 All right happy Monday afternoon I guess Monday evening everybody and welcome to Iran book show the new format for the Iran book show Iran book show living objectivism that's hopefully a title hopefully a title that people would respond to broadcasting is live on Facebook as well for those of you want to see the video and those of you in block talk radio thanks for being here live with me and let me let me spend a little bit of time talking about the new formats of the shows and what's going to happen in the next few weeks so though things are things are pretty much in flux so changing everything's changing dramatically and we'll be changing and still trying to work up all the all the issues timetables and what exactly we'll be doing when and how and with whom and everything else so let's start with the fact that they are now two Iran book shows one that is broadcast every week on the blaze radio network live and then will be put up on SoundCloud and on iTunes under the Iran book show label so there will be a new iTunes account under the blaze radio network for Iran book those shows the blaze shows will also be uploaded onto block talk radio and therefore also feed into the old iTunes account which has all these all the old block talk radio shows so you'll be able to get them everywhere you'll be able to get them in whatever format you've been getting them in the past you'll be able to get them in a new format if you want to subscribe to the to the iTunes so the podcast from from the blaze you'll be able to get them where else is there on SoundCloud you'll be able to get them everywhere in addition we're going to try for most of shows to put them up on Facebook live and that any any show I do from home will be put up on on Facebook live I'm also working on setting up a system where I can stream the show to Facebook live and to YouTube live and maybe the periscope we'll see so so the idea is that you will be able to watch them live on all those platforms and be able to chat on all those platforms in the comment section and everything in addition to block talking and it's into the blaze and generally if you haven't subscribed yet to my YouTube channel you should because there's all the old shows that were on Facebook live have been put up being put up onto onto YouTube I'll be putting up a lot more content onto YouTube myself not just through the I mean Institute channel and other channels but I've created the Iran book channel now that a lot of the material be going up through that channel so subscribe there so the basic goal right now and you know you guys tell me from crazy or insane or what the basic goal right now is is to have a Iran book something everywhere on every social media platform I still have to break into Instagram and I don't know the other one and and maybe that's that's the next phase later but but let's get these so YouTube Facebook Facebook live blog talk SoundCloud and podcasting and all the podcasting stuff so all of that the idea is for the show to be up everywhere so that's so the two shows now as I was starting to say and both of them will be everywhere except that the blaze show will be the one on the blaze and then this show the living objectivism will not go up in the blaze that's the only difference but everything else everything will live in blog talk everything will live in the podcasting and so on so it gets complicated now try to put everything up on YouTube everything that we do videotape of will be up on YouTube and everything we do videotape up of of course will be in Facebook live as it is right now so no excuses you've got gazillions of platform to consume the show and let's see how big we can grow it so now the challenge is going to be once we get this all in place which I expect to take a few weeks we've also got a website coming the Iran book show comm website we will also have a patreon site to raise money specifically for the Iran book show so that'll go up probably mid-July so my guess is that by the end of July we'll have all the pieces in place everything will be in place for the Iran book show for YouTube for all these things we'll start thinking about what other things we could do in order to increase visibility and increase participation maybe some kind of live Q&As like Dave Rubin does on on YouTube and and other other similar things like that so and I'm open ideas so you can write to me at aliradio at icloud.com aliradio at icloud.com with ideas on other ways in which to leverage all the social media platforms and the kind of programming you would like to see so that we can get maximum exposure and and really fulfill all the different things that I want to do with these shows so the blade shows particularly focus on the blade show is to grow a maximum size audience it's really to get to non-objectivist it's to get the people who are either unfamiliar with Iron Man's work or new to Iron Man's work or maybe Red Atlas shrugged and see if we can have an impact on that audience that of course the challenge there is that the blaze audience is an older audience and I would like a younger audience and can we can we shift that audience can we get a a younger audience to listen to my show on the blaze or as a podcast so that's that's gonna be part of kind of the challenge going forward I have a feeling let me just let me just make a change I have a feeling that on that on lower the volume yeah I think that's better I think on on Facebook live the volume was too hot so I lowered the volume a little bit hopefully that helps I haven't seen any comments on Facebook live let's see anybody's even watching on Facebook live all right we've got South Korea we've got Michigan we've got a few people listening on watching on Facebook live so there's a few there but I think I think I just changed the volume and that's better all right so so we've got we've got the blaze oops still still seems hot every time I raise my voice okay so we've got the blaze and and that show I'm excited about that show is to expand the market to grow to really get to non-objectivist hopefully the blaze will use their marketing muscle four million people in the database to expose them to the idea of the show and we'll see we'll see where that takes us how that grows just for those of you skeptical about the blaze as I am a little bit as well they have guaranteed no restrictions on what I say so I will be as usual attacking religion stating a pro-abortion stance and you know pro immigration the rest of the things that I usually that I usually do so anyway all of that all of that will be out there that show the blaze show will be primarily dedicated to current events you know with a of course the philosophical spin so applying the objectives philosophy to current events the second show this show the show you're listening to right now is is going to be primarily dedicated to talking about the objectives philosophy and but primarily the application of the objectives philosophy let's be very clear I am not a philosopher I'm not a technical philosopher I'm you know truth is I'm not that interested in technical philosophy I'm interested in application how to live it how to apply it to your own life and I think that's a very very rich area there's a lot to talk about there's a lot to discuss today we'll be talking about productivity productiveness the virtue of productiveness and what that means in terms of how to live your life and the importance of it so you know we'll talk about the virtues here we'll talk about aesthetics here we'll talk about some current events but but from more philosophical perspective more principled perspective so but but again partially the success of this show even more so than the other show is going to be dependent on you it's going to be important for you to call in with questions relevant to the topic of the show make this interesting make this applicable to your lives try to focus your questions on the topic at hand whereas in the past we've gone all over the place with many of the topics here we'll try to stay a little bit more focused this is also be the air the place I think while we discussing things related to the what we'll call the objectives community to issues ideas that you know the objectives community seems to be struggling with so this is definitely going to be a show that's more insider more dedicated to people already dedicated to objectives already dedicated time ran at various levels beginners advanced students who who you know who want to have a forum want to have a place to be discussing or at least want to have a forum want to have a place to hear what I think about many of these issues and to give me some feedback on on this right now this show is scheduled for Mondays at 4 p.m. Pacific time but that up that'll change and it might this one's going to be somewhat flexible because this is a show that I plan to do from the road as I travel so for example I can already tell you the next week I will not be doing it at 4 p.m. on Monday because I'll be on a plane at 4 p.m. Pacific time on Monday so I'll probably be doing it later in the week for Puerto Rico I'll be in Puerto Rico next week and next week I'll tell you why I'm going to Puerto Rico it will also be so this will be a show that as I go to Europe as I go to Asia as I go to different places around the world I'll be doing it from those places and part of this show will