. The society itself must also embrace the debate. Digitalization must not be a debate for some experts. Digitalization will build the world of tomorrow and the world for tomorrow has to be for everyone, for 11 million inhabitants in Belgium, not only for a person who understand the objective or understand the opportunities. It must be for everyone. And so it cannot be only an initiated discussion only for experts. Society must also take its place in building a digitalized world where the data and the open knowledge takes its place. I want to say to everyone that I will fully support with all my work and all my heart, each energy from Belgium. I know it's great. There's a lot of energy in Belgium because I'm sure that together that's a smart nation that we are building. And I'm so glad to see that that there is so many people who take their part in that adventure. And I will do my job. And that's all before the question. That's great. So first of all, big, big thanks for this very nice introduction yourself, your policy and how you see many of the topics that we will touch upon later also for being so concise because it leaves us a lot of time actually more than half an hour for the Q&A. And as you might have seen in the chat, I will relay what is there. I want to thank Peter Kolpair who is I would say one of the pioneers in academics really going deep into the linked open data space. But before that he was already, I was pushing for open data for weather data. So the KME-ERM is a party with whom we've had I would say a cautious battle in the past because they get revenues from selling their data. And we would like those datasets to be open. As such, we don't have a problem with the fact that they will model it themselves and be one of the modellers in selling the model data. But we think that the measured data that are mainly being financed with public money should be open for the public good. And so I would like to know that's the question from Peter. Can you confirm that you've already spoken to them and that you have the funds to open this set now? Yeah, that's a perfect question because that's a good example of a state of mind know about a person of institution who has data. And it's really important to understand that those data doesn't belong to those institutions. It belongs to everyone. But one of the major problem in this case is that they've built a business model which counts on the revenue of the selling of the data. So first of all, we have to break that model. We have to find a solution to say, okay, that money you won't have that anymore. But we have to find finance to make, yeah, to compensate the loss. So I'm always working on it. And in the project, unleashing data, the purpose is first of all to decide a strategy in big data and also the open data to help unleashing those problems and to go to the governments, to my colleague to say, okay, do we have to live in a country with open data? So, okay, but we have to find the budget, the finance to change the model. And that's something important. But that's not the only example which the model is so built that we have to change it. Yes, but first of all, it's great to know that you're already talking to them and that you clearly adhere to this vision that it should be open, maybe to inspire you in the UK. When they had the floodings, they had three agencies that had been selling that type of data on water damage from flooding to insurance companies. And their government went around and said, how much do you earn on that? And they just compensated for the money because the greater good, a few later people were opening apps where you could see if your house was in one of those flood zones or not. And so sometimes it's cheaper for the government to just pay the 800,000 because that's the cost they have given us that they get 800,000 a year from selling the water data. It's, I hope there's room in the 450 million euro budget to open that and I know many people are trying to tap into it, but I think that would be one of the contenders. Yeah, but it's not 450 million a year. No, no, no, no, it's a total, I know, absolutely. But, okay, thanks, so that's one. I see a lot of questions are coming up and apparently Peter is also saying that there was a law in 1914 that says they need to have a revenue model. So you probably also need to take a legislative initiative to fix not just the business model, but even the law so that they can no longer and they have to open and they don't are in this conflict of having a European public service information directive saying this should be open as a high value data set and on the other side, a Belgian law from 1914, which is quite a while ago where they said they should be making money. So it's, yeah, and it shows immediately how hard it is in which type of a job you are to get all those things done but we are here to stimulate you to get that done. One of my problems is that I don't have any magical button on which I can push to say, okay, it's fixed. No, I have to take every challenge step by step. I spoke about, we spoke about AI, but first of all, if you want to have a strong AI, you have to, you need to have stronger data but also strong personal data who will be anonymized but for all of you, you must build trust. So it's always a problem of to identify the first step to go to the objective. And for the data, the weather data, that's also the problem but unleashing data that projects will help us to identify the first step to go to that subjective. Okay, so we have high hopes on the meteor data and maybe somebody else