 Hello, welcome to Toffy TV, this is the Toffy TV Everson podcast, this is another NEDCAM podcast and today we are doing it live in the flesh, Cameron is in the pseudo today, how are you? I'm alright mate, I'm alright yourself. And I'm not too bad to be honest, I've been worse, it's been a recording this on a Tuesday so we've had a bit of time to cry, digest, be angry and just generally get over it because I think you said before we just fed up with Everson now aren't we? Fed up with football, what's the point anymore? We'll start with before the game, obviously the team news with the same things against Arsenal and then obviously Hammers going out injured again which is fair enough. We said before he wouldn't be able without his injuries so imagine I'll just get on with it. What was your thoughts on the lineup? Would you have kept the same as the lineup against Arsenal which you did or would you have thrown Mina in there maybe? I personally had to put Mina in there but obviously I understand that Hallgate and Godfrey both performed well against Arsenal to be fair. I mean that Arsenal game we spoke about it last week and you at the nail on the head saying it was a 0-0 that ended 1-0 and Arsenal didn't have much going forward so it wasn't like Mina and Hallgate were put under immense amounts of pressure for the entirety of that game but they done what they needed to do and they done it well. Certainly Mason Hallgate who I thought was much more improved than his previous performance against Tottenham where he was you know him and Michael Keane had a little bit of a calamity didn't he but again it's easy to say isn't it in hindsight that you'd have put Jeri Mina in there because Jeri Mina is a better centre back certainly than Mason Hallgate but I think the more worrying thing for me mate is that you sat and watched Mason Hallgate for more than 20 minutes and still didn't take the decision to take him off. I know it's ruthless and I understand the whole or you don't want to embarrass him or you don't want to make a show but ultimately it's not about that it's about winning football matches and doing what you've got to do to win games especially at this point in the season with six games to go. So personally I didn't have too much of an issue with Hallgate and Godfrey starting a centre back. I have more of an issue with the fact that you could clearly say after 15-20 minutes that Hallgate was being ran ragged by all your walkins and he didn't make the change. The Hammers stuff just evident isn't it really you sort of again I obviously was on the social media blackout so I didn't see the team news until about 10 minutes before the game sat down in front of BT. I seen it on my phone the Everton app and I thought yeah you know same team. Hammers in there decent hopefully go out and get something and then I sat down and I just said Hammers or Degas has picked up a knock in the warm-up and it's going to be replaced with Alec Roboby and so it's just turned to me. Dad didn't felt like saying what decent films are on Netflix because I just knew from that point on that was going to set the stall out for the rest of the game and it did really it was it was shocking wasn't it. I think it's the best defensive performance of the season. Maybe we just got absolutely ran ragged. Do you think you hope it was the right man to go in there? Because obviously we had to change the system which also went out wide. It was Sigerson behind the striker and you hope it went on the right. Do you think that was the right change or would you maybe put King in there and gone to a flat front three or would you maybe put Tom Davies in there and play that narrow formation three in the middle with Sigerson behind the strikers? I'd rather have seen Josh King in there to be honest. I'd rather have seen Tom Davies over the two because to be honest I think Tom Davies should have come on for Andre Gomez. Why Fabian Delft's coming on when you're looking for a winning goal is just absolutely beyond me. The problem with that midfield has been the problem with the midfield for the majority of this season and for the last 20 years of my life is just simply no mobility in it whatsoever. Alan is a good footballer, he gets back, he does his job. I feel a bit for Alan because he's come in this summer obviously with Abdelai D'Corey and probably a sort of thought well he'll do me running a little bit and I'll only have to do the breaking up and now obviously D'Corey's gone out injured so Alan's sort of got to fit in and do a little bit more but Gomez, Sigerson, Iwobe, there's just not enough mobility there's not enough movement so I would have liked to have gone for Josh King but when you're searching for a winning against Aston Villa then Josh King's still only getting three minutes at the end of the game it just shows what's thought of him really isn't it and it's not much, I don't think he'll be an effort in playing in the summer I don't think Carlo Ancelotti really rates him and look ultimately Alex Iwobe's moaned about playing in his preferred position before and he said that playing on the right isn't his preferred position and I think you could see that again. We'll talk about the subs later but let's talk about the third goal. A typical successor of her own downfall, Everton goal isn't it to be honest. We've seen many goals like it in the past and it's an important game where we win, we go you can get into that top six and it's a big chance to get into your other teams with drop points around us. I still can't get my head round it, I'm not a coach right but the position of the midfielders, Gomez had more than enough space to get into his feet and turn on his first touch and get a pass forward I know it's Gomez with more likely that he would have took a touch or three touches, gone nowhere and played it back anyway but have you managed to get your head around because I accidentally haven't, why Hallgate felt the need to wait 30 seconds and then turn and try and go backwards which I don't understand what he was planning on doing. No it's shocking me to be honest with you and what's worse is the fact that he done it two minutes before and got away with it, only Watkins on the same thing he got on and put pressure on and knocked into him and he barely got the pass to Godfrey and defenders make mistakes, goalkeepers make mistakes, midfielders make mistakes and if they sit there afterwards and they go I got away with it, I won't do that again then you think you know what, fair enough we wouldn't be here talking about it but he does it two minutes later, three minutes later he makes the exact same mistakes that he made that he just got away with and I see I've seen some people on social media over the last few hours or so highlighting the Hallgate situation and a couple of people defending him saying but to be fair, Andre Gomes isn't likely going to turn with the ball or do anything with the ball but why is he on the pitch then? If you're looking at that situation and that's still frame and saying yeah but you don't want to pass to Gomes because he's not going to turn with it watch the