 I think it's a very important thing and I just think it gives you that identity. For me i would love to say given to one of the young players up and coming who can represent us going forward. I'm not worried but do you think with the likes of Holgate though is his position going forward or guaranteed almost? Well, that's part of it though, isn't it? It's never guaranteed, but we heard Carlo Antolotti speak at the press conference on Friday when he asked about Manchester City and he said he's not going anyway, he's a future of this club, and I always think they'll find some way for them to play whether it be centre midfield or centre back. I mean more likely centre back. More even right back at times. Yeah, I don't really know. I'd love them at centre midfield or centre back, and if other people come in and they're challenges, they're challenges, that's fine. I mean I'm just saying about him right now. For me, he has to play every week now. I look at him as a major cog in the wheel now. I think he's cut out all the little mistakes, most of them anyway. There's technical stuff, but what I mean is there was issues early on where he wasn't concentrating and things would go over his head. I think he's fine-tuned his game. He's still got ways to go, but I think it's about what you said before. You look at the stadium and get that planning permission and you go right, we're going to the stadium in three years' time. Let's have a young captain by the time we get to it. By the time we got to the stadium, he'd be watched 26, 27, going into the stadium, making him one of the most important players at the club as well. You're the captain of Everton Football Club. We see you as the future of Everton Football Club. We want you to be here and take us forward. Now whether that be him or somebody else, someone like Dom or somebody else, I think that to me is showing you what we're all about as a club. Someone who, okay, we brought him in like we brought Dom in, but we brought them young. We've had a little bit of time in the under-23s, gone into the first team, had the struggles, but have grown. Now, and what that says to people is, is also is, they're an example to people in the academy as well and say, right, or people you bring in to go in the academy or to go in the under-23s or under-18s you say to them. This is what we do. Right, you might have a little struggle. You might have ups and downs. You might feel like you're not going anywhere at times, but this is the captain of the club. And this is the vice captain. You know, whether that be Dom, and you go there, and you go, you know what, I'm the vice, vice captain. It's Tom Davis, let's just say. And the point being is, is that, that's your direction. You know, I'm sure there's some clubs out there that probably only ever have homegrown plays as their captains. Because again, it's that identity. It's that identity. You have other clubs that take it further. You know, you know, like in Spain, the Basque country and all that. If you play for some of their clubs, and it does create that identity, which I think is really important at everything about creating that identity. At times, we've talked that too far in terms of like, you know, we go to game and local team for local people and all that kind of thing. But I still feel like there should be that identity of like, we're trying to get local kids into the team. It's new age though, isn't it? That's what you've got to create, like a new version, not new age, but like a new version of everything. That's, because when you put something in place like that and that becomes the narrative, people can jump on board with it and go, things are changing. They've now got this young lad and he's the captain. He's got a stadium coming up and he's got a director of football, a well-class manager, you know, the assistant manager's never an icon. You know, everything becomes like a positive narrative almost of we're trying to get to this place and we're all on this journey together. Whether, you know, whether the whole gate's still here in three years or whether we've sold them for £150 million to Barclay or whatever, that's got to be the pathway. And then you're saying to someone like Lewis Gibson, well, look at Mason Wholegate. We bought him from Barnsley. He battled to get in. He had times when he probably didn't think he was going to make it. Now he's our captain or whatever. He's the same. We bought him from Newcastle. You know, there was room as he was looking to get away, but he ended up starting a new contract. He's now doing really well. A Fleetwood is pathways, you know, getting to the squad and can he become the new Mason Wholegate in that team? Can he partner Mason Wholegate? All of that kind of thing. You're right about that. It's about a message, really. I don't like it when it's... I'm not inspired when I see Coleman or Baines or Sigurds leading the team. All good players in their own right. Baines particularly, I love and love Leighton Baines. Like you said before, he just plays by. His example isn't playing. He just plays the game well, works hard. Coleman is worried about his own form, so it doesn't come across as a captain. Sigurds and I don't think he's ever been inspirational. I love Luca Dean. I don't think Luca Dean's a particularly great captain. Don't get me wrong. These may be leaders in and around the club on the training ground, but I think it's a... I think what it does as well is though, which we touched on, is it empowers people, it empowers the young people at the club to say, this is yours, take us forward, and that empowers people off the pitch. We're trying to create new icons at the football club. Let the other ones not go, but let them just get on with what they're doing, and go back to the start and say, because we've gone from Jack Gilchrist being club captain, and gone, hey, I'll pass it to the next person in line, instead of going new and bought these ever, and I think now is the right time to do that.