in the chat is saying, yeah, how could I have forgotten the laws of 1914 which brings us to a question we had in the pre-curses at Dimitri Horsens, asked like, will the monitor Belgium-Belistas but soon have a GitHub or an API or a search interface where you can go full text and maybe find that law and type KMI and see what regulates them. Is this something that you also would like to see happen during your period as a citizen? We are already working on it with my colleague, Vincent van Driekenborn of the Justice because today, the monitor, I don't know how we say that in English. The state gazette, the Belgian state gazette. Yes, the Belgian state gazette must be printed. So that's also an old state of mind. So we have to change it and it is on its way. Okay, so that's a good answer. I hope that in one year we will have made some progress. Okay, great. I'm going through the chat and I would say other people too. If you have questions, don't hesitate to ask them in there. There's no bad questions and I'll try to pick up on them. And if you like somebody asking a question, you can support it or add your nuance to it. So there's a lot of people asking you, how can you explain further how you will do this bottom-up governance? How would you organize and manage that? Because it sounds great. The bottom-up governance, you said. Okay, Alexandre de Croix had a team in his cabinet. The name of that team was Digital Minds. We have all probably heard from that. Digital Minds was a group of 15 people or 20 people who gave him advice a few years ago. I want to begin from that. That's a small group of person. I'm working, neither right now. But I want that this group should not be alone. It must under that group be composed with under groups and under groups and under groups. For example, Digital Minds could be the first group above all, but you could have, and you will have, five groups beneath Digital Minds, one for infrastructure, one for skills, one for ecosystems, one for, and you can always go deeper, deeper. For example, in ecosystem, you can have a group for AI, but in this group, the group AI, you can also generate a group for AI in health, okay? And my purpose, my objective is to make a network that connects everybody. There is a lot of initiative that are taken like yours, but that your initiative must be connected to a whole and that's what I discover now. There are a lot of energy, but they are not always working together and that's a problem. And to me, a bottom-up governance is to be able to connect all the person who have an expertise, who has a point of view, who can bring something in the debate. That's really important because digitalization, that's not easy, that's not easy because for you, digitalizations may be open source, open data, but for other digitalization are social media or digitalization may be robotics and the digitalization is such a big heterogene concern that it's important to be aware of everything and the best manner to me to do that is to have a network who connect everybody and that's not always so. Okay, so those are the challenges. We're following up on the Meteor data, we have Adversted and Peter Cobb was saying, yes, the Meteor data set was a success. The one they opened it in the Netherlands in 2004. So that's maybe if we go to our neighbors north, a way to get inspired and see how they cracked that nut. We have Johan Ronson who's asking, are there any plans on the federal level to create what the UK has done? They created a government design service and they united 2000, I would say like today in Belgium, each government agency has several online properties and it's hard to find your documents in there and so they had a real plan, which I would say really UX, UI experts on there with test groups to make sure there was like more uniform way to navigate to all the government websites. Is there any plan for this on the federal level? There is a plan that's called B-App. B-App is the project to give the sensation of simplicity. We live in a complex country with so much institution and you don't know if you need to go to the region, to the community, to the federal state, to that responsibility. That's so complicated and the objective, and I wrote it in my political declaration, that problem is not the problem of the citizen. It's the problem of the politicians and they've made a great job to make things more complicated but that must not be the problem of the citizen. And so B-App is the objective of B-App is to give the sensation of simplicity with one app which is given to the citizen and through this app you can access to your city, to the region. That's really a big challenge in our complex institutions but the first step to make that possible is the step I'm building a know about the personal data because you know it, if you want to make that easier the starting point are the personal data and the first rule it seems easy but it's not easy to have a cadastre of all the data that the state, the institution, have about you. Even that's not easy. So as I explained a few minutes ago you fix your, you identify your challenge and then you must identify which is the first step to go to the challenge and I know I haven't got any magical button to push and to say B-App it's a reality. No, no, no, that's not the way it works. So we went to begin from the start and the start is personal data. Where are they? What's the use of it? Who accessed those data? And the first step is to give back those data to which they belong, the citizen and then from the data to build services that simplify their