points and having him there he may as well not be on the pitch the player I noticed more so was Lucadine, Lucadine standing with space in abundance he can turn on his left, can get down the wing and play a ball and just like I said the most worrying thing about it mate for me was the fact that it happened two minutes before and he got away with it and he just didn't learn his lesson if you make a mistake, you make a mistake and that's fine but to make the same mistake two minutes later when you know right Ollie Watkins is going to put pressure on me here he's done it then, he's going to clatter into me and he's going to want to win the ball so I won't dilly dally about with it it's amateur mate, it's really if we put it this way if me and you were playing on a Sunday afternoon down the park random fellas Sunday league and you made that mistake and then done it again two minutes later everyone or I did, everyone would be looking at us going what are you doing there, you've just done the same thing and got caught out, what are you playing at I mean you say that, I'd be on the bench I'd start on the bench, I wouldn't get on the pitch I'd probably be the same to be fair mate I definitely wouldn't be making those mistakes now when he messes my crap It's just, it baffles me and it's probably because they are Premier League players but our Premier League players can be so thick do you think it's because they've never been because they've all been looked after they've never had to really fight in a rough dirty league or battle but the Hallgate thing do you think it was cockiness or over arrogance or over confidence or do you think you panicked I think he's a little bit like we used to talk about Jordan Pick for a couple of years ago have you ever watched Beyond Scared Street the programme where it's in America and they send the kids into the jail and the men are like oh fool and they're like if you carry on this is what you're going to be and there's always the one kid in there who just bursts out laughing and is dead smiling but afterwards he has an interview when he bursts into tears and he says I didn't find it funny I wasn't laughing I was just nervous and that's how I deal with it I'm sorry mum exactly that's what I think we sort of because of what our Mason is and the chewy and all of that I think we think he's dead cocky and he's comfortable on the ball and that's what I think it was I think he just panicked he didn't know what to do and for all that we can we sit here and we say he had 20-30 seconds to make his decision he probably felt like oh my god I've only got two seconds here what am I doing I'm attaining with it he's probably thinking in the back of his mind two minutes ago this player Watkins was straight on me so he's going to do it again I just think there's too many players and there seems to be too many players at the moment Calvert Lewin's done it over the last few weeks where he's gone into good areas and it's just been I just need to hit the ball nor I'm going to look up and I'm going to kill it or I'm going to put it past the keeper it's just let me just hit it with my foot and hope where it goes I don't know I don't think there's enough composure in this team I was going to say that one of our biggest problems certainly at home this season is the lack of discipline and lack of composure especially on the ball place plays like Gomez it's almost as if Gomez is so surprised when there's a player running at him it's like it files you slow as well but the first raising thing for me was we've got a big number nine he wins all his aerial battles big number nine, he's brilliant at holding up the ball he's got plays like with Charleston playing off with Charleston making ones in behind playing off him Sigarton's not too far away from him and he's constantly trying to play we start goal kicks with two defenders and two centre backs in our box I know it's the modern game but I really don't understand playing out of the box when you're not quite the quality and your plays are too slow obviously you look at a game of Saturday every time we're losing the ball in our own half we were going out for a throw and we just couldn't get the ball out of our own half but look how many goals this season we've just the one Dom's scored it comes from just launching the ball we got a corner from it get the ball up to Dom and he'll win it we've seen games against United at home kept trying to play it at the back playing nothing played a long ball up to Dom and he flicked it on to Bernard we've got a big number nine who's brilliant at holding the ball why don't we use him, why don't we keep playing out trying to play out of the back where we've not got the quality to do that far too slow on the ball they panic and try and do croiff turns and it ends up going out for a throw and we've got a keeper there whether you like it or not he's brilliant kicking his distribution is really good we've got the ball on Saturday so why have we spent the first 10, 20, 30 minutes trying to play out of the back God knows why it wasn't for Jordan it had been four, five, six, one on Saturday Aston Villa were very good money for the result he turned up they had chance after chance Barclay at the post I talked to and I asked him about the Barclay situation he just picks it up and just moves with it you've seen it yesterday in the West Ham game it's more than what I found in the dangerous area and I said on Twitter this morning what I'd give to have a player who just picks the ball up and just runs forward every time we get the ball it just seems like the players can't move with it they've got to do whatever they want to do standing still they can't move forward they can't take a couple of players on they can't get it to a decent position in the pitch there's a lot of issues in this team and to be honest I think lack of quality is one that we talk about a lot there's been games this season where Everton have had 20, 30% possession and look that tactic a lot of times employed that tactic a lot of times where we defend and we get teams on the counter attack but there's been a lot of times when we've had the city game as a prime example of this and I'm not saying that we've beaten city even on our best day but we must have seen the ball at a handful of times in each half we must have had about what 26% possession or something like that but when we had the ball we were just lumping it back forward to them it was like they had the ball consistently for 10 minutes it was like instead of keeping it or passing it round or making smart moves it was just like right we'll get it straight back and we'll give it straight back to them or we'll kick it out for a throw in and they can get it back there's just not enough composure there's not enough confidence and Carlo keeps saying that this team believes in themselves and they've got the bravery and they've got the spirit to finish in European competitions but we're not seeing that we're not seeing the quality on the pitch and it'll be all good if we turn up on Sunday and I don't think we will because I'm not confident if we turn up