 All right, welcome back to the breakfast. It's time for us to take a look at some headlines on some of our national dailies. And after that, we'll have up the press with a member of the Chartered Institute of Appetrators in the UK talking about Chris Wando-Kende, who will be joining us to take a look at all of these headlines that we'll be taking a look at this morning. But let's start with the newspapers before we introduce you to Chris. We're starting with the Guardian newspaper. Well, the Guardian leads with this content that aspirants minority caucus reject Ababio Abbas. Details of that you find on page six of the Guardian newspaper. On top of it, you find reconciliation not mentioned during Obisbisit, Sheinka clarifies. You find details of that on page three of the Guardian newspaper. Entire security as Supreme Court rules on Adeleke Oyetollah's case today. Details of that is on page seven. And going down, you find technicalities. Time wasting won't be entertained. P.E.P.C. wants Atiku obi to Naboo's lawyers. Technicality, time wasting will not be entertained. And that's on page six that you'll find details of that. That's all I'll be taking from the Guardian newspaper. Okay, we'll move to the Daily Trust newspaper. The Daily Trust this morning is leading with a story, Tribunal to Lawyers Parties. We must consider Nigeria's peace. And under that you have, here's Atiku's petition today, Obis tomorrow. ASK is dismissed. La Long Bard from Representing Tienobu. We also have Rebs reject NCC's 700 billion narrow request to close coverage gap. You'll see that story on page five. On page 19, there's a story, not page 19. Page 11, there is a story Oshun governorship. Supreme Court decides Adeleke Oyetollah's fate today. They have that story also on page 11. APC National Working Committee ratifies Tienobu's candidates. Apabiu for Senate, Abbas for Speaker. You also find that story on page 10 of Daily Trust. Now, ahead of commissioning, Dangote says Nigeria to gain $20 billion from refinery. And then there is a report. That report is on, okay. There's a report on gunmen invading Kagaqo, Kagaqo Emir's house. Abdux seven grandchildren, six others. Those were the headlines from the Daily Trust that we are taking this morning. All right, let's go to the punch newspaper. And the punch is leading with Tribunal. Tienobu Atiku Obis legal battle commences the riders. PDP APM's petition pre-hearing hold today. LP Obis case Wednesday. And then you have Tribunal once lawyer says, those who deserve justice will get it. All right, you have details of that on pages two and three of the punch newspaper. All right, on top you have National Assembly, APC Peaks, Ababiu, Abbas. Details, page two. Obis visit, not about reconciliation. So you can say in there, page 19 is where you have details of that. Bandits kidnapped 40 Kaduna worshippers, nine Emir's children. These tales of that will be found on page 19 of the punch newspaper. And FG Plus rescue of Nigerian domestic workers in Iraq. Page 15 of the punch newspaper is where you get details of that. Abju's plan to rescue Nigerian domestic workers in Iraq. That's all we're taking from the punch newspaper. Okay, daily independence is next. Daily independent also leads with the story of coming from the National Assembly or about the National Assembly. APC and Dossi's Ababiu for Senate President, Abbas for Speaker. And the writers are Jibril Kalu for Deputy Senate President, Deputy Speaker, respectively. Senate House elect kick in system producing own leaders. Presidential election court dismisses AA's petition against Tunobu is another headline. And the writer is against, or wants against on due delay with frivolous motions. The Nigerian judiciary is known to do that a lot. We also have stories on top of that. May 29 handover date, sacrosanct says Defense Minister. Defense Minister is saying that this story starts on page one and continues on page seven. Presidential election petition court, Attiku PDP sick life broadcast of hearing. You will find that story also there on page 29. Then we go down at the corner of the left hand corner of that paper, that front page, you find Buhari asks NUPRC to supervise all crude oil export terminals. Page seven is where you find the story. Energy infrastructure, trans-corp power gets discharge certificate from FG. Okay, Obaseki, that's page seven as well. On page six, Obaseki, okay, it's 13th month salary for Edo workers. That is on page six, bravo. On page seven again, another batch of 129 Nigerians fleeing Sudan, arrive Abuja. And on page six, 134 kidnapped victims rescued in Kogi state. And just a small headline under there, we have Nigerian Navy to reduce high insurance premium on ships, as according to CNS. Okay, those are the headlines from Daily Independent. And that about closes our headline readings this morning. Okay, so it's time for us to go up the press where we have Chris Kane De Wando, a member of the Chartered Institute of Obituators in the UK. Who's joining us this morning from