 Welcome to the After Hours podcast, hosted by Harry Haas and James Friedlender, presented by My Investing Club. What's going on guys? We are back with another episode of the After Hours podcast. Today we have a very long time, long awaited guest. We have David, who's a junior moderator over at MIC. So David, thank you for coming on. Hey, thanks for having me, guys. What's up? Of course, I've been excited for this one because David and I have been talking off and on for a long time and it's cool. Like I've got to see his trading career like really bud and like become like awesome. Like he doesn't share it publicly. He shared some like P&Ls with us and the guys. It's like, it's cool shit to see, man. It's cool to see you become the guy you have. So I'm definitely excited to kind of dive into your career and go from there. So tradition, of course, man. Of course, let's get into it. So traditionally, how did you find trading and how did you kind of end up at MIC and kind of walk us through that whole beginning stage and process? So you guys weren't even born yet. But 1987, I graduated from high school. A movie came up and it was Wall Street. It's my favorite movie. I wanted to be Gordon Gekko, man. I was the boss. I said he had everything. And then life hit me, reality came in and I went to college, played some sports and I tried to get into trading maybe right when Bao did, but I went to this conference and dude, it was like 30 grand a month for that data. There's no internet really back then. And so I said, you know what, all right, I'm just gonna go work and I'll invest on the side and all that every now and then. Then I sold my company, I had a manufacturing company and I sold it, gosh, 2014, to spend time with my kids. And then I said, you know what, I wanna do this. I see all these guys and it was actually watching with my girlfriend at the time. What's that boat show? Below the deck? Below deck and I saw that one guy out there. Right. So I signed up with him to try to learn stuff. And, you know, I wasn't getting anywhere. I was in with his inner circle and I was about to give up, to be honest. And I think I saw Bao and I probably just got on Instagram the first time in my life, you know, two and a half years ago or whatever. I saw Bao and I said, I'll give it one more shot. Yeah, I love it. I signed up and I said, all right, I've got a little bit of problem. I know a lot of stuff, you know, I think I'm probably smarter than I am. And I came in, I said, I just gotta watch all these videos. And it was when Faye started as well. Cool. So here I am, I'm just watching all the videos and I think she was doing the same but she just all of a sudden started posting these big, you know, every week I'm going, I'm the dumbest person in the world. Dude, she made me feel like an idiot. I think you would almost feel like an idiot. Yeah, I just couldn't do it. And I kept going over it. And then the accelerator came out, right? I watched that three times in a row. And what I did from there is I actually got on calls with a bunch of you. My first call was Harry. And I wasn't even, I wanted to be short. I just wanted to talk to Harry. Say, hey, how's it going? Does this really work? Then I talked to Aloha Austin and he's just, he's such a smart dude. He's just like, he's over my head smart, you know? It's like, he's a good dude. And then you and James, you and I and Tom hooked up and it started making sense. And I got a big win on APT. Remember when APT had a first red day? I nailed that as well with Alex and I thought I was King shit. Then I lost a bunch again. And I had a call with you, James. And then I had a call with Tosh and he reminded me, he goes, you know, my setup and what I like is it's up 100% of the day or a couple of days. You get that big death candle through V-Web, it bounces and you nail it. And I said, yeah, that's exactly what I like. He said, just trade those. And I just started and what happened was I also had a call with Joe and he said the exact same thing and it kind of just clicked from there. It was back probably June, two years ago. And it just clicked and from there, it just, you know, it was consistent, consistent, consistent. And it's just kind of blown up from there. I mean, I had, I took, you know, the other day Alex had that big loss. I had a big one as well. But I've made, it's just, I'm having a good year. Yeah. The big losses are such part of the game, dude. It's like, I think people always assume they'll never have them. Like, I think you're not, you're not a day trader or a trader in general, unless you've never had that like a fat loss. And like, you know, it just, it hardens your skin and like, it also like, I think it's necessary all the time to like humble you because you are, you're having a great year. You had a great year last year. So it's like, you know, you never know. It's like, as much as the losses suck, like maybe that saved you from taking the mother of all losses. Like what if you just kept getting cocky and then fucking went crazy on the next big day? You know, it's like, so it's good. And it's, it's cool to see like how you've gotten even to