 Hey Justin, did you know commerce at Twitter is not dead? Yeah, let me sum it up for you in just 26 tweets Is it not dead? Because I know rumors of their demise have been Twitter to support it and there's kind of no way for us to do that There's a lot of things about leveraging platforms in this Nathan Hubbard tweet storm You have to wonder what would have happened with Twitter? And maybe this is a good conversation to say in fact you want to know what I'm gonna save it All right, let's just do the show then. Let's just do the show. Let's do it. Here we go This episode of the Daily Tech news show is brought to you by me If you'd like to bring the next episode to yourself go to Daily Tech news show comm slash support to be part of the show Let's do this time This is the Daily Tech news for Thursday June 2nd 2016 I'm Tom Merritt joining me Justin Robert young Host of politics politics politics weird things night attack and more. How are you sir and and I like to think? The a staple on Thursdays I'm glad I'm able to bring an element of stability to the lives of the tech news Consuming public here on this very platform. That's a man. Great job with Steve Kovac on Friday I enjoyed listening to that show and that's always a great feeling Yeah, well, you know, we we we try to do our best very very easy to do it with an old friend like Steve So it was it was a great Pleasure to to take part in it and hopefully it leads to you being able to to take more Vacations and recharge your batteries so you can come back like a bull in a china shop like you have this week And rested and ready like a puppet Nixon debating birdie Sanders. Let's start off with the headlines Pebble announced today that Amazon Alexa voice services will be integrated with the upcoming pebble core wearable That's that little plastic one that doesn't have a screen It's streamed Spotify has GPS fitness tracking the buttons programmable So you can do some hackery stuff with it the pebble core is set to ship early 2017 at a retail price of $99 Though for the next 27 days if you go to their Kickstarter, you can get it for $79 But yeah, the not the first device to get Amazon Alexa But I think that is very interesting Justin that pebble which has prided itself on cross platform independence is saying sure Well, let's play in the Amazon arena And not to mention the fact that I think that those kind of wearables are kind of missing something that would be an easy Way to interact with it. Let's face it the Idea of plugging something into a computer and interacting with it through a menu is is Basically minimum viable product that if you really want something to be used very very well then especially something that is You know, you want to kind of take on the go and not think so much about Then having a voice interface is huge and I think it's it's where Voice interfacing NVR. I feel like this is this is one of those years This is this is a very very interesting year because beyond the hype You are starting to see the hype see kind of recede a little bit and an actual little pillars of usefulness Remain and that's what I think Alexa, this is a great example. Hey look, what have I just bought a lump and that lump I never plugged into a computer aside to maybe charge it and everything I need to know about it I would get through one of these towers of Babel And I forgot to mention the pebble core that this little tiny plastic bit has a 3g connection Yeah, it's it's you can you can talk to Alexa while you're out on the road as long as you have mobile service Makes me think just in what you're saying with VR and voice services and chatbots and AI It's about time for a new buzzword. We're out of the mobile universe. We're pat You know long long past that now. What do you think? What do you think is the good the buzzword for a month? We had we had dot-com. We had web 2.0 Letter because we went from E to I is right. Oh, is it EIO? Something with reality I think Reality's 90 if you have any thoughts on this Go ahead and hit us up on on Twitter at Justin our young or at ace detect or snapchat We'll get into the differentiations between those two a little bit later in the show Apple stores are running out of the $999 Thunderboard display and sources tell 9 to 5 Mac that a new display is coming Featuring a 5120 by 2880 display and an integrated GPU to keep it compatible with all future max Older max could use the display but probably not take advantage of the GPU or the 5k resolution However, Renee Ritchie for my more asked around and said quote It's not happening at the keynote or any time in the immediate Future aw man, and I trust Renee Ritchie so that That's that's too bad because I was fascinated with the idea of putting GPUs into the monitor And and if they could pull that off That's a really interesting way to make your laptop thinner But keep it useful at the desktop. I have a problem with that because I want I want if I need a powerful GPU I needed on the go as well But really really interesting this feels like an email announcement though, right? Like I can understand. Oh, no, this is something you want to have you you want to have on its own, right? You want to have a standalone announcement where you show off how you've you've cracked it You've got a GPU inside the monitor now, and it will it'll allow you to get the full power of the desktop in This paper thin laptop. Yeah, but they there are now So here is my new strata for Apple announcements, right? The big we're reshifting our famous Pillars of our stool Stuff that goes for their big WWDC or their big Invitational announcements there they're a they're a cards, right? Their B cards are still things that you could possibly get the weekend or John Mayer to play at And then the email announcements are stuff that hardcore computer fandom Would react to but they can always do that they can get they can hit all that in an email and an interview with a friendly source I still I still think this is this is what you announce were it to happen Remember now you Richie says not happen anytime soon, so this is all academic But were it