 Okay, so just very quick for the camera here, please state your name and age. Oh, all on Hunter is my name. I'm 79. And just over here, your name and age, please. Simon Granlich. Yes. 92. 92. 92. 92 years old. And last but not least. Don Hunt. And I may be three. Young fellow. Yeah. Okay, so where were you born? Well, I was born in Calgary. We lived in a place called poverty flats in Turner Valley. The bottom door of my address was my crib. It was pretty handy because when I stopped, I just shut the door. And at that time, what did your parents do? My father was a rough man. So I started out. Yeah, yeah, we'll get to that. But absolutely, did he at that time already work for Imperial Oil? Yes, he worked for Imperial Oil for a while. He started in 1923. So I was born in 1935. He worked for them for about 12 years. Except he was laid off during the Depression for two. So I think he had eight years. And where were you born? Provost, I think. Trophy with first baby boy. First baby boy born in the Provost foster. Yeah. That's right. Like, I was told that they were made by, you know, like, in Provost area. And I was first baby born in Provost foster. That's quite an honor. Well, I didn't know it. Yeah, okay. But, you know, that's the way it went. And growing up as a child, what did your parents do? My parents do. He spent a lot of time. Yeah, but we were not part of that project. Oh, there was a, there was a Stiles. He had a man with the, and he, they were, it was Peter. And the inspector came out and he had used some of their money. And it was cut off right now. So they, and all the Stiles, he had no money, you know what I mean. So they ran, they had about three boys. And so he had nothing. Yeah, it was pretty bad. But that's the way it went. He had to post office. Who you talking about? Your dad? No, no, no, no. But this Mr. Stiles, when they found that he had used some of the money, he had planned on putting it back. But the inspector came out and expected me. And of course the money wasn't there. So they fired him. So he was the one that told his size dad, you should try for that job because you're in the armed forces. So, you know, you couldn't work for the post office. So your father got that job. And he had a little store in the same building as the post office. And then he sold gas, right? Was that in Bodo? Yeah. Yeah. Bodo. Thank you. Thank you. Remember the big job at Bodo? Well, I went with the provost. Yeah, I think I'm sure I did. Thank you. That's how I said it one time. Oh, this is another story. We were going to, when I said that. Oh, we were in Hawaii. We were in Hawaii. And what happened? We had two other women. He had asked the bus driver, the tour bus driver, where would be the nicest place to go for dinner that night. And he said, oh, the Cocoa Falls. But he said, you'll never get in. They have to wait for two weeks. And I'll make an appointment and you wait for two weeks. So we stopped at the Cocoa Falls and we were just in our shorts. And I think he did have a shirt on. He goes in there and he said, I'd like a table for four, for tonight, for the dinner on the show. And she said, oh, sir, you know, if you'll be here two weeks from now, I can help you. He said, no, he said, I won't be here. But he said, I'm a pretty important person. So he said, you better write my name down. So she wrote his name down. And we went back to our motel, a hotel, whatever it was. And we told these two strange women, they had gotten a car and they were elderly like we are today. And so Sy said, I feel sorry for those two women. He said, I want to see if they want to amalgamate with us. So he went up and asked them and they said, we would love it. We can't really take in the scenery because she's driving and I'm looking at the map for her. She said, we just love that. So we had a wonderful time with them by a bigger car. So we told them, you know, to be ready at six o'clock and see if we could get into the Copacabana for supper. So we get in there and of course we're all dressed by that type. And Sy said, Simon Gramlich and friends. And she looks and she said, oh yes, your name is here. We bought a big side seat. Right there where they were entertaining, you know, doing the hoola dancing and all that. With the two older ladies. I want to say poot. Well, it was a good thing that he had said, you know, well write down my name just in case because I think it was a different girl when we came back later that night. She wrote it down. Oh, you got to be sharp. Oh, I think that's how you got me. Oh, there you go. It comes up. So if you turn over here. Mr. Hunt, where were you born? In Muslin, Saskatchewan. And what did your parents do? Well, my dad was a farmer. But then of course we dried out in the Thurgees. My mother was a telephone operator. So she took over the telephone office in a little town south of Regina at Radford. And we lived there for ten years. But I really never knew my dad. He was way all the time finding work. Well, he got work on a farm. And then they moved the rigs into Saskatchewan. So he went to work on the drill rigs. Who was it, Burns? Does he have a little push? Burns was a little... He worked on the rigs well through Saskatchewan and through the 40s. And then in 46, Tommy Douglas came on the scene. And he was going to nationalize the oil industry at Saskatchewan. So they moved both the drill and the rig to Saskatchewan. And that's when we moved it. My mother gave up the telephone office. And that's when we moved the builders. And then from then on it was probably most of the loop. So both dons, your fathers were already involved in the petroleum industry. But Si, how did you get into that business? If your father was mostly in for the post at least for a while? I don't... Well, you came out of the army. Yeah. And you were at home when the drilling rig from Saskatchewan came into the post. And I think that's when you joined Imperial War. Okay. My dad gave me a job on the rig. A mechanic. A mechanic. Okay. Yeah. So what did you do? What