be to tell you about how how how goes the battle if you will in the various parts of the world people seem to be interested in that aspect of the run book show as well so this is clearly a show that is more insider whereas the the blaze show is a show that is targeted at and pitched at the outside world and therefore will be primarily focused on teaching them about the objectives ideas through the application to current events we'll do some of that here but but at different emphasis different emphasis and we'll try to go deeper philosophically here I also hope to be able to bring people on this show from from the Institute philosophers and others to do some interviews and I've told you before I'm not a huge fan of interviews I don't think I would have a particularly competitive advantage at interviewing people I get a little bored with it to some extent but but I think this is the right format to do that so if we want to dig into deeper into a particular topic we'll bring it we'll do it here we'll bring in I don't know on Cargate or Greg Salamieri or some of other philosophers Tara Smith or maybe others to talk more deeply about a philosophical issue and and we'll do it on this show living objective objectivism again love to hear from you about topics you're curious about both so if you want you write to me about this particular show AI radio at iCloud comm there's also a your own book show Facebook page where there's an ongoing list of topics which I look at and I'm definitely going to use that as a 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everything else I mean adding another calendar another mechanism I would you communicate with you guys it's just too much of a hassle sorry as much as I love you it's just too it just becomes too hard to do it all so wait a minute are you guys hearing it it should be I don't know why some people are complaining about no sound on Facebook live there should be sound all right let's see what else what else logistics what else logistics as I said some people are joining now as I said that you know please sign up for my YouTube channel sign up for SoundCloud channel listen to as much of the show these shows as possible on the blaze the more the blaze gets a sense that a lot of people are actually you know actually listening to the show the more the more likely it is right the more likely it is that they will continue and expand the show and do more marketing around the show so we really if you guys can help me show them that the show is successful by listening to it through one of their channels that'll be incredibly helpful so anyway any questions if you have any questions you can call the show 347-324-3075 347-324-3075 so any questions about the logistics any questions about the nature of the shows you can call now 347-324-3075 once we get into productiveness let's start to focus the questions on that now I do have one call already so I assume this is more logistics questions as we haven't even started talking about any kind of issues hi you on your own book show who's this good evening hey Skyler I guess I had a hang up on you on the blaze because I ran out of time no I think my coffee it wasn't on your right alright well anyway thanks for calling I appreciate it thank you it was a privilege another sense of the word truly appreciate it the entire week it was exhilarating it was intellectual ammunition and spiritual fuel the whole time and I don't have a question just comment well fantastic I'm I mean I'm really glad you you enjoyed Ocon and I hope you come to all of them now and if all of you listening objective as conferences it's a fabulous six days of spending your time surrounded by people who share your values it's a fantastic place to both get get educated with with exciting talks get motivated by by motivating talks to get re-energized and many people who go don't want to leave many people who go you know get a real down after they leave and but it's you know Skyler was Skyler asked tons of questions during the sessions you were really involved and engaged and looked like you really had a good time so I'm glad you came and and and and by the way Skyler you there you gone yes oh okay and by the way next year it's in New Port Beach California so not far from where I live you already signed up that's fantastic thanks Cal I appreciate the call and with your dad Skyler's that can I say that's your dad what your dad does for living what he did for a living okay he told me something different all right he's a minister there you go so Skyler's dad's a minister so that that must make for great son you know Sunday evening conversations or Sunday morning or whatever conversations all right great Skyler so come with your dad you know maybe we'll convert him we'll see we're working on it great so all of you out there hope I hope you all come to Ocon 2018 in Newport Beach at California at the Marriott Hotel it's a great event I think if you sign up before the end of this month there's a big discount and I think the website's already up Ocon 2018 so you should definitely go and sign up massive discount if you sign up before the end of the month Skyler already has I'm sure lots of other people already have this year in Pittsburgh it was the largest objective is called largest objective is confidence in human history 55 off oh I just somebody on the check corrected me 55% off before tomorrow huh okay so it wasn't the end of the month it's before the 20th of June if you sign up before tomorrow 55% off so go to Ocon 2018 you can you know if you do a search you can find it online well you know Harley saying it's the wrong side of the country give me a break we live in an era of airplanes there is no wrong side of the country if I can go around the world to give talks in Mongolia you can come to California sunny beautiful unbelievable California to attend or you know a fantastic conference that I think you'll you will love you will love so all of you sign up before tomorrow she can get 55% 50 why that that's a massive discount there are no excuses I expect 500 people to register by tomorrow to take advantage of this of this massive discount so everybody everybody who's on the show right now you know go sign up all right let's see let's see all right so any questions on on the logistics hopefully not hopefully is everybody set everybody realize what they have to do they have to go sign up and follow me everywhere and say share share social media is not about comments it's not about liking it's not none of that 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tell me okay now talking about being productive which is what I'm talking about right you know producing stuff producing content and then and then marketing it marketing is a productive activity and and getting it out there getting into the world and and you know really having an impact and that's what we're trying to do here so I need your help and I hope you'll be okay today let's let's do the mental shift and and please as I said give us a call if you have a question about productiveness if you ever if you have a comment about productiveness of there's any particular aspect of this virtue that you'd like to discuss but one of the the idea productiveness is really the theme of the Ocon 2017 conference and one of the reasons we picked it as a theme is that it was at it was in Pittsburgh and I don't know how many of you know much about Pittsburgh Pittsburgh Pennsylvania but Pittsburgh was really one of the hubs of the American Industrial Revolution it was one of the places in which the Industrial Revolution was really happened during the 19th century in America and Pittsburgh flourished really until the 1950s in America and has been unfortunately in a steady decline since then although I have to say that's a beautiful beautiful city it's been cleaned up and and just gorgeous gorgeous views and downtown is nice and yeah it was it's a it's a it's a it's a really is a wonderful place but the focus was really on productiveness and and the focus I think at the conference was primarily on kind of a particular aspect of productiveness and that is the the love the love that as an objectivist one holds towards ability towards success towards production towards greatness in the field of production and how that is at the heart at the core of the philosophy of objective is the monk gave a great talk which will be up online at some point about relating that love of ability love of success love of production love of productiveness to the Industrial Revolution and relating that to Inran's ability to develop objectivism she had said she could have never come up with the with ideas behind rational egoism unless she had witnessed through history the success of the Industrial Revolution the role of reason in human mind of the human mind the role of ability that the ability of human beings to create the kind of wealth that was created during the Industrial Revolution and it's still being created around us today so you know it's it's this is a crucial part of of objectivism is this idea of the importance of productiveness so let's go over it a little bit and again here I would recommend everybody everybody read the section of productiveness in opa and maybe maybe in the future what I'll do is when I announce a topic like this I will give you some recommended readings to do before the show and then yeah