on Sunday and beat West Ham it'll be great because we'll all be sitting here saying we're three points behind the top six now we're two points behind Liverpool or whatever but it doesn't matter if you're always going to be two points, three points behind so because at the end of the season we'll finish two, three points behind which means nothing every time we can have that opportunity to take a step ahead for example we'd have been above Liverpool this weekend their game got obviously postponed because of the the fans on the pitch and stuff so we'd have gone above them and stayed above them for the entire week with the being within the top six we could have put real pressure on West Ham ahead of Sunday's game but every time it comes to taking that next step forward it's like two steps back and bottle it yeah exactly and that's been an issue with everything for years and that's my ultimately it's frustrating because we sat here at this point last season when obviously football retained after the lockdown and we all said right Carlo needs a somebody he's going to bring his own players in you know cos I remember I think it was to the second game after the football retained after the lockdown after the derby we all said there might be a potential fight for Europe here we gotta go run a games go run a wins on the on the shot we could potentially finish in the European position we didn't we felt a bit we lost three we do three and we all sort of sat there and went well well this is a squad that you know isn't good enough it needs quality it needs investment it just frustrates me so much that we're pretty much sitting here saying the same thing now and I know Hamis didn't play on Saturday and I know Decorey didn't play on Saturday but I seen a one of the lads on Twitter put a team sheeting of Everton vs Manchester City at the Etihad in 2018 December and Barron one of two players it was the same team not played on Saturday that's three years it just shows how poor the recruitment is not just since basically my share is so cool where isn't it yeah there shouldn't be a situation where you have to rely on one or two players being in the squad and that's your excuse if they're not they should if Hamis goes out the side then they should be a like for like young cungu player who can come in and do the same job same with Decorey exactly it's just I mean you're on about we've talked about bottling it before but getting chances to go up the table it's games like Villa Newcastle Burnley Palace we didn't take our chances God knows West Ham any more as the Burnley Leeds I'm out of games we just bottled it and then it seems like after every one of those games social media posts from the players we'll do better next time we know we have to do better we'll fight next time we've got a big fight in our hands they might show a bit of braving and a bit of fight but I generally just don't think they've got the quality or the brains I really think this is a thick team that should not have got the quality so many games have lost this season Manchester City just for reference have lost four games this season now Everton have you look at games that Everton have lost to teams that not saying you accept losing against but teams that you think they've got quality so we've lost to city sand no big issue with that one of the best teams in Europe you're probably going to play in a Champions League final as long as they get through tonight Manchester United again step ahead much better than us and I haven't lost at that point in a month and a half since Tushal has been there that's three teams have lost to this season that you'd say and okay well from West Ham in there for argument's sake because they're having a good season four teams have lost to that you go you know what in the grand scheme of things it's not the end of the world every other game we've lost this season has been to sides that we're going into the game expecting to win and this is the issue with Everton is if we okay take two or three of those games you might lose games that you don't expect to lose and that's sad we'd still have less losses than less that and still be riding that race for top three or four never mind top six so if we'd have won the majority even half of those games that we went into thinking yet we should win here we'd be comfortably sat in the top six and it'd be a real fight if we'd have won them all we'd be challenging city for the league not saying we would have but that's the issue is that we're not sitting here saying we beat Liverpool away from home at Amfield first time in 22 years we haven't lost the spares all season beat them away, drew with the McHuderson drew with Man United, they're all suffered beat Chelsea at home, beat Arsenal twice the top teams in the leagues the super elite teams the big super greedy six we've done well against all season except the three I mentioned before which again isn't the end of the world we've lost the teams that have got more quality than us every other game we've lost this season has been sad that we all sit here after it what's happening here then I think this has been our best away record in the Premier League or any ever I think or one of them but also one of the worst home records I know fans coming to it of course probably won't be the same with fans on the stadium won't will it but when you're seeing the same consistent crap every week at home one win since December at home three since October seeing the same crap at home all the time not really any improvement it's so worrying I just think what did you make of that, I was going to touch on the subs because I think some of the subs this year have been poor probably down to enchilotti I know the bench has been pretty crap all season because there's just lack of the quality in the side and plus injuries what did you make on the substitutions on Saturday I thought you were poor again to be honest with you but with Carlo enchilotti this is the worst score the players he's ever inherited in his football and career and I understand that and like you said I get that when he's looking at his bench there's not like he's got a lot of quality to pick from it's not like when you look at city's bench and they've got wheelbeath or after wheelbeath so I get it but for me there's been a number of times this season in which Carlo enchilotti has made substitutions that just baffle you and make you scratch your head bringing Fabian Delphon at one all when you're searching for a winner is just an absolute nonsense for me because Fabian Delphon when you're 2-1 up or you're 3-1 up and you need to secure the game out front the thing I'll say about Delph is he had the right socks on at least for a start probably I still can't get over that to be honest with you I can't believe a professional footballer ran onto a pitch in the long kit I was that even possible but even Tom Davis who you wouldn't necessarily say is a game winner or a player that's going to win you the game I had classed Tom Davis bringing them on you're usually typically bringing them on to see out a win you're up 2-1 up, 3-1 up and you're