were you in the army? Were you a mechanic in the army? The army? I was marching. No, you were a dispatcher in the army. You were on a motorcycle. Yeah. You were a dispatcher. A dispatcher. Oh, yeah. Now that comes a little bit. I had a Harley to ride. And the British had that small one, but it was handier. And all the carriage... Mail, eh? And you take it at night. And you would go to the office when you came out to the plane. So what we had? We had one line shut. And then when we got out, we had... Yeah. So that's the way that went. Okay. And when you came back, that's when you started working for Imperial Oil as a mechanic. And were you on that journey with your father with, I guess, the dry holes first? Because Imperial Oil was about to give up with 133 dry holes. Well, Sai had started in Provost. Okay. So at that time, we'd been all over Saskatchewan. My dad had drilled about 10 dry holes. Imperial Oil had five rings of wildcats. So that's where the 133 came in. My dad never professed to drill all 133. I mean, he drilled about 10 or 12 or something. And one was at Provost. So Imperial Oil was a bit of a teaser. And then when Sai moved on, then we were signing off, we moved to the Duke. And drilled the Duke number one discovery. And that's Sai? In 1946. Well, we moved in 1946. And we'd run over Christmas. Yeah, I remember running out. So we'd go on talks. Talks, things that you'd do to get the animation. That's a talk call. Oh, talk. Yeah. Oh, you dropped it down the drill pipe. It's got a little dart in there. And it measures the angle that you're at. So if you're taking every once in a while, that makes sure you're not going crooked. Because you only have certain limits, you can drill them, and you've got them done. And then you fish it out, you take a look, and oh, you're okay. Then we had to put our hats on, and they were there for, uh, we might have a record change. I was, uh, had control of it, you know. Web stars? Web stars? I don't know what the hell was, but, uh, you could, uh, shut it off. Atarical. Atarical. No, that's not to do with you. Like, when we, uh... Drill sign test? Uh, anyway, anyway. It's, uh, bored. It's important. Well, they did run some drill sign tests, and then they had quarry. Yeah, yeah. Fire line quarry. We, uh, we always had control over it, and, you know, it was, uh, we had two hats there. Oh, the locomotives? Yeah. The damn good thing we're not drilling now. We'd be in damn bad trouble. Well, no, then we'd get back into it. No, it wasn't. And, and do you gentlemen remember, um, when you guys finally struck oil? I'd like to do number one, or? Oh, yeah. At least, because you were at 11? I was 11. Yeah, I remember. Yeah, I remember my dad coming. Don, I used to, I used to drive out with Don, his dad, in the truck. And, and with, and what was the dog name? Brownie. Brownie, yeah. The dog had to have the window seat. So were you out there that day that he came in? No, no, I, no, my dad, I was, he came home. I went out there when they brought in the tube, but that was morning. Yeah. That was a little later. I went out there a few days later. Yeah. But, uh, it was during the week. So, I just remember my dad got called out another night. Swabbing. Yeah. Is he still alive? No. 30 years ago. Oh. And, and were you there the first day? You guys struck oil for the Duke number one? Eight lines. As a mechanic? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. How was, uh, how was everyone's reaction to that? Well, I don't remember too much. Striking oil was kind of a novelty. Yeah. They, uh, it was, uh, you kind of remember the parties like that. What's the name of the party? The farmer. Oh, uh, Turner? Was it Turner? Was it Turner? Mike. Mike. Yeah. Did you have a big party or something? I don't, I didn't both side at that time. I think, I think he bought some whiskey. I think Mike turned to bought some whiskey. Yeah. And, uh, we had that birthday, the big truck. Yeah. Yeah. And we went with it to get whiskey. And, uh, they hooked up, uh, to have, uh, Turner all over it. And, uh, at that time, uh, you were, do you remember how old you were? You must have been about 24 or 25. Okay. Still, still pretty young. Well, didn't you board at Turner's? Were you one of the guys that boarded at Turner's? I don't think so. No. I think you boarded at Hatterson's. There's a couple of guys did. Mike. Yeah. I think you boarded with Anderson's and then later, I think you boarded at the Dukes. Yeah. The Puff Thickens. We had a girlfriend, Ruby Meduke. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Now the memory comes back. Ruby Meduke. And I think that was the first time that I met Donna. We went to, um, the Duke for the New Year's Eve Dads. Yeah. And so I wanted you to meet your mom and dad. So we went over to your place. Your dad wasn't in, but your mom was there. And you and Sherry were playing ping pong. And I thought they were like two really nice boys. Where would we be playing ping pong? On the table, on the dining room table. You lived in that big house there? Yeah. Oh, with playing on a Beatrice. Yeah, along the railroad track. Yeah, okay. Yeah. And so then we went to the dance. No, we got off the train. And his girlfriend and her girlfriend were at the train station. And when they saw me, they started singing, I want her. You can have her. She stood back for me. But I wasn't fat. He was bringing me into retornessness. Oh boy. Okay. So anyway, his next stop from Ladook. The great move to Maratharp. And that's where my hometown was. And he met me. So he met you when he moved there? Or was it already, he had met you before? When he moved to Maratharp after Ladook. Okay. So, so on his long change, he would go back to Ladook to see Ruby. His old girlfriend. One second. And then he, then the rake had sat for six weeks at Maratharp because the farmer wouldn't let, that was going to let you boys on the land in Ladook again wouldn't let the imperial on there unless they brought back the same grilling rig. No. That was Old Sander. Okay. Yeah. Had to be in a parallel palm tree. Yeah. The only rig that brought in Ladook none or what. Old Sander. Yeah. She knows more than I do. Well, I can just remember more. But anyway, so they were sent back to Ladook. So then on his long change in Ladook, then he would come to Maratharp to see me. Since change. He was always busy. So I think all of the, all of the guys on their rig would kind of like that until we got married. Yeah. And that settled down. And I didn't go wrong though. No. I guess not. I've lived longer than Ruby. She died many years ago. What they're saying is you made a hell of a good choice. Yeah. Pretty smart little things. Now you have to work on it. See. Yeah. I was 18. And he was 26. What? What's that? I was 18. You were 26. I don't know. Too late. Isn't that what they call jail bait today? Oh, no. 18 is okay. 18 is legal. 