 like ish too much one ish however long it takes for dream labs to tell everybody I'm alive probably now ish probably now now ish the gauntlet why why do you hate women what I was gonna say is you know today's my birthday oh yeah it is it is yeah I'm turning like I don't know 64 and like we're gonna go to a restaurant for dinner and you know what I'm gonna order I'm going to order some beautiful spaghetti bolognese and I tell you what I tell you what if they come on give me shepherds pie instead of spaghetti boys I don't give a damn how good that shepherds pie is I want my buddy spaghetti bolognese I totally will I will like I don't want ship it's pie I want bloody spaghetti bolognese those creatures what do they know you know cuz spaghetti bolognese is this and shepherds pie is that when you want this you don't want that same but it's important had all words are made up so who cares languages for reason okay I'm sorry I didn't understand what you're saying there we are language yeah yeah I was shame on me also fingers like this is spaghetti bolognese made for kids though I'm also back from the dead I found out I didn't I wasn't aware that I had died but I had died all right and the chronicles is the chronicles of the epic Spooderman Wars like it was it was a but I'm back I force myself back from the grave so I can have my spaghetti bolognese yeah you were saying something about Captain Marvel and I rudely interrupted you I didn't know if you wanted to carry on with it what was I saying oh yeah just that I'd like her powers defined because like I said it looks like she's been given a significant power increase in the MCU she's stronger than what I saw her depicted in both the comic books and cartoons that she's in and can she like literally fly or fly across space now travel because that's that's insane when did that come to power come out I think what I'm definitely be repurposed for other things it really can if you fly sorry if you can fly the speed of light just fly at the speed of light through Thanos cool you win the entire thing of like travel cap so light speed engine light speed is not that fast if you go on an interplanetary you know level like if you're traveling across the galaxy it's not that fast but it has to be for the story to work so she flies faster than the speed of light you know the implication that they watched like they went through a couple of sci-fi tropes just before they did their thing they're like what's this what's this hyperdrive warp starburst time jumble jump points like what is all this nonsense why don't they just go at light speed yeah it's just like cool like all the other shows look at them like I mean I I do wonder because if you write something like that it's it's um have you ever watched any science fiction TV shows or movies before they all go out of their way to explain that like light speed isn't good enough when you're trying to travel between different solar systems and you know planets or galaxies but you know who cares that movies terrible the other broken thing because like you know I like science guys and I only have a rudimentary understanding of it but even when you just do a surface level kind of study on it you find out some pretty significant implications like the amount of energy needed to accelerate anything with mass up to light speed it's infinite you need infinite energy so even if you're traveling like a fraction under light speed the amount of energy that you have to produce and is contained in this thing is insane and that's why there's so much power if you ever impact anything moving at light speed with mass into anything else so the the energy release the kinetic energy release is just it planet destroying it's crazy that's the thing is with with a lot of these science fiction things you kind of just have to like go with it because often reality kind of ruins science fiction stuff like not not that it ruins science fiction but more that it's like oh we can't do that we can't do that oh man I can't tell my story now like necessarily and then you try to find creative ways that were there are definitely ways around I mean like the wormhole thing is the is the most obvious one it's like oh we're using wormhole jumps it's like wormholes are theoretical as far as I can remember but uh but that can still work or just like yeah we've just found a way to make it work but Captain Marvel just a human being flying like how can she breathe in space what was that thing that you do it's just like cool I guess I can do this now and not die how'd she know that she could even do that she flew back into space but she didn't know fundamental about captain Marvel she doesn't learn how to use anything she just does it yeah like when she's falling from space it's like cool guess I can fly now how does she even know that's something she could do as rags in our Lord the Rings coverage Mary and Pippin learn how to use a sword for longer than well raid didn't yeah but the same applies Captain Marvel she trained how to do and which she doesn't use at all I yeah we were we were watching Lord of the Rings for maybe for an upcoming eFat movies I won't confirm or deny any of that but we noticed that uh while we were watching it we're like oh hey Mary and Pippin had more training than raided and we're not even being silly that's actually true and even the even the early fights are a form of training like if you look at the first real fight they get into in Mordor they're not fighting that well but they're just managing and they're learning from that and then they're a bit better in the next fight and it's a gradual progression yeah it's almost like it was well-written it'll just be boring emotionally I'd love to see Shadow just right have that argument that would be so funny yeah I'm open to anything about this statement you should be more focused on emotional payoffs than you should intellectual consistency see I like I find so many contradictions in that statement because what you don't think intellectual consistency is a necessary component to have good emotional payoff like it's a very like and if you if there's no intellectual consistency for the emotional payoff it robs the emotional it doesn't make sense like I shared this example with you just perform all I'll say it again like you know that scene between Rose and and Finn at the end of last year I where it's trying to be all emotional and then she says something that is contradictory and stupid and then and then just thought the whole thing lead up to it where you know Finn was actually gonna potentially do something very heroic and brave and save everyone and then she starts she looks like I was really looking forward to that because I was like wow is he wow this might actually be something here this might be something about Finn's journey if he had died there oh sure yeah I've had something in terms of a defense for him I'd be like at least you know dot dot dot but yeah she delivers probably the worst line in all of Star Wars just because it's probably the most blatant contradiction ever and you kind of like understand how this went through so many different systems of like or like layers of you know the actors say in the writing that the re-edits the actors saying it the people watching it back like what do you get there's a big laser destroying everyone yeah can you imagine being the VFX guy it's just like you see that lighter then you just start making the laser blow up the place and just like okay everyone dies oh good one rose and you want that explosion right after she says it you don't want to give it a minute fucking kill everyone so people might actually look at that scene and feel a lot of emotionality and stuff in my opinion it like I feel that would be because you're not really thinking about what's happening what the meaning the you know the actual meaning behind what she says and stuff because when you do you're like oh oh yeah if they say I love it because it's so true that you should the only conflict in life should come from defending those you love rather than attacking those you hate I mean profound did you be like like that's not even the conflict in the film though like most of it to be do you know though did defending those she loves space earlier actually contradicts a moral philosophy that has existed for a long time and it's that the only thing that evil needs to triumph is for good men to do nothing which is basically if good people don't oppose evil evil will triumph and stuff like that well I mean you know you it's a completely unrealistic mentality to have like it would be like saying we shouldn't be invading Normandy we need to just tell them that we love them it's like yeah like don't go anywhere don't go anywhere Germany leave Germany alone but defend the places Germany come after and it's like guys not gonna they'll just regroup and yeah if she said that holder was attacking them in order to defend those she loves it's like so what the fuck do you think Finn was doing exactly you know when I was watching that scene all I thought was you could have very easily killed both of you like you could have easily blown yourself up while crashing into him it's like what good I'd never been so deflated seeing a hero get in this I remember sitting in the cinema like wanting because the film I was so confused what was going on and then all of a sudden the same like there was a bit of emotion here someone was gonna get killed and she crashes into him and I remember like oh I was like wait what just happened it's a real shame that she didn't crash into his helicopter thingy or whatever the fuck it was and like no I'll do it instead and then she runs off and just throws herself at it and does nothing yeah it would have been really awkward to film but if she bashed him out of the way and took the hit herself I'd have been like oh right what hit like if she went into the house to stop it do you think do you think she kissed him against his will just just sure that's a yes because he has a crush on what would you do with Rose just rose he goes up and kissed you how would you feel probably not grand like you know all this me too stuff is like well what about Finn all the galaxy and this is the one that had to kiss me on the lips I like that that was the best take and I look on his face is he's horrified and they just yep that's a wrap we got we gotta go to lunch guys all right wrap it up and then the realization that he dragged and dumpy corpse all the way over the field he just dragged nobody nobody we just like blow up those two guys there uselessly while Kylo and Luke are having this standoff you just see him pulling her in the background right next to him they're like 10 feet away and they had this wait and stop is like it's all right sorry to give you a second yes I can we're almost done what would when they were dragging past were they just trying to ignore what was going on were they watching what was going on like it's just yeah I was like does Finn know who Luke is I forget a carbon brief they're like aware of him but seemingly nobody is aware of the original heroes they're all like legends for some reason even though their name should be well-known and widespread because all this sequel trilogy does is say that everything that they did didn't do shit that's all coming to a full head in the new episode with Palpatine return it's like yeah and then we can see you know nunchuck lightsabers I mean everything's back you got a bigger vision of the death star came back the back the star destroyer got a thousand stars JJ Abrams man not even once he did it thousands underestimating I think it's gonna be more it's gonna be a brilliant no it's gonna be infinite have you heard the rumor that the death star destroyers that each one has the power of a death star gonna destroy a planet oh yeah well I'm strong as infinity plus one death smoke star lasers galaxy bomb done a giant death star now we'll do a thousand death stars and they're all gonna point Luke and he's gonna break the force and JJ will be like see that's what they wanted that's what the fans wanted and then you'll get all those video essays they're like this was terrible because you gave the fans what they wanted you gave into them instead of doing what Ryan did what I'm just ruining everything they treat like it's a dichotomy don't they you remember all those hyperbolic arguments they were like oh everyone at Luke just jump around the battlefield and destroy everything that's what they wanted but I mean I would have I would have preferred seeing Luke actually do something yes I would have preferred that yes you you cracked the case you want to see a Jedi be a Jedi what's wrong with you I do like the implication that there are only two possible ways to make a film make it bad and what people want or make it good and nobody likes it apparently the version is that is if you talk about the originals getting together in any scene whatsoever that would have been the worst thing possible like there would have been no way to write that that was exciting and good to see it just would have been pandering to the audience and terrible and it's like I feel like you could have introduced new characters without ruining the old ones what can I say you know maybe that was possible you could have told a story that wasn't just undermining the entire point of the original trilogy that that's kind of the reason why we're making yeah yeah if it's to survive it has to evolve they say in a world where Call of Duty exists and is like the biggest selling game every year they say as writers stabbing stars in the heart repeatedly if he has to change it I'm saving it can't you see I'm saving it and I think I think I've mentioned this to a couple of people at this point because his new movies coming out called knives out and it's getting really good reviews and I kind of just don't buy it because he hasn't really made anything good from a writing standpoint everything good that he's made someone else wrote so I don't really I'm unconvinced he's saying all the right things it has a literal Nazi in it so that I'm so sad why is he frowning getting good reviews well they taught themselves to be a literal Nazi from the internet that's one of the characters the forms that don't like Star Wars and like oh these are Nazis right by the way they are let's see if Game of Thrones wins for best writing wouldn't that be great I know someone's gonna send me an article saying Game of Thrones wins X amount of Emmys and I'll just be like it only matters if they win the writing one I don't mind them winning anything else if they win the writing at me what about direction what about direction yeah the choreography is there a choreography Oscar no I don't know it just be it just be directing I don't know but what if I made one just for Game of Thrones oh well the reason why I think is I'd be I'd be upset annoyed with those ones but the writing that's like you know this is well that you know I am last night I was rewatching the you know battles from Lord of the Rings and I was just so thoroughly impressed by them and then I think about the Winterfell one I'm just like yeah you don't deserve to win anything for that yeah you got great sets and you got good special effects but like what is happening in this battle is absurd it was the bad progression you need for a fight seem to be what what progression was there that they ran in a suicidal charge in complete and utter blackness and I think close to look what I'm talking about is progression it's just because progression is almost fabulous like yes things happened and yet he said there was no progression in endgame despite a very clear objective of getting the gauntlet to the time machine wow Fringy why are you trying to hate on someone who's just trying to share their opinion one of the things I wanted to mention today I don't know if this will be I know the rags and bringable care about this I don't sure if I care well but Randy Pitchford's thing on Twitter that Borderlands 3's peak players is more than twice Borderlands 2's on Steam and so okay he said wow you guys are great like he's basically doing a victory lap but like like I read that I was like hang on first of all Borderlands is a really successful like franchise so naturally the players will increase if it's you know healthy but where are these numbers from who confirmed these because I don't think epic don't have their numbers public today I'm curious also I'm hearing a lot about quality issues with Borderlands 3 I am too yeah I'm hearing our framerate issues performance issues across all platforms that's what I've been hearing and the irony is that we expect that one to be the one that's gonna be high-performing and it's pissed everyone off this year and then vice versa call of duty the laughing stock yeah most of time is proving to be quite fun this time yeah I've already got a bunch of people saying I'll play the bait with me yeah it's fun yeah I've been playing it to be honest with you I'm pretty much sold I'll probably buy the game when it comes out yeah same here it feels like it oddly feels like I'm playing back in like 2008 2009 it does feel like the older ones I was enjoying it and it did it did feel like a blast from the past I mean it's weird