 I guess I forgot I had a new card in this card. My bad. Don't take that back. I'm just gonna take that bag. And then kiss on the gap. Kiss on the gap. Kiss on the gap. Kiss on the gap. Kiss on the gap. Kiss on the gap. Oh, hi. Oh, yeah? Yes. She keeps me on. I'm gonna have it. I'm gonna kiss you. I'm gonna have it. Hey, what do you mean? You're gonna have it. I'm gonna have it. I'm gonna have it. I'm gonna have it. Yeah, we are gonna call off. Yeah, we are gonna call off. I'm gonna have it. Kiss on the gap. Kiss on the gap. Kiss on the gap. Kiss on the gap. Oh, yeah? Oh, that's real. Okay, I'm gonna have it. Kiss on the gap. Kiss on the gap. Kiss on the gap. Okay, I got it. Thank you. Okay, I got it. I'm not sure if I can get it on. I don't know where to get it. You want to put it on? Yeah, you can put it on the president board. He said he could send me a picture. That was like that. Yeah, I'm not back to where I was saying. I'm not going to go out there. I'm not going to go out there. I'm not going to go out there. I'm not going to get it on. You get used to it. I forgot to get on the classroom. You can come to the short supply. If you go to the chief is going to be back, but you have to get it changed. I don't know where you are. I'm going to never go to college. I just want to get on to the short supply. All right, go ahead. All right, you can go. The time is now 4.52 and the special affairs meeting is now called to order. Roll call and clerk. Mr. Mayes. Present. Ms. Lewis. Present. Ms. Murphy. Yeah. Mr. Frearsley. Present. Ms. Winifrey Carter. Present. Ms. Burns is not in. Mr. Pfeiffer. Present. Ms. Werthing. Present. You have 7 members present? We have 7 members present. President. Request for changes in addition to the agenda. I don't know if anybody will go over you. The board of the debate will cease to be a two-thirds of the California government, but it's just the majority of the California government. So I have to wonder whether, Madam Chair, it sounds like to me that it needs to be disbanded and abortion before that. Is it out here that's right? If it's remained, we didn't get a chance to vote yet. So the point of order is, what was broken? I'm trying to say to that. What was number one? Madam Chair, we did vote on their motion to vote. But I didn't rule. Vote immediately. If a second, we voted, and you didn't. And I didn't, and I didn't rule. What did you mean you didn't rule? The vote speaks for itself, doesn't it? Well, if you don't rule, they do. So I have to call the vote, but... So the point of order is... Bill is for Mr. Mays to continue to speak about his point of order before the chair have announced the outcome of the vote. So go ahead, Mr. Mays. Madam Chair, for you to... Can you and me, I can discuss this in the appeal. You said it was 16.1. A motion to suppress a name, but the motion is supported. Debate will cease immediately. There was no debate going on. What's happened, Mr. Mays? 17, 17.1. According to Mr. Mays, the council may decide by majority vote to limit or determine the time for discussion of a pending motion. When no motion pending, or to modify or remove limitations already imposed. It was limitations already imposed. This may include a limit of time for each council person to speak to the issue. Here you go, Mr. Mays. That particular reputation, this ain't even limited to time. This is, I guess, intended to give no time to debate and discuss in this appeal. Since it was denied, I'm going to vote two different votes. Make a matter of it, because I don't get what the proof described it. In the rules for a year, in a few months, both rules that I'll review is premature or being misapplied. I'm in here with the intent. No agenda changes, no discussion. And this previous motion was premature. The chair ruled that it's not, and I don't think the chair will know those rules. And so I'll be voting yes, but by a due is a recall that's happening. Would you like to speak on this appeal? Yes. Mr. Murphy? Thank you. The motion that was originally put on the floor was just to not debate any agenda changes. But to still add, you still can add an agenda change. So you could say, for instance, I would like to add on the agenda to talk about the opera dollars, or I would like to add on the agenda to talk about John Doe. And what we'll do is we'll vote immediately on that agenda change without debate. So we either voted up or voted down. So it's not that we vote on this is not allowing our colleagues the opportunity to actually add any additional agenda changes on the agenda. It's just to limit debate or talk about it when we get to that agenda change. Because if we don't do that, what will happen is we will add on here an agenda change. And then we'll debate it, or we'll talk about it for five or 10 minutes. Then we'll turn around. And what makes it so bad is if we add an agenda change and then we don't limit any kind of debate, when you add an agenda change, I believe that the agenda change comes with unlimited minutes where you can talk about it as long as you want to. And what we want to do is be respectful of the time that we have in the county building, and we have a lot on agenda. And we do want to discuss the agenda. We do want to do the business of the city and friends. If any of my colleagues have anything on agenda that they would like to have discussed, they're more than welcome to discuss it. And hopefully any of my colleagues is not trying to stop people from being able to discuss anything on agenda. What we are just trying to do is be respectful of each other's time and also be able to conduct the business. Because we have a lot of business on here. And if you know our last meeting, we wasn't able to finish the complete business of the city of Flint. And that's what we are attempting to do. So this is by no means an attempt not to add any agenda changes on the agenda. Thank you. All right. Thank you, Mr. Murphy. Anyone else? Will I speak on this appeal? If there's no one else to speak on this appeal, I will utilize my time and turn it over to the attorney Kim. Attorney Kim? Thank you, Council President. The motion was a motion to vote immediately on all one-on-a-lot of changes that could be proposed. One-on-a-lot of. What is your point? Your time and turn it over to the attorney. Once I see this president getting set, I want to know two or three things. One, it's the clock running. Two, we can give our time to the votes. And three, but this is ready to set up. This is a vote in the determination of Council. I haven't seen this opportunity in books. I want to give Woodson my time and the next. Mr. Mayne, your point of order is denied. We have to stage your main to the agenda. So, thank you. Point of order, Madam Chair. What were we broken, Mr. Mayne? Me discussing whether or not the attorney and Woodson can chime in, has dipped your main to you giving the floor to Attorney Kim. Don't start early. Don't appeal your ruling on your main. It will be your own. So don't get plagued with Woodson. I am back. Thank you. Attorney Kim? Rule 16.1 does state that a two-thirds of the council member is present. I want to clarify that. And the present was seven members. And so five is two-thirds of that. So the president was correct that the motion passed. Rule 16.2 states that a motion to vote in need is not debatable. And so there is no debate on the motion to vote immediately. Request for information. What's your request? Attorney Kim, you read Rule 16.1 and 2 or something. But you skip and over a part of it. If you're talking about how many people is present in 16.1 and 2, what you read, why are you skipping over the part that talks about any talks about moving the motion to appeal it? It will cease debate. It was no debate. You're skipping over the part. And I want to hear what you say about what the definition of debate is. Do you understand that debate is when a motion is pending that is relevant to cease and debate and vote immediately? No debate. It was no motion on the floor. What you say to that? I'll say that your interpretation of the rules is incorrect. Mr. Fiverr, Mr. Fiverr. Mr. Fiverr, without a motion or a privileged motion. Thank you. Point of order. Correct. Mr. Fiverr. Madam Chair. What's your point? We was in a point of order. Fiverr. Mr. Fiverr want to be so intelligent these last couple. We point of order. Mr. Mayfield, would you like to call me a point of order? When I interrupted, I get a point of request for information. He answered it. Mr. Fiverr, I'll allow point of order because I followed up with my request for information. If you and Mr. Fiverr want to play these games, I will play them to the heel. Now you ruled on my point of order because he didn't answer the question. I asked him, and he don't have to get the team 102 to deal with a pending motion. He says that I'm not misinterpreting what the baby is because any food is when a motion is pending. He avoided the question, he read the rule, you called him to take your place, and we don't get to the bottom line. Mr. Fiverr, let's see how you ruled on my point of order as it relates to the relevancy of that motion. Okay, excellent. So the attorney cannot answer your question. So I'm going to go back to the rules. So it stated that it was a motion on the floor, and the motion was asked to vote immediately. If you will look at rule 16.2, it says that motion to vote immediately is not debatable. Rule 16.2 says that a motion to vote immediately was to put on the floor by Councilman Priestly is un-debatable. So that makes it un-debatable. So because it said in 16.1 that two-thirds of the Councilman was present is required for the motion to carry, we only have seven, we only have seven people here. So therefore we don't have two-thirds. So that motion was not going to carry. I didn't get an opportunity to finish ruling before a point of order was called. So that is how I'm going to end this debate, being that again rule 16.2 states that a motion to vote immediately is not debatable, and that is according to our Council rules. So if you vote, no, you will vote to overturn the ruling of the chair. If you vote yes, you will vote to uphold the ruling of the chair, which is upholding Council rule 16.1. What is your point? That ain't what this appeal wanted to say. What the clerk and the eminent meet clerk and midwife in memory with this appeal worth any amount stated right. Mr. Rains, that was a proper point. However, let me help you state a proper point. It was no improper point. The record speaks for itself. I'm calling a point of order because you misstated the appeal. How is that? The point of order was about this being debatable. That being said, what? The appeal wasn't whether or not it was debatable. The appeal was whether or not that rule applied. I didn't call the vote. You say you didn't rule on it, but I want to help you, the clerk, anybody know what my appeal is. Okay, so let me go ahead and state this correctly. Excuse me, no vote. No vote is in favor of the chair. A yes vote is against the chair. And that's about our party rule 16.2. Roll call, Madam Clerk. Ms. Lewis. No. Mr. Murphy? No. Ms. Prisley? No. Ms. Winfrey Carter? Yes. Ms. Burns? Mr. Pfeiffer? No. Worthing? No. Mr. Mays? Three yes, five no. The vote is three yes, five no. The vote of the, the rule of the chair stands. Is there a, the chair will entertain a motion to limit debate to one round, one minute. Point of order, Madam Chair. Point of order. Point of, of point where you will don a, the motion Ms. Prisley made. So I withdraw on the chair and obtained the motion because the vote of our meeting passed. Point of order. What is your point? So the vote is five to two. Five to two. So there, so then we will vote immediately in sequence for any proposed agenda change. Madam Chair, point of order, point of, a request for information. What's your point? You did not state the correct rule, it was six to three. No. It was not six to three. It's the vote that occurred earlier. Okay. Thank you. Madam Chair, do you want to? Do you want to give it to me for a second? Madam Chair, I must speak of this like a time period. It doesn't get unwanted. You are there dragging. You don't have a floor. Point of order. Madam Chair, a request for information is a privilege motion. I did point of order. You must be now. Would you get the floor. If you don't cease talking and a point of order. I make a motion that you be removed currently in this meeting. Mr. Mayes, what is your point? According to the Council, you must be acknowledged. Point of order. You must be acknowledged. Point of order. Mr. Mayes, what is your point? Madam Chair, this meeting that you, Attorney Kim, and everybody else who want to, is Mr. Murphy St. Cherry Pick the Roots. When I say to request for information, you have to job as a Chair was to acknowledge that request of information so I could see what it's all the point of order. Which is higher than this point in this motion to have you removed as Chair so we won't get bogged down which you are playing the rules wrong, not acknowledging privileged motions, too eager to give members warnings. This is getting a little much. I want you to rule on my point of order whether you were sucking out that straw and didn't honor my request for information. I want you to rule on my point of order that you didn't immediately stop talking and asking me what my point was. Rule on that. Mr. Mayes, point of order is denied. According to rule 25.1, the purpose of a point of order is to correct a breach in the rules when the presiding officer does not correct it or when the presiding officer makes the breach of the rules. Furthermore, following our rule 25.2, upon a point of order, what is your point? My point is it is a breach when you don't acknowledge a request for information. My privilege motions I deny immediately and I so will be. Furthermore, point of order denied according to rule 25.1. Point of order. Upon a point of order, I'm appealing your ruling. What ruling? That my point of order is denied on privilege motions. You just ruled it was denied. I'm appealing immediately. Your job matters the fastest. There's a second to the appeal. Is there a second to the appeal? Yes, there is. So the appeal is the fact that the chair denied Mr. May's point of order for violating and I was getting out rule 25.1. Point of order now. Point of order. What is your point? My appeal is that you're ignoring the two highest privilege motions. Okay, thank you. So his point of order that I am ignoring his two highest appeals. Privilege motions. You got it? You got to say it right. Okay. So with that being said, I stated what the appeal was about in any discussion. Madam chair, according to your rules you go to the maker of the appeal verse. In discussion, you first come to me and see if there was to speak on the appeal you need to check that. Proceed, Mr. May's. I know I'm a proceed. And I'm a proceed which you not trying to make a clown show out of this council meeting. And the reason I say that because a request for information and should stop. Even you drinking out of that straw being said you didn't acknowledge my privilege motion. Attorney Kim without a order letting out a response to Ms. Barnes he have to come through the chair. You're the chair. He can't just howl out. And I said if you don't let Attorney Kim get away with that in our meetings I'm going to just start doing it. And I don't want no warning. I don't want you calling the police because I don't know what his nationality is but whatever his nationality is if he can just howl out and I'm meeting so can I. A black man. I'm looking at that. Barnes, I did a request for information and Attorney Kim was talking. You sucking out of the straw and didn't acknowledge. I can chest high as me and say you ought to order. I didn't acknowledge. Well quit drinking out the straw and back with a point of order the two highest privilege motions and after you denied that you got to acknowledge my request and that Attorney Kim came just howl out you tried to proceed and give me a warrant. I'm going to appeal your route. I'm going through the chair. I do have a right to request information when I came here some properly from Barnes and Kim and I went out of order in 10 or 12 minutes and you tried to warn me and I'm exercising privilege motions. If you won't leeway to drink out the straw and ignore a privilege motion I didn't leeway to drink out the straw but I'm not going to leeway to come and touch a chair in too busy drinking out of the straw. See the video through the chair and it captures you drinking out of the straw order because I don't trust you and I'm doing stuff in order. Detail. Anyone else I speak on this appeal? Madam Chair. Ms. Byron. This is going to be a long time. We got to be out here by 9.30. So