 gentlemen. She's been gone for two days. But now, as we enter Thursday and begin DTNS, DTNS productions is very proud to welcome back to the show, a woman who is taking a lot longer to close the door than I expected. When I started this bit. And so now I'm left filling time. Is there a wait for Justin Robert Young, Sarah Lane? What door? Oh, you meant the windows? Yeah, was it a window? Never mind. Hey, Sarah, we're back. We're live. Yay. Hello. I missed everyone. I hate being away from the show. It's like part of my life now. Yeah, it's like not brushing my teeth. Like a room in your in your place. It is. Quite honestly. It's like her her tech news senses get all fuzzy, like your teeth if you don't brush them. Oh, God, I hate the fuzz mouth. Oh, the worst. Um, okay. We got echo, we got and massage. Oh, yeah. This is a pack show. Pack show. Oh, and we developed buttons sit while you were gone. I see them. Yeah, that's bio cow. Bio cow did that because Roger said, gosh, I wish I just had a button that I could push to change things to orange. These buttons are are clickable. Oh, I know. So bio cow went into a little scripty script. Oh, that's so cool. See, this is why you need people who know how spreadsheets work. I know. Very clever. Me, I'm like, I can add some cells. I can sum to I can sum. Oh, crap. We don't have time. Somebody set up a ticker for me for the politics podcast that I can enter whatever I want in and it goes. Oh, that would be real quick. I'm just going to assign myself the first message. Oh, well, hold on a second. I mean, oh, I see the message is pertains to our main topic. So I moved it up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, that's good. That's good. So yeah, we'll either I'll I'll do that. Here's what we'll do. I'll read line 30 to set up the topic. Right. Yeah. Then I'll kick it to you. Yeah. And you can start start the discussion and whether you want to start it with the email or work it in whatever. Sure. Yeah, that's fine. Yeah, because before when I read it, I was like, what's he talking about? Okay, so we're gonna like wrap up the discussion, but sort of kick it back to it. So no, this makes more sense. Yeah, it's just part of the discussion. And then if we get to Sean Parker, we get to Sean Parker. If not, we can skip it. But I mean, it was kind of just, you know, it's almost like a tongue and cheek like, Oh, look who's upset about it. It's like, it's like a kicker. Yeah. Yeah. All right, you guys ready? Yep. Take it away, big Jim. I mean, the Daily Tech News show is brought to you by its global listener base, not outside organizations. To find out how you can contribute, go to DailyTechnewshow.com slash support. This is the Daily Tech News for Thursday, November 9, 2017 from DTNS headquarters in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt. And from Studio Feline. I'm back after a couple days away and I missed everyone. I'm Sarah Lane. And from Oakland, California. It's me, Justin Robert Young. Also, with us is our producer, Roger Chang. Roger, what's the word? I have never left. He's been here for days. Roger's like, I've literally been here the entire time because of him. Yeah, like right here, just sit here, even when I left, he was just, yeah, right there in your whole time. We are going to talk about revenge porn, because there've been new developments since we talked about it with Scott Johnson yesterday. And we've got a few more thoughts, got an email. But let's start with a few tech things you should know. Following up on another story from yesterday, Harmony, Logitech Harmony doing a little damage control after announcing the Harmony Link sunset, the company now says that while the link will still go away next spring, all previous owners will now receive a free upgrade to the new Harmony Hub. Previously, Logitech had only offered the Harmony Hub upgrade to customers who had their link still under warranty. I think that's the right thing to do. Some expansion news, Amazon's Echo speakers now available in Japan, along with a Japanese version of Amazon voice services, including skills, which is Amazon's Japanese market entry, following the launches. Oh, I'm sorry. Along with Amazon voice services, including skills, period. Amazon's Japanese market entry follows the launches of lines, clues, waves, and Google's home in the country. So pretty much everybody's expanding into Japan. Canalysis estimates Apple's iPhone 7 outsold the iPhone 8 in Q3, though the eight launched at the end of the quarter. Canalysis also went on to say that Apple shipped 13 million iPhone 7s iPhone 7s and 11.9 million iPhone 8. A year ago, Apple shipped 14 million iPhone 7 and iantic maker the Pokemon Go app is now working on an AR based Harry Potter themed follow up Harry Potter Go or something. I don't know. Pokemon Go reportedly had about 45 million daily players at its peak and generated more than $1.2 billion in sales. So why not go after another incredibly popular seems like a really good, you know, I mean, Pokemon was not a real thing of mine. But Pokemon Go I was obsessed with for several months. So Harry Potter actually being a franchise that I know I love makes sense. Yeah, makes imagine how big it will be if it actually works. Aloha, Mora. That your money. That's what they want. Alright, let's get to some more top stories, Sarah. All right, Apple confirmed to TechCrunch. It has acquired Invisage. This was rumored previously. It's a nanotech startup focusing on image sensors. So obviously, Apple would be interested in image sensors for its phones and and phones of the future. Invisage owns 27 patents, which presumably Apple probably wanted as well. The company's key product is called Quantum Film, which focuses on taking high quality pictures in non optimal lighting conditions. So low light or blurry or action shot, that sort of thing. Now, first of all, I am a heathen who would say