bringing them on to just make it hard make it gritty and see out the win in this situation I'd rather have seen Tom Davis than Fabian Delph because at least either got about a little bit more either put himself about either had a little bit more energy he hasn't got as much energy as somebody like a decorre and we know that bringing in a replacement for decorre or somebody a little bit like for like is a necessity for me in the summer and then that type of player centre in the field there is it's not even a question it's got to be done in the summer because we simply can't go into next season relying on a decorre being fit for 38 games because when he's not in there on midfield it's static, it's absolutely static but at least Tom would have come on and thrown his weight about a little bit not saying he's an attacking player he wouldn't have scored he might necessarily have scored but he'd have done a little bit more I think when Fabian Delph come on he was being a little bit cautious to be honest I think he just thought don't do anything stupid keep it normal, keep it calm and that's like I said that's boss if you're winning and you just need a professional player to come and show the game out we didn't need that the Josh King situation baffles me to be honest he absolutely baffles me if you're going to bring him on for three minutes at the end don't bother but then Josh King comes on and has a chance where the whole Aston Villa defence back off him and he's got the ball in the edge of the box and he tags it wide he doesn't even get it on target he must be so bad in training he mustn't say it's not even get a look in that's what I mean it's one all that goes to some park you're playing a decent Aston Villa side respecting the decent side but a team that you should be beating and you should expect to be beating it's a massive game in regards to the fight for Europe you've got five or six games to go and you're bringing a sensible midfielder on who you know isn't going to create anything or score anything before you're bringing on your attacking option that was brought in in January to give us a little bit more it just shows how unconfident that Everton and Carlo Ancelotti must be because he hasn't started the game and let's be honest when was the has he ever come on for more than 15 minutes as a sub? I think that maybe against was it Leeds, his debut, was it Leicester I can't remember it was an away game, I think it was at Elan Road and he came on for about 13 minutes and other than that it's been 10, 5 minutes every time 10 minutes at the end of the game I was had enough to make a decision so he must be bad in training I'm sick of watching and a few people said he had a good game on Saturday but he's really making a couple runs backwards and making nice little cute passes and then a shot that went 30 yards wide is that really enough for an Everton winger just because he's not as bad as the other one is that enough for you that's it and you've just hit the nail on the head then it's because he's not as bad as the others this is an alexawalby typically and on Saturday included when he's got the ball of his feet he's a tricky footballer he gets himself out he's got good footwork his passing is 50-50 he made a couple of decent passes he made one to Dom and Dom just completely messed up the touch but sometimes he doesn't make the passes his delivery into the box is shocking for a winger absolutely shocking I think he's a little bit like Dom to be honest his composure is nothing it's his body when he kicks the ball lean back and he opens his legs up he can't whip the ball every cross is at the defender's feet which is ironic because every time he tries to cross it and you want him to get a bit of height on it he doesn't and every time you want him to shoot with no height it ends up in Rosehead but for me with alexawalby again same as the Smithfielders he doesn't move enough he does the nice footwork with his feet he plays the pass off and then it's almost like he goes right that's me that's me done then instead of going right now I'll make a move into there or I'll go beyond him and I want to receive it back he does his work and then he just stands and watches and he's always just sort of standing and watching and look again maybe he just hasn't got the football and intelligence like you mentioned before quality of player when you talk about a quality footballer and a world class footballer you look at your javies I'm just going to name world class examples here that will play for everyone but your javies your iniesta's your Tony Cruces these aren't just top quality footballers with the ball of defeat technically but they're also up here the football and brain is beyond anything David Silver it was so hard to mark not just about you can make accompaniments for players that might have a lot of pace or might do a lot of movement if the football and brain is absolutely exceptional technically they're unbelievable andres iniesta for probably the last three seasons of his career at Barcelona barely moved but he was still 8, 9 out of 10 every week the problem is with everything as we've got these players that barely move but also don't have that seem like they have that football and intellect to get away with not doing that movement and get away with not taking that man on or getting beyond them or making that ball bwst and run so I don't know technically with the ball of defeat I have this conversation all the time we spoke about it last week if you give them a ball and stood 10 yards away you probably go you need to do some football and they'll be the same but if you charge that you're flapping as proven on multiple occasions they're a squad of good individually good players but they're not in the right team they've got a squad with hammers and Sigarton and Gomez and they're all in the same team together those players would be great on their own with players like runners around them he will be good in a team with other players that run and play play the two all the time movement but we've got all of them players in one team it doesn't work because they're all too slow and they're not disciplined enough within the qualities there you mentioned transfers before I think you mentioned the right winger we spoke about transfers before on the podcast some big strong links in the past week or two obviously this been we'll start with one room which is not a transfer but it's a possible contract signing off Hamers-Hodriges a possible extension we spoke about it last week on the news daily we haven't really covered it but what do you think a new contract for hammers can bring to the club? obviously when hammers signed we deal with the option to extend for the third and I think he will extend for the third I think Carlo Ancelotti seems to believe that he's happy, I think Everett not happy with him the issue is with Hamers as we knew when he coming in the summer that when he plays he's going to be absolutely exceptional and he has been, it's not like we're sitting here and this is ironic because the player I'm about to mention scored an attic at the weekend