because Carl just was to be dead as far as I was aware like I thought it was a embarrassing sort of franchise it was well it has been a long time like I think the last one I bought was black ops 3 and the last one I actually enjoyed was black ops 2 that came out 2012 the last one that I played and enjoyed I think was advanced warfare I didn't really like advanced warfare apparently that was that was pretty that was pretty mixed I just liked it because it was really new and silly yeah it depends on if you play campaigns as well because the campaign for that game is very much wasted potential it presents an idea that's interesting and then just ruins it by being a big you know blockbuster kind of thing whereas with this this modern warfare they seem to be going a little bit more grounded from like you may have been hearing the article was right but IGN they they posted an article where they were very negative about the campaign yeah oh and it was them it was I know that venture beat wrote an article whining about it and it was Dean Takahashi he wrote that the cup fame cuphead infamy cup fame cup fame no that I mean the thing is is when I read the article and they said what it was about I'm like this actually sounds interesting for the first time in a long time this sounds interesting it might be interesting I might like to play this it's not just there's our tanks and there's their tanks killer tanks well I mean from what I from what I read it's actually being like it seems like it's going to be very critical of of the means by which you know goals are achieved in modern warfare that seems to be the the point of the story based on the things that it's mentioning like you know children having to you know survive in a town that's being raided by soldiers and special ops forces you know injecting themselves into a combat zone where there are civilians and it's nighttime and everything's happening too quickly to you know make the right decisions so that sounds really interesting and you know I don't want you telling them that they shouldn't be trying to do that because it offends you like fuck off I want to see this outside of a wonderful plague doctor did everyone here get told that they were going to be unverified at one point in the past week yeah I guess am I the only one who who was not told this you actually might be the only one that might actually because you you're a published author at this point they could be because I was wondering why like and I feel a bit we like why why am I getting any special treatment because and I think I must be right I or I just I'm under the radar but it could be the fact that I'm an all I'm published now and if you google my name a couple of hits come up so that might be it but man what a stupid decision though all right yeah upon further inspection you're not who you said you are sorry even though even though we literally mailed you a plaque with your name and everything on it we can't really be sure that you're who you say you are and the reasons they were given because there's such good utility in it you know having the verified thing particularly if another channel comments on one of your videos and you they stand out it's like oh because I heard someone mention I forget who it was but like they really like seeing other creators comment on their YouTube channels because it means that you know you get to know who's watching a potential opportunity for collaborations and things and that's the exact same thing for me it's a it's a really useful important feature they flipped quicker than I thought they would well I was going to say so it's period which surprised me developed issues and saying to our creators and users I'm sorry for the frustration and hurt we've caused with our new approach to verification and I'm just like what did you expect what did you think people gonna be okay with this I think I said this to a rag the other day but I was like how many creators did they expect would not appeal how many careers every single literally everyone would would be like no I earn that shit you can't just take it away the original reasoning was that it had caused confusion isn't that what I originally said yeah but I mean so we're gonna take it away I heard that and I this isn't verified this is probably rumor but there is some validity to it I think that YouTube might have been concerned that the tick could have been interpreted as YouTube approving of the contents and and therefore they didn't want that you know to happen they didn't want to because anyway stupid enough maybe change the name to YouTube social credit system and then you know that that's all you need to do at that point because it's probably gonna be the same thing as Twitter where you can have somebody who's got like 2,000 followers and they're verified and then you have someone with 400,000 who's not verified because they didn't go on TV you know a few times he said yeah well well yeah I just like to get some feedback and be hard to find out about who was unverified and who was verified because it seemed very arbitrary like they were huge creators million subs and stuff getting unverified and and I wonder if it is public profile that keeps them verified but all to debunk that all you would need to find out is anyone with a prominent public profile to say no I was unverified too and then it really comes into all who the heck is determining or was determining who was going to be verified and who was going to be unverified did you see the comparison screenshot where they had the official Pingu YouTube channel was still verified and YouTube wasn't said while trying to make improvements we missed the mark and as I write this we're working to address your concerns and we'll have more updates soon and when I read that I was like oh is it gonna be the kind of fix where it's not actually a fix but um yeah she said we heard loud and clear how much the badge means to you channels that currently have verification will now keep it without appeal will continue reviewing those channels to ensure we're protecting creators from impersonation yeah again like it was really bizarre that they gave you the option to try and prove that someone might impersonate you and it's like you realize the verification was protection from right yeah that's so there will be more impersonators if you take the verification away so it doesn't even matter how many there are now there will be more because I've seen it happen do you remember that time I want to say like three or four years ago or a lot of people's accounts were being like faked with spam website links happening to a lot of let's players where people just invent the channel name like take markiplier for example copy the name copy the image and then just post loads of times like you know hey guys happy to see you on my comment section I'd really appreciate it if you check out this link because it's gonna bubble and it's just like it's terrible and it was like yeah and they had to start saying like don't trust any links that don't have a tick on them and it's like oh that's clever and it's like by taking the tick away you open this all back up again you idiots why would you do that and then to say that the intention of taking away the tick was to protect against you know false accounts duplicate accounts it's like no they're just saying things they're just like yeah this is good for you it's like but how is this good for you no no explain it's good shut up it's good and then she went on to say that you just need a hundred case subs and you'll be eligible to apply and so everything's back to normal though I imagine they're gonna be much more um difficult to get verification slots are cool that's awesome yeah I know right I think all channels who are working like there's gonna be a whole bunch of channels out there who are 90k and they're like oh great like thanks yeah they took it back channels that hit 100k that the day it happened yeah at least they gotta keep this now like I'm happy that they've taken it back I was just kind of like people are putting on their tinfoil hats because they're like they don't usually take bad things back is like did they do something absurdly stupid and then take it back to try and gain favor like we listen you reckon I don't know they do make a lot of changes where they just don't give a damn and let you know sections of youtube burn as a result like you heard about the uh upcoming changes for children's content that's happening uh yeah like that is just I didn't actually horrifying well they're basically uh so for children's content they're basically gonna nuke most monetization which means targeted ads and it's because the FTC find youtube google for an insane amount and the exact reasons were because of they're breaking some laws in regards to advertising to miners and stuff and so youtube as to try and you know avoid another massive fine basically are turning off all targeted ads because like if you look at traditional tv there's there are really strict stipulations about advertising for children for instance one of the stipulations is that they can't have a product advertising something that's related directly related to the tv show that's playing so you can't advertise pokemon toys on while pokemon the tv show was playing or he man toys when he man was playing and stuff I don't think these stipulations actually in place back in the 80s but that's what it's like now and so it's really strict and they've found youtube breaching a lot of it and so targeted ads are ads that are appearing based on people's watch history and other things like that right which is how how internet monetization like internet advertising works at this point yeah yeah and that's what most of the ads are um that I've heard you know people who are in the thing that's like either 70 percent or higher most ads on youtube are these targeted ads and that's where most monetization comes from they're valuable they're more valuable you get more money for targeted ads but basically for any content that is made for I forget the the age they're more valuable you get more 12 or 13 or something and yeah and so uh children's content they are not allowed any targeted ads on their channel they do not get no they won't get notifications anymore or comments which is just like absolute execution on on so many channels and and they target this not based on the watch history but based on if the video is determined to be made for children and this could hit minecraft youtubers like uh so a lot of gamers could be hit let alone the heap thousands of youtubers that just make content specifically made for kids and and I know a lot of youtubers that make kids content that this is going to impact massively and so like it's basically almost the end of youtube monetization for them and we will yet to see how much how well the monetization will go with non targeted ads because they do get just regular ads but if they're going to get less money for those ads they're already going to get a massive hit but the largest impact comes from the fact that notifications will be turned off for their whole channel and no comments either that would be insane yeah yeah if you're making kids content that basically means your channel is dead like if you're if you're not going to get notifications when you upload now i could be you know painting a much more apocalyptic result of this but this is just what i'm kind of seeing as the result it'd be nice if it isn't as bad when these changes roll out but it's basically youtube saying no these are the changes we're making and i can see that their hand is forced a bit because of the ftc but basically content uh kids content creators yeah this is happening sorry screw you we can't do anything about it and and i i guess is an official message from efap fuck kids we hate them they're terrible we despise all children from around the world of all colors and religions we don't have anything to do with them kids is not meaning you fuck kids was that a command for the efap or no am i the only one here who has kids just just throw you out all of the efap chat is my are my children and you heard what rags said to you fuck them um rags talk about how you released your video on brown table to the audience i did release my video on brown table to the efap audience i did do that a few days ago um it took like two weeks just to show how how much it gets pushed back in the video it says hey we just got done with episode 50 and then by the time it got released you know obviously you know it shows episode 50 being the last ones on moeller channel on the moeller channel you know but it took it took about um oddly no copyright hits for all the the marvel clips so that was strange uh but i'm glad of it i got stymied by the monetization where they said it wasn't approved and so i had an appeal and they said yeah it's still not approved and then i had to go through the creator support thing and had them look at it again and then they said all right we'll pass it on to our internal team and that took another basically two weeks like that video was ready to release when mollers last video was ready i was just coincidental there but it only was able to i was only able to get it out when i got it out well either way i didn't long waited and you annihilated him like it was almost biblical one could say but approached the argument pretty much in every way and the loyal wonderful efap audience they can check it out if they want to i put it at the top of the description there's the link you could watch it now and come back or you can watch it actually either way actually put them both up and listen to them both at the same time that's the peak way to experience a rags video on if oh yeah people were upset said what did you say to me i was just gonna say i've only just started rags's new video and i think about half uh 20 minutes in but it was just good to see the beautiful don's face again so i was happy already is a pity you couldn't gush over him more rags but you have to be clinical when it comes to to working things out in like a courtroom setting like if you were his lawyer you'd be like we all know he's very handsome and wonderful but we can't if i was right now if i was going to the lore i mean how much how would you even start new people up on the lore that would have been its own like that's actually a kind of a big undertaking and would have taken a lot of time and i don't even know exactly how i would have gone about it so i just kind of try and explain a religion to someone quickly it can't be done yeah to explain his heroic exploits for life it's not easy that's a 10 hour video right there um but yeah people are upset with you because you said dr strange was objectively the worst mcu film do you want to develop that so people can be less angry i want to i want oh are people angry about that i saw a couple comments that were like explain yourself that's a ridiculous claim how could you say that when you have four two i am and three uh captain all those movies those movies make sense sort of captain or dr strange a story just doesn't make sense like it's literally nonsensical it's like magic you watched it for the first time with moeller and i didn't yeah yeah and um i remember as i was watching it i was enjoying it at the start but then about halfway it started to collapse like it just fell apart completely i was really surprised actually i was like wow this is not holding up well at all i'll never forget the ghost i'm surprised i didn't i i thought it wasn't bad well i'm interested in thoughts but that this could derail the whole straight yeah the ghost fight and the whole duramamu reset time thing it's all it's nonsense it's none of the rules seem to make sense with the time thing people can break out of him rewinding time how is that possible how can you possibly do that you can't have a coherent thought to break out of the time reversal if time is being reversed on you you know what i mean yeah yeah i get what you're saying there um i don't know like because marvel can play pretty uh you know loose with how they follow through with certain established things but i found a with the magic that was being played around with dr strange is that they established basically how something could work even if the way it worked doesn't really make sense if it is working that way specifically and then they just stay true to that standard that they established you can have the magic be far more satisfying and in most instances probably not in every instance but in most instances it seemed like that they were sticking with that that dr strange learned a limited number of spells in that movie and that these were the spells that it was always reverting back to and you kind of got to see their strengths and lengths of what they could achieve in the in the fact that when we got to see how they were being used and what would overcome them you got the shield thing you had the whip thing um he had the portals if he was holding the ring but if you lose the ring you can't do the portal so you need to get the ring and stuff and those work decently enough for me they they satisfied me i think uh i think the ghost fight was a good example of where it doesn't like because they're ghosts but they seem