 Welch yn ffôr y TV Tv podcast er bynnag ym 14. Mae'r ffôr yma? Mae'r fôr yma? Mae gennym ni o'n fyw ooraeth. Mae'r ffôr yma? Mae'n fwy, hwn am rai sian蘭 y Walt Disney Plus. Ond frydedd! Yw'r ffôr yma? Mae'n fwy, gallwch ei wneud a fydda'r ffôr yma i fynd i'rrous. Mae gan Ilywodus yma. Mae'r ffôr a twdd. Mae'r yma yma. Mae'n dweud at griffiau ar gyfer mor butwy, ond nid do'n ei ffodol. Felly e'n gilydd yma. Roedd have a LBF? Diolch yn gwybodd. Roedd yn gwybodd y gallwn. Rai ei hoffio? Roedd wneud. Roedd e'n goffio ddechrau bod LL. Roedd yka'n goffio? Rai. Rai'n gwybodd a'r goffio? Roedd. Mae'r goffio flirio'n goffio? Aethau'r goffio ar gyfer. Roedd! Roeddo, yn gwybodd a'n gwybodd y mae'n goffio! Roedd! Ac mae'n mewn gwaith, mae'n bwysig ar y plant. Mae'n bwysig. Mae'n rhoi stiting yma o'r ffordd i gyhoeddwyr. Mae'n roi gwybod i ddechrau'n methu oedd o'r cyfrif inclyn na'n rhai. Mae'n rhoi gwybod i ddesgrifennu. Mae bywysig ein bod nhw'n gwneud o'r briwchon arall, mae'n rhaid i'n ffordd i'r freudio. Mae'n gymrwyddo i'r llwydo anghofyn rydw i'r ffordd. Mae'n bobl yn ysbyt yn yr eich bod States of Bwysigol. Cyngor o'r ffeir ydych chi'n ddod, ac nid o'n gofyn i ddweud i ddweud. Be gyd am ychydig yw ... Fy that. Yn ddweud ei ddweud? Masau ein hoffi mwy wyan nesaf? Nid oedd, nid oedd oes o'r bobl ar mwy nesaf. Gweithio fyrdd. Fye, nid oedd y peth yn cumfod. Fy feth yn oed. Yn y conig yn ein panod. Yn dysgu'r prif, mae'n gyd-dysgu. Yn ddweud, bwy fyddi'n ddweud, mae'n gweithio i'r peirio. Diolch. Diolch, mae'n olygu. Rwy'n adnod. Mae'n fawr o Daith. Mae'n gweithio. Mae'n gychwyn i gychwyn i ddechrau. Mae'n gweithio. Gweithio? Mae'n gweithio. Mae'n gweithio. Mae'n gweithio. Mae'n gweithio. Mae'n gweithio. Mae'n gweithio. slipped on there, there is a new lady in a sand film. You know what I mean for you. There's a high school musical remake. I know you like high school musical. He's about 37 now, he can't be doing it. He looks about 18. Rydyll he's not going to have a good shave. I like that boundary. He was good. He played it really well. He's got it wrong. Bwndi hefyd nid o'n nott yn y griff felly! Stop it's been every time there's a method! Every time there's a method! On then at the end you're like... I don't think that's on Disney Plus. No, no, no. Have you had any kind of friends with you? On HBO Max? Cos they're trying to obviously bring in everyone. I believe so, yeah. Big deal, eh? I believe so. It won't be the same. Cos they're all old. Speaking of reunions. It loses its... Loses its... Luster. Buster? Luster. Phil Collins. See, he got to do with it. Making a remake of Buster. I don't know. That was an 1980s film with Phil Collins issue. Seen it or not? Classic? Never seen it? No. Paint this guy out, Buster, to be the most like nicest bank robber or train robber you've ever seen in your life. For Boscons, isn't it? Yeah. No. Phil Collins. Have you seen him in the same room? Question? Have you seen him in the same room? No cos he's dead. All right. There was a time in the 80s. There was a time when he was born alive. What's so much Charlie Chaplin? Heffron, you know? They were in Hoog together. Phil Collins was in Hoog. I'm blowing mine today. I'm seeing Hoog. I'll tell you what, you go home and watch Hoog. Oh my God. That's a deep, deep cut. You go home and watch Buster. It's just an everything podcast. That's just one of them. Well. This is what you've got to do on podcasts. This is like the secret of podcasts. People like it. People don't stalk us. People like this. Yeah, he's in Hoog. He's got a very small role in it, but he's in Hoog. Yeah. So the guy plays. It's... It's... It's... Hey, did you see the ending? I don't watch East Enders, but it was a place. The ending of it was reminiscent of a go compare of it. That's all I'm saying. I felt a chain up. It was that. Go compare. It was the first time I'd ever seen someone actually driving a car and it wasn't just round the square. And there was this big crash in it. It was a real car. And it was a big crash. It's wondering how they have crashes in the square. Because how do you have to speed when you're going on the small square? No way to get up to speed. Marty McFlyard being ad-off on the air. We've got to go back. We can't. We can't get past the bleeding. You've got to have to redesign it. So it's three miles an hour we can go back in. If it unnotices. But going back to Buster, he wasn't a very nice man. There you go. I mean, that's very, very nice. Let's be honest. He robbed the train. There's a train on banks. They're not normally nice people. But they might do, as long as they treat the victims nicely. Yeah, I mean that. Or escaped to Brazil. See, he's another one. That's typical of Britain, that. He went to Brazil and Ronnie Biggs and everyone sees him. He was some kind of a hero. That's how it is. Oh, the craze. What a set of guys. What a set of guys. One of them had a knife. The size of Johnny Deppson. He's found himself a real police London. Oh. Is it all gone down else since then? It's the shit. North of the River, he was fine. Everybody was fine. Listen, women could go out tonight. Richardson, South of the River. Do you want a stand-up calling? Nah, I'm just like, I'm going to shop. He was the 60s. Did everybody was fine? It was all good. Do you want a walk around in Austin Powers dancing on stuff? Yes, it was all like that. If anyone wants to watch a brilliant representation of the 60s, the golden vision I feel is the ultimate representation of the 60s. Oh, that's amazing. Have you never watched the golden vision? You've never watched the golden vision? Oh my god, it's amazing. What is it? What is it? Do you know it's a film? It's a Ken Loach. He was like this afternoon plays, right? And it starts with this little girl and they're like, who are you? And she's like, who's what your daddy do? You're going to see the whole script? I am. What does your daddy do? Place forever. Now he's a footballer. What's his name? Alech Yng Nghym. Who's you play forever? And then he goes. And then next minute, you go for Mike. And what it was, it was the first thing that had real life things, but also a play behind it. So it's got all these Evertonians going to London. And it's amazing because nothing's changed. We're all still my own ambassadors. And things happen to me. We're an amazing time to go. A guy signed a get a wedding and he signed a get a gooderson. And the fella's taking a picture and he's going, this is uncalled for. This has taken far too much time. And soon as the last one, he just jumps in a cab and goes, gus and park please mate. And he's just, you've got to watch it. It's superb. There's a couple of choice bits of 60s language in it. Maybe not PC, that's all I'm saying. It's on YouTube. I was in Liverpool Museum and it was on the thing and I just started filming on my phone. Just like put on Twitter and this woman come over and they're like, go me, can't film that. Got to be right, but I was like, it's in the public domain. Sorry. It's the museum's free. No, but it's in the public domain. It's been out so long that it's now. We could screen it right now outside. 25 years. The whole vision was 70, 60. No, no, no, no. 25 years and then it's the public. I think songs are 100 years, but yeah. It's a bit longer than that. It's all your books are 100 years and then off 60, 70 or whatever. So trips to the south. So I haven't played Southampton on Saturday, which I don't, you know what? It was a lot. Long time ago. The last time I went was the 93, 93, 94 season. It's his prime. We won 2-0. We won the first three games of the season and then lost the third, fourth and... 1000. Fourth, fifth and sixth. Beakley shot. He did. That was the last time. That was the first game of the season wasn't it? And I was expecting this dead long trip on Saturday, but it's dead easy to get there. They take on a straight road. Horrible. Horrible place. Was it coached? It was very good. But as you can imagine Southampton was like a very... The fishing town. No. The Grand is like a Mekano kit. It's a Mekano kit. It's thrown off. This like, yeah, it's like... Actually, and you know when the people are like, oh, you build them now on a retail park? No, this was built on an industrial park. Horrible. Oh, it's horrible. Next one was big gas thing goes next day. Horrible. But... Sounds great. Yeah. It's normal. They've gone down and I don't know even no laugh on who will be above it. That was the general tone. He'd shade a corner. Well shot, sorry, didn't he? Do you have a free scarf? Yes. I've listened to a podcast and it's all about the free scarf. Maybe the money back next time. We'll give them back. The young fella with a big cobon at the end rolled her up into a thing through it like that. And it went two rows and landed. The camera was right on. It went two rows. You found some of the back of the head? And he went, there's no one there. He went, turned on and walked away. He made a big thing of that. And you've only managed to throw it two rows. But anyway, the game. Obviously, he went back to the trusted Snydlan. But to be fair to Snydlan I thought he... Goll o siad. I thought he... I thought he'd done all right because he had legs with him, didn't he? All you need to do with Snydlan is say, you screen. Don't get forward. Just screen. Let the full backs bow on. And when he's allowed to do that, that's what he's affected about. And we don't often do that for every reason. And this game he took instruction. He did what he was told and that. That worked out well. And if he plays that role, you're fine. Yeah, definitely. He's dropped his third centre back. I mean, I think he's let him off massively likely there. It's all about that in the moment. The core was absolutely a red as well. We started to bring it. We started to bring it. I didn't always think we would start fast. We were on the right foot. We always start fast, sorry. Every game in the season I've watched, we've started reasonably well. There's not been really a game where we were on the back foot when we started. But again, what I liked was he picked pretty much the right side. He never went... No, we had... I keep on thinking that he might go, you know what? I'll go off to go back to Coleman or I might go off to Keen. But he didn't. He left to be in there. He left Tolgate in there. Obviously midfield. He hasn't got too many choices. He went, we shouldn't talk to him up front, which... Yeah, I can understand why. And then you're watching and then go... Yeah, I think I'll go back to... I'm going to call him next week. But he started strong on me. You know, we got the set piece. Apparently, Matt was telling me that it was a way to set piece. So that's good and I believe him. Well, if you look at the... Oh, it's a head and towards goal. No, I... If you look at the West Ham game, we had the same thing. Corner comes in, flicked on, and Tom's on his own at the back stick. And he should score. Rebeth saved it, didn't he? Should have buried it. And then at the weekend, the exact same thing. For those floors, Guilfee doesn't have to take a good corner. He's got a set piece. He's got a set piece. He's got a set piece. He knows that. I know he's moved to the NFL. He'd be amazing. Big kicker, yeah. He'd be amazing. He'd be amazing. That's the strength of his game. It's the dead ball delivery. It's technically a fantastic footballer, but it's the older bits that, you know, are letting them down. But like you say, brilliant start. Great balling. Good flick on by Ulrich. Great header by Davies running in at the far post. And McCarthy's a big lad. To plant it past them, that close. It was a good finish. And just what we needed, just shut everyone down with a head. And can we build from there? What I liked when we watched the game this morning is the pressing again. It was, again, when we lost to the counterpress and triggers straight away in again. And when a team is struggling like Southampton, struggling, that's what you need. He's getting amongst them quickly. Now that we're wrong, it could have been much better. But the effort was there, the desire was there. That's what you need to see away from when we need to get amongst instead of having this open flow game. When we left teams back in, on the second half as well. But yeah. I still think as a team we need to be more aggressive. We do. I don't think we're aggressive enough. I think that's what you went on there goal. Is the lack of aggression to get out and immediately be on a player's toes and say, well, you'll have to do something clever here to beat me. Cos you didn't have to do anything clever to beat Snyddon. I've watched it again. And the way the ball goes to the lad and Snyddon looks back and says, am I doing this on my own? And then to start, have a bit more, get out there. And I wanted to see that from a few more players, especially once they'd scored. There wasn't enough for that getting out of those heels and making. They were, they were so poor. First time. And obviously confidence wise, they would have been in low. And I thought, forced them into mistakes. Once you let