this point. Cause like, I remember like you were, you knew what you were doing, but you just had those, those days where you're like, lose, you'd be like so like annoyed. You'd be like, what the fuck? Like, I know what I'm doing. Like, why do I keep doing this? And it just took those little tweaks and like, it's cool to see where you're at now. Well, and you know, I think a lot of it goes back to, and your last, the last podcast you guys had talked about the same thing. It's really just simplifying it. I mean, we get a lot of people and it's the ego thing, the ego and greed, right? Where's Lambo? Right? It's like. Where Lambo? It's not, it's not what it's about. You know, it's, you gotta learn the process. And if you, my goodness, and I do the same exact thing. I make my watch list. I compare it to Alex afterwards. And it's like, when they match up, it's like super cool, but I'll do my own trades as well. And, but it's there. And it drives me up the wall. Cause you know, I get DMs now too. And you know, how about this and this, and I'm going, what, did you look at the watch list? Why are you trading that? It wasn't even supposed to be there. It's, if you learn really to draw lines, learn some basic concepts, you know, you don't need to know all this other stuff. I'm probably the dumbest trader we have. I'm just, I just grind it out. And it's, it's just, you got it. And that's what you got to do. You got to kind of dumb it down. It's like, draw your lines, compare it to Alex and trade it and learn from it. Yeah, I know. Did I say that with long traders and Harry? Like I get DMs from people that are like, oh, I was, I was long this stock that was like 80 cents below VWAP and, and it wasn't a hot chick. And I'm just like, and I literally right back, I'm like, did Harry, was Harry longing that? Like, do you want to, like, why are you going against what, like it's like almost like, obviously MIC doesn't breed like people that just follow alerts. Like that's not our purpose. But it's like, you want to learn from the people that are successful. So like Harry's a successful long trader. I'm not like, oh, I'm going to go long this stock. Like that's a fucking side chick, no volume, nothing. Like, and it's, it's cool that you said that cause I think a lot of people overlook the basic need of like just look at what the better guys are doing. We're all doing very similar shit. So learn from them and then go from there. Yeah, go ahead, Dary. I was just going to say one thing. Like I got a, I got a DM the other day and it was from, well, I got a couple of DMs recently and you know, I was looking at his chart and I was like, all right, well that one's way below VWAP and he was trying to long to get like a bounce. And I was like, no bro, you can't be doing that. Another one way below VWAP. I was like, bro, how much volume did this stock have? And I shit you not, it had maybe half a mill volume pre market and was just fucking dead. And the spread was big. He's trying to buy on the ass for a dollar underneath VWAP. And I was like, what are you doing? And I was like, send me all your charts and show me your biggest ones. Of course his biggest wins are, you know that those front side above VWAP, high volume, no death candle yet types of trades. I was like, well, why aren't you just trading these? Like, well, the thing is, as a long trader, like you can't be expecting a big day every single day and you need to accept that there are going to be days where you just can't trade. Like today I was up around like a dollar a share on that C stock that ran and then there was another stock I traded. So I'm up about a dollar a share today. Yesterday I didn't really have that much to trade. So, you know, if we split that between the two days, what's that like 50 cents a share between both days? So that's how I'm kind of thinking about it. But there's a lot of long traders that want a big green day every single day because it's longing. You want a dollar, you want a dollar a share, you're greedy, that's just really the, that's really longing in itself. It's just fucking greed. But that's another thing to get into. But I mean, there are just a ton of people who if they just looked at their big wins and then looked at their big losses and looked at the dumb shit in between, they would be profitable because they'd learned from the dumb shit and they would learn from the kind of, I guess, bigger losses in order to just say, all right, I'm just going to take these trades that make me a winner, you know? Yeah, that's so true. Yeah. Why do you think it is, dude? I don't get it. It's like, obviously, we're all three like odds and stuff. It's like, we get these questions, it's like, yeah, what do you think it is? It's Twitter. Yeah. I mean, it's, you know, you see these people, I mean, even I look every now and then you look, you know, it's like, you don't know these people's situations. Yeah. You know, and where they, right, so it's a tough one. And I didn't want to take a step back because I don't want anyone to watch this and think it's super easy. I got to tell you, and James, you know, Valtramese, I watched, I mean, I