to interact with physical objects completely arbitrarily i cannot like uh uh well it's like you know they get punched into a vending machine and then something happens to them sorry you broke i you broke out there broke up fringy who fring daddy he's dead he's dead i thought it was just not working oh you back down all right okay uh yeah no it's like this is almost as arbitrary as the ghost scene yeah not the the the ghost scene it's like what what affects them seems to be completely inconsistent because they like grab onto the ground when they go through it but it's like you're a ghost you can't interact with the grounds you you don't exist in the physical realm skip to the big retarded finish where he where oh the electrocution zap somehow translate into the astral realm and then he blows him up on the unconscious dr strage which sends electricity from his body into his astral form into the other astral guy who explodes him and kills the unconscious guy like what my brain falls out of my head with that i get it now it doesn't make sense but if that became a rule that you can try like electricity can be sent into the astral plane and then they were consistent with that rule i'll be like okay if you consistent if i doesn't make sense as to why but if that's the rule and you say true to it you can work with it and it can be satisfying if they kind of revert back oh we can do this this affects the astral thing but the unfortunate thing is is that marvel i'm pretty sure they're not going to be consistent to that that's just in the i'm watching the i'm watching the fight right now so right at the beginning of the fight like dr strange punches the other guy he grabs onto the floor the other guy comes back and punches dr strange into a wall and he hits the wall like he hits it as though he were in the room and then two seconds later he throws him through another wall like he goes through it why did he not go through the first wall he just decided not to i guess what's if what if it was triggered by thought that the ghosts can only interact with the physical realm when they when they actively focus on interacting with it and when they're not sorry i don't know why i get in sorry david it's okay he comes out sometimes i can't control it um and then when they're not when they're not focusing in everything they don't have interaction and they and they go through now that would make it arbitrary because it's like whenever they're not you're touching and interacting they're clearly not focusing but that could be in a like if they explained it and that could be an explanation or an established rule within the universe that you know you need to focus to interact with the physical world when you're in the astral plane now just i will having i will say this though filling in the gaps like this after the fact and have not having explained in the world is is a big flaw in the writing it's a problem oh for sure the audience should not have to explain the plot holes after the fact um but i do feel if sometimes sometimes if the explanations are easy i can go ahead and like all right i can unaccept accepted if i have to jump through too many loops to find an explanation especially if it doesn't make sense and their connections you're making a very um unintuitive and stuff then it's like not not it's stupid i think um i think the thing because i i kind of subjectively i like dr strange because i like dr strange the character that's really entertaining i was the one of the weaker parts of the movie because it's just a jerk no but he has a very straightforward arc like it's a straightforward arc and it works because he's he's he's an asshole getting and then he becomes a better person by the end i think it works and i think it's carrying myself with his uh most if not all the hero movies i'd have to go through them to make sure there's a moment where they'll have to make an important choice his choice was really stew silly she tells him like you can either go back to being a surgeon and being the best or you can commit to being a defender of the universe i'm like you know that dorma was on the way he's going to destroy everything so if you became a surgeon the world gets destroyed like there's no real choice there like the idea that he's like i'm gonna fight for earth is like of course you are because otherwise you're dead would you do anything else but but the thing is from his perspective at that point in time he would have no idea he would have the power to stop the mummer he thinks is an untrained like and because he's selfish i actually think that's an inconsistent kind of thing where he would decide sure i can save the world i'm just a surgeon i have no powers at this point if he doesn't then he can't be a surgeon well it's that's true but you would think he like from his perspective if he's a selfish character he would have more faith in these trained wizards to be able to stop the mummer more than they never take the time stone off him you guys remember that he just has the most the most destructive and important weapon earth has and he they never take it off him he's just got it he's their novice trainer they're like hey what are you doing with what is essentially a giant nuke and he's like uh and then they just oh it's really silly but you know is that at the end are you talking about the end of dr strange from the middle to the end i can't remember when he first gets the the stone but they're like outrage that he has it partially and then they just let him have it like it's not quite like the cloak or whatever it is um where they're like true uh they've chosen you he literally stole the type stone from its like little place and yeah i mean because it makes sense to me that all right we'll let you keep it because you defeated an inter you know dimension but after yeah i'm trusting him with it before it's like yeah yeah you're right you're like why do you get it he just took it it's like for all i know he's just some dude like what he just decided yeah but what i mean is just like what if he said um all right i think i'm done see you later guys and then just like you know disappears it's like okay i guess we just lost time so there is an argument that this could be answered by the ancient what the ancient one says right where she had the fore knowledge that he was going to be the best of them the strongest ever and so she knew ahead of time that he was supposed to have it that could explain why they let him keep it when he took it i did just think of that when you mentioned it as well like oh yeah but then again we're talking about a scene that breaks end game so i'm not sure how much credence we should are we should offer that scene razorback said watch the movie more like he earned it more strange is your spider boy are you talking about the the time stone he didn't earn it he just picked it up yeah he just basically yeah he just kind of walked in and picked it up but the kind of lacked security honestly a little bit yeah like a lock on it and the idea is the cloak thing as well he's just fighting the villain and it decides to go for him that's another thing i thought would have been cool to give us more reason for why it would have chosen strange i do like that scene though how the cloak just sort of like starts beating him up i actually like dr strange i do there's just a lot i like it too like we haven't talked about fucking mordo going evil so poor he's just evil because literally dr straight saves the universe and he's like we shouldn't be so reckless with such power it's like i mean dude we the universe is about to be eaten i don't know oh you're talking about the dude who's like cripples that guy and it's just like i guess i'm evil now oh my god yeah isn't it so we're talking about the black guy that goes evil at the after-credits scene and he says yes with too many wizards in the world yeah that was that was admittedly baffling to see his his logic makes no sense it's like dude the universe wouldn't exist if he didn't do that are you suggesting that that would be a better option just don't exist anymore like dr strange is invested in not using the time stone unless it's absolutely necessary it's like why wouldn't you agree with that why wouldn't that be seems like the thing to do also another thing doesn't dr strange fall over and then the time reversal stops and he's like oh no he's like i have to come up with another plan i remember being like can't just do it again just rewind again so i can't even remember that scene it's been too long since i've watched the i will say though i don't know that i'd say it's objectively the worst i don't think it's the worst i don't know about that i don't think it's the worst it's got flaws for sure um we were what would you say is worse than it for me uh well i mean captain marvel is definitely worse than iron man three is worse i mean three was is horrible yeah and i think like peter is worse than it too um that's a good that could be a conversation what's just because all three of those movies have like fundamental story breaking issues whereas with dr strange they are pretty bad like it does have problems but there are other things that it does well whereas i can't think of many things that the listed movies before did well it's really interesting the moments that cause you to just check out of a movie and sometimes they're really small but for me with iron man three it's when they're like making your hands so hot that they can melt doorknobs that their clothes are perfectly i was like sorry i'm out i'm done i mean that entire thing like the whole the whole system that they have is absurd it's like what are your abilities i make things hot hey i'm iron man this is where i live this is a good idea oh whoops guess i'm dead hey guys there's a missile heading to the house i can see it on the news it's like what that was when i was taken out myself i remember when i first watched i was like how would he possibly have been notified by the news that there's a missile heading towards his house how does the news even know that there's a missile coming to your house and they just got like helicopters right behind the missile we're just here at tody stark's house it's uh it's a nice you know thursday night um sun setting and then like 10 minutes past oh what's this we got like some helicopters coming oh it's like why don't they just spend the whole night outside the house waiting for something to happen yeah he's tody stark man something's bound to happen he was sad that film had a lot of potential it did like i was so hoping they would have actually doubled down on the mandarin and actually made him a proper villain instead of just abandoning like the concept of a terrorist who targets superheroes that's a really cool you know kind of take on how to do you know it's better than that a joke that just makes it nothing you know it's better to ruin all this potential for one simple joke that's not even that funny then king's like he had menace he did the trailers the way they were depicting a man the mandarin it really showed him with menace and ben kingsley or whatever was do it like that way of doing it i was like oh okay this is looking cool you know i wonder if like you know ron johnson was watching that just going yeah that's how you do it great i i do wonder if like when they cut the trailers and everybody's like oh the mandarin's gonna be so cool like they were sitting there in their office they're like yeah yeah this is gonna be great you guys will love them i don't know their expectations will be fine he takes a big poop and says it's smelly that's what the mandarin do you know and you know watch the soccer game and just start cheering just not giving a shit and again it shows ben kingsley's range because he nails both parts like what the fuck is he doing in this movie with this role like what is this why don't you just let him do the mandarin properly it would have been great that's one of those can we do it again movies like we do it again we'll keep a couple things the thing is that the thing that are one silver lining for me you can actually take iron man completely out of the mcu continuity and most of it it's perfectly fine still like what the next thing iron man appears in is what age of ultran and they basically don't even nod to the whole destroying all his iron man suits and all that stuff and giving up being iron man no there's still iron man and so just a fun fact i think i've talked to free about this before but joss weeden was like not in the in crowd when they decided to make winter soldier when they decided to dissolve shield he was like um i have a tv show called agents of shield so they were like oh and he has to like work around his stuff but um on top of that he's making age of ultran it's like yeah here's your cast you got iron man uh he's destroyed all his suits by the way you'd be like what am i meant to do because when i watched iron man through him like is this the end is this like is he done yeah i was so confused yeah i'm so glad they just ignored that part and just like yeah and then isn't it a shame though you know isn't it a shame that the three most successful standalone mcu movies are the worst ones iron man three captain marvel and black panther they're the three most successful standalone ones and they're the worst well see if that's the case i didn't know they were the three best but it's i feel it's evident to see why and it's not because the movies are good it's based on what came before in the expectation i think it's uh i think it's what came before and after yeah because black panther was the lead into infinity war and captain marvel was the lead into endgame i don't know if those movies and plus like black panther in particular had a lot of the like i'm pretty sure black panther in the domestic domestic by us actually outperformed infinity war but infinity war performed way better overall and international i just find it interesting all we're wrong and those films are all very good but we just have a very bad take and um and shad probably won't like that far from home is the most successful spider-man film uh by box office yeah isn't it well actually it's like the least successful as well which is it is and that's a damn shame because it's probably the best one that's great yeah it's it's really good um but i think it's just indicative of of the market it's like you can have this really great innovative but really strong story and people just won't watch it and yet you know captain marvel makes 1.2 billion dollars or something that's what i feel like about battle angel elita that movie should that was so good and i mean you probably don't want to get me talking about a little battle eight i don't think it's as bad as i think wolf said to you but i uh i think that wasn't a lot of problems i well i'm not saying it's perfect i'm just saying i really liked it it was a good yeah fair enough i i can see why people like that movie a lot um and i would say that's probably you know the thing is is um that movie even though i don't i don't think it's particularly good i think it was still ranks pretty highly compared to a lot of other films that have come out this year which says a lot it's just like you know this is one of the better movies of the year and it's like i don't even really enjoy it that much we're not at a great selection last two years no the other thing that i think just made the movie appeal to me i'm not sure if you that's all right that's my phone text message i just got a text message guys i'm ready is it um is it someone saying yes it's someone saying happy birthday i thought it would be uh that's nice now you know this is uh this is a completely unrelated but it's actually my birthday tomorrow i find it interesting wow there you go happy birthday yeah what a what are the well thanks for the preemptive one yeah what are the odds though well one and three hundred four if we follow the logic if we follow the logic clearly that means robot heads birthday must be the day after happy birthday man interesting interestingly enough top hats and champagne a youtuber who i'm friends with his birthday is actually the day after mine too so it's in your session yeah well he lives in australia yeah that doesn't count me i still have been born there otherwise this whole system falls apart and fringy we could still be doing this stream when it's your birthday so it might happen who knows it might last whole 24 hours god so before we go too far off topic uh just going back to what i was saying about elite is the the thing that you that sent us off topic oh well screw you let's let's let's get at me i'd like to hear about this actually well no it's just that i liked or it struck me as uh finally uh going back to the roots of what makes a good heroic female character i mean and it's not something we haven't seen before but lately lately it's not something that we've seen where you have a female protagonist who is also distinctly feminine and vulnerable but also can kick butt i was like yes this is how you do it i i definitely see that and i think that's probably the reason why a lot of people like it i don't think there's my thing is i don't know if i can say there's much wrong with elito but that's kind of the problem