lives. Okay, great. I will go to the solid question that Peter is asking here on his way out to his parental leave. We see that the solid web standards are for personal data and you just mentioned the importance that you are really putting on personal data and giving back control to the, I would say, to the citizens. Are you also looking to move to that standard? So I would say it's a W3C, Tim Berners-Lee has one of the, I would say the grandfather of the internet as we know it. Is this something that you're looking at or are you looking more at a centralized view where you will have an access with an EID or it's me and that you can see which agency has which data element for which purpose and duration? We are working in it like no with the technicians of BOSA but in fact every institution has its own database. Okay, and the purpose is to build, you can mention that better than me, but to build some algorithm which will take those data to take it to one access, one easy access to each citizen to identify them. So how it can happen? Maybe an application or a website where you identify yourself through it's me or EID, your FAS, I know, and then from that page, from that API, you can have a quick view on which data the institutions has got about you. It can be over your pension, it can be over your properties, it can be over, I don't know, your healthcare. It's a way to find what the state knows about you. The next step, because I'm already thinking about the next step, is to have the ability to say, okay, my pension for example, but who can, which person can access to that data for which purpose? But you can also go further in a few years to say, okay, my healthcare data, I am agreeing to give it to the science for research purpose. But the basic is to have a correct view on the data which the government has about you. That's the very beginning, I think. That's already a big challenge. That's not, that won't be easy. I already know it. We all agree you have many challenges ahead and one of them is this interoperability, the tough word to pronounce, the interoperability, the toughest one to implement, not just to get out of your house. Interoperability. There you go. Yeah, works because I can exist if there are data and that's the way we want to build that system. But the government, the administration have already a great experience in interoperability but it's not always readable and that's one of the problems. The person is really important because privacy builds trust but to trust the system you must understand it. You must have access to it and that's a concern. We still see examples any day and I don't want to give too much critique here but all employers now and I'm sure you're aware of this have to fill in how many employees they have which is something that the state knows. So it's a little bit asking for something that is known in another agency to then be able to control who feels pressure to go to work or where should we go to do that. So those are small things and the goal is that you shouldn't do that but up to today we keep launching these new apps that are imperfect, that feel very much like last minute quickly done things that could be done better and so that's a little bit the frustrating part for our community to say, we have so much expertise, so many great developers and designers, how come each time again we need to say, it's tough, it's hard, we have to do it with a small budget and a few people. How do you respond to that? That's part of a job I'm on for the moment. That's the privacy law, the only one law. It's to rebuild the regulation about the circulation of the data and as I analyze it, there is a lot to be done to make that regulation more efficient. What I've noticed is that in the 90s, the state has begun its digitalization and the job done was not so bad about health care, about social but there were not many laws to build that data exchange and in the year 2010, the legislature, the parliament, has begun to build regulation, to build laws but those were technical laws and today in 2021, probably because of COVID and because of the fact that people have noticed that government had data about them that was, they were afraid and no, there is, I think there is a big change in the way that politicians take in charge the concern of the data. That's for me, there is something happening now. There was, I say to my team always, okay, there was a technical era, then a juridic era and now that's an ethical era and politics will take that debate in hand and then we'll go back to legal, to Jewish and then to technical. That's what happened now, I think. And so, in the coming months and years, I will have to work hard on those laws to rebuild a legal context which can unleash data, which can unleash transparency with ability about data, algorithm, that's really important. Okay, we see a lot of good chats going on here so thank you for everybody participating in there and giving comments here so it's definitely worth a read. I also think a little bit of fear for some of us that this will take a lot of time because it is so complex and we have to make new laws and at the same time there is this ambition and frustration why can't we move faster? Why do we have to see the same mistakes happening over again? And I see that you're smiling because you feel the same frustration but yeah, we can, you're the elected official so we can point to you what are you going to do about the network? Are you going to measure this? Do you have metrics yourself on this plan and these five axes where you want to see things? Have