 We're gonna talk about these comments we're getting They were crazy crazy stuff like the last thing oh dude the last one there's somebody in there We work for Soros. We're anti-trump. We work for Soros Go look up the Bilderbergs. I'm like, yeah, okay good And the funny part is two or three lines down with there They think we're Trump's biggest supporter around his payroll, so we're doing a good job of being unbiased. I think Yeah Yeah, I think we should bring that up and in Yeah, we should today and say, you know, yep Well, I'll say I'll say our usual thing, you know, hey, it's you know, it comes to see him Didn't Greg I'll say you guys think and you guys got anything to say and then let's just get that in discussion Hey guys, we we as a matter of fact we avoid things that we know we're consciously really biased up. All right, here we go I'm scott rouse of a body language expert and analyst that train law enforcement in the military In interrogation by language. I'm also a keynote speaker and a trial consultant And Greg and I have a course called body language tactics.com. If you want to learn a little bit more about body language mark I'm Mark Bowden. I'm an expert in human behavior and body language I help people all over the world stand out win trust and gain credibility Every time they communicate including some of the leaders of the g7 Chase Hey, I'm chase Hughes. I am a body language expert And behavioral expert I teach influence and persuasion to 20 years in the u.s. Military and wrote the number one best-selling book on behavior profiling and influence the ellipsis manual Greg I'm Greg Hartley. I'm a former army interrogator interrogation instructor resistance to interrogation instructor I've written a few books on body language and behavior I have a bus a business book called the most dangerous business book you'll ever read and the really My best book a book called how to spot a liar. I mostly spend my time today in corporate american wall street Excellent well today, we're going to be talking about is joe biden and we've been uh baselining some politicians President trump is when we did last time and this time we're going to do joe biden It's from an interview you did in 2016 with gloria I can't remember her last name. What was it uh, borgger Borgger gloria borgger And so we're just going to take a look at his body language and talk about what he looks like when there's nothing Heated happening nothing big going on and as we go through this it's important to remember That we're not politically we're not on one side of the other side. None of us are We're apolitical when we do this we call them like we see them if we see something that that looks like Uh deception will say oh this looks deceptive here here and here and here's why We see something looks truthful. We'll say this looks truthful here here and here and here's why So that's what we're doing. So and don't don't think that we're for one person or for another person That's not what we do Greg you had something to say about that as well a couple things number one We're here to get a baseline and what we want you to have the ability to do is to read the person when they're talking They're a handful of things I want you to think about if you're coming to the four of us to ask for voting advice shame on you I mean we're good behavior experts and people experts. We're not politically aimless. It's not how we're wired We really go out of our way to be as unbiased as it's humanly possible So I want you to know that the other piece I had a good conversation with a friend today And he asked me can you tell whether they're lying or telling the truth about their Campaign promises they're moving for us. Nobody can tell that because it's a campaign promise Even if they have all the intent in the world of doing it the next thing you know things change because reality is not their dream They're not emperors no matter if some of them want to be or not They're not emperors. They can't get away with whatever they want. So we're not going to tell you who to vote for We don't want to try to influence that we want you to have the ability to watch people when they're talking And see the difference in their body language based on stimulus Mark do you have something No, not at all. Well, other than you know, we do see comments every now and again saying hey You're on the payroll of this organization or that person or this, you know international cabal Please could they send the money? Because I haven't seen any of it Yet if this isn't enough we'll stop I'll take mine in chick-fil-a cards or in starbucks gift cards So, yeah, no kidding. Yeah, that's the part that wigs me out. Everybody thinks we're on the payroll for something All right, so we got that part done. So what we'll do now is we'll go through and we'll look at that Four or five little clips of joe biden and we'll tell you what we're saying so it can help you baseline his behavior for the upcoming Uh debates with president trump. Here we go. Let me ask you this then uh Bernie sanders senator sanders says a history on this he he has in the past Voted uh to protect gun manufacturers from liability Is this a shot across the bow at bernie sanders? Well, bernie sanders has said that he thought the president's approach is a correct approach Bernie sanders said that he thinks there should be liability now Well, he said he's recon might reconsider his position. Okay, but he look um One of the purposes the president has and I have we want to affect the attitude of the nominees We've worked too hard the last seven years to uh Take the party to a place in the country the place we think it should be And so uh what uh what little influence I may have and he may have on Who the nominee is and what the nominee says we're not going to be ashamed So greg you want to go first? Sure, I don't have a whole lot on this when they're handful of things to watch for biden has a very specific thing Remember he's been in public life since 29 and this is the peak as far as he knows at that moment of his career He's been vice president for this is the end of it. This is a five-year-old video And he's engaging gloria his face. You'll see his brow rise when he's starting to make comments That doesn't mean he's lying. It means he's looking for that approval back or as ekman would call it fishing for resonance He's looking for resonance making sure he has connection with her. He breaks a smile That's patented for joe. I mean that is what he does as people call him uncle joe or whatever That smile is his engagement strategy. You see him moving his hand You'll also hear one of his anchor words that he uses constantly He is he says now look look isn't means nothing for him except for a filler word and he's using it But also watch his adapter. Remember what adapters are