is because i don't think there's much for me to latch on to she's very blank like she's a good guy because she is and she you know she has these abilities that she got back a long time ago and we're not going to see and um and it's not it's not really a problem because i do explain why she's got all these abilities which is fine yeah goodness yeah you know how you're saying she's good because she's good but i think that's very like clearly explained and evident by the fact that she's just she's got a good kind heart she's innocent naive but that naivety actually works against her in the movie and so like that's that's a good more complex character because of that in my mind where um you know i mean i guess yeah i guess um i mean at least she fails like there's that she does fail yeah and she makes mistakes she she falls head over heels for the wrong guy because she's too trusting and she's too innocent and unaware and that and the whole experience makes her harder and a bit more world savvy and things like that and yeah it's all good i enjoyed that those elements i uh i guess i was left wanting a bit more the movie probably could have stood to be a bit longer i think i think they needed to explain the world a bit better because i haven't read the manga so i don't i don't really get it i don't understand like the the state of the world manga uh okay you have to pronounce the comic book names correctly but uh but i will i would agree that it's um that it's probably i i need to pay more attention to it like i need to watch it again i think yeah the character won me over with elita and i mean beautiful animations and you know expression oh yeah the special effects is kind of like it's probably the best um special effects i've ever seen um yes we do prefer it to captain marvel fine yes true of course we do you'd hope so right there's some people out there who think captain marvel's great you know it's funny there's this conspiracy that the whole elita vs captain marvel thing was pushed by either alt right white nation or everything like that i've come off it no it's because one movie was good and one movie was crap okay i don't get it like uh rosa salazar is not she's like latin american she's not white so that doesn't make sense well well that uh doesn't know what are you are you talking because robot said maybe we can't hear him are you speaking oh i can't hear him oh hi oh yeah oh yeah robot and transceiver putting different screws robot head you see leaf functioning i'm he we could have missed some like great pearls of wisdom yeah i i always hate to feel bad about that because i feel like for them this whole time they've been trying to speak and just people ignoring oh wow okay you guys you know thanks feels bad bad he's trying to fix it when are you gonna get a new avatar robot head i don't know how i feel about the one you got now the destiny face and destiny i don't i don't know man it's giving you Vietnam flashbacks right i'm a bit late to do that he's it's all over his stuff now like it's in all of his yeah well you know what you know what was all over the face of yeah well you know listen there was a flag all over okay so so you think they're just like oh i guess we we can't have another roman emperor because the old ones face is all over the coinage well okay robot head if you if you if you don't say anything we'll take your silence as saying you hate rags okay gotcha oh wow okay jeez wow wow you offended him then rags now all right yes come on back slightly say more things can you hear me now we can hear you we can hear you oh very good what do you have to retort back with rags with it's not even a retort i wouldn't even make him fuck him up robot head fuck him we can try you can try so many others have tried what hope do you have he's the head of robot here's a confession when when i found this head and and i changed it i didn't know where it was from is it is it kade six's head i don't know i think that's just a very sorry head no he doesn't even know i needed a three-dimensional head for a video and i thought that that head looks pretty cool i found it and uh yes i mean the art the art direction in destiny is really good it's just a shame that everything else is awful and then people keep on starting to ask me about the game and i thought i'm gonna be oh yeah like you must love it you're like uh yeah that's all this kind of reminds me of um you know when baring used the bear from total drama islands and like every time i watched his video i'm like oh this is like the bear from that show and then eventually became an issue yeah and i keep meaning to find i need to find an artist to do me a new one that's just mine but um yeah it's got out of hand now so now i just have to go with it so it's uh have some you can always change that means might you maybe just sort through the fat means you might find something yeah question if you change would that make you a trans robot no he could still be a male robot well he doesn't even have a gender because he's a robot so can a robot even be trans i have all these i'm wondering i can actually be anything we can be a transformer so what are your preferred pronouns sir well you just um it is tripod um the correct nomenclature when you don't have the pronouns is to say what is your what are your pronouns creature they prefer it when you say creature i was trying to say when no one was listening to me and i thought you're all being rude that a leader i think shows how bad the competition is that like i understand people liking that film but i i think people like it because the other films out at the moment are so fucking terrible i think if it came out in like the 80s it would be an average action film probably like because there was some other really good contenders for you know strong strong strong female characters i'm talking about actually proper you know good well-written female we're talking like uh you know Ripley sarah connor you know those characters i don't enjoy it but i see people loving it and i think they they they're latching onto it because they freaking hate captain marvel and i think you know it's out there shit i think part of it is it's it's a really straightforward movie and there's probably value in that when you have movies like The Last Jedi that are just a complete mess because they're trying to you know be really profound and they just don't understand the fundamentals whereas that movie is like it at least even though i don't think it fully nails it in that regard i i do see as a grasp of the fundamentals of like you know a straightforward character arc and hero's journey stuff like that you know it's it's sort of like basic general things that people tend to like yeah and even things that shouldn't really be a feature become a feature because of this like did you hear the controversy over elita having too perfect a physical you know uh body basically she's a robot her eyes are too slim yeah like and that she was too slim and you know her body was too fit and that's that's evil let us like she's a robot yes sorry such a non-controversy but the fact that you want to have the energy that is like screw you we're gonna make this you know female action hero be attractive you know in the proper conventional sense of proper how dare i say proper oh i'm gonna be burned to that i want my phone is fat and ugly i uh i actually i'm curious about this because i often people say i do see people say things like how come in video games like female characters attending to skew like a weight because i think the problem with video games before was that basically all female characters were over sexualized and now it's like you can't make sexualized female characters and video they went for at least like one to zero instead of acknowledging well i i think those two numbers i think i think Mortal Kombat 11 was a good example every male combatant in Mortal Kombat 11 has a topless variant um but none of the female combatants have any like you know just bikini variants i don't really care either way like i don't care but it's just interesting that that's like with the men they can be completely topless and it's fine but with the women they can't and i kind of feel like that's going isn't that just going backwards wouldn't it be better if everybody was like everything or nothing you know that's all it said you just think feminism is about equality for with content that is generally more geared towards a male audience and action movies generally are and generally men tend to like action movies far more than romances and stuff like that what is wrong with either then making the characters appeal to that demographic that there's nothing wrong it's like trying to shame men essentially saying no you're not allowed to be attracted to attractive women and we were going to force you to look at men there's a lot of women out there who are like want those parts and like being yes they appreciate it for the work they do on their body that they have people be like dress yourselves for goodness sake like respect yourself i remember mk9 with malina having a bandage outfit i mean i think i think Mortal Kombat 9 has really bad character designs to be honest with you i'm just saying that's as close as they could pretty much get before being a good character then nowadays it's like that would be outright offensive yeah i'm not even talking about i guess levels of modesty yeah just general physical appearance how fit they are and stuff is also and you see this in marvel comics have you seen how a lot of the female characters are being enjoyed and just pick up any captain marvel comic right have a look at how she's being drawn now because i think with comics it's like there are i in the 90s like i i'm not a big fan of comic book art from the 90s where people just a downright unrealistic looking to a degree that is off-putting um yeah i tend to play more yeah yeah i tend to prefer it when you say unrealistic in what way you talk because like well comic books are meant to depict a like an extreme but where the male characters are buff beyond belief and then the female characters also have and yes they're unrealistic proportions but like that's kind of the whole thing about comic books because they're supposed to be godlike characters um i mean it depends on what comics we're talking about i mean comic book is just a format i think you're just talking about superhero comic books i'm talking about like just in general i guess doing it as a medium but yeah but when we're talking about superhero comics um you know like rob lifefeld the artist who a lot of people consider to be very bad despite the fact that he was like the artist on some of the best-selling comics of all time um he did that captain america one where like his chest is puffed out to an extent that is just insane oh and we're like female characters you can see their butt and their boobs like facing towards the camera and it's like how is that possible because yeah i think you were talking about there is there's unrealistic proportions and then there is bad proportions where it's just like a mutated message just a result of bad comic book yeah i think i think what i was uh because when it comes to comics now i think the issue i have is not necessarily that the way that characters are drawn is bad necessarily but more that they tend to all be drawn the same way so it's very homogenous and boring like like the way that a lot of characters are drawn now is it's like they're lean they're not too you know shapely in any one way they're just sort of like lean or slim or buff and and like that's it if you know what i mean it's it's it's kind of like boring to see them all look very similar yeah very similar facial features like even if all to say the body shapes are similar i don't think that detracts from the the the core experience of what say a superhero comic book is meant to portray at all i feel actually enhances it i see i'm a fan of novelty if the but like for comic books i reckon you're there for the action the story and stuff like that and having you know the superheroes depicted in a heroic way i i don't think that detracts from what the the action and the heroism and the story in any way i don't think i don't know if it detracts i just i don't like it personally i like grotesque then it's it's hard great all right if you want to think like an example of the standard i refer to you should look up j scott cambell's comic book art and uh one of his best works is danger girl okay and he is one of the most amazing comic book artists like in history in my mind and i reckon that is pretty good he's he's insanely talented but the thing key feature about his art he makes his characters look beautiful both the men and the women they are just astoundingly attractive right and that's the whole thing about comic books and stuff that's the that's one of the draws the features and and like i could i could read a j scott cambell comic book even if the story was crap because it's just so beautiful but like danger girl is such a hilarious kind of parody send up um of the james bond spy kind of you know tropes and stuff and it's over the top hilarious and also beautifully drawn see that that picture fringy just uh yeah that's a horrible picture that's a horrible picture can we bring up like the biggest tits i've ever seen that's like a mean picture you don't even have to watch me that's uh that's rob lifeld right there he uh he wrote the best-selling comic of all time he wrote he wrote an illustrated x force number one and it's bad it's really bad but it's like the best-selling comic ever all right see there's that now bring up a picture of jay yeah pick pick bring up a picture from the armor campbell this is a apparently a j scott cambell fine art print of captain marvel i think it looks pretty good yeah i like it yeah yeah i mean it's not realistic but it's it's it's uh it's it's i think the main thing is um when it comes to art it's like realism is not necessarily the objective it's more so that um it's consistent it's consistent within itself so like you look at this one there are certain objective qualities if we could bring up the captain marvel picture on the um on the e-fap screen um there are consistent objective qualities that make this just gorgeous and part of it is the amount of motion that like this is a static pose yet it feels like there's motion like there's movement in it then there's the flowing lines i don't know if i'd call it an objective quality there i would say that there are certain things certain principles of design that tend to work that's what i'm talking about and you can duplicate it and they consistently work really well and then if you put it in the correct proportions and balance to each other i mean one of my like it's not a goal anymore but i used to want to be a comic book artist as a career ambition and and so studying you know comic book art was a big thing and i got to a competent level not nowhere near as good as camber but you can actually look at my comic book art on my deviant art page yeah we should probably bring that up but if you got one of the artists or my deviant art page one of my um actually upload one of my comic book um character pictures because it was also an outlet for my writing and so yeah i'm kind of saying where's captain marvel's speak to the manager haircut that she had an end going i uh i i don't like the the short haircut that she has in the comics now i like long hair what can i say i don't mind this i don't really care if it's longer short on a chick in the comic it looks a rock but in endgame it was like christ i didn't think you could make me dislike her anymore but you have just with a haircut here's a question in universe so how can you cut captain marvel's hair right because it's captain marvel's teeth with her teeth he's more but she's powerful enough to affect herself what what could possibly be stronger than captain marvel's hair yourself guys guys don't you like this cover for cable and deadpool where like cable's arms are bigger than his head several times over isn't this great so there's one of my arm drawings there when you close your youtube channel to draw babes i mean i mean her waste she doesn't have ribs that's the only problem well that's kind of the thing like you draw them in the proportions to make them look beautiful but also try to convey a level of uh you know movements and flow to it and stuff yeah and one of my big influences was j scott camber with just how gorgeous he makes and like yeah clearly her thighs are as wide as her waist obviously but part of it is to do the you know overly um uh like extreme proportions to get the kind of look um yeah i think i think there's an extent that you can push it to but where the line is drawn i think is it depends because i prefer it when they look like real if you know what i mean like i prefer it when the character looks like a real person who could exit like like we looked at that captain marvel one before it's like i do like that a lot um people don't like the the proportions are not anatomically correct though but that's fine because they're kind of consistent within themselves you know like yeah it's nothing in there that makes me go down this is absurd like it's um do you