Invisage. I like your more sophisticated pronunciation. I think that's that's probably better. It's Patrick Bezier rub rub enough on me. Yeah, all of this on these days. Yeah. But but no, this this is pretty pretty much right in line with the reports from Mark Gurman that they're doing AR and this is a good company for them to grab, right? Absolutely. I don't know that there is much else to say except, you know, I think I think what we're going to see now is is with the new iOS exactly what the market for developers is around AR and whether or not Apple can create hardware that can really put it a front and center into people's lives, we are now going to get the first taste of exactly how much people want to use it if it means lifting their phone up for it. Yeah. And this is the kind of thing that hey, you can see how these sensors would fit into a headset in all kinds of ways. Don't forget Apple has bought loads of companies over the years. They bought the company that made Siri, that panned out, they've bought other companies that haven't yet appeared in a product, particularly a lot of car related startups. They may yet still show up, but just because they buy a company doesn't guarantee that you're going to see a product. Alright, AT&T said Wednesday that the timing of its deal to acquire Time Warner, which was begun a year ago now, October 2016, is now uncertain. They have until April 22nd, so they still have some time to finish the deal. But after they said that on Wednesday, the Financial Times and New York Times reported sources saying the US Department of Justice planned to block the acquisition if the combined entity did not either spin out Turner Broadcasting owners of CNN, which got a bunch of people talking, or the Direct TV satellite service, one or the other had to go. So then Thursday at the deal book conference in New York, AT&T CEO Randall Stevenson said, quote, I have never been told that the price of getting the deal done is selling CNN period. And he said he has never offered to sell it. He avoided commenting on the idea of having to sell Direct TV, though, which I thought was interesting. Stevenson did also say, quote, it's time to settle or it's time to go to court, implying that if the Department of Justice and AT&T can't work out an agreement, he'll sue them. Meanwhile, the Department of Justice told Reuters that it worries the deal would raise costs for entertainment, raise costs for entertainment distributors and stifle innovation. However, McCann Del Raheem, head of the entity trust division of the US Department of Justice said he has quote, never been instructed by the White House on the AT&T deal. So a lot of theories floating around about who wants who to do what. But Randall Stevenson was out working hard today at that conference that New York Times deal book conference to say, nobody told me to do that. I'm not gonna do it. And if we can't work something out, we'll see in court. Well, and this is such a like hot button issue for a lot of people because it, you know, if you want to make it seem like, ooh, CNN is problematic now, you know, fake news, that sort of thing. It could be read a certain way. At the same time, Stevenson's quotes, if you want to kind of parse it is like, I've never been told that the price of getting the deal done is so in CNN period, it's like, well, doesn't mean it wasn't like a discussion topic at some point. Yeah. Sure. You know, I think what what is optimal here is to recognize that this is a very, very complicated process involving a lot of moving parts that the Department of Justice specifically, in, you know, a new White House where the these deals are only going to come more quickly just by the nature of where all these media companies and telecoms are a need to set certain parameters. I think this is a lot of noise coming out of back rooms that we are only getting a fraction of it on people are fighting in the press, based on negotiations that they're having behind closed doors. And it will not shock me if this all winds up coming out of the wash suit. Yeah, I think a lot of people are scrambling to make a good headline these days. I think probably if I had to read the tea leaves, my best guess is when they met with the Department of Justice on Monday, the Department of Justice probably expressed some rather reasonable concerns about concentration of ownership. And said, I mean, look, you could let's just imagine I'm not gonna say this is what happened. Let's just imagine they said, look, I mean, I mean, you could sell Turner broadcasting, right? But we know you probably don't want to do that. So would you consider spinning out your satellite distribution, like we need we need to reduce your footprint here somehow and Randall Stevenson said, definitely not gonna sell Turner broadcasting. Let me think about the direct TV thing that would fit everything that's being said here, and and seem like a kind of very uncontroversial negotiation that would happen when someone's looking over a merger of the size. Well, and I could see that the idea that direct TV might be kind of going beyond its satellite offering anyway, with the new set top box, which we talked about recently, could be, you know, somewhat problematic when you're taught, you know, if the government is like, hey, you got to like, you got to get to get rid of this whole big chunk. But AT&T is like, well, we're kind of transitioning that into something else. You don't necessarily want to get rid of something that's about to change and maybe be lucrative for AT&T. Yeah, if I'm time Warner, I'm out there going like, hold on Comcast NBC Universal, please. They are a distributor and a cable company and a content company and a freaking movie studio, which we won't really be. So what are you talking about there? Well, I mean, HBO was kind of a movie studio at this point, right? Well, actually, I say that I forget