as a way to adapt to your environment Take control and you are rubbing or releasing nervous energy to be comfortable He has his hands together and he's adapting and so he has a barrier and an adapter and I refer to that as sacred space It's a way to take control of your space and then make yourself comfortable As you watch him talk to her you can hear his lilt as he's asking for approval It's asking as he goes to the end. This is not negative or positive. That's his normal He's been in public life a long time and he has lots of sub routines that he uses Chase So we see a good example here more his visual home is during some of these normal questions And he looks down into his right Most of the time and this goes back probably 25 years some of the videos that we've watched His visual home would be down in this direction look down this way We also see gloria doing two major major mistakes if you're interviewing somebody number one She's extremely permissive Number two, she's asking tons of leading questions that start with the word so So she'll sum it up and then Put a completely different idea in there and say so this Which is a horrible idea for an interview. Maybe ask somebody to clarify And we'll see some other mistakes. She makes I've never seen anyone interrupt Someone during an interview as much as she has during this interview, which is awful Uh, we also see a simple Uh, right-sided shoulder shrug when he says he is Sharing the same views with the current president who's uh, obama at the time And we see a lot of digital flexion at the end when he's saying we want to have influence over over the nominees So we see his hands squeeze up just a little bit So we're just getting a sense of what his baseline is. Maybe he does that all the time. Maybe he doesn't I'll give you the answer here. He actually doesn't do that very often. He does it when he's under a lot of stress We see those fingers squeeze in into the hand and he's also doing the adaptive gestures that uh, Greg talked to Scott well, here's what I got i'm and Take this for what it's worth. See what you guys think about it may sound crazy I think we're seeing the hallmarks of Of someone imitating an alpha I mean, he's being still he's doing all the things you're supposed to do Whether he's been coached to do that or not. I think he's old enough been in this a long time But I think having been around obama. Do you might see that thing real, you know, obama are talking with themselves obama comes in and just owns that room. He comes down sits down. It's like bang And I couldn't as we got to talk about that as well He sometimes because it was unbelievable how this cat just like laid into it and you were like, holy smokes, man He's totally in charge And I think I think that's what's happening here is bite and has seen that enough times where he's trying to to Imitate that nothing nothing. It's bad. I'm just saying that's what that's what we're seeing him trying to imitate Imitate the alpha and then I mean the thing to point out here when you're talking about an alpha is if there is an alpha in an organization Where there's a business an army special forces team But any any team the other people are going to emulate that body that body language because it's a behavior pattern That gets recognition and positive reinforcement And so of course I think it's important to say that because you can tell when people have been in a cloistered environment You can pick up the body language of the alpha on everyone around them. I think it's a good. Yeah, I've seen that That's why I'm saying I just can't I can't call him on it because I don't see the We're seeing the hallmarks of alpha behavior, but we're not seeing the alpha in there I don't know how to explain it, but that's that's why I think it's been imitated and chase I think when that half shred comes up He's repeating what he's heard obama say and he wants to be part of that like we're saying this which is fine That's what he's supposed to completely back him up. That's what right. That's what vp does And he's calm and guarded and And again, we see the hand Greg you covered his adapters there But he gives that confirmation smile when he when he starts talking during smiles were big that like you agree with me, right? That thing so that's kind of it's not manipulative But it's one of those things that that helps her stay quiet because she will not Stop it man. I mean, it's it's she's this close to being rude. I to me It's it's the one of the worst kinds of of interviews You see that one where it's all one person and they're all That you know that the one shot of just the person asking the question and then the person's already answering the question They kept back the person. We miss everything This is the other counter. They just won't let him answer the question He's right in the middle of some of these things that she butts right in Mark, what do you got? Yeah, so I would say in this interview the interviewer is trying to double bind him up get him in a bit of a position So in terms of looking at the baseline, we we do see these These adapters here and here which I would say a self soothing gestures. So we've got to decide Is this Normal behavior for him given that he's had a million and one interviews or is this pressure on him Let's just suggest. I think at this moment that it is Enough of an aggressive interview and it's going Already into places. He maybe doesn't want to go just before this. We saw his chin lift up to show a sense of Not really arrogance but being up for the fight We saw him push his tongue around a certain subject before this where he was putting a bind around it I think he doesn't he already doesn't like Where this is going I'll leave it there and one quick note on The alpha behavior and especially obama's alpha behavior As far as behavior goes just behavior He was one of the coolest nonverbal communicative presidents we've ever had and If there's one guy that's hard to outdo in that Arena is jerry Seinfeld And him and jerry get on a show together called comedians in cars getting coffee jerry drives the white house And you can still see it obama is still Owning the room so to speak and I think that joe has learned to emulate a lot of those behaviors over His his time in office with obama When I when I teach people body language of alphas. I always say alphas don't strut their competitors do And that's a obama is a perfect example of that that Just doing his thing and doesn't worry about what anyone else is doing. Okay before we go to the next clip Here's a funny one for you guys One of the things we constantly get and I thought we would weigh in on during this is are we reading each other constantly What do you guys say you know what I always say I'm too busy looking to see how stupid I look Yeah, I'm looking down