 So Central C is actually signed to ADA, right? Now, their whole conversation, again, want to know, well, people kind of say he's independent, but he signed to something. Well, he's not signed to one or any major directly. ADA is a distributor up under Warner, though. Yeah. All right. And to me, this actually just speaks to the reality of music today. All right. Because the reality of music today is, yo, the distributors are record labels, but they're better positioned record labels. Right. They're better positioned because of the brand that you can put on it. Oh, artist, you get a better deal than you normally would. But it's also better positioned because I can invite you in without having to take the same level of risk. And then I could just cherry pick the people. You know what I mean? That they look like they're going to be a little bit more successful and then build a relationship with them. Right. Now, him being signed to a distributor, of course, he does still control more things, but I think that's just the nature of the game today. And independent almost should be washed away or we should clearly define independent because to me, it's so much marketing language versus the reality of what this is. I don't think independent means today what people originally meant when they say independent. Like it literally means today, independent of a major. Independent of a major label. But there's a billion other entities out there that you can be in partnership with and you are still signed to them. Right. Even labels, if you're signed to a major, it could be the same deal and they just call it a partnership. Why? Because that shit sounds better on paper. It's better for your ego, but the numbers work out the same and I just signed you. Right. All of this stuff. And I don't I don't really buy into it. But since you'll see being independent, is he technically independent? Sure. Let's let's stick with that. Right. He has a distributor, of course. He has an infrastructure management team in their building and they're doing a hell of a job. Right. I don't think technically independent or not matters outside of the narrative that people want to push to inspire the indies or to keep the indies trapped in depending on which side you are on. Right. Yeah. I mean, and I think that's what comes out too mad. Like we on the other side of it, of the the indie artists, you know, propaganda push, you know what I'm saying? Like we've been strong components of it, you know, like we've been pushing the narrative for the last couple of years. We benefit from it. And I think that's just how a lot of these music companies look at it, bro. Like I had to. Because what independent, the bigger the independent artist community grows, the bigger the independent labor community grows, right? There can be more distribution companies. Yes. There can be more marketers like us, right? There can be more publishers and these different people. So yeah, we got to sprinkle it on a couple of things, make it look sexy to keep people wanting to stay in that space. Because once again, like I said, I look at indie now as independent of a major label. Right. Not even just from an artistic standpoint, but just from a resource standpoint, right? Like I'm able to go and get these things to spite you, right? Despite what you have control of and what you can make happen with your thing, which is a good thing for the market overall. But I still see it that way, bro. It's like literally like, hey, like we have to keep doing things and saying things and putting this label on certain people that encourages the community to look at it that way because of it benefits everybody. And like I said, I don't think that's a bad thing, but that's just reality, you know? Like I'm stringing the indie artist narrative for as long as it can go, because if it wasn't for indie artists, will we have an agency, you know what I'm saying? Will we be making this channel if every artist was tied to that type of institution and couldn't? We'll probably. We'll find a way, but. Yeah, we will be with the labels. We will contract through them a lot more. Yeah, a lot more. Yeah, exactly. But you already know it. Yeah, well, try to keep away from that. In my mind, that is as much as possible, but it makes it easier for us to do that because of the indie history. The indie market buzz, yeah. So I think like, yeah, you're going to have these really blurry situations where, like you said, the narrative is a lot stronger. Hey, he's independent, so he must be doing all this by himself and XYZ and like, oh, we want to support him because he's the underdog competing against this legislative act. And you look at him like, man, bro, he got more, well, not him specifically, but that particular artist got more resources, maybe even more attention, more hands on than that measure level artist. Yep, true look at that. That's what we get to the point right there. Let me take a quick second to say, if you're an artist trying to blow your music up or if you're a manager, a music professional in general, trying to help an artist blow their music up, I have something that's a game changer for you and it's completely free. As you may know, we've helped multiple artists go from zero to hundreds of thousands of streams. We've helped multiple artists go from hundreds of thousands to millions of streams, chart on Billboard, GoViral, all of that stuff. And we've now made the way we've branded multiple artists and helped them go viral completely free step by step in Brandman Network. All you have to do is check out brandmannetwork.com. You apply, it's completely free, but the thing is we're not gonna let everybody in forever. So the faster you apply, the better your chance of getting accepted. Brandmannetwork.com, check it out, back to the video. Yeah, cause to be a superstar in a situation like that, you're not gonna get treated any differently than a major act on a major level, but you are the major act there, but you're getting that same treatment. Anything you want, even if it's outside the parameters of what that company typically does, I've seen it. I've seen it for certain clients where it's like, hey, we don't usually do this, but yo, shit is going so well over here with this person that we gonna do whatever we need to do to make this happen for him. And in that situation, what's the difference between the label, you know what I'm saying? The company that only promise you distribution for 10 and 20% is now willing to get you investment and now willing to get you certain looks, now willing to have you build out your team, your infrastructure