when you in the complaint we see that they say that Councilman Mage won't say he's the problem but how you chair is also a problem because 25.1 also state the purpose of a point of order is correct to breach in the rules. You consistently through every minute you don't acknowledge him personally. I mean you do it and it's consistently then you shut him down then you say point of order denied the rule of the chair is to keep the meeting going and keep everyone in the meeting. Your objective has been to put him out of the meeting and that's not going to work and so when you wonder why he separates all 21 items and everything else it's because there is no respect give him probably back and forth from each side but not only do you not give him respect you don't give respect for anyone including myself and also Councilman Jeremy McCartney you just don't just like you gave her a warning before because she said she looked at you you're not fair you're not fair you're not impartial so when you're chairing it's not you make I feel I don't have a voice on this council when you chair you're not a fair chair you're not fair at all things that you do even to looking back and I looked at some video you had someone send Attorney Katina Urban sent a very lengthy email I hope you read that email because she had some very good insight on things your response back to her was a very flippant response and then she came back again to try to give you from woman to woman from professional to professional some good advice and you cannot take constructive criticism just like what you just did with your face and turned it up when I said that you did you are so dismissive of everything you have to be fair with everyone and it shows you're not you have one meeting when you kept calling the police on the residents who spoke you kept doing that that's not the place for officer McCartney to be doing that we don't want to use the police to intimidate the speakers it wasn't violence here when we talk about those rules and rule was broken and it specifically tells us 25.4 a point of order cannot be ignored by the presiding officer you are the presiding officer you ignored them once, twice you just kept ignoring them then you kind of looked down and was like Mr. Mays what is your point of order to acknowledge it the first time and we wouldn't have to have gone through all of that the first time would have been your responsibility to acknowledge them whether you disagree with them or like them or not you're the chair I would like for you to please be fair thank you anyone else want to speak on this appeal Madam chair I try not to speak because I just want this to be over with it's now been a half an hour over someone's grievance they're voting quickly so we can't even vote quickly we're trying to move this along because we have to be out of here in four hours and we're not going to be out of here we will be but we won't be done with the agenda and that's unfortunate so I don't know why we would bring up things that happened in the past let's focus on what's happening right now and what's happening is obstruction the majority agrees so anyone who talks on the appeal keeps appealing you're supporting obstruction of the city business and that's unfortunate we need to get things done why even have these meetings at all if your sole purpose is to not get anything done we might as well let the state take over again I mean that's where it's headed if we can't function so I'd like to see Mr. May so we can speed up this process and get some work done thank you anyone else who likes to comment Mr. Murphy so all we was voting on is to limit the debate or not have a debate on the motion to agenda changes now we hear in all of this different what he said I would suggest that you do some research for some training for parliamentary procedures maybe look at exploring bringing us in to help us chair these meetings and I've been even prior to me getting on City Council I think we need some extra eyes and ears to help us move these meeting forward because what I'm hearing is my colleagues take answers of the rules interpret them how they feel like they should fit and that's almost how people use scriptures in the Bible and take scriptures and interpret scriptures to be however they ideology or philosophy or what it is to make it fit how they want it to win whatever argument that they're trying to so we're going back and forth on interpretations of the rules so I believe we need a parliamentary or a sergeant of arms either or I would like for Divina to do some research to see what that is also I think we need to probably look at going to a retreat because it's a lot of hostile emotions with each one of us including me sometimes with our colleagues and we got so much potential within us that we can do so much great things for the City of Flint and to come to meeting after meeting after meeting and spend a lot of I'll call it fabulous time going back and forth with each other I'm helping the people of the City of Flint move the City of Flint forward and take care of the business of the City of Flint and it's going on almost two years and we're still at each other's throat so I think we need to look at doing a deep dive within ourselves to try to think outside the box and get some training to better be able to facilitate a decent in order meeting this one time I don't think nobody letting go on the ideology of philosophy of what they feel in this community hostage thank you anyone else want to speak on this appeal alright so seeing none I will go ahead and I will be the last speaker so it's definitely true that we need three of the administrative procedures to get a parliamentarian but before we can get a parliamentarian we must make sure that we get respect because regardless of who we bring if we don't have a mutual respect for the individual and just for the process for moving the City forward it would be non-beneficial and very unfruitful so we must make sure that we maintain the calm yes I had to take a drink real quick before I started coughing on the mic and according to the council rules take a quick sip before you rule so according to the rules 25.1 just to be clear a point of order is not to prove a point or to talk to the audience members or anything point of order is to correct or breach in the rules when the presiding officer does not correct it or when the presiding officer makes a breach of the rules that's rule 25.1 I didn't make a breach of the rules it was not a breach of the rules so what's your request Mr. Lewis you don't understand ignoring a request for information breach of the rules is that what you're saying okay so according to rule 26.4 you'll get a request for information the opportunity to gain a floor is not allowed most who abuse the request for information is called for disciplinary actions so that's what we must understand going forward and so according to rule 25.2 before I was interrupted with another from this point of order a point of order should not be used for minor infractions that do not affect the substantive rights of the city council or its members again a point of order should not be used for minor infractions that do not affect the substantive rights of city council or its members why do I agree that because when I'm up here I'm sharing specifically by the rules I do apologize as others are intimidated or do not like hearing the rules but the rules will be enforced as long as I didn't see Mr. Maynes when you make points of order they should be to correct a breach in the rules if there's no breach in the rules your point of order will be denied so that those are the council rules set forth by this council so if your point of order is not correcting a breach in the rules then it will be denied if it's used for minor infractions such as me sucking out of a straw to clear my throat then it will be denied because that is not a breach in the rules so going forward if we continue to have breaches of the rules by abusing privileged motions you will be issued a warning and that goes for every council member so with that being said we're going to go ahead and go to the vote for this appeal if you vote for no you will uphold the ruling of the chair yes we'll overturn the ruling of the chair we'll call a mental court Mr. Murphy no Ms. Priestley no Ms. Winfrey Carter yes Ms. Burns yes Mr. Pfeiffer no Ms. Worthing no Mr. Mayes yes Ms. Lewis no the vote is 3 yes 5 no the vote is 3 yes 5 no no the ruling of the chair stands so now we are on the separation of request for changes and or addition to the agenda Dear Madam Chair Mr. Mayes I literally should deal with public safety to vote $100,000 and I want this added to the agenda consent agenda okay so you want to add it prior to the consent agenda so we have that and we have called this resolution number one okay so anyone changes to the agenda Madam Chair Ms. Priestley yes I have a resolution to approve a reappointment to the CY committee and City Clerk is passing that out now okay alright so we'll we'll call this alright and that'll be add on number two any more additions so seeing that we have none we will go ahead and we will vote immediately in sequence for 1 on 1 Madam Chair excuse me what is Mr. Mayes 1 on 1 Madam Chair my point is that if y'all time you can do one of these without objections and we can move on it don't take a vote in a committed meeting to do that again that's improper Mr. Mayes so that will be your first one there's an appeal I'll support his appeal alright this has been supported so according to the rules that we just made the point of order and point of information cannot be used to take the floor or for minor infractions so that request for information was that request was improper go ahead Mr. Mayes because it's getting to that point and it's in the vote rock step they give me a 1 and they throw me out of a meeting previously that I've been elected to a seat for because I told them as a senior council person this is a committee you don't need a vote you can order this without objections but she's the chair she's smart that Dr. Lewis she's forgetting that it's a committed meeting we gotta be out of here by 9.30 I can order previously in Mayes this agenda change without objections and we can be moving on to public speaking we don't need any discussion so she's so out done she's so out done it to her attention I'm going to give you a warning I've never seen anything like that I'm glad I got a minute in 13 seconds this is a deal Lewis is abusing her power you know I'm the senior council person trying to help them speed up meeting then they get mad when I protest and do the separation because all five of them voted retweeted me to throw my black ass out in the whole town watching they watching from Virginia to Mississippi to Alabama if they prove normally they prove a certain black vote I just wish you'd want him until he's throwing him out because you know then we get something done we get stuff done when you have something this worth and you have to worth it for the last four years this person was your point that discussing attendance records has nothing to do with this appeal you are absolutely right Mr. Presley Mr. I appeal to ruling other chair I appeal to ruling other chair that she's absolutely right the ruling is Mr. Mayne please stay to Mayne I appeal to ruling other chair that she's absolutely right that attendance don't have none to do with votes you say she's absolutely right you didn't want her I appeal to ruling other chair Okay. Mr. May, according to council rules, the purpose of, excuse me, is there another second? Yes, Madam Chair, I'll support that appeal. Okay. So we're gonna put that on the stage. So appeal for ruling that you were not germane to the appeal that was presented by council and priestly. Okay. All right, so since you were ruling, because I didn't make a ruling, I just said that she was correct. So we will go ahead and just make an official warning. So that'll be the warning number two. So we will. One of what, Madam Chair? What is the point? You did make a rule that Miss Priestly was correct. And it was not germane. Now what appeal are we on? So we're gonna finish the first one. And then we're gonna go directly into the second one. Okay. And I will also appeal the ruling that Miss Priestly was now, or do you say I got a warning because it wasn't a major creature made for you? Mr. May, you know, I'll appeal the ruling out of here as it relates to her. It's appeal. A winner, boy. We have it now. So is there a second to his appeal? Do we already get that second? No, that's a deal. And you've not given the white lady a warning on the breach of the point of order. You've made that point clear. And you wanna do it now. So you're gonna have three appeals. Is there a second? I'll appeal that you didn't want the white woman. It appealed that I didn't want the white woman. Is that what it is? That is as it relates to her point of order that wasn't a major breach. I'm talking in a disguise order. So Mr. May, so Mr. May, so let's get it clear. So we have the second appeal that, so the second and the third appeal, they are the same. No, they have. The white woman did a point of order. And when she did that point of order, that's what I'm appealing. You wanna phrase my appeal. I'm appealing the one that you ruled that she was okay to do it. And I'm appealing that she did a point of order and you didn't warn her saying it wasn't a major breach. You calling me talking about the evil word and the dangerous, mal-made breach. Mr. May, so let's go ahead and... Oh, you go ahead and ask us there a second. Mr. May. Point of order and appeal on this discrimination that you treasoned the white woman. Mr. May, your job is to be quiet so the chair can chair. So with that being said, we are in the middle of the first appeal and then we have the second appeal and then we will have the third appeal. So the third appeal means the second and their second. Yes, it is. All right, so with him, Ricardo, she's second at that appeal. So we're gonna go ahead and go back to the first one and Mr. May's have four seconds left on the clock. Madam chair, yes, you showing you. Okay, so thank you that's your time and please make sure that you do not use vulgar language and exercise the poem. So anyone else who like to chair? Ms. Prisley, and this is the first appeal. Yes, this is the appeal where he stated that you could order without objection. However, we could not because we approved the motion that I made that said we voted in sequence. So yes, he was out of order with that and I support the ruling of the chair. Thank you. Anyone else would like to speak? So now I will utilize my time. So just like California Prisley said, we already voted immediately to vote immediately. So that will already just have a beginning of the meeting. So that was the first step. And the second step is according to the rule, you cannot utilize privilege motions to gain the floor. It's called for disciplinary actions. And the disciplinary action that we are, that the chair is giving council member Maze is the first warning for what utilizing the floor to, yeah, utilizing privilege motions to gain the floor. It's against council rules and I will stand by and uphold council rules. So that's why the chair have given Mr. Maze his first warning. So with all that said, yes, the vote will overturn the ruling of the chair, but a no vote will uphold the ruling of the chair. Roll call Madam Clerk. Ms. Prisley is not in. Ms. Winfrey Carter? Yes. Ms. Burns is not in. Voters one yes. I'm sorry, two yes, four no. The vote is two yes and one no, the ruling of the chair stands. So now we will go into the second appeal and the second appeal deals with the ruling that council member Prisley's point of order was correct. According to, according to council rules, we were specifically talking about. Point of order, out of order. If I may be recognized, point of order. Mr. Maze, well, out of order. Well, we'll brain and you have the rule that talks about what happened after the second. You're going into the details and the rule says that you go to the person and your clonies won't enforce it. I want to give you your first one and you would be at two now, you would be gone. Okay, so thank you, Mr. Maze. Out of order, did you have the rule read? You've been out of order. I'm pointing to it. Mr. Maze, Mr. Maze, Mr. Maze, thank you. So I stated and I will say the reading of the rule for my time. So go ahead, Mr. Maze. Oh, you made a vote to move. Point of order. Mr. Prisley. Mr. Maze did not appeal your second warning. I didn't hear you. Mr. Maze did not appeal the second warning. You think he didn't appeal the second warning? Correct. Yeah, so we're not on that one yet. So, yeah. Point of order, Madam