the camera. I'm staring at myself most of the Stupid making sure my head's I I think like most I think like most of the comments we get I I can't stop looking to chase his eyes Get closer to the cameras. That's the hypnosis You know what bugs me god I think it's I think the the thing is about about The girls is I think he gets too much attention How much does that cost you man and can I work and I order one? I'm gonna sell this on ebay Is this a chase? What do you got on the back? No, it's just another picture of you so I can look at Okay, here we go Uh, as we all know you were thinking long and hard yourself Uh about running for the presidency and you decided it was a no-go And you've said you regret it every day. Yeah, tell me well in response to a question I I did say that look I made the absolute right decision for my family And I made what what what I regret is and I'm still going to be able to do it is I care deeply about these issues I've spent my whole adult life. I was 29 years old Working on foreign policy and domestic policy and I care deeply about it and so I regret to the extent I regret not having a louder voice on it But we're I'm the vice president of the United States for another year in office And we have an opportunity to get a lot more done. We've done a great deal not with standing the fiction on the other side We've done a great deal. We've taken this country from Chaos to recovery. We're on the verge of resurgence. We genuinely are better positioned than any nation in the world economically and politically and so there's so much we can do And the opportunities we have in life sciences and the opportunities we have in the Breakthroughs are gonna occur in the next four to six years are astounding. Let me ask All right chase what you got Uh, so we have another thing here that uh with eye movement that we're gonna see is personal story recall When he's thinking of an actual personal story that happened to him We see an upward head and eye movement together So skull eyes moving together and unison, which is great See another use of his tagline word of look when he starts to answer stuff, which I will say There is an app through google I don't know what it's called where you can look at the presence of words that start sentences Especially on media. This is a huge thing don lemon on cnn Sean Hannity on fox news They all started doing this within the last three or four years where they Want to sound like they're making a really good point. So they'll start it with look And then they'll start talking but he is a visual speaker even though he's using the word look He still is a visual guy and that does speak to his visual nature one thing We see a little Freudian slip here Instead of the word friction on the other side. He says the word fiction On the other side And we see him using his left hand to gesture towards The republican party or the other side when he's saying fiction on the other side And right after that we see his right hand move when he's saying we've taken this country from chaos to recovery And then he's going with his right hand using that right hand again We're going to see this many times throughout this interview anything negative is going to be over here with his left hand And again This interviewer I don't think biden gets to complete any of his answers here. He's getting interrupted He doesn't even get halfway through any of his answers before she goes, okay But and then just just starts talking at him and just asking a whole new question Which I think is a horrible technique here and like scott says just borderline rude if not Fully rude Mark, what do you get? Yeah, so here's what I think he starts to do in order to control that interviewer is when he gets onto a set piece He goes symmetrical. He does what we might call squeezing the melon So he kind of holds this kind of ball or melon. I love I love that description Yeah Squeezing that melon and that's a way to create what I would call a moderator which says I've got the ball now I've got the melon. I'm holding this big heavy object here. You aren't going to interrupt me however She does interrupt and then he goes back To this self soothing mechanism that he's got going on which is why I might say I think this is a baseline for him around Self soothing but it is a baseline around their stress In this conversation. So in debates, for example, I would be looking out For this to start happening because I'd be thinking now. Maybe he's under a little bit of stress and concern Around this squeezing the melon that's training. That's that somebody has said to him, you know what? Open palm gestures Get them symmetrical Because that's going to be calm and assertive and it will hold the conversation So so what's interesting here for me is a baseline is though. He's had training at this point He's not very good at holding on to it I would say under stress and pressure and he's going back to those self soothing adapters under stress and pressure That's a bit of a red flag for me in terms of how do I think he's going to perform under stress and pressure of debates There's my take on it Okay, great. What do you got? Yeah, so a couple of things. I I really think he meant fiction in this case chase because I think he's saying they made this up You know, there's a lot of attacks from the left. That's what I mean from the right That's what I think he's actually saying He does what I call sacred space the thing you're talking about milling his hands Often when he hits emotion what you're calling home here I think is home only in this interview because I've watched some other interviews with him and the home here That's emotion I of all the eye movement stuff that people will tell you and they'll try to give you absolutes The only one I ever think is very solid is when you feel emotion. You look down into your right. That's humans That's just how we're wired and some of these topics are very emotional for him as he gets into the conversation She's also talked to him about bow a little bit in this conversation I believe so you've moved him into the emotional But when he gets emotional he does close his hands and he does mill and he does relax When he's on message to your point mark where you call it compressing or holding the melon squeezing the melon where they call it that or accordion or whatever he's doing. Yeah Well, Trump is more the accordion. Yeah, Trump is the accordion because he's playing the polka while he's down What I've coined is monkey symbols. Oh, yeah, that's even better monkey symbols So but he what he's doing is this is a guy who has been on message his whole life You know, he's had to be in front of people people asking me who lies the most I say politicians They have to keep enough people happy the right people happy to keep them in office so they