Abuja? Good morning to you, Chris. No, no, no, it's nice to be here this morning. Good morning to all of you. It's always a pleasure to have you join us, Chris. Let's go straight to the tribunal. That is the hottest matter right now. Well, the PEPC has warned that technicalities, time-wasting won't be entertained and they've issued that warning to Atiku, Obi, and Tenubu's lawyers. Let's start with that. Technicalities will not be entertained. Yes, one of the reasons why I'm in Abuja is because of the tribunal sitting at the court. And so it commenced yesterday, the hearing of the two of these case and all the justices of the Supreme Court, quite a few of them that had the case have said is that technicalities will not be entertained. What they did was what we call they not do rules. So if you are, it's like being employed, when you get employed, then that decision will be given the rules and the patients of that institution. So what they caused the death today were just they not do rules. And it is going to be taken in batches. Today is going to be the turn of Atiku. Yesterday was the two. And I think there are about two or three of them. And so after that, the main fire works, it starts. So it was good to know that the head of the panel stated that technicalities will not be entertained. And that has been the pain of our judicial system and most of our, the judgment of the tribunals in the past. And it has not gone down with the Nigerians. A good example is what's happening in Imouste. We are somebody that came for us, was elevated to be the governor of Imouste, and came the governor. And after that, the security rest of them. So it's good to know that this is being led up and that all the litigants and all the lawyers and everybody who works at this street knew the rules as they're done by the tribunals, or the courts. Some said it's the court. We don't want to be known as tribunals, as the courts. And ladies and gentlemen, so there's Harguza. Well, is there some kind of handbook that will give us a definition of what can be called frivolous or something? Because these are things that have been done over the years in our judiciary and people are becoming used to it. I see there's no place that you can go to and find out that these things are wrong. Okay, so now, for instance, yesterday, a former governor came to represent someone who was standing trial and they said this couldn't happen. Will that constitute frivolity? Will that constitute one of the things that they are saying should never happen? So who defines these frivolities? Who defines what is a deliberate attempt to scuttle the process or to delay the process? Where do we find the penalties for this? In my law, one of the definition of law is, the law is what it is. It is a definition, one of the several definitions of law. So if the law is what it is, then that is what it is. And as defined by the judges, they are exerting the rules. And the rules remain available to all the lawyers involved either for those abroad in case or those that are defending themselves. So that is where the fact is that it has been laid out and they are aware. The issue of trying to use certain pretenses or trying to use some technicalities to be able to prolong. Don't forget that this tribunal has a time frame. It is not what it used to be in the past again. It has a time frame to fix it. So in the past, this can drag for the next four years. No, it is no longer like that. The new electoral act has defined a time frame for this and I think within the 19th district and understated as far as this one is concerned. So it is not going to be so in the past we've seen all sorts of technologies being brought also software that is being brought and what they are telling you now. Don't forget, all the parties involved have already submitted all their papers. Yes, they have submitted. You know that they did that about two weeks ago. They've submitted all their papers. So it is just to stick to those issues as it were and provide evidence. The bedrock of every law when it comes to the issue of this is what we call evidence. That is what the law is based on. You have to provide the evidence. When it comes to criminal issues it has to be proved beyond reasonable doubt. That is how the law is. So it has been laid out and they know what to do. And if anybody against that then the panel will have the right to bring the person to the right part and make sure that they don't waste the time with the tribunals. Yeah, and it does look like it will not be televised as some Nigerians had wished it would be. Also try to make sense of the protests that we saw yesterday at the tribunal by some Nigerians. The one is in protest. The United Kingdom do the coronation of the King of England on Saturday. There are people protesting that. So protest is a fundamental right that has been guaranteed in the 1990 Constitution on the bedrock of the problem. Everybody has a right to protest. So you cannot stop that. The only time you can stop it is when