went back, I double-checked today. Those trading fish ones, I did two or three times and then all of Joe's, I went through the only ones videos that I haven't watched and hopefully Chicago trader doesn't watch this are the ones to make me, you know, to give me more information because I don't want to spin it right now. But I spent, it would be, I would get up 536, put the videos on and it would be 10, 11 o'clock at night. And I just did that. So even if you're working and doing other jobs, it takes, you know, I did that in six months. I think I got consistent. If you're not doing that type of, you know, 12, 16 hours a day, it's a, this is a long process. Yeah, you know what's crazy too is it's like, so I have like friends and stuff that I'm like, I helped learn to trade. Like I'm actually helping this guy who like owns a convenience store next to my barbershop. I saw that on Snapchat. He said, funny as fuck. Like, and dude, you know what's crazy is he's actually keeping it so simple because of like just how I explain it. And he's actually like profitable in his first week. Like he actually made money and like everything makes sense. And it's like, it's fun. It's funny though, because it's like, dude, these guys, like, but he's also like, I give him the free MIC YouTube content because he's not at the point to afford MIC. He's got a small account and he's going to get there. And like, dude, I give him all these videos. I send him 10 the next day. He's like, dude, send me 10 more, send me 10 more. And I'm like, oh, I'm like, oh, shit. And it's like some of the people that I've tried to help, I'll give them all these videos. They won't watch them, but they went to four years of college to work a job that they're probably making like 30 to 40 K a year, which I'm not shitting out at all. I'm just saying they worked for four years to make that. It's like, dude, you put in like one year or even a couple of months of like really solid work. Dude, you'd be making that like nothing. Like, dude, even today, I had like an average day. I just didn't have any really plays. Like it wasn't there for me, whatever. I mean, like 500 bucks. And it's like, that's such a small 15 minute work day. I just made these guys like work in like 30 seconds. Like it takes nothing. And like, you're one of the guys, David, that actually just put your head down, like you put in the fucking work and like, you reap the benefits. And it's not a coincidence that you're making money now. Right. You know, I was going to get on the call with Harry and Harry, I talked to Tasha instead. The other day, the same thing was, I was doing, I'm just, it keeps going, boom. And I'm doing very well. And I'm thinking myself, the other day I thought, I was like, am I just lucky because you see all these different things and all these sayings people come up and say, and it's like, I don't know what that means. And it's like, but I'm just making money. Right. Imposter syndrome is real. It's real. Like you always, you know what's fucked up though is like if you're trading well and like you feel that way, like generally you force yourself to make a dumb move. Cause you just feel like, oh, I'm like I'm so lucky and lucky it's like, it's not realistic. It's just, once you start trading the process, it's almost like, this is easy. I got on the call with Alex a long time ago when I was like, dude, I feel like this is like too easy. Like I feel like I'm like doing something wrong. He's like, bro, trading is boring as fuck. Like there's nothing to do. It's just like, it is easy. It's, if you once you learn to simplify it, it's nothing and it's like the most true thing in the world. Yeah, that really is. And I also think that you made a good point like about the whole like imposter syndrome. And I thought that you made another good point, James, about going to college or university, working four years in order just to make 30K, just following down the same path because everyone else did it and it's easy and you can. I'm not gonna sit here and say, studying 12 hours a day is easy. It's 100% harder. It is 10 times harder than college because I've done the whole college route. This shit is way fucking harder. This shit is 100% harder. Do not come in here and expect a free hand. Oh yeah. College, college you can get on to and just drink in. Cs get degrees and you're pulling half your weight and this shit, you really need to work hard and buckle down and treat it as a job and treat it seriously. And what did I say today, David? I remember that you reacted to it, but there's a lot of people who see the life on Instagram. And then they bring that into the market and when they bring that FOMO into the market, that's why we have these people longing way below VWAP because there's nothing else to trade and they feel like if they're not trading right now that they're not doing enough or they're not making money or they just wanna gamble, I don't fucking know. But I don't know. There are a lot of people who love to gamble too and gamble ahead and gamble, but that's not the MIC process. Well, and if you're gonna, I gotta be honest because I do this and I love to