a player, it's fine. Pressing. But I thought once you let a player so to get that touch, they can pop it off. He's done it. I just wanted to see a little bit more at times. First half of that, we played well. And I thought, you know, we've got to start being more ruthless in front of goal. That's the big thing that's missing. Still creating the chance. I was looking at the chances we created. And still, there's a couple of off set pieces. I think Mason had one in the second half off a throw, which he probably shouldn't have scored. And there was the shank one way. Wolcott did really well to flick it over the top. And he should have buried it. He had a pretty scrawl bit too much. It was a good little move. It was a good move in a nice shape. Apart from that, shank flashed a couple of shots wide. But we had a few shots blocked to be fair. Gilfaired one, which was probably going to win it on goal. Dom had one as well. Well, yeah. And Wolby had one that was deflected wide. Didn't mean. Still a bit better creativity, but much better than that. It's been a recent week in recent times. I thought we said, what? 24 attempts. A lot of block. Of course, a few blocks in that. But yeah, it was. It was better than both. What I liked in the first half was it was almost a shoot on site thing, which is what I think we don't do. I don't think we do enough off. Because if you're playing in a game and the teams having loads of attempts, you feel like you can't get into it. You feel like you're under the cost. Whereas when everything slowed down, the level of Southova was so much more. You know, about like a good reason why we don't get on top of teams immediately and have attempts to goal and get the crowd up. You said, if you let people have a thousand passes at the back as an away team for the first 15, 20 minutes, they're comfortable in. And then it's just a game. And that was probably what Sildanton did. So it was to be allowed us to do what we wanted. So all of a sudden we just strol. Because our level was much better. Don't forget, both teams have gone into this roedd gwyl un fydd ag ystod, y wnaeth wnaeth i gwell i'r ffawr am ddyddai o'n gwybod ychydig am dweud yma, fyddai o'n gwybod a'r dda fieisio, lle mae'n bryd o ran o bwrdd yng Ngwyloedd Plans mae gennym gwaint gwasanaeth eithaf, i angen i'r ffaith, olaf wrth gwrs am ei ddaraf. Amsrwm, mae'n na yn meddwl i eitem hwy oedd eich ffwrn fel mae oedd yn gweithio a'n gwybod yw'r ffaith. Eithaf. yn gweldwch yn ddullwy. Rwyddech chi'n mynd i ddweud ygroddur Croshotau, bod ein bod yn ei adoedd yw Llywodraeth, yn gwasana'n gweithio ti'r tro o'r gael! Yn symptoms a drwng diwrnod am bod y ysgol yn y busddol, mae'n gynddech chi ddsugau i fyfaint fel y peidliadau sydd yn gweldwch, mae'n gweithio y pwysig, mae'n gweithio I18A. Ac mae'n gweithio i fyfaint fel y peidliadau sef popeth fel y awweithio. But we had that, and it, like you say, Griffin had shot. So, we got to our time at twelve attempts of goal and that's not bad for the way team. But I think what Pet was saying, a lot of our build up play was really good. But that final pass, the final third when you get into, well, caught on brilliantly. Got right on the back and then it just crossed to the keeper, and he's just putting in the dangers own. But there was a couple of times, Luca Dean got in with a little one, two, gyda'n ddrech chi, ydw i, mewn gwneud amddangos. A mae eu bod ni'n hyn, ac dyw gwneud hynny, mae maen nhw'n gweld yn cymryd yn ddangos, mae'n gwahs, yn leisdo, yn Ni Gwyrddedd. Mae'r canfloed wedi cael cael yma yw'r wynau. Mae'n meddwlol yn lle a sylw reproductionn dw i fod yn unrhyw geisio. Mae'n ddiwrnod, mae'n gwneud yn y dyfgrif, mae'n hoffi'n meddwl, mae arbennwyl wedi bod vine, mae'n meddwl sydd yn rhan cyfan. Siaradau am yrddw i fel gyfnod i ni oherwydd diwrnod hynny'n cael eu bach yn uwch ynwur sy'nLYC. Ond oherwydd, ydi nhw'n wnaeth ein gweithio ar gyfer y gweithio, rydyn ni'n gweithio eich gweithio ar benod chi. Rydyn ni chon, mae'n rhaid i siaradau'n gweithio ar ein gweithio. Fyn nhw'n mynd arno, mae'n mynd iddo i chi wrth gael yn gogungo chi oherwydd a fyddwn ni'n gwneud oes hoffio'n gafolio y ddechrau ar gyfer y Gweithio Chrysgol. Mae gennym ni i gyd yng Nghaerwedd Gweithio Ffyrdd. Mae'n rhan oedd yna fyrdd yn f gwiririo ar hyn ymgyrch yn doufodol mewn golu. Mae gennym ni rheswm eich gweithio. I nodi'r cyfaint os ymgyrchu'r cyfrifedig a gynhyrch. Wedi'n gweithio nhw mae gennym ni i gyd a rai. O'r rai, â wnaeth chi'n wlad, ac mae'n gwybod gyda mairetwyd. Wrth gynny'n gwneud, wych chi ddechrau llefyn yn yr Elfyn, neu i'r fywd cynffrno'r dyn nhw i gyfrifiadau. Rhaid ei symud o ran dda, ond hyn ar yr edrych yn gweithio. Mae'n fuddo gofyn ar y gofyn ar bucks cofin. Mae'n gweithio, mae'n sgwrs ar hyn ac rydw i'n gweithio fel i. Mae rydw i'n gweithio fel'r annod yn gallu yn sefydlu. A wnaeth angen i ddim yn fynd. Mae'n glirio dda'r gydych chi'n roi'n brinol, mae'n fwy oedd edrych yn gyfferddol? Mae was cir y cyfeiriedeth fel gyda'r bwyd. Tadw'n cael ei gynnal ar gyfer ar draws. Mae'n golygu'n digwydd ar y cwrs. Felly, mae'r cyfrif iawn y cwrs yn lleoedd y bwysig yn roi tgwrs. Nid yn y cyfnod trwy ddau'r gynhyrchu. Mae'r cyfrif iawn o fi yn y cyfrif iawn. Mae'r cyfrif iawn wedi'u ffwrdd y fwg. a gan bod e'n gweithio'n gradd. Felly hanes dweud o'r anghof Ibarthle, wedi pob nesaf, ein golygu mindfuln yn swyddi, dyn nhw fod e'w gweithio i'r magdd. Efallai yn gallu ei holl ar rhan, rhan o'n rhywbeth e'ch gwneud. Dwi'n gweithredu uchel. Efallai yn gweithio i'r gweithio, efallai yn y ddechrau sy'n 25 yn i'r amdraeth. Mae'n gweithio i'r Siadoedd y gweithredu. Dwi'n gweithredu i gynnyddio. I expected them to put it up the line like it was rugby. They can't score and you don't actually need to win this game. You put it right up there in the corner and it goes off for a throw. And you get your shape back and you go, you know what lads, this is a really good point. Have we got lost in fantasy of football and what I mean by that is? That would be a good TV programme. It's 90s version. Mae'n athwyl yn gwneud bod amddangos fel'i ffrifsgrifoli a'r ffordd maen nhw'n rhai. Mae'n athwyl wedi bod fi'n ddweud. Dwi dwi'n casodd y gyrdd, mae'n dîm сейчасio ar hyn, mae ganddoid o'r ddweud i wneud ffordd maen nhw'n ddweud. Onw'r ganddoid a'r ddyfodd yn ymddangos i gyd, mae'n ffordd yn ffordd, – a'r dweud? Hefyd maen nhw'n ymddangos i gyrdd arwein nhw. Mae'r llwmp ynアmpod ei daeth. Felly mae'n meddwl i ddweud y llwp. Efallai £1 i £90 yn ddechrau'r fath, gan unrhyw y fath yma arall, ond mae'n mynd i chi'n gwneud. Felly mae'r £5 mwr yn digwydd. Lamin hwnnw, dal ddaf i'ch gwrnod yn y dymwiyng. A'rgyllwydd yn y ddweud. Dwi'n golygu'n gallu ddylch i gael... A oedd gallaf ei ddweud y pwynt o'n fath o'r pwynt, dess mae yn gyd yn sgwr o'r fath o'r maen. That's what City Liverpool spares with doing last season and that's why spares were hardly drawn. You've got to be willing to do that but you've got to get to a point where you're good enough to win those games. I said you know, same with last weekend's spares. Nothing wrong with that, it's not a bad point that if we got one of Brighton that wouldn't be a bad point. As we said last week we'd all be like VRRs robbed this here and it wouldn't be a confirm thing. And then you've got something else to blame rather than the footballers of the football club, which is always better. And I think it's better to just be at times. This is what I criticise and I'm not criticising a manager as such for it because I do believe it's a mentality just generally that knocks your hand. My heart is with the worst at times you've just got to be pragmatic. Qumann actually for all is fault in his fair season was set out to win the homegames and draw away games and that was it and at times it was a bit frustrating because you'd be like if we'd won that game, I remember going to Middlesmed ten minutes ago we broke out of Bariol and I saying we can win this game but he was thinking That's not that isn't a negative. He's made me clear. Because in that, like that middle's regaining your talking about that. He remember Adam all laughing missin two sitters and Ron miss won when Tom Davis put him through in the first half so we were playing out there and I was like that was a better idea to play in that corner, so that's going to be an awesome idea that they need to play it out. He was probably like You know, I hit the green in that corner and he was like, yeah I'm not gonna play that. I was like, what around a. I'm sorry, but that's the thing. He was going to play all. a dyna'r nifer o'r ffordd. Mae'r gweithio'n cyfle, a mae'n iddo i'r gweithio'n gweithio. Yn ychydig yn 50 oedd, mae'n bach i'r gwirio. Mae'n ddweud i'r pethau. Mae'n ddweud i'n ddweud i'r gweithio. Mae'n ddweud i'r gweithio'n gweithio'n gweithio. A dyna'n ddweud i'n gweithio. Mae'n ddweud i'n gweithio, mae wedi'u cael ei oedlach. Mae'r gwnaeth bod yn fathio, yn fathio, a fyddwn i'n cael ei ddweud o'n dweud o'r ddweud. Mae'n gwybod, oheryn, yn y sefylliant, os ydych chi'n mynd i'ch bod yn ymgyrch yn ei ddweud, a byddwch yn y rhaid o'r ddweud o'r ddweud, ac mae'n gwneud o'r fan, nad yw'n gweithio, ac yn ydych chi'n gwneud o'r ddweud, mae'n ddweud, yn ymgyrch i ddwy'n gwybod, ac mae'n ddweud o'r ddweud o'r ddweud o'r ddweud, By winning that game, you said, we scored in that game around the same time, we scored against Brighton and I actually said that at the time to one of the lads I was with, I said, now it's a mental game, can they, some of them will know that and it's like, can they go on now and win the game and we did it, we were very very good at all. That was key, that was absolutely key. That's what I'm saying, that's all that matters. The second half, you know, we give that goal away, you said it when we done the final word on Sunday, the biggest mistakes Nidlum makes there is not getting out to him quickly. He looks because he doesn't really want to do it, he looks as it, over his, before he runs, he looks as if to say to anyone else going. So he goes, he ambles out there, stands the lad up, if he goes fast to the lad, if he goes past and pulling down, pulling down. But he doesn't let him get to, he does exactly what they done to Welcott in the first half. The lad didn't know what to do, Welcott knocked it in round nine and we could have scored from what we didn't. He gets, once he's round Snyddlin, they have a little bit of good fortune because in it's mean it's healing, it goes back towards the goal where it could have hit him and gone out, but it didn't anyway. So we had to bounce back from that disappointment then, Pickford makes it good save from Blawn Brash, but after that they offered nothing, we got, we rode a 15 minute spell where it was a bit uncomfortable, but we were under loads of pressure and the fear was, have we blown this when we were in control? That was the only thing, if you, if an independent person would have walked in to either the stadium or watching on and telling you to shut the mouth. No, no, I'm talking about a fan of another team, a fan of another team, in that spell would have sat down and gone. Everness still totally in control here, but us as fans are looking and going, we've, we should have been thrilled, we've blown this, like saying with Brighton. But what I liked was, we got control of the ball again. It's particularly Tom Davis started getting it and you could see him rallying. And then the man had to make two really positive substitutions and brought on Dominic Alvertlew. He was amazing, but what he does is, he lets the centre backs know they're in a game and that's, I don't think Tom does that enough. No, he's starting to watch us sometimes. So he has to, I think if he can put that into his game, I think he goes up another level then because then you've got a lag coming on, you can run. He's great in here and he's going to rough you up a little bit. You know, he's going to make you know. Yeah, I think that's his future. And that's what it is. And he brought on Alex Obie, didn't he? Injected the pace. You know, when injected that little bit of pace. I think that was the big thing, wasn't it? Forward passion. I think what it did was, Tom held the ball up really well when he came on, so he was one option. That's a sort of pressure thing. Having that man's the ball sticks to your front. That's the point. It was two different ways of playing. It was a while we run through, you know, going through the lines and it was also being able to go along when you're at it. Cos there was times, like, you know what, our centre backs have got no problem going on. That's one of the things I really like. The whole game, he'll just put his foot to it when he needs to. Yeah. But that was the thing. Obie started to probe then and they had no answer for that. They were so poor in my field, but they had no answer for that. And once he started making those little runs and he had a couple that were deflected just wide and put that one great ball into Calverloo and straight away in the blocks on it. How many people can do that on the team? Well, that's