it gets violent. If it's getting out of power and you are trying to use it to stop the peace of the people there, that's best. It is right that it's shined in the Constitution. So they have a right to do it. Second person about not be televised. There is not any group that say that it must be televised. It is within the armament of the panel to destabilize should be televised or not. But for transparency's sake, everybody wants to be televised. Many of the school of thought that it should be transpirated now for it to be televised, so that everybody can watch. But I agree with what you said in the video in that that in itself can mount some kind of pressure on the justices of the Supreme Court or the panelists. But in other sense of the advanced world cannot be televised. Whether they're televised or not, what we want is we want justice to be delivered. There is a difference between judgment and justice. What we plan just on looking for is not for judgment, but for the justices. So that justice must be seen to be made and to be delivered so that everybody will feel satisfied. Since the court is the last hope of the common man. So shall it be. Because of this, a lot of Nigerians no longer have faith in the judiciary because of some of the controversial judgment that have been made in the past. So people are losing so much faith. This is the time for the justices to be seen and to be delivered. This, with this trial. It's not, we are focusing so much on president-president. Now all the tribunals are going to see it and with that of the government machine and they're going to be that of the House of Representatives, the National Assembly and the State House of Representatives. For example, the tribunal for the government ship in the river states has been moved to Abu Dhabi instead of Potakko because of the security. Most of them do not know that. That tribunal is going to see it in Abu Dhabi, not in Potakko. Okay, well, removing all the incombrances, do you think there's a possibility that some of these cases might be done with before the swearing in? Oh, definitely not. It's not possible. How many days? Today is night. It's not possible. So we have barely... 20 days. 20 days. No, no, no, no, it's not possible. It's not possible. So there's no way the swearing in will come in if the president will be sworn in on the 29th of May 2023 and if various states are going to be sworn in, governments will also be sworn in on the 28th of May. But that is not the end of it. If at the end of the 28th of May, whatever it is, decide that the election was not conducted based on the rules, and then it can be unknown that we will have a moment of elections in most states in the past. But that we've never had it since 1999 where the presidential election was unknown. So if there's going to be any incombrances, there are going to be any challenges, you're going to see that this election was not conducted. It will be unknown. And don't forget also that, just like we are talking about today, the Supreme Court is going to divide judgment on that of the election, the election of the election of Shun, since we did that in the project today. So the people in Inoshubu are sitting and waiting for that judgment. Whether Governor Glege is going to remain in the club now off of Shun's days, or former governor, we are told that he's going to be returned, or whether the court is going to ask for consideration of the adhesion and conduct. We don't know. So we all are waiting to see the outcome of that judgment from Supreme Court in Yabuja today. Okay, let's leave the executive now and go to the legislature as it is. Because the National Assembly, there's a lot of problem there. The ruling party is trying to select who will be the next speaker of the House and also the Senate president. And two people have been anointed for these positions, but within the party, they are kicking against it. And outside the party, others are grouping to make sure that they unseat the people who are anointed. What is your take on this? There are two chambers of national assembly. One is the Senate and another one is the House of Representatives. 109 senators are going to elect the new president and other presiding officers of the Senate. And 360 members of the House of Representatives are going to elect the presiding officers of the House of Representatives. For me, I think technically, I think that on the Senate, it is more like a done deal. Anointed candidate, Senator Goswin Ababu, seems to be enjoying the support of not only his party, but even other party members of the opposition. Don't forget, he was the former minority, the leader of the Senate. That means that he was the leader of the PDP in the Senate, in the ninth assembly. So he has to have his colleagues. That was before he was removed. He was, he's the man that had those hard to predict scheme. And since that time, the EPC has soon been the presidency to the South side. And then he's having some kind of, I think he's getting his colleagues