16 then maybe. 18 is all good. So do you add this question for everybody really? From Ladook number one on how did that change, whether it was right after years to come, how did that change the oil industry? And the company really? Well, first of all, we didn't really believe it. We thought maybe this is, had so many disappointments. The teaser. Yeah. You just, until they started moving in, other drillings, imperial oil, had two of their own weeks, but they hired some more. Other weeks and people started coming from all over. Walk from Turner Valley to people we knew. Excuse me. And then finally developed the town of Devon. That's kind of when it sunk in. It was a pretty big one. I'm pretty sure a lot of people knew it was a pretty big one. From the seismograph. But for us, it kind of took about a year or more to really sink in that this is really something. And then, of course, 48, they found redwater. They found gold and spike in 48. They started to find other fields. The general area they found, they found production. Pretty big lot of fields they found. I remember we had that big bertha truck. Yeah, big bertha. I remember that. Yeah. And we used to go to the bar and get more liquor. Get what, Si? More liquor. There's a good question. Was there, your guys' line of work with all the guys there, was that often, was drinking a big social trend? Oh, a big part of it. A big part of it, yeah. Well, not on the job. No. Okay. Yeah, there was, there was Johnny Morrill. There was a few, they had the odd drink. Oh, yeah. My dad would never put up with it. And what was the one that was chasing or the moment and he, she said, Oh, he doesn't. He, you see, oh, but I like it and then he cheats me and then, oh, he goes by, oh, I like it too. Was that his wife? No. You thought about Johnny, huh? Yeah, yeah. He was a good character. He did drink on the job. Oh, he was a good character. I worked for him. No, I did too. I like working for him because I, because he drank a lot. A lot of the other guys did too. So they weren't coming to work. And he'd always get to come get me because I told them I didn't drink. But I was working on the 16th. I was pretty broke. So I wanted to work on it. And he'd always come and get me. So year to 16, somebody didn't show up. So I really liked living on that rate because I was broke. I was making as much money as he was. So, so generally rule of thumb was if you drink, you're not, you're not working on the rate that day. And how were the, how were the working conditions? All right, let's compare them actually. How were the working conditions back in the day to, to today? They were good. I mean, they were good as far as I was concerned. Well, I'm in parallel with all the rates. It was how we could. Well, Johnny, Johnny, but he had such experienced motors that the rig ran better when he wasn't there. They were all pretty good. But if you, some of the contract rigs, they had a bigger turnover. Some of the working conditions were, were not so good. And some of the equipment was not so good. Like what, what are our examples? Oh, just the old equipment. Droger's trying to make too much time. Try to go deeper. Even you have an HR call. Well, I, when I was going to high school, I started to work for general patrol. Back on the lease group, building locations. I was going to high school then. And then, and then I worked in there a little while and they were short-handed on the rig. So I started working on the rig. And I had a hell of a deal when I was going to high school. I'd worked weekends, holidays for GP on the rigs. And I had a really good deal. And so I have a problem. He's getting there. Now, thinking back, thinking back to the 40s and working for GP and that, I really, really was doing good. I was going to high school and hell I was making, you know, six or $80 a weekend. Rough day. And then I worked a lot over time because they're always short-handed. And right after school, did you, you kept working in the industry? Well, right after school, actually, ESO started up some new rigs. And I'd been working with general patrol teams and my dad came home one time and he said, well, ESO is going to start up a couple of rigs. You want to go to work for ESP? So that's when I went to work for ESP. And, but it was good with them because they're always camp jobs. Where, you know, everything was found. Your wheels were found. You didn't have to rent any rooms or anything. So it was good. And of course, back then, we worked six weeks in and two weeks out. The Yellow Wave were very late. But that's the way it was. And how, if we take actual examples where they're like in the 40s and 50s, were there mandatory like hard hats, gloves? Yeah, they were hard hats. But they were those damn big heavy, heavy hats. Oh, they were good hard hats, actually. Yeah, they were mandatory. And they had them for some time. Again, the safety in some rigs maybe wasn't, they had so many green people with green drillers and tool pushers that they just didn't have the experience that the parallel zone rigs like Don's talked about and I worked on them. They were good. They were safe. Drillers were safe. And they looked after