the time Warner owns Warner Brothers. So yeah, I mean, but but they are so but they're basically what my point is, Comcast NBC Universal is the same thing. If they allow if the US Department of Justice allowed that to happen, why wouldn't they allow this to happen? And specifically has MSNBC, which is a news organization, for whatever reason, I'll be honest, I don't believe in any way that CNN is a concern for either side here. I really don't. I think that's all made up in the press. Fake news. Intel has hired Raja Khadri, former head of graphics at AMD to lead a new unit building high end discreet graphics cards. Oh, how scandalous discreet AMD, which just partnered with Intel on a systems package, including semi custom AMD graphics, says it has quote, industry leading graphics IP, and if necessary, will vigorously defend it end quote. Huge, huge story. I mean, granted, if you're not into chips, you're like, great, just tell me when they make one and I'll tell me if it's any good to buy. But Intel getting into making standalone discreet graphics cards is is a shot over Nvidia's bow and a shot over AMD's bow. And don't forget AMD and Intel just announced a system on a system package where they had a discreet AMD graphics card on die. AMD is not happy about partnering up with Intel two days ago and saying, Hey, you know, we're providing the semi custom chip just the way we do for the Xbox and the Sony ps4. And now, yeah, I mean, Intel taking employees from AMD, you know, high profile employees as well as like, sheds a little bit more light on this whole partnership thing. Yeah, I think it's also kind of an implicit, implicit thing from Intel that they just don't have the know how in house and they don't have anything competitive in house and they feel that they need to do this to play catch up with. Well, no, that's why you I mean, yes, they don't have this they have the Iris graphics cards. That's it. I mean, they're not pretending this is a brand new department that they're hiring, you know, could really to to run. When Larabee fizzled out, I mean, everyone thought that they were that Intel was going to go with a, you know, they were just going to have a new push, but they didn't. And I just essentially just saying that they have been literally running around without their heads. I don't know that that's fake. No, I think they I think they decided that that was not a division they needed to have going. And now Brian Krasanich has changed his mind will not change his mind. He's new. Since that decision about Larabee was made, it says that they were out of step and they did not have a plan. I don't know that it was out of step for them not to have graphics. It was a reasonable decision to say, you know what, we'll just let the companies that make that do that. And now they're realizing, hold on, AMD's weak and video's got too much power and they're moving into our market. Now it's time for us to get back into it. Maybe I still think that it's it's this is a move on like while we need to start moving because everyone is getting to the point where we will not be able to catch up in any reasonable time. La Roman says why can't this be a prelude to Intel buying radion from AMD or maybe just buying AMD. I don't think the antitrust division would be very happy with that. Twitter announced it's pausing account verification after a wave of criticism that Twitter had verified the account of an organizer of a rally in Charlottesville, Virginia in August. Twitter adds a blue check mark, if you don't know this already to indicate that an account is of public interest and is actually from the person it says it is. Now Twitter says the check mark should not imply an endorsement, but a lot of people look at it that way. And Twitter has declined to grant verification and removed verification from controversial figures of public interest in the past. So it's a little bit of an inconsistent message. Twitter support posted quote verification was meant to authenticate identity and voice, but it is interpreted as an endorsement or an indicator of importance. We recognize that we have created this confusion and need to resolve it and CEO Jack Dorsey went even farther adding, we realized some time ago the system is broken and needs to be reconsidered and we failed by not doing anything about it working now to fix faster. You know, the whole verification thing is it's a funny thing because I remember when I got verified because there's a discrepancy between me and like some other Sarah lands on Twitter, you know, so I was like, I'm that Sarah land. I got you know, like it does it does make sense in a certain way. We are like, Oh, we're trying to discern between either fake accounts or parody accounts or just general confusion over names, especially because Twitter handles can be all over the place. But it's true that it has become sort of a if you're cool enough, you get a red or you get a blue checkmark. Twitter never said that that's what it meant. But there is sort of like a, you know, if you're important enough, Twitter will pay attention to you and do this for you. So it is a messaging problem with the company. You know, I don't necessarily think that the company did anything wrong based on how they've treated accounts in the past. But it's a very problematic episode, at least, you know, over the last day or so. So yeah, they have to figure out like, what does the blue checkmark mean? If you're verified, does it mean that Twitter says like, you're verified as a public figure, and therefore should be paid more attention to, are you going to be put up at the top of, you know, a timeline and carry more weight more than someone else based on algorithm? That's where it starts to get weird. Well, and if you look at the evolution of who was getting verified, initially it was a confusion thing. And then more recently became, you know, the list of what