I think that will enhance stuff and then you can also you can do the readings and you can also have prepared questions and have prepared comments about the readings and yeah alright so so we'll do that Angela's taking note she's listening in and and she'll make sure that I try to provide you some basic reading in the topic but generally if you haven't read opa by Dr. Lena Peacock Objectivism the philosophy of Inran which is the only really systemic presentation in writing of the entire philosophy you should and and his subsections his subchapters and things like productiveness and other things are crucial for my understanding of the objective's philosophy and for everybody's understanding and really seeing it as a system so why is productive and so important in objectivism well because of man's nature because of the particular animal man human beings are we are a being that does not have the ability to survive to thrive in nature by just picking berries and I don't know what else can you do I mean there's almost nothing we can do in the world out there there's almost nothing we can do to help us survive that does not require the use of human reason that does not apply require the application of reason to the problem of human survival so human beings do not survive by just embracing their environment this is by the way one of the things that makes the environmentalist movement so very evil it is the fact that it rejects this very principle it rejects this idea that human beings do not survive by embracing their environment human beings survive by changing their environment human beings survive by taking the environment and adapting it to themselves adapting it to their own lives to their own needs and are constantly growing constantly changing constantly evolving needs so I don't meet needs in the narrow what is meslovy and sense of air and water and food I mean meet needs in the fullest sense of needing a Beethoven symphony and needing computers and needing the internet and needing everything that you as a modern human being need in order to live a successful flourishing life but even at the most primitive level even at the end of the day at the level of food at the level of clothing at the level of shelter human beings cannot just survive by just being in their environment and by adapting to it now every other animal can plants just accept their environment and if they can't if they can't find water by going either root system looking for it or if they or if they can't find sunshine by moving their leaves around and trying to position themselves to get the sunshine they die but they either have to adapt to the environment around them or they die if you take a cheetah and put him in you know the ice cold of northern europe you'll die if you take a polar bear and put him in somewhere very very warm you know I think he'll die I'm not sure but there's no way for them to adapt the environment to their needs because basically animals are for them you know pre-programmed if you will to deal with a particular set of conditions a particular environment in which they have evolved to live and when that environment changes they are wiped out look at the dinosaurs the environment changes they're wiped out not all life on earth was wiped out but then the the the dinosaurs were wiped out because they couldn't evolve fast enough evolution takes too long to allow you to adapt biologically evolutionarily to a changing environment now human beings are very different human beings from the very beginning require require changing their environment for their own needs and if you can't change your environment that's when human beings would die or at least most human beings would die off a few might survive barely by by picking berries and collecting nuts but a very small population of human beings could survive that way and we can't build shelters and if we can't build fires and if we can't do all the things that actually require changing our environment then we would die off as a species but we don't because we do change our environment I mean we're not biologically designed to deal with cold we're not biologically designed to beat the sabertooth tiger we're not biologically designed if you will to survive really in this world it requires effort it requires a particular type of effort it requires a mental effort and then the willingness and the ability to execute our knowledge by changing our environment around us so from agriculture which somebody had to discover the principles behind some genius scientist who discovered the relationship between a seed and a plant and water to turning that into agriculture which is an engineering business entrepreneurial type of activity some genius some bogates every time figuring out okay there's a relationship between these things now i can turn this into an entire industry right to clothing to figuring out how to build a hut to figuring out how to build a skyscraper to figuring out how do you know how a computer works i certainly don't i mean i kind of know in vague theory but i have no real knowledge of how a computer works even though i i studied it you know i'm an engineer that's kind of embarrassing but all that requires huge amounts of knowledge huge amounts of knowledge just seeking knowledge the activity of seeking knowledge is at the core of what it means to be productive it's at the core of the virtual productiveness it's the idea of using one's mind to solve the problem of human existence of your own existence of your material needs the material needs that you acquire in order to exist so that's what the essence of productiveness is and it's it's a human requirement we we just cannot survive without it somebody has to think and act on those thoughts to change the environment around them in order to make all to make the materials that we need the material world in which we live hospitable to human life because nature surely ain't nature is not hospitable to human life we need to change our environment in order to make it hospital again this is the core of why the environmentalist movement is so evil because it rejects this idea it wants us it wants us to actively stop to prevent us from changing the environment in other words it wants us to prevent us from engaging in the activity that is necessary for our own survival all right all right so if you have any questions comments any areas you'd want to take this conversation 347-324-3075 347-324-3075 so let me pick up in his inopop discusses the fact that every virtue has a material and a spiritual dimension to it completely integrated there is no mind-bodied dichotomy uh in objectivism so mind and body integrated but there are aspects and there's a material aspect a body aspect and uh and a spiritual aspect a mind aspect and this idea of of human existence human material existence and the need to solve the problem of human existence the need to change our environment is that you know body side that's the the the material side of the virtue of productiveness all right we've got a call uh hi you're new on book show who's this hi this is Dan Harris you're on how are you hey Dan good how about you all right um I just wanted to um I just asked for some clarification on the role of government in environmental considerations if any I'll give you an example in my my i'm coming from the perspective of an objective this word sure sure um yeah I agree that a lot of the environmental movement is irrational and they're trying to basically destroy human productiveness but I want to play the advocate of the most rational part of that so let's say as an example for the historic example CFCs which you know the the the C's release in the air ended up mixing with ozone and neutralizing it and it's been discovered that no zone absorbs some potentially dangerous UV rays so um I guess I I agree so let's say I'm a I'm an environmentalist I agree humans should shape their environment but at the same time like I don't think you have the right to create an environment that is less inhabitable or more dangerous or something like that so is there a role in the government in that in those kinds of areas where it can be shown scientifically that let's say removing the oxygen from the atmosphere is you know bad so you shouldn't do that for ozone so is that a baby is that a baby on your lap or cat yeah it's my it's my 10 month old it's a 10 month old that's very cute um so let's let's try to separate out the scientific questions in the in the core of what you're asking because I don't want to get into the scientific questions because I don't know enough about them but look and let's also differentiate between what you're asking and I think you did that but between the the essence of the environmentalist movement which is what the environmentalist intellectuals are really driving at what we want if the issue is a safe environment environment in which human beings are not doing things that damage the health and safety of other human beings you know if that's the case then yeah the government has a role to play in in that and it always has played or mostly has played a role in that and I believe that if if um if we had a healthier court system and if we had a healthier government focused on the protection of individual rights it could deal with many of these environmental issues real the real environmental issues that come up so so