behind him across the party lines, with PDP, LP, and everything. Except something else happened, as it did in 2015, where the rug was pulled off the, off the feet of the EPC as a party. And the anointed candidate there, who is the current president of the Senate, Amal Lara, who was anointed by the party, lost that because of an hard to position and some dissident put and output, members of the EPC, quickly ran around and elected Kola Saake as president of the Senate in 2015. I wouldn't know how that will work out, not that for now. That is what it is. But for the House of Representatives, that is where the problem is. Because there are so many candidates, so many people kicker around. And to make it even more difficult for the EPCs, the fact that the current leadership, the current membership of the House of Representatives, the minority party are in the majority. They are the majority party. I think they have about 181, 181 members. To that of the EPC, there are three systems of them, but the minority party are in majority. So, and if they come together and come together, they have the capacity to be able to upstage or be able to select, influence the selection. Yes, the party has come out to endorse certain individuals, somebody from North West as a speaker, somebody from the South East as the deputy speaker. And for the best, they are all that candidate, about seven or six of them, that if that wants to declare yesterday or another one declared on Saturday, I know that you should muster that, a very, very, very important member of that House of Representatives. Somebody have done so well in the past four years for my deputy speaker of the two state assembly. Somebody that out of the 90 views that were signed into law by the president two weeks ago, he presented six of those laws. So that shows how to the capacity of that, you muster, you should muster from the two state. So they said they are not backing down. And the problem with this is that if the opposition is the way the EPC is pushing it, if the opposition decide to go for those that is not, that EPC did not endorse, then it could be a problem. So where the issue is going to be, is going to be the House of Representatives out of the Senate, I think that is what we're doing. Okay, let's look at, because time will not allow us to go further, but let's look at what's happening today, tax security, our Supreme Court rules on Adeleke or Yatollah's case today. What do you make of that case? It's on the Guardian newspaper. Yes, I'll say that before, I say that the judgment is coming up today. You know, if it's football, man, you let's say, man, you must, for now you call it is a one-one cholesterol. Put on the on-call, you guys, anything like that. Yatollah won at the lower tribunal. And Adeleke won at the Court of Appeal. So today is the final. So this is, today is the Champions League final. So, we don't know where the penalty is going, either for Yatollah or for Plishtim, but I believe that it's the Supreme Court of Justice. Don't forget that behind this dispute is the big reverse, the almighty reverse, and where it was taken for certain reasons that the reverse that was over-voting, accounting and this for them in that ballot, that is how Yatollah won at the Court of Appeal. But the Court of Appeal say no, that should not be used. I will talk about technicalities now. But the problem I have in our electoral system now is the situation where Nigerians with their millions will vote for a candidate. Then two or three people will just sit down and decide who becomes, who will be the winner. And that is not good enough for them. That is why we are calling INA to make sure that they start up by the rooms and make sure that, it is possible for them to conduct a lesion by the group so that we don't continue to resort to this issue of leaving it to the cause to decide the fate of millions and millions of Nigerians who have voted for certain candidates. But we will wait and see what this will come out. Yeah, you took that, yes, Chris. You took that right out of my mouth. I was gonna ask you what you think of the fact that the courts are beginning to decide the results of our elections after spending so much money to conduct these elections after Nigerians have come out to queue under the sun and in the rain to choose a candidate. And then at the end of the day, it's the court that decides. Well, thank you so much, Chris. Chris Cain de Wando is a member of the Chartered Institute of Abitrators in the UK. He's joined us today, however, from Abuja. Thank you so much, Chris, for being a part of us this morning. Always a pleasure to have you with us. Thank you very much for having me. Do have a nice day. You too. Okay, we're going to take a short break now. And when we return, we'll be looking at our first hot topic. We're looking at the crisis within the Labour Party and what really is going on. How is it going to affect the electoral process that we are embarking on now? Stay with us. We'll be back in a moment.