you. I never got hurt. I don't think I did. Well, I don't. I worked for GP for quite a bit too. Well, I worked for Peter Bodden for a while, too. I never had it. Yeah. If you were experienced, the guys, people who got hurt were the inexperienced, mostly. And did you see that often through your career? Yeah, later on when I was supervising rigs that I saw, because I had learned properly, the drillers I worked for, and my dad taught me. And Don's dad taught me the things on the rig because I worked with him or something. So when I was out supervising rigs, I knew most of the tricks and I knew I would shot a rig down if they weren't working safe. Or in some cases I went on the rig floor and showed the guy how to do it right. But I saw a lot of cases too where I had to shot rigs down. Yeah. And I had to go and show them. Because of how unexperienced they were? Yeah. In experience, just for instance, I was working over at Redwater. The driller was a friend of mine who I rough-naked with in Saskatchewan. Harold Forums. Remember Harold? Anyway, he was a driller and this one rough-naked was talking to God. He says, my chest is hurting me. I was watching him and he wasn't keeping a stiff arm on the tongs. So when they were breaking out the joint, the tongs would come and hit it with the chest. Break his ribs. I said to Harold, who was the driller, I said, why don't you go and show that guy how to do it right. He'd keep a stiff arm on it, so it comes back like that. Just something natural. But the kid didn't know it. So Harold says, ah, he'll probably just quit anyway. I said, wow, look, if you want me to shut this rig down, he can do that too. Well, okay, but I said, I'll go and show the kid. So I went and showed him. The kid learned. After the trip was over, he couldn't thank me. But I mean, that happens anywhere. I mean, in any job, whether you're working on the railroad or whether you're climbing telephone poles or whatever, safety is something that you have to instill in the workers as well as the management. And you got to be thinking about it all the time, so it's second nature. Yeah, it's a lot of people nowadays. They've gone to more hydraulic equipment. Everything's hydraulic. So the Roughnecks don't do as much. They've got joysticks and computers and everything's hydraulic. And they have to because the industry is still like that. They have so many rigs and not enough trained people. You keep getting people from Nova Scotia, P.E.I., Newfoundland, and all over the country, even the U.S. and they go to work on a rig that they just had to do something. So now all these rigs are way more modern and less mower. So it just had to be done. However, it's slower and it costs you more. How does it slow? It's just slower. I mean, this equipment like this. Yeah. Whereas it used to be. It was automatic. It was like a valet, really. And actually what you should do is you come out to little number one in August and we run that rig out there and we'll show you how we do it fast. Yeah, Cheryl was telling me. So, but it is, they had to do it. It was simple as that. There would be too many injuries. Speaking of, I guess, injuries or dangerous jobs, can you guys tell me a little bit about Atlantic 3 and what happened there? Yeah. Because you guys were called in, right? Well, the turn of law was, it was, Atlantic 3 was drilled by a company, an Atlantic oil company that was owned by or run by, What do you mean by that? Oh, what's the stadium in Calgary? McMahon? McMahon Stadium. It was by Frank McMahon. And he didn't really know that much about drilling, but he, they drilled into one of the best wells in the field with the oldest junkiest rig that he could find because all the good rigs were running. And so when he went to hire a rig, he got what was left over. And they, they didn't have the proper blow-up for vendors on it. And they didn't have enough surface casing. So, and they drilled into one of the best wells in the field. So they kept losing their mud. And finally it just got out of hand and somebody shot it in and it cratered under the surface casing because it wasn't deep enough. They didn't have enough surface casing. Yeah. Well, didn't Red Adair come out to that? Yeah. They had, well, they had a guy by the name of Myron McKinley. McKinley, yeah. Was the well killer, a well, well killer. And Red Adair worked for him at the time. Red Adair and Boots and Coots both all worked for McKinley. McKinley. McKinley. And Myron was probably the best in the world at that time. Yeah. But. At filling? At filling, well, well. Yeah. But that well couldn't be filled from the top. It had to be, it had to be what we call a whip stock. It had to directly drill from other wells. And so they always drill two. And that. In case one screws up. Found out on the Sagan, was that one of the first times that kind of technique was used? No, it had been used around the world. Yeah. But it was, directional drillers was pretty good argument. It was like playing the violin. You had to be good at it. Yeah. And so in order to, in those days, now it's easy. But. In those days they had to put wedges in the hole every once in a while to divert the dip. And they had instruments that told you what direction you were going and what angle. And so it was quite a, but what happened was, first of all, Atlantic never had enough money to kill it. It was producing 10,000 barrels a day on the ground. Now, they collected most of it and shipped it to Nisgar and the Duke. Finally they had a pipeline in. What was that bit, that they missed, they called it, it was, ah, it wasn't about a solid shaft, that waste you know that they put down no no well you mean bet you miss a video in the MISC or something and it's never was circulation Jerry saw dust and that's a man's and saw this ping-pong balls there's like 10,000 pounds of chicken feathers yeah they try a lot that's before it cratered they tried to plug it off and they would get circulation for a little while then they lose it again that they also they should