but it's not like we're sitting here and talking about a Gareth Bale who has had a lot of chances for spares this season and not really done a lot in the majority of his games okay he scored an attic the other day and that most of the time he's been bang average hammers when he's on that pitch for Everett some of the best numbers exactly some of the best numbers probably in a long time for individual players left in football club his creativity is unbelievable his goals that he's scored he's scoring goals, he's assisting he's playing players in Dominic Calvert-Lewm has composed him from the goal and probably he's the same with a couple of other players with Charleston hammers has probably had 2-3 times the amount of assists that he's currently got the issue obviously is is the injuries which we knew coming into the club that he was going to have a lot of injuries the one the other day was frustrating because obviously when you pick up an injury and play match training it's not looking good but look ultimately again like you said it's okay to have a hammers or driggers in your team if everybody else is energy and everybody else's intensity makes up for the fact that he might not have that much intensity because his quality makes up for everybody else's lack of quality but you can't have 4, 5, 6 hammers or driggers in your team and that's whatever and you've got only that the other players aren't as good as hammers or driggers quality wise they're just in terms of energy and stuff they don't bring that either so listen I think he will sign and it'll be good hopefully but we need to fill we will be good but we need to fill the rest of the squad and the rest of the team with players that benefit hammers that can run around them that can do the work rate and that hammers I think the club are happy with him his numbers are very good yes when he's injured it's frustrating and I get that and it's frustrating when he's in the start 11 and then it comes to the game and he's not starting I understand that but I think what we also have to realise is we all sat here in the summer when he signed and sort of said to ourselves this is a lad who hasn't played consistent football for 2 or 3 years so if he plays 6 or 7 games on the bounce at the start of the season don't be surprised if he gets an injury he played 6 or 7 games on the bounce at the start of the season he got an injury he wasn't playing obviously buying me in a few years ago it was probably the last time he really consistently played so the hope is that after he recovers from this cutting calf injury that he can start to get a little bit of fitness and the fact that he's played a lot this season going into next season will benefit him a little bit more but he probably is going to continue to pick up injuries but his quality is like I said it's better than anybody else in the club by quite a significant amount absolutely and just to imagine what he can do with a when he can pick up the ball in a bit of space outside of the box and he's got a right bat going there a left bat going there and a right wing going there left wing going there and then striking in the middle of the box but obviously in another room we've been seeing quite a lot and obviously it's each of their own but Fliquitino and I've seen a lot of fans get really excited about it it ruined me to be 40 million obviously they want money because they need to get out of trouble and they spent a lot of money on him but if we go out this is my opinion by the way if we go out and spend 40 million pounds on another 29 year old player he's just another technical good player and he's not fast or anything he's not young, he's not hungry he doesn't care about everything if we go out and spend 40 million on him when Leicester are going picking up James Justins for nothing or we could easily just go and get another two Godfrees but two young, athletic, hungry players put 15, 20 million each and we go and waste 40 million on Fliquitino and then we don't bring a young hungry winger and a young hungry striker or a young hungry right back like an orange or riddlebacker or whatever I'll be done with the club to be honest I'll be fuming because it's just a really poor recruitment I echo exactly what you've just said there was three rumors I've seen last night early this morning jumping back on to Twitter and it was Sergio Aguero, Fliquitino and Ivan Tony and out of those three I would much rather have Ivan Tony than the other team to be honest with you the Cotino stuff for me and I'm not just saying this because I completely agree with Matt not to do with his connection to Liverpool is Fliquitino a good footballer technically he's a very good footballer seven years ago absolutely he's a very good footballer he's got Premier League experience and yet that's all brilliant but as Matt said 29 years old had constant injuries over the last couple of years or so still got the ability in the odd game we saw that in the Champions League semifinal was it last year against Barcelona for Bayern Munich he's going to be a good player that comes in for £40 million probably £150 grand a week and might play 15 times in a season it's exactly what we don't need at Everton at the moment Hammers has worked but we've also seen the flip side, the fans being frustrated with Hammers through his injuries and how much he's getting paid and the fact that he spends six weeks out injured he plays once to miss five games that's exactly what we'd be getting if we brought in for Fliquitino it's exactly what we'd be getting if we brought in Sergio Aguero is he one of the best strikers to ever grace the Premier League absolutely he's a legend of the Premier League he's brilliant and if he plays seven times he'll probably score ten goals but that's the point he's only going to play seven times because he'll spend the rest of the time out injured, he's coming to the end of his career Fliquitino, I think it's his agent throwing his name about to try and get him a move to the Premier League steer away from those types of players as matter they're not coming in with any hunger they're not coming in with any sort of passion and any sort of drive for their career because they've been there Fliquitino's one of Champions League he's won I think he's won as he won the league with Barcelona he's being there, he's won what he's needed to win he's not coming to Everton to go right I want to turn the seven team into a Champions League he's coming to Everton probably thinking I'll get over it underground a week I'll spend the majority of the time on the fitness bench or on the fitness table whatever and I'll have a cushy time I'll turn up once every now and then and I'll put in a half decent performance and that'll be enough, it's not enough recruitment wise it's really really not enough I'm not saying Everton or Simon, Tony 40 goal contributions in 44 games for Brentford this season, 30 goals to assist that's exactly what we need in a player, yes he hasn't got the Premier League experience, yes he's not the name Catino is or Aguero is but he's 25 years old so he's still young and not even