the thing. Well, look at the weight of the pass. It was in the stride. Look at the weight. He didn't have to stop. And me and Pettra, the other day, Coleman would have stopped that because it's natural. And that's what Dory does. Well, that's saying the goal, he put it right there. All the power on the ball that enables the Charles to put it in the goal is because of the fact that Obie put it into the pass and he's running full belt on it, right? He's full cross. Coleman bless him. Well, there have just gone. I can't at this first time. So I'm going to go to the bar line and I'm not going to beat the lad when I'm going to check and go back. And you've to hold the momentum out of there. And it's not a kid. This is my famous Coleman as a player. It's called Age. It's also called different types of play. His skill set is trying to get you one-on-one and just run with the bit of Z that and where it should be. He looks a little bit, doesn't he? And I think the other thing as well, and I said this the other day. I don't know whether you noticed or not. It was Calvert Lubin's run to the near post. Because he makes that run, they're looking at that which gives the Charles a little bit of space. Which is key because you need that space. You can't just stand and watch the ball, which is what we've accused him of doing at times at the ball. If he makes that run, you create space. But you can do that though because the ball comes in early. When the ball comes in late, the player can set and they're not on the run. By the time Coleman sometimes puts a cross in, the defender's not looking at his own goal. He's actually looking at the ball. A ball? Because he's facing the other way. What about defenders like a ball in front of them facing their own goal? Because if you give a defender something, you don't want to defend this with your goals here because you're either going to try to slice it. It'll come off your in-go-in or whatever. So because he puts that in and like Pett said, no one's set. Dom makes the run. And I think Dominic knows he's not getting it. That's why it's great play. So you make the run anyway. Two centre backs from both sides run with Dom, which means that the Charleston is faced up with the left fullback and he's ahead of him because he's switched on, he's looking. The lad's got to go this way where the Charleston's running forward. And it's a brilliant finish. It's a great ball, but it's a brilliant finish. Does what he does best though. It's got to heart with Charleston because that is what he does best, making those runs, getting in the box, scoring goals. He's so frustrated though. He's got so much talent, but... You've seen that on the nutmeg after a minute. Three, four times he gets some really good positions and he just makes the complete wrong decision. And that's on a criticism of he's still a young developer player. You can just see if you can just get that 10 to 10. Just aspects, isn't it? Like four or five per cent more, you'll be there. There was one right at the start of the second half where we broke when you faced the lad up, he's in there box. And if he just delays, he can pick anyone. He just did it against the shins and you're like... There was one where he crossed it to absolutely no one. We went out and he was like, come on. But he's a great player. Get him what we've always said, get him closer to the goal. Get him close to the goal. He's had much natural goal scorer. And that's why you don't... You can have a Dominic Carvert-Lewin a moist key in a toss and he's not going to score you 15 because if you have a winger, you decide we're going to score them goals. It's like the Pelfamino's got the same number of goals this season as Dominic Carvert-Lewin in the Premier League League. So I know everyone's what I want to strike here, but it's about a team play and it's about building the team ladder. But it's little things like the crosses from that. Earlier. Will he get more goals? Because he can gamble? That's partly on top of that as well. When you see it be controlled, it was a different type of control. Possession percentage I think was like 53. 54, yeah. It wasn't usual. Because what we were doing was going in to end instead of having the slowest down. We weren't allowing Saddam to set. It's the same thing because you get those early balls in. We've set that load of times. Don't control on a game. It's dictating the way the game goes. You can give the opposition the ball, but you can still dictate where they take that ball and then how you take that ball off them. This is what great clubs do or great managers do. Sometimes they say you can have the ball, but if we take it off you're here, then that allows us to swing. Clops me does so much as a successor, because they break high. That midfield does all the work for them. You get the ball back, give it to the strikers, and they score goals. We can win in the ball high. For whatever reason we haven't always had that, but partly because of the pressure and his job. We need to do more. We shouldn't fear giving the balls to Southampton. The same as we want Bailey to be on the ball more, instead of allowing them to sit in and just soak it all up. That's what I think hopefully maybe we'll win. Because we can spring the pressure then. When they... That's what you want because you don't want to defend in space. What I thought was really good was when it went to you won, we then had more chances to make it three. We had one that deflects on to the post. That folly, we had one that spun just wide. Mason Holgate, that was at one one though, but he didn't realise how close he was to the goal. We didn't throw that. He seemed to have a... When I was a bit... He's just flicked it on. You're talking about in-game management. When the child... Because he did do the child, it was in the thigh. He had to go off. I've just let him run at him. But he didn't... Can I stop you on that? Some I didn't notice at the game, some are highlighted to me. Tom Davis went over to the ref and started badgering him about the child and being down. We were all like that. He had stayed on his feet most of the game. But Tom had gone over to the ref and kept on saying to him, that was brilliant. That was really mature. I'm not saying someone else should have done it on the pitch, but because he's writing it to the ref, writing his ego, he's injured, and he did the blue up for it. Tom was really going. Probably saying to him, what happened last week? You better get over there and check that out. That kind of thing. What was nice about that was, it took this thing just for a couple of minutes, but it also got dayfans ffuming because of the child. It was a nice... But it showed that he was injured because he was limp and he went off. Everyone would like Gordon's comp, but you play the percentages. If you get to draw that game, everyone is confident about it. That's what was saying to me, we're asking for that. We're asking for the game to go. He put Michael Key. He's ropey as any. The worry is when you're thrown a third centre back on. That's how it is. I don't like throwing a third centre. It's been horrible. Even in injury time, we had a couple of breakaways. We just didn't play the right ball. They had nothing. One free kick, which they put in, got knocked down, we cleared it. To come away, you said at the start of this, no away wins before then. It's so key to get that away win. Ped said it before when we went 2-1 up. What are the players thinking? We were 2-1 up. Last away game, we lost. Can we get through this section? Now, they should be thinking we can win a way we won last away game. Where's the next away game? Lester. We could blow us out the water. They flatter by that 9-0 still. They could seem to be wrong. I still don't think that I was watching them on the weekend against Arsenal for about 16 minutes. Lachazette, that was their own goal. That's a different game. They will have the ball because of the way Rogers plays. That's in a few weeks. We've got Norwich having me at home before. If we could beat them, then another wins conference. I thought it was a mature performance and almost like a steady performance. I don't want people to come out and go, maybe we've lost to some crap this season. Let's be honest, the whole league's crap. I'd like to say as well, in terms of obviously the manager, I suppose at 1-1 people would say, people know my opinion, the manager, but I want to say I haven't won games. The manager will play itself out no matter what happens. The results are more important than anything. I'd rather be involved in the relegations crap. I want us to get like this league's really open. It's really terrible. This is the problem now. It's so weak to weak moving to moments. Let it play out and see what happens. In terms of Everton, if Everton can be 6-7 points off your in January when we've had that really tough spell, if we're only that far behind, 6-7, 8 even, with the second half of the season, a couple of loans, players back, then that's alright. Ideally I'd love to be fourth at Christmas, but listen, you want to be in touch and distance, because if you're in touch and distance, you can still affect it. If you're 15 points behind it, you've got some grants to make up. So if we could beat Norwich, but with 3 points off fifth at the moment, which is bizarre. But just on the manager just very quickly, we have just got to let it play out because this far up my sherry will, and Marcel Brands will make the decision in their time. If they don't think it's happening, we can't keep going, well, this is good. What Marco will say, Ped said this the other week, if we beat Southampton, you come to that international block, the next one, which we're at now, and go, I've played five games since the last one, we've won three of them. We're in the quarter-fine of a cup competition, but the only game we've lost was VAR interceded and Tottenham. We had two decisions that the Premier League have now said were penalties. So we could be sat here with five wins, or four wins in a draw. We're at three wins in a draw, and that's the way it is. If he does that over the next five games, then we'll be in a semi-fine of a cup, and we'll have got results. So we've got to get players back, we've got to get a bit of confidence back, and when you look at it like that, and you think, right, okay, let's just let it play out, let's get behind a team, see what's what. The reason I want to let it play out as well is it, a look at it and think, the longer Marko's under pressure, the more likely you're going to be seeing, we're not building on what we've got, because he's having, you're going to go to, Tottenham's a decent player in all that, but he's not part of Evan's future plans, and Moise Keane's not going to be getting games hand when Marko Silver's under pressure, because that's a byproduct of the Premier League, is that you don't play young players who can make mistakes, which he will naturally do. So if we get more comfortable, then you will see those players be given a chance and you will see the team that we want to see. I think the longer he's under pressure, the more unlikely that Evan are going to be building towards next season, just to be chaining until the end of the season, so hopefully we can put a run of games together and then we'll see what happens at the end of the season. I mean, the big plus for this pair, I suppose the last couple of weeks has been Tom Davis and Mason Holgate, hasn't it? Those two young players have got this chance. I mean, you mentioned it there, we're going to get to see maybe a more settled side oddly now because of the injuries and stuff, but it might turn out to be the best thing that's happened all season and I think some players, Tom deserves to be in weekend and week-outs. We've said it for as long as Tom's been in the side, but I think you're starting to see a bit more maturity from Mason's being spot on. He's made the odd mistake. But I've got no problem with that because you know what, Kate, he was making loads of mistakes this time last year. He was making loads. I remember getting to about January and thinking, I'm not bothered by that either. I couldn't care less. Did you like Kate? No, I liked him anyway. I've seen his stats. No, I'd say that was very big. I don't know when he was at Stoke, because people were playing him before going down, but he looked rusty. He did look terribly rusty. That's what I'm saying. Even Michael Cain really didn't sort it out until really mid middle of the season. That's what I'm saying. So really, and with what I think meaner is... Every game he plays, he gets better. I look at him. What I think about him though, I think he's one of those centrebacks that the person next to him has a lot easier day because he's next to meaner. And I think that really, well really of all the players that Holgate has had so far next to him, I think this might be the one that just compliments him, that allows him to grow as a player. He's an absolute monster. I just hope with his English, that he'll be able to improve first for