and all these other things. I was like, what's the difference at that point, you know what I'm saying? So independent to me, man, to me, there's independent of major labels. It's all ours, let's say, which I think, I think we should stand on that definition because that will make the conversation a little bit, a little bit more tepid, you know what I'm saying? Like this conversation gets hot because people feel a certain way about it, bro. Are there gonna be people who are gonna see this, they're like, oh, central cities and Indy because you got a distribution company helping you. And it's like, you're not wrong and you're not right. Like what about all the other things you have to go figure out, you know what I'm saying? Like these one entities don't necessarily become the most like, they're not always the most like gang changing elements of everything. Sometimes there are stepping stones to help you put together the different components that you need to put together that make the game changing situation for you, right? Like that situation, and like I said, I don't know just speculating here, but let's just say that's the situation that allowed him to make money that didn't go pay like his content team or something, right? And then that's the situation. And those content pieces popped him off on TikTok or something like that, right? It's like, it becomes more about like the pieces of the big picture that leads to the success rather than like, oh, you just have this big corporation behind you because we've seen it that that doesn't always mean anything, right? You can be tired of some of the biggest entities of music and nothing happened. Plenty of artists have failed that have so many. Not being quote, unquote independent, but I think I personally just wanna encourage artists to understand business and do good business. Because the independent conversation is even a distraction of sorts to me, all right? All of these things that you can see, all of these things that you see get pushed a lot. Let you know that there's some agendas behind it. Yeah, bro, I remember. It's always marketing. Like, oh man, everybody's indy, indy, indy, indy, indy, why do I see this so much? Because it's speaking to a certain message and it's encouraging a certain marketplace to flourish that I can capitalize off of. That's simple. Exactly, bro. You gotta always look at pushing it. And like I said, not until a battle here. Like I was willing to admit that, hey, we pushing it because it's much easier doing business with the indy artists than it is doing business with the major. I want more indy artists to have major-level budgets so we can move to that problem. Yeah, for sure. Definitely that. I just think that people get so caught up in this language stuff versus the actual mechanics behind it all. Like what's actually happening? Make sure something different is occurring because if you're in an old school bad deal but you use the language independent and the label that's working with you says, yeah, you're independent. Why does it matter? Because you're still in that bad deal. If you're in a good deal and people think you're signed, why does that matter? Outside of pushing the marketing message and then saying, I want to brand around independence like Chance the Rapper did heavily and that becomes something that you can capitalize off of so you have this reason and agenda to make sure people see it in that way. So I don't know for me. I think that when we get into the indy shit and the way people talk about it, it's really based off of old indy, which is why it's best to differentiate specifically like you said, independent of a major label. Not independent of help. And when you get into DIY, do it yourself and you not do it all yourself. You have to go into partnerships in this music industry in some form of fashion. Some piece of the pie. You're not going to have the entire vertical yourself. Even if you have a marketing team, a content team, buy a PR team and all that stuff, you might get to a label, I mean a level, like let's just say you're on Beyonce's level. You can create your own distribution company and all that stuff. So you're owning that entire vertical. But even though there still have to be partnerships to get on the Spotify playlist or whatever, right? Or in deal with those people to work with, let's say live nation, there's always going to be some type of partnership that comes into space in music and the entertainment industry, the way it is built out. It just kind of just has to be. So if anything, let the idea of independent me more so, just understand the business, understand what you are. I don't even want to say what you're worth because people take that and they roll with it and it'd be the wrong number. But understand like what leverage looks like in the business, you know what I'm saying? And also make sure that you get as much of an entrepreneurial spirit that makes sense for you. Right? So you might want to build heavily and all in a whole thing, but there's some people who don't want to even work like that. Right? And own the system and have all that rely on them and that's fine. And they both can make a lot of money, right? But it's essentially independent by the ignorant Indies opinion, no. By an experienced old school label perspective know as well. By someone in the middle. Someone in the middle who's more moving in this new space. Yes, he's indie in terms of independent of a major label, but you'll hear the old folks like, they're like, oh no, because this is exactly the same shit. So you know, I remember when Chance was like, oh, he didn't have the deal, but all the people knew the business. They were like, what is he talking about? This is the exact same shit. You can't get here without this type of partnership. This type of partnership. Yeah, he doesn't have a major label, but literally it's the same thing in a different house. All right, so, you know what I mean? Same meal with all the, no, let's say different plate on the fixings. So y'all take that as y'all with them, man. You want to make India part of your brand, you care. Just make sure your business is right and you can sleep at night. Let's go with that one. No, if you're using it for marketing, or you truly trying to do it, all the way. All the way. I don't think y'all want to see what it's like all the way. All the way. It's stressful all the way. It's a lot of early gray hairs, you know what I'm saying? No four hour sleep nights. Right, no four hour work week, four hour sleep night. Now with that being said, also same conversation, similar conversation.