in the prime of his career he's certainly hungry isn't he he's got a point to prove he wants the point to prove they can do it in the Premier League so I don't think that's what Coutinho think is, we've seen plays like Coole Barley as well we cannot spend money on especially Coole Barley would be like 50 60 million maybe 70 million pounds signing for 29 or 30 year old Coutinho on Coole Barley and the player profiles that we need they're not not needed in the what's the word? they're not necessity obviously we need a right back if you want to get the best out of hammers then you need a right back you need a proper winger you need a proper sentiment of fielder but I think looking at right back obviously there's been links to Aaron's with Tottenham Westam as well recently obviously they've probably joined the battle might be just rumours but obviously he's a good player so I can't imagine there'll be clubs going off but do you think he's the best option obviously this rumours about if you want 30 million he'll probably be able to get it for less but do you think he's the best option or do you look at players like Riddleback who is a bit more versatile might offer a bit more going forward obviously Aaron's got probably the best attacking right back numbers in Europe seems like touching the box and stuff but it would be your perfect right back I'd say Aaron's it's difficult to say with best option because I remember when we shined Luca Dean and I thought I knew of Luca Dean obviously I knew his quality but I thought I didn't see that one coming look at you to ask me there probably is better value for money out there there's probably a right back who's around Max Aaron's age who's got a lot of quality who's got a lot of ability and is playing in a league that hasn't really got many eyes on him so would probably cost a fraction of the price that Max Aaron's had cost I don't doubt that but I think with Max Aaron's what you're getting is are you getting that Premier League experience already is that he brings in an absolutely unbelievable you've also got the rapport with Ben Goffley which is important I know some people might say so what he knows Ben Goffley etc but that means he's already got a play in there who we can go to on the first day of the season who we can say look introduce me to this that the other what's going on at the club he's got somebody that can put his arm around him and take him under his wing I think look Max Aaron's would cost an awful lot of money of course he would because he's in the spotlight before like you said there's numbers of unbelievable he's just being promoted with knowledge so there is going to be a lot of teams that have got eyes on Max Aaron's and maybe that will put Marcel Brands off maybe Marcel Brands will go do you know what there's a lad here in Germany or in France who is just as good as Max Aaron's just as young and will cost us a lot less money and that's fine if we sign that said player and they come and turn up to be absolutely unbelievable and that's great if we sign them and they turn out to be crap and Max Aaron's goes to the tournament runs the show then there'll be people saying why didn't you just sign Max Aaron's so I get that there's probably better value for money out there I don't know off the top of my head because like I said you know when Marcel Brands brought in Nelson Cuncu again I know I obviously had a lot of game time this season but when he's played he's looked good I didn't know much about Nelson Cuncu whatsoever and he's come in and he's looked really exciting when we brought in Ben Goffrey I knew he'd had the season of knowledge but I thought £20 million for the centre back he's just been relegated yet he's come in and been I played at the season this season so it is the easier option, safer option and I think maybe Evan will look at him and go you know what maybe he's the type of player that we need he's the type of profile that we need and he is like you said we need more young hungry players that are coming with a point of view we're going to want to come in and you know change this Evan team I mean in terms of the Catino stuff look at what we need in this Evan team we need energy, we need pace we need somebody that can take players on knock the ball past players he's not a good player he's not what we need Max Adams is what we need there probably is better value for money out there but maybe we just bite the bullet with this one and say you know what we'll spend the money and we'll go out and get one of the best young right backers and I'm not saying Catino doesn't move an awful lot like the rest of our midfield do but he hasn't really got that dying pace that we need for players to knock it past the player and take players on and create chances for money and we'll go out and get one of the best young right backs in European football at the moment Yeah and I think the thing where Max Adams is he's played in the Premier League last season he's part of one of the part of the best championship side that the EFL has probably seen the Norwich side he's playing in now is a really good Norwich side obviously he looked good in the Premier League last season young, athletic really good going forward, pretty good defensively and I think that Aaron's in coming and we'll know that he'll do with the job because he's done it before, he's got experience in the Premier League and he's got a good developed time off his career now he's not as a peak but he's certainly good enough to come in and do a job so it won't be as big as a calculated risk to go and spend money on like someone might be cheaper like a lampty obviously lampty obviously looks good but he's been injured for he's worked out really well but that's another risk obviously didn't cost him much money I think the thing is that lampty as well as he plays a lot of his football at right wing it's quite small isn't it we have to play a five at the back and I don't want to play a five at the back what you say with Adams there is you're not just buying Max Adams at the play of the years today you're buying Max Adams of the play that he might be in two years, three years, four years time it's 20, 22 years old isn't it 21 I think, 22 years old you're buying not only what he is today which is as he got areas to improve on absolutely of course he has the same as Ben Goffrey he has the same as Dominic Calvert-Lunas but you're not just buying it's not like we're buying Max Adams and it's like that Max Adams that's what he is, he won't get any better you're buying a Max Adams who's very good now and got the potential to be even better in two, three, four years time and that's the type of profile that needs to be going out and getting good, hungry young players you've got a lot of talent now you've got the potential to be even better in coming years rather than buying players that have been very talented and are now on the sort of downspout of the career and I get some would say wow look a hammers it worked with hammers it did work with hammers and it's sound having one of those plays in your team, it's not sound having four or five of