me. I don't see what will be between him or Tom Davis. I don't want to prove that much. You wouldn't be my captain, because I look at him and think... You think Tom Davis is going to be captain? I'm alright with Dean being captain, but I'd love Tom to be captain. I don't think he needs to be captain right now. I want to speak to the captain. That was being so much better. If he was captain. For Holgate, I think Holgate and Tom, this is where... I know you're saying that you can't bring young players in, these are those young players. No, they're not. That's what I mean. These are like 21, 22, 23, them and Tom. Now is the right time. If we can get where we go and where we get into the top half of the table and you've got plays like that that I think can drive you forward, you'd rather see them. I said this so many times, why wouldn't you want to get behind those plays? Everyone moans about these snards but you can understand that. I still like Sigarton. I still like him. I just think he's been... I'm sure he's a nice fella. But I think he's been poor this season. I give him a writing on Saturday. I think it was the worst one on the pitch. He wasn't any worse than someone else. Wasn't better than someone else. His job was to create stuff. He didn't create nothing. He did some corners of free things for you. This spot boers me with him and this is the argument. He's created corners. I like him, but the point being is that you can go where he's got a £45m fee around his neck. It's not even moans about, I left Man United too early. These all got problems that you can look at and go, their reasons maybe to not dislike them but go, oh yeah, you're all right. So my Tom Davis, you go, that's a lad who wants to play forever. Mason Hogg, he wants to play forever. Dominic Harvill, he wants to play forever. John Joe Kenny, wants to play forever. Whether they're good enough or they're not good enough, we'll find out in the test of time, but that's the thing, you're not going to find that. If they're not playing, I'd rather have these lads who are, I think you get more out of them or you get like that 5-10% excess from them because they actually care and this is the time you see that. You know, Adrian Durham said something on the radio and I didn't really, I agreed with Harford and then he brought... What's his name's Tom Davis? No, he said Tom Davis can be amazing forever and he could be better than, when he said he can be better than Steven Gerrard, that's when he ruined it, and not because he can't be better than Steven Gerrard. High bar. Just because, yeah, just because, that was when you went, yeah, you're doing this make-up, you're all wringing, rent all wringing and go. Why don't you say he could be better than Arsenal? That's a barometer. No, that's a barometer. No, no, no, I don't believe in that. I don't believe in that. Why can't he just be Tom Davis and Tom Davis can be the future forever? I think he could have just said he can be one of Everton's most important players and he can be in England internationally. He said that, that's not great because there's some players in that English squad now that you're like Fabian Delth, who's got half a leg at the moment. Has he come home now? Has he done the most sour tactical engineering? I fancy missing a couple of games but that's what I mean. That's that bar isn't that high as it. That's just like he could be good for Everton and he could play for England and then that's something that is tangible. Once you start going, he can be better than Gerard. There's no reason for it. You'll have a look when he's 35 if he's better than Gerard if he does after stuff Gerard did. So you forget about that but I just think you're right. I don't know why people wouldn't want Tom Davis to succeed. I can't get me head around it. Both about Tom Davis really and Marko as well. In terms of Marko, what's for street? I mean, why? I've sort of gone as back as because exactly as to people like Guilfeasig, where he should be playing his own system and playing as the fitter, whether they are Tom Davis or not, it doesn't matter what price they get to fit your best system. What about my only counter to that? This is the problem. That's the problem for him is that I suppose if he was in a job, because I haven't always, someone did say if he was more secure in his job, then maybe he would. So I'll give him that in the sense that if brands came out and said listen we're going to ride through this, then he's building something then. I still would like to see a plan but whatever. And then moving on from now, I was listening to a podcast with Ian Graham who is a data scientist and he was saying what they look for in the fields is navigating in particular. It's players who play balls into attacking areas. Now what they've said is it doesn't matter if they've got a 75% completion rate or not. You look at Tom Davis and people have gone he needs to do ball too much. I'd rather Tom Davis try and break the lines constantly and pass it forward and some crab not going side to side. These people need to understand that football is built on people breaking the lines and getting people into space. And Tom, without Tom and the team it's too controlled, it's too formulaic you need Tom and the team. Are you going to make another point there? You said two. You made the first one. You didn't separate them well enough there. What I would say though, just as a side note to that is that you'd have to say to the club though. When you think about it when brands talk this wouldn't be a long term project we're going to bring young players into the team. You can see that actually stands to see you look at the pitch and go there's young players all over them we're bringing old players now that we said they're crazy it stopped but what we need is the process. If we had a striker like a 15-goal striker you could rely on all the time that would win you those games of football when it is 1-1 or get you that point that helps the process so much more. This is where we ruined La Carchew because we ruined them by we ruined the chance to bring blood players through because he was always scoring goals whereas we were just like La Carchew scored the goals on fire. We did go Barclay through we brought Tom Davis towards the end we brought John Stones and Malcolm we didn't bring them through what we did with them was we put them in the team and just went there you go until we decided oh we'll sell you. The problem with La Carchew was we had a laddie scored 20 goals every season for four seasons and we finished 11th because he didn't take care of what was going on. Sadly this is pretty much here he wasn't except for the 7th under Cumin wasn't it? Yeah but my counterpoint is the 15 goals thing and you're the striker as you is here because how many strikers have you scored? Hang on that's your job. Well I'm going to say to you and everyone go do you go cos this got you from going to season No way with the board. He's going to say man's you could tell me. Do you know what I'm going to say? Slow the whole team down. He's the kind of player that is. We're the best when we're fluid and when we've got three in exchange we're forward. When we've got Charles to play in the front through the weekends with Sam that's why we were better because we're in exchange. Do you not sign? Do you not sign on number 9? No you should have done that. Do tradition cos of that. Cos the XG is doing wonders for us. Don't get me started on the XG. I'm not being funny. A rule full of chimpanzees made that book. They just sat down. Lot of load of bollocks. Science cannot score goals. Science. And theories. You tell them across the park who've made flawless transfers. What I can tell them about them is they've got three boss strikers. That's what I know. When he bought the three of them did anyone think they'd be three boss strikers? Man, he was like a good wire player. And Femina wasn't a nine. Trust me you want to say that they're the best they've got the best data people in the world. So data. It's a marriage of principles and data. It's everything isn't it. You've got to put it all together. It's what the state here is. It's a really good strike and you can build it. I'm not saying... I wouldn't have... I assume one. Cos this is the problem. This is the problem. This is the problem. You're all talking over each other here. This is the problem with football, real football and something that gets washed. Football and this is where I say to you all the time you can have all the maths and all the science and everything. If you don't have 11 players you go out there and work their bollocks off all you right? None of it matters. If you work your bollocks off them. Listen to what I want to say. So there are times when you need that player to come off a bench no matter whether it would be as you rude, whether it be a Zlatan, who someone is not that he's not good enough. You need somebody that other strikers can lay off as well and you need someone he's not that he's not good enough. He's not good enough. He isn't good enough. I agree. So don't throw him into I am you up there. He's not good enough. But the point being is that we at the moment have got young players playing and sometimes they just need a leader around them to just show them what what and that's what I'm talking about. You need a leader and that's that no because this is the big problem with Everton Football Club that the manager isn't strictly a leader because he's so young and he doesn't have anyone on his coaching staff who is that experience. But that's what we've talked about we've been talking about in the week about never being a mentor for pixel. Sometimes you just need someone at the club who you can go to and say what am I doing wrong and they don't like it yet and that's what can happen when you buy good senior players. This is why Delph was brought in and people were like I was always injured but he was probably brought in and that's why that's one of the big problems with Everton is because like if you take with Moise's silence you know Baines and Coleman you play isn't he ass? What does that say and then Sigerson's not a leader, Snyddon's not a leader That's the problem with Everton's silence. This is what I'm saying. Sometimes you need to go out and we look at it now and we're not going off course so we have to go we should have gone and got someone who can be an example to the other people and we've had all these stories Moise Keane this week about him being late it's not on to me but you know what you need somebody who's on the staff not on the staff side he's a player to grab him not one of the coaches because if it's a coach it's like we all know if a teacher grabs you if someone tells you something you go an authority think you go shut up you but if your mate tells you the same thing you go oh yeah yeah because you listen to them so that's what I'm saying I don't think there's enough people at the club whether it be the manager to lean on someone and maybe that's where he's lost his assistant manager for a player to just go to another player and go come on lad being late all I'd have to say it in Italian but you know it's say it to him and say come on you're leading by example look what I do look what I do good pros and I think that's something we're missing and I think if we add someone you can go to me after training ground you'll turn up you'll look like the dogs bollocks you'll say to them we turn up every day for training this time we do this we do that you stay afterwards you don't get off you stay afterwards if you want to be the best you can go in and go look see that what's that that's what I'm saying that's what I'm saying these things get lost though then there's other considerations like if you bring in a striker what do you say to them because they're developments what you say to them is genuinely no no I agree with your point I'm just dancing it back what you say to them is you say he's won a well cut medal but I want you in my team prove that to me they're professional footballers he'll come here for that though you tell him you go we've got a couple of kids here you win every week don't bring your missus no we've got to bring his missus that's what I'm saying these things get lost in football for me I think we need a better vision as young Towson we may do it we may look for that maybe as a loan deal it's a fine balance there's no one's wrong here because it's just different to you I'm still doing my chin kids life one of my saying is I look at him and go I've asked me we've watched them today mate there's no shoe polishing in the training there's no care you need somebody who's see honestly I would have no problem with Evan and you'll laugh at this but I'd have no problem with Evan to go on to Slathan I love Slathan I love Slathan you've been amazing at everything and he's a deal you'll play x amount of games he's got goals and he's walking the dress and Evan will go and he speaks to Moise King because he speaks to Towson and he'd go stop start doing all that because people like Slathan