in the case of uh you know dirty water dirty air you know everybody's for clean water clean air you know you can't spew out stuff from your factory that that that hurts me that one's relatively easy because a legal system would penalize the people who spew out the stuff that's clearly damaging to me and uh and take away the incentive to continue doing it if it was harmful enough you could even imagine a law pass saying you can't just spew cyanide into the air because it kills people right so it would be completely legitimate once the science was established once the science was unequivocal that there was there were certain actions that some people were taking and it was clear that it was causing real damage to other people that it should be stopped right that that you know it cannot continue yeah um it's a little bit that seems very closely aligned with what i was thinking yeah now it's a little tricky so it is tricky because there are periods in history and there are times in which for example the 19th century where the very nature of progress and industrialization requires polluting the air so you have to take so for example you know coal it's so cheap and so plentiful it's the only way in which the industrial revolution keep going but there's no question that that burning coal all over london um it created soot in the air the soot in the air was being breathed in by people was was hurting people was damaging them you can't but you can't then say okay we're gonna stop the industrial revolution because it's hurting some people so there has to be you have to take into account the significance of what is being done the extent to which is this done and the big picture so for example in the 19th century the big picture was life expectancy almost doubled in spite of the fact that there was soot in the air right and it doubled because of the wealth created by coal and which allowed for investment in research and in hospitals and in sanitary sanitation like building of sewage and building of all you know clean water and and and all this stuff so it it it has to whatever these laws are they have to take that into account so it's not simple so it's so the whole thing is not simple so for example you can't tomorrow say you know what uh you know i don't know if let's say it was scientifically true that the stuff that automobiles spew out of the exhaust is you know reduces people's lifespan by fill in the blank by some amount right by a month by a year i don't know whatever it is right so you can't say okay we're banning automobiles from california oh we're gonna raise the price of automobiles by five thousand dollars in order to put in some system that makes it cleaner at the end of the day the automobile is part of life you know you can't you can't just eradicate it in the name of in a world in which life expectancy is increasing you know to save a month from the total life expectancy at the end of the day if you really value that extra month more than you value automobiles then you move to montana right so leave california leave los angeles and move somewhere else that should be a choice and people should make that decision that's that's taking your life seriously it's up to the individual to evaluate the tradeoff in those situations right there's no question for example the working in a coal mine is dangerous and probably reduces on average life expectancy you can't ban coal mine work because of that but as long as that information is known people make a choice and it's a voluntary choice to work in a coal mine so it's not obvious how to apply all these things you see what i mean yes i do and i think you made another good point and that is depending on the scientific certainty and i i feel like that's like two problems of culture one is this environmental movement but there also is the attribute of the science you know scientific method and its applications and so absolutely i mean so much so much of science there is statistical modeling and and and their probability theory and then with regard to this and then the other thing is there's this principle is the principle that that you don't want to do anything that might cause damage even if you don't know it will cause damage so i forget the principle the precautionary principle right don't do anything you can't so what the expectation as scientifically today is that before you introduce a new technology you have to prove a negative that it won't do any damage which is impossible and so the standards of the FDA for drug approval the standards at the ppa for environmental stuff are so high because the burden of proof is on those who claim that it's safe and that's ludicrous right another misapplication of scientific principles yes and and very few people understand the scientific method not that i'm expert and not that i'm gonna articulate what the scientific method is right now but i don't think the scientific method is this this idea of falsifiability and this idea that comes out of the name of the philosopher just escaped my mind but you know this whole 20th century tradition of of science which i think is a is a is a is a false approach to the scientific method so it muddies the waters in dramatic fashion what truly is hurting human life and and what is not what really is a danger and what is not what way the government should intervene because it's protecting individual rights and which it's to just leave us alone to make decisions about risk that i believe adults can make decisions about you know poor people got on in the 19th century poor people in in europe got on boats and traveled to america without a penny in their pocket to start a new life if somebody in la feels like it the la is too polluted get off your butt get in your car and drive to montana and live there yoming and live there not that the people in montana yoming will particularly thank me for shipping all those losers to you but but yeah i mean if you value clean air more than civilization there's plenty of places in the world and in the united states with clean air so just do it so let individuals make those kind of choices about them yeah call papa is the name of the philosopher um who i met who i think who i think that a lot of harm to the scientific method to the post-life civic method but i can't talk about it because i don't know anything about it well i don't know enough i know enough just to be dangerous so we'll have to have an expert on sometime to talk about the scientific method and call papa um does so does that all make sense it does and i you know i i work in an environment where i'm with a rational leftist like and he's compartmentalized so on these issues like it seems completely irrational and then other issues he's completely rational but at least it's fun to have his base and so he brought up that where i was coming from was from his perspective so thank you for helping yeah yeah and you know again if you can objectively scientifically prove that something is causing damage to human life and that's something is not a requirement for civilization that is gonna call you know then then there's a viable case for the courts and the legislature ultimately getting involved and banning it but it the burden is very high it's very difficult and uh they usually are the mechanisms about you to deal with the situation all right good thank you so much for sure sure uh thanks for calling appreciate the involvement um let's see so where were we so productiveness every virtue every virtue has a material application and a uh and a spiritual application the material application of productivity seems to be pretty straightforward right you produce the stuff that you need in order to survive you produce the stuff that is requirement of human life clothing shelter food and everything else um but it's more than that right it's not just and and objective aesthetics is very clear about this life is not just to be lived okay right life is not just to be lived uh you know having water and food and shelter and whatever but human needs human wants and human needs are endless so it's the ongoing continuous production of material values that is productiveness it's in a sense never settling it's always being engaged in that process of creation it's what you know to a large extent makes us human that process of creation that process of production that process of manifesting our ideas intellectual ideas artistic ideas you know scientific ideas production ideas business ideas manifestation of all the ideas in reality that's what gives them a reality that's an essential part of what it means to be human it's to produce it's to make at whatever level of ability you have to make and to produce guided by your reason again at whatever level of ability you have it's that taking your ideas and applying them to reality whether you're a street sweeper or nuclear engineer on entrepreneur and silicon valley is is the the use of the mind applying it to a problem and solving that problem in reality out there creating something building something making something doing something different and that's what life is about and that's what work should be about it should be be about producing creating making applying one's reason it's so sad it's so sad and we get the spiritual element the spiritual element is more even more dramatically so to see people just going through the motions in a sense