you needed to be to get verified in what areas you needed to make you're living in continue to grow more and more. And you know, media was probably the biggest one where all of a sudden anyone who worked at a newspaper or website can now get their their account verified. I think that Twitter got let this get way out of hand without proper definition. It became too culturally important. And no matter how much they want to put that back in the barn, they can't it is the cool kids club whether or not they meant it to be changed the logo make it black box so anybody can get it verified. Julie Nassange tomorrow this goes away. Well, I have some good news on an entirely different note everyone. Apple has released iOS 11.1.1, which among other bug fixes fixes that whole I being auto corrected to a bug that's a question mark and then some sort of an emoji character. And you've probably seen this on the other internet because it was spreading like wildfire. I certainly had the had the virus and I was complaining about it last week. Apple previously asked customers to create a text replacement workaround for the I auto correct bug as a temporary fix which I found insulting. Like I'm not going to do that. No, you fix the software. Like that's silly. So anyway, they have and this will all be you know, just a distant memory in our long national nightmare. Soon enough. This is definitely one of those that I was very just excited for you. I feel like you still have more in the tank. Like you were very angry about this. You had you had very pointed language in the DACA this morning about you felt about Apple's response for the workaround. Well, I mean, here's the thing. It's like, sure, it's a bug. It's not, you know, it didn't appear to be malicious in any way. But it was, it started kind of small. And then it started to get more widespread. I was seeing it all over the place, you know, and people are like, What's going on? What's happening? It just, you know, for Apple to be like, Oh, no, you just like, do like one of those text replacement things where when you mean to say the letter I, then you just, you know, just kind of fix it on the back end. It's like, No, dude, I'm not doing that. They were just saying do that while they got that update. I know, I know. But even so, even so, it's like, No, I'm just, I'm just going to text nonsensical things to people until you fix this somewhere. Hey, folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes, subscribe to Daily Tech headlines at dailytechheadlines.com also available on the Amazon. Echo the Google Home through the Anchor app, which means it's also on the Anchor app. And that's a look at our top stories. Now we mentioned yesterday, Facebook testing in Australia and three other countries, a way to block possible revenge porn pictures from being used against you. BBC reports now, though something we didn't know yesterday, Facebook employees will view the photos submitted to the program. The photos will still not be stored, but an employee, a human being will have to look at it to make the hash of it. Facebook is testing that system right now. Sarah, that kind of changes how I look at this. In what way? Well, because yesterday I said, look, it's kind of weird. But if you trust Facebook to just make a hash and not store it, then I guess it's okay. Now it's like, ooh, I mean, the calculation is still the same. If I trust you, I guess it's fine. But to know someone on the other end is going to see this naked picture of me that I want blocked. That changes things. The nudity part of it is like, you know, it's going to make everybody be like, oh, gosh, that makes me uneasy. You know, like, then it's a stranger at Facebook who we know that not every employee at every large company doesn't go rogue, right? That happens at times as well. But, you know, we got a good email from Chuck who's in very cold Montana, he says, and he had an interesting, you know, kind of a description of how he saw this. And he said, listen, the method that companies are using to combat this sort of thing, revenge porn aside, it's kind of like Time Magazine submitting a picture to Facebook or, you know, some other social network and saying, we own the rights to this. So if you see it from, you know, CBS or ABC or whoever, take it down because there's a copyright issue. So if you think of it in terms of someone saying, listen, there's a chance that this might get out there, you know, maybe I have a reason to believe that somebody has access to a photo that, you know, is mine and is sensitive. I'm not sure what the right solution would be if not to have somebody over at Facebook saying, got it recorded? Yes, Sarah Lane, we're not going to let somebody upload a picture that you've already indicated you're sort of worried about and you have the rights to. But I don't want anyone at Facebook looking at my naked photos either. So it's kind of like, would we want to, you know, entrust this just some sort of algorithm machine? You know, that doesn't work really well either at Facebook. I don't understand why they can't just say, okay, because and this may be lost on a few people, you have to go to a government agency in Australia first and say, hey, I'm concerned about this. This person has a picture of me that I don't want out and I'm worried they might publish it on a social network. And the person at that agency in Australia will recommend in certain cases like you should take part in Facebook's program and then you text the picture to yourself on Facebook Messenger and the agency alerts Facebook about that. And then Facebook goes in, looks at the picture and creates a hash. I don't understand why they have to look. Can't you just say like, hey, make a hash of the picture that's coming from this person? I mean, I Justin, you got to answer to that. I do not know why it would need to be a person. But to me, there are two