people get the impression that the no beds and the cars you don't become people like them but even Eto Eto was telling the other players that's the manager that's the problem then type personality is very difficult that's the thing that way a manager and I'm not saying I'm not going to say to you but maybe you can have gift a manager and when I say help, I don't mean someone who's going to run the manager is there someone we can help you get bringing in that you can just lean on and that's where I think maybe he's lost assistant manager might be a little bit of put a bit of doubt in his mind but I think you need those people all over the pitch it's why it's good that probably Bains is still at the club but he can say these things to a couple of players it's when people got no sentiment get rid of everyone but you still need to retain that little bit of something that people can go whatever, I'm going through this and they go yeah I went through that as well this is what happened and I think that's maybe where it has a club at the moment we just need a little bit of something that's going to be on our side brands that change the leadership group over the next you can't do it in one season because it's very hard to sell a lot of players on a lot of money so you could have to change it you've got Bains coming whether you like them or not they've been on it for a long time they love it and so they're part of the leadership group then you've got the next level players down you've got Delph, Sigurdts and Schneiderln in terms of age 23 seasons, those lads are 23-24 now are going to be the older players football is not a long-term project that's the problem now but that's what the plan is, I think I think what you're saying as well is because what happened to PS3 brands will bring in unbrains will stay and players will stay around and hope that you do it anyway but that will be the focus of the academy hopefully now I think you're both right with different viewpoints on it I think what we've got to just remember is that you've got to take a step back sometimes from the immediacy of football and go what's more important that we get it right we're building a team Marshall Brands said we might have some bad moments because we're on a pathway we've brought in a lot of players there team players I think that they've signed brands and silver so ideally as fans we want to see this unit playing this way and it's dead clear but what we're going to talk about next is obviously the Howard's Way film but what that kind of showed me was it's not black and white and stuff can happen by bringing one player in and contain everybody else or give the manager that bit of space and think all he's trying to do with the minute is get us to a level where everything just settles and then we can build again because we're at a stage you know when everything's out all was saying the other day there wasn't players in this summer it takes time for people to settle down even people from this country it takes time to settle down let alone people like Moise Keane who's a young lad out of Italy they've done well last year but you've got to let him just grow and you know there's other aspects as well so we're on that pathway and results like Saturday against Southampton will give him a bit more breathing space we'll be acknowledged then everyone will guarantee that it's off then we go into a tough run of games but then it's simple swim isn't it players will want to play in them players will want to play in those games be fair though games probably suit us more playing against your band of course they will so let's just see what happens great win better in terms of game management better in terms of players and then see where we are we all feel a bit better because we're at one win off fifth so there you go to talk about the brand new fantastic film Howard's Way welcome back to part 2 the final part so there's no point for the part 3 there's no game this week so we can get into this this week saw the launch of the new film Howard's Way Everton Howard's Way I think they've put Everton in there because it's copyrighted just for clarification just like when we do videos and stuff it's always good to put Evan in the title people nowadays use things like these I think called Google so they put like search words in search words and things pop up so you might if you put Evan in the title it goes in Google with Evan Howard's Way with pop up wouldn't it be the series Howard's Way and that would be the confusion because you might start watching and thinking Howard Kendall was a yacht salesman in Southampton in the 80s well they'll bow didn't pay that much let's be fair so yeah it is technically called that but we went down to the St Joseph's Hall the film had already had a couple of showings in fact and it is on fact the premiere is well done the premiere at the Liverpool Film Festival just the premiere not a gala premiere no but this was the main big this was the gala premiere this was a big show the whole place on the team would be there and you know some sporting celebrities there Austin Healy was there didn't he make a horrifying comment about the cop-outs recently he did probably but I think he is that director's mate Rob Sloanman I think he is his mate because Rob does a lot of production I think for rugby unions so we might know he does sky stuff he's a zero he does a lot of work for the Europa League so anyway so it was a great night and all the plays were there and we got to speak to a few and we got to speak to a few that we haven't spoken to before or don't get spoken to very often likes of Paul Bracewell and Kevin Richardson and Alan Harper and we spoke to Andy Gray and Graham Sharp and Derek Malfield and everyone else was there the only people we weren't there were Kevin Radcliffe bit sad he wasn't there the captain he flew over in America doing the started transfer window for Minnesota so he couldn't come as well but everyone else was there Bailey wasn't there Adam Bailey's on a picture though no with the green screen and he's on that picture but he said he wasn't there they just go with the 14 that was in the scene I don't know I didn't think John Bailey was there but he's on a picture so obviously the film is primarily about building the 84-85 team there's mentions of 87 and there's mentions of what come before that and there's mentions the film is set up really well too it doesn't go in it doesn't go in and become this like season review it goes in then builds up to sort of whatever it has been before the 14 year wait for the trophy and then something that sparks the 14 year and the army Dave comes on the show quite regularly he's featured heavily as is Baz's son who is in the film he is available for other parts if you want a young bunch of run just good at running and kicking a cannon and a telephone call and then that so that moves through the 17s you've got a bit of Michelin's describing how bad it was we get the 80s and we get a bit of the social political stuff with the riots and everything and then we go into stage by stage how it built the team and what it becoming it was just fantastic it's fantastic to watch it properly properly described and brought to life and as I said glorified season review it's not one of them but it's a proper it comes into all the different parts of what it was like to be around at that time yeah it's brilliant it is incredible because back as far as Alex Younger to start I think when we were in the 66 cup it sets the scene of how everything do something and then it falls apart basically but historically it's carried on and that's how it goes but there's things like people might know but Howard Kendall signed seven players and his first time was Magnificent and only one of them was Magnificent and things like that but two of them were Neville Shalthel and Jim Arnold the goalies who were very Neville's obviously unbelievable but Jim Arnold was a it's more of a project than the time he signed he came from Berry and he was a young goalkeeper and he got Jim Arnold he had a blackburn he was more experienced and they had to fight the way through I mean Neville made his debut in a game that was on half near on the telly and we beat it with 2-1 Gary Stevens go but Neville's in goal that was his day and then he was out the next week he played really well but he won 2-1 so that was how it went earlier on but it's great at building it but the big thing I took from it and I said to you Andy before was that how it could have gone very wrong how it wasn't so obvious I remember it anyway as a kid I used to play some of the games and I was saying to you Andy that Coventry game the Coventry game in the cup was incredible, 8,000 of us there and we come from behind to win 2-1 which was a massive thing because we weren't playing very well at all before Christmas it was October time something up to the third round Peter E come on and change the game but a few weeks later we have Coventry at home in the league and the team was horrific the team get booed off there's petitions going round to get rid of our candle it's been signed by fans there's garage doors doped in paint get out of our club and the singing sack the man is here it was horrific and you're watching this team that was garbage basically in front of your eyes 2 games later winning a way game and I then go 18 games on beating in the league and end up winning an FA cup so it's incredible and the stories around it are amazing you get to see that those players are not only pleased themselves not only demanded the best from each other but genuinely loved each other as a team that's what I took from it's all, it is like you mentioned there it's all about moments isn't it you know there's moments like signing Peter Reid and Andy Gray lead the ship in the dressing room as I mentioned in the previous part haven't we spoke to Bob last week all those years ago back in the Winslow and he said that how a candle spoke to and it was between him and Andy Gray he was saying it and he said I thought I was coming back and he chose to go with Andy but Bob Lathford had the same impact it's great probably not because Lathford was a good goal score but not a character like that but that was a very young team people forgot how young that team was and having that bit of experience but even on the coaching side again bringing in Colin Avi was a masterstroke Colin Avi knew a lot of the young players he'd worked with had standards that had been made for a good evidence side and had come through and the standards have been set to him by good evidence plays before like good pros it's having good pros telling young pros how things are done this is what I'm saying about in part one there's not enough of this goes on in football and at times at times you need another voice as well it's funny Colin Avi because sometimes I think the picture maybe from the outside it's painted like Howard was staying and Colin might be the person to rely on the person he went to wasn't he so you had Howard who picked the team and Colin who was staying because he was taking all the training and wouldn't allow them any less and then Mick Heaton who was who was maybe the person you went to maybe wasn't a great coach and it just shows you and Cling Card come up didn't he who was the former physio do you remember Cling Card looked like Magnum looks like Magnum no I know probably was a physio bro he was a very sporty in 2000 I was only young but he was always because he looked like Magnum which was on the telly at the time he was like the same age as the players he was Tom Selich because he was the same age as all the players it was very unusual that we had like it and he said the other day at the thing he said he got him on stage because he was a really important part he said we had like the team then he was like the manager two coaches and the physio and that was it he said so we all had to stick together and you know did have the kick man and the person and we drove the boss he drove the boss so and that was important because he how would you say to to him for more away game I did one don't drive above 40 miles an hour we go on slow so we can all have a befi he does look like Magnum he does he's not very good for a podcast but he's a very handsome man he's a very handsome man so he was a big thing because he was young so he drove on very slowly for my way matches so he could all have a befi he's not legal he's got to all about 50 on a motorway he'd be 50 but never I don't know you don't have to depend on it it's the Statutes of Limitations it's gone that was the kind of thing there happened the clink card he said he was similar to all the players and that made a big difference in some respects and there was all that camaraderie but there was only John clink card Mick Eaton, Holland Avi and Albert Kendall that was the staff it's much different now isn't it but do you think it is important to look at figs to bring it round to a modern thing you do need an identity of Everton and what they represent no matter whether they are on the coach