to happen it would happen at an announcement that included brand new MacBooks, right? This is not on its own, but you this is more than an email announcement This isn't a spec upgrade. This is a new technology as far as apples You're right as long as they put it in instead of the I work demo then I'm really excited Saudi Arabia's public investment fund has given three and a half billion dollars to uber valuing the ride hailing company at 62.5 billion one of the funds managing directors Yassir al-Rumaian will get a seat on uber's board as well Saudi's princess Rima bint bandar al-sad is already on uber's public advisory board So there's a precedent here and probably a reason for the connection being made This comes on the heels of the European Commission warning member states against restrictions on the sharing economy services such as uber and Airbnb so a couple of nice victories for uber here a lot of people are starting to wonder Okay, is this going to cause controversy with uber since for instance women are not allowed to have a driver's license In Saudi Arabia, which uber answers. That's why they need uber in Saudi Arabia So there's some gonna be some controversy over human rights there Also, I've seen a couple headlines saying that when foreign governments start to put money into startups. That's a bad sign That we might be headed for a bust Well, but this is not just a little bit of money, right? You know, this is three point five billion dollars. This is this is a substantial investment My my armchair Quarterbacking on on Saudi Arabian investment is that I don't think it is as Monolithic as as people think even coming from the public in investment fund very often There are a lot of actors within Saudi Arabia that do all kinds of very very different and Often times even conflicting things What's interesting to me about this is whether or not and I believe I'm gonna totally steal a hot take from Card game creator Max Temkin Who wondered whether or not is this them? Is this a hedge against? Electronic vehicles for Saudi Arabia. Do they want to be more invested in the future of transportation Going forward as as a oil dependence would seemingly be on the decline. Yeah, I think they think there's something to that It's certainly all other considerations aside is Saudi Arabia looking for places to invest its oil money That will bring it a return once they're not making as much money off oil at some point in the future So yeah, I think that's fair all that being said listen Saudi Arabia is a very very problematic place to Have ties with just go ahead and ask the American government Ah Yahoo made three FBI national security letters public Wednesday marking the first publication Under a process set up under the USA free to Mac last June Users were notified privately through their names though their names were redacted from publication the letters subpoenaed Metadata addresses and telephone numbers and screen names Yeah, so big. This is a big moment I don't feel like it's being received as big of a moment as maybe some people thought it would National security letters don't require an outside judges approval And they can be required to be under NDA and this new system was set up to provide a little transparency So here you go folks Here's the transparency and maybe the fact that you don't know who they were for even though the people who they were Enacted about can now know about the fact that they were enacted against them It doesn't provide the splash headline That that you'd like to you'd like to know who it was now But this this is a positive step forward in a little bit of transparency into the surveillance state so I Think it's it's very very interesting because none of these companies that get these kinds of letters and notices and subpoenas Want to have these be secret? You know they they want to have that be as public as possible because Do have it be a surprise later that they have released all this information is tremendously damaging to the core element of trust between The companies and their users. So this is good. I think it's the fact that Yahoo is the one making this public kind of what's a little bit of a dampening in terms of the news value of it Nice choice FBI. Yeah Facebook announced it has developed a deep learning engine called deep text Which it claims can understand written text in more than 20 languages with near human accuracy Facebook's hope hopes to use the AI eventually to make better recommendations of related posts and services fight spam and harassment But to start it will only be able to understand the context of a post so it's being tested in Facebook messenger So when people say something about needing a ride it can pop in and say hey Can I can help you get an Uber or on Facebook when people want to sell something? It can suggest services that Facebook offers for being able to sell something through Facebook a Very interesting development. We're gonna get into another conversation But I feel like this is just kind of an example of Facebook being ahead of things Understanding that they need to build their platform and even if it causes short-term Disruption amongst the happiness of their user base that they want to push the platform forward and continue to make it better That doesn't mean it's perfect in many ways It is very very frustrating as somebody who is trying to connect with with fans of A let's just say theoretically a card game You know it's very frustrating to try to break through the walls They've set up because they want you to buy advertising and not just connect with people but They they're there it's going it's moving it's evolving and for something that you know We you know where we're old enough to remember the well You know don't get to invest it in Facebook because it's just gonna be the next my space and friends There's a reason why it stayed around yeah, and I think a lot of Blogs out there are over interpreting this Facebook isn't launching a machine learning service here And a lot of what you hear it being tested doing you're like well wait I thought they already did