 Why do, um, why do little girls squeal? What? My children, little girls. Yes. Like my daughter. Reminds me of the Oingo Boingo song, little girls. Do you know that song? No. Why do they squeal? No, she can, like, Leland and Killian, they don't squeal. They scream and they yell. She squeals. For the same reason that when they go through puberty, their voices will be lower. It's- She's a girl. It's piercing. It is. It pains the earlobes. Does she do it when you're holding her? No. Oh, that's good. It is when I'm not holding her. Well, if you were holding her, then that would be right in the earhole. Her brothers are trying to take something from her. She goes, Yep. Yes, no. It's definitely, yes, girls- Little girls squeal. Ear piercing. Hey, welcome back to our Stubborn XCub Corbin. I'm a little girl. You can follow us on Instagram, Twitter for more juicy content. Thank you very much for watching. Patreon, follow us to the account and subscribe to like button. Yeah. And today we're doing a movie review. And it's of the new 2023 film, Joram. Hello, Shahrukh. Oh, sorry. Yes, Joram. Joram. And we actually got to see this because of Indian Film Festival of Los Angeles. It comes out, it might already be out by the time you're seeing this. Waited to put the review out. Yeah, I think it just opened. Yeah. We got to put the review out closer to the time of its release. But it's a new Manoj, our Dost Manoj Bajpayee's film directed by, say that name for me please. Yes, Devashish Makija. I hope I pronounced that correctly. Also wrote and produced a part of it. He was part of the producing team as well. Yes. And this was part of the lineup of the Indian Film Festival of Los Angeles. Yes. So, since this is very new and also very probably underscreened as well. Yeah. I'm sure there's not going to be a huge amount of screens, like animal or something like that. But, so this will be primarily non-spoiler. And then if we want to get into the spoilers, we will tell you before we get there. Right. But since it's new and it's limited screens, I'm sure that's what we're going to do. Rick, your initial thoughts, non-spoiler thoughts of Joram. I sent our Dost a message. Who? Manoj. He's our Dost. After... When did we interview him? Yeah. Oh, wow. Cool. And the message I sent to him was, just watch... I do better. I said, just watch Joram. Thank you so much for consistently choosing to do such elevative and artistically superior projects. Can't wait to review this on our channel and encourage everyone to see it. A wonderful film at every level. I've been so excited to do this review so that we could start telling y'all, please go support the film. Yes. I loved it. I loved it. It was an absolutely... I really enjoyed it as well. It was a fantastic lineup for Indian Film Festival Los Angeles. As you guys know, even though it's not out yet, Berlin also. I don't know when that comes out. It was part of the Indian Film Festival Los Angeles. Yeah. And then there was a Malayalam one as well. Yeah. And another one, but I forget. But, yeah. Joram. Sorry. I shouldn't have popped a candy in my mouth. No, I better start talking. Okay. Yeah. What'd you think? I love Minoja. He makes choices that an artist makes. Obviously, he's at a point in his career where he can do whatever he wants, obviously, right? Yes. And you do... Why were you... You were joking when you said... When you were questioning... I just thought it'd be funny. Oh. If you said do... Like do... One of our do... Just do better. No, no. Before that, he's... For a split second, I thought you questioned if he was a ghost. It was a joke. Oh, okay. Stop. Yes. Stupid. But he makes choices that an artist makes. Yes. Obviously, he can do whatever he wants. Obviously, and I'm sure has and will do stuff because money. Because you gotta make money. But he's clearly at a place now where he has enough projects to work on where I don't think that's something he has to consider at all. He's at a beautiful place, I think, where he has the luxury that all actors strive for to be able to choose projects based on the fact that it stimulates you artistically. In order to be able to do these projects, you do need to be able to make money. Yeah, you need to make a living. These do not, obviously, pay. No. You know, let's say animal, or the one that most recently came out, right? No, but I would really hope that if you've asked... Well, no, it's bad for you to be in a film. You're gonna compensate him well enough. Yeah, but these are independent films that he probably just wants to do because it stimulates him artistically. For all we know, he didn't get paid to die, man. Maybe. Who knows? But yeah, that's my favorite thing. Other actors of his echelon of noirs, we've seen do big commercial stuff because obviously money, right? Sure. But obviously then he'll do other things that are... Like the one he did earlier this year, Hadi, right? Mm-hmm. That I'm sure are more artistically stimulated him. Him, just in the recent memory of his most recent stuff, he's like, I'm just gonna do a bunch of stuff that I'm really gonna enjoy. Yeah. And he's such a phenomenal actor. Like I know Irfan is the most effortless actor around, but Manoj, man, is he right behind him? Yeah, and there's a lot we can talk about, not just for him, but I thought the story and script were fantastic. It's a human interest story that we'll talk more about in a minute and I'm especially captivated. Every frame of film that Smita També was in was, I didn't want to stop watching her. She's... Everyone in the cast is fantastic and it's not a surprise that another dose of ours. If you ever see the name Abhishek Banerjee attached to casting, the acting is going to be superlative. It just always is. And this is the same for this. It's a great story. The best thing about