you already been able to establish KPIs for example? Okay, KPIs to me are the ranking of DAISY. We are 9th of 28th and those are the KPIs. I know exactly our ranking in Postructure, in Administration, in Ecosystem. For example, we are 16th on the 28th about Administration. That's bad, that's not good at all. To me, that's an important point. That means that we are very late about Administration and if with some actions in the data fields about BEAP, about the use of XME or e-box or e-invoicing to build trust with the citizens in the usage and the use of the Administration, we can easily come to the 16th place to the 10th or so. And so my KPIs are objective KPIs which are given to DAISY. Okay, our fellow board member Berthieu Houlou is our expert on digital skills. He knows the metric by how we are in the 12th place when it comes to human capital digital skills and the current index. And so what are the plans for the digital Belgium, the skill funds that we had under the previous legislation period and are you planning to continue that to also make sure that the social vulnerable will not be left behind in this more and more digital world? Yeah, I'm working on the coming digital skills fund for the coming years. But I think also that the digital break, I don't know how we say that in English, digital break, the vulnerable public about digitalization is a big problem for me. And that's one of the first things on which I worked when I arrived in this friction function. And I will release in the coming days some specific projects to fight against that work. That's really important. Because as I say in my introduction, digitalization must be for everyone. We cannot allow that there is a part of Belgium who is digitalized and another part who is left behind. No, that's not the manner I see digitalization. That's a tool to simplify the life of everybody that cannot be a reason for complexity. And I would like to explain one of the projects. That's the part. In French, we say écrivain public numérique. That's a digital public writer. And the purpose is to make a certificate like the first school, the white cross. The first aid at a station that you can help people. That's it. In fact, it's a little bit the same. It's to build a certificate that can give the competencies to help other people to digitalize at a small scale. But the minimum requirement, required skills to be digitalized. The King Baudouin Foundation has released a few weeks ago, a few months ago, their statistics about the digital work. It speaks about 40% of the population who doesn't have the minimum required skills to be part of the digital world. That's a problem. It means that they cannot authenticate at their bank, the administration. And the purpose of the digital public writer is to unleash those minimal required competencies. I think I dare to say knowing the people that we have in this session, that all of us probably already earned a certificate by being the help desk of our families, the elderly people, and making sure the printers work and the antivirus is updated and the apps are installed and working. So yes, we're already doing that in a family relationship, of course. But tomorrow you will have a certificate, therefore. Okay, well, it's good, but I hope that we can then get a wider implementation and get it further than just the family health. In fact, the objective is to build more than 5,000 certificates a year. I will just point you to the Open Batch Project, as it was called, and the person asking this question, Bert-Johul, he can give you all the details about that. But that's exactly this. It's tracking skills and being able to apply that sort of skill set on a public batch. I will leave my email in the comments. Yeah, it's already in there, and it's very easy because BOSA does report to you and to a certain extent, and so they actually financed Open Knowledge Belgium several times in summer projects and ongoing about this Open Batch Project. So you have everything at your disposal to make this happen very quickly. We don't need to wait for laws or technical analysis. We can just get that out in Europe. Here's my email. Great. So thank you for sharing your email. I hope you have a good spam filter in there. Let's go on. We have another eight minutes, and so we have many more questions and remarks that are, I would say, going on here, but we had some remarks, I would say, prepared up front. We see people here thanking you that the Indeed Digital Skill Gap will be not forgotten and that the most vulnerable will be helped in this whole, I would say, this whole movement. Recently, in the press, you had to intervene because there was some, I would say, uncertainty about projects run by the Social Security, Smiles, BOSA, which you have called to put data in the center, I think. Can you maybe elaborate shortly on that in two, three minutes what the issue was and how you want to address it? Okay. Oh, that's a technical issue. I know it's a tough one. Sorry. But putting data in the center, but all the discussion about the data through COVID, through the passenger locator form and so on have built the certitudes for me to act, to bring transparency to all those data processes. Putting data in the center is something which was used or worked by BOSA to give more simplicity to the people. We spoke about only one slope. That was the purpose, to build the algorithm to take data in different databases to match them, to give a simple answer to a question. For example, a police officer needs to know if someone has the correct age or can be at this place or