have they should have set casing about the zone before they went into however they they didn't say and the parallel took the weather well the government took the conservation over and then they hired a parallel to to put it up and they brought a truck there no they brought Charlie visitor and tip wrong tip me from from South America he was imperial like you brought him in and they they actually were in charge just looking after them and it was making so much oil that it was actually the imperial oil wells across the road were losing production because yeah it was dragging down their production so it was actually producing more oil than was really under their quarter section so so I pray I was brought in and they looked after which started the wells actually and they actually got down with the first one the pump water down and that was enough to kill the well and then the second one went down actually hit the old hole just and then they pump cement down there and just build it right up so except for the surface so was the surface cleaned up pretty well that there's still some bear spots there but it's not the oil the oil the oil is biodegradable it's the salt water is it there's always a little bit of salt water comes up with oil and so there was so much oil still 10,000 barrels a day spilled on the ground that a little bit of salt water that soaked into the ground as left some bears bear spots and how long was it how long did it take to actually put it out I think it blew for about six months five or six months and the last few days it caught on fire didn't it yeah well that's another story that fire I think was the last five or six days what happened was the oil gushing up into the red sump and beside the ring finally it washed away parts of the rig and or the supports under the one leg of the rig and one day it took the rig the derrick fell into the hole and the next day my mother and I and Bernie Welch and his mother were going into the Duke and my mother stopped on the road right early the Duke number one museum is watching the well because we hadn't seen it since the derrick fell in well we're just watching that somebody said look it's on fire so we actually watched it catch fire yeah but it didn't explode there was just a little fire in the middle of the song you just see it kind of yeah yeah I just went I'm gonna start to run down the little the oil ran down the hill a little ways into some pits and then it was pumped from there into the pipeline so you can see the little flames running down the little rivers and then I remember my dad and a bunch of them come tearing out of the devils and around the corner and they got up with shovels and they threw dirt on these little rivers of flames and in the meantime they'd ordered a cap but they saved those pits from catching fire because there's probably yeah hundred thousand barrels of oil in those pits and how long did the fire last only about a week but not very long okay then the first well first let's talk well that was kind of lucky yeah yeah right because they saved 90% of the oil first again natural gas that comes up with the oil is lost so did the Atlantic 3 will more imperial oil actually end up making money out of that well I mean the stadium in Calgary isn't named after Frank McMahon because it's poor no well they say there was there was two other there's two other wells of that quarter section that was 11 produced but they never let him produce any more oil out of that one anyway what Russia he's named again Frank McMahon oh well who was turner he was the farmer yeah so anyway Frank they couldn't produce all out of that well again and but what what the government the reason the government had to take it over is because the the farmer had the mineral rates that's another story he he had so he had 12 and a half percent of any oil produced the landing had their share and then they had to calculate how much was down there and then any that was produced more than was under that quarter section they had to pay a period of oil for the oil that they stole across the road so it was a big it was a big job for the reservoir engineers with the conservation board to figure all that out and get everybody paid but of course McMahon made a lot of money as the farmer yeah now I was just wondering like because it must have waste a lot of time and cost a lot of money to all that effort to try and and fill it oh yeah well and and all those people had invoiced the government for the month okay the government actually handled the money which was the only way to do it and they hired a period oil to put it out and I don't think they paid them much either because a pretty long was happy to help yeah yeah yes mineral rates he moved into the city and he was laughing one day oh yeah my friend of mine went to see him one time who was that oh what's his name from the period no anyway it was Huey Leeper went in to see him Huey was telling the story went in to see in a bank knock on his door and no answer so he went around the back and he just got around the back he could hear the old guy talking to his wife and he said if oh what we're not buying a new washing machine a washboard was good enough for my mother it's good enough for you well I think all of the lives with him I'll start with a full washboard yeah for damn sure but but he had a million dollars so if we here I'll start with Mr. Hunt over here Mr. Hunt oh and I'll ask everybody here what's your fondest memory that ties into work or your career if you had to pick one we have to get a peel of many many things yeah or yeah one one that you remember I get them remember pills all the time you know again I flew ten years and in the round of drilling rigs and so I've had a lot of experience with the airplane and the weather and stuff like that I don't know so flying was definitely a yeah flying was a big part of my life that's that's neat not a lot of people get to say that me that's neat not a lot of people get to say they they flown for anybody yeah and in 1950 