know what j uh sorry j scott camber camber he's actually been receiving heat recently as a terrible sexist for drawing women in a in an attractive sexy manner and so isn't that positive heartless nope that's negative that's the middle gays and oh and so when that well just hearing about the the you know um a twitter attacks that's being lumped on him recently i was i was i was disappointed here because he's a comic book legend in my mind back in the day and he was one of the core inspirations for my own artwork just for how good he is i mean i uh when it comes to like the art aside like in comic books a lot of them are the older ones like the the veteran ones you know like um like i mean i guess you could call greg capolo veteran at this point he's been working in comics for like 20 years i think he's really good um i like uh jim lee as well that's kind of an obvious one oh yeah jim lee really good um and frank miller i think is really excellent but his is more so from like composition is what i find really impressive about him the way that he just constructs a comic book i mean i think i think he's the best i think he's the best i like mono very sorry and nice nice flowers all right waters um my favorite is leo in the dragon up and coming comics i like him because he draws tits and i like tits another phenomenal artist was michael turnay he's passed away now may he rest in peace but he was an amazing artist i think uh i think what i'm interested in in the in the comic landscape now is because a lot of the people who are really good like you know the really sort of venerated what working in the 90s and the 2000s and you know now they're like getting into their 40s and 50s and they're still around and they're still working um but what was that but that was probably robot head he's trying to do stealth books he usually says belge trying to sneak that one past us it it ranks yeah so i guess my my whole point is like comic books are meant to be gorgeous and beautiful they're they're they're drawings okay and if the drawing is crap when you're reading it it detracts from the experience and stuff and so part of having the beauty in the comic books is the beauty of the characters in make them as you know idealistic as possible especially for superheroes and stuff and what you see now being spat out by marvel is just trash i mean i'm sure there's still some good artists that are still doing good work but a lot of the stuff i'm seeing nowadays it's just absolutely garbage but do you mean do you mean bad from like an actual art standpoint or bad both art standpoint and the way that they're depicting the superheroes because they can't be too unrealistic and stuff like that when there's superheroes i mean i mean i feel like they're because i don't know if i fully agree with that i think that there are i think there are there is a lot of good art in comics still um maybe i'm just seeing the crap ones there could be a lot of good ones there i uh i think because uh i'm a big fan of dead evils this is no surprise and i i read like uh the dead evils comics and they've had good art for a while there was a there was a run that was not so good uh the mark wade run um i didn't really like the art for that at all it was really simplistic and and bland but um but the recent stuff has been really really impressive like really impressive uh art wise okay admittedly i don't like i don't read as much as much in terms of comics as i used to because it's kind of like an expensive hobby uh someone mentioned moon night moon night had some really cool art as well moon night's really cool no flame is easily the best though who's that someone you made up new drotic introduce me to no it's like a short-lived comic series created by somebody where the the superheroes powered by cocaine takes cocaine that's what gives him his power i was like oh my god i'd watch that at a heartbeat let james god make it that'd be funny i think it'd be oh yeah is there is there a video we're meant to be watching well i was actually going to say it it does quite well yeah well i i just kind of jumped into this what what actually was happening that was the intro one hour and 20 oh when i was 20 how late did you guys start well i mean we had to start quote-unquote late for the australians right oh late regard well it's late for us but you know for them it's nice oh i think it's normal time no uh sorely enough struggle to get things on time these people like we have to sleep like what is that nonsense what is sleep but um but yeah i was gonna say this works pretty well as a sort of segue if you with all of you objectifying women as you were doing just there i love objectifying with as rags said the male of gays um we have a video that was that was highlighted to me and i've only i only saw this the introduction just see if it was real it is real uh the guy is serious at least oh really fortunately uh it is titled men a ruining star wars men are oh i mean just by the title that's so profoundly sexist just reverse if there was anything that said women ruining something the reeing that would come as a result it's just it's not really sexist is it because sexism's only possible with a higher power versus lower power that's where i've been that makes total sense it's not confusing at all it also implies that every man is more powerful than every woman it's like we need we need that makes a lot of sense because you know how like men are far more likely to be homeless than women and yeah so i mean you know i'm a lot more powerful than hillary clinton i mean right now maybe she could be like an empty skin suit on the floor i don't know what she's up to we need women to save star wars from the evil men who destroyed it isn't that what um isn't that wasn't that the point of that jonathan macintosh video like the last jedi is about men learning to trust women's judgment it's like how did you get that where did that come from maybe if women made better judgment we trust them more i mean that video was basically the hybrid i mean and what's weird about this right is it's forcing people to look at everything through the spectrum of gender and and so by their logic would you then say well george lucas he was a man he created star wars so that means star wars is great because of men and that's just a stupid thing what if star wars is good because george lucas instead of being a man just had a great idea and you know he had the ambition and he made something amazing okay and gender had nothing to do with it it's never that simple not in upside down land it can never just be an obvious answer it can't just be good no there's always some underlying reason for it that has nothing to do with any creative enterprise so is everyone ready to hear this incredible log no no yeah oh this wonderful guy here we go hey deal here who i want to talk to you oh god he let oh he looks like he looks like a what right what does he look like what does he look like he looks like a faggot he looks like a creep i'm i regret this but that that t-shirts not helping me not want to slap him across the face i'm so fly i'm so fly i never i feel so bad when we do this because probably outside of the video i'm sure he's a really nice guy i'm not sure if he says things that i disagree with you're not sure well if he's comfortable saying that men are ruining stars i imagine it'd be tough to get along i'm already leaving the side of his asshole we'll have to find out in the video i guess his slight came first because we all we are all of the team men here this is true and for some reason by virtual what's between my legs i'm ruining something i thought i thought you actually had to do something to ruin something but okay no you exist and that's enough yeah it's what you do with what's between your legs it's ruining something ruining something you're just doing it wrong i'm gonna talk to you about one of my favorite things star wars but i want to talk to you about how i think men are ruining star wars i'm sure you're like deal you're a man doesn't that mean you're ruining star wars well it's possible i could be ruining star wars you don't hear open to the idea that you can be convinced that you are destroying star wars all right if you truly believe that statement is that i guess you could be unaware of your destruction towards star wars as well jeez i guess you don't even know what it is he's like you're ruining it you're like oh i don't know really see i i was gonna say how do people of such a mindset have any self-esteem but the answer of course is he is virtue signaling like by admitting my own guilt i am so moral and stuff so i'm gonna get so much pussy by telling all the ladies i'm ruining star wars oh well i mean the natural implication is is he gonna argue with it or saving it is that gonna be we go in there i don't know we can still find out well i could be ruining star wars i'm i'm open to that um it's just more okay i'm open to that there's a lot of great men out there don't worry men there's a lot of great men out there thank you for that generous allowance that there are many great men out there asians are ruining star wars now before we get started you know there are a lot of great asians out there but in case you didn't know in case you didn't know the status quo is that men are so horrible i need to tell you there's a lot of great men out there some men are great there's some men are what what is the point of these statements like hey you know humans are bad but there's a lot of great people it's like so what the fuck you even say like just saying it like he's not one like he's talking about some other i'm an ally you know i'm an ally i'm a i'm an ally i'm a great guy i'm i'm trying you know that's all i can do i can i can try oh you know it's so hard being a man you know who hates women just by default i guess you want me to write a dad what would i say for gdell i mean like all men are evil some of them are great sure i don't even know it's just like thank you for the generous allowance that not all men are shit well you would you would hope you would hope that would be the default but it's not unfortunate well not from his perspective like if you meet someone dependent on their gender if they're male okay you should expect them to be bad because that's the most men but but some are good but because only some are great you should expect this guy or this person you're meeting because they're a male to be a jerk well the thing is i would like to ask him his numbers because when he says a lot i'd be like how much is a lot give me a percentage and if he said anything less than like 90 percent or 80 percent i'd be like okay jesus christ you have a very unfavorable view of humanity don't you put neighbor would be living in guys he has a lendo calrysian funko pop oh and it's it's the new vision as well i think i don't think that's the old oh yeah that's that's our global one who is this still just because just consume product and be excited about next product i'm sure he loved solo i'm sure he's a huge fan of solo solo he has a fucking lendo calrysian funko pop oh no don't tell you everything about it yes they actually do all right we're attacking just so you don't need to defend yourself there's something different about yeah only the shitty ones will defend themselves you're not allowed to enjoy it for more than a couple i'm not attacking you have you seen the title of the video title i'm getting mixed messages you're a cunt i'm not attacking you all right even though the title is you're a dick he's already set this up to be if you counter this video or respond to this video or anything like that then you're one of the bad ones and if you're a real good man you will just accept this video and move on with your life you won't disagree with it faulty premise um is there any chance so you can pull up the chat rags for a weird set of reasons i can't actually ban people myself because of the way i've got my chat set up but um yeah yeah yeah i was just gonna i was gonna say if you could keep an eye they're not too there's not too much mainly coming from singular accounts so i don't want the chat to have their experience ruined or folk um yeah let me click the button fuck them up rags uh oh yeah fringy if you want to say something um i can give you the the wrench as well you probably should oh here we go all right no i'm i'm i'm all right well i mean so that you can slap people if you you don't want to slap people oh yeah give me give me whatever wrench yeah give me a wrench uh they like ratchet and there we go i got a i got a port that'll be that'll be good um if you just say something in chat so i can grab your name all right all right makes it nice and easy for me you think hat man joe has i was meant to write hello but i accidentally wrote hell i choose to tip that it's a way oh yeah you just he misspelled hello i did oh right that does need slapped oh there you go i can get desk bullshit into wrench motors desk bullshit isn't right there you go now cap man joe is not going to be able to have your address what is that spam does anyone know what that is i don't like what what what's the right okay uh yeah anyway back on with this wonderful man this great man yourself there's something different about star wars now the it you're not allowed to enjoy it for more than a couple hours before what don't read the reviews then don't read the reviews and don't read the reviews just much and just enjoy it just enjoy hang on like he's saying you're not allowed to enjoy it and i i mean i think he's taking this from the fact that when people try and say for instance last year i was good i would generally say no it's it's a pretty bad movie or i felt it was bad that's not saying you're not allowed to enjoy you're allowed to enjoy stuff that's yeah crap but that seems to be what is interpreting that that that by people saying something is bad he interprets to mean we're saying you're not allowed to enjoy it when is any of us i think being a victim is important i mean i do think um i think the implication is that by telling people how something is bad they won't like it anymore but to me it's like yeah that's you you decided that doesn't have to do with us really like you know whether or not your emotional state will change in terms of how you see this art once you've heard a selection of facts slash statements from us it's just like what are we supposed to do we can't control that sorry man you feel that way but you're just gonna have to learn to be your own fucking person i guess yeah and i i think this is the classic though the so you take a conversation someone says oh i liked last Jedi as long as i didn't like it that's as far as the the feelings conversation goes and then one of them says i don't know i just really like pose arc because it really showed that he learned a lot from that initial fumble to the end and then that second guy explains like hold the like 20 minutes how that makes no sense whatsoever you can't even make that statement because that's just not true and then you'd be like wow you just don't let me have my feelings don't let me enjoy it it's like that's not what just happened no you can have your infract feelings like luckily people don't choose their beliefs and what i have said right now has already planted its seed and it is growing slowly but surely inside of your mind and before you know it you will hate this movie as much as i will i do like how he says i'm not allowed to enjoy things i'm not allowed to hate things dick yeah it goes both ways like guys stop being toxic guys can you keep your opinions to yourself you're like oh this seems fair um yeah all right let's let's carry on with how he's not allowed to feel like i said i've never understood this argument anyway how can i stop you from feeling stuff well it's because people associate um like with good they think if they like it it must be good it's like oh no you can like stuff that's objectively bad i really like some of the Fast and Furious movies and they are really bad um but the reasons why i like them i think you could objectively quantify for you know for certain things like uh you know just the the silly fun of it and stuff um but yeah so when someone says i like it and then they try and qualify it and then you're like well no those are bad reasons you're making me not like it you can't like it the thing is yeah exactly it's like i'm not a mind i'm not a mind manipulator i can't like telepathically make you choose to dislike the movie now that you know it'll be just too early on good you we spent a while trying to explain all of our issues with with dr stranger then we all like shared the oh by the way i like dr strange yeah it doesn't take a really easy to like it it's really easy i like venom and venom's awful it's really bad but i like it and so yeah when we have a big conversation all about venom but then it then freaks it with guys just don't let people like stuff you're allowed to like things and i feel really dumb saying it's like i never had the power to take that away from you anyway but thanks for giving me that power yeah it's like you know we can't make you not like stuff that's just your brain man that's just that's all you what's annoying they strangely they strangely attach their personality