this for you to know going in if you haven't seen it, and I think you could expect this because this is pretty much the hallmark of a Manoj Bajpa-e film in recent years, is that what you're gonna get is just a nice page unfolding interest story that you're just gonna want to continue to pay attention to because you care about the people, you want to know what's going on and it never leaves you disinterested and I just enjoyed it from start to finish. Yeah. It pretty quickly brings a... I don't know if it's called a twist per se, but something that happens in the film and you're like... Yeah, it's unexpected. And it's very sad. It's unexpected. I would say it's not necessarily a... Maybe it is a twist, but it is. It's very realistic, it's very justified. And they automatically care for it. They automatically care. And you feel for them. You feel for them and it's interesting because one of the things I wrote down in a description of the film is that it shows you, this isn't a spoiler, but it does more than show you in this human interest story for more than one character. You're watching these characters and it does more than go into the nature versus nurture prospect of psychology of what makes a person a person. But it goes into what I wrote down is the greedy machinations that chew people up and spit them out and what happens when they are put into impossible circumstances. The kind of thing of what would I do if I was put in that circumstance? How far would I go? To the point of someone who would say, for example, I would never steal. Is there a circumstance you'd be put in where you would? Yeah, I'd go to Walmart and fuck that company. That's what I'm saying. Is there a situation where you say I would never kill somebody? Well, is there a person... I would never say that. Is there a plate you could be in? That's the kinds of things that this gets into and there's some stuff done with... There's so many I love simple profundity. And there's a lot of that in this film, especially toward the end. There's some things done with show don't tell, just some cinematic things that are shown that tell you so much about what the story is wanting to convey. It's a really intelligent, nothing but superlatives for the film. And at the end, it also leaves you with questions of what exactly and who exactly. Yes, what now, who now. And did, didn't. Right. Am I... Who was I? Yeah, exactly. You start wondering, oh, was I rooting for the right person? Yeah. And so it leaves you with questions and it doesn't spoon feed the audience. Not at all. It's so intelligent. Into what it wants. And it also doesn't give you all the answers. It lets you as the audience kind of determine for yourself what you think happened, which I enjoy the style of films. The analogy that goes into my mind about this film, so the ocean floor is littered with oysters. And I mean that in regard to the cinematic universe right now is littered right now with screens filled with things. That if you open them up and look into them, there's nothing there. This is the one that when you open it up, there's a gem inside. And I would, in my dream of dreams, I would love to see this thing just launch itself into the top spots of box office success. It's not going to get it primarily because it doesn't have the distribution, but this is the kind of film that deserves all the box office love it can get because the producers deserve to see return on investment and be told, please make more films like that. Yeah, I would caution people in terms of don't go. And I actually didn't see the trailer because obviously we had our, it's from the Indian Film Festival in Los Angeles so we didn't react to it. But the, it's not an action film. And so don't go in. Did the trailer maybe show up that way? I don't know. Yeah, it's not action. It has some action sequences. It's a drama. Yeah, but like it's a drama. I'd say 95% plus drama. Yeah, I don't know why. On IMDbPro it shows action and adventure. There's some suspense. There's some suspense. It's primarily a drama. But don't go in expecting action, please. It's not that. I would not classify it. Yeah, no. Go in expecting a great story that keeps you engaged. Fantastic as good as it gets acting. And I don't know how you can't walk away from this and not like it unless you just, you know, have your attention span is three seconds and you need to be stimulated with more than just great stories about people. I did appreciate the slow, like the director didn't seem to be in a rush. Yeah. Not in a rush like, you know, like animal. I didn't want to cut anything out of it. But more than like, I'm good with this moment. I'm good, I'm good sticking with this moment where there's maybe not even any dialogue. And you just stay in the moment. And keep it small. It's beautiful because with that being said, it's still trimmed all the fat. The run time is perfect. Yeah. It's barely just over two hours. And it just goes by. Because like I said, there's just so many moments you just can't stop. You want to watch and see what's happening. You're a fly on the wall in these people's lives. There's so much you don't know. And then you find out something else and you want to know more. It's really, really good. Obviously, Manoj is Manoj, but I just genuinely what did you think about the other roles? Particularly, I mentioned her, Smita. I thought she was just... You're saying the villain. Yeah, the main... Is she an actress? The woman out to get somebody. Yeah, yeah, gotcha. Is she an actress or is she... She was in Joanne. In Sacred Games. She wasn't the idiot at the end. I think so. Yeah, I think that's her. I think that's her. No, she is not. I could be wrong. All I remember... There's no delay. She was the idiot at the end of Sacred Games. I don't remember. I just know