negating being a human being just acting like an animal doing what they're told not engaging their mind in the activity they're involved in not engaging their mind in making the world around them it's one way or another a better world so being productive creating building is an essential essential virtue in uh in objectivism and what is it some what is the purpose virtues after all are actions actions that lead to the good life action that lead to happiness action that lead to the attainment of values what is the primary value what is the central value that productiveness is targeted at achieving well in a sense it's it's necessary to achieve it of all values right you need to produce in order to consume you need to produce in you know in order to achieve the value of reason because you're using rationality in production so rationality is the recognition of reason as our means of knowledge our means of survival so productiveness really is a way and of course it's a necessary means of attaining self-esteem and we'll get to that in a little while but the one thing that it's really directly related to is the value of purpose oops i had the my book opened to a particular passage and of course that's gone great purpose purpose is one of the objectives called no values reason purpose and self-esteem purpose means that you have a goal in everything in mind in life that you have a higher care values that you are actively working to pursue that you have something in mind in every activity that you engage in in life that it's not random that it's not whatever you feel like doing that it isn't just cruising through life that there actually is a focal point a purpose a direction a goal that all your activities are leading towards right so i'm gonna retry try to find this section that i lost all right it's gone all right i wanted to quote something about purpose all right okay doesn't matter so in every activity in life in everything we do we should have a purpose and a goal think of how it work everything he does even when he's relaxing is purposeful the purpose might be to properly relax and what does it take to properly relax and how does one properly relax and with whom does one choose to properly relax or go on vacations i have have a have a good time that's not random that too is is is essentialized everything in how it works life is in a sense goal purpose directed if you think about all the heroes of iron rand's books think about iron rand she came to the united states young girl with nothing with with some english but nowhere near the kind of knowledge of english language that would allow her to write a novel like atlas shrug everything in her life from the moment she arrived in america till the publication of atlas shrug was targeted towards the publication of atlas shrug even though she didn't have atlas shrugged in mind but she knew she had to learn english because she wanted to be a writer she knew that the right and right and figure it out and become a better and better writer and use english and study english and learn english and know english read and write read and write read and write even if she had to do jobs that were you know relatively meaningless to her still productive she was still real good at them but that allowed her to earn enough money so she could in the evenings really really devote herself to a true productive activity which was writing you know so she worked as a clerk in the world world department became head of that department but that was just a means to a proper productiveness goal which was the writing but everything everything was focused towards one productive purpose right and so purpose this idea that we have to have a purpose in all that we do we have to have a reason to do it we have to have a goal to which we're striving towards and it can be happiness happiness is the outcome from achieving one's values happiness is not something you drive towards happiness is what happens to you it happens to you sounds too passive it it happens within you when you exercise the your virtues to attain your values it's the outcome it's the consequence right i mean here's a quote that phoenix has put up on on the chat the man of purpose defines explicitly abstract values and then in every area the specific object he seeks to gain are the values and the means by which to gain them so whether it's object whether it's knowledge whatever it is in every realm of your life romantic realm your your your career we'll talk about career in a minute your family how you treat your kids your vacation every one of those realms you should know what you're trying to achieve you should know what you're striving towards you should figure out what will lead to you achieving and succeeding in order to achieve your goals and you should make those as explicit as you can now you can't always because they it involves the future and involves certain uncertainties but to the extent you can you figure it out you plan and you create a hierarchy of values based on how important they are in achieving your purpose in achieving your goals in achieving your values so productive activity productive activity is is at the end of the day where we spend most of our life most of our time and there's a spiritual value for that there's a existential reason for that because many of us still need to work all of our lives to produce income all of our lives in order to sustain all the other values that we want a home a computer you know the opera all the other things that require the requires to sustain the income but even if you become fabulously rich because of your work why then do people continue working because it's the one area of our life in which we apply reason consistently we're always challenged mentally our minds are always being challenged we're always pushing ourselves we'll always have the opportunities to be creative to do new things to push the envelope that's why wealthy people continue working because it's fun and this goes to the spiritual aspect of of a productiveness because it's application of reason because reason is such an important value we have to exercise it we have to challenge ourselves we have to push ourselves and when we do that when we push ourselves and exercise our reason and achieve and succeed and attain values what is the reward for that well that's the third cardinal value that Aynman identifies right that self-esteem so when we apply reason to purpose apply reason to purpose we get self-esteem and our self-esteem allows us because we we're confident in ourselves we feel at home in this world that allows us to take on even bigger challenges that allows us to you know to push ourselves even further in terms of our career in terms of our purpose and in terms of applying reason applying our rational rationality our minds to greater and greater challenges greater and greater things you know like like i'm trying to do with this podcasting stuff and radio stuff and all these shows right taking it to the next level taking it the next lot you guys are cheating you're looking up the iron red lexicon on the purpose in you know i'm thumbing through opa see opa right there opa okay it doesn't work right there we go so you should all be reading opa so let me let me first say before we i want to talk more about the spiritual value of productiveness but you know one of the things that i've mentioned many times on the show and i actually get a lot of flack from some objectivist for this uh is how much i admire silicon valley and how much i admire the people who work in silicon valley and entrepreneurs and the creation and even people who i you know politically i'm completely opposed to i don't know zuckerberg and in most the ceo's of silicon valley what i admire about these people is their sense of purpose they have a vision they have an idea and they dedicated to that idea and they work hard and they change the world by focusing using their mind to achieve that vision that they have to achieve that purpose that they've set for themselves and they don't settle so you don't find uh i don't know apple saying okay we we did the personal computer that's fine we're done right steve jobs had to do an iphone and then i pad and then i watch and even though otherwise came out after him and he was trying to solve the problem of television he would say and you know he was always always trying to solve problems applying his mind constantly constantly throughout his adulthood to problems that existed in the world and and drove himself drove himself worked incredibly hard put the team together that he drove to work very very hard in order to solve so i mean the amount of respect i have for people like that is unbelievable versus armchair objectivist who set at home and spend most of their time on facebook and twitter complaining about the world bitching and complaining about the risks and the dangers and oh my god how bad things are and using objectivism as an excuse for their own failure in life and in their careers and then blaming the people in silicon value actually have a life have a career have a purpose have embraced dine rands core moral virtues implicitly complaining about those people because they get their politics wrong now i complain about those people because they get their politics wrong but first i say wow first i say thank you and first i say they are unbelievable moral