things to look at here. Sarah made a really, really good point about something as trivial as the eye to question mark thing. And the idea that the messaging on it initially was, hey, look, you can do this work around. That is technically a way that you can solve that problem. What it ignores is I'm personally embarrassing myself when all my tweets look like crap and people are making fun of me for it. There is a gap between the engineering solution and the real world applications of how we deal with this kind of stuff. This is an engineering solution in the same way that now as soon as we've now realized in this post happening world that the way to deal with revenge porn is to assert your copyright over these photos. Now we look for copyright solutions for these problems. And if that is like Chuck points out, well, this is the way it is. If you've got a famous photo that just got taken that you own the rights to, this is how you solve that problem. Yes. And these are reputations. These are lives. This is intimacy. This is something that deserves a level of solution beyond just what we would understand as my copyright. Yeah, I don't love using copyright for some other purpose. And I think in this case, it's actually a very ineffectual tool anyway, because copyright requires it to be published first. And then you send the takedown notice. I don't that's not what people want here. People want to stop it from getting posted in the first place. That's what the system attempts to do. It does. But if you know there was a great thread by Kumail Nanjiani who plays one of the characters on Silicon Valley, they're shooting their new season now and he was saying, Hey, look, we go to a lot of these tech companies and everybody's really excited to show us new features. And then some of them, which may or may not ever see the light of day are have a kind of horrifying privacy implications or these horrifying other implications. And we say, Hey, has anybody thought about this horrifying implication to the product? And the engineer says, looks back at them dumbfounded like nobody's ever asked. Now, who knows exactly, you know, the veracity of that kind of anecdotal story. But I do think that it is a larger idea of how people feel that there is an emotional gap between the rest of society that has fallen in love with Silicon Valley, show me new toys and Silicon Valley itself. And to me, this story, both in the way it's covered and in the way that it's being talked about is emblematic of that that there is a cold response that is, okay, please send us your nudes so we can prevent these from coming out. Whereas the problem is, oh my God, my privacy has been ruptured in the most emotionally damaging way possible. I mean, at the same time, it's like, you know, Facebook is ramping up, you know, its employee numbers and all sorts of avenues to, you know, try to make news better that people are seeing in their feeds. And, you know, for the company to just be like, I don't know, we're not going to tackle the problem of revenge porn and or nudes that are posted, you know, without the consent of the person that the nude is of or is involved with. That would be wrong too. So even though this gives me the queasy, it's like, I kind of feel bad for the Facebook employee who has to look at all this stuff quite frankly. Well, and the other side of it is there was a suggestion yesterday that what if you make the hash locally? What if you what if you do it yourself on the desktop and you submit the hash to Facebook? And the unfortunate side of that is there will be people take advantage of that to block photos that aren't revenge porn, right? Unless someone sees the photo at some point, someone can take advantage of that system. And that's just a fact of life is that people will use systems meant for one thing for something else. And I think Facebook and the government agencies are trying their best to figure that out. Now, that said, as someone who would be using this system, I would want there to be a lot of assurances that the person on the other end verifying my photo is really heavily vetted before I take advantage of this. And that's the problem. And that's it's like, you know, Facebook isn't going to be like, here's the employee profile of the person who has been tasked with all this revenge porn. Please look at their LinkedIn and, you know, you'll see that they're, you know, they're they're upstanding citizen like the company's not going to do that. So that's where it gets weird. It's like, you need a third party, you need a an abuse prevention organization that is widely trusted to step in and do this. But you but you also don't just want a random contractor, right? No, no, no. Who's, you know, taking screenshots of their of their screen that they're looking at this on the Facebook campus? No, the government agency should hand you off to a trusted, you know, like well known, well verified organization that is there to assist people in situations just like this, an anti abuse organization who then creates the hash and hands it over to Facebook. Facebook shouldn't look at it. I would be curious to hear maybe from our community, who that organization would be? Like who's the front runner of like the organization that Facebook should partner with on something like this? Yeah, I mean, a national organization of women could could be one. And so in though, in certain cases, I don't know, I mean, it depends. I mean, a lot of times, I almost think that this would be better as a as a new organization with people that have had experiences in this, in this field before, just so it's not kind of drug into any kind of previous political, right, right. Yeah, the national organization women is very political, so applies to women, because that's not true either. So yeah, it's, you know, it's it's a complicated thing. Certainly. Absolutely. But yes, you know, I didn't mean to subvert your your call, which is which is a good one. Let us know who you think would be trusted. I'd be curious because I'm only familiar with so many of those. Well, thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit submit stories of votes on a daily tech news show dot reddit.com and our Facebook group Facebook dot com slash groups slash daily tech news show. Thank Justin Robert Young for joining us as always what you got going on these days. Well, you know, of course, everybody in Philadelphia, please come on out November 18th. I'm doing a live politics politics politics episode at the Shot Tower coffee in in Philadelphia seven o'clock. That is a Saturday November 18th. We're doing the oral history of Monica Lewinsky scandal. It is a it is very, very excited to talk about it was defining political scandal of my young life is what got me into politics. 