Chair, we're here to warn the white woman that you messed it up. Mr. Maze, again, go ahead. Point of order, did the order denied? Yeah, now you're gonna deny it. We're not warning the white woman for privileged, privileged most. This becoming clear, business question. Can you order these agenda changes without objection that we could be on the public speed? White woman wanna give me a first warning. Mr. Maze, please, we need to clap Let's see what's gonna happen. I want to sit here cleaning everybody watching the note. What's gonna happen? They're gonna get my black ass out of here. He clapped and cussed white. Ain't nobody in the room clapping but him, but I know who he is. He had Taylor clapped and cussed he shut down the media the day I ran his campaign for 14 years and not even asshole. So you got distraction in the audience from the ad. I like to call out ads. Point of order, Mr. Faker, what's your point? Can we get the gallery in order, please? Let me say this, this was a case call and a point of order. Excuse me, you're all talking must-seves during the point of order. So audience, please, let's utilize the call. I would like to be, thank you. Go back and stop the clap. Okay, so. I don't know what Mr. Faker said but it was a case call. Okay, excuse me, order, excuse me. So, Mr. Murphy. My colleague cannot be calling members of the audience or staff members assholes that is out of order. You are correct. Let me. So not done. So you had the point of order granted. So Mr. May, you gotta watch our language and Mr. May, wait a minute. So in time of the time, they started a little late. So we will go ahead and start the clock now because they started late when you begin to speak. So please start the clock, Mr. May's proceed. Let me say this. I'm gonna call him a asshole and tell him I'm gonna call you an asshole, Mr. Murphy and the devil knew us and the rest of your assholes. It was a case called a cousin canoe us. Mr. May, according to your color, that please do, according to council rules you cannot use vulgar language during council meetings. I don't get brown black ass throughout anyway. Mr. May, that is really like your third warning. So according to this only person subsection, you're being this early in this meeting by continuing to use profanity and vulgar language. So we're asking you to leave. You can ask all you want out of elected. And this is what I'm at. I'm not gonna be discriminated. Mr. May's, you have it, Mr. May's, according to this only person subsection, you have violated the company. You have violated it with the case. We're moving with your damn set. These officers may have, please come and remove Mr. May's. Mr. May, if you come on out and on the way out, I'm gonna let you know that y'all are discriminated against me. Mr. May's, you don't have the floor. You didn't discriminate, you don't have the floor. You ain't, you can thank you, you know what I'm talking about. I got all kind of plans for once to deal with your black ass. Well please use them, but not here. I'm on you. Please, you don't have the floor. I'm with you to solve your discriminatory hate and cheap hate black ass. You don't have the floor. Oh, I got my seat. My letter to you. Yeah, I do apologize. You're the first to be released all about it. You're a counsel person. You're the first to be released all about it. So thank you. You're the first to be released all about it. Thank you so much. With your discriminatory ass, ho. Look, I hope y'all separate that shit and get that public safety back. Mr. May's. I can't stand it. Thank you. I can't stand it. Mr. May's, Mr. May's, please, he is disturbing the meeting. The double standards. Yeah, Mr. May's. Please, Mr. May's, we would like to proceed with the meeting. Is it possible to remove counsel first to May's? Thank you. All right, so back to the meeting. So now we are to vote on our two additions to the agenda. Point of order. I do believe we need to finish up the appeals. Oh, OK. So this appeal is Mr. May's stating that, one second. All right, so Mr. May's stating that counsel person, about the way that I voted, that I approved the point of order by counsel members. That's what it was about. Is there, I don't have a comment. Mr. May's, I don't have a comment. So since he's not here, we're going to open the floor to the body. In discussion of being that I was last to speak, I ruled in favor of Ms. Priestly because Mr. May's was not germane to the specific appeal at hand. So in voting of a yes, we're overturned in reverting of the chair, voting of a no was sustained in the ruling of the chair. Roll call, Madam Clerk. Ms. Winfrey Carter. Yes. You're fine. Mr. Pfeiffer. I abstain because it's a moot point. Ms. Worthing? No. Ms. Lewis? No. Murphy? No. Ms. Priestly? No. The vote is two yes, four no, one abstention. Oh. What? Two yes, four no, one abstention. The vote is two yes, four no, one abstention. The ruling of the chair is upheld. So the third and final appeal that we have that I didn't want a white woman. Any discussion? Any discussion? All right. A voting of no will uphold the ruling of the chair. A yes will reverse it. Roll call, Madam Chair. Mr. Pfeiffer. I abstain. It's a moot point. Ms. Worthing? No. Ms. Lewis? No. Mr. Murphy? No. Ms. Priestly? No. Ms. Winfrey Carter. Yes. The vote is two yes, four no, one abstention. The vote is two yes, four no, one abstention. The ruling of the chair stands. So now we can move on to the additions to the agenda. We are looking at resolution number one. All right. So we are looking to on resolution number one. And that is the resolution to do all things necessary to provide additional weekend police patrols in the city of Flint. We're looking to add that to the agenda. Roll call, Madam Clerk. Ms. Lewis? Yes. Mr. Murphy? Yes. Ms. Priestly? Yes. Ms. Winfrey Carter? Yes. Ms. Burns? Yes. The vote is six yes, one no. The vote is six yes, one no. So add on resolution will be added to the agenda. So we are looking at add on number two. Add on number two deals with the resolution approving the reappointment of Tom Perlman Shekel. Yeah, I probably slidered that. Sorry, Tom to the city. Tony. Tony, oh, OK, sorry for my glasses. Tony Perlman Shekel to the citywide advisory council. Roll call, Madam Chair. Ms. Worthing? Yes. Ms. Lewis? Yes. Mr. Murphy? Yes. Ms. Priestly? Yes. Ms. Winfrey Carter? Yes. Ms. Burns? Yes. Mr. Pfeiffer? Yes. The vote is seven yes, zero no. All right, the vote is seven yes, zero no. So now, for those who are added, so now we are on to the closed executive session. Attorney Kim, what is the session about? Madam Chair, the law department request closed session here to discuss the Ajax materials appeal that this body requested and directed us to file approximately a year and a half ago. The email that I sent out, the order that was entered about a few weeks ago to all the members. And one of the members of the council wanted to discuss this in closed session. So we submit the request to the clerk. OK. All right. Thank you, Attorney Kim. Any debate? I move that we go on to closed session. OK. So there's a motion for a closed session. Is there a second? Support. All right. And supported by Ms. Worthing, any debate? Yes. Go ahead, Mr. Yes. I'll request it. We want to close session to discuss next steps, possibly, and just to update and have some preliminary conversation with my colleagues on the ruling of the AJAX that is adjacent to the third ward off of Carpenter Road. It should be real brief, so it shouldn't take long. Thank you, Mr. Murphy. Anyone else who would like to comment on the first round? All right. No one else on the first round? Anyone else on the second round? All right. Mr. Murphy, are you moving towards your mic? Oh, OK. Anyone on the second round? All right. So seeing none, we will go ahead and call for the vote to go into closed session. Roll call, Madam Clerk. Ms. Lewis? Yes. Mr. Murphy? Yes. Ms. Presley? Yes. Ms. Warren Picarder? Yes. Ms. Burns? Yes. Mr. Pfeiffer? Yes. Worthing? Yes. Voting is 7-yes, 0-no. The voting is 7-yes, 0-no. The council will now go into a closed session. Mr. Murphy, can you talk to the lady? No. I think we are talking. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. 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You're up. You're up. You're up. You're up. You're up. You're up. and I put my head on the other side of her head and she tucked her nose underneath my chin and it kind of went awww. Yeah, that was horsey love. She gives her middle foot to my friend, but no. It is now 6.25 and Special Affairs meeting. It will now be returned to order. Roll call Madam Clerk. This is not in. Ms. Lewis. Present. Mr. Murphy. Present. Ms. Priestley. Present. Ms. Winfrey Carter. Present. Ms. Burns. Present. Mr. Pfeiffer. Present. Ms. Worthing. Present. We have seven members present. Are there seven members present? So next on the agenda we have public speaking. Are there any public speakers? Hello. My name is R. L. Mitchell. Madam Chair. But just for the day my name is Johnny Cash like I stated last week. Because Johnny is a patron. The name is patron in America birthday was about last week. Johnny come marching home again. But I would say that talking about the affairs of the city of Flint, especially that early hospital situation, I read in the, you done replaced it supposed to be Roger Jones. But the mayor done put the empty seat in there because a school teacher going on to get her guns and supposed to be representing the schools of the education of any unknowing nationality. And it looked like you the one that decided to give me some money in my hand to get you and Murphy off the holy ground. She would have did it. And miss the school. Hey, you're still texting, ladies. Look at me. Where are those goons? When are you going to bring them in here for a week and a half? I'm sitting by you right now talking to them. Look at them looking like Superman. They would not cry like I say. Man. How much? Thank you so much. You better get that cry a roll, big step. That's your choice. Public speaker please. My name is Ylandria Gentry. And I'm on the Juneteenth committee. And I don't know if you guys were aware that on the, it was festivities that were going on from the ninth of June until the 19th. And on June the 7th, the mayor's office shut down one of the festivities, which was the retouching painting of the Black Lives Matter mural. And I just wanted to know, you know, the reason why, you know, the public wants to know me as public. According to a meeting with Mrs. Deloni and with Sharon, Pastor Sharon Sandler. It was a meeting held with Pastor Sharon Sandler. Mrs. Eheel Deloni, which has been having the Juneteenth parade for the past 51 years. And it was the mayor, Mayor Neely and Sandra Branch. Well, I think Mrs. Sandra Branch had to leave the meeting early. And the mayor stated that when the Black Lives Matter mural was painted, mega supporters demanded that they had a mega mural painted also. The mayor refused and the mega threatened to sue the city. And to avoid a lawsuit, Mayor Neely supposedly gave them an unpaid road. And they refused, but they can say that we didn't offer. Thank you, ma'am. Thank you so much. That's your time. Okay. Next public speaker. Good evening, council. I'm Jane Marie Arbor, Seventh Ward resident and also spokesperson for Seventh Ward Friends and Neighbors, a Concerned Citizens Coalition. Regarding the vacancy created as a result of Councilwoman Herkenroder's July 1 resignation, it's understood that Charter requires council to appoint an interim council member within 30 days. Presumably, that appointment will be based largely upon qualified applicants resumes and letters of interest, et cetera, which will be submitted to you soon by our city clerk, Davina Donahue. Residents across the Seventh Ward have expressed a desire to learn more about the overall process of the appointment. And most importantly, we wish to learn something about each of the applicants themselves prior to that appointment being made. Therefore, a Seventh Ward interim council forum is scheduled for Thursday, July 20th, 6 p.m. with doors opening at 5.30 at the Brennan Senior Center. All are welcome. Clerk Donahue has graciously agreed to be present to address the appointment process. Now, should any council applicants be listening? Your presence is requested and necessary so that attendees may be introduced to you and engage with you. And finally, because you, council, will collectively decide the outcome of this important appointment, your presence is requested and encouraged so that you too may become familiar with the applicants off the page. For further information, applicants may contact me at 810-293-8706. And I have fliers here for your reference. Thank you. Thank you. May I distribute these? Please do. Thank you. Next speaker, please. Evening council. My name is Dr. Tom Padroni, and I'm an associate professor at Wayne State University. I research how to end persistent inequality in predominantly black communities in Michigan, like Flint. Why do sidewalks still need to be repaired in the first ward? At last Wednesday's council meeting, we learned, at least according to Councilman Pfeiffer, a white man like me, that it's the third term black councilman from ward one who is at fault. Councilman Pfeiffer, let me say this as a white man like you. It is immoral when we white people are not aware of our own history and our own complicity in the conditions in which many black or poor families live. When we as white people don't know about redlining or don't understand the way our cities, including Flint, have systematically controlled the well-being of most white people while constraining the life chances of most black people, it shows that we do not know our own history. The good news is that the information is out there, including in Flint libraries right now for free. In books like Demolition Means Progress, Flint, Michigan, and the fate of the American metropolis, or the recent special issue of critical sociology called Flint and the marginalized geography of indifference. Ignorance of this history does not let us off the hook. Genuinely loving this city would mean taking the time to learn about the long, sad, and ongoing history of Flint urban renewal benefiting mostly well-to-do whites on the back of the city's poor and the city's black people, especially in the north end. The benefits that are supposed to accrue to ordinary people from these initiatives, and I'll wrap it up, almost never come because the well-to-do and well-connected are always making sure their plate is filled up eight times over as with the ARPA money before the poor get any. Our job and our responsibility as white people is to put an end to that tragic and brutal history. The weight of our soul as white people is determined by the degree to which we refuse to become the errand boys of those well-to-do people who can never get enough. All right, sir. When more of us are ready to do that, the first four guided sidewalks will look better. Thank you. Thank you. Next public speaker, please. Thank you for taking this time for me to speak. I appreciate it. As you know, the city of Flint has no director. Ma'am, what's your name? Deborah, I'm sorry. My name is Deborah Winston Roberts. I am a citizen here in Flint of the Seventh Ward. Okay, thank you. And I was concerned about the director for DPW. I understand that Mr. Edwards is the interim person. And with the problems that we have with water pressure and pipes exploding and such things, I am very concerned that we are going into four or five months without any news on who would be the permanent replacement. And I would just like to know as well with, I'm sure, most of the city know what's going on as far as that goes. Appreciate your time. Thank you. Next public speaker, please. I'm by Shalynne Jefferson. I'm born and raised in Flint since 1980, February the 12th. This is my first time ever coming to any city council meeting, so I just wanted to introduce myself and let you know them saying you all know who I am. I don't know who any of you all are. I swear to God. And I've been, you know what I'm saying, in Flint for 43 years, not to say that you know what I'm saying, I'm not aware we have a council team, but I've been a part of Flint since Woodrow, Stanley, since Omar Sands, and also Eric Mays. I ain't nobody. I came here for Eric Mays because he known worldwide. He known worldwide. But what I want to do, what I do want to say is why do we have more dispensaries than we got public schools? And I'm going to let y'all know more once y'all get more familiar with me, but that's really all I'm going to say. We got a lot of dispensaries and not enough, you know what I'm saying, schools for them to learn. Thank you all. Welcome. And thank you and welcome. Next speaker. Arthur Woodson. I wasn't going to take my time to talk about you because this is ridiculous. Ms. Friesley, Eva Worthing. Quincy and Mr. Pfeiffer, I thought you all could put you two could put your personal difference aside and cause the way that Liddell Lewis is running this meeting is a joke. And Eric Mays did not violate those rules, man, point of order and point of information. He had four seconds left, man. And all he said was her attendance record. That's bull crap, man. But what I came up here for, I'm going to flint to know that we are getting shafted by Ashley Capital. One of the main things is how can they tell you 3,000 jobs without anybody purchasing the buildings yet? They're going by square footage. 