I think the drilling industry was really low I think maybe anyway they were doing Arctic they're doing geological work in the Arctic Islands and they wanted to try the type of plane I was flying so I ended up spend three and a half months flying in the Arctic Islands and I don't say that was something that I I really remember appreciate but anyway that was part of part of it is is flying part of that I was involved in and man was sleeping in the plane a couple nights and 40 below the weather and so so I had some experiences like that looking back it's fun yeah but don't you take a hockey team to Japan or somewhere no I I actually like the Japan and I don't remember why I went it wasn't a hockey team though starting hockey over there then you take horses over there or something yeah I saw a lot of horses over there and oh right by now you sold horses because was it from a farm you owned or yeah okay and and they were they were cow horses they work cattle and I sold horses into Germany and Holland and Italy Japan some of them went to Australia so you know again that was a big part of my life to the horse business besides you all business but you all businesses that's what put me in that that area so but what about what they call it Colby meets or something from Japan certain way that they did it didn't you bring that over I know I can't remember I haven't cut all these little articles out of the papers for what you don't that's why I thought that you had started some hockey team over there I was sure that I can't be that long well I remember you went on you told me a story Oh I want the hell that we go well we went to the states that you and then over to see that we're into I get to remember no I don't know why I have to think about it was involved in a lot of different things and a lot of them and I want to forget a lot of them was around a little whiskey yeah hell that's the big part of the old business too was the drinking yeah what's for me oh you didn't drink thank you and and over here what would be your fondest memories tied to to the oil and share your career I would say I would think that his comrades with the guys that he worked with because it's like he grew up in that depression here so he speaks fondly of those years because everybody helped each other there was no locked doors or you you just automatically helped your neighbor so he speaks fondly of that time and it's the same with his time with Imperial oil on the rakes you know all the guys pretty much got together socialized as well as work together and so there was a lot of crime what was a big go-to social activity for the guys I think most of it was people over to your home invited back stuff like that and of course they used to call them shop towns you know when we would be moving our houses every three months or so there was a lot of comradeship in that group because you weren't always welcomed with open arms to community I mean they like to see the think that the auto money was coming in but before Si came to my hometown we had already heard that the boys were coming and you know the boys in the hometown were not happy about that so you know they they would say all those rep mix well that's what they call them and you can't trust them they're you know Italians and what was your what was your fondest memory tied tied into your your life alongside well so it just newly went so it was like a big honeymoon and he had built our shack and I thought it was one of the nicest and when my mother came to visit us and she said is this fine to carry on and I took it that was going to be my life said well it's wonderful I know I really I was proud of our shack and I saw nothing wrong with that type of life that's you know oh I'm not I'm bringing all this stuff up one day we couldn't get any fuel because it was so cold and just at the end and just got it open and then we have fuel again you know yeah and he was the electrician in the camp yeah I guess that was that red water and that was something like that and then when we moved in the shack like you know you know we had no come you couldn't try it out of the park what was going on and the carburetor you see it went up and down and it was going and I had to finally take that because otherwise we were burned up you know let's go they met us move in the shaft when they were moving us oh and we were going down Jasper Avenue I never heard that one yeah maybe we're the only ones that were stupid enough to do well I remember Ben I reloaded an air shack with LC in it yeah yeah we have what with LC in it oh it's very nice we would be one of your fondest memories associated with your career one of them well I guess you know impressed me like that we got to move in the house with water we had a skidjack just like Dom's dad has built a skidjack and we'd build our skidjack and provost and I helped we only had one move for you provost I was the first baby born I used to deliver bread to the hospital yeah and a wagon I really like provost yeah I did that old abandoned hotel oh yeah and you know I remember one night I was playing hockey and after the hockey game of course it was 9 or 9 30 10 o'clock night I had my hockey bag on my shoulder and of course I come out of the hockey rink and we lived in an old abandoned hotel that old abandoned hotel and I'm walking down that side street and there's a guy behind me and I started to pick up a little speed he did too very soon I was running he would run and of course I run into the we lived in that old abandoned hotel and we're in the front the front entryway and I run in it I scared too I thought the guy was that run in there and I opened the door and kind of fell into the floor by off the year and everything and but actually I think all he was Jesus probably scared when I started to run he started to run too yeah you were side what wasn't all the ones that stole the fire truck wasn't it from the Eastland I think he might have been riding on it I don't know what he took the fire truck yeah I don't remember some