to what they like and so they're they're personally attacked like let them lie exactly i mean look at all the stuff look at his zelda stuff like he probably is not like it's probably a part of his identity so you're like hey guys absolutely princess isn't great you know he might he might get really upset about that is he framed a comic book back there as well he has he's in frame the infinity gauntlet uh arc all right yeah family picture that's the nice bit of the whole selection i think yeah that's why they're fine doesn't say anything about him what's that like abstract piece of shit that he's got in the background there how dare you oh modern arts if he is afraid of modern actually looks like a skin mark like modern art is so meaningful the infinity skin mark you know there was in comics and stuff about how you put a piece of poop on a pedestal and everyone like appreciates i was like oh god we're getting close to this now like with this is this is a that's a poop painting that's a poop painting that's a poop painting online and trolls are attacking and calling out like calling it liberal feminism and saying you know it's not my star wars and people are asking for jar jar to come back now yeah because even jar jar is better than what we're getting now that's how bad it's gone that's how dire it is dude i think jar jar would be an actual like you'd have a sort of like oh look at jar jar hey are they gonna kill him yeah uh no yeah that's right yeah he'll get blown out the airlock like oh jar jar's dead cool all right do you notice he did the red neck voice in there he did the red neck voice yeah yeah out of any character that they'd be willing to kill off jar jar would be the one that would probably make me happy you know actually that that red neck thing i if you're watching a video on like it was a british person and um they were speaking you know proper sort of west minster british accent and then when they were like talking about an opinion they didn't like and they just went all cockney that would be really obvious yeah well it would be it's like oh you know uh you know tea and and uh i don't know tea and uh what what what what are other fancy british things you know oh this ain't my star wars you know oh this ain't it you know this ain't my star wars tea it'd be like oh that's uh that's a bit of a dick thing crumpets and biscuits and biscuits and stones and tea and uh and colonialism you know i've i've i've added i don't know why this has to be the case i've added catman joe to my blocked words now so i will remove it one day because who knows what it'll take us it was like molla remove catman joe in order to prevent criticism i'd be like no no um but yeah hopefully that makes it automatic eventually to give my moderators a bit of space oh thematic yeah now i i i i will be back in like 10 minutes just a heads up i'll just be off and i'll be back in like 10 minutes yeah yeah yeah yeah you bet all right shall be missed anyway i gotta pee any i gotta pee anyway so you know just you know if we're having a break i might take that opportunity i mean i guess it'll just be me and robot head chilling i'll wait until rags comes back rags rags i'll do a tag team he goes first and then he can tag me out when he comes back what are you uh are you looking to get a drink or uh bathroom yeah go go go for it it's all right it makes more sense to do it while they're doing it because then we'll all come back at the same time okay okay so robot oh no robot heads cutting out you're gonna be by yourself i can do it awesome am i cutting out am i okay can you hear me okay yes so they can't do the uh the lower class voice in Australia we've all got the lower class voice you're all a bunch of prisoners yes how is prison of life going well yeah it's good it's good we get to go to the beach and have barbecues put shrimps on the barbie which drink fosters here's a question have you read um episode nine leaks uh normally i avoid leaks even if i don't care that much just to enjoy the film but this one it's it's too much fun reading them like it's just because it's like anything goes just just i could read anything and believe that it's going to actually be in this film there's nothing too out there or too crazy yeah i don't know if i've i don't know if i've read them read them all if i'm up to date but whenever i see them it's just yeah it's too tempting to just hear what craziness they're going to come who are they going to try and bring back or who are they saying they're going to bring back or so i think the last what i heard was about um um uh laya doing the training so right which is bizarre of all the times during the training you're doing it in the finale okay with the dead actor and and does she need it she no one can beat her i think i think she's okay oh that'll be the obvious thing if she builds up in order to be kylo we're all gonna be like why it was me all along i killed kylo ren me i can imagine her turning up to a bed like i have trained i'm far more powerful than before he's just like jesus christ like my cocaine powers imagine him just being like you know what i give up i don't want to do this enough i just like how anything goes with the rumors but no one knows what actually we're going to watch this film for like well there's no we've got a point in star wars where we're like no that's too crazy they wouldn't do that that would be silly because like when we're you know return the jedi we're like you know we'll harm survive and was it really his father and all these questions we wanted answered and with this it's just like they can say anything we just have to believe it because there's no no point to even going to see this film we don't even know what's happening i can't wait for episode nine for all of us remember rags as well i feel like i'm spoiling it but people will forget by the time again but um the end of fellowship is like oh my god the potential this we we know so i know i go so much to look forward to it is like direct comparison with tlj it's like uh i don't know did anyone watch the gremlins review from red light media i did yeah what they talked about how gremlins two is like gremlins but on like steroids and loony tunes land in a good way because that's the idea that they're going for that they like have we ever seen that with like other franchises like i don't know star wars they're like oh yeah tlj is the loony tunes of the loony tunes they have more digs last jedi reviews than they did yeah it's like every video now yeah yeah they just mentioned every video i'm so happy it's almost ubiquitous with with a lot of the critical reviewers that tlj is just the the jump the shock it's the movie it's the guy too like oh you don't want to be like tlj what a disaster um i mean for you probably back soon but you guys want to we'll kick on with well if he's gonna be well if he's gonna be back soon mauler well you said he'll be gone for 10 minutes 10 full minutes you know what that is an e-fap time 13 minutes i don't actually know how did you how did you work that what was your formula and i'm like i keep my secrets to myself um well we'll play he's only gonna miss a couple of like 10 seconds uh and i love what disney is doing with star wars i bet you do in the sense like i want a star wars movie every year i think no it's not the focus at all that should be in what scale was it too early i like the idea that we're all like we want good star wars movies and he's like no no no we want star wars movie every year it's like no they could take three four five years between each one i wouldn't mind just take your time get it right you know but they also pretend that if something was fantastic it couldn't come out every six months like solo was too early you know it was it was brilliant was just too early it was the right time people didn't yeah it just wasn't they weren't ready for such a masterpiece people people just aren't ready for a black lando collision it's so interesting that you can get an idea of how good someone is at you know objective criticism based on their opinion of the last jedi if they say it's good you instantly know oh okay yeah like oh you like disney star wars okay all right so you like terrible things well i mean this is the thing i mean there are like reasons people can like it and still you know they can admit that it's a bad movie so i should i should qualify that's like i'm not saying that if you like it you don't you can't pick out the flaws in it well the interesting part comes in that if you have someone who's very critical of movies and they're like lj is you know it has its flaws but it's pretty good you're like okay and then they come to like other movies with similar flaws you like try and cross-reference and see them be like yeah but yeah that's true exactly the most common one you'll find is like yeah but tlj is a bigger movie it has bigger ideas it's talking about bigger things this movie's just crap well do people actually use that argument themes man like all about them things are you kidding because from my mind if they're saying if they're dealing with bigger themes that just means there's far more for it to fall from and to fall short of and it really did and so that just means it's even worse if you're gonna say that was supposed to be big grand and epic is like well that just means it failed harder i mean this there's a sort of like unwritten understanding from people where i guess they would be like if your theme is um uh what's it like to to be in a relationship or something like that a relationship that's one-sided it's like oh that's your theme throughout the movie that there's a lot of different characters going through that sort of um journey or story whatever and then some other film is like we're tackling the meaning of life so we're automatically bigger you know and and it's like oh it's really about how you do both of those it's not really exactly the theme doesn't mean spit it's how you execute it if they actually pull it off and address the theme in any measure of satisfaction or you know uh depict it accurately create some interesting questions and thoughts and stuff like that is it's all about execution not just the fact that you attempted it what's like in the olympics whenever you've got a diver about to attempt to dive what they're attempting to do will influence their their top potential score so the harder that dive you can do the more points you can score but the more difficult it is to point it out exactly exactly but even watching someone do a bomb can be more enjoyable watching like a really big fat dude one-leggedly hop off the thing and spin around go oh he lands into the water can be hilarious this is very true it's all about your point of reference how what you're judging it against and what the movie is meant to be or are trying to achieve and stuff because you would think it's just funny last year i tries to be serious in some moments or you know try and convey the epic themes of the other movies you know the great battle between good and evil which is so undermined by the flippant humor and bad jokes and stuff throughout the movie i mean if you're going for like an intense threat that this big you know giant ship is coming to destroy the rebel base having a pilot do what type of joke did he do against the um thing your mama your mama jokes joke classification would be under your mama oh why me i remember watching it be like you know that the because it's right at the beginning of the film so you're still like that was strange it's almost like a blip in the straight line you're just like oh that was that was unusual that they did that in this scenario just their whole you know cause rebel alliances on the verge of being destroyed and there's no they're like he's not even worried he's just like your mama as as ryan johnson said about that scene he wanted to he wanted to inject a bit of monty python that was just like money python that's why everyone loves it it's just a little hux is a comedy character didn't even thought hux was a yo is still hux is a comic character it's like how makes no sense i think solo is a little bit too early i don't i don't think that was well timed and i think they're a little learned from that but i just i see so much anger and hate and fear and fear fear like i get like you know i'm a little angry and i hate the last year i like that i and i feel that these are justified things okay but but fear i i fear for the future of entertainment and hollywood okay there you go it's justified i guess i was really confused for a second i was like afraid of what afraid of what comes next maybe maybe i don't i don't actually know jay jay said i hope you'll tell me this is just a matter of him listing like what yoda says in food episode two or three probably i don't know either oh wait episode two the whole hate leads to this leads to man age leads to honey body this is actually touching on a deeper pet peeve i have that actually is a deeper philosophical kind of idea where people instantly associate hate with bad or immoral and there's no no no no hate and most emotions in fact are neither good nor bad it's dependent on what they are focused on for instance i think it's pretty good to hate rape just just putting that out there okay no i love rape oh really love me i love me some raping how can we not reference the great philosopher boogie 298 uh at least we believe in something are you aware of this at least at least not season rapist believe in something hell is that at least not season rapists are doing something they believe in the context makes it worse he's talking about how bad internet trolls are and he says at least internet trolls aren't like not seasoned rapes exactly and he's like you guys you guys want to see the destruction of channels you don't believe it you know you're you're you're without a purpose beyond hurting people you know at least nazis and rapists they believe in something it's amazing normally the more context you apply to it the more you understand it it's the opposite with boogie the more context the worst i feel sorry for the guy he like because that is such a gaff like yeah think about what you're saying just just think a little bit um but yeah so when people say that there's too much hate in the world and we need more love it's like you like no okay hate isn't inherently a bad thing if you're hating bad things that need to be end that it's good to hate them okay hate rape hate murder hate evil okay and how about we not love you know these bad things let's not love greed let's not love rape and all those things yeah the whole it's such a shallow kind of virtuosity we need more love and there needs there's too much hate in the world it's like no and it's perfectly fine to hate a horrible movie especially if the movie is actually almost offensive in some of the ways it depicts certain things in the world and stuff i love people on twitter that say they're sick of the hate and from now on they're going to be more positive and first off you can't be on twitter you're in downtown hatred on the hate building a bit like i want to be more positive this time around yeah um yeah i was gonna say that came up with just right because he said that um he's he's evolved as a critic to the point where he's realized that if you're dealing with good content celebrate it if you're dealing with bad content try and find the good because ultimately you don't want to take people's enjoyment of the bad away because taking enjoyment out of the world is bad and it's very interesting because you're like oh what about enjoyment of you know that's why i brought up that's why i brought up the holocaust with dx right right that went well it's like what about people who enjoy the holocaust like it's a part yeah i know right just right took away took away his own job with that crap like yeah he's saying he doesn't want critics in the world like he doesn't want people to judge things but he wants a youtube channel judging things it was just such an odd well he said that he kind of um his hobbit videos where i think his big break originally and he said that if anybody stopped enjoying the hobbit films thanks to his videos that's a bad thing and whereas my position is whatever happens happens if they watch my video and their emotions have changed as a result that's what are we gonna do that's that's how things go it seems like it's there's a desire to just abandon the concept of quality like true quality what makes a movie good because if there's a bad movie you can't judge it and then establish it as bad in other people's minds because everything must be valued because someone worked on it like look i get that people participation award and everyone might admire that they try but i'd rather people try and succeed instead of try and make mediocre or bad even and the only way you can help people succeed honestly is by trying to establish what is good and what is bad i mean when i started out writing all right i needed to learn that the first stuff i wrote was absolute trash like horrible stuff okay and the only way that i could do that is by critical review honestly look and getting and getting really harsh honest feedback from other people but thank goodness that happened because then i could get a