gamble. I go to Vegas. I love to gamble too. I mean, Vegas is fun. Dude, you got good food, you got entertainment. I'm not sitting in this little office here. That's not gambling, this is my job. Dude, and that's the thing, like you mentioned like Twitter and stuff and it's like, I think people just get so like, they get so intoxicated by seeing these like fucking huge profits and shit that they like come here and they're like, you know what? Like screw it, like if I don't make that, I'm wasting my time. It's like, dude, like you just, you reached out. Like one thing I really admire about you, is that you're very like, I think you're in tune with everyone at MIC. Like if anyone's having a bad day, I feel like you reach out and like whatever. And the other day I was frustrated because I just felt like no matter what, I was like underperforming, underperforming. I still feel like that every day. But it's like, you reached out and you're like, dude, just kind of like help kind of refocus myself. And it's like, it is true. It's like, dude, you go on Twitter and shit and like you see people post like 50,000, 100,000, 200,000 dollars a day and it's like, what the fuck am I doing? But I think the biggest lesson from that little like emotional downturn was just like, you just focus on your own fucking life. You're focused on your own lane. And like, I feel like you're doing that now. And that's what, that's kind of what helped you like be as consistent as you are. You're not like going in, trying to like, how many members of MIC have you seen like, or not members, just people who've done dumb shit like blow up, do dumb shit because they're trying to compete with guys like Alex, they're trying to compete with guys like Harry or anyone else. Like, you don't do that anymore. And like, look at you, look at your P&Ls. They're good every day. Your charts every day are consistently good. Your losses are good. Like, I don't know, it's just, it's cool. Yeah. There's a reason I don't, you know, do my P&L. First it's, you know, that's, it's my, I don't know, I'm a little older so it's no one's business usually, but I share it with some people. But it's like, I don't need to put that out there and say, you know, look, I'm making, I know I made a comment. I'm consistently making six figures, whatever it is. And then I got all these DMs like, all right, this isn't what I wanted. I'll help anyone just ask me. But it's, it's not, you know, I worked hard to get there. And like today, I mean, I almost didn't trade today because I was up so much. I was just like, well, I'm done for the day. You know, it was like an hour in. It's like, I made so much and, you know, but then I said, well, what else am I going to do? I said, well, I could put the house together, which I really didn't want to do. I could go golf, a little chilly at 70. So I didn't want to do that. So then I sat down and I said, well, you know what? I'm going to watch bow trade all day. And that's what I do is I just watch, help people and learn. Dude, the biggest lesson ever is like, honestly, that's what I do too. Yeah, dude, just watch it. No, you're good. No, I mean, dude, it's just like, trading is like a fucking movie. Like you don't have to trade just to like learn and like watching shit. Like I can sit there all day and watch bow go like, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, and just learn something. That's literally what I'll do all the time. That's such a good point by David. Cause like, I'm not even really trading this shit. I'm just like, and like, I probably should be like, I probably should be shorting some of the shit, you know? I'm just like, I'm just like, bow, I see you at eight. I see you there at eight. And then he fills the prints at nine, seven, like, Harry, you fucking bastard, like I was, but. I think something that I've noticed with a lot of the mods and like people who are more successful or like getting more successful are, once you actually are consistent and you're putting money in the bank, like, and David, I think this was a huge turning point for you was like, once you have enough, not saying it's enough money, just saying like, once you're actually making money, you realize like trading is not gambling. It is like, this is my job. I'm here to perform at the time when I can make money. And if it's not there, I'm not going to do anything. Like you notice like, once you have enough, you're like, I don't need to trade this shit. I don't need to trade this like five cent, 10 cent scalp because I don't need it. And I think like for you, that was such an inflection point. Like once you started getting consistent and like you're a little bit older and like, I think you, you understand the value of money too. So it's like, you see like, oh, I'm up six figures. Like the fuck am I going to go gamble on like Tesla? Like, am I going to go do this for you, you know? It's just not worth it to me. No, you've done good at that. Yeah, I feel like you've done a good job transitioning from like this like beginner trader and you went quick dude. Like I feel like people get so like thrown off when they see like a guy like