that with Facebook M You know is there something like that going on already and that's true This is Facebook showing off its machine learning chops. It's saying hey You know what you hear all about Google's deep mind all the time We got some major stuff going on over here, too Xiaomi Announced the me band to with a heartbeat monitor and OLED display for $22 and 65 cents Xiaomi promised 20-day battery life with a display that turns on at the tap to show step count heart rate and time a Me Band 2 goes on sale in mainland China June 7th. I I like it I Don't know everybody seems to think this is a big deal because it's it's a bigger advance than the me band the previous Two me bands one just added a heart rate sensor So that's why this is the me band to 20-day battery life is pretty good And it was that Computex and Xiaomi is very very hot hot so yeah are in our new buzzword That that encompasses all that is new Is our our fitness trackers and wearables are they part of it? Or are they are they already? Descending in the house they're descending. Yeah, I wearables for sure is starting to feel a little watery Like and it's just a watch or a fitness tracker, you know Yeah, feel somebody comes up with something that does an unexpected thing like not not clothing that lights up when you get a Twitter notification, but like something useful I don't I don't know that wearables is is going to be back on the rise. It's You got to bring something out of our listen, we don't even know the buzzword, but for the placeholder I'm sorry wearables. Don't let the door hit you where the good Lord split you Micromax India's largest phone maker said Thursday at the rise conference in Hong Kong that the company is looking to issue an IPO in 2018 co-founder Vikas Jain said the company wants to raise money to develop web services to offer on its phones Micromax has not decided whether to IPO in the US or India Vikas also said that Micromax plans to enter the Chinese market next year now Doing an IPO is less surprising to people than wanting to enter the vicious Chinese market Which at the low end where Micromax makes its phones is seen in the best lightest stagnating? I Mean to enter the Chinese phone market right now is basically figuring out a way that you can trade chicken Feed for a fully formed like you know feature phone, right? Like there's the the phones that are on the rise in China are all high-end smartphones right now because of the rest have been commodified and I this could indicate that Micromax wants to get in at the high end possibly. I don't know Maybe that's why they want to raise the money from the IPO to Yeah, maybe it'll be interesting to see where they're going because because you're dead right the Chinese phone market is fascinating right now Uber announced the new service in Amsterdam called Uber bike It is not people carting you around on bikes But rather a way to hail a car with a bike rack on it The rates are the same as uber X with a four-year-old charge Uber bike previously launched in Sao Paulo last July Uber also launched a car service in Kampala, Uganda Rides will be free in Kampala until midnight Saturday, June 5th. That's Sunday. Sorry Sunday June 5th. I still want all of our Kampala listeners and there might be one to be confused by my apologies to Kampala Yeah, this you know we give uber a couple of positive notes to finish out less controversial It is funny that a lot of folks were posting about uber bike in Amsterdam and Brazilians were getting upset saying we had that last year We had that for a while. It's not new But bringing it to Amsterdam that means that hey that that successful test in Brazil must have worked and Amsterdam's got a lot of people riding around on bikes So this could be a an interesting way to get more people getting ubers in Amsterdam I mean uber wants any any any any any possible way to keep their drivers busy They want drivers on the road. I know I've mentioned this year before but it is to me the constant Fascinating element of uber is that in listening to ESPN podcast? They are blanketed in uber advertisements not for using uber, but for recruiting Drivers they are all driver recruitment things not use our service, but rather come work for us Here's a way that you can make money that is their clear focus and all of these gimmicks Hey, do you have a bike rack you can get even more stuff and you can get a four-year-old Searcher are drawn top of it. It is all about keeping people out on the road While they try to give them less and less peride by creating more and more consumer friendly things upside Let me tell you folks There's always more things being reported than we could possibly fit in the show We try to do our best to say hey We think these are the most interesting things most important things to listen to for the day and you help us with that If you're in our subreddit at daily tech news show dot reddit dot com big thanks to strike it rich one I am sci-fi Loki Robert SP shared in a betwella condolce and more For submitting stories get in there and either submit or vote at daily tech news show dot reddit dot com And that is a look at the headlines All right Bloomberg has sources that they say Tell it snapchat has reached 150 million daily active users and it's skyrocketing It's about quite a bit from the last quarter Twitter if you look at their most recently reported monthly active users and the fact that they Say about 44% of those use the service every day you can estimate Twitter at about 140 million Daily active users now that's close enough that there could be some error here But the fact of the matter is no matter how you slice it snapchat is at least Being used as much every day as Twitter is which led us to wonder well first old man Merit wondered like is Twitter going the way of Yahoo and my parallels being Marissa Meyer was the hot shot CEO who came in with a vision for Yahoo But we never quite realized what that vision was and it never has quite turned Yahoo around Jack Dorsey who by the way sort of you know was the guy who came up with the idea for Twitter and helped found