little bit better and after you know what i was like um 12 years 11 or something years of me working at it i was able to write a half decent book and actually made you know a success out of it got a good bit of mental there's a good bit of money as well i'm all just saying on the side and that was and money man being critical all right and and trying to improve and get better at stuff while but i just i can't stand this idea of it just abandoning what the uh pursuit of quality like you can't criticize it well now that you've just said that i want to be aware of a tweet from chris stuck sorry about this shad with this oh i was just thinking of these so i know what you're gonna show he was actually talking about this i'm a different person nothing personal buddy but i mean i mean i'm sure you can disagree with me on do you want to read it out for him rags all right let's do it without the filmmaker there is no film critic the filmmaker takes all the risks spending years in their life crafting something the film critic spends 90 minutes in a theater and maybe a few hours in front of a computer even when we hate a film it's good to remember that chris go fuck yourself what a worthless thing to say i mean i can kind of get that is saying you can admire the effort people put into it but if he's trying to say as a result of that you can't criticize it i was like no i doubt he's saying that yeah um it's it's relatively unclear what the overall specific statement is but i think the implication at least one of the implications i got was that um the effort to make a film is always going to be greater than the effort to make film criticism which i would disagree with so yeah well yeah i'm i'm i'd i would say sure but that's a more yeah like dare i say subjective thing because i can i guess it depends on how much effort people put into a film versus how much effort people put into technically we have a mathematical formula for work but yeah i mean you could quantify the individual review based on the individual movie to determine you get directors who turn up to set with a coffee and they're like go uh that'll be to the enough for today see you guys you know that's sort of like the lowest common denominator and then you'll have critics who are obsessed with getting every detail right who work yeah i mean production values i've no way of knowing this i've no i've knowing this but i i would hazard the assumption that perhaps i probably put in a bit more effort into my book than the script of The Last Jedi i mean when you look at the script you just wonder how much review did this go through like was this just something someone brain vomited onto a you know the screen and just say yes let's do it i i think chris should go further back without cinemas there would be no film so if your cinemas carpets covered in carbon spit in your popcorn don't complain without him he's implying it's like you know you need you need the them in order to have let's just say us for the sake of this argument the problem is that a lot of filmmakers start because of film critics yeah they're inspired and so it's this is just a really awkward tweet to me i'm just like what are you trying to say you're upset that like some critics are a little bit um i don't know up their own arse a bit maybe that it and this taking a risk thing it's like you artists create something they want to create for fun and at the worst it gets forgotten and at the best it gets rewarded and celebrate those risks there's a lot of filmmakers that make crap fucking films and then there they get more money to make more films like i just get sick of these risk taking mentality no no they want to be filmmakers they want to do something any artist that wants to do something they're meant to be doing it for the love and if they get rewarded that's great but they don't guarantee to reward interestingly all of us can definitely be a little bit pissed with that the statement that the film critic spends 19 minutes 90 minutes in the cinema and then a few hours at the computer is like maybe because we're not as lazy as you chris like i can't help but be like chris you're the dude who does that okay not all critics give a shit because he wants to be a filmmaker doesn't he yes he does actually yes yeah that's all right he's just setting up future when people come at him but he'd criticize things this is he's laying the groundwork for a it's his safety net to say well come on no i was on the filmmaker side all along he's made two shorts if any of them are released publicly or at least available to sell we'll totally do any fat movies like let's test it out i tell you what that i tell you i just to give i guess a perspective from the other side um when my book released there was no point in my life where i felt more emotionally vulnerable than at that time and it was it was a eye-opening experience because when you do make something that you put your blood sweat tears into and then it is open to the like just you know everyone's thoughts the whole world is now open to criticize it and stuff oh boy yeah it's a nervous it is a nerve-wracking experience the problem is that when you get criticism of really high production value it essentially converts into a new form of creativity like a product or a that's true and when i was saying that i'm not saying therefore people should not criticize people's works or even my work because that's hand-in-hand that's part of the thing it's an in-factual fact that's an essential part of creating something and trying to create something good because if you did make something bad you do need to know about it and it's when people give you the feedback that you know and uh i was lucky because the book is done really well but that doesn't mean it's flawless people have been able to point out things that i could do better it's like all right now i know when i'm writing the next book i know certain things that i can improve on and i'm better for it um so yeah like yeah i just i guess it'd be hard to it's never occurred to me ever to be like but i put so much work into it but i work so long on it you must love it because i worked so hard on it that's no that's not right it's just insane i that's never even coming to my mind as a defense it's like but i work so hard respect the fact that i took all those hours to make something like the the work that you put into it is is basically irrelevant it's just whatever the final product is that's important you'd appreciate commitment if you want to i mean it's up to the person judging i guess but when you're trying to specifically judge the final product how much time it took to make it is only going to be relevant to arguments in relation to how much time took to make it if you know what i mean like it's sometimes the all amount of effort you know well for example like if you look at something that has really bad special effects i just read something in chat sorry i just read something chat where someone said hitlow worked really hard too that's correct yeah um yeah i was gonna say when you look at like really really old um low budget movies or something and you find out like certain things just couldn't be done um people like automatically expect you to take that into consideration in terms of you can't say it's bad because there was never a chance of them being doing anything else or something it would just be well i mean in that instance you could say well it was good for its time but because quality standards have improved if you're measuring it against the standards we have in the modern day i'm sorry it doesn't hold up i think that's fair to say i think that it all matters with uh contextualizing a little bit and i just don't like the implication that critics aren't creating here i say it art themselves when i watched the blink of videos on the prequels back in the day i was like holy shit this is a new type of of like criticism video i have i watched it like a movie i was like what is going on here this is weird i was entertained it was funny it had like a through line like a narrative and i love the character and the stupid skits like i was like what is happening you know it's got this is going beyond just um recording a vlog we're like yeah i thought the movie was cool i like some of these bits i didn't like some of these bits like this is a full on art form now and then he gets critics there'll be people responding like what we're doing right now like that's what e-fap is it's holding the critics to a critical light and we all get the same thing and so could you then make the argument that like hey critic critics couldn't exist without critics so you know the critic takes all the risk by putting the controversial opinion out there and trying to get the right accurate information and order it all up and get the maybe guests or production values all straight all you have to do is watch their video and then record a vlog for 90 minutes where you just say oh i didn't like it yeah yeah it also seems to be a bit of a misplace of value saying you know uh critics wouldn't exist without the filmmakers or no the film wouldn't be successful without critics being willing to judge it hopefully on an objective stand and be able to tell other people if it's good or not i mean like a lot of people rely on the critical response depending on which not the rotten tomato score but the audience score and so just but like if you find someone you trust their opinion and they're able to say hey this is a good movie you might want to check it out that adds value and that lets me know of something that's good for me to watch that i didn't know previous to it and that has tremendous value you could say movies rely on that kind of thing sometimes good word of mouth but they move the goalposts so much all every one of these guys that wants to sit here and talk about hate and the haters will go to a screening of the room and cheer and clap and laugh and have a good time i think yeah but those are our bad movies first of all we'll probably say like you do have to appreciate the toby waso did try to make a movie put a lot of effort there i should be like chris come on dude come on yeah like they're not standing up you know screaming at the crowd stop laughing this is a you put a lot of effort into this you know so it all comes down to what films they like whether you're allowed to laugh and join in or not it seems to also be like a um extension of the cultural thing where you can't have any losers okay in a race everyone's a winner okay because you can't make people feel bad and stuff kind of yeah and didn't chris dogman rip into the prequels as well we couldn't we just make the argument back to him it's possible he's laughing at bad films too so i like exactly i really appreciated his review on robin hood where he just openly said it's a crap movie and i was like good when you see crap point it out like how could you they took time on that makes you wonder what time like gosh the dark side has taken over star wars fandom i'm serious the only people i really enjoy talking about star wars with now are women fans that are into it now okay because all women are the same i thought he said there was a great man out there that was interesting there you're not getting laid dude what i have sex is tea just thinks they were all the same i don't see the connection of what he was talking about one thing and then now i could only talk about star wars with fee with women are you saying there's not one guy on the planet that shares your same views about star wars yeah he must have a lot of guy friends who may have seen this video and been like dude hell this is crap i thought we were friends man well i guess that's gotta be a good help thing as well like i could already talk about stars with women these days that is so loaded in many ways what he just said then if he is implying that only like only men dislike this movie and if the movie is legitimately bad is kind of implying without realizing that men are looking at this movie objectively and women are incapable or the women he knows are incapable of looking at this movie objectively because they like it and men don't is that what is saying well he's gonna develop this i'm i'm i'm beyond curious um they could be old fans or or new fans you think you think you like talking about star wars with anna oh he probably hate talking about it with her she's not the wrong i guess she's just the wrong kind of woman i guess imagine she like explains all the problems with it that he goes but you're you're actually a trans i wonder if it from his perspective because it seems like he likes star wars and last year i said he loves what disney is doing with it and so he might be thinking he's making a big compliment to women is you know virtue singling again because it seems like women they get it they understand the why this movie is good and men don't say ergo women smart men stupid is that what he's saying i i mean i'd have to wait for him to actually get close to something like that i assume he's saying men are being too toxic i that's the way that people like to use we'll see oh yeah he's pick up line like is he is he trying to pick up with this does he think someone's got a touchy touching because of this touch they put a hand on his shoulder and he's like it happened it happened dear tyree today i got the touch it was everything that they said it would be it's exciting i get to like talk about characters and it's fun and it's like oh this cool like metaphor that you could look at or dissect this it's like oh yeah sweet like this is a lot of fun but i there are plenty of guys do it go talk to pop culture exactly or jack say the whole there's plenty of go talk to these beta males the premise here is undefined it's totally undermined by the fact that i have fun with my movie there are guys that share his same opinion and girls who viciously disagree with them and hate the movie too so like it's that's debunked from the get go here yeah majorly eric taxon as people that patricia taxon i find that when i'm talking with um some guys in the real world uh you know at a comic book store or when i read comments on the internet or twitter or whatever and it's just so negative all the time and you guys love the film this is bullshit you would think like i'm starting to like get the impression though that most people seem to dislike it like the larger majority have caught on to that yeah this movie is just trash there are there are there are chambers dare i say echo chambers filled with thousands of people who adore the film if i was to be completely honest i still think it's pretty divided i don't i don't know about 50 50 but but in my experience yeah tlg because the comparison i always try and bring up is uh season eight game of thrones nobody liked it as far as i can tell the few outliers sure but that's one where i would be like it's like 95 percent oh a tlg 60 40 is probably as far as i would go in terms of hate love well maybe it's my own echo chamber yeah like this is kind of just the impression that i get from interacting with my own audience and uh most of my the sorry the subscribers on my channel don't like it there are a few that do but most certainly seem to just despise the movie but i don't know maybe people who like swords are i think he said talking star wars is people like on twitter that absolutely hate last jedi but then they'll get on to the ot and be talking about old characters and the books and and loving it you know and getting right into it so like he said you know he can't talk about star wars at all to any man like do you know it's one film that we mostly hate how many men as he talked to is it like three and they were all from like a same group of people were they us it's just this podcast it's like fine dude it's all hating and ruining star wars so critical and it's always like comparing it to what you used to have and you know yeah weird we do that when it's you know a sequel can you believe that yeah but moller it's only a sequel if you interpret it to be a sequel we might be covering that next week unless was that from his video on you was that i can't remember anymore i think that was his own video well act no that thing that was his video on me yeah only a sequel if you and ironically said that have you heard that one right uh sorry uh shad have you heard that one i haven't i it's only a brain is probably still there you would interpret it was that one person saying that yeah it was quintan reviews oh no professional film critic yeah no it's such a like i kind of even if i told like the average person that i imagine they'd be like i mean the implication of that stand you hadn't seen the others watching it on its own and trying to figure what the fuck was going on yeah the implication of that statement is essentially objective reality doesn't exist then because you can interpret it and then everything is valid and so interpreters like no no there is an objective reality i mean there is objective truth oh yeah well cast is the cast that's insane it really is insane you just the more you think about it the more is that's a head scratcher right there oh yeah that's the kind of that's the kind of thought you just you just sit in the shower and think about for a few hours did you