3,000 jobs for square footage. They can make an X for $72 million for something race or trust should have done. If you read the White House fact sheet back in 2010 when President Obama passed it, it said race or trust cleans up and repurpose that property, not just hold it as is. If y'all vote for that, man, y'all really do need to get put out of office because they keep on coming here. You remember Outer World where we had to tear it down? Y'all going to give them $72 million and they said 80, 20 split, we get 15 million. They get 72 million. That's a joke, man. And I can go on and on and on. Do your research, man. 11, I talked to Grant Trigger, 11 million parts per trillion on one side of the property. He said it takes $52 million to remove 150 square miles or 150 square feet of contaminated soil. 52 million. So why does Ashley Capitol need 72 million? He couldn't even answer that. Man, don't give them money, man. They keep on coming in here and we keep on making millionaires. Any more public speakers? Hello, council. My name is Baru Belend. I'm born and raised here in Flint. I am a resident in Las Vegas now, but I'm here more than I'm home. But what I want to come up here today is to speak to the council about a consideration of small businesses in the city of Flint. Our city is majority, the majority of our city is minority. And we have no programs in place to help assist small business owners to win contracts, city contracts. And I'm curious if we were to look back, say in the last 10 years of all the contracts that has been awarded in the city. I'm real curious to see how many of those companies that was awarded those contracts were small businesses in the city of Flint. And I would believe that it's probably very small. We just had a city of Flint demolition contract that came out. It was a total of, I believe, 14 properties. I think those bids came in about $200,000. To do the work. And no one from the city of Flint attended that mandatory bid walk. So I kind of questioned different people that I know was in the business. And the consensus I got back from everyone was they didn't know about it. And if they came down, they didn't feel that they had an opportunity to win in it anyway. So there's programs in place. We look at Detroit, Michigan. We can look at Memphis, Tennessee, several cities in Texas where they have the city have SBE programs in place to help support local business, set aside work or requirements to have primes do business subcontract out to local small businesses. So that's something I really hope that you all look at because I think the small business community in Flint needs it. And if we can build that community to the small business, I think that would help the city out a lot. And that's the time. Thank you. Thank you. Anyone else would like to speak to council? Anyone else? We're seeing that there are no one else. We will close public speaking and open the floor for council response. Madam chair. Mr. Pfeiffer. Yeah. I'm going to address the gentleman bringing up race. That's everybody brings up race. Race is the biggest factor or non factor realistically in the city. You got a black mayor. You got a black city administrator. You got a majority black council. You got a black police chief. But yet it's the white person's fault. It's nonsense. It's absolute nonsense. Race is not a factor. Race is not a factor when it comes to sidewalks not being fixed. It has completely to do with someone's ability and fight to get a job done. Effort and merit go more than race. Plain and simple. Thank you, Madam chair. I thank you, Mr. Pfeiffer. Anyone else would like to speak? Yes. Mr. Murphy. First, the 7th war. To the young lady who spoke about the appointment of the 7th war city council. We do have a process in place and I would encourage the 7th war residents to follow what city council have going on. When you guys get ready to do a form do a form when you guys are getting ready to vote for a candidate when they do the special city council right now. The 7th war is in the hands of the city council. We're going to have an application process. We're going to have an interview process and I encourage the 7th war residents, you and all the residents that and I did attend the 7th war community meeting. I would encourage you guys to come and watch the process and what city council got because we do got a process that we got to take place. I also wanted to Baru. I look forward to working with you. I'm on the land bank board. I want to make sure that we're trying to do things for minority contractors. Art Wilson, you talked about Ashley capital. I have been meeting with Ashley capital. I have not been brought. I got word that some of us is being brought by the mayor or being told what to do. I'm told what to do by the father, the son and the Holy Ghost and that's who put me up in here. Not Ashley capital, not Mary Neely. I hear that y'all think I'm listening to somebody else. That's not true. The city of Flint is not paying $72 million for Ashley capital to come. That's not true. If you find some paperwork that say that the city of Flint will pay $72 million, that is not true. $72 million of investment to clean up an environmental site regardless of when it went bankruptcy. The bankruptcy judge should have made General Motors pay for the $72 million or the $97 million of the site before they signed off on the bankruptcy. That's who we should have been going to, the bankruptcy judge. Not race or trust, not Ashley capital, but now we got a developer company that want to come in here and clean up a site. Who else? Brame me some more names in here to show us how to clean up a site. I'm not going to just go and say no to Ashley capital because somebody want to make us feel some type of way because they think we ought to believe what they believe. Show them that you're a developer that's going to come here and clean up a site with their own money. Thank you Mr. Murphy. Anyone else who would like to participate in council reforms? Ms. Priestley. Yes. I was at the 7th Ward meeting as well. And if I can come, I would like to hear what people have to say. But ultimately, my decisions will be made here in these chambers. And I do think that the thoughts and feelings of the 7th Ward hopefully can take place on this, but ultimately their decision is at the ballot box. Also gentlemen speaking about the sidewalks. There's bad sidewalks in the 4th Ward. There's bad sidewalks in the 7th Ward. There's bad sidewalks in the 5th Ward. They're all over the city. Okay. And the 3rd Ward. I have a neighbor who is handicapped who actually got down and resettled some of his sidewalk that was torn up by city trees himself. And he could barely walk. And he was on the ground doing that. And he says that people can't do it for themselves. However, yes, it is said, but however, this is not racist. This has nothing to do with race. It has to do with the city not taking care of its property. That's what it has to do with. I don't care where you live. Any area in the city has those issues. Also, about the Brownfield and Bateman. This is actually allowed by law. We're not giving them money. We are not giving them money. And number two, the only people who have spoken to me about that is Ashley Capital. Thank you, Madam Chair. Madam Chair. Thank you, Ms. Prisley. Ms. Worthy. First, I'd like to thank those who spoke today to council. It's been a rough few years on this council. It's become about race, hatred, just obstruction. And unfortunately, that's why Ms. Herkenroder resigned is because it's hard to be a part of that consistently, mentally and physically. It makes me sad and upset for our city. But what I did want to say is that you came to us today with real issues that you would like for us to look into and solve instead of just spouting hatred or opinions about who we are as people. And that is what I ran for council for. And I know that's what Ali ran for council for is to work hard for our residents on real issues that matter to you. And I just want to say I appreciate that because I'm interested in hearing what's going on. And I would I'm sure as everyone else would like to help you with these issues. I'll be there next Thursday if I can. I want to make promises in case something comes up. I'd like to make a referral to see where we are on the DPW replacement with the mayor and administration because it is an important role. And then also as far as the public schools we have a question that is a question for the school board. We recently have a new school board I'm hoping that things get better but it's just sad what's happened to our buildings to our programs and I'm telling you they don't pay enough for teachers. They're not on par with other districts as far as payment. So when you can't get quality teachers you can't get the students that want to come. So there's just so many problems but it's not a council issue for schools. It's a school board issue. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Anyone else would like to comment public speaking. Madam chair miss Burns. Thank you. I'm a disagree with my colleagues and I'm going to say this is a black woman. We live in a predominantly black community. We cannot change that and it is uncomfortable some of my colleagues don't like talking about it. We don't get along here but race is a factor. Race is a factor generally where they were put even some of the dispensaries. They tend to think minorities of black people smoke more marijuana which not everybody smoked marijuana and I even suggested some people if they need to calm down some of those contracts. That is a serious serious issue. We gave $16 million to the land bank and no minority contractors will some are but we're not getting them local. So when we talk about local and minority it is an issue and when we talk about we have a black mayor black city administrator a black police chief you are correct. We do come from a fight for but that same black mayor and black police chief are the residents at a special meeting at the dome. Some things are an abuse of power everyone should have sidewalks no one should have to ask for them if a resident calls in then they should be given but I know for a fact it's not just because they don't like each other that's clear they don't that will probably not change in my lifetime that those two will be able to bridge the gap but the part is to suffer because of that they shouldn't. He is the mayor to everyone in the city whether we dislike him or like him or agree or disagree I don't always agree with them but if it's something that the mayor it's for the people I'm going to vote for because I'm here for the residents and it is a problem. He does withhold things from the seventh I mean from the first award he doesn't he doesn't punish councilman mays they don't get a loan he used to tell me don't take the calls I got fired every day and I told everyone back then because I wanted to make sure the residents still got a voice they deserve to have a voice and that is shut down. Thank you. Thank you. Anyone else want to speak? Yes madam chair with one card thank you first I would like to thank all of the residents for for being engaged in the process and coming forth and bringing us your your insight your opinions concerns and issues I just want I just want to say and just want to piggyback off of what councilwoman Burns just said race is a factor and you know it's important to note that that race in the context of Flint it should not be limited to the water crisis because we all know that that was systemic racism we know that but racial when we when we talk about race you got to think about racial disparities and socio-economic factors intersect in complex ways affecting various aspects of residents such as education healthcare and employment opportunities and I don't know councilwoman I think you probably misunderstood or probably didn't understand where the gentleman from Wayne State University was coming from it wasn't just about the sidewalks but he was basically saying that council members you need to be in touch with the community not just in your war but the entire city okay race is a factor and we got to do something about it we must you know address the issues of race in this city thank you miss one for Carter so seeing that there are no one no other council member to speak I'll go ahead and utilize my time so I would like to thank the rest of the public speaker as well and also encourage more individuals to please come up and speak this is your council let your voice be heard and I would also like to encourage my colleagues to take on the challenge I know that the city of Flint has programs I can't remember I know Tyler from small business he may be able to assist you because because he has a lot of connections in that area but I can't say that they have specifically what you need but I encourage a council person to use our energy in a positive way to address that, to seek that out I took on a few initiatives such as fire safety so let's go ahead and I encourage this let's use our energy for the good so we can address some of these things because it just takes council people to get engaged put some fire behind administration and whomever to make this happen and I also would like to talk about the painting of the street so from what I gathered was that the painting of the street was a liability and interfered with the integrity of the roads and because of that and because of that the city and the state viewed their liability and that's why they said they were not going to go forward because if someone tried to break on the mural and say they slide to something because they cannot stop because of the ground is painted so not making excuses but just saying that with the rationale and I can't make any excuse why they told you why they went along with the process to later I have no rationale but that was my understanding so with that being said council comments is now closed and we will move on to the consent agenda Ms. Priestley okay with any separation that's actually not needed to say okay so let's see so you want to adopt the consent agenda with any separation we're in special affairs but so it's moved to council okay you're correct I will restate my motion since it has not been seconded yet I make a motion to move the consent agenda to council okay with any separations yeah very well so it has been moved by Ms. Priestley supported by Ms. Worthing Madam Chair Ms. Priestley I would like to separate 230162 give me one second alright you did 230162 yes ma'am 230118 230177 those are appointments those last two are appointments I have questions about 230118 230177 and then the first agenda item I had to scroll up 230162 okay got it also Madam Chair I would also like to separate add on number one add on number one okay alright give me one second okay I believe I heard Ms. Worthing next I would just like to separate 230190 and 230191 230190 and 230191 are there any more separations okay well saying none we will we will go ahead and do we do a roll call to adopt a consent agenda so Madam Chair Mr. Murphy yes Ms. Priestley yes Mr. Pfeiffer yes Ms. Worthing yes vote is 7 yes 0 no the consent agenda have been adopted and sent to council so now the chair will introduce Madam Chair I make a motion to move 230162 to council okay there has been a motion to move 230162 to council any support any support alright supported by Mr. Pfeiffer any discussion Madam Chair in light of the fact that we do expect recommendations from all the grant fund applications for ARPA dollars to be received by council for our next finance committee meeting I do not support this item at all those funds will be completely reviewed through tomorrow evening and those recommendations for funding should be sent to the mayor's desk so this is very late in the game the work has been done by the committee and so I do not support this thank you Ms. Priestley anyone else Mr. Murphy thank you well this resolution of the ARPA funds I think this is a resolution that Councilman Tanya