it with three other Folks was brought back as the hot shot CEO But we still don't know exactly what his vision of Twitter is and we're in the early days yet of his retaking over from Dick Costolo, but is Is he going to be able to you know the clock is ticking to turn Twitter around people are starting to wonder that and then Justin You came up with an even better question Well, how does snapchat? So let's say that we are right now at a crossroad. So you won't be one And Twitter is going one way and snapchat is going the other way How does snapchat look at Twitter and say how are we how should we be less like them and more Like we mentioned before they constantly evolving Facebook, which although preceded Twitter at least in its its prominence Was thought to be the more The stagnate a bull platform, right? Well, it's Friendster then it's my space then it's Facebook people get tired of that move on to something else Yeah, and this is as soon as your parents get on Facebook. It's over. No one's gonna want to be there yet All these trend reports of all the kids are doing other stuff What did Facebook do Facebook consistently of all their platform and they and they went on a spending spree that at the time Was laughable right of how much are you spending for Instagram the the iOS only Instagram turns out that's panned out tremendously Well, they've been very very smart in terms of their chat purchases and where VR goes remains to be seen but considering the fact That Oculus is now even rumored to possibly be Microsoft solution for Xbox in terms of their VR Stuff that seems to be a very very smart investment As well Twitter on the other hand We were talking about this, you know in in the slack and in discussing this has effectively been the same platform since 2010 And I love that platform. I check it probably over 30 times a day. I live on Twitter however It's not really all that different like I'm it's just my favorite bar I love to go to that bar, but it's not like they've put in anything new It's not like that that that clientele is just gonna be that clientele forever And people are starting to get annoyed by the leaky faucet in the bathroom I ease some of their the fact that there's not an edit button the fact that they're their harassment policies are Leaving something to be desired Yeah, I I think Twitter has done lots of tweaks and added lots of features don't get us wrong But since 2010 what you use Twitter for has not changed a whole lot and Jack Dorsey Even said at the code conference. I think snapchats very modern It's recognizing that we're going to press buttons less and gestures more he described Twitter as confusing He said when you do something in Twitter something unexpected happens Rather than with snapchat where you're like what happens is exactly what you would expect I Looked at this and I surmised that what happened with Twitter was they didn't know what it was for When when Jack Dorsey came up with the idea It was using SMS to communicate with a small group and they and all four of them figured out how to do that And then they found out oh well people people are using it They're using these at symbols and and conconversing with with people who they don't follow. Well, that's interesting Let's let's lean into that and they they did a very smart thing Which is grow with what the audience wants it to be but at the same time They weren't able to then give the audience things that maybe the audience didn't know at what at least not yet Facebook has done that often Facebook does that ham handedly and gets everyone a upset. I a chronological timeline I hate that idea and then after using it for a little while people go Well, it's actually pretty nice to only see the things I care about I guess you're doing it Well, so I'm not gonna get upset and Facebook is backtracked on a few things when they overstep their bounds But they keep adding things and taking things that people were using other places for photos Groups all of those things have brought new users into Facebook that we're using other services Twitter remains Just a place to have a conversation and very much news oriented In fact, I found this quote from Evan Williams in 2013 to ink with Twitter. It wasn't clear what it was Twitter actually changed from what we thought it was in the beginning Which we described as status updates and a social utility it is that a part But the insight we eventually came to was Twitter was really more of an information network than it is a social network and that's what everyone criticizes it for it's like it's just an information network and Right now. It's almost entering in to a rough waters for having been that you know last Monday I Was very very excited because my my favorite hockey team the Pittsburgh Penguins were playing game one against the San Jose sharks I follow a few people that like hockey I also follow far more people that are either local to my Bay Area or Interested in game seven of the Warriors versus Thunder game So they were filling my timeline with a bunch of a bunch of basketball tweets meanwhile I follow a lot of wrestling people they were talking about Monday night raw now I wanted to watch raw later I wanted to keep up with the game seven of the basketball game while I was in While I was in commercials for it for the hockey game, but in my Twitter timeline It was just one jumbled mess. I was getting information that I didn't want meanwhile on Snapchat and again, this is live Twitter's entire Like reason for living right now is live the information network that is easy to update to But I don't want to clog my feed with a bunch of hockey tweets that nobody's gonna care about So where did I go? Snapchat snapchat is there for over sharing It's there for because it's a you select me to see my story So you know what you're doing and you're making a affirmative Step towards seeing me and then if you realize that if I say at the beginning Hey, I'm gonna be watching the hockey game So what you're gonna see from here on out is me watching the hockey game pop up up up up up You get all Morse code on on all