have to be able to Nuance the truth when they're talking not saying he's lying not at all I'm saying when he's on message his hands his body his face His words are all working together and if you look it's a congruent message And the other thing he's doing is I call it I usually call it a plaintiff whale or the or the biden wine When he gets to where he's trying to convince you when he's frustrated He gets more whiny in his voice and it's an approach he takes as he's drawing you in to listen to him He's changing the tone of his voice Overall, I think he's all together Illustrating and effectively with his hands when he's doing that the melon or the accordion or the whatever you want to call it And he's effectively delivering a message. She cuts him off. Anyway back to emotion closes puts his hands together That's what I have Scott what you got I'm seeing him. This is he's slowly getting geared up So because he's starting to come forward a little bit his gestures are getting a little bit bigger His illustrators are getting get larger and again his his voice is changing greg. I'll go with you on that as well So he's beginning to change and get more as and I think he's getting frustrated with her talking to him the way She is because she's loud and he's he's right there I know she's got to be loud because it's tv and all that but at the same time I think she's starting to get on his nerves a little bit because she's interrupted him He's trying to finish that but you but you know what this shows what a good listener He is because she starts and he's clicked And just it waits like and that's another thing about alphas like that's he's doing the same thing You know, that's alpha behavior as soon as they start You're just waiting dead. I mean he's doing that So yeah, he's he's great at this. I think he's really good at it staying calm Even though he's feeling I think a lot of the motion we're seeing is coming from him being frustrated I think that's when you hear the voice Wow, you know starting to change when he gets frustrated you hear it in every interview where he gets frustrated. Yeah Uh, as we all know you were thinking long and hard yourself Uh about running for the presidency and you decided it was a no-go And you've said you regret it every day. Yeah, tell me well in response to a question I I did say that look I made the absolute right decision for my family But do you agree and I may well what what I regret is and I'm still going to be able to do it is I care deeply about these issues I've spent my whole adult life. I was 29 years old Working on foreign policy and domestic policy and I care deeply about it and so I regret to the extent I regret not having a louder voice on it But we're I'm the vice president of the United States for another year in office And we have an opportunity to get a lot more done We've done a great deal notwithstanding the fiction on the other side. We've done a great deal We've taken this country from chaos to recovery. We're on the verge of resurgence We genuinely are better positioned than any nation in the world economically and politically and so there's so much we can do And the opportunities we have in life sciences and the opportunities we have in the Breakthroughs that are going to occur in the next four to six years are astounding. Let me ask Okay, we're good Let me ask you about the race. Yeah, that you're not in And now we see that Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton are actually running neck and neck In Iowa and in New Hampshire Why do you think Hillary Clinton is struggling? Well, first of all, I I've been of the view and I don't know that you and I talked about it I I don't want to say that for certain but we may have I thought for the last six months there were neck and neck in both places I never bought the idea that there was somehow that Remember and he was up by 15 points in New Hampshire and he was down by 15 points That's not that's not the way this process works as you and I both know I'm much older than you but you've covered a lot of this and And so I'm not surprised that it is viewed as neck and neck But I'm also Will be surprised if if the plunders turn out to be right. They hardly ever are in Iowa, New Hampshire So I I'm not why is she so here's what I got out of this one when she starts and she says so You know the race here. Let's talk about the race then she says the race you're not in the first part makes him smile So that's a real smile. I believe that's a Duchenne smile the second part where he we see him force that extra smile because it's On his last nerve and sort of embarrassing for him I think because maybe he said he wanted to to wish he can he continued And we'll notice as when he Smiles the big smile that comes down to the other one when she starts talking about hillary and bernie Which gets that next subject. You'll see that smile go away way too quickly Now when having grown up with a blind person Although it tells you about my dad's bff doc watson I noticed a lot of times when he was really thought something was funny His smile would stay when we tell what I knew my joke would hit good because his smile would stay It would slowly go away when he was trying to be nice to someone nobody ever said to him Hey, man, you got to keep that smile going because because he would smile and then it'd be gone And it was it's odd behavior and that's what that reminded me of when I saw that because Which suggested to know what's indicates? he's he's See these other two his competition which they were and which he did and they were all talking about each other and all that so he had to be A man and not be bad mouthing him but be cool about it as he goes forward talking about him and i'm sure that's tough So I think that's why the smile went away because he's thinking in there Jesus here it comes now. I gotta say something without getting up You know without getting after him or saying something bad about him And again, he's staying very calm during all this. So I thought that was really cool. Greg. What do you got? Yeah, I don't have a whole lot on this one when he when he starts to look If you'll notice when he usually does the smile that he uses to control something It's the other side of his face where it starts in this case it starts on the right and then spreads across his face So I think you're right There's probably either a nervous or some kind of a natural smile that comes up and then he remembers Oh, yeah, hey because that's kind of his trademark because he's got strength in it The other thing he does is politician 101 Is he starts by shuffling and filling a lot of words that really have no meaning now look about about it I've said many times that's just filler So it gives him time to shuffle get ready to move to the next step And you can use that in