Burns put together it was important to do something and I think what this resolution was was an attempt to try to do something to try to get some movement with the ARPA funding because we wasn't really getting no kind of information and we had my colleagues had called two or three special city council meetings to deal with ARPA funding and we had no one to really come and talk to the public or us and I attended the meetings because as a councilman for the third ward residents was reaching out to me businesses was reaching out to me trying to figure out where was money going to be expedited so it's been a rollercoaster ride for the way these ARPA fundings has been spent or being distributed and all of a sudden we have arrived to the point where they are making recommendations and this resolution that was drafted is in your opinion a mute point because you feel a certain way about a resolution that was drafted by my colleague due to the fact that they were trying to make some movement so I understand the spirit of my colleague putting together this resolution I just want you to share a space that people are frustrated with the process and how the ARPA recommendations and the distribution of the funding I am frustrated and I'm not going to make no secret about it rather they send us recommendations tomorrow it's not here today we got a special affairs meeting we got a city council meeting I know my colleague and the fifth ward Jerry Winfrey Carter requested to get a copy of the list of the 200 and received it as a today but those are some preliminary things that we wanted to look at prior to anything and making a decision so congratulations on whoever on the ARPA committee that finally getting to a point to where we go see some kind of movement but I'm just not totally against this resolution that was reflected in the effort to try to get some movement done with the ARPA I am very disappointed in the process how it takes place and I know from talking to you guys that it was a lot of teeth pulling in order to get some movement on the committee and whoever was behind closed doors that was working with the applications to the chair through you to the administration to Clyde Edwards who is taking who is serving in the capacity of Lottie Ferguson now that she's not here anymore who is overseeing those ARPA applications in the process Madam chair through you to councilman Murphy that is a situation that is ongoing in the process right now there's her job was posted they're interviewing set up of interviews but there's also been some assignment to Latrice Brown she is somebody who had been working with Lottie she had been attending the meetings and she still is taking notes but she is not in position to take that primary role so through you to Clyde who will be handling this process moving forward since that we close to based on my colleague in the fourth ward Judy Priestley since we are close to bringing recommendations or recommendations to city council who will be facilitating moving forward well at this point probably I would say that Ms. Brown trees Brown will be a facilitator of providing that information since she does attend the meeting she will be able to get that information about the recommendations that they put together and forward that and that will be a part of the administration Thank you Mr. Murphy and thank you Mr. Edwards anyone else in the first round Madam chair Ms. Burns Thank you Mr. Edwards my question is I sent the email for the second time in regards to what was the balance in the ARPA committee you sent the email back stating you required wanted me to do an in person meeting with you with my request is how much is in the ARPA funds and what has it been spent on through the chair to Councilman Burns I don't recall my honest answer is that I don't recall that particular request or that reply would you like me to show you the email because we go through this I'll give you the email and I will show you last night probably about 4 a.m. because I was still up because I'm concerned about these ARPA funds in the committee my other question is has anyone put on that ARPA funds committee I was told Mr. Leon Alameen is not there anymore is he still there through the chair to Ms. Burns I'm not familiar with whether that particular individual has resigned or otherwise is this ARPA fund meeting our advisory committee are they meeting at the Flint Public Library if is that I'm asking you are they meeting the last time we were here when Ms. Ferguson was here which prompted her to send me an email which stated from you that if Ms. Burns has any in all questions that she is to schedule a meeting to meet in person with to be in your office I'm not going to do that because it doesn't require that I want to be in the public talk about ARPA funds in the public so I'm transparent and this administration is transparent now is this board meeting and because now the public is this board meeting I don't know about the meeting I mean that's what I'm telling you your question is you're asking about a location and I'm here to tell you I don't know anything about their location let's don't say location then do you know as the city administrator is the ARPA advisory board meeting as far as I know yes they're meeting how many times have they met I would have to get that information for you because I'm told that they're meeting at the public library they're having dinner catered in and I was also told that Mr. Leon Alameen is not on there anymore but as the city administrator I know that you know because that's your job to know I know that you know that I beg to differ with you but that's fine we don't have to I mean if you don't know about the 94.7 million dollars Mr. Edwards then we really have a problem there are a lot of things that within the context of my job I'm responsible for the individuals who know okay well the individuals report back to you is that correct they don't report every second or every minute of a day that they actually do their operative job okay so their meeting you don't want to give the location we don't know how many times they met excuse me Madam Chair I did not say I didn't want to give you the location let's be correct about that I said I did not know the location please let's keep let's be now because I can find your emails I'm quite sure you know where they're meeting I can't see okay and I'm going to move past that because do you have the balance of what is in the ARPA fund no I do not Jane for is a possibility that I can get that you can share that with my colleague I don't think that there is a real problem with that Jane is currently this mayor is a major currently on vacation but I don't really think that that's going to be a tremendous difficulty or issue I've been asking for over a month I that's not going to debate that you might have I don't know okay so did you have the conversation with Ms. Ferguson in order for me to have any questions I needed to meet with you personally I do recall such a conversation but you said that I sent the email she said well she sent the email you're correct she sent the email she sent the email to respond to you not on my behalf she came to me to ask the question about the steps or stages necessary to handle this so she could reply to you that's what she told me that's not what the email she stated in the email that any that I had to have an in person meeting with you but here's my because my time is limited this ARPA fund process it's not clear it's not transparent it's a violation of the open meetings act because they're meeting secretly you don't know the location they're bound by the open meetings acts to keep minutes they're making decisions but money that came from the federal government the Department of Treasury and you don't know us to see administrator when and how many times they're meeting the official record keeper thank you track city court thank you miss Burns thank you miss Burns anyone else yes madame yes miss winfrey Carter something fishy going on with with the with the opera funds something fishy but anyway mr. Edwards while you're there opera advisory committee is meeting apparently how far are they along with pinpointing or voting on or sending council the organizations that they've submitted or that they've recommended to be voted on so that we can get this ball rolling as far as home improvements and everything else on that list do you know how far they are because I know they've been meeting madam chair to councilwoman winfrey Carter up until the time period that miss Ferguson left she did identify the fact that they were ready to make recommendations they had a few more to be reviewed then they would be ready to put forth the recommendations of course that would be translated into resolutions that would end up coming before council so I would say they're in that last portion of the work that they were doing at this point she gave me the indicator that they were in that last portion another meeting and they would be ready to prepare the recommendations that they were going to put forth I'm I have a thank you anyone else like to speak in the first round to speak about so looking at it I can't support it some of it is good some of it is not and the part that talks about the reopening of the application for homeowner this is exclusively for nonprofits so we just need some things to be factual at the resolution but that document can be changed and amended and take out things that you don't like people with station number five and other issues that they may have on top of needing those on repair so it can be amended you don't like well the first well thank you point well taken so the first thing that I don't like is being those initial grant requests as official ways to sign up that's not acceptable because this council did not hold to have those initial offer applications at the primary way while say at the initial way to request phones if that was the case that call should go out to every single person in the city every single person in the city that had an opportunity to apply that was not what those forms are meant for so I don't want to vote for a resolution that repurposes because it's not fair to those that were waiting on the official process to take place so I am willing to help have a conversation about some of these things here because at the end of the day this is the deal this is a marriage not a race I wish that we would have been brought on for not even a week let's just go ahead and just keep it all the way a hundred I wish that the body before we got elected would have moved on this so we wouldn't be here at this stage right here we would have been probably further on the process so because our senior council men and other people they did not move on it here we are so when we were brought on we were brought on a little late in the game but Judy and I we've been working very diligently to catch up and to make sure that this is a fair and equitable process and so having the background and evaluation point of information request for information what is your request councilwoman Lewis do you realize it takes five months to move anything forward okay so with what you just said I just want you to understand that okay so having the background my job is to make sure things are fair and equitable that this is not a subjective process this is an objective process so regardless of Mr. Elamine do get up and leave that the person that takes his spot will be able to pick up where they left off because we have set standards that are set forth so that's the whole point of doing those things objectively in terms of where the committee is meeting again my question will be the point of asking that question because those are closed meetings because they're talking about because those are closed meetings but just going back to the resolution I don't want to waste time I am yeah so I'm not in agreement with a lot of things here so therefore I can't support it alright so moving on to the second round and the chair okay yes seeing how part of this resolution actually directs the law department to issue a request for proposal I would like to hear from the city attorney as to how he feels about this resolution yes I read the resolution to direct the city's legal department to issue a request for proposal except BIDS from potential third party claims administrators to the administrative yard for funds issuing a request for proposal isn't a function of the law department so while my staff are capable of a lot of things this is not something that we really have any expertise or experience in it would be as if you directed the police department to start responding to fires to conduct fire fighting I guess I have some concerns for that section in particular given that the legal department really has no experience whatsoever in issuing a request for proposal for something of this nature or for even administering the grant funds much less are both funds specifically thank you also I do take offense with my colleagues saying that we have not updated them we've updated them every step of the way with information as we receive it if we don't have additional information there's no need to say anything more than what we have said in the past request for information you haven't called one meeting have you not received anything from the administration the ad hoc committee has not called one meeting going on we have informed the council during meetings as to where the process is request for information when did you do this because we have not getting I mean I saw you shaking your head in agreeing with Mr. Edwards you have not updated us I believe we have reported to you frequently about the committee we have repeat said that the committee was set and that the deliberations on the awards would begin and that's what they've been doing and yes you have been told that now request for information and I'm not trying to be disturbed but when did you give us this because we have not and I'm asking for and I don't miss meetings I can't recall if you could give us the day or win around the time because this has not happened I wouldn't be asking for it if we knew it I'm sorry I don't have the dates I don't keep track of when what I say when and I just I don't speak that often and in council I don't ask many questions because I do my research beforehand also so we as I have informed you earlier that meeting last week we were informed that they are nearing the end of completion and that we should be getting the requests for funding resolutions next week that's the goal that is going to be on the mayors because mayor is going to be getting the recommendations who will then send it on to us the process has been almost completed and this resolution upends everything that Dr. Lewis and I have pressed for for months to be a fair and equitable resolution we asked for the committee to be formed because through we wanted representation from all wards of this city as part of determining where the funds were going to be going so all of the resolutions should be or at least they should start coming next week we will also be giving a list we have also asked for a list of all organizations who submitted funding and why they were not funded if the recommendation is not to do so so as I said this this resolution I think is number one it is the entire budget that we did absolutely 100% that budget is out the door that the council approved you know and so I'm just not willing to do anything at this point I want to see where the recommendations come from I have not had a part or even want to be part of any deliberations on grant funds for the ARPA and I also mentioned that I spoke to the meeting the committee at their very first meeting said thank you very much for coming and for volunteering your time or would be willing to serve in this capacity and don't call me I'm not going to call you I don't expect you to call me I'm out of it this is I am just saying thank you on behalf of the committee what are your requests have you met so you spoke and met the 12 people because none of us I am I went to one meeting I did not introduce they did not introduce themselves to me I introduced myself to them and I said thank you and I walked out I had no discussion with any member of that committee thank you anyone else in the second round Mr. Murphy I would like to make an amendment motion to move this resolution to finance okay so it has been you said an amended motion but you have to move resolution 230162 to finance any support manager support okay it has been moved and probably seconded by councilwoman Burns any discussion yes thank you I want to keep this resolution out there maybe my colleagues who got changes that they would like to see in this resolution or email what they