become successful kind of fast. And I just think it's like for you, you kind of hit the main points early in your career and like that just helped you out of shit time. It could have been. I mean, there was that. You know, I gotta be honest there. I'm a competitive dude. I played some sports and semi pro and stuff. And, you know, Faye caught, I mean, cause she and I started, I think the same day and she caught me off guard. And for a little while, that got me in my head. I mean, it was, what the hell? You know, and here's someone who does this shit. You know, and I'm in the back going, I've been around the block. And so it took me a lot of time. And I saw some demons pop up. Like I got into a trade today this afternoon and I looked at it and I said, what are you doing? And I got right out. I just, I went in, I tried it. I got out and I posted it too. It was just a dumb trade. I thought it would go down. It was, it should have been a fader at the, you know, when it reverses at two o'clock and it didn't. And I got right. I said, what are you doing? I got right out. I just watched Bow. It's like, I don't need to do this. I feel like that's natural though. Everybody has those moments still like where you just like get into something like, why am I fucking doing this? I think that's normal. I think you're a human. But I think with Faye, dude, like everybody always talks about Faye and how successful she was really fast. And she was, it was freak of nature shit. But she was a robot. Like she's really a robot. She just, she watched all the videos in like a week like as much as she could at the time. Like just, it was so fast. And then just her trading is robotic. And it's like, people always compare themselves. And like, I mean, I don't know how many times you can talk about this, but like you cannot compare yourself. Yeah, I'm so competitive, dude. I'm so competitive. We could be throwing trash into a trash bin. I'm like, I'll fucking make this before you do. And I'll bet you $100. But you can't do it. You can't compare yourself in trading. If you do, you're gonna blow the fuck up. If you do that in this profession with the way social media is, and everyone else, we even have people every now and then I'm throwing, you know, they're P&Ls on, if you act like that and take that in your head and you're not prepared to make that, you know, that type of jump of those types of trades, you're gonna, you are done. You're not gonna make it. Yeah, period. Yep. Harry, how do you deal with that as a long trader? Cause like, well, I feel like long P&Ls can be fucking ridiculous if you can see some crazy shit. I could never do it. Yeah. I think how I kind of deal with it is I really stay in my own lane. Like I have half of Twitter fucking muted, bro. I have half of Twitter that doesn't even fucking pop up on my screen. There are tons of people who could post massive P&Ls and like, I don't even have them on my screen. I look at who I'm following on social media. I manage that really, really super well. I know who I interact with. I know who there's traders from other rooms who I talk to all the time. They're all humble guys. They're not out here flashing massive P&Ls. You know, one of my friends is up like something like, you know, five, six mil on the year and we're DMing memes to each other on Instagram, we're not sitting here talking about money or sitting here talking about, and we might mention like, oh, D-Wack was crazy or oh, this was crazy or oh, that was crazy. But even with James, me and James aren't constantly talking about money. It's just the camaraderie about trading. And it's really for me been about staying in my own lane, focusing on myself, Alex posts big P&L days all the time. And that doesn't even phase me. Like I see those numbers and that's not going to touch me because I put myself in a mental state or mental level. That's pretty much untouchable, I think now, but I took steps to get there, like muting people on Twitter, not really following those types of, you know, crazy ass gambler accounts. You're not paying attention to people who are talking shit about trading or people who are in love with trading or, you know, and also one big thing that really helped me out is not following posts that fucking make you angry at the start of the day. I fucking, I un-followed all the political shit, all the fucking gaslighter shit, the shit where you're scrolling through Instagram and it's like, this politician said this and you're like, what the fuck that fucking asshole? And then all of a sudden you're pressing buttons and you're already triggered from one post, get rid of all that fucking shit. Get, like you really have to go on a social media and I also don't listen to music anymore when I trade either because I find that for me, you start doing stupid shit, like shit that you wouldn't normally do, like undisciplined shit, like, you know, you got like, I don't know, fucking Drake on, you know, talking about throwing money, you're like, fine, throw some right now, shit, I can fucking, what's fucking this? What's fucking that? You know, next thing you know, you're in a fucking $25,000 