 To seal the breakfast and plow CV Africa, we head straight to our second conversation quickly. Insecurity and the need to bear arms. A former defense minister, General Ty Dangema, have again implored citizens to bear arms in self-defense, asking them to find out how bandits and terrorists are attacking them and also acquire their own arms. Now in 2018, General Ty Dangema made a similar call asking Nigerians to take arms and defend themselves since their safety is not guaranteed by Buhari's administration. Speaking at a recent event, he said when, and I quote, when I said the military was colluding with Am Bandit in 2017, the Minister of Defense made a kangaroo commission of inquiry that mischievously submitted that there was no evidence about my claim. They asked me to come and defend it. I thank God today all the evidence are very clear to all Nigerians. All Nigerian communities are now being sacked by the same Bandit and alleged that all this Bandit are also connected, you know, with it some of the two personals. Meanwhile, there are several governors and persons who have asked for citizens to bear arms. We're talking about self-defense as a way to tackle insecurity. Governor Belu Matawali of Zamfara State has joined some of his colleagues who have been encouraging their subject to leverage Section 33 of the 1999 Constitution to Defend Themselves Against Violent Non-State Actors. Governor Aminu Massary is also amongst them governor of Benware State Samuel O'Tom amongst others. We have Dixon Osaji who's a Global Security Analyst. Dixon, it's good to have you join us this morning. I'd like to share your thoughts as a way of tackling insecurity in the country. Do you think that there's need for us to bear arms? Is that the way out? Well, a lot of our people have come up with the decision to bear arms, like what Tewar Ghanji Ma said. He's always saying that on the point of honesty, because we believe that the security agents and the governments are very disappointed in the area of professional human lives. Nobody wants to wait for the government. So, the crux of the conversation for us this morning is the need to bear arms as a way to tackle the insecurity. And I know that Tewar Ghanji Ma, as much as this might be his second time of making this thought or asking that citizens actually bear arms, is not the only one on this table. Like we have mentioned, a lot of persons who are off the opinion that Nigerians and those who leave in this areas where there's a lot of crime and insecurity, especially attacks from terrorists and bandits should bear arms. But the question that's been posed or put out is, if this is the way out, I mean, bearing arms, would it be a solution? Not also forgetting the fact that the police has also come out to say, there's a ban on carrying arms that continues to stay. And it's something that's quite worrisome. Do we think that we're ready as a society to have everyone bearing arms? What becomes of us as a people? I would take a typical example with Nigerians just driving. Look at how we drive, especially in Lagos. Look at how impatient we can be with one another on the road and just imagine that everyone has to bear arms. It might just become a chaotic situation. If we look at developed climes, there's a call for gun control and now for developing countries as Niger, we also have on the other path asking a call for an arms to be built. Kofi, what are your thoughts on this really? Well, I mean, these calls are growing and increasing, like you rightly said. Merci with some state governors also calling their citizens to arm themselves. We talked about Matawali or Sanfara state. There's the same Matawali who significantly shut down four media houses in the state for covering the opposition campaigns in the state. So, he who comes to equity was coming clean hands, but that's beside, that's by the way. It shows the rising, the tide of insecurity in the country and that the government has failed in its responsibility to protect life and property. And I mean, people can't keep dying in silence. And you know what they say? Nature bores the vacuum. And if the government does not step in to nip insecurity in the bud, people will move on their own to defend themselves. It'll happen naturally. We think that despite the absence of state policing in Nigeria's constitution, different states in the country and so-called geopolitical zones are creating, have created their own security apparatus in the southwest. You have Omoteco in the southeast. You have Ibuwagu in some other states. You have different, for instance, in Bernice, they have this. It's because nature bores the vacuum and you have a security vacuum created by the government not doing its job to protect people and people can't remain and die in silence. So it will happen. It will happen. If nothing is done to ancient Nigerians, feel safe and secure. We will see a gradual... Merci, it's already happening. People are buying tasers. People are buying all sorts of weapons. Do you have one? I don't have one. Yes. And I mean, it's not your business, if I do. Stop asking me that question. Please. I don't have one. But you increasingly hear, you hear here and there, people talking about these things. You know we're talking about licensed guns now. But let's not forget, this is a gun. But you also, you can also take out, if you're saying that people should wear arms. And if you look at the definition of all of that, you also know that there are other weapons as much as they're not created for that particular purpose, but can also achieve the same purpose. We're talking about the machetes. You have all the weapons that... Yes. But I think, I mean, to own things like maybe stun guns and tasers, you need some, I think, I'm not sure in some kind of life. But people are, let's not be, let's stay on equivocally here, that the country's heavy weaponized, the country's heavily weaponized. And know some time ago, I think this year, we talked about weapons, small arms proliferation in Nigeria. Even we shouldn't be talking about small arms. Heavy weapon proliferation is also there. You know how many weapons are scattered around, you know, Lagos state, you know, weapons are scattered around River state. You know how many weapons are scattered around Abuja. People have these things around. There are weapons everywhere. And people feel that they need to keep these things around for any, if there's any fight, they need to know they have something to hold on to, their weapons. So I think what it is that we do not know the extent of how serious the situation is. Like I said, if people don't feel safe, even without a license, without official sanction, they will go ahead and get something to protect themselves. I listened to a gentleman, an NGO, a CSO, you know, participant, we have to go, who said he went for a conference, somewhere in Abuja. And there was a weapons contractor who called him to a room, on the guise of discussing civil society activities and not open the CSI, sell guns. So would you like to buy some? But there's an available supply. We understand. It might also be a little... And you know the law of supply. You know the law of supply and demand. But Kofi, if you look at it in the strata conversation, it might be within an elitist kind of gathering. How many persons would have access, if you talk about the fact that yes, they are weapons. And some of these weapons are falling in the hands of very, some people say criminally minded persons who have used this to mastermind a lot of evil. But my concern in all of this is that, I look at the number of persons who are asking that people should bear arms. Mostly you have governors, Matawali, you also have Tamwala, Tom, whatever you, they call there's a lot of them. My question is, should this governor's be asking for people to bear arms? Or should this governor's be concerned with the issue of resources, resource control, because he would go hand in hand. So sort of restructuring. Yes, restructuring. So rather than asking that people bear arms, we rather ask for a restructured kind of quality. If they can't get it, what do they do? Mercy, you need to know the number of young people. It's an interesting. You need to know the number of young people in this country who have guns. All right, we'll leave it at that. We'll leave it at that. We have to go. But please do any share to follow us on our social media platforms, you're on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, at Plus TV Africa and YouTube as well, at Plus TV Africa and Plus TV Africa Lifestyle. I am Mr. Boko, thanks for joining us. And my name is Kofi Bartels. We'll return tomorrow. Good morning.