people here's what dr. peacock writes in opal about this right iron man is the first thing to reject the mind body dichotomy methodologically by reference to the theory of reality and of concepts we'll get to that at some point not today that is why she's also the first fully to practice the virtue of justice in the present context she is the first to identify in terms of philosophical system the source of wealth and therefore the proper estimate of those who created next paragraph a productive man is a moral man period let me repeat that a productive man is a moral man in a more intellectually demanding and innovating fields he is the epitome of morality he deserves to be admired accordingly i love that paragraph let me repeat it because this so applies to silicon valley a productive man is a moral man in the more intellectually demanding and innovative fields he is the epitome of morality he deserves to be admired accordingly wow and this relates to the idea of love of ability which i in ran had think about all the heroes in her books and think about all the talks to businessmen the love of ability and i love the people in silicon valley because of the amazing things that they create and they produce now it's unlimited the silicon valley i love businessmen all over this country but what is it what does it say here whoops where did it go the more intellectually demanding and innovative fields the valley and everything represents is demanding intellectually demanding it's taking cutting its science and turning it into products that make my life and your life and everybody's life better it doesn't get any better than that it doesn't get any more admirable than that now yeah when they do something politically horrible you have to attack them you have to condemn them but within the context of how admiral they are as producers and if you take that approach if you take the approach of admiring productive ability admiring and loving productive ability loving admiring production and people are production and viewing productive production as moral productiveness as this key virtue then you know this applies to immigrants who come here to work to produce to create yeah some of them are bums some of them coming here to leech off the system condemn them but respect the ones who don't respect the one who want to have a want to make and create and build and produce don't start slashing back at immigration when people want to come to this country because it's still free enough for them to be able to be productive right now somebody's asking about elon musk look elon musk to be a crony to be a in a sense to base your all your production on government favors that's not productiveness that's you know that's being a crook that's and a crook is not productive right now elon musk is this real mixed case and i have a huge love hate relationship with him on the one hand he made his money at paypal which was real innovation real production and he has a vision to going to mars in 30 years which i think is just astounding for an entrepreneur to have a 30-year vision and to put in place a program to actually achieve that vision talk about goal direction action talk about having a purpose in life i mean that's amazing right and and i don't resent the fact that he gets his money in the space program from government because that's really right now the way the economy structured the only way to get it but i resent his solar energy plans i resent his tesla plans it's not just that you take government loan he gets subsidized heavily heavily heavily buy all these people right so uh elon musk is a very mixed case he's very difficult to have the right attitude towards and i have a very mixed view of elon musk as a consequence is look life is not simple where you can just say you know you just cut and dry admire hate admire hate admire hate the summits cases i admire and hate elon musk right now we're gonna get to a question ethan asked um in a few minutes uh but but so let me let me deal let's say so so i just want to make the case that being productive is is at the core of what it means to be model and be successful at production requires that one be successful at least in the realm of production in the other virtues of objectivism you're not going to be successful in your career in production if you're not honest if you don't have integrity if you don't have a sense of justice in the way you treat your employees if you don't have pride think of steve jobs right and of course if you're not rational forget it right so achievement and success in productiveness in you know in the world of production is an indication at least that in that realm of life at least you have been a model person you have been honest you've had integrity and you have used your mind and what is more important in objectivism than the fact that you have used your mind to better your life to solve the problems that exist around you to make life to make the world a better place i mean that's just so to me again the people in silicon valley are incredible productive and and they're being egoistic about it i mean and you watch them you see them you see the level of enjoyment you see the fun they have you see the excitement they have in bringing out a new product the fun they have it's starting a company and innovating and producing being serial entrepreneurs and even after you've made 20 billion dollars doing it all again and going for more right think of michael dell who's i don't know what 20 billion dollars it just risked a huge amount of his wealth and taking uh his company del private and then uh merging it with emc i think it's emc with the largest takeover in technology history right and trying to create something even bigger than del ever was and maybe in the process becoming the richest man in the world but i can tell you michael dell doesn't know what to do with the money you already has there's no way he can spend it but why is money important in that place because it's a way to measure how successful you're it's a way to measure how productive you've been i mean think of the virtue that that takes think of the rationality that takes the drive the purposefulness that that takes and the self-esteem i made 20 billion i'm gonna make another i mean wow so i love these guys i love these people and their politics you know if that were the only problem in the world we could solve it everybody was as productive and creative and innovative and purposefulness and rational as people in silicon valley then we could deal we could deal with their politics i'm convinced we can convince them that their politics is wrong but try to convince people who don't want to work try to convince people who don't use their minds try to convince people who drift through life who don't engage with reality to be moral that's much harder that is so much more hard so um anyway that's again my pitch for silicon valley you'll get that a lot for me because nothing ticks me off more than objectivists who who condemn and and berate the great entrepreneurs of our era and who focus exclusively on politics as if politics is a primary when when morality is is so much more important and and you know commit the injustice the injustice i believe it's an injustice of not recognizing the the amazing achievements of the great entrepreneurs of our era i mean we we we complain of bimone about how the robber barons were treated but if we as objectivists don't treat the great industrialists the great innovators the great producers of today with respect and what do we expect of other people who are not objectivists how they treat how to treat the um the robber you know the the the great producers of the 19th century all right i found that the the the quotes on um on purpose so here it is uh you know explicitly the principle of purpose means conscious goal directiveness in every aspect of one's existence where choice applies right the manner purpose defines explicitly his abstract values are then in every area the specific objects are seeking gain by means of which to gain them right i think that was uh the quote i i had before he is the person with a passionate ambition for values i love this quote right so the the manner purpose right the manner purpose is a person with a passionate ambition for values he knows what he loves he knows what he wants he knows what he wants to act to gain or keep he cherishes it it's a man who wants every moment and step in his life to count in their service there's no downtime there's something to be gained there's a purpose to every activity now again relaxation there's a purpose for relaxation so i'm not saying you have to work you know all the time oh wow i'm making faces on facebook live that's quite quite entertaining you guys are missing missing out um the you know the process of pursuing values is itself a value that is getting yourself into that process of thinking in that way of going after your values identifying them knowing what you love having a high key what's more important what's less important what are you going after now what are you going after later and watching those values evolve as you evolve as you grow up as you mature as your context of knowledge changes man that is so much fun and that that means a dynamic exciting career and this is this is the thing about productiveness it's not just about doing work right it's about