of the rough mags stole the fire truck that was the fire hall well yeah we got the water there in the hall yeah and when it went up took off and we had the fire truck and I forgot all the hell but now they left the fire hall open because that was the well you went back to water but they were tearing around the siren going and then they got it stuck and they tore the transmission out and so then well the mountain came to my dad's yeah gave us all a hat to wear they were gonna throw them in the tail my dad made true well if he was one of them I thought he was but I might not sure what I don't know if you were one of the ones that took the truck fire truck yeah I thought he was you know I John I worked when I was funky I worked at the dance hall Jerry morning I we trade off each cell tickets and I take them and then we trade off and I sell them so that was the hell with you at the dance hall the guy you come in there plastered and we had a hell of a time there so honest people you know moral fire trucks yeah yeah but as far as you know I spent 45 years in the business and lived in there was a lot of good times yeah you could I spent six years working in the Arctic family I lived in normal Wells for two and a half years I was a that was a that was a good time there was no cut cut you know friends and if we'll end it soon there if I had to ask you a gentleman to if you were to speak to someone much much younger children or students what would be your piece of advice regarding regarding looking back at your career what would you tell them as as advice well I tour a lot of kids out with number one and I tell them tell them first of all to get an education and then look into the other industry to see what what they might be interested in because as you know from number one there's so many different aspects to the oil industry that I'm sure there's one for you no matter what your skill is a nurse geophysicist geologist pilots pilots what was my dream job geologist geologist yeah clip up yeah my son's I got a son that's a job so I mean mechanic it's no end there's no end of opportunity in the oil industry there's so many scientists yeah it was mechanic electronics really big electronics how they drill horizontal easy it's all electronics so but just like like I'm saying it's it's kind of a big family I've talked to people from Texas Louisiana and and we all talk the same way and they'll tell you the same thing that even over Canadian Americans we've got talking calm and I'm sure it's the same in iron forces it's other industries minors it's it's kind of a big family so that's what I'm Mr. Mr. Gramlich any any piece of advice sir or things you would say to to a much younger generation about their their career we're looking at back at your career well for one thing we had no nothing here you know like we all made it the same both kinds yeah we didn't know we didn't have anything and we didn't know what happened to make the best of it well war was just over you couldn't you didn't even have gasoline to drive gas coupons meat coupons sugar coupons yeah so you made the best of what you you had yeah and before we had skid shacks we moved from town to town like I went to 17 different schools so we moved from town to town and my mother and Harry Lyon would go ahead to the next town and find places for all the families didn't think come for the ring but you don't know that but so and it was a war well not in southern Saskatchewan was the lowest of low wasn't yeah we had try weekly train service if it didn't try this if it didn't make it this week it tried the next and and there was no fruit there was no came in twice a year remember the pop drop came twice a year that's all that's all there was now if you were in Regina or no different where Wilcox was okay but the train went through every day but but still you had to save your gas coupons case you had to move doctor of the dentist I mean signs are tough it was tough and plus everybody just among the depression as well and everybody had people overseas so I mean to get to work to get our job on a rig that paid good money like a rough neck on a rig made more than I worked on so I mean nature calls you know I really never knew my dad he was always the time then called we lived in the same house is your dad Jack Jack and the house caught fire just come out of school I could see this black smoke looks like it's close to our place so come running home looked up and there's your dad Jack throwing all the furniture which wasn't much under the window they broke the window and throwing everything cases and then they started throwing out their dishes and they were given the second story and you know what we all have for cupboards were just orange treats and they're even these orange crates out with the dishes and half of them broke and we're all my mother was out there yelling at the ghetto get out you know night I can't remember how they got out they must have I don't remember them climbing up the angle because I ran around the back and my mother was hauling all our stuff she was dragging it all the trunk and big with ox she's dragging that all out so I was helping her get our stuff and then Smiths lived in there I think there was four good stuff yeah somebody else looked upstairs where was that it I remember snuffie Smith and his wife moved to North or it ran a little trailer and I think they had what four or five kids and I thought it was so romantic sometimes it's wonderful to be looking at life through those covered glasses like that you know that I think that's why I never complained but I I still think fondly those times because you know to see they were they were good time but to see the great-grandchildren now and they're they're wonderful kids but they spend money like there's no tomorrow and you really can't really say anything to them yeah because they don't understand I mean they must have the money to spend it but so what would you what would your piece of advice be well the one thing side insisted that we never