don't like about this resolution I know my colleague talked about $15 million dollars not having the capacity to deal with I don't want to see this resolution dropped based on we might see a resolution or some recommendations come anything so I'm not willing to just drop this and we need this out here to work on it make changes and see if I need to see some changes that I would like to see in all email to you I don't want to see this drop so I'll just put this back to finance and then my colleagues got any changes that they would like to see in there they can email you you can work with Dabino whoever to try to make this right just in case we need to come over to plan B or C or D because right now on the plan A that we feel is being done I just I'm not comfortable so that's it thank you thank you Mr. Murphy anyone else in the second round Madam Chair no no second round oh I'm sorry you're right I'm in the motion thank you thank you so much so Ms. Burns thank you what I don't want to see is residents have got zero home repairs in the city of Plain zero and Ms. Priestley you have not shared this information I don't miss meetings and I take notes during meetings this is the first time I'm hearing you went to a meeting where they were meeting at and you went you didn't stay you said you spoke and then you walked out you didn't correct or say anything to anyone when we were we've been asking are they meeting you're holding information you're withholding you're supposed to add hot committee is supposed to act on behalf of the council that come back and share you're acting for the entire council that's not the job of the ad hoc whatever information ad hoc get you come back you should it's not coming back the flow of information is just not there it's not there I'm concerned with what we talk about we don't know what's going on you walk into a meeting walk back out you're just not sharing this you work with the council you have to work with the mayor but you work with your colleagues we pass nothing gets passed unless we pass it it goes to a vote you're okay in and just saying okay I'm done with that's not cool because people have very real issues sagging on as people get 10 you know well their program is stopped but they started we haven't even started they're on to their third phase we're gonna have phase one and we don't have an application process so when we're talking about what's going on with these meetings that's why we're bound by the Open Meetings Act that's why meeting is supposed to have a city clerk there and we are violating Open Meetings Act I did get an opinion from attorney Kim back on another opinion because it did not sound right and I got two actually two other ones that anytime in our charter states a multi-member body a multi-member body is defined in the charter of any one person or more there are 12 people on this any 12 people that and they're required and bound by the Open Meetings Act it also speaks to advisory committee this group is opera advisory committee advisory committee is in the charter it speaks to it you can't miss it how are we not having this open to the public we don't know what they're doing and Ms. Priestley you turned the blind eye and walked out and said you didn't want to know we don't know what they're doing when I asked the administration what's going on with Mr. Alamed you know is he on there the administration didn't know nobody knows that is why we have a city clerk that's why we follow the city charter that's why we follow the Open Meetings Act so we do know what's going on we don't know that's the job of the ad hoc committee to make sure they inform all of us so don't tell me what you told me because I'm here I'm not absent I'm here I pay attention you just told me you went to the emergency anyone else like to speak on the motion go ahead Mr. Piper yeah well I don't support this as the current written to Mr. Murphy's point leaving the door open for possible modifications probably is not a bad thing but I do want to touch on a point that Ms. Priestley made about it's an equitable and fair process how can that be when it's done behind closed doors nothing is ever balanced or fair when it's behind closed doors people don't know I don't necessarily disagree with having a community committee with their input I disagree with the point that it's behind closed doors how decisions are made I've said that for a long time and I'll just continue to say that these are funds designated for people and we're making decisions behind closed doors and that's what I do not disagree with or that's what I disagree with so I don't want to shut the door on this because at some point if we don't get any any resolutions or recommendations from this body at some point we have to move forward and get these funds allocated so even this resolution open for amendments I will support thank you Mr. Fieberg anyone else in the amended motion round anyone else okay so I'll go ahead and do the last to speak so in terms of leaving the door open I mean although people are unwilling to work with me I'm definitely willing to go ahead and I'll leave it open, it's not a problem but I just want to be clear on what's what because I know that like on this council they have a tendency, they don't like it being said they turn it out and they like it in here so we said that again I don't make information that this F is given I don't make information up and I don't speculate if what I have to say is not true and factual I'm not going to speak what so what we said in not in these chamber but during the council meeting and I sat right there and said it from my seat we had a discussion, we gave a brief update and the update was 286 proponents right now they're looking at home education, home on education and home repair proposal right now, it's a total of 18 of those, right now and so this briefly just updated and said that we're looking for next government option, we're looking for the proposal that have been selected to move on to the next round and mind you, we keep saying this money is for the people, by the people this recommendations, this is not solid these are recommendations from the community they will submit these at the next meeting and so that is what I gather at the next government affair this will be on the finance I don't want to misspeak but it will be on the next committee meeting and we will utilize our time to scrutinize the proposal we request for information Madam Chair were you, did you intend any of these meetings? that's not my job, so I know I'm not I'm not going to the meeting because we put forth a process so we put forth a process in place and a rubric will all in place and we and we will act so Mr. Everett, is it possible for you to get the rubric so council can see because they're going to state why the ones that were denied were denied, but so we have the rubric so you all can see that it's subjectively done and I don't want to keep acting like no one had the opportunity to meet their council, to meet their representatives because their name is publicly public it's out there what are your questions? why did the ad hoc committee ask them to come in before the council, so we could meet them we did ask at the special meeting all three they didn't show up the ad hoc committee could have asked that they could have come to council well again if you all wanted to meet them you could have made the request, it was not a priority for me, but I'm not if it's a priority for you, yeah we probably could have had them come before to introduce themselves that wouldn't have been a problem but I don't want to act like this is a secret squirrel group and no one had access everyone had Facebook, every person's name is totally, go ahead I don't know who the person is and I don't think most of the students we didn't know that they were meeting we were told that they weren't meeting Madam Chair okay so no, that's not true, we were not told I don't know who said they weren't meeting because as I said in that chair Lottie Ferguson said that they were not meeting and then she's been gone about a month now she was saying that they weren't meeting so we didn't know well so hold on, so let me be clear I don't want to put things up in terms of, I can't tell you what Lottie told you but I sat in that chair of the colleague and I told everyone under the circle of my voice that 286 were posed and I said right now they're in the process of going through the 18th, I said that so whether people chose to tune it out or listen, I said that furthermore, if you don't know who your person is, I don't know why but we kept telling you specifically to go to the ARPA, we told everyone and when you made questions and comments, we said go to the ARPA information, what did you request to mention? Do you know where they're meeting at? We said go to the ARPA city of Flint website and you will see your representative they're there they're there but that's not meeting them, that's a person's face hold on, so I'll answer your request because this is not a back and forth but you said that you did not know who they were so you have the opportunity to find out who they were and you log on to the website so that means that you chose not to log on to the website, I'm not going to abuse my time the time is over, the time is over request denied request is denied point of order thank you this is serious, this is 94 million dollars and you're blowing it off, we cannot just go to a website, you don't meet the people I need you to be fair and share some space I'm sharing that the time is up you have a chair, the time is up but excuse me as you went down the rabbit hole, do you know where the people are meeting? so now we have the vote on the amended motion to send resolution 230 162 to finance committee roll call madam clerk Ms. Priestley Ms. Wendy Carter Ms. Burns Mr. Fiverr Ms. Worthen Ms. Lewis Mr. Murphy vote is 4 yes 3 no vote is 4 yes 3 no so we're going to go on back to the original resolution and we are in the second round and so far Ms. Priestley and Mr. Murphy have spoken anyone else would like to speak in the second round? Ms. Burns this process has not been transparent and I would like to ask you do you know where they have met? Ms. Priestley went there so she knows where she went and if both of you be on the ad hoc committee I would assume you know too where was where was this meeting at? did you go to Ms. Priestley? did you madam chair to Ms. Priestley? where was the meeting at? the meeting I attended was not their regular meeting I don't know where they've been meeting to evaluate the process this was their informational meeting that I attended and that was at the Rue Mont Foundation who supplied the meeting space where they've been meeting to evaluate the process the applications I have no clue nor have I known when they were meeting except for this meeting on tomorrow and I don't know where they meet so they have a meeting tomorrow and we as a council don't know and furthermore the public doesn't know just like our council meetings let's go back to the Charter you can't argue with the Charter the Charter is very specific the Charter says it defines in the first five or six pages what is a multi-member body multi-member body is any group or person and there's more than one more than one, this is a group of 12 then it states specifically in the Charter that it's an advisory advisory committee this is the ARPA advisory committee and it's an ARPA advisory committee at ARPA it's a multi-member because you have multiple people on here it's not a single group or single person in this group that you're bound by the Open Meetings Act furthermore they are doing the business of the city just like the citywide advisory committee just like what Miss Priestly submitted here she actually submitted someone to the citywide advisory and guess what it comes by resolution to the Flint City Council and we vote on it that's the way that this ARPA committee should have came so just like her person came for this then this should have came the ARPA advisory committee all 12 should have came by by resolution because that's how the Charter that's the Charter that's not my specific way that's how it's supposed to be done and it's not being done this way and when it's bound by the Charter just like the citywide advisory committee they have minutes they have someone cherry they have offices or people who want to preside over the meetings and then when it's all said the public can attend then it's turned over to the clerk so we have an official worker to know we have 94 million dollars coming here and there will be no official record on how this meeting and the decisions were made this is in the Charter and the Open Meetings Act you can Google the Open Meetings Act page 9 begins to speak on it in the Open Meetings Act so we're just saying you know what do what you want to do with this money we're giving our power we're giving our elected seats away we're giving our elected seats away the people who put each of us in these seats are the residents I'm not going to rubber stamp nothing why I did not pass the budget one of the reasons I was not going to rubber stamp it because one this is a secret meeting their meeting and secrecy nobody knows nothing about 94 million I'm not going to sign on to that I'm not going to say this is not a little money this is a lot of money this money came because of a global pandemic I hope we never get this money again because people lost lives and we're sitting up not taking it seriously this is the thing that we should all be working together to make sure that this process is done fair and equitable it is not a fair and equitable process when it is not following the Flint City Charter what is the multi-member body I'm not going to any website to meet my purse that's not my job that's not what we're supposed to do it is supposed to be the responsibility of the ad hoc committee actually to say you bring your person by resolution like this person did to the Flint City Council we can all meet these people we can read about them we can talk them we can ask them questions that's the way it's supposed to be done this is becoming a rogue and lawless council and I'm not going to be a part of that I didn't vote for that budget because we don't know what's in ARPA we weren't told what was in ARPA and people said oh well we wouldn't have any city services well you know what we still don't know what's in ARPA we took away our leverage I bet if we didn't pass that budget we're at this committee's meeting we know how much was in ARPA we know what ARPA was spent on I remember the day when everybody found out the $75,000 was used on speed humps half of them were spent on speed humps because my board benefited the most from it but the point is it wasn't we didn't follow the process the process was not followed correctly we're not making up the process that's not what we should be doing Mr. Barnes anyone else like to speak in the second round anyone else in the second round so hearing that there's no in the second round I will conclude as the last person Ms. Barnes according to the city of Flint it's all of our duty to utilize all of the resources that we have to get the information that we need your six board representative according to the city of Flint ARPA website is Mr. Dakota Starr Mr. Dakota Starr and again I didn't see the priority or in bringing them to the meeting but if you want to express that see we have council members that say I don't want to work with you and stuff so therefore we can't get things done no one express that to me you know I'm getting the text that say FU so but if you want to express to me hey have I ever said I wouldn't work with you but again when I received text from you saying FU Liddell oh I did say that I did excuse me you don't have the floor you don't have the floor you don't have the floor thank you but the point is if council will be willing to work together let's not use our places and our platforms to spread misinformation but use this kind of work together if you all would express that you would like for the committee to come and introduce themselves we could have put forth that request that's not how to see anything wrong with them coming here and introducing themselves but I don't want to go for it with false narrative saying that you don't know who your person is when you can go there and say first information that I've not met here Madam Chair your state needs Dakota Starr your state I have not met her so you're in agreement with me obviously you're telling me who Dakota Starr is that would have been your responsibility as the chair of the with the ad hoc committee the chair that you didn't do that with us that's out of order wait a minute that's not a request so the point is you stated