my stuff to see whether or not I talk about anything afterward It's it is kind of at least for me and and I'm a power user for Twitter Kind of eating Twitter's lunch for life and that's a fascinating step. Well and and bringing back that historical context Granted snapchat has changed right when it launched. It was disappearing photos, right? Your whole idea is we you know, I'm just gonna snap something that won't stick around But they have kept to that gestalt when Evan Spiegel made the first blog post for snapchat May 9th 2012 less than a year after they launched see he see he wrote Snapchat isn't about capturing the traditional Kodak moment It's about communicating with the full range of human emotion not just what appears to be pretty or perfect Spiegel tapped in to what was a frustration at that point is I have to look perfect on Instagram I have to write the perfect post on Facebook because it's gonna be there forever If I have that photo of me drunk that's gonna cause a problem with my interview later Which Spiegel said that was one of the things that gave us the idea for snapchat is like how you know being it having to Scrub your Facebook feed before you go in for an interview. He's like, couldn't we have a place where we share? We don't have to worry about it sticking around and that Gestalt has stayed even with my story which sticks around for 24 hours only sticks around for 24 hours They're live stories only stick around for a limited amount of time You're not clogging it up with like going and looking at the archives It is stuck to that like hey what allows us to capture what's happening now and not go back and look at what happened years ago Now let me ask you what if Twitter in its infancy as everybody was very very excited Created a network for a lot of really amazing apps the best apps for Accessing your Twitter feed were very very rarely the official Twitter one. Mm-hmm. They then Restricted access to their API. They bought a lot of these apps They folded a lot of the developers into Twitter proper with the idea of pushing Exactly they want as many people on the official Twitter app as possible What I feel that that's done although I don't you know did dispute the reasons why they did it One of the things that was really exciting in the early days of Twitter was that for every different app You had these other little different ideas. I remember in early and I can't remember the app specifically But early on there was this idea of like okay, here's your timeline and then swipe right and you have Just your local tweets now back then nobody was on Twitter So in my in Margate, Florida, it was like me and three other people none of which were saying anything interesting So it kind of died on the vine and yet Snapchat makes National news with these little mini live stories One of which was at I believe the University of Wisconsin at Madison Campus where a girl saw a guy across the library or no saw him on Snapchat said, oh my god I love you. Please find me and then there was this little You know Snapchat romance where people were like rooting for them and uploading stuff to their to their feed or to that one live event They say oh my god, man, you got to go get with her and then it ended with them meeting in a bar It was very DLS right but that's Snapchat evolving to say hey look people want to have this kind of interaction and Location base communication has been such a hit or miss thing that it doesn't didn't work in Twitter in that early instance, it's had minimal success between Yikyak and next door and stuff like that, but Snapchat's done well with it They've they've done well pushing things forward and saying all right if we're gonna be a social network How are we going to be a social network and how do how do our people want to interact with it? And I feel like there is a more of a give-and-take between Snapchat and its users right now Then Twitter and its users now granted Twitter although now probably not bigger right but Twitter has had this You know we'll get to an edit button when we can you know working with SMS is hard Yeah, you know listen harassment kind of a problem Don't worry though eventually we'll get to it and I think that there has been There there is a missed opportunity there and now the numbers are starting to bear that out. Yeah, it's not jet Yeah, you're right those those Twitter pieces You know, they don't just leave them open for everybody and we also Know that Twitter is available for anybody to post to anybody else whereas Snapchat It can have your story and somebody can follow it or you can just directly message people which Twitter is Kind of stayed away from direct messaging is just now getting back to saying Oh, maybe this is something people want is not to have to talk in public if you're talking on Twitter So I think I don't know I I don't know exactly Where to put my finger on it, but there's something to the fact that Twitter never found What its purpose was Directly or or leaned into it enough to be able to lead its users and say I think we know what we do what you'd like next Facebook stumbled around a lot with that They made some miscues some big miscues around privacy in the early days, but they adapted and snapchat seems to have been preternaturally Good at knowing what people would want like lenses that let you swap a face all that stuff sound Ridiculous until they hit and everybody's using them and loving them Well, and and it answered the age old question with snapchat What the hell do I put on snapchat right and and Twitter faced that as well where initially, you know even Tech savvy people were like, you know all the joke was like, oh, yeah You're just gonna tweet in the bathroom and stuff like that or it's like now Of course, we tweet about everything. We know what we tweet about we tweet about life We tweet about the game we tweet about all this other stuff snapchat, you know those lenses just gave a reason to go back there Every every every single day, you know, I mean it feels like snapchat is has a more solid leadership, but it this conversation is fascinating