your life Lots of great speakers have filler words if you consider last Tuesday to be an important day in your life Then well I'd say anything and they have filler words that have no Meaning the other thing he does that I think is artful is he almost calls Gloria Borgger old And then he suddenly realizes it and goes oh, I'm a lot older than you but you've been at this a while And I think he realizes and he's graceful in backing out If you want you'll also see the hand you'll see chase already brought it up He gestured positively was right negatively was left and you can see that working here But not a whole lot other than that pitch in the smile I think his patented smile starts on the left his genuine stuff starts on the right and he adjusts quickly And I think it's a little bit of a nervous smile and a little snarky when he does that Kind of weird look at her Chase where you got When she says the race that you're not in One thing in addition to that smile it kind of starts on the left side of his face is eye blocking We see a we see a rapid increase in blink rate to where he's not really making any eye contact That rapid increase in blink rate is not a stress Indicator as if it were going up in response to a subject that is more of an eye blocking behavior than a stress Blink rate gradual increase from a stressful subject Right when Bernie Sanders and clinton are mentioned we see a hallmark classic digital flexion His his fingers in his lap you see everything kind of squeeze up and clinch up there Which is a great indicator and one of the things I always teach is I wish I could cite the source But it's not me But the further a body part is from the head the harder it is to control during anxiety Desmond morris that's Desmond morris Desmond morris. Thank you And we see more ght up by 15 points He's using his right hand punch and he's just left And he does something which we call which I call digital extension Where his where his fingers come out? But they come out all the way into this gesture as he's doing this to the interviewer Which is what I refer to as a stop gesture So if you're trying to talk anyone out of doing something even if your hands are down at your side Your fingers will extend as you're trying to talk someone out of something So he's saying like Don't attack me because I I made this mistake. I'm going to fix it real quick and he can get some more time And right afterwards we see his little hygienic gesture. He does the stop He's a Adjusting his tie and when I say hygienic gesture just any behavior designed to improve physical appearance Adjusting your clothing picking lint off the clothes licking your lips adjusting your hair and that kind of stuff And it follows with my contact avoidance, which I think is Unusual for that situation Even when he's talking he doesn't look at her. He waits a few minutes to look back at the alpha in the room So to speak this interviewer And yet again, biden gets interrupted. Holy moly His expression a facial expression disappears And it shows us this could be false true facial expressions This is the work of uh, dr. paul ekman True facial expressions will fade off of the face and false ones will usually disappear just like scott was saying And Finally when she interrupts his hands are up here He's he's speaking confidently and she interrupts him And right when he gets interrupted his hands fall to his lap and surrender. They just dropped They dropped into his lap because he's getting interrupted again. This is a Very bad interview Interviewer I will say you guys are winning. No friends at cnn All right mark, what do you got? Yeah, so here's what I think is the is the premise of the question Is why is hillary clinton struggling? So what he's trying to do is avoid Answering that premise that there's a struggle involved. That's what he's trying to stay away from I believe what we see there Is is not just a as you say chase. There are hygienic gesture. He goes or as I'd say hygienic gesture But he goes into Both of us So first of all, he avoids that whole premise by saying I discount The premise due to the media not really having the right figures. He then says look, I've been around a long time You're very experienced. So he tries to level them out at that point Then I believe he goes here for the tie and does a little pull down or a dust down Because that's a signal of status to go. I'm I now own this and I think chase We've seen that before with his jacket That he that he does so so I'm kind of I'm gonna baseline from this that when he wants to show us He's in charge He's gonna go for a roundabout the sternum belly area and do some kind of adaption There possibly I'd probably like to see a bit more data to prove that assumption of mine But but I'm I'm hedging my bets on that that it's his way of going. I am in charge Um, I mean one of the things about the tie is that we maybe don't understand now is that ties Are made from one piece one piece of Italian silk And therefore they're super expensive to make and one of the reasons people Traditionally went for the tie is to go look how expensive I am look at all the authority the power I must have let me flaunt my tie in front of you and now it's it's shown into I mean often we see people Display the insides of their jack that is the inside of my jacket actually is Italian silk So it's to display, you know, look at the power that I have this will have cost me a lot of money You should pay some attention to me because I think he is under stress Here and he is being railroaded somewhat by this interviewer Maybe we'll find out a little bit later what she's actually Trying to get him to talk about here. Let me ask you about the race. Yeah, that you're not in Uh, and now we see that Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton are actually running neck and neck In Iowa and in New Hampshire Why do you think Hillary Clinton is struggling? Well, first of all, I I've been of the view and I don't know that you and I talked about it I I don't want to say that for certain but we may have I thought for the last six months there were neck and neck in both places I never bought the idea that there was somehow That remember and he was up by 15 points in New Hampshire and he was down by 15 That's not that's not the way this process works as you and I both know I'm much older than you but you've covered a lot of this and uh, And so I'm not surprised that it is viewed as neck and neck But I'm also Will be surprised if if the plunders turn out to be right They hardly ever are on Iowa, New Hampshire. So I I'm I'm not why is she Okay, we're good I'm I'm not why is she struggling? I mean you I you say I mean we consider she was an overwhelming favorite and Well, I I think that's part of the reason. He's a democratic socialist Yeah, but if you I mean, you know