position on a low float stock doing under a half a million volume. You're like, what the fuck am I doing? I'm not fucking Drake. I'm not Drake. But yeah, just all that type of shit. I just know myself, I think really well and it's important to know yourself really well, like what triggers you, what fucking pisses you off, what in the world would make you fucking angry right now and make sure that is far away from you. And also don't trade when you're still fucking drunk. Jesus Christ, if I'm out partying and I'm still fucking drunk the next morning, I am taking her fucking easy as shit, you know. Christ, that podcast after bow, did I even show up the next day? I don't even think I did. You probably should have taken a month off for that. That was fucking crazy dude. That was the craziest night of my life. I was just, oh my God, I just remember, I knew in a moment I was like, this is going way downhill. This is going the wrong direction. 10, 20 minutes in, I'm like, yeah. That was a treat though, that was a legendary, oh dude, David were you rewatching? Oh yeah, it was fun, it was really fun. Oh yeah, see I want to do it again though. Yeah, it was hilarious. Hey Harry, I agree with you completely by the way too. I do the same thing. I have no music on anymore in here, just quiet, I'm in my own space and what's funny you mentioned Alex, Alex doesn't bother me either because he's like my mentor, my guru guy. That's yeah, same thing. Yeah, so I want that and I know he keeps doing that, it means my process is right. And so it's funny, it doesn't affect me at all. And but the politics, yeah, no news, nothing. I just come in, I sit down, I see what's moving, I draw my lines, I'll goof off, oh I have too much time, I'll walk away, go get a Red Bull or coffee, come back, trade be done. I think that's a really good point. I just want to just shut in for one second here James. That's a good point, like Alex and Bauer, it's when it's your friends or your mentor or whatever, that's perfect because that's not causing you a FOMO because you know that you can DM Alex or Bauer at any time and they're gonna be like, what's up? Like how are you doing? Same with Tosh, same with James, same with Tommy. You can DM all the time, it's boys, it's friends, it's whatever, same with my friends, like I'm not gonna get FOMO out of that because you're like, oh they're my friend. But when you see some random dude post some random trade, you don't even fucking know, for some reason that triggers the shit out of you. I know. So there you go, ape shit and fucking blow your goddamn account. That is so funny, yep. I have like this mentality lately where like, I kind of have to, I put a five minute time limit on my social media apps, like through my phone because I feel like I can't do it in the morning. Like for some reason, like if I go on Twitter in the morning, I just trade more reckless, like I find myself like trying to match like shit I see and like, you're right, like you see something that just triggers you and like next thing you know, you're like, you're trying to take out like you're any frustration on the market. So like, I think avoiding social media in the morning, honestly is a huge fucking help. Like just like avoiding that dumb shit just to like trading is like such a mental game. So it's like, if you can stay completely focused on the market, like I throw on like billions, like I watch like a show that I really like, I'm just like, okay, like, like I'm in the right headspace. I'm good. And then like, dude, I've been listening to fucking Christmas music when I trade for like the last like 15, 20 days. Cause like I got on a green streak and it was Christmas music playing like fuck. Like now that's what I'm listening to. Next thing you know, you're fucking listening to jingle bells and blowing the fuck up. No, I got Mariah Carey going on fucking balls deep at OCGN. No, I'm fucked. No, it's like, it is weird, but it, I don't know. It's just, it's weird how trading itself is like the littlest things can set you up. Like it depends on anything. What do you think just for anyone listening? Cause I know we've talked about like, guarding like your mentality. And I think that's super important. Like a lot of people can definitely like learn from that as well. What do you think are some simple tweaks that really kind of put you consistent? Cause I know there's some, there's some tweaks where like I talked about today, like I don't know what the stock was, but I was trading it and I was like, this is holding too well after the stuff move. Like I was like, fuck it, boys, I'm taking some long. And all of a sudden I was in it like 270, sold into three bucks and that stock had those $3 warrants. I forget what it was. You know, but yeah, anyway, what are some things that help you? I think sticking to what you're good at. And I think that's the hardest thing. Cause I remember when I first started, you know, you had low hanging fruit, you know, the first bounce, all these things I'm going on. You know, it's just so much info. And what I realized, and it really was that call with top, it was, it went James, Tosh and Joe and