that... If you've seen Sacred Games in our reaction, you know what I'm talking about. For me, she... You know, sometimes you watch a role in a film and you enjoy the role and you think they're great and you think of some other actors that you would have loved to see the role, not because they didn't do a good job, but just because, wow, it would have been interesting to watch them portray that character. And then there's some characters that no one else should touch that role. That's how I felt about her. She was so perfect in this role. This is how good I think she was because I am shocked that she's actually an actress. I thought she was like a local tribal higher. That speaks volumes about how good she was. Because she looked it. And the way she just... Her stillness... Is beautiful. I don't know if she was directed that way or that's what she decided to come with. Whatever it was. But it was like a normal... Especially if you're an unexperienced actor, the tendency is to do more. Because you're like, I need to fill the screen with action. And even you make that choice, but also there's the points where once you get on set and it's time to go, you feel excited as a person. You're on set, you're doing the work you love to do. It's very difficult for a lot of people unless they get the experience in their training to turn that off. Because the camera is just going to see it and it's going to come off as big and performative. And I thought her stillness especially was great. Her, she had great eyes. Great eyes. Yeah, she did a... Just... I think everybody did a very good job. I don't think there was... I loved his wife in this. Yep, me too. She did a fantastic job. There's one. There's Vanu. That's the character name. I'm looking back to her. Look at it here. Yeah, Tanisha Chatterjee. Yeah, his wife. Tanisha Chatterjee played Vanu, his wife. Oh, she was imparched. Oh, wow. Yeah, another great acting job done by her. Oh, yeah, she was great. There's one... I don't know if you'd really call it a flaw, more just a... obviously they had to do it so they can continue the story. Wait, are we getting the spoilers? Yeah, I guess we can. Okay, so anyways, if you haven't seen it, please go watch it. Please do watch the film. Once again, we don't do this. This is not a sponsored video. We don't recommend something unless we love the film. But please go watch it and then come back. We're going to get into some spoils. There's probably not going to be a ton because I would like everybody to watch the film. But if you haven't watched it, please go watch it. Come back, okay? Spoiler, spoiler, spoiler. Spoilers now. The one... I'm looking at her. The one thing that I did throughout the movie, I was like, boy, is that the most agreeable baby I've ever seen. I have children that were recently around this day, and they said she was three months, she was way older than three months. Well, you always have to do that. That's normal for film. That's not what I have an issue with. But this baby is constantly running on the chest, on the back, and let me tell you that having babies in that, they are good for a limited amount of time, maybe mostly while they are asleep. And especially at this age, when she's probably still breastfeeding, they will not be quiet for hours and hours and hours. And I was like, every scene, I was like, wow, this baby is so good. It's a good baby. I get it. They had to do the carry on the story. That was the one, if you want to call it a flaw that I saw in the film, because I was like, I would have liked to see a little more struggle with trying to keep this baby a little quiet because it would be a struggle traveling with a small baby like this. Yes. It would be a big struggle. I think they make up for that because I see what you're saying. It didn't bother me. It didn't bother me, but that was the biggest flaw I could see in the film. But I think they made up for it in the fact that it's very, very, very, very, very difficult to maintain believability if a baby is a primary character in a film. It's really difficult because you often times, especially in a film like this, there's a lot of times where there's no way they're using the actual baby. They have to use a dummy baby. And it didn't ever leave its believability. And that's also a testament not just to the director and the team that did the creation of the fake baby. It's a testament to Manoj to be able to make us believe that at every given moment we had a baby in our arms, especially in the action sequences because there's absolutely moments where you could have just watched it and go, okay, yeah, that was stupid. That would never happen. And that didn't happen. But I agree. Really well-behaved baby. Very well-behaved baby. Having three myself. I had young ages right now. What did you think about just cutting to the chase? Basically right when they arrive at the mines from that point to the end, what did you think? Because that for me just was a fantastic climate. I really, really enjoyed it. Also, I love that it left you with the question of... Obviously, he didn't do it in terms of killing his wife. But he also technically killed quite a few police officers. Technically, right? And was the one holding the rope? Yep. And so I think it left you with more questions of like, one, how good of a... What do they call these? The rebel fighters. The rebel fighters. Yeah. How good of... Because obviously he said he left it. And was kind of forced into it. Yeah, because he wanted to give up the gun. One, was he telling the truth there? Right. Or did he do something? Well, I think that's one of the reasons why we're shown him... The last shot is basically him shooting, kills a guy that's obviously trying to kill him. But then you just hit off into the sun. I thought for a second