to me because It's showing that we now kind of can understand a little bit of that fossil strata of Tech companies right and yeah now know. Oh Okay, so these are the moves of a company that Probably isn't let all that well And this is the the moves of a company that really are led very well And this is where we separate the Jack Dorsey's from the Mark Zuckerbergs and we see where spiegel lands within them because there is just there seems to be a light at the head of Facebook and snapchat that right now. I think we're gonna have a hard time finding where it is for Twitter Yeah, I think I think Twitter is about public conversations The public part of it has caused problems They haven't solved and they haven't quite got a handle on how to manage those conversations So they're a little bit better with that and they've come up with some some interesting ways to approach that And they're still moving forward. I mean they just announced today. They're gonna have their first 360 video It'll be an advertisement in partnership with Samsung with the NBA finals today But it's not like they're sitting still they are still trying things and and maybe that's gonna be the saving grace with Dorsey Is that he's willing to continue to try stuff and and if he's better about picking what stuff to keep and how to reorganize it? Then I don't think Twitter has anything to worry about because they have a large and active user base that enjoys using their service They just they just need to keep it going to learn how to foster that momentum. I mean listen all I'll say I'm going down with the ship, baby I will be on Twitter until the day that they're gonna have to force me out if this is my favorite bar I'm gonna be there till past last call there They're there and I was called you the dido of Twitter going down with that ship. I listen there will be no white flag upon my Our pick of the day comes from Victor who writes after the numerous comments regarding handling notifications and communications off hours I want to throw in my pick for Google voice. Here's my use case At work they have tried to push a company phone on me several times My solution was to give them my Google voice number and put all my work Contacts into one group in contacts that group brings my cell and work phones This also gives me the ability to set up a special work greeting Then I put my cell phone number in my signature line until everyone if they really need to contact me They can call or text me another advantage is that when people leave messages I get to read Google's voice to text of the voicemail which is always entertaining as an aside Google voice also allows me to prank folks By setting up a special voicemail greeting just for that single person so that when my sister calls the greeting is oh, hey, sis How's it going sis sis? I can't hear you. Oh, that's right. You got my voicemail. Just leave a message sis, and I'll get back to you Victor you might be an intolerable person, but I love you. I'm very excited that you wrote in Send your pics to us folks feedback at Daily Tech news show dot com you can find more pics at Daily Tech news show dot com slash pics couple of messages before out of here mink from the Diamond Club says I love the conversation with you and Scott poop jokes and Brian Johnson about talking to devices But I found it interesting that you two were focusing on needing to word things correctly or Enunciate every syllable. I feel those are mostly solved at least by the I don't notice me doing a metric rather I always trip up on not being able to pause and think about where I am in the command for half a second without Google Assuming I'm done and trying to work with 30% of what I intended to say Do you run into that when you're talking to a voice assistant where you like you pause for a second to think and it's like Okay, I'm I'm searching for always always. Yeah, you know, and that's that's I Don't know whether or not there is more to learn about people like you know These these voice assistants being better about learning your speech gate, right and knowing that every once in a while I pause and that's something that I want as opposed to it just going slower than it could otherwise There's still a lot to be learned there I think Alexa is probably the best at understanding when you're done talking But they have the advantage of just being always on so you're able to kind of get a sense of the room audio more so than then Siri or something or Google or okay Google. So Yeah, no, this is this is a real problem. I do hope that they get better at it Then John who's our boss from the Montana office has a message for you Jeff Bezos Jeff We know you're not listening, but maybe someone can pass this along to Jeff Bezos He says Bezos statements about not wanting to sell platforms that can't support prime video on acceptable business terms I have this to say they still sell iPhones and still have a very nice video app on iOS And I'm with Scott Johnson on this I don't care if I have to use a browser to order stuff. I just want it on my Apple TV as a result I've just stopped buying video from Amazon at all. I Want you to go to your window open it? Make your hat out and you know man Listen Apple this is the the unstoppable force meeting the immovable object when it comes to Amazon and Apple Apple says listen We will not budge on holding the line on getting paid out of our apps This is why we made the App Store. This is why we buy Advertising for it. This is why we highlight apps in every single one of our hardware demonstrations This is what you're buying and by the way Amazon You should know because you charge a fee when people sell things on Amazon and use your warehouses and stuff like that Meanwhile Jeff Bezos says yeah, I know that you do this But we don't charge as much as you charge and also at Amazon We have very very very very strict math on exactly how much we are going to spend based on what we have spent on it and that holds throughout all of our partnerships including you and Forever they will shake their fists at each other from Seattle to Cupertino