we haven't had any good ones lately, but is, but you get used to it. You can develop that into different strategies. It's, if it's up, you know, it goes from two bucks to four bucks and you get that death candle of 30 cents through VWAP and it bounces up to VWAP again, you hammer the shit out of it. Yeah. I think what's helped a ton as well is my understanding of that set up in first red days. And really that, that, that resistance. I mean, you know, I don't mind, you know, you can do it now. And I'm more experienced now. So I hate saying that, but you know, you hit the front side, but you do front side covers. You know, I'm okay taking. Yo, yeah, the wifi just cut out there real quick. You know, as you can tell them all dressed up Canadian winter, I got my, you know, Canadian sweater on here. My Canadian too gets getting a little fucking chilly. So that means the wifi is going to be cutting in now boys. But anyway, David, you know, we were talking about like tweaks that made you kind of better. And you're talking about hammering the shit underneath VWAP. So maybe you can just keep going on that one. From there, as I was talking is, is that in first red, real first red days. Right now we've got a few too many people thinking first red days are anything up and goes through, you know, that's not the way it is. You need a good three, four days up 100%. That's my favorite now. I tell you what, I live for those and I know Alex does too. And that's kind of how I just just emulated them and learned them. And then now, you know, as I was telling James as you were gone is the other thing and I hate saying it, but people, if you're going to short front side, you got to cover front side and 10 and 20 cents are fine. You just got to keep doing it over and over and you got to use hard stops period. You know, if you're not doing that, and I think that's what it is. I trust my lines more. I go to the, to make sure that the outer lines and I also give it as you learn you have to give it a little more room. And I think a lot of new traders mess that up too because they think, okay, if the stock, if my line's at 10, I better be out by 10.1. That's probably not, I mean, you get slippage. Not even close. Right. You might get 10.25. Right, and I get that a ton with questions saying, well, why didn't you stop out? I stopped out. I said, because you can even look, I said, well, look at the high of the day at pre-market. I said, that's gonna, or whatever the high of the day is, that's gonna be my top and where I would, now I'm like, if we're really low, I might get out and then get in again. But that's just the way I manage it. I think people just need to slow down, trust their lines, but understand that there's gonna be, you're not gonna hit the top, unless you're bow. Yeah, unless you're up and even bow. Bow's using small size. It's big relative to most, but like he's using small size and he's like scaling into these things. Like new traders, it's hard stops, drawing the right lines, actually just giving yourself the appropriate slippage, meaning like not over sizing. And then you're sticking to what you're good at. It's like those basic couple of things, like all these guys that are unprofitable and like DMing us, what the fuck's going on? Why am I not winning? It's like, we'll tell you the same shit over and over and you probably get sick of hearing it. It's like, you follow these couple of basic things and like, I feel like, I think that's what everyone needs to look at you, Dave, and emulate that. Like this guy, he comes to work, he does his job well, meaning he trades his process, he sizes appropriately, he and the right stops in, and that's it. Like there's nothing special about it. It's just like, that's it. Right. To give it a little validity, there's good English there, Dave. Is just the last 10 days, like I had that big loss, the last 10 days, I've been five figures every day. I have not located more than 5,000 shares. Yep. You don't need it. No, sometimes if I would have, what we just have OCGN, I wish I would have, I messed up, I didn't realize until halfway it was happening that it was a first red day, I was a little late to the table, but you know, and I know 5,000 is even a lot for some, but it's not, we're not talking 10,000 shares. And I know it's 5,000, if it's not broken, I'm only using 30%. Yep. You know, so. Dude, the reality is like 95% of traders will probably never trade more than like, or should never trade more than like 2,000 or 2,000 shares. Because I think just like, I think people think that's like a number in their heads, like I have to trade 10,000, 20,000, 30,000, like 90% of the people like, would actually be so profitable and make a fuck ton of money if they just said, hey, I'm cool with 2,000 shares, like I'm cool with 1,000 shares and like just trade that well and you'd be amazed at what your P&L will do. I remember when I was starting, when I first started getting consistent, consistent to me was $200 to $500 a day, right? I was using 1,500 to 2,000 shares and because 30% of that, you know, is only 600 shares, right? And I would, and it's just, I could do that now in