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This is for the 2017 film release Jigsaw, which yes is the eighth film in the saw franchise the eighth No, it wasn't a reboot and a lot of people didn't understand what it was gonna be when they were working on it when they had a Nidgely oh the originally sorry rough morning when they originally Had the title put out there was called saw legacy and that was just kind of the working title So then they just ended up calling it jigsaw and people were like is this a reboot is this you know still in this Long-running story long running story so overall, I think it got very bad reception but To be honest, I didn't think it was that bad I really didn't but I you know I'll talk about my thoughts on it and like I said no spoilers So there are some things I kind of want to say about this But I can't say about this because with all my reviews I don't want to have spoilers in it because I want this to be open to everyone, you know, everyone can watch this So I watched this on Hulu just so everyone knows so if you're watching this When I post the review or close to when I post a review It should be available on Hulu if you have it so you can go ahead and watch it I originally had interest in seeing this film when it came out in 2017 But I was just like I don't know because I was one of those people. I was a huge fan of the first saw movie I really liked the second one as well the third one. I was like it's still fine the fourth one I enjoyed and then the fifth one I hated the sixth one. I was like man and the seventh one I was also like yeah, so I was one of those people who was very much exhausted with the saw franchise So it's I think it's good that they let a lot of time pass before they did another one But I know there's still a lot of people like myself who kind of saw oh There's a there's a saw cut film coming out now and people just rolled their eyes because I definitely rolled my eyes But I will say that Tobin Bell is in this like he's in every single one in varying ways So that doesn't give anything away because you don't know in what way if you've seen any other saw films You know he's in there in many different ways so I Had met him about two years ago when the film Before the film came out but not it was like a month or so before it came out And I remember talking to him about it being like what's the film gonna be like what are your feelings on it? And he was like you know, I think it's a pretty good update for now And it can kind of carry things into the future doing its its own thing But like staying with the saw franchise at the same time So he was very positive about it, but then again like you know, he's involved with it So I was like I don't really know what to think but nice guy by the way Tobin Bell very nice guy, and he's a very good actor I think underrated in my opinion, especially in the saw films. He does an outstanding job, but he's been in other stuff like was What the firm the movie the firm he was in the firm a lot of people forget that and my favorite role of his Actually, he was in x-files. There's one episode of him in x-files. It was awesome And he did such an amazing job, but anyway, let me talk more about this jigsaw So the writers for this one were Josh Stolberg and Pete Goldfinger and they had written films before they're like a Team that writes scripts together. They had written sorority row. I think it was like a 2009 film I haven't seen that one I didn't hear anything really good about it or anything and Piranha 3d Which I did see and I actually saw it in the theater because it was directed by Alexander Aja And I do like Alexander Aja because of his film high tension and then his remake of the Hills have eyes I thought was quite good Piranha 3d was just like, you know, it was fun. I kind of liked its tongue-in-cheek Along with the gore. So I thought it was successful for what that was supposed to be But that's a whole nother review So these these guys Josh Stolberg and Pete Goldfinger pitched the idea for this and Apparently Lionsgate had kind of been in the in a holding pattern on saw films Just saying we're not gonna do one unless Someone comes to us and it has an idea that we think is a good idea to carry it forward because after the sixth film They didn't like how poorly it had performed So they were had already said that they would do the seventh film and apparently the seventh film was supposed to be a two-parter But they were just like no after the poor performance of the sixth film You get one film to end it on the seventh and then we're gonna be done unless someone comes up with a really good idea So they felt like this was a really good idea. So they were like, all right, let's do this. It's been some years So they went forward the directors for it were Michael and Peter Spierig Who people might know some of the other films they've directed undead was one that was kind of like the first one that broke them on to I Mean that kind of like broke their careers got them in the Hollywood, which I've seen I'm pretty sure I've seen it and thought it was decent Then they did daybreakers With I think that had Ethan Hawke in it. I Think it had Ethan Hawker Maybe I'm getting confused because they also did predestination which had Ethan Hawke in it He might be in both of them. I can't remember. It's been a while. I haven't watched predestination I have watched daybreakers. I thought daybreakers was pretty solid And then they also directed the film Winchester, which was the year after they did jigsaw. So Yeah, the budget for this was actually ten million dollars and it ended up making a hundred and three million dollars in the box office so Lionsgate had to be pretty happy with that. They were like, all right We took a chance on letting the saw thing happen again and look we actually made some money on this one decent money So that's nice and a profit margin of that for a horror film Pretty good. I think because I feel like studios don't expect a whole lot profit-wise out of horror films, you know so this so the film actually supposed to take place ten years after the Sorry, I'm getting confused with the numbers here the seventh film. Oh my god. There was just so many Yes, so ten years after the seventh film is when it happens So one of the things that