And we will all be dead and gone before Prime Video shows up on Apple TV I hate I hate to say you're probably right though and and I've noticed Services like voodoo which is owned by Walmart have not showed up on Apple TV Sling TV has not showed up on Apple TV I think Apple's insistence that they want 30% of every transaction that happens in an app Is keeping more things off Apple TV than it did off iOS Because on iOS it's easy to say I just go to your browser and you can do it on Apple TV You can't go to the bra. There's no browser to go to you have to go to another device Which is a bigger impediment for people I think Apple needs to loosen up on this and say look if someone subscribes to Sling TV in the app Maybe maybe take a smaller amount. Maybe don't take anything at all because it makes people buy Apple TVs I don't think that's their model their model is Amazon, you know Their model is build build the space and then their model is inflexible their model is it's 30% And as long as it's 30% for everybody that we don't have to worry about it. Yes, but that's why right because now I get it. They can't say hey you small guy. Yeah, you're barely doing anything Whatever you're happy to be here 30% for you and then the gigantic high-volume people They're like no, no, no we get we can knock that down now I think they could make a blanket difference for subscriptions though because taking 30% of a one-time purchase is much different than 30% every month But that's a lot of money There we go, that's a lot of money Yes, well, you're probably right that's it for this episode of the Daily Tech News Show Thank You Justin Robert Young what you've been up to what you got to tell folks about Hey, look, this is a very silly time in our nation's history We're trying to elect a president and we got the big California primaries coming up next Tuesday How about you go ahead and get in the mood? 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Hope you have enjoyed this bro Boom That was a very Discussion that was a what very informative discussion. I was thinking it See what amazing titles are what amazing titles are waiting to be locked up through that with with nary a Collid reference so I mean the top in the pre-show The top one is I'm a bikey man from a bikey gang riding an uber bike on a rack Well done. Darker Deemer. Well done Oh snap we overtook Twitter. Ah Interesting kind of like that one Twitter not so snappy now Uber drives a line in the sand Yeah, who can't keep FBI secrets Give my give my regards to Kampala Twitter makes a snapchat judgment. Mm-hmm You see three levels of Apple news Surprised Twitter's not ephemeral enough Amazon versus Apple dawn of the store wars Oh wait that one just disappeared snapchat versus Twitter dawn of social is another Spill oh, I missed it Everyone's voting. So it's popping all over the place. No getting in there Uber hold your bike I Do you like the Amazon versus Apple dawn the stores just because it's funny Also like Twitter not so snappy now Or oh snap we overtook Twitter, which is yeah, that's my favorite right there Oh snap we overtook Twitter I'm waiting for you know, you know Service or a product has taken on a more popular or pop culture level of Awareness when it has its own line of food or clothing Like like video games like Nintendo has like Nintendo candy even though it's just licensed characters Mm-hmm Nintendos here if they had like Yes, oh, I just wanted to get Twitter apparel or snapchat apparel All right, I think I'm gonna go with oh snap we overtook Twitter How'd you guess because you liked it and that was the one thing you mentioned verbally Where we get that echo from that's weird. Oh wait, that's for me. I'm sorry. Oh, it is. Okay Yeah, sorry This there how's that better? Hello. Yes, but well, I still hear it a little bit. Okay. It's not wait a minute Gosh turn it. Why did not take? All right, hold on start talking. All right, I'll start talking Justin yeah, hey, so Gawker media just put out this thing that was like hey Here's what Gawker media does like posting not only all of their Well done posts and long-form stuff but also The reaction to it Reaction, what does that mean like other people posting about it, right? Okay other sources the the kind of rabbit hole of it But you know They're not gonna Nobody wants to side with the media ever right like not anymore. No Well, the media being a beloved defender of the people ended in the 20s Yeah, if it ever existed at all, right? Yeah, probably in 1920s black and white movies. Yeah Yeah, and with hers People can enjoy the work of the media, right? I think people often do that But nobody wants to hear from the media. Oh woe is us poor us Right, right. It's never going to work It's like it's the whole Marshawn Lynch thing where like, you know, he didn't answer media questions And then the media was like, oh my god, can you believe this guy making it a real hard time for people to do that? And it's like Nobody cares people like Marshawn Lynch more than they like you like people like Hulk Hogan more than they like Gawker People like PayPal more than they like Gawker, right? Like that's just always going to be the case and if you want to win this argument based on hey, look at all the good We do Then number one you of all people of all outlets, right? To be playing the hey don't take our worst possible public moment and hold it against us Gawkers not that place, right? Because whenever they write about a celebrity. What picture do they show? Oh, yeah Worst public moment like whenever they write about a company. What do they show them at their worst public moment? And I know hashtag not all Gawkers, right? Like it's that there's sure life hacker exists and there's other stuff But like I don't I'm fantastic love I don't it's great stuff and listen Let me just say this Gawker was back when it was a New York blog It was one of my first absolute daily must-reads as a blog will each a deadspin made me want to be a blogger and And made me want to write every single day in in short form format Walker media has been tremendously influential