whatever we bought we had to pay for it full not to you'll find that no credit anything not to have to pay interest in anything and so you know we save up for a certain piece of furniture or a fridge whatever and so when we got that one thing it was like Chris it was just wonderful you really celebrated that I thought that appreciate yeah but now you know the kids they get married and what they would consider but they want the house and all like all that they left home they want that yeah when they get married not building up to it you know yeah I want it all now yeah they don't realize that they were never around when their parents built all of that no right yeah well of course the finance companies are good-shaped credit cards it we didn't have to borrow on so you need you needed to pay it in full you know like my my father and I'm sure yours he was poor five times you're poor when you're born then came the first world war you know tough then he got married so he's broke you know broke again then that's no then the depression depression comes along we have to work over again for a year and a half a year and a half he was two years from three or four luckily my mother got a job for a while and then I came along but I don't think I because my dad got a growing job yeah and then come along second row so that's five times in life yeah and he always said he dreaded another depression nothing else in his life did he fear more than having to be able to work again and you know that I was stuck with and I can always remember a mother saying oh you can't have that you can't have that even if they thought but you haven't got the money but there weren't too many people that had it like that was the one good thing saving grace really that we were sort of all in the same boat all the same you can feel like any class distinction but you know I feel sorry for the really poor like if they bought a TV you know you see what they're really rich with like yeah and well we had no idea we thought everybody like me and it's great most people did yeah yeah well I thought that's good Jack was wonderful too when we built it there was so nice after living in chicken poops what happened was my mother my linens have a trailer but my mother and Kerry would get houses for Smith's all the married guys yeah make sure that they had a place to live we moved to the hotel and and then we got what was left over so pretty tough we lived in some awesome places and have size sister and brother a great Jack the student they're doing a chicken food yeah and matter and you mr. Hunt if you had to to give one piece of advice looking back on your career what would it be well probably save your money first first place of advice years ago if you if a guy got was always quitting work and getting another job he used to think he was too reliable and how it's kind of and now it's an outside more of a trend yeah yeah you're right and now even it works like that with the government now it's contracts it's not it's not permanent jobs anymore so it works like that with a lot of places now well you know what that's a really good point because I I always thought because my dad for 34 years and I'm kind of glad I did and my dad always said he would never do that again what's that well stay with one company your whole career oh and the reason I think he said it was because you wind up with some pretty rock glasses you'll have a good one and then and that's why I just couldn't work for this guy I can't say it was dangerous it could but my dad always yeah well work for him very well he had some chances to go elsewhere but I can remember tell me stories and turn it out if he was rough neck a Canadian couldn't get a real man it was the head the head drilling manager was a California and he would bring in every alcoholic drillers from California give a job and so my dad morning leasing would work work in the same crew and they would work for these guys they knew more about the radio and then these guys and then they get fired another guy and now he's told me the story about the one guy they liked him because he only worked daylights the tool push my home he went down to the bootlegging joint which was also a problem and you would spend the night there and so when on afternoons he'd come and sign the book tool push wasn't there you go down to the bootlegging joint because prohibition was on for a couple years and and so he'd leave my dad and learning to run the ring well I think they work for him for a year and so they run the rate and they liked it because they got to run no problem big day turns great one shift it didn't like daylights so much because this guy was terrible he was a terrible killer kill the boy what what you're also pretty much filled warning this is a decent man well they were riding the block stuff oh yeah he's still here never looked up the dairy yeah so you just lift it up to break handle and the box got out but the box got hung up on the finger so the blocks are just sitting there and all the lines and all the lines coming down he's talking and finally my dad or somebody yelled at the guy and that kind of jarred the box and they fell off the finger and more he dropped them over and I guess the blocks were stuck and my dad said they had a prized fingers off the base with a screw morning yeah I did a lot of work with morning I got me sleep at one time but I admit I was sick and I told Joe to get somebody else to work for you couldn't get it when I went to work I agreed he said well dog but you're not you can rest so I was just a card chair I was all asleep I was really anyway you came and kicked the chair I learned to do it morning and he went and told Joe on the lease yeah I had a lot then Joe and him had a fight because Joe told me to do it yeah most of your family do they have are based in the old business as well just my son he's there well I know it's all your children well that's part of 3 of what that you interrupted and then my brain is gone we'll stop it here thanks a lot everybody