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Ryan Johnson, director of the forthcoming Last Jedi, is directing a brand new Star Wars trilogy that will take place with no characters seen in the original trilogy. A trilogy. Yep. You know, a triptych of trilogies. There was the big question after he was like the only director not fired from all these other movies. When, uh, Trevor was gone from nine that he seemed to be the logical guy to take, uh, to take on that. JJ Abrams came back, but this makes that a little bit clearer. If he's taken on there, they're trusting him on a whole new wing of Star Wars lore. Okay. So partway in, I was like, Oh, this makes sense. They liked him. They want him to do one of those standalone. And then you said trilogy and I got really scared. So I'm like, no, don't keep the trilogies. And then you said no current characters. Yeah. And I'm not sure I'm not sure what I ended up thinking now. Now I'm just confused. Well, the writer, director of the Last Jedi, Johnson conceived is from the Lucas film press release. Johnson conceived and realized a powerful film in which Lucas and Disney are immensely proud, interpreting the new trilogy, which is separate from the episodic Skywalker saga. Johnson will introduce new characters from a corner of the galaxy that Star Wars lore has never before explored. No, I know I'm probably just being pessimistic, but having worked in the industry, but it sort of seems like they just want actors that they don't have to pay a crazy amount. I'm sure that's a side benefit. You're not wrong. You know, but people like Brian Brush would have been crying like, give me something new. It's not derivative of the previous movies. And that's what this sounds like. Yeah. Well, and I think it's also like, hey, listen, you know, the original Star Wars fan base, although it spans decades, the higher end of it is a little long on the tooth and probably has, you know, more or less wrapped up their days of buying a lot of silly merchandise. So I can see where this sort of reboot of new characters would make sense. Where are you seeing this? It's on Lucas film. Yeah. Star Wars dot com Star Wars dot because I want to parse this language very closely to see if there's room for Ray and Finn to be in these movies. I would if I were Kathleen Kennedy, that's what I'd want to do is like ditch all the old characters and take Ray and Finn forward. Separate. This is this is the exact word in jeoparding this new trilogy, which is separate from the episodic Skywalker saga. Right. So that's that's all that's all you get. There's a there's a tiny crack there to say like sure, Ray and Finn aren't part of the Skywalker saga anymore. They are their own saga. Yeah. You know, just do whatever you want, Ryan. This movie is as good as the buzz buzz on this movie is really, really good. So just I'm glad he is staying in the fold and he seems like someone they're not going to fire in five minutes. Yeah. No porgs were available for comment is in the actual post. Yes, Lucasville. Well, I mean, that that that whole idea kind of relieves them of having to follow like a pre-made structure of you know, story and character character arcs. And so they could literally clean sheet anything they want. Yeah. I mean, it'd be a bad thing, you know, mind you, but it could be an amazingly good thing, too. I think, you know, Brian Johnson is an insanely talented filmmaker and I'm pumped. I mean, I am I am definitely of the view that especially with a lot of the stuff that is now a lot of it is way too derivative, especially Marvel, because Marvel is built on decades and decades of reusing the same character. And you it's basically like the old, you know, the old Chinese menu, you select your story trove from column A, column B, column C, and then you mix in some additional characters and you have a new storyline and that they've been doing that. They've been doing that. They've done it so much that they had to reboot the universe twice. I don't know. It's it's one of those things that's always kind of bugged me. Marvel Marvel has. Yeah. Marvel has. They've been they've been doing it. They've been doing it since since the 80s. They had the wars. They had the spider clone. They had the House of M. Oh, oh, oh, oh, in in comics, comics. Yeah. Got you. Not the film. Sorry. In the story. So. Yes. The ability, the ability to take a franchise and if they can do it successfully, I think would help a lot because to be honest, a lot of these, not that the movies are bad, but they just kind of have a very similar feel to it. I will say. I saw Thor Ragnarok again. I love that movie. That movie. There's there are some lines that I just I keep repeating. They are those movies. So oh my God, there's as everybody's seen it. No, I have not seen it. Yeah. But not everybody in the audience has seen it. Everybody in the eye. All right. So just. There is there is I will dance around. This is a throw away one liner that has no impact on the story. But a character is appearing in a