my sleep because it's repetitive. Yeah, it's just I've done it, I have so much screen time, I've worked at it and it can just happen over and over again now. Oh yeah, it takes time. It doesn't happen overnight. Yeah, this is tough. I definitely agree. What types of setups would you say have been kind of the most profitable? Like you'd say first red day and the broken stock kind of set ups, I'd say. Absolutely, first red day. I am the worst, sorry, Tom. I am the worst low hanging fruit trader in the world. I don't know why, I can eat gout 10, 20 cents but I just suck at it. And I think it's funny like when you look at the watch list like you'll see Alex, like he's looking at the broken ones, you'll see Tom, Tom has his low hanging fruit watch list there, right? You'll see me, what I'm watching. Everyone has their own kind of style, their niche and what they put a lot of work into and what they're really, really good at. And I think if you just find, if there are some types of traders that James and I both know who only show up now for the first red day, they've made so much money that they show up for the first red day setup and that makes probably most of their year and they don't bother scalping on this fucking bullshit day to day. They wait for things like OCGN to run a couple of days. The day it cracks red, they hammer a hundred, 200,000 shares. Yeah. You know, considering that. Yeah, I think for a lot of people, man. It's, you know, I made what I made last year two weeks ago because of one. I mean, it's... Yeah, it's crazy. They're nice. Yeah, it's the best setup in small caps, too. It's the best setup. But like the day-to-day stuff, you're just paying yourself. It's like practicing and practicing. And then that fucking, like Alex says, that super wall comes and that's it. But... And you know why? Yeah, and you know why I'm here and James, why I probably couldn't do that is I have a tough time if I miss a day coming back in. You know, you could tell me it's the first red day, but I was late, the OCGN, I was late that day. That's why I didn't get enough shares on. I still did well, but I was late. I got to the desk at eight. So I was off. And if I'm off, so I don't know if I could take like three weeks off and oh, there's a first red day and let's hammer it. I mean, that's another skill. That's impressive. It is. I almost had to generate like I needed to trade every day. I needed to do something every day. A little bit of everything, but of course, there we all are, but as we're coming up as we're doing this for like 40 minutes, I guess David, like, and you kind of pieced it, but I want really quick, what are your best tips for new guys coming in that see people like experiencing with this fast success? What are your tips for them? And what's your advice for them to kind of go forward? If you are not before you trade, if you don't have the accelerator course, I get it. But if you're not doing the trading fish and all of Joe's videos before you trade one cent, I think you're making a mistake. And even then, I think you need to pick from there. You pick one strategy, you start out slow. You see if you like it, you try them all and you take it super slow. I'm not a big fan of paper trading. I do it. Well, I do it now to back test. And that was another thing I didn't even mention. I still go back and back test my trades for the week sometimes, especially if I lose. Love that. Love that. You gotta take it slow. If you think you're gonna join us, the way we do it, James gone, if you think you're gonna join us and get it done in a second and be done in a month and be trading, I think you're foolish. I really think you gotta take time and learn. And watch, it's screen time. And I remember Tosh said this to me a long way in the beginning when I first joined it, and you should, you know, paper trade and all this stuff. First time thinking, yeah, right, whatever. Yeah, I got smoked. I mean, I admit it. You know, the first month was like, ooh, and I stopped, had a big win, got smoked and I stopped. And then it started all kind of clicking. Man, you just gotta take it slow. And you know, I get a good tab. And sometimes your tab doesn't work out, get a new one. You gotta talk to a new one. And ask the mods. And it doesn't have to be the mods, ask the junior mods, ask questions and get on the phone with people. I mean, I was hesitant at first. I mean, I called Harry just because I wanted to see if it worked and I wasn't a long trader, but I just wanted to talk to someone. He said, yeah, I'll talk to you. We had a good conversation. So it wasn't, I don't even know if it was about trading. I don't remember. And it was just, you gotta take advantage of the way it's set up and you can do this. Anyone can. If you let greed in your ego get in the way, check it at the door. Actually that'd be my number one thing for people. Check your ego, greed at the door and do a bunch of, you know, learn and chill out. You know, I think that's good. I love it. Yeah, I think that's a good place to end it. That's why I'm good. That was a good little ending piece. You're gonna go watch the end of the recording? Yeah.