and staff or the ambassador or whatever it's just to bring those standards you look at Ajax probably the best team ever a Barcelona where they've got players throughout the club you know what it's like to represent them and that sets that standard I think we've always done it I think the problem is though now it's so big so don't give a figs and did win something you can't take that away from them but then it's the problem and it's funny because we always say the only managers who've won anything for Everton are people who've played for Everton it is something Mark will go on for a quick sub appearance he played for Everton in a trial game in 1992 it is about an identity and people will go you need to get away from that and I know this in younger people I don't know how you feel some younger people will say you need to get away from this now you're living in the past but I don't think it is living in the past I think what it is it's celebrating something that was so good and one of the things because I've seen it as well is people say should get the players to watch this and the coach should understand no you should get the players to watch it and look at the fans and go look at the fans reaction when we scored against Southampton we're going to an FA Cup final and we all believe we're going to win it but we've got to win that semi final when we won it in extra time it was that feeling of oh my god we're on the verge of winning a trophy and 14 years it's going to be 25 now but 14 years then for Everton football club it's going to be 25 because at the end of the day it's going to be a trophy in every age if you were in Everton and then your dad would have seen you win something that's how it's always been your dad would have seen you win something no matter what that's what it's always been unfortunately now people are looking at their granddad and saying that that's the problem we're getting to that point so what do you all take on it for me you always have to remember heroes because the club should probably do more and I'm not saying you should bring in Peter Ead this manager or anything like that I'm not saying that but example Neville Southall probably one of the greatest goalkeepers of all time let's be honest top 10, top 5 the latest for me for me as well and I wasn't even around but I would have watched Neville Superb he's this resource that Everton should be asking I'm not saying he's going to be the goalkeeper coach because he probably doesn't want to be the goalkeeper Harry Tyru it's the video session of me it would make a way of the difference I'm not saying that Neville is going to transform but that experience is something you lean on and as I said I asked to well Bartheslwn have got Patrick Clivey now running on the Messiah and I know we have those players these are players at a different level Neville is a winner Everton is the most winning goalkeeper really there's a difference between him and his knowledge he's one of the best in the world and that's the key Neville can teach as well as talking about the game and saying that's the difference not everyone can do that I do think that the certain things that Everton may need to modernise itself away from that's more on the same as the playing style and what we should do but that's by the by that's a different conversation but I do think that we should look to the pattern and we should hold up what they did because I would love to have seen that to me I've seen good Everton teams and we're one of the best two teams in this league I've never had that and when Liverpool were the best two teams in the league it was tiffatata every season I think there's a lot to be laying and I think the players should watch it and I'm not saying that there's something to be laying as you say the reactions to the fans the camaraderie the standard set by the senior players and the team and now you become champions really because you look at the modern evidence team now and you know I'll move the manager out just for a second because Marcel Brands is obviously the one who's creating this sort of ethos and this philosophy he's building a young side now this side may not be ready now so it's going to take a couple of years now Howard did the same if you look at the team in 82-83 it was 23 years old over the age 24 and 84-85 so he obviously had a piece of lead he was 26-27 obviously old as well and he started David Johnson knocking around in those early years as well he ran in 83-84 so you had that experience but you're also at those young players coming through and what was going to happen is they were all going to be at the brand together and I think you look at the evidence team now you go well Tom Davis is twice who people say he's not going to forever but in two or three years time Tom Davis is going to be ready now I think some people like us to bridge the gap because we don't have a patient game anymore back then a manager would get minimum two years very rare a manager like Brancliffe would get less than a year as a manager and that's the difference that is the change and that's obviously you have to apply more than thinking to it but there is lessons to be learned I think the elements of having mentors and things like that is hugely important as you said like you shouldn't be scared if you passed you should you know I think Roberto Manas when he brought in Howard he brought in Finch Farm he'd never been to Finch Farm Moise had never welcomed them and I think Moise was a little bit scared of the past and what it represented and that was one of his fails but Roberto wanted to embrace it and I think you've got to have a little bit of that and I know we've had when Dave Runsworth was giving the job and he had Joe Royal in his ear and things like that I think you've just got to have it running through the club you know we got to the dorm we got to documenting every position at the club seems to be filled with someone who played for the club and then the Asaman who comes in as well as an outside technical advisor to basically say you may all be a little bit too close to the club so I'm here to tell you what you're sort of not seeing so I think certainly someone like Neville would be amazing for the club but I just think as a whole I think it's important to because the whole point of this film is saying that this this is this film for everyone else and not Evertonians this is the show yet how important this club what this team was how good this team was and maybe that's why we go on about this team so much is because it doesn't get the appreciation from everyone else where some young people might go stop living in the past it's not a case of living in the past it's a case of the club again being overlooked by other people because we were not as good as Everton getting more credit than they deserved and that's why we hold them in such a high esteem and maybe once this film is out and out there we'll all go jobs done now we've given to the world and they don't want to appreciate it now that's up to them but it's also for me for Evertonians younger Evertonians standards where does that standard come from I've heard loads of Everton fans saying we shouldn't look at ourselves as a big club anymore be happy to be in the Premier League and you're like you will have to so you go on, what are you talking about be happy to be in the Premier League that's the sort of malaise that's set in over the club and there is that generational gap between the fans now I'm in the middle and I've obviously experienced the 90s and I think that's the problem is that you had that 90s period and then what David Moyes brought into the club was just safety and I'm not saying Moyes was it but he was good manager but there was just this element of comfort with it and I think people come into that and that's why the aim for that safety again is you know the clubs I think you know we hope you think the clubs wants to be ambitious now when we are taking maybe more risks and it might take time to bedding your mark will may or may not be the right man but it's going to take time it's not going to be quick because you've got a project that failed on the Girmann that's now having to be fixed so it's delaying if you take yourself away from it again as an Evertonian and you just look objectively at the football club right and yet you can criticise quite easily and go well they've spent a lot of money look where they are but you actually look at it and go right and go and have a look at it this is a club that's moving to a new stadium on the waterfront city centre incredible and it's also a club now that's employed the sport and direct it 18 months ago 16, 17 months ago they've got a young manager 42 years of age you know with 12 or 13 new players within that squad so they're building something they're building something there they're trying to get the team better and better so that when they're getting or as they're approaching Bramleymore it's a team that's established with younger players who they can sell if they need to and make money and reinvest and it's a team that will hopefully grow together with the manager so that when Bramleymore comes top 6, top 4 whatever or trying to get in there who's fighting at that end of the table where we all want it to be so when you look at it like that and you step away and you see their idea is a project of 3 or 4 years before ever in a way Marcel Brans thinks they should be but it was 16 months into that 17 months into that now results are massive they are not going to sit here and go I don't mind if we lose every week and there's a lot of plus points again this film and I said it at the thinking part one but this film shows you that even though at times when you're sat in the stands and you're looking and going this is crap whatever if you actually look at the quality of player it might just take one or two to knit it together it might we're very very close to having a good side I think I look at us I've said it all season haven't I I look at other teams who are above us and I go the hard players are better than what they have and yet they're above us lest they're a good side but I still think Evan have a better players they've got key players like Jamie Vardy who I'd love to have they've got team and they've got good players Madison is a good player the right back is a good player so they've got good players indeed fantastic players they've got good players but other teams as well so we're on that path we've got full credit to that team by the sign of Peter Athe and Andy Gray so we used to say Evan won't pick up two of these players that just bring the team in and all of a sudden it could be John Philippe Gabamon could come back and next minute he's like in Diddy and Armour Fee we don't know do we so that's what this film brought to me is that sometimes things might be closer than what you think I don't know whether this I'm not saying this team will turn into that team but you're looking at it as well I think we've talked about it in the past we aren't probably at that stage yet because we're still building the score where we need to just add those two players there's still a chain from what was previously there to what they're building I'll forgive Mark away and sense that maybe that's why he's having trouble bringing his own style to it because he's got this team that Cooman built in a lot of ways that's built for 2004 to play against Chelsea when he knows Chelsea because it was physical it wasn't very quick Michael Keane that really doesn't equate with what you've seen at Mark with Silver at Olympiacos and Sport and Lisbon where they were very fast transition heavy sides where they would predicate on one on one 1v1s if you look at the summer business that's what we would do I was just going to say though I think you have to recognise your own fairleys I think that's an important thing I think that comes out in the film I wasn't saying that at all but that's where he goes, no more of this brings Gary Stevens in brings other players in and then goes this is mine but you've got to recognise that he bought the Magnificent Seven only one lasted the other six just went poof it was easier though to get because we got, like Mickey Thomas is in that Magnificent Seven and Gary refused to play a reserve game in October and was gone now Mick Ferguson had to size four feet which was never going to work Mick Walsh was at the annual centre but he was okay he lasted the season and we moved on but he was alright Mickey Thomas had gone Jim Arnold never southwll Alan Bailey who looked like bloodshivers who debuted two great goals chipped the key he was gone and Alan Ains called from Leeds he was a decent footballer because he said Kendall sat there and said look who we're bringing in next at this press conference and he walked in and everyone was like fucks that Alan Ains called a decent player but he was gone as well so out of them like Pettisett there was one so seven players even in them days there was one I said to you before Gary Stevens he thought he was gone after us to leave because