projection. They're not really there talking to another character. And then. A supporting character just runs in as the projection disappears and kicks the wall and just says piss off ghosts. And then just looks at the other character says, oh, I think he's gone for whatever reason. Piss off ghosts is just in my head. I just can't stop yelling piss off ghosts. OK, what about these other titles in this merch idea? Piss off ghosts. Can they can they trademark like phrases for movies? Probably. Probably. And so I say and be to chip in Logitech restores the harmony. Oh, I'm already exporting the show by now. And I picked check your mark privilege. OK. OK, I can change it. No, I'm just letting you know. Oh, no, don't accept the apple cart. You got any other. But you can you can give some people some shout outs, though. There's all. What was that? Oh, sorry, apparently Anthony Carboni also already did a Star Wars minute about this news because they're the official Star Wars, which means Anthony Carboni knew about this a while ago, which means I'm pissed off because I was drinking with Carboni like a couple of weeks ago, and I was giving them very pointed questions about Ryan Johnson. Did you tell him piss off ghost? Piss off ghost. Intel has has catch up on its chips like that one. Twitter, mistrust and verify you're typing it wrong. Facebook revenge is a photo, not seen. Pity the nude scanning Facebook employee. Yeah, that might be a not so pleasant job. Facebook wants nude book for porn block. We'll see you then join the AT&T team. Roger's not left the building verified before you endorse. Ace the type puts up a black mark on Twitter. Sarah Apple know you're doing it wrong. Piss off ghost. Merge on our terms. Say blue check bungle TNO with your TNA. I'm that Sarah Lane is at the top. What? Yeah, it's not that good. What? It's just not like, yeah, the the the the Apple auto correct as much as this is a crusade that is applied to my life. I don't we didn't talk about it for very long. I'm going with check your mark privilege then. And then it. Yeah. Roger tried valiantly. Yes, you did. Well, I mean, I was just reading off what people put the audience. The view the the the the viewers tried. I didn't want to interrupt the Star Wars conversation because it was well, you know, what's interesting is I just occurred to me. I it's kind of the reason why I like Star Trek Discovery so much is that it's maybe the same universe, but there's none of me except for Sarah. There really isn't any of the visible touch of any of the previous character. Characters that you've seen in the Star Trek universe that, you know, that film that's shown, I like it that way. You need to balance. I love seeing characters' stories continued and finding out more about a world. That's that's why sequels sell so well. But sometimes you're like, gosh, I would like to know something beyond that as well. And I think between Star Trek Discovery and Orville, you're kind of getting the best of both worlds, even though Orville isn't in the same universe. I really have to force myself to watch Orville. You know, I think that part of what made Marvel as a movie franchise so successful is that they didn't care about ditching certain elements so they could just make a better adaptation and they could just make better movies. And that to me is what seems to have hampered my enjoyment specifically of Rogue One. And for a lot of people that hampered their enjoyment of episode seven was this like adherence to these beats need to happen. People are here for blue milk, not for a gritty war movie that happens to take place in this universe. And that's something that I very much hope, Ryan Johnson, is you know, driving towards is is the idea that, look, there is a mythology around Star Wars that doesn't necessarily have to do with this with the Skywalker's, you know, about the war, which would be really fascinating if they could do one that didn't necessarily involve like part of the conflict, right? Whether it's I mean, granted, that's part of that's part of the beef and potatoes of Star Wars. But I mean, it would be kind of neat to do like, hey, what if you did the huts and it's all about their crime syndicate where, you know, it isn't it isn't like this rebellion, like the rebellion and versus the Empire is there, but it doesn't fill the story. Yeah. No, I totally agree. I think that it's it's just such a big, rich, compelling world. And it was such, you know, so much of the charm of the original trilogy was there's always, you know, there's new stuff around every corner. And whether or not it's, you know, it's it's the huts or the walks or Cloud City, like there was just always this like, wow, the big gigantic super imaginative universe. Well, that and that's that's what so amazing about what Lucas did is he made the universe an actual character instead of just kind of a kind of a background character. It made it a character on par with the rest of the cast. And I think that's what makes it so compelling why the expanded universe lasted well, as long as it did after the original series and before the prequels came on the scene because people were just so hungry. What else is happening in this universe? Right? What else is what else happens on Tatooine besides Luke Skywalker? Obviously, there's commerce. Obviously, there's some sort of agriculture, you know, crime syndicate, whatever. And I just, you know, it's so compelling. I mean, when when Lucas shot a lot of the establishing shots, I mean, it took a page out of John Ford, right? Let me make this planet alive. It breathes on its own. It's its own thing. And I think that was kind of missing with Rogue One a little bit. It didn't feel the same. It just felt like it was a backdrop for this larger narrative instead of being threaded into the narrative in the same way. And really, I don't know how much in hindsight I really love