those plays in your team because at this point we just become you know even slower than we already are now and I don't even think that's physically possible to be honest mate yeah I agree to be honest I suppose we'll have to wait till the sun and see how it pans out, I just really can't wait for the end of the season because it is getting depressing now but hopefully we do bring in some we'll bring in the correct plays and not be tempted by some of these big names that'll probably just damage us more to be honest, end up ones that we're trying to shift into with three years time thinking why don't we sign then think we'll finish off on the West Ham game this Sunday isn't it four o'clock kick off not feeling confident I look at our fixtures now and I was thinking before the bill again I was thinking yeah we can get 12 points here I don't think we'll have three or four points or six points maybe two home games left and to be honest the home game is probably the tougher game back as more at Etihad to be honest yeah how do you think we can obviously West Ham have been so good at home this season and decent away how can we go and nick three points at the London stadium it's going to be hard mate it's going to be really really hard West Ham in fantastic form I've had a fantastic season, very resilient team one thing that David Moyes has brought to West Ham which makes me quite jealous to be honest is consistency, they're very consistently good they beat the teams that are below them they might struggle against the teams that are above them or in and around them as we've seen with the Chelsea game a couple of weeks ago, the Arsenal game where they threw the three in a lead but anybody below them they beat them yesterday you know again you made the difficult in the last ten minutes but they got through and they won that game so I'm really not confident our away form has been exceptional this season it really has that gives me a little bit more confidence the fact that it's away from home if this was a good decision then I'd probably go to bed to be honest with you very early I wouldn't even be interested in watching I'm like you, I'm just done with the season now to be honest I said it on one of our teams the other day I'm not even interested anymore that's what your results like Burnley at home, Brighton away Palace at home, Villa at home, Fulham Newcastle twice, that's what these types of results do to you you just get to a point where you go yeah I'm not really interested anymore I do think if it was as good as our away record has been this season it's good to come to a point where we lose again to a better side and we go actually you know what they're a much more organised side with a lot more quality and I fear that that might be this Sunday I fear that we might all be sitting here this time next week saying do you know what, they're just a lot better than we are at the moment and that shown it wouldn't put it past, everything to go out and win West Ham have looked shaky at times typically when they go ahead and they get the lead and then you know teams knock one back I mean last night against Burnley Burnley got one back and he sort of you know they went a little bit shaky us, I think Burnley went one up sorry but in the last sort of 10 or 15 minutes Burnley were pushing for the equalise they went with Arsenal the other week I can't remember who it was, they went with someone else asked me for everything to go out there and put a performance in and get a result but that even that arguably that adds even more frustration to the season because then you're thinking why couldn't you turn up and do that against then Aston Villa side that you would have beaten if you'd have turned up and showed a bit of fight but I just worry that we'll be sitting here on Monday despite how good our way record is and just saying you know they're a much better side they showed a lot more quality they showed a lot more organisation, discipline I think is a big word, I think they're a very disciplined squad very disciplined group of players and evident don't seem to be that we're not that at the moment so it's going to be extremely difficult I'm not confident but you know at least it's on a Sunday mate and we're not going to get all weekend ruined Well I think you said before they were a disciplined team but I think the reason they've done so well the season obviously said they beat other teams they make sure they beat the teams below them that's why Goodison was such a fortress under Moe's years ago because we make sure we win most of our own games and they've been well drilled, well organised disciplined and they've also had the the squads, they've kept the skeleton all season they've played the same system more or less they've played like Declan Rice and Sue Chet playing next to each other for 30 games in a row before Declan Rice went out injured but they managed to put a light for light player and obviously this season we've had so many injuries and not that they had light for light players that we've constantly changed in the system to try and tactically grind out wins but I think West Ham's they've been so well drilled and well organised that they've done really well so they've played to them but I'm I'm normally optimistic aren't I and you can't after getting beat at home by a villa and losing another home game you can't blame me for not being confident so I think we'll finish on the score prediction I'm going to say I'm going to say 1-0 West Ham you can't blame me for being unconfident or not optimistic because we're rubbish because we are crap, we've got beat to one at home by a villa but we won one home game I know it's a way but can you honestly think we can go to West Ham and get I almost said go up to par then do you think we can go up there and get three points we might do but I'm not feeling confident I'll vote you I'm going to go 1-0 I'm the same mate I'm not feeling confident at all I just think they will come to a point where even if it's as good as out of way for me we'll sit there and go they were just a better team and they performed a lot better than we did and I feel like it might be this game I'll go 1-0 maybe get a sneaky draw take a point from there but look ultimately this is what everything does to us doesn't it it dejects us of all hope and all sort of belief biggest letdowns to say we're five, six games away from the end of the season and mathematically take away all of the results in the performance still within a fight for Europe if teams drop points and we can pick up points to say that that's where we are and we're all sort of sitting here thinking who's bothered really because ultimately we're only going to get disappointed anyway it just shows what everything does to us isn't it I'm probably going to go with 1-0 maybe take a sneaky point but I'm not looking forward to it to be honest I'd rather be away if we were at home I think we'd get trashed but Carlo has to make some big decisions now and by big decisions I mean these players that don't impact games or football whatsoever can't be playing for everything the summer it's