having a purpose which means having a career because there is no realm of human activity where one can apply purpose one can strive towards purpose more than in one's career it is integrate so many of one's values it integrates so much of one's life again i think i mentioned this earlier it's not an accident that we spend most of our time at work not with our family not watching television not relaxing on the beach at work even when we're billionaires we spend most of our time at work why because it is the it is the activity that integrates most of our values that we're striving towards and the most important value reason using our minds challenging ourselves in the realm of thinking that's the most important thing and that's where one's career one's work if it's good work if it's the right work if it's challenging work that's where one can really do it and that's where one that's why career is so so fundamentally important to anybody who values his own life and this relates again so this is the kind of the spiritual side of the of the this is the mind side of the of this issue of productiveness right productiveness is first of all material in the sense that i need them and i need to produce the things in order to survive so i can live so i can thrive so i can be successful so i can buy a home so i can go to opera so i can buy beautiful paintings so i can do all those things but it's more than that right it's what sustains us spiritually it's what sustains one emotionally it's what sustains one's life it what makes life interesting and fun i can imagine not having somewhere where you can be challenged every day where you can push the envelope where you can be creative where you could do things in a new way potentially every day but that's what work should be it should be challenging it should be exciting it should be pushing you challenging you and challenging in a very particular way for the most part and that is mentally challenging your mind now granted if you're an athlete you're challenging your body primarily but even there think about what it takes to be a great athlete today the discipline the discipline of mind and also the science that all the the science that goes into in a sense producing a great athlete today it's not a static thing and you can't be an athlete i mean if you look at the great athletes they're almost all smart people and people who take their lives seriously and people who apply their mind to figuring out how to be the best athlete in the world how to structure their lives in a way to be the best athletes in the world and how to you know overcome temptations and and and and really pursue values and stick with those values and be committed to those values i mean it's admirable when i see somebody like you know Phelps and what he had what he went through in order to become the greatest swimmer in human history i mean people talk about that as a sacrifice that's bizarre that was his highest value his career his central purpose in life and it's important to have a central purpose in life because if you have a central purpose in life then all your other purposes you can evaluate them based on how they fit into that central purpose so you can have at the end of the day one hierarchy of values instead of competing hierarchies of values so that all you do in life drives towards one direction and that central purpose in life is a career it's hard to imagine a different one now granted once you retire and you get older at a certain age or when you want to do things that they're a little differently then you have to find a different central purpose but in a sense whatever that new central purpose that hobby or whatever becomes the equivalent to career and raising kids for a mother can be a central purpose right you know managing a household raising kids that can be a career but it needs to be taken seriously just like any career should to be taken seriously and then it has to be the integrating factor that integrates all your values towards one purpose and this is what keeps us spiritually going spiritually alive spiritually engaged spiritually challenged in other words it's what challenges our mind is having a career having a purpose a constant purpose not a purpose can change the career can change i mean serial entrepreneurs right they change the company i've had i don't know five careers in my life and one has to accept that when not everybody knows exactly when they want to be in life you you know a lot of people sound like how it worked i didn't know what i wanted to be in life i i didn't really you know find what i really wanted to be in life until i was i don't know 40 but every time i looked every time i engaged in some activity i don't know civil engineer or student or a teacher a professor that became my central purpose now i always dabbled in other things and i think i always dabbled in other things because something in me always knew that that was not enough that whatever it was being an engineer or being a student or being a even a teacher was not enough for me a finance professor so i always had other stuff going on until i found what i really passionate about which is this right and it evolves right so so it's not like you wake up on morning when you're 18 you know exactly what you want to do and then everything in life is going to figure that out and then you died 95 having fulfilled exactly that which you woke up at 18 knowing what to do that's not how life works for most of us you know some people does they are the hard works you know exactly what they want to be and everything is driven towards that and they succeed in that and they continue to succeed in that because and it's always challenging because there are always new challenges to engage in and but that's not everybody sometimes you have to try different things it takes time to find a career often but every time you try you put everything you have into it you take it seriously and in many respects the virtual productiveness is about taking your life seriously taking reason purpose self-esteem seriously taking the fact that you have values seriously and then acting you know to attain those values and that's you know you you can't attain values unless you're being productive unless you're creating something and again that's true true at every every every single level. Phoenix is mentioning this movie Wonder Woman she knew what she wanted from where she was very young I don't know I'm you know I'm sworn off all superhero movies so I suspect I'm not even going to see Wonder Woman because I've sworn off all superhero movies if you if you if you want to know why you can ask me. So any questions any questions about productiveness you can call 347-324-3075 or you can write a short question on on facebook live on the chat if you write a short question I can get it but you can call 347-324-3075 any questions on this virtual productiveness how to apply it what it means what it okay we got somebody we got somebody calling in hey you're in the Iran book show who's this. Hey Iran this is Mark Kuldron from Michigan. Hey Mark hey Mark's the guy who started the Iran book show Facebook page so thank you Mark really appreciate it and enjoyed meeting you at Ocon. Yeah it was it was great great to meet you I think it was the third time I met you. Oh okay sorry you know I'm I'm happy to manage the group. I think I think I was I was roasted in the final banquet by a comedian and one of the things he mentioned was my lack of memory and my lack of ability to remember anybody so I apologize to everybody who I don't remember. Well you're at their meeting thousands of people doing doing our work for us. Yeah I appreciate that. We appreciate it. Yep so I had a question about central purpose and you you basically just summarized it where it's your central concern and then it establishes the hierarchy or relative importance of all your other values and if it's if it's your career and you make that your central purpose I have difficulty understanding how like like values like a family or improving the political culture can integrate with a central purpose that's my career so I want to create great things as a mechanical engineer but I also want to fall in love and raise kids which would be amazing and help improve the culture towards the reason and capitalism which would be great so how how do those actually fill in and integrate with being a great mechanical engineer. Good question. I get that I asked for a challenging question I got one. So let's I think the easier one is to talk about political change and the fact that we want political change. I mean what can separate the fact that a big reason for wanting political change is to be able to pursue one central purpose more effectively in a freer environment to benefit more from from one's career to make more money to be freer to expand and go in directions one couldn't even imagine going in so I think actually the political one is easy to relate and but and indeed it's not a key feature of your career as a mechanical engineer so you're going to spend some time on it but not a lot of time on it you're going to spend more time pursuing more knowledge around mechanical engineering and pursuing opportunities to improve your job prospects and the kind of challenges you face in the kind of career you're going to have than you would otherwise so I think in the hierarchy