Brian borrows us in his place and he come through the reserves was in and out the first team we get tanked 5-0 by Liverpool at home he's in the team two weeks earlier he was thinking about leaving never saying there's a sharp ass for the transfer about nine times Radcliffe thought he was gone after go is that where Mark Higgins is still fit no no I think Higgins was no no Higgins was he was still around Mark Higgins but he wasn't playing that game it was Billy Knight we got Keely in from Black Bay and didn't play Radcliffe and he last 19 minutes we get B5-0 so there was moments Keely, no, that was it 19 minutes there wasn't in fact he terminated his loan a week later I think or something like that you missed your blank Keely on the podcast you went back and got a big beat for Black Bay but there was almost those sliding doors moments in that team recognising your own mistakes as well I messed up there because I think nowadays it's like the whole thing it's like societies thing instead of going when something's up and people know it's up they just keep going along with it going no I've made me mind I can't change I wrote it on Twitter I can't change I can't change and I wrote it on Twitter but that's what I'm saying but people don't want to be wrong now and we see it in football where people persist with things instead of going you know what and actually that's what I've cleared at Mark recently going get him out of the team get him out of the team get him out of the team and I'm going to play my team it took him too long to do it but he did finally say and again taking Keely out of the team you told him I'm going I can't do that he's just brought Siddybyn he's going to put a young lad and then he's got all these changes at once but he's going no no I'm happy doing that and that's what you've got to do you've got to know your own mind and be able to go I'm powerful enough at this club and when Howard was in charge he was being lorry easy he hasn't got anyone above him in there next person above him is Jim Greenwood he's just like science you know contract Jim you know contract Jim at the time and above him is John Moore or you know Philip Carter he really believed in him John Moore was there don't forget and John Moore demanded Everton be the best he demanded it and that's what we're talking about he could have demanded something else well he could have no John Moore's I'm saying but what Philip Carter did which you have to give him credit there was other stuff he should have done but what he did was what he did was he backed Howard Kendall when a lot of people were calling for him because those cushions are not cheap when a lot of people were calling and it would have been easy to just go you write the crowd and come through the ten styles here it's because the football's that dower and you know two weeks later with 18 matches on beat I think the difference obviously it's quite different now I think what ever fans need to do is obviously let's see what happens with the manager either way whatever happens but we need to give it time in the sense that it's going to have to play out these transfers because let's be honest here we signed these players and it's hardly completed it's a project and signed the rest the players that you signed to complete the team and then see what happens or you rip it all up again I think what's got we're in and out of this film but it is that idea if Markle doesn't want someone at the club and he's valuing the club then make sure you get it known you don't want to play it's not easy back in the day you only had two subs you had the needed and everyone else was gone so you've got to make a decision and he made the decision to go which he said he shouldn't have done but now it's different because if you're not playing it's just going to sit on the bench with those other seven people but on the ground she has the other day he thought he was going to have to move on haven't been bringing in Andy Gray 18 each day and he's thinking I'm going to have to move on that's the problem now as well back then it wasn't all but the finances were different now it's like you've got to appreciate an asset sitting on the bench you've got to use these players because they're earning money and there's none of this that's banished from the reserve team until I've been them off in like six weeks because the transfer window is also a player Cugel Madina The asset will be gone The asset will be gone at Christmas The asset will be gone at Christmas They're just getting the fit now to go and say to them and that will be three weeks No but it's a it's a brilliant a brilliant film and it'll just make you know what doesn't happen enough it'll make you appreciate being in there to tell me I'll make you proud to be in there to tell me Exactly, that's what I'm saying and that doesn't happen enough and there are reasons for that and some of the reasons you can actually watch in the some of the reasons do happen in the film but some of the reasons you say in the film Can you say that on your hands? No, not just that one but in the film that you just don't see do any more as a football club in terms of how how they come across You can see Howard Kendall the way he conducts himself even there's a couple of interviews when they've just won the European Cup on his cup and he's not like, oh he's singing and dancing with his cap on and his glasses and he's basically standing going how long is this going to take because we've got a plane to catch because I've got to get on because we've got a cup final on Saturday he knows what's going to happen on the plane everyone's going to have a berry but he's thinking and I ain't missing this plane for you where there's now not enough of that there's not enough of that we come first this is football all over Barrett this is not just an everything but the people at the top don't want to go things like that they don't let anyone push them around and I just think for too long as a club we've bowed down to what other people expect of us and sometimes the club have bowed down to what the fans expect of them and gone, no no, we're doing this and I don't care if you don't like it this is what we're doing and maybe, you know, you're talking about brands that's what brands sometimes maybe do is that, you go, no no, this is the this is for the best of the club I like, he might go I fully back mark whatever I can see what he's trying to do for all those reasons he's going to do for I think he does like him and I think, I mean, hard work in managing in four hours you know, the last two managers were gone by two they were lucky if they were around a Finch fan by about two o'clock One of them never took trains in he Well they didn't did he and this one's here till six and seven and it's a hard work and he wants to he really wants to do his very best for the club and our Kendall was like that he liked the bevy and all that but he was always thinking about everything listen, it's in the film the players say so it's not a thing it's still like that we got him Monday and he was like he's going to tell you what to get on the air he was laughing and all that but he wanted to go and bevy but that's our must and the one thing that the trucker said a couple of times in the film is that our Kendall said to them as a team and what was really really prevalent in the film oh no sorry, what's really patent in the film is that we've just seen André Gomez injured he last week and how everything reacted to it it's shown in the film the age and the tackle and then what Reid does but it's the fact that Kendall said to them if you're out in the pub as a team and someone starts on one of them what are you just going to do, you get round them and protect them and so you do that on the pitch it shows a fight a fight at QPA with Van Den Aal it's just about to get it it's just about to get it by Simon Steind it just annoys me, I was watching and I was annoyed thinking about it because I was watching and thinking and it's not a case I know people will go, you can't do that anymore of course you can't do that anymore of course you can't take retaliation out on a player to do your player but you certainly don't go over and start hugging them and then going into the dressing room to check if they're alright I'm sorry, I don't care what anyone says don't do that you stand up for your team before anyone else you put everything at your football club and your players and your fans before anybody else and at the end of the day this is sport son will be fine he's fine he's fine we've got a player who's now the team he still looks good in that new training gear fair play but the point being is that they haven't got footage of it a QPR where it all went off and everyone was involved apart from Neville we were sitting on the couch that day we had that top on that's the yellow top and Kevin Cheedy's on the side because Kevin Cheedy did not like a fight even with his own players is this the Mancown story? so that shows that everyone was prepared to jump in I know if people have different opinions but when I see players stand them round and there isn't you can't fake it this is because kids are brought through now and it is all softly softly when you watch under 18s and they don't touch each other and you're a pariah if you do put a tackle in and that's the problem it's not just that when they get time they get to the first team they don't know each other because they did a boot chufa night class weekend whereas in them days it was like every man feels you shouldn't come off the semifarno he's got two black eyes and he says when they took me off I was made up it freed me up because all he wanted to do was fight he's got a cut his nose he's got black eyes he's got a lips cut there's a game where age and age tells Andy Gray that the centre back is bullying him so Andy Gay goes ffarno and it's like that's what you have to do back in those days protect yourself first win the battle and everyone else followed but it's getting that spirit where it's everybody in the club against the team you're playing with so I'm not people can say what they want but I think what Seamus Coleman did last week just bans my head out that's as far as I'll go in criticising but it absolutely bans my head out that he done that it really does I'll say no more because if I do I'll get myself to double don't it's done but that does show you in that film how much how much if you're watching on the video how much they get round each other and they still talk about it now they talk about Alan Harper and Kevin Richardson and how key everyone of them says without them to we wouldn't have won anything because they were key shout out to all said to me on the interview we've done which will be out on Peyton how good professionals would they they wouldn't play for a month and they'd come in and be man of the match and then they'd be out to see in the next week Kevin Richardson had come in to score two goals and be dropped because she was fit again and they both said we went up to Albert and were like why aren't I playing why aren't we playing you did that was a good decision when he'd done it famous phrase but you know why aren't I playing and Albert was like he's better and he just went we am his luck Andy Grayshers Andy Grayshers was frustrated because he wasn't in the team but they would turn it up he was sharp and he'd train off him and it was that a wave for me James you know when it's that desire about wanting to be better and have a shout out and get in at eight o'clock and dive around in a sample for now and half before training a sample haven't had a sample at the side of the team we're up next to a wall and you whack a ball dive but he'd do that then he'd train and then he'd go and carry on and do his own strain and we didn't want to see a video of Neff full pelt time and having a sample I'm sure there's an equivalent of it now did you have a thing going on in the money or a bungee thing did you do that? did you do all the things where you hit it in a ball to flex well he'd tell us about the training session I don't know what Neff and Gordon Banks but they tell a story the players about shooting and he'd be like the eight o'd it because he'd just be heading the shot you'd be whacking a sharp or saying you'd be like other goalies you'd be in your score and it was good and I think it's Kevin Sheedy or Trevor Stephen or Sheedy he said he made me a better finish because I had to put the ball in the top corner for him not to get it that was what the demand I just wonder now nowadays if a player demands something off his team not just that evidence but just in football in general you said that the other weekend when you got sold to later team you walked off with a carbon and you had a couple of weeks sulking I've got a new team now and I love it I love it I got mad at the man in the first game and I was like who's this who's this young man because I was young compared to the rest of them I go on then you have a game of walking football get out your delta as I'm saying you from