if Bernie Sanders never said he was a democratic socialist Based on what he's saying people wouldn't be calling him a democratic socialist That's how he characterizes himself in sort of european terms the democratic socialist parties in in europe, but But why is she having trouble? Well, I I think that That bernie is speaking to a yearning That is deep and real And he has credibility on it and that is the absolute Enormous concentration of wealth and a small group of people with the middle class Now being able to be shown being left out there used to be a basic bargain If you contribute it to the profitability of enterprise, you got to share in the profit That's been broken productivities up Wages are starting. All right. Well at the top of this you can see when she says uh why she's struggling She gets to the part where she says he's a democratic socialist That's when we see The jet the chin jet and his chin go back a little bit of the tongue coming out because he's doing the On the inside of his bottom lip there and that suggests it denotes that he's not only not into it makes him a little bit angry So as it is he's coming he's coming forward with it and then uh, he begins preening You know like pulling on the side of his pants when you when you're You want to really get on someone's nerves and you and you're talking to him they're telling you something you start this That's that is such a big disrespect number I don't know if he's pulling on his pants as a disrespectful thing that he's trying to Keep it all in or if he's doing that again out of uh using it as an adapter So it's one of those things that i'm not really sure which but i'm sure it but i get the vibe It's it's it's more of a preening the issue there and then all these these um everything we're seeing all together in this situation all these Tight quick little things in that one spot Tell you that he's or denotes that he's uncomfortable Indicates he's uncomfortable and I think he's he's not fed up with her yet But I think she's on his last nerve Because she's just keeps Jumping in and and won't don't let him answer well and and then she'll he'll start to answer She'll jump back in and say something else. So i don't know if she's trying to to mess with her what's going on, but It's it's just the like che you said chase is the worst way Uh to do an interview. So what do you got greg Yeah, so here he starts to show why he is a career politician and been successful His regulators meaning how you control the conversation start to pick up now He has been sitting there and listening to her run over him. He starts using his hand. He points at her with his finger That's a control mechanism and he starts to put her on notice whether she consciously knows it or not He's put her on notice Then he kind of does kind of a snarky smile when I see the Anger around branding. I mean the anger around the the democratic socialist I think what he's really angry about scott is that bernie figured out how to brand himself in a way that gave him real credibility with people I think that's where the emotion is Because if you notice he kind of has a little crooked smile when he says only because he calls himself that if people associated him with that But his regulators start to be controlling you see him moving his face and Engaging her in a big way as brow is there. He even leans in close to her So he's allowing himself the opportunity to talk and I think there's a lot of regulator that comes out of here One quick thought, you know, he does a lot of this scott. We're I mean scott Chase, where have you seen that snatching your coat down? That's a very military thing Oh, yeah I want to demonstrate authority and you're around if you're around marine corps Army navy air force officers all the time and they're snapping their coat That's an authority thing and I think that's some of why he does it when he's getting on the ropes Or he's trying to control so I think you're seeing him broadcasting that he wants space Taking that space and starting to do this and saying look bernie Is not doing anything anybody else hasn't done when he starts to talk about bernie has found a space that nobody is talking to His eyes drift down to the right again back to that emotional space I think probably what what he's thinking there. This is me guessing Is hey, this guy's got a thing that we didn't figure out and he's got he's running with it. That's my opinion All right, so chase what you got I get to say it So Surprise he gets interrupted a few more times And there's discomfort with the topic. I think His pulling of the pants is less of a broadcast desired attempt to broadcast I think it is what scott said. I do think it is kind of a pacifier Or some kind of a what greg would call an adaptive And when he's saying the democratic socialist party, we see a huge increase in blink rate almost to the point of what some behavioral people would call an eye flutter Which may or may not classify as eye blocking behavior here He uses positive ght side to discuss the small populace of the rich She uses his right hand to discuss the rich. She doesn't kind of lean over and say there's this small populace You can still use the right hand, but if you're going to something negative you might lean over here That's your negative side See people do that all the time. This is not just debate profiling prep. This is not just biden baseline You can use this every day I think biden likes to lean in when he knows he's got a real good point He's excited that he has a very coherent message And this is just like when trump does this big nasal inhale when he goes Before he starts saying something he knows he's he's gonna win everybody over biden does the lean it and I think he's also doing that to prevent her from Interrupting him again. Well, she does again at the end of this And I think he leans in because he knows he's got a good point. He's reasserting his control over the conversation And he at the very end here we see him get uninterrupted once again Mark. Yeah. So here's where this has been leading Is that uh, you can't even beat That or or or she She can't even beat a democratic socialist Which you know, my assumption would be in in the u.s. You know, if you can't beat a democrat an old school European democratic socialist like what's what's going on here The interviewer here has got me in a real bind and this is where she's been leading. I believe all the way which is And and we see at the second Time she says she she goes. Why is she? So she does the stress on the s and then does three ease afterwards She's trying to tell him look what I want you to talk about here is is gender And character. So essentially she's lulling him. She's trying to bring him into which is really, you know Was trump's idea which is that woman? The problem is the