on the record it's not about talking fast it's about talking factual you stated on the record I don't know who my person is I just told you what is your request just now told me you have been on the ad hoc committee for 19 months okay that's in a proper request that's in a proper request and you keep speaking you will receive your first warning so let's say it so let's make sure that we maintain decor the point is you said Ms. Burns said that you did not know who your person was I just informed you who your person was and you're a very single council member where they can find their representative then you made the comment that it is not your duty to go on a website and look I have no comment to that and if this body would like for them to come before us we can put in their request we can't do what's not asked it wasn't that wasn't a priority for me to have them come before you to be met so therefore I, Judy and myself request that but if you all would like to have them come before council and to I guess to say their name I really don't know but we can put in that request but we want to make sure that we are staying factual so if the rest of the colleagues this would be something that we can talk about if you would like to have your person come here and say their name we can request to have that happen next to the point and according to the legal opinion the ARPA committee is not a multi member body so therefore it is not beholden to the same rules and standards of the typical body this is according to our legal opinion given back in January it is now July if we had an issue with this we would have been taking that off in but we explained how this committee was selected why it was selected how it was selected and I honestly I am confident that we have one of the most objective processes in selecting this ARPA committee in the state and I probably can be fair enough to say in the country because we put forth we put forth sound effort to make sure that all information was redacted and this was not the homeboy or homegirl lookup we didn't want the council members to check my person because it's not about me it's about the community the community step up to be a part of this process because this is the community's money this is what the community did we set up a community process we were open we let everyone know how it went objectively no one and here we are so again I will not be supporting this and the bad information is giving people who were told to sign the sheet we were telling them that they have I guess first priority over those that did not submit that misappropriated form for ARPA applications and and that's just that so with that being said we will go ahead and call for the vote for resolution 230162 roll call Madam Clerk yes yes no yes vote is 3 yes for no resolution 230162 fail the chair will now obtain a motion we will go on to the motion 230190 and the peace up trade by Ms. Worthy go ahead I move 230190 to council I move probably supported by Ms. previously any discussion Madam Chair go ahead Ms. Williams is there someone from okay thank you you may have explained this during committee but I did not stay at that time this is not to repair the sidewalks this is to an assessment of the sidewalks what does that mean exactly an assessment it's going to tell us where all the good ones are the bad ones are and it's going to be a rating okay and then do we have a plan for what's that done hopefully we can once we get an assessment in place we can ask for a grant maybe I would like to try to get all the sidewalks wrapped up by the way perfect thank you that's my only question I just wanted to see what this was about just as other stated the sidewalks in every order horrendous and a lot of it is because of the trees uprooting and I feel like it's not a homeowner's fault when that happens but then we were only told you got to pay for the sidewalk and so it's been a problem for years I'm glad to see that we're going to look into this and start repairing it because in no ward is Flint a great place to take a walk I have a dog for a while I just would go to my parents house and walk them in their neighborhood because I was afraid I was going to trip and kill myself really just walking around the block although consumers came and they fixed my sidewalk so there's one free because they had to do work so it's actually a lot easier to walk on it but there are many areas that still need to be fixed and it's not handicap accessible it's not an easy place for people who walk to the bus stop because I'm on the bus stop route people walk up and down all the time it's a safety issue and just really just an accessibility issue so I'm going to be voting yes on this I just wanted to make sure with that thank you Mr. I support this assessment I also support the idea of replacing all sidewalks even in front of vacant land in my ward we have a lot of vacant land versus residential now I hate to see those areas be left out because they don't have homes what I would like to see is my ward be a ward to where residents can if they're in a wheelchair or if they're walking be able to walk up and down the side walk more kids and be arriving that's probably never happened since I've been born our side ward let's try to start somewhere here what I think this could possibly do is find some commonality amongst the council to support replacing sidewalks I believe you said at the last meeting that we were even your client there was talking about two million dollars of public funding going toward that final I would like to see the compliance firm go and allow them a additional infrastructure dollars and maybe they can find some matching funds to support this and maybe we can go to the root of my foundation or Pan-Raw Foundation or the state of Michigan or Congressman Kildee to just look and see what the infrastructure builds is there opportunity for us to find some matching dollars to help build whatever that cost is wanting to do the assessment of the sidewalk whatever that looks like our strong effort but I'm sure the man in the administration will probably do whatever they can to address these issues because I think how much do you say a sidewalk cost? I missed folk last week I said 400 but I think it's a little bit over 300 a square so a person that's on a fixed income got to pay 300 dollars per sidewalk and try to pay the bills I just don't think that's attainable far as what they budget Unless it's a tree random problem and the city takes care of it I just what's the number of those people to call what they have do you guys have funding or are you guys on sidewalks now? you know we're doing a trip related but it's all round the red what do you do? they can call street management 766 766 7643 I think it is 744 7643 I believe I have to look up the number when you get the number can you do that too? thank you alright I'm done anyone else like to speak in the first round? Madam Chair Mr. Piper while I had my reservations for this through you Madam Chair Mr. McGill can you tell us what the GIS integration means? I'm hoping that's all going to be on a map on a map system that will be accessible to the public? to the public I'm not sure but to administrations I guess it'll be up to the administration to determine whether or not like I said I have reservations and I don't know if I'm going to be able to support this because I do not see to councilman Murray's point I don't see our firm gave it their blessing that it's approved you have that? I'm sorry so every harvest spending we get a statement in the resolution that states that that says that this is approved for funding if I may Mr. Piper give you some information neither the attorney nor the CFO the acting CFO will assign me without without the approval of Brooks to Young not only that but the plan was I understand that but the CFO and whatever else come and go and it's us a lot of responsibility to make sure that these funds are allocated and for me to take Mr. who's there for me to take his to take his word or anybody else's word and then tomorrow they submit the resolution it comes back on us and I don't see where Ernest and Young gave their approval that these can be expended under partner and frankly if I'm wrong normally we have that Mr. Piper they have never signed that there's usually a wording in there that says that it's been determined by Ernest and Young to be in a low level apartment it's not in there I miss that it's not in there we did have a meeting with someone and you get kind of written approval before counseling a couple minutes do we have that somewhere? I mean I'll send it to council but I won't go for the council with that the compliance firm that we spent a lot of money on tell us that it's okay to spend on these services Anyone else in the first round? Anyone else in the first round? Okay Tina that there is no one else I will speak so Mr. McGuy I have a little bit of reservation so when you said sidewalk assessment what exactly are they doing? Are they walking the streets? So this is what gives me pause because I walk the streets as well and I'm wondering I mean for $111,000 I'm like wow imagine how many more sidewalks we can do we just take the calls from residents that already put in requests about uprooted trees and things of that nature so I guess it looks like we're paying someone to do something that the residents have already done when they just look outside their door see that city trees or whatever that sidewalk is messed up so we're paying someone just to re-walk the streets and we tell us what we already, what the residents already have been telling us I kind of hope I have any assessment hand and we can apply for more grants we'll have all that information they would need I don't think we could apply for grants just because the homeowner called and complained about tree grants Okay so you said apply for grant could you tell me a little bit more about that process? Well it's just my hope that after we get the assessment that maybe we can start applying for grants and then we have back up information about how matters sidewalks are Okay well you know if this will help us if this $111,000 well how much does the sidewalk have to be caught along? I see you said along with GIS integration is that the same company? I'm the same company? Yeah is that the same company that's doing GIS integration? Yes Okay and so is this a package deal that they're doing or is this two separate things? Nope package deal Okay The only thing that will I mean that's pushing me to vote yes for this is the fact that $111,000 could turn into more dollars because otherwise I can give you a list for more to myself and you can throw that in my chat but you understand I can drag the streets everyday and come up with a list too but it's not a professional list it's not a through a company that's done it before with a special assessment we can get more out and we can't get by just saying that our sidewalks are a bad shape and you're going to hit every single sidewalk in the city of Atlanta They're supposed to yes So my last question is what will be the check the balance to make sure that they hit every single sidewalk in the city of Atlanta is that where someone like maybe count three where we have access to via the GIA integration so would that show us where they alright well thank you so much we're going to go into the second round stay put just in case anyone else in the second round Madam chair I think maybe to ease some concerns I would look at this as like the lead line like it's not something you could just say hey our lines are bad fix it we have to have like professionals come in and we did hire professionals to come in assess the lead lines so that they then could be fixed I don't think we may empower Mr. McGaugh to walk the streets no and I know a lot of us have been waiting on this for a long time as Mr. Murphy said all is a light so if this gets us one step closer to getting locks for the city I'm all for it thank you thank you before anyone else you sit okay I have to recheck but I'm assuming I think that's what they said and so we'll give back to you and you said that it will be all of the entire city whether it's a vacant block or not this court will be complete for everything that has a parcel number I've asked for every side block to be assessed okay and I know people live on the block I know some part of the board we don't have anyone on the block at all because it's still they haven't finished though so I appreciate you getting a professional company because we still don't know that service lines we're there replacing we're now going to court basically five and a dollar a day fine so I look forward to this because I know my board I turn in an excel sheet you're still some people who still who have still been missed and this will cover everything so that it will be thorough and so you just did you say with Mr. Murphy that you would be able to get and we all want to that they did say that it is yeah I've got to go air on you I'm working in the sidewalk but I have seniors and they walk in my neighborhood and the sidewalks are terrible they're really bad a lot of them are still in there they have to have their first time homeowner they stayed in that house for 50-60 years and I would like to see their walk to be repaired now they're walking in walkers some of them so I I am going to support this because we'll give Mr. five or we'll share that with everyone else the compliance firm if it's okay that there's a guideline to be done thank you anyone else in the second round I'll be in by asking this this money coming out of our alright so we have allocated $2 million for sidewalk repair so will it be $2 million minus the $111,000 so this is already coming out of set aside money for sidewalk very good alright so we are looking to send resolution 230190 to council roll call member Mr. Fikert yes yes Mr. Murphy yes yes the vote is 7 yes 0 no the vote is 7 yes 0 no resolution 230190 set to council the chair will now entertain the resolution to send 230191 a pound so moved any support any discussion manager anyone that can address the tree service that's not does he do you do the tree awesome good thank you what is the change order for exactly change orders for we just the vendor we had prior to we had a lot of golems so we hired a monster tree at the end and that's just to get a little action why did we let the other ones go were they not they were not doing their job and then they cost more monster tree it's $95,000 more I think we asked for more for services for tree removal to remove more trees and is this to remove trees that are deceased this is the removal of the tremor any type of work that are city trees city tree thank you anyone else in the first round Mr. McGarney yes Mr. McGarney I'm going to support this because we have a lot of trees city trees that they're all I have a tree over on Seminole whereas it's a very old tree and I'm going to send this in to you the tree is the branches of the tree is over arching over the homeowner's house so that tree really probably needs to be looked at to be kind of cut down so I'm going to and I'll send out the reverse take look at okay I'm going to support this because the city is going to be available we passed some really damage to homeowner's properties of these city trees and then I just realized maybe a couple of months ago someone were out and I don't know if you know this and maybe you do someone they were out on the city side of the sidewalk you have a little program where Juddison County plants trees what? great for the environment request for information go ahead but are those trees not going to damage sidewalks like I get her point what was planted was horrible are they doing better now well I would hope so I don't know what came first the tree or the sidewalk but somebody screwed you up to homeowner look I just don't know just damage inside oh god I want to chop down and treat it pass it to council thank you anyone else in the first round anyone else in the first round alright anyone else in the second round miss worded I think we should contact keep Genesee County beautiful just to reassure ourselves for information this is the county conservation district oh sorry thank you yeah I can check that address if you want to send it to them maybe they could like present or send us information on what they're doing because I did share some information about the planting of the trees because trees are important but I'm sure they've done the research well I sure hope they did because I my grandfather because I bought the house that were my grandparents home he cut down the trees because the trees that were planted really didn't fit the city they got in the sewer roots you have to constantly fix it very tall just