that he jumped over something and it was like a cliff and I thought he was... Because it left me, it went blank. And then in the credits that he was running. You heard the sound, right? But at first I was like, did he just die? And then obviously that's not what happened. But yeah, it was... I liked that it left you with a bunch of different questions of like... Yeah. Is he who I thought? Even in the end. Why? Does he get away? Yeah. I love that we don't know if he gets away. And they gave us enough for us to see there was a side of him that clearly wasn't doing what they were doing to the son of the woman and that he's trying to offer some compassion to him which makes you empathize with him yet at the same time we don't know how deviant was his behavior. Is he genuinely repentant and contrite about it? Or is he pretending repentance and contrition to get away? I loved a couple of things about the climax sequence. First of all, I loved the symbolism of us seeing the machines eating the ground and what that means in terms of, like I wrote the word machinations, of government taking what it wants to feed its appetite from the natural resources of the land and it's been that way for ages. I mean, it's just nonstop, this greedy... All over the world. And it was more than just capitalism. It was just pure greed being embodied in that moment in the mind at the tree where he used to swing with the love of his life. That place for the people is now just this dead, empty place being devoured by the machine and I loved that car sequence. The way that the director and the DP decided to shoot that scene where the other cop is outside the window, he's on the other side and he's wanting to get into the car and she's there and there's the tension and you don't know is someone gonna get shot or someone not gonna get shot and they don't let us see it all the time and they just feel like we're in the car with them. And there were points I caught myself, it goes like this and I don't get to see her face because Manoj is blocking frame and I wanted to look and I thought, genius, that's called making a frame dirty where you want to not frame it cleanly and it worked and then the gun goes off and who got shot? Did Jorm get shot? Did Manoj get shot? Did the cop get shot? Did she get shot? It was just so good. It was the end sequence specifically because it was when he came in and his wife was brutally murdered. Heart breaking. Both me and my wife on that scene came because it was not really something that you expected that specifically. No, you don't. And so you come in and we were like, oh. And it's a tell-tale sign because we've seen that position before and it's a signal, it's like the calling card saying we know who did this based on the fact that she's hanging upside down like that. And I was sad because I had already gotten attached to her and attached to him and the fact that they're trying to survive and it makes you at that point think, okay, they're the protagonists and the person who did that's the antagonist but then it starts to do this. And I'm sure because it sounded like he definitely altered his dialect. Obviously I can't tell specifically, we're still not there. I saw the comments on the Dunkey trailer and people getting pissed at SRK's Punjabi accent. Oh, really? Yeah. We would never know that, unfortunately. It was like Gully Boy. Everybody said he nailed the... It sounded good to us but there's no way we'd be able to tell Indians can, obviously. Probably never will. Yeah, exactly. Obviously we can. It's probably as obvious to you guys as a Boston or a New Yorker accent. She's the one for watching something. Ask Androni and say, is they nailing the accent and she'll know. I can tell that his voice is different and that he definitely... It wouldn't be shocked if he nailed where he was trying to be from but it sounded good to me. It's Manosh. He brings such effortlessness in a similar way but a different way that Yerfan does. Yeah, there's just... So there's a level of expertise in acting. So the first level of expertise, in my opinion, is whether or not you're believable doing what you do and you have people who you're working with that can affirm that and confirm that, whether it's a teacher or a coach or other actors, right? Then you actually do it in front of an audience or you do it on film and you get feedback from other people that you have believability and then the next level is you're doing it enough that now you're working as an actor. And then there's the next level and that's the Manosh Bajpayee. That is the Radhika Aptes. That is the Nawazid and Siddhikis. The Kamalasans. They're the ones that... They're not just working all the time but they're just consistently as good as an actor can be. It's like watching... You know... You can't get any better at the instrument than Astaji Sakir Hussein. You can't get any better at dancing than Prabhudeva. You can't get any better at acting than Manosh Bajpayee. Just as good as it gets. Just as good as his recent string of films. He's just a beautiful, wonderful actor. Obviously he's our Dost and we are excited for everything that he's going to do in the future. I haven't even looked what he's got in the hopper. Obviously Family Man. Kira. Good, good, good. These shows they've got episode 3 in the can. Oh, Soup is one that... We saw a teaser of that. We saw a teaser for Soup a while back. It wasn't even this year. It was 2022. We saw it in 2022 as a tease and I texted him because it's a TV series and it was like a Quentin style. It felt like... What did he tell you? He said you're going to love it this year. Weird, right? Anyways, let us know if you've seen it already. What you think about it and what should be the next Manoj Bajpayee film that we should watch. Let us know down below.