woman and specifically That woman now he doesn't want to go anywhere near this And that's why I think he does that that that self soothing gesture on the trousers on his pants At the side because this is now a real problem for him Um And we do get that lean in and he comes right down the center of his wheel plane there So right down the center to go. I've really got my thoughts together on this I'm leaning in something we see more from trump These days that are consistent lean in all the time on the interviewer because at this point He's going to totally moderate this and control this Because it's it's out of hand. She's now pushed him into an area He doesn't want to go which is to throw his colleague Under the bust based on being female and a specific type of character Of female he's decided he's not going there. That's what I'd say about it. I'm not why is she struggling? I mean you I you say I mean we consider she was an overwhelming favorite and Well, I I think that's part of the reason. He's a democratic socialist Yeah, but if you I mean, you know if bernie sanders never said he was a democratic socialist Based on what he's saying people wouldn't be calling him a democratic socialist That's how he characterizes himself in sort of european terms the democratic socialist parties in in europe, but why is she Having trouble. Well, I I think that That bernie is speaking to a yearning That is deep and real And he has credibility on it and that is the absolute Enormous concentration of wealth and a small group of people with the middle class Now being able to be shown being left out there used to be a basic bargain If you contributed to the profitability of enterprise, you got to share in the profit That's been broken productivity is up wages are stagnant. All right, so is uh Is everybody good? Yeah Wages are stagnant talking about that as well It's but it's it's it's relatively new for hillary to talk about that hillary's focus has been on other things up to now and that's been bernie's No one questions bernie's authenticity on those issues and they question hers Well, I I think they question everybody's who hasn't been talking about it all along But I think she's come forward with some really Really thoughtful approaches to deal with the issue, but I just think and look You know everybody You know, it's the old thing no one Everybody wants to be the favorite. No one wants to be the prohibitive favorite And so it's an awful high bar for her to meet that she was the absolute prohibitive favorite I never thought she was a prohibitive favorite. I don't think she ever thought she was the prohibitive favorite Favorite, so I think it's I think it's you know, everything's sort of coming down to earth Just settling in but it's not over. So all right chase. What do you got? Let's pick on a couple things here when he says hillary's been focused on other things. He's moving that off to his left side And when he says she's been focused on His like how his character is incorruptible And how nobody can question him as he's saying she's been focused on she goes about We see biden do this And biden's saying nobody can question him. So he's saying hillary's been focused on other things But mainly, you know, there's a focus on and is pointing towards towards himself as he's saying That nobody can really question Which I thought was really interesting and at the end here. He's using look again to illustrate a point which may become a little bit repetitive and If the clip was not trimmed to this if you're watching this youtube video, guess what happens at the end after this clip biden gets interrupted again I'll leave it to scott. What do you got? Yeah, here we seem I think he's starting. This is where she's she's already on his last nerve She's there and he's starting to get fired up He's he's controlled is is what would be a little bit of anger because apparently because greg said that he knew this girl that uh Biden she and biden were were friends earlier something And then uh So maybe she's trying to maybe he's trying to hold his His anger or something or being frustrated in So I just I just see I just see this this finally come this finally come out I know y'all got different ones. Everybody wants to cover a different thing on this someone gonna hog it all But that's what i'm seeing. He's built up to this point where he's It's finally coming out a little bit. I think so that that's what we're seeing mark. What about you? Yeah, I think he's now using look as a way of changing direction. It's a good segue for him It's a good pivot a good fulcrum to to legitimately move to something else He puts up his hand and pushes away just as as chase noticed Before it's his way again of moderating and saying he says it I think on thoughtful approaches He he pushes Puts up his hand and pushes away I think he's now decided this has got to stop. I don't want any of this anymore I'm taking control of this and he's gonna start. I think now on to to try and shut this one down Greg give us what you got. Yeah, so chase not only does he do this When he says he's beyond reproach roughly whichever language he uses He's got a lot of requests for approval or brow or resonance fishing whatever you want to call that He's looking with a confirming glance, but his face is all wrenched up as if he's needs approval on that one He also when he's talking about about Hillary to your point. He's moving her away as he's talking The the the final piece to watch in his eye movement You talked about home for him home for him in the motion is down here But when you at least calling recalling something he's talking about he's over on the left side of his head Here he gets into a bind where he has to navigate what he's going to say about bernie and about her because who's the next president? He's not sure who's the next nominee. He's not sure and he's gonna have to eat those words probably You watch him go off to the right as he navigates the words It's not that's not a home spot for him over here as he's thinking about what to say next In general, I think his gestures his illustrators all of that are open. He's pushing He's leaning in he's trying to regulate the conversation. I think you're right He is past frustrated and gloria berger is you know, she's not the trump fan She's not the other people fan. She's just doing a job She may not do a job the way we would do it But she's certainly pushing hard topics and and pushing him into a corner and you can see some of that And he uses those patented canned things that look what I was surprised not to see is the big smile You would expect the big smile Yeah, that kind of goofy thing is he had his forehead involved But he didn't try to push her off with that use his hands He controlled the conversation with open speaking and I think you're starting