for me as a person however Even with that being said they ain't gonna win this fight Is moto it's not I09 it's not life hacker. It's Gawker Right and that is not a Gawker, which is the most salacious Yeah, and here's the the roughest part about this is that how much do you think? Nick that Nick Denton actually hates AJ DeLorio and the and Owen Nolan who ran Valley Wagon? Because he's fired both of them Right like and he and in every possible interview that he has about this He makes sure to say yeah, we cross the line and we've tightened up like If I were Nick Denton, I would I would be screaming to say Listen, they're assholes and we fired them because we want to be better Yeah, I think it's fine for them to post like here quality things we do. I think that's a fair response But yeah, you're right. Nobody's gonna pity them. No and and like to say hey look look at all the cool stuff We've done. Yeah, like You know if that's what like, I don't know it kind of gets into that Chris Rock thing like you my kids You're supposed to Like I do investigative journalism like here all the investigative journalism stuff. We've done you're supposed to Well, you know, what's interesting is that? They should have seen it coming as a media large media outlet I mean they trade on people's reactions to the stories that they they pedal and so I Don't think you I don't think it's like at a left field to kind of see how the public would have reacted Yeah Yeah, it's very very very frustrating because again We have not I think we've we've very intentionally Steered away from talking about the beat or teal thing on mostly not a tech story It's not it's it's it's only a tech story in the fact that there's a website involved not the website that covers technology And the co-founder of PayPal who happens to be on the board of directors for Facebook So there's a financial story in there. That's tech related But the main story is is a media story Which we even avoided when we had a card carrying member of the New York media elite and Steve Kovac on the show They carry a card really. Oh, they yeah, no they it comes with your Upper west side apartment. I see I see it. Well, that makes sense. Um, you know, it's it's a It's so frustrating because I think the Gawker should be found That they should have not and I think on appeal they will be found that they did not Uh, you know In the whole code case that I think that they should prevail in the whole code case I think that there is enough in in my stupid armchair understanding of Media libel law There is enough to say That he was a public figure he was had made himself a public figure specifically in the area of You know I mean there's it and here's the thing and this is again not a tech story No, but but it is a media story and and the thing that the public often gets Confused not confused that the thing the public re the way the public reacts to a media story is different than the way the law Should react to a media story. It's fine and perfectly understandable for people to react to the story and say wow Gawker is a real jerk. They shouldn't have done that, right? That's fine It's different to say what they did should be illegal. It's not illegal to be a jerk yeah and and I Think here's the other thing about the deal situation To what we know about this about this particular situation He is finding people that are currently suing Gawker He is not recruiting people to sue Gawker He is finding people with established cases and saying to them if you could not take a settlement But instead continue your suit. Would you yeah and say all good men Yeah, and saying well, here's money to continue your suit. Yeah, right again You can very rightly say that is a jerk move on his part to use his money that way But that but he should be able to do it for somebody who wants to cure death. It is very small of him Right, right for somebody with with a famous long view. It is very short-sighted Now the piece a few people in the chat room are like wait I thought it was a privacy issue not a liable law issue, etc That and that's what the courts should decide what you know did did Gawker cross the line Did they did they break laws? Did they steal things? etc You know that that's what the the the case should turn on not whether it was it was hurt feelings or or being an asshole Well, I mean yeah, no the the issue is on privacy But the the material damages are based on the fact that he has had his career ruined Right. Yeah Like that's why that's there and and whether or not it was done maliciously and also Well, I mean just I mean God you can't I mean like Nick didn't has to hate AJ DeLorio by the way I think it should be ring his neck very clear at this point that I have followed this case Almost not at all. Yeah, so when I say about the privacy and the libel I'm speaking in general about court cases and people in the chat room like yeah, but this case is about I don't know I'm not following it not a tech story Yeah, I really can't have an opinion about who's right in the case because I haven't read into it that far I am following it mostly as a wrestling fan and again Except and again, I will make clear that the only think piece that should That that the only think piece that that should be written is whether or not Hogan should have cleanly jobbed out to staying at starcade 97 And if you're that was not include that then you are derelict in your duty Chat now I sometimes keep the chat up and it's like a lot of times Chat for me is a distraction and I feel like we've lately been in a very good rhythm Tom and I on on The show and and I I very often Morning stream listeners know that you know, it's almost comical to watch me kind of like zone out at times I can I zone out very very easily so that's why sometimes I had to chat on sometimes I have the chat off So I'm sorry. I was not trying to neglect anybody in the chat. Yeah, I don't think they felt neglected either All right Well friends Romans countrymen We're done here. All right. I love you guys you too Hogan should a job clean at starcade 97 hashtag Hogan should a job clean