occurred to me initially from this is that the first trap that they introduced the the movie with the first game the first trap in the game is a Reuse like it's it's totally cribbed from another movie. I think it was the fifth movie actually and I was just kind of like I hope that's not how this is going to be where it's like very uninspired And they're just kind of like recycling traps and just making like little changes But it's almost the same trap and that happens a little bit throughout the film But you also do get some new traps So that's good My only thing with this is that if you're going to do another saw film if you're gonna do the eighth saw film And it's been a while and you're reintroducing this to people saying hey, let's give this another go I feel like all the traps all the kills need to be fresh Because that's one of the big things that pulls pulls people in because who are you trying to get with this? You're not trying to get someone who's never seen the saw films before you're pandering to the people who are saw fans So they've seen it all so if you show them some of the same stuff They're gonna roll their eyes and be like seen this before because that's what that's mainly what's gonna keep people coming back For these saw films. It's not necessarily the story. Although. I actually thought the story was not bad for this one It's it's those kills like that's what's gonna put people in those seats in the theater Because they're going to assume that the story is not gonna be that great because when you keep going With more films in a franchise like this people keep assuming that the story is not gonna be that good So what's gonna get them there the kills keeping the kills fresh and interesting? That's what's gonna get them there so I think If they're doing another one and they are and I'm gonna talk about that a little bit more at the end of this Fresh all fresh, please. You got to do that. That's what's gonna keep people coming back in my opinion So one thing that I it started making me think about during it Like is this just my mind wanders sometimes when I'm watching these movies because I have like these odd questions that pop up in My head, so I started thinking like Where do they just get all these materials like? When the games are set up, it's just like there's all these materials some of them You're just like oh, that's like junk. They just get it at a junkyard or something But like some of the stuff's a little more specialized than that and you're kind of like how do you just get that if you're Killing people and trying not to get caught, you know, it's I don't know. It's kind of weird I like how people get badly injured in this They're in pain for like a few seconds and then they're pretty much fine And that's one of the things in general that I have a problem with with horror films It's very unrealistic where people can take a lot of abuse have very bad injuries and then just be like oh God and like scream for like a few seconds and then like it cuts to the next scene and they're just like Okay, I'm feeling pretty good. I'm good And that's it play in this film and that that always gets me like at this point I kind of like accept it because it happens a lot in horror films, but at the same time, it's still so ridiculous I'm glad they went for the most part with practical effects in this film Because when they do have CG and they do have a little bit of CG in it The CG does not look good and especially because you're using a lot of practical effects in it that look good And then you use the CG It's never gonna look as good as the practical effects, especially practical effects that are done well So it's just it's one of those things. I want to see practical effects all the time I understand why they did some of the CG because it would bet it it would have been too hard to do practical effects wise and There is a CG portion at the very end that I thought was actually not bad But all the rest of the CG in it I thought was bad it looked bad in comparison to the practical effects So I kind of feel like for the most part you kind of have to pick one and Don't pick CG because it almost always sucks So I guess what I'm trying to say is just do practical effects or go ahead and just do all CG And I'll just crap on the film because you chose wrong There's a portion of this that speaks to the true crime obsession phenomenon So it is kind of like one of these social commentary films All the saw films have have done that for the most part They they make these kind of social commentaries, which you know, that's that's horror genre in general tends to do a lot of that And I felt like for 2017 this did a pretty decent job of making a few of those comments and one of those in there is kind of like the true crime obsession phenomena and One of the one of the things about that is it's kind of like For me personally like you can be interested in true crime and that's fine Like I am I listen to a lot of podcasts and watch documentaries and stuff like that But it's stepping over the line when people are Becoming obsessed with the killers themselves and start to kind of look at them as I don't want to say like idols or role models, but look at them as like celebrities in a sense and From what I hear that the most recent like Ted Bundy film with Zac Efron in it was a little too much of that where it's like a fandom type thing with a killer as opposed to Presenting the facts and this is a terrible thing, you know what I mean? So I just can't get into the whole fandom around killers I think that's sick and messed up and Not people would be idolized absolutely not and that stuff is at play in a lot of the saw films to be honest because you have people throughout the franchise who are kind of acolytes of jigsaw so It's kind of ties in Then There's a portion that mirrors some iconic Portions, I don't want to use portions too much, but I'm gonna there are portions of this film that that Mirror iconic portions of the very first saw film So I think that's kind of interesting but kind of stupid at the same time You know what I mean where it's like oh, I recognize that like that's a total callback from the first one But then it's kind of like we've gone a far way Do you really need to be doing that right now? It seems more like pandering in a