the project putting data in the center was to take some data in different databases, match them to give one answer to that police officer. In fact, no big deal for the finality of the, but the opportunity maybe to use that tool for other purpose. And that is where the problem can be because there is no, today, there is no democratic control about the use which is made about those kind of algorithms. And that is the problem, I think, because we all have to know how that is decided. I have big respect for the person who work in the administration, but they have no right to decide on a democratic view what can be done or what cannot be done. That is the problem. That's why the politicians have to take back that debate because some years ago that was a debate which took place between technicians, but being a technician is not being a politician. We must together identify what we will have to use in which world do we want to live tomorrow and then technical solutions must adapt to that. And in putting data in the center, that's a little bit the contrary. If technically it's interesting, that we will do it. That's not the way it must go. Digitalization is a tool for the people. So the people have to decide who have to understand how it's, and to understand how it's made and for what purpose. And therefore I want to, I think that the best place to decide it is at the parliament on a public debate. And that's to me, but Bosa didn't do that in a neville purpose that was only to make life easier. But technically you know better than me that that kind of tool can be used to make more transparency. And it's not the tool, the problem. It's what we do with the tool. Yes, it's a slippery slope. I think we're all happy to learn that we, the people through our elected official, there will be more checks and balances on what is done, what is allowed to be done and that we know what is done. And this is also a question from Albert Staden. Is it possible to get an inventory, as I say in French, an overview of, how are you building this today to see which agency is using which data elements for what purpose and will this be opened at some point? Thank you for that question because that's a perfect question because that was my first question as I was in this office. But you won't like the answer. Well, we'll listen to it first. Yeah, that doesn't exist, but that will exist soon and that was one of my first questions to have that overview and that's coming. And I said, step by step, you said, yeah, we want to go fast. Yeah, it's important to go fast but it's important also not to precipitate. We must act fast but we must act in a good manner. It must be a strong act that we... I think there is a great quote from you from Andy Heugebard, as open as possible, as close as necessary. And maybe we can do as fast as possible without falling over our own feet, something like that, right? So that sounds like a very good summary because we're reaching the end of this closing session, closing keynote. There were many more topics maybe one very last one on open science. It's something that we haven't touched upon and something that is also very dear to our community. We had a question from Muriel Verbeck who is referring to France where they made Plan Nationale pour la science ouvert exactly to make sure that there is more open access to the government-funded academic insights but also educational resources. Do you also have a pillar in your policy that will focus on that one? Honestly, not for the moment. I have to choose my fights. I cannot do everything. And the best manner of not being able to do one thing is to do everything. But I'm sure that Thomas Dermin will be interested in that. So you can relay the question to Thomas Dermin and also education is a regional matter of course so it's not your policy field directly. But education is really important for me because we have Saskia Vanouffel and you must know which work on the coalition for digital skills and there is a big work that's done at the moment to point all the nose in the same direction. And that's a job which is done at an affordable level to do that with all the stakeholders. So that's really important. There is a lot to do. I think with Saskia you found the right ambassador to be able to unite and to make all those noses in the same direction. I'm the weakest person of the world with Saskia. I will, on behalf of our community thank you for your time also for the humbleness and the openness that you've shown and we really look forward working with you as a community to help you with the policy with feedback and I would say the open badges are there so make it one of your policies success projects by opening it to the bigger part. Big thanks and all the best to you and to everybody in this session and looking at us later follow everything we do on openbelgium.be for our upcoming editions and via OpenKnowledge.be to see where you can help and support our cause. And with that we are closing the session. Bye bye and thank you Mathieu Michel. Thank you, bye bye. And thank you Tom for the excellent moderation by the way. I think the recording is over now but I hear you and I think other people can still hear us too but that's okay for me. So yeah, thank you everybody here if you're still hanging around and you see and hear us we had some time constraints and of course when we get politicians of the federal level we can't get more time than we had allocated so that's why I had to be a little bit short at the very end of it. I think or at least Astrid correct me session digital version this year