playing football I've got your own standards of what you want literally everyone who played hates me and still do won trophies what about people who haven't played with the team they ate me it but they haven't got trophies but what I'm saying is you've got those standards wasn't a kid team you all hate it what were you doing to them I was demanding when I run a team we went all over the north west and if we didn't play how I thought we should play I destroyed them in front of people and you know what I look back and go maybe I shouldn't have done that then I go well there's all the medals to prove that we've done it whatever level you're at that's what you should have done man we had to go to a place like Aquanson we had to go to Rhyl on a Wednesday night you want to go to Rhyl on a Wednesday night and we beat them 2-0 and it was brilliant and they were all going mad and I thought they were going to barricade us in how would you play people with three arms as I was saying I've seen something a Merino I'll alleviate the court interview and he's Merino he was that into my helmet Merino he said I never played you never played me but I had so much respect for him because you didn't mess with him you listened to that thing of that demand every day so I tried my best to improve by training but you don't know how to play them but he was saying those demands there what this 84-85 team did was demander of each other so call on Avi call on Avi set the standards you do this, you do that and he's played for the whole eternity the greatest of my faith so you'd look at him and go you see Peter he's talking about that and Paul Braishwell like this fella was amazing so Avi's telling me but it's about standards every single day so that carried on and I just wonder now that those players some of them will some of them will that's why you can say see pep in that documentary when he's going on but you see when he goes you can hate me hate me guys, I don't mind if you hate me guys so he obviously demands and he obviously says we've seen it when Tottenham were doing alright they were when they first started the process and Pochettino got with us from players who? he's your favourite one what's his name? he basically said one and ten player didn't he because he basically said to him when he first came in he said to all those players you come with me and I'll make you we won't win in trophies but I'll make you good players we'll get to a fan but we won't win very much the moist of his day I'll make you brilliant players but you've got to put the hard work in for me and you've got to sacrifice it you've got to cut out all those videos and you've got to none of that and he said you've got to on people like Tarns I'm like I'm not prepared to work hard so where do they get you off Newcastle and they're never going to do anything and that's the point isn't it players can have nice little careers no problem 18-18 now he's got five year contact he's set for life no problems at all but what do you want out of the game and the difference between having a nice career where afterwards you go where I can get on a look good I'll get on a match of the day or do you want to at the end of it go I don't need to do anything but if I want to go on Sky I can go on like Roy Keane and go well yeah I'll show me your medals let's have a chat about 40 and whatever your opinion is and whatever my opinion is my opinion is with the elevators because I've been there done it in money I've played in Roy Keane I'll say I've played in your opinion cup semi-final when I knew I wasn't going to play in the final and I would score the goal in Goddard's day where you know well Danny Mayfield pick any of them Janice at the waist Janice will just go I had a nice career for Spurs and I played for you guys and you know what I mean that's the point if you want to at the end you create which is what you're all it's like at some audition of the day I was like imagine me in an athlete and going yeah I think I'll just finish sixth every you know what's the point you're supposed to win and we don't see that enough of a football as we go I want to win and you want to win and you're not winning so get yourself sorted Peter Eid having a go with people on the pit and then Andy Gray and what's funny is they're still having a go with each other and picking individual games out and going that game you a crap and then going are you still having a go with me and that yes and that's the point isn't it Andy Gray said I've got a no Peter Eid when you meet a great story teller he's brilliant, he starts off and you just go and let him go on and he goes I've got this ball I've got this ball, I've played it and it's a sharp put sharpy through, he's in on his right foot I'm thinking just stick it in the net I've been up to win the double and he said sharp stops and things like give the ball and he's like what the fuck are you doing in sharp giving all the running me embrace the running everywhere and Andy Gray is like I wasn't tired and they're giving each other the panther and then they had to talk about the cuff fan reading the semi-fan against Luton you weren't missing for that game and that's the point picking out individual games where they're going you a crap and you can imagine for days after training that's the point and you can imagine what's going on that's not good and this is what I don't see enough in football anymore is people taking personal responsibility and grabbing older someone else and going I've seen loads of fans in the last few years we know the one pulled your shirt over your face Williams don't we instead of going what's going on I hate it I look at Pickford sometimes and all I want to see him do is what I'm going what did you do what did you do Dave it's all cool in that film you've got fans you've got fans on house saying my fault for white sides goal and then Peter E comes on and goes it was Neville and Pat both were their fault and then everything read going Andy Gray's going in a cuff fan and we're breaking all share we're breaking with 3 on 1 why's Peter Ead he said when's he ever knocked it passed someone on round round he said he just passed it with score he said he doesn't and they still like that and you're on saturday you're on saturday I see someone just that round snaddling and no one says a way to and he doesn't look bothered either by it and he was actually when he was all standing snaddling was the first person I thought of I just went that was what I thought I was thinking that's the difference between winners and someone who's just happy to have a nice career that's called the culture isn't it you find that everywhere though that's not just Evan it's the culture of and you know what it's the culture of people being brought up and it's not their fault because this is what I always think this is what's funny no one people go your generation and I always think your generation brought that generation up to go are you a terrible when you were a kid I'll go yeah you're my mum it was your job to stop me being terrible that's just an example my mum was a terrible mother it's not the point though isn't that the point though all these people might go well this generation now we watch it under 18s and they're all like none of them tackle do you think any of those kids would like to tackle or have they been told not to tackle this is the problem of football kids have been brought up in an era where a manager Sam Alethys is praised like it's a trophy but I don't that's not what I'm not talking about no I know what you mean but this is also part of it it's clubs to stay in the Premier League because it's somewhere that's football that's the point that's the problem isn't it and I say it that's the problem isn't it because we come out all staying in the Premier League so you sacrifice the chance of winning something by saying it but it's the other side I'm somehow like the whole bring and play is through it they're not tackling each other and you see what's mad is I think everything I've won under 18s I've won again this year like 9 or 10 nil and then I've been beaten 5 nil and it's like what's going on there and it's because it is just tippy-tappy round each other but that's not their fault we're not, we stop bringing through players and this is why people like with Charleston and Jerry Mina and Bernard and Newea Crete stand out like a mild day, they don't get brought up did, we've come out this week wasn't it my nephew's played three games this season in a junior league because every game gets called off because the pitch is not fit to play could you imagine that in other countries to be like no lad that hasn't even got soil on it that's made a gravel get on with it and you just play some pitches on the pitch it's like the angle we're just running down that's the water off though but that's the point isn't it most sales games are never off that's the point though isn't it we're not bringing through players who understand that culture because people don't want them to be that the first thing now is if anyone's I'm not even asked to be honest you just scrap on the pitch red, red you used to I don't want to see any more of that away you go and you go but if it happens you're going to get sent off whereas now I imagine the first bad tackle it's off you go but you might need to be sent off can you take your player off the pitch it's like that doesn't breed what we need that doesn't breed what we need that does not breed what we need the whole thing you can talk about that the kids are brought up at the clubs all on that Liverpool did this where they put every player on the same wage it's setting the age group I think brands are planning to try and make them hungry because a lot of clubs, especially Chelsea it's all my kids aren't like 16 or 18 grand a week I've told you what to do this is what they should do there's an away game gives them a little bit of money no phone and say the first 11 I'll turn up at the ground and get to play that'll get you there that's if you want to play it's about personal development if you don't want to play, why would we want you at the club let's go and see some of these kids that have been scored double the numbers they're hunting or something you need people shadowing them just in case anyone goes missing a couple of shadow people in the background and the first 11 they play and let's separate let's separate them let's make sure we're getting the people who's in the middle of the test the Joker root there's one position in this team the goalkeeper who's taking it it's taking it I think that's a good place to wrap up the podcast now the place to wrap it up is make sure you check the film out it's absolutely brilliant and just for anyone who's saying we need to move on and stop looking in the past watch it and then move on watch the film and redefine your standards for this football club that's what it's all about get it, you can get it on digital downloads you can buy the DVD, it'll be the one because it's got X's on it including Jamie Martin who's the kitman but was the coach driver it's got half an hour of Everton 5 so get that it's great if you actually have the DVD you've got it you can buy them if you want to put them, that's the point you're not going to get your X's off the screen I'm just saying that you can get it there just every Evertonians to see this film now everyone because it's just important it's important that people watch it it's not just important that you watch it it was important that it was made so support the guy who made it he's a brilliant blue he's from Cornwall for a start dedication he has got a level of dedication and support him in making this because we're always moaning about that there isn't enough Everton out there in the media and I've seen this great film and this great film of this team this guy's put money into it himself a lot of his own money into it this is a project a real passion project he's gone all round the world to get these interviews but they're going to see it on factor the rest of the week and you know what, get in touch with you and say oh no we're brilliant to do another Q&A somewhere because this is the kind of film where you can take these players grab a couple of players, do it and have a Q&A and you know what, if it's worth as well he will if it's worth as well he will you could, you know and as both support him because this team deserves to be appreciated and the man who made it deserves to be appreciated and shout to Dave as well for all his work as well in it which is brilliant it's cut down to the right hands I spoke to Rob when he was here you worry if it was in the wrong hands but when you speak to Rob you know entirely this is like the perfect theatre but an Everton fan who's also a great documentary maker so it's perfect for Everton there you go, we've wrapped it up from the Mandalorian to Rob Sloan there you go, some people would say he never takes his mask off so you'd never know it could be Rob on the next day there you go thanks for listening, we'll be back next week see you later