sense But not a big deal. I thought the twists in this were pretty solid Not bad really. I heard a lot of people really didn't like the film But to be honest like I said in the beginning like I thought it was fine like it's not a bad film I thought they tried pretty hard I Said I think it was not bad because what else can you do with the saw film? You can't do anything too different and that's kind of the problem going into a film like this Okay, the first thing people would say is don't make another saw film Okay, but then when you accept the fact that they're making another saw film, what do you do with it? How do you? Continue that storyline or do you like do you reboot it people hate reboots for the most part? So I would say definitely don't reboot it. Do you stick with the storyline? I think you kind of have to stick with the storyline because it's this this weird situation We're like if you don't stick with the storyline you try to do something too different People are going to call it out and be like oh well it barely even fits into the franchise You I don't even know how you can call it a saw film But then if you go the opposite direction and you make it too much like all the other material then people are like Oh, well, you're just doing the exact same thing. There's nothing new here. What's wrong? So it's this very fine line that you really have to walk if you're gonna write this script now given that I Actually think that the writers did have did quite a good job for those confines There is that argument to make what should they have made it at all But I think when you just accept the premise that it is made and in these things will continue to be made You then have to temper your expectations in a sense and think What should they do and did they execute what they should do if they're actually doing another installment in this franchise? So I actually think they did a good job with that so you know But you know you guys have opinions go ahead and put it in the comments Did you think differently? Have you not seen it yet, but you will check it out? I would say check it out if you're a saw fan definitely just check it out just to know I will say this I Think I liked it more than five. I think I liked it more than six That's good Well, did I I think so it's been a long time. I'm sorry Seven also. I only saw seven once and I remember I saw in the theater and in 3d. That was dumb But um, yeah, I think it was better potentially better than seven as well actually So the final line in this there there is a final line of dialogue before The movie ends that final line of dialogue is terrible That is one thing that I was just I I laughed at it. I was just like this is That's a bad line of dialogue. They shouldn't have even had any dialogue to be honest It would have been More impactful if if there was no dialogue to end it because that that line was terrible You know what? I mean if you've seen it so be ready for the ninth film I already told you they're going to do a sequel to this one so that'll be the ninth installment in this soft franchise and um, I mean there are some places they can go with it but Might get kind of tough So I will say that they're going to have the same writers returning Which makes me feel like I am more interested to see it knowing that because I thought they handled it pretty well for this one So I'd be interested to see where they think this should go next Um, it's not going to be the same directors. The spirig brothers are not going to be doing it But they're going to bring back darin lin boseman who directed a bunch of the soft franchise So that's kind of cool. Um, obviously he knows how to get the right look He knows how to direct these to be saw films So that's kind of a cool thing and then there's a weird thing where chris rock. Yes the comedian Slash actor chris rock is going to be involved with this and I think he's in like a production role He's going to be a producer and I read I don't know if this is true or not I read that he's going to provide the story And then the the other guys are going to write the script I don't know it's weird and I was reading this thing like interview with chris rock where he was saying that like He's been a huge fan of the soft franchise from the first film and blah, blah, blah, blah So it's one of these things where like you hear this and you're just like That doesn't make sense that that person would be involved, but He's typecast is like a comedy guy. Maybe he really knows his horror stuff. I mean look at um, Look at someone like uh, uh, jordan peel You know, he was looked at as when when people heard he was going to do a horror film Get out people were just like he's a comedy guy. He did he did key and peel It's all sketch comedy and like he's great. He's funny. We all like him But how is that going to translate to horror? But it did he's been outstanding. So I don't know. I guess we'll just give it a shot That's the only thing you can do Um, but I I'll see the ninth one I probably will it might be another situation like this one where I get to it when I get to it I'm not going to go see it in the theater or anything because I'm not that enthused about it But I'll get to it eventually. So, uh, I will do my star rating I'm sorry. I forgot to do a star rating on my review for the bird with the crystal plumage If you watch that it would have been a four star by the way. So anyway, uh, so for this movie jigsaw the 2017 jigsaw Five stars in play half with half stars in play for out of five stars um I'm gonna give it a I'm gonna give it a three I'm gonna go three Uh solid enough and I think I thought about giving it a two and a half and just putting it solidly in the middle But I think when you think about the confines of expectations with the film and the fact that it is still in that soft franchise And is carrying the story forward Um, what can they do with it? So I'm gonna give it that half star bump because I thought they handled that aspect well So tempering expectations, you know, but anyway, thank you for checking out this review. Um, put your comments down there Have you seen this? What are your thoughts? I'm always interested to hear what people have to say about it. Also. What are your favorite saw films? 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