to see a little bit of frustration here Wages are Talking about that as well. It's but it's it's it's relatively new for hillary to talk about that Hillary's focus has been on other things up to now and that's been bernie's No one questions bernie's authenticity on those issues and they question hers Well, I think they question everybody's who hasn't been talking about it all along But I think she's come forward with some really really thoughtful Approaches to deal with the issue But I just think and look You know everybody You know, it's the old thing no one Everybody wants to be the favorite. No one wants to be the prohibitive favorite And so it's an awful high bar for her to meet that she was the absolute prohibitive favorite I never thought she was a prohibitive favorite. I don't think she ever thought she was a prohibitive favorite Favorite, so I think it's I think it's you know, everything's sort of coming down to earth Just settling in but it's not over So so now we're going to throw it around the room and see what everybody thinks about what we've seen at this point And give our impressions of of in whole about what we've seen about joe biden's behavior Greg you want to go first? Sure Yeah, I think when you see biden on message his hands are illustrating what he's thinking his body is open His head is engaging. He's making eye contact. He's using regulators illustrators adapters all of that When you push him into a point where he's uncomfortable He closes his hands he starts to mill creates sacred space And he starts to then do that patent to joe smile the tafflon smile that pushes people off I think when you're watching the debates, you should expect his home to be recall recall recall And then when he gets into an emotional issue where they're pushing him on something he's uncomfortable with You'll see him look down into the right. None of that's deceptive. None of that is wrong That's simply him looking from a normal open speaking pattern that he's used for 50 years To when he's pressured into a place where he has to go back internally and start thinking of answers that he's not prepared You're going to see him scramble and you're going to hear him do the patented things He's going to regulate by controlling you with his head movement. He's going to push his hands forward He may mill to block and he's going to say look and flash that smile when he's feeling stress That's joe Uh mark, what do you got? Yeah, so here's what i'm going to be looking out for is I think we can say with a little more certainty now That these gestures this gesture here and this one here is self soothing He's got good training to stay open even if it is openness just of squeezing the melon There he's got some good training there, but he easily springs back to these emotional responses Here i'll be looking out for that if I were on his debate prep team and believe me if that happens I will let everybody know i'll let you know i'm taking a check or i'll bow out and go I can't be part of this at the moment i'm not but if I were I would be lobbying for Uh debates where they do not have a lectern or a podium whatever you want to call it Because if he's got somewhere to put his hands He's more likely to go here. So certainly when i'm training people I don't say hey don't do that What i'm trying to do is set up an environment where they're just less likely To go to the behaviors, which aren't going to play very well very hard to help human beings not to do stuff It's easier to put them in an environment where they don't do it So uh without a lectern or a podium. He's more likely to stay open and less likely to go into these repose gestures So certainly I would be now looking out for that as a signal of stress or not liking where the The debate is going. There's my piece on that. Uh chase. Give us what you got That's great. And if you're making a list of all these this is what you want to look for for biden's Entire baseline what to look for on the debate and all the stuff we're saying right now You could fit on to a note card And watch the debates with it. We could have a family game night during the debates who can spot what? I think that would be a great family game night. We do it at my house But here's what to look for First look for that eyebrow flash This is when he's needing approval either from the audience if he's looking at the audience and those eyebrows go up Or he's looking at the debate moderator and he wants a little bit more time Or he wants the debate moderator to stop the other person from talking Next look for that ght Is he gesturing over here to say one thing and over here to say another that's very important Because if he says I really like this person, but he's using his left hand That's noteworthy. That is a noteworthy thing that's taking place right there Next what we saw just in this video and almost every other video he's ever been in in the last 30 years digital flexion He's in trouble. The fingers go in Even if his hands are at his sides, you'll see the fingers what I call retreat towards the palm A little bit and if you want someone to stop talking You'll see the hands go all the way out into a stop gesture even if his hands are at his side So take a look at during the debates for that behavior and finally when does he adjust his clothes? And when do all these behaviors happen not just okay? I spotted someone doing something that's meaningless unless we understand This was being spoken about and then we saw this behavior in response And that is what's going to make you a champion debate profiler and I'll pass over to scott All right, great. So Well, since everybody's covered everything I'll just talk about His behavior when he's confident everything seems to be small when he's when he's talking about things But when he starts to be coming upset or he gets a little bit out of shape He's things start to get bigger. So I think when when as the stress builds as he's during the debate one thing to watch out for This is he'll be turning more toward that person. I think in his Illustrators and gestures will get larger as we see him as we see him go along So the larger watermelon is what your oh, yeah, the watermelon gets a little bigger giant pumpkin Yes, big pumpkin. So and he'll and and that's when he was really getting a bit out of shape That's when the his gestures and illustrators were coming forward So all of a sudden an attack mode like like sort of like what Greg was talking about earlier So that's that's I've got there on the end one So we go it up to that point Yeah Yeah, I'm just looking forward to the to the bingo card the lotto card I'm looking for the ebay thing. I don't know who's gonna get this. I don't know who's gonna get it Hey there mark here. Thanks for watching and watch more videos click and make sure you subscribe