a massive massive massive summer we can't be having players that are in there because they're professional and they turn up for training every week and they're dead sad in the changing room that's boss yeah meet them in the street great shake their hand and go oh he's dead sad he's a lovely fella not in against them as people but that doesn't warrant being in this evident team week in week out in the Premier League if you're a footballer you shouldn't be in there no matter how nice you are or how well you're playing training it's a football club that's it and we focus far too much on other things some of the stuff that we do is great but we're a football club stop being stopped stop piss footing around with these rubbish players getting out of the door and get some proper quality have some guts that's it and that's why Carlo takes blame for the Villa game because for as much as we can say the bench was dejected great he still watched that first half and determined the half time that he didn't need to make a substitution now that saying those words out my mouth baffles me because I sat there the half time and said I'd make three substitutions right now I sat there on 20 minutes and said bring Gary Mineral and change that defence we might have won the game but would have been a lot more stable for the rest of it but he didn't watch it and I don't know why he did that I don't know whether he didn't think that it needed changing or whether he thought no I don't want to change it he upset players but the reality of the situation is sometimes you have to upset players to go and get results and we've seen it over the numbers Carlo Ancelotti's done it before in his career he's upset players to get results and to win trophies and to win leagues and it worked for him and ultimately half an hour later the player who he's upset is fine because we've won the game and he's dead happy and we're on a good run of form but I don't know why he didn't make a substitute when he should have done but yeah like you said we'll turn up in the first 20 minutes against West Ham and we're absolutely dead for them we're getting over running there's a certain player who's making mistake after mistake just take them off bring somebody else on, change it don't wait until we're 1-0 down and then go I'm going to take you off on 60 minutes because you look a bit tired now take them off and go you've been shite mate so you're coming off but will we ever? I know mathematically we're still in the fight for Europe but I personally think we've thrown it no I think it's over and it's completely our fault not because other teams have been great because other teams around us keep dropping points look at the goals we've conceded we've conceded three goals in three games and all three of them have been no sorry four goals in three games and all four of them have been defensive mistakes the two against Tottenham the one against Palace as well the Palace goal defensive mistake Ollie Watkins' goal the other day was shocking and even Al-Ghazi goal Coleman basically stabbed it and goes yeah have a shot there if I'm Jordan Pickford by the way I'm absolutely furious at that Everton defence no one's saving that are they that's what I mean but he's put in a 10 out of 10 performance he's saved everything and the one shot where a player just needs to stand up and go no you're not taking that shot they've let him go go on kill it in and he can't do anything about it had there been in the dressing room going use it all a joke and after a joke I've saved you six, seven times there and you've just completely stood off you know okay Al-Ghazi's not well class or one of the best players in the world but he's obviously got the ability to kill it another frustrating thing before we finish mate on that is why don't we have any players that do that why don't we have any players that can stand on the edge of the box bar and hammers who we've already talked about nobody else just stands and goes I'm going to kill this one front corner every time we have a shot it lands in my back yard you'd think so with some of the money we've spent on players like Iwobi and then you see Iwobi shot the box that went out the stage that's it I said on the instant match reaction Al-Ghazi he's probably one of Villa's best players and a Villa fan commented and said he's not even in the top 10 best players now vast in Villa a decent club a decent team but let's be honest a mid table Premier League team if they're 10th best player can do that then I haven't even got more than one player in the start of 11 that can do that we don't score many goals outside of the box do we we don't score many goals unless it's from 5 yards out I think only hammers hammers scored outside of the box this season less than he did didn't he Rich Alisson scored outside of the box against less than he did less than away yeah it's like a deflection didn't it Sigurdsdon scored against Blackpool in preseason that's it but our goals of the majority of them have come from that six I mean I think Dominic Calvert-Lewin hasn't scored a goal from further than 10 yards this season but that's because of the type of players his posture and he was brilliant on set pieces so why don't we get down the wing and whip balls in the box you play to his strength stop trying to drop in so deep to get a touch on the ball given the chances that's fine for Dom if he's going to score all of his goals from 5 to 6 yards out that's great but sometimes you won't be able to do that because like you said teams will defend against or teams will suss it out quickly so then you need a plan B a plan C you need to then say right you're going to you're good from outside the box here so you take this Gilffy Sigurdsdon typically is a very good striker of the ball from outside the box yet he must shoot once every 15 games say to Gilffy Sigurdsdon write the mark and Dom out the game a little bit here he can't get the space in the 6 yard box so when you get a 20 yards out it's your foot through it say the same to Hammers we seem to just have a plan if it falls to Dom in the 6 yard box he'll score and if not then we won't score and that's it hopefully we get someone in the summer who can do everything because I fell up watching this squad it really cares about what happens at the end of the season we've thrown away your roots we care about West Ham beat the chasers back on some exactly we'll get into the summer start fresh get some new signings in then we can all get our hopes up again probably sat here next season going let's just wait till the summer hopefully finish top 10 next season at least we beat Liverpool on field this season we've got the iconic picture and the iconic mouse mat out of it so there you go thank you very much for listening to the Toffey TV Everton podcast we'll be back next week probably some shows with us today also make sure you check out his channel The Mighty Blues on YouTube if you want more Toffey TV videos including live exclusive videos every day we go live so head over to Patreon it's very fun get involved thanks very much for watching and we'll see you later