political change is there but it's not very high and that's why indeed you devote less time and less money to political change than you should devote to actually pursuing a part you know a meaningful career and a meaningful activity on the other hand if things get really bad then you realize that your career is lost you won't be able to have a career if if you know the fastest takeover America so as things get worse the value of fighting for a better world increases does that make sense yeah yeah especially as you see government control really takeover industries they could outlaw the entire petroleum engineering field yep they they're gonna they're slowing down medical device innovations and everything and everything government government is destroying field after field after field so that one that integration is relatively easy so let's do family because that's a little harder so so if the central purpose of is is the central purpose in life is one's career then why pursue a romantic relationship and why even consider raising children who are who are incredibly time consuming and and demand a lot from from a human being it's not easy to raise raise children and I'd say because it's a central purpose which doesn't mean it's an only purpose and and one in order to achieve one's central purpose one has to recognize one's needs as a human being and the fact is that not all one's needs as a human beings are satisfied by productive work some needs as one and if one ignores those other needs other needs that are not central but it's still real needs the requirements of human survival the requirements of human flourishing requirements of of being a success as a human being if one ignores those needs ultimately one's ability to pursue one's central purpose will be damaged so for example you know I I believe sex is is a is a real need not in the sense that you have to have sex and you know go use prostitutes if nothing else happens because you just have to have that you know you have to ejaculate ejaculate or something something like that but sex is a need in terms of the spiritual need that whatever it is that we get from sex that spiritual and emotional recharging joy happiness that we get from that is so valuable and gives us so much pleasure that it enhances our ability to be productive and be successful in other areas of our life having somebody you love at home makes it so much easier to leave and produce and create and and and when you get home exhausted be able to then you know relate to somebody who understands what you're going through and supports you and allows you to get up the next morning and go do it again right think about how damaging Lilian is to to Reader to his life yeah so he ignores right in the fountain it he ignores it not in the fountain it what am i saying in out of shock but it's damaging to him it it chips away at him it reduces his motivation it makes it everything harder for him right imagine if you had a loving wife at home reared and imagine how successful reared and could have been if he was completely utterly motivated and and and even if he'd spend he would have spent less time at work right which he would have he would have spent less time at work because part of he's spending time at work to escape having to face his family but imagine if he spent less time at work but he'd be so much more productive when he was at work because he wouldn't be torn about his family and about the guilt and about the you know the horrible situation he gets when he gets at home right so family particularly having a romantic relationship in particular is integral to having a career it's so important to having a successful career and without it it's very difficult i think to actually achieve a successful career particularly romantic love family is more difficult and that's why you don't have to be committed to having a family you have to understand the values you're going to get from having kids and and and have that as part and parcel of what it means to be you know have that as as a real value and a real need for you that is fulfilled and and integrate that with your career and and your purpose in life so does that is that satisfactory an answer i think so it also reminds me a bit of einrein's point about the purpose of art how you're achieving and then every once in a while you need you need to pause and get reminded of the big picture and bring your abstract principles down to the perceptual level absolutely or with your romantic partner just get the psychological visibility of them reminding you that yeah you're doing a good job you you're an awesome person and that's i think required for self-esteem which is then self-esteem is very helpful for for for productiveness and but think about think about art is primarily dealing with the metaphysical value judgments and metaphysics really really big concepts big ideas and and and relationships friendships family a romantic partner sex is all dealing with um you know with with led me the physical more moral more you know values so yes it's all in the same kind of pattern we're not one dimensional beings it's not about life it's not just about applying our reason to a central purpose there's other things that lead that make it possible for us with complex psychological beings that require art and sex and family some people if it's a good family right friendship let's let's unify all those under love they require love in order to sustain the energy over a lifetime to pursue our central purpose that's not a bad formulation so all of those things are part of that part of that sustained energy part of providing the fuel that makes that possible the central purpose is central everything else integrates but but you can't have so you can't have things that contradict with the central purpose and and sometimes you do a child gets sick you have to give up a career for a while to take care of a child but it's always about getting back to that right so because you know you have responsibilities once you have a child you can't just ignore them even if it's diverting you from your central purpose but one of the beauties of objectivism is that everything is integrated i mean i mean i used to play they used to play this game in the collective days with concepts in a hat and used to pull out two concepts and then you'd have to find show how they were integrated show how they were integrated um so um anyway now so all right so does that make sense yeah i think it was a better answer good thanks very much good sure thank you all right we're about out of out of time i mean this show i'm going to try to do an hour and a half i don't want to do it two hours that's a little long um but um this is the new format hopefully we'll have an opportunity delve into more philosophical questions they won't always be philosophical but hopefully what we talked about today increased your understanding of the virtual productiveness and and what it really means and and how to apply it there's still a lot to talk about uh there's still a lot to talk about and uh there's still a lot to talk about about productiveness and uh you know somebody on the chat has brought up some answers that dr. peacock has answered that relate to some of these things so it would be it would be if uh dr. peacock uh linda peacock agrees with me and all this stuff i think he does most of it comes out of opa all right so um read opa um market this show market other shows got a lot going on under the banner of the uran book show we want to make this a a major big you know podcasting youtube being facebook live in empire there should be hundreds of thousands hundreds of thousands of listeners and followers and so on not sure what the topic is next week i'll i'll i'll try to give you a few days notice before before each show and give you give you the topic if you have ideas keep sending them ari radio.com i did not get to um to ethan's question but i will get it quite it's a good question um and and maybe we'll show do a show about altruism and we'll talk about that question as well because it relates altruism to production um and um we'll talk next week sometime it won't be exactly on a monday as i said at the beginning of the show i'll i'll give you plenty of notice but it'll be sometime sometime later in the week on monday next week i will be um i rest in peace my question no i'm not i'm you know i will get to it i promise i promise right i just don't want to go for two hours today so i'm gonna have to give it give it a call so let's talk next time about altruism and productiveness which is the heart of the heart of ethan's question altruism of productiveness uh and um and we'll talk about other aspects of altruism as well so angela if you're there altruism of productiveness we're going to do next week so we answer ethan's question because he's getting impatient with me right all right it was it was fun talking to you guys um think about participating more think about getting more people on live both on facebook and here think about asking short questions i can absorb them quickly on facebook live and other places and calling in and you know let's let's make this the place all objectivists have to do on a monday afternoon all right on a monday evening for most of you all right thanks for listening talk to you soon uh you've been listening to the iran book show living objectivism