not the right tree for the environment but then my house is hot like it I have no shade my air conditioning bill is insane so I planted and researched myself planted a tree in the backyard that wouldn't grow too big that wouldn't give me too many problems but could help with the environment in my bill so I'm assuming they did the same yeah we have a list of trees that we recommend people to plant good because I mean you just learn as you go I mean I'm sure we've learned more things since we had the trees planted some crazy tall trees in the wrong city environment so the important thing is moving forward that we learned from that so it doesn't happen again but still trees and shrubs and all that is super important and I'm trying to do that but in a way that fits my city backyard I think that was all I wanted to talk about but I'll be supporting this thank you are you anyone else in the second one Madam Chair Ms. Brasley you know I know I also bought my grandparents house and every tree that was in the property when I lived there is gone um this luring was beautiful in the fall with all the ash trees and of course I lost my two ash trees to that and they were all the ash flowers when they I was prepared to cut my tree down but I came home and it was gone where did my tree go but then I cut that tree down because of the disease and I was following lens I did replace my tree and I found a tree where the root ball is contained and it's designed for cultivated to stay within a certain distance and not supposed to go into the streets designed to be planted in the middle of the streets so there are trees out there like that and it's getting to the point now where it's hiding my bedroom window from streets from lights and stuff so I know that those are possible and I do hope that those are what they're using those type of trees so I am in favor of this alright thank you Ms. Breesley anyone else I'm going to send on those, I'll be the last to speak so Mr. McGuy let me tell you my issue with the cutting of the trees they just chopped the trees up so so my question is what are we doing to ensure that the tree does not look a mess like I say after it's assessed and when they go to service it because it's a tree it's plenty of them but one that really caught my attention was on the corner by by the old dojo church, Pasadena and Sangamon street U-turn it's a piece of bark and one limb and that's it the tree looks a mess so what are we going to do to ensure that when they take care of the tree properly so I know that utility lines go between them but what are they going to make sure that the tree does not look like an eyesore to the community because it's been chopped up whenever you see a tree like that more likely it's consumers energy they come by and they have their tree companies be out of tree and the only thing they're concerned about is their wires, they're not concerned about anything else now we have our professional companies come out we have the harvest go out and check it before we go out and check it out to make sure everything is done correctly okay, well speaking about how consumers do the chop up job is there anything that the city can do about that that would be more of a long question there I don't think so but whenever you see the bee like that it's usually consumers okay, I'm sure alright, well thank you alright, thank you alright, so being that I'm the last to speak I'm listening with Lucia 230191 to Town Hall roll call my clerk Mr. Piper is it working? yes Ms. Lewis? yes Mr. Murphy? yes is it bracelet? yes is it like the carder? yes it's fine what is 7 years? 7 years 0 no but Lucia 230191 is now officially all right, so now we have one resolution but like add on resolution number one resolution number one is there a motion? Ms. Breesley add resolution add on number one to council is there support? I'll support the motion all right, supported by Ms. Murphy Carter any discussion? you know, I like the overall concept of this resolution however, I do have concern it says in the amount of $300,000 to $400,000 the set funding coming from ARPA and or the front families I really would like to see some kind of clarity that's one of the problems I have with some of the resolutions that come to us is that they aren't specific and so I don't even know if the ARPA dollars can be used for this I don't believe that they can be based on my knowledge of the process so that we have to come from the fund balance so this is really a budget amendment if we're adding money to the police officers and so this is not appropriate resolution I like the concept I like to have further information and work with the acting chief financial officer as well as administration to get a proper resolution for this because I do support the concept I just don't support this resolution because of it because it's not clear thank you all right, thank you thank you Ms. Breesley who else? in the first row Madam Chair is Chief Breesley here? is he here? no Mr. Edwards I don't need to hear this was one of the questions that during the budget hearing budget adoption I believe that the income of if we need more funds for officers to pay for overtime primers we don't need to increase does Chief Green need more extra funding for overtime to pay police officers? as it was talked to well through the chair to Councilman Burns of course Mr. Vase brought this issue up to me and I do believe the Chief has always opened to additional funding to support the police for so I think that there is opportunity to use these funds for overtime or for the engagement for which this particular resolution was speaking to I don't have it in front of me but I know it was speaking to extra curricular kinds of activities that are happening in the city but there is some form of police protection around I'm going to read it so that people can hear so that it is resolved that the appropriate city officials are authorized to do all things necessary to fund overtime for current city of Blythe police officers for additional leak and patrols at various neighborhood hot spots in the mountains of 300, 400,000 and so that is what it's for and I don't think that we have a shooting at four o'clock in the afternoon where four people were quickly injured by bullets and the shoot out on Mallory street so our crime in Clinton now they don't wait to just weekend I know it is an uptake and it's busy on Friday night and Saturday night but I don't also want to support having six police officers who were here at a special meeting intimidating residents to be arrested that wasn't a good use of overtime neither was it a good use of having three police officers at the repaying of the Black Lives Matter to make sure they didn't retouch it up on ML King street in front of the side of the mountain I mean if we're talking specifically you know Desi needed I wish he was here because this was one of the questions that we talked about and I'm glad that the budget adoption chief wasn't here I believe everyone I am going to support for crime but I'm not going to support for the nonsense which I did send an email with my concerns about having six officers at a meeting that was legally posted that to me was a waste of overtime and city resources who shouldn't have been used because the meeting was legally posted it was legally posted it wasn't an illegal meeting officers is a threat when officers carry guns pepper spray and there's stun guns that just isn't appropriate I don't like the way that you're using the police against the residents for nonviolent crimes there's plenty of violent crimes that's happening here plenty of plenty plenty of and if we're not using funds correctly I don't even know if I get the nature of this but I'm looking at nonviolent things for families the Black Lives Matter was a retouching of that was a family event they had police there making sure they didn't retouch it up in San Francisco in Seattle in New York is in front of Trump Tower in Detroit and every major city they have a Black Lives Matter painted in the street we don't have it now it's right here in the city of we have it but it's starting to fade I mean so to come up with that and to have the police to be there that's just not a good I don't want to pay overtime for that and we shouldn't have police officers for overtime which do you know where they're paying for overtime for six officers for the special meeting that was held we only have usually one time because they drove up in their personal house Madam Chair through you first of all those officers were here because we had credible information concerning the fact that this was meant to be a stable peaceful meeting and we had credible information to say that it would not be and so we were cautionary in terms of having officers available at that particular situation resident safety is always first and council safety as well as part of that process so that determination is made why they were here okay and and that's just I get that that is like the general that's just not true I mean let's just state it because the deputy of staff came and yelled free down to have everyone to be removed it was an illegal meeting then officer Metcalf told me that you know we didn't leave I was going to be arrested I would never have came but I guess I was going to catch my first case being arrested with the resident on that day because that meeting was legally posted and that was not a good way to use resources when we talked about overtime. Alright so thank you Ms. Burns anyone else would like to speak in the first round? Yes. Mr. Murphy this is the this is the resolution for the extra money so here we just passed the new fiscal budget they're already in the budget they already budgeted that's the funding they came draw down on the existing budget that they already have and then come to us for additional dollars versus putting the card that's the budget that they have money budgeted for and we also probably have unspent dollars that's coming back for positions that's not filled in the fiscal budget that may be that money used towards additional dollars that may allocate those dollars into the overtime budget that's allowable my other question is that the signs need and I think about over there the roller would make it somebody not to street sign down they flying around the curve on western one until one of the students back to see if we got orders and signs that say what the flash and lights they flying around that say slow down or something upgrade our technology when they come down to sign us in some of these high spot areas and I think about just this weekend somebody got killed on Saginaw right in front of the drift lady riding down Saginaw street and hit a motorist that was participating in festivities that the drifters have and moving part of the after party drifters afterwards and something to be outside shutters and somebody drove fast down Saginaw street and hit and I'm not sure I know police officers in overtime can't be everywhere all the time so even if we earmark some money to allow police officers overtime there are also some other things that I need to take place and then even when I put a request in for signage if it ain't budgeted for that and then $300,000 to $400,000 when you go $300,000 to $400,000 what does that mean? is it $300,000 is it $400,000 when you talk in general that's a big jump it's either or it's $300,000 to do what or $400,000 to do what that's a big in between our support to spirit but we just wanted to a new budget we got money budgeted for the police department already so what's your take on that Madam Chair who are you to Mr. Murphy this particular resolution first of all let's just be clear this particular resolution was not the brain child of the administration this was something that through some form of collaboration and I was not part of that discussion so I cannot give you exact details in terms of what may have been discussed including Chief Green and Councilman Mays Councilman Mays just brought me up here since this meeting started to show me that resolution and he indicated to me what he felt like were some of the needs that the police have at this time so I would not report to understand or know exactly any gaps in the police department at this time because as you said we just started another budgetary cycle so this particular resolution though was out of a discussion between those two gentlemen and brought to this body is Chief Green here to speak on this resolution? No he's not here I mean whatever have made sense so we can get a feel of why he's thinking before we're going to roll something up and down and what is mine and we just moved the budget and they already got money budgeted draw down after that so I just got to do that Alright thank you Mr. D'Amirapy Anyone else in the front? Yes Madam Chair Mr. D'Amirapy You know I would hate to see this resolution this motion fail and I just want to say I support whatever it is to boost up the public safety the police department in the city of Flint whatever we can do because I mean just like you spoke of the shooting over there on Mallory Street last week there is so much going on and it's happening during the summer months May, June July, August even in September and into October some of the fall months we need more police on the streets we do we need more patrol cars patrolling hotspots, areas and so I support it but what I want to do I want to make a amended motion I want to amend the motion and I would like to send this resolution to committee to finance because I do not want this to fail on this floor tonight so I would like to send this to finance committee and we can have further discussion so there has been an amended motion to send resolution number one to finance committee, is there any support? now who said it, was that you? okay so how would it go? you said Mr. Murphy I think I think both said at the same time alright, well I'll go with Mr. Murphy alright so any discussion? yes Madam Chair and I I sent this back to finance committee because I definitely do not want to see this resolution fail and in the spirit of the resolution and whatever councilman mays chief green talked about I would like to give them an opportunity to speak on this chief green is not here tonight councilman mays is not here and I think it's fair that they are allowed to speak on this resolution and bring more like to so with that I'll be voting yes to send this back to finance committee thank you Madam Chair anyone else would like to speak on this amendment motion? Ms. Burr? I will always say for safety I may push chief green because I see what's happening in the streets and it is the worst thing to talk to a mother or father or grandmother when their child is in the hospital with a gunshot wound or gunshot wound fight for their lives we do need chief green to be here because he needs to give us some type of public safety plan how he's going to deal with this gunfire he needs to be pulling over these cars getting these guns from them because they ride with them that last if it was a shootout two days ago was it yesterday on bond deal it was a shootout when they did their own they literally were going hit on with the other car shooting at them so when we talk about the guns the guns are in the cars you know they carry them like they carry them wild on a purse or whatever it's a part of them and we need to be pulling over these cars and because you get and then at this point I'm not I know people's rights and they want to be concerned about these these people don't care they don't care this person that car shot four people four people were critical in that scene and the shootouts happened all the time all the time and so he also shouldn't use them over time when he's back in all cases unsolved homicide he needs that too green needs to be here is there any reason why he's not in his young vacation no he's not and this particular resolution I just you know I've mentioned that several times it was just presented to me now so there was no need to call cheap green not knowing that it's a resolution at the time that I arrived here so yeah and I know it used to be in this administration runs different as opposed to all the 65 years before that department all department heads would be at the meeting in case a question arrived that's not what's not true department heads up until this administration and I used to watch the council meetings up until this administration they weren't at everything they weren't at everything department heads we have whatever was in regards to the resolutions that he had submitted okay so now it's up to the resolution I can tell you that I'm watching you would see prior before Suzanne Wilcox you would see Rob Benzik you would see the police chief was not there both of them