the idea of automatically calling it a trilogy. Like, I think that does put a lot of pressure on the movie and it puts a lot of pressure on kind of Ryan Johnson. And also, I just in general, I hate movies that are like, oh, this is the first chapter one and a bunch of stuff doesn't happen. And then you're like, well, yeah, but you got to understand, it's a three part story. It's like, no, that's an excuse to make a boring part one. Like, you know, it was like, I kind of like Prometheus where it's like, oh, no, we're going to do this whole new alien franchise. And it's like, well, just can we just make one? And then I'll really like it and I'll want another one, please. I think we should make a kitty franchise. Didn't they do that with Cat's Eyes, the Stephen King anthology movie? I thought that was oh, no, I'm thinking of Firestarter, totally different. Yeah, I don't remember. Kat's got one of the most successful musicals of all time. They're doing all right. Well, that's true. But played by humans, you know, right, you know, right. Species, real cultural appropriation going on there. Human washed. Human washed. Bipedal washing. Lucy's like, what show is this? Look out of here. I don't like this rhetoric. All right. OK, OK. All right. All right. Hi, Lucy. Hi. In the sky with diamonds. So here's the funny thing about me choosing just choosing the title and going with it. I was checking the feeds just now and I went, oh, crap, somebody already used Check Your Mark privilege. Then I realized it was the RSS feed for Daily Tech News Show that was showing up in my feed already. That's awesome. From when? From just now. Oh, crap today. Because I published it just now. Like, crap, crap. Yeah. From one minute ago, basically. Well, um, Check Your Mark privilege. No, it's fine. Whoop, whoop. Yeah, yep, yep, yep. Here's the thing. Some people have different tastes than other people. And I think there were. No, that's not true. People who liked the blue milk and Kathleen Kennedy knows that and she's like, and there are people who hated the blue milk and I'm going to have Ryan Johnson make movies for them. I think that's what's going on. I don't think it's people that hate the blue milk. I just think they weren't. Especially concerned with it. I'm trying to short use shortcuts, obviously, in my analysis. But it wasn't all about blue milk, I know. I've always wondered, is it really blue or I always thought it was just a cup that was blue. Yeah, I think I thought that, too, in the early days. And it's like, wow, they have queues and arts in the long, long time ago, but in the can. And bok choy. Yeah. They have giant musk ox. Well, you know, bok choy is probably an ancient vegetable. Came from a galaxy far away. Far, far away. You know, bok choy didn't grow anywhere. So guys, I have a big news about my assimilation to California and the Bay Area, specifically. I have donated my car to chair. Whoa, that's almost a New York move. Look at you. It's a well, the last time I gave away, I was carless. I did live in. I lived. What kind of was the impetus for this? So you could get in parking tickets and I don't really use it all that much. And not only is, you know, UberLift kind of just solve a lot of the problems. Also, there's like an embarrassment of options for like they have these gig cars now that are just all over the city that you can park one way. You can just park them on the street without worrying about, you know, paying a meter or anything. So, you know, just got to the point where it's like, why do I really have it? And could I, if I took what I spend in insurance, screw gas, just insurance, like that's literally just Ubering everywhere without thinking about it ever. Yeah. Yeah. That's, you know, if I wasn't in the middle of a lease, I would get rid of my car for the insurance reason alone. Yeah. I just, I just paid my insurance. It went up 100 bucks when I moved down here. Well, you know, you get, you get whatever prorated back after you pay it, if you cancel it. Well, yeah, but I need my car. That's yeah. Yeah. But seven years I lived without a car was the best. I didn't have to worry about oil changes, gas, and sure any of that parking. Yeah. Once you have a little one, it becomes a lot more problematic to like need to get, I don't know, go from point A to point B. I mean, yes, and Uber could do most of that stuff, but you, you know. Yeah. I got to go to Target and buy a lot of stuff. And how are you going to do that? Well, it's the multi it's the multi point trips, right? Yeah. Where it's like, oh, I'll just leave that stuff in the truck. And suddenly I'm well, I can't do that with Uber or Lyft. Oh, that's where those rental those short term rental services come in handy. So yeah, I'm going to and I'll say what as as annoying as the one eight seven seven cars for kids ads are they I understand why they are efficient. I literally made a decision walking to a bar to do this. And by the time that I sat down, I had been I was able to submit over the over the phone on their mobile on just the mobile web page. But they called me the local tow truck driver called me and gave me all the instructions that I need to do to just leave stuff in my glove box. Wow. I don't even need to that. I that's one thing that's one thing I can always tell when I'm in the Bay area is you hear that song one eight hundred. Don't I mean that I found out yesterday on Twitter when I was asking about this that there is a visceral reaction that people have to that. So yes, that jingle is blankets the region. Five eight eight two three hundred seven seven empire. And throw it out of some people's heads anyway. One of these days if I get flooring, I might call them or might try to do it myself. Make a mess of it. All right, folks, thanks for watching today. It's great to have you back, Sarah. Yeah, good to be back. And I'll be back tomorrow as well. We will. Goodbye.