see weird tweet about himself where he was kind of like i'm he implies that he's better than the quartering didn't need to leave that oh did he i'm i'm i'm i'm back hello for you oh for 10 minutes mate update me what happened yeah well in the 10 minutes you absolute plague doctor why how long how long was it like 25 at least oh okay sorry disgusting what what what i miss we were just talking about quintons hot take that his videos are better than the quartering i mean first off first off like why the fuck would you make a meme about yourself that's positive that's just you don't do that did even i don't know if he made the lead but he definitely self posted it so it's just like oof well he shouldn't have done that that's fucking stupid i'll try and find a few no i made a tweet i think i suppose he's gonna make a meme with so many levels yeah going back to that concept right that um that the whole subjective verse objective thing i think it's it could be a matter of people just not really trying to break down what certain you know concepts mean when they say everything is subjective i think there there's a there's a misunderstanding something the truth that could be found in that is that no everything can be looked upon in a subjective manner but that doesn't mean everything is subjective or undermine the objective reality of certain things and so the statements can exist correctly together in the sense that everything is actually objective there is an objective truth that undermines nearly everything that i can think of and those objective standards can be viewed upon in a in a subjective way and so everything can be viewed in a subjective way but that doesn't mean the objective truth is subjective that's the disconnect and that's what i think people are like taking the the concept that everything can be seen in a subjective way then they take it way too far and say everything is subjective it's like no no stop misunderstanding this concept okay well i mean how who the fuck actually believes that everything is subjective is like the the real question that i have when i hear this stuff like nobody believes that nobody deep down believes that like everybody knows that's bullshit i know yeah it's it makes me half want to go up and slap someone and they say you slapped me i was like not from my subjective point no no my opinion like what what you define as a slap i disagree with what i did was a global opinion look and that's what i did and that's my opinion that's a good thing and that's my opinion and you can't take that away from me it's like yeah this is not how the universe works there are things that just are an aunt like i don't know what to say it is written in history as a permanent fact that i just slapped you i can't fucking you know it's like okay there's gravity i can't just like will myself to fly like it's not that attitude i'm not captain mark well i'm not captain marvel but like you know it it's like okay so what does that tell us gravity works in such and such a way something that i would like to do i cannot do it's impossible it and that's not my opinion it's not my judgment it's just the way it is and everybody knows that everybody believes these things like nobody believes that everything is subjective well an interesting kind of qualifier to try and understand the whole argument and i didn't mean to derail us onto this but i blame mohler because he brought up the statement like oh dear not on that pretend like fringy you're standing five meters away from me and in between us is a wooden cut out of the letter six now i push it over and so when i look at it on the ground it is the letter six but you're five meters away from me when you look at it it is the letter nine okay and then if you say this is the letter nine this is an objective fact and i look at you say no this is the letter six that's an objective fact these two statements are both objectively correct but they're based on our different perspective and that's i think is a very key point people need to try and figure out and realize is what is the perspective that someone is uh using to base their judgment upon because if you can figure that out you can then figure out the objective standard and what the idea is that those are two objective standards that contradict one another but are both correct based on a different perspective chat wants to tell you that those are numbers not letters yeah i uh i thought i i thought i thought you were going somewhere i was objectively wrong i had no no just say subjective like i i uh i thought you were going somewhere with that because you said the letter six and i was about to interrupt like uh oh maybe this is part of maybe i didn't say that i was doing 3d chess right there um but yeah no the whole idea with uh the whole idea without analogy of six and nine is what we're trying to do is establish a common basis from which we can view you know media storytelling so that we have like a common understanding of what it is and once we establish the baseline we can go forward from there and the baseline should just be like what is a story what is a plot like what are characters things like that exactly and people seem to take the thing that because there are two different perspectives you can look and therefore judge something by those it's all subjective and you can't officially establish whether this number is a six or nine it's like no you absolutely can just figure out what the standard is the perspective you're judging it by then absolutely but people don't seem to just follow the logic through and they say no i think the sun is a hot tart and that's my opinion uh thios asked a couple of times he's asking what does everything is subjective mean and i'm assuming both of you agree with this but the idea that there is nothing that is that is definitive everything is up in the air everything is no element of any discussion of anything in the entire world because the english language was created by people language communication terms were created by people and just the fact that we are we are limited conduits we are just these fleshy entities that can only translate a portion of what reality in universe is so we're flawed at the core of being able to say what is objectively in reality but it's just become the go-to for stop talking i don't like what you're saying it's not even that deep it's just everything subjective so stop talking stop having an opinion yeah exactly and you know more to the point if we're all flawed in the same way then that's fine now we can just go from that point yeah we're all flawed in the same way so we're starting from the same place same common ground right it sounds like it's a semantic issue with that point i'd be like okay so we just need to change what objective means in terms of it's not uh if there are things beyond our ability to perceive then we're not including those we can't how would even know they exist yeah and the whole you know everything is subjective is contradicted by the fact that that is an objective standard you've just established yeah it is how do you know that problem for all they know we are seeing the reality to 100% if you include all the tools humanity has at its disposal and stuff not just our eyes because we obviously know there are things our eyes can't see that are there but how would we know something is there without having known it was there already you know if you know what i mean like we can't we we we may discover a new an additional plane or additional um the form level of reality but until we discover it we can't know that we haven't discovered it if that makes sense i uh i also noticed that you were discussing chris duckman's because i was listening in the car chris duckman's tweet about film i i mean what i find funny about it is it just it just says a lot about his process he spends 90 minutes at a theater and then a few hours in front of a computer and that's what he does but other people put in more effort and time and like way to under undervalue criticism as a part of storytelling i mean is is criticism not just like a fundamental component of creating stories anyway because you have to criticize yourself if you combine his statements with the idea that it's all subjective and we're just sharing our opinions then criticism does become a little bit kind of meh who cares what's criticism useful it's a fun thing to do yeah while while filmmaking is much more serious endeavor with a lot more effort and risk criticism is just you know you know just sharing your opinion they are the masters of the universe we are merely the critics the slaves the dirt pushers the shit filers at the bottom is like feasting on the reason why he's that's the thing though like when i read this all i can think is you're trying to pander to the crowd that you want to be part of you want to make movies so you want to distance yourself from the shit things you've said about other movies because you don't want to cut yourself out from the industry also nice to me critics because remember i said that thing so and also like i'm i'm sure that he said that some movies are just complete shit what is he said that about the new robin hood movie he just ripped it apart it was like what did he sat down yeah well i mean i don't i don't really like any of his reviews personally but the thing is um you know what like that that that's that but if he sat down in the room with the guy who made that movie i think he'd buckle i think he'd buckle immediately i think you just fall back and not stand by what he said because he doesn't want to piss anybody off because he wants opportunities to make movies that this is what i mean this is why it just seems so cynical to me it's like hey guys i'm one of you too i'm a filmmaker too guys like me it's like fucking criticism is part of filmmaking holy shit it's symbiotic fucking hell well he does say that in the second part of the tweet he says that it's a symbiotic relationship but he goes on to then say that you have to respect each other and i'm like whoa no you don't why do you have to respect you don't and this this comes down to again how different different people look at respect in different ways how it's how it's provided or in etc what it means yeah all right there's also an implication yeah but there's also an implication where what is there an idea that if you dislike something therefore you do not respect the people who make it you can dislike something against your respects whoever made it and you can dislike something and not respect the person who made it as well they these don't contradict one another especially very true well the thing is it's like of crazy why are they tied together what why the fuck are they intrinsically linked as though like it surely it should be apparent that when you're criticizing a film you're not actually criticizing like the character of the person who made it necessarily the thing is people take criticism as attacks as their personal yeah that's that's their prerogative to do that i know but it's wrong it's wrong people shouldn't take things like that personally what depends if if somebody trying to invalidate their feelings like like if somebody if somebody were reviewing your bookshad and they're like this book shit and shad shit fuck shad it's like that's i agree i agree i get yeah exactly but but if someone said but a lot like there are some you know one or two reviews that are like they do they hate the author they think i'm being a pretty evil thing um and so they just lost the plot but then there are other people say i really like shan like his content uh and but i didn't like the book and so that you know that's a perfect example of people respecting the person who made it but disliking the thing most of the reviews are overwhelmingly positive so that's really great and that's like the best ever and i think that's that's the risk reward thing about creating anything okay is you're risking a huge amount of investment of time and stuff um and money in the hopes that you would get the payoff of people liking it but that doesn't mean that people have to like it because you work so hard on it no no uh you know it's the goal that's what you want is irrelevant you could work like not hard on something at all and make something really good like the time is not important it's it's and this is the thing like a lot of people who work in creative industries well yeah exactly i mean the reality is i've slapped it together in 10 minutes and it was hilarious that fucking boogie beam rags we lost our shit with that one we actually did lose our shit i have i'm still looking for my shit that i lost are you are you talking about the what the thing that he said yeah be baited into uh a little a quick oh yeah i i do love that one you know at least right right this is not he's believing something it's like wow good job it's true they didn't believe in something good job boogie you said it's true um yeah i was gonna bring up by the way to to try and give the best benefit of the doubt the risk he must be referring to outside of money when making something is the risk of people disliking it because if there is no like potential for creating something awful it's only that you create something that people may not like um you'd you wouldn't necessarily want to and i guess that um criticism is still useful in that he could look at the vast majority of it and see what most of them are looking for and then make something that appeals to it but again that doesn't seem like uh i'd be like you know you shouldn't try and make something just like according to everyone's specifications if you know what i mean like i don't know if that's where it should originate from also yeah it's pretty much impossible there is a hard reality that comes into criticism that i think is you know perfectly valid and important but it is a hard reality that a lot of creative types need to kind of be aware of if they're going into it and it's the fact that like say the best example i can give is my book not like i'm trying to always reference it but say i wrote my shadow wrote a book everyone i wrote a book lies so it was legitimately bad it was legitimately bad he put his own name into the title yeah and this is the thing right like all the reviews one star even like as people hating it and it was legitimately bad just because i really want to be a writer and an author doesn't mean i should okay and the hard reality is that maybe this might not be the best thing for you to pursue yeah i think i think that's uh i think i'm glad you actually mentioned that because that's the kind of thing that uh like what i mull over often when i'm working on something i'm like this fucking shit fuck this this is piece of shit like the question that you need to that you should be asking at some point is now i would like to do this i would very much like to do this but am i going about it the right way do i have the potential to do i mean this is the same questions that people ask it's like i want to be an astronaut it's like have you studied physics have you studied mathematics do you care to do you think that it's something that you can do are you of enough mental fortitude that you could last in complete isolation for several months potentially like if you're going on a Mars mission it's like no okay well yeah you don't cut out for it you don't cut out for it you want to do it but that doesn't matter exactly and this is exactly the same as writers and even movie makers and stuff the desire the even as pure and virtuous your desire is to be a filmmaker or anything does not make it's that you deserve to be successful you might be shit at it yeah you might need and and look if my book was really really bad and everything like that you know i could say all right i'm going to work at trying to get better and that's good okay all that's a good you know um a goal but there should be a time in which you might need to realize if it's even possible for you to get better at what you're trying to be successful at if you're not improving and you just completely just regurgitating crap it might be time for you to reassess your life goals and try and find something that you're good at and then try and be successful at that um and then and start out on it because that's what seems to be it seems to be like people are making a lot of crap movies and people are saying no because they worked hard on it you can't criticize like no okay the the hard reality is we will probably want the people making bad movies to stop making bad movies so we get good movies i mean how how hard you work is irrelevant it's um that's just not important it's um it's something that you can definitely take into account you know like after the fact you can be like yeah you worked hard but it doesn't impact the quality of the actual work it's um you know somebody could spend one minute making something and it's really good somebody could spend their whole life making something and it's not good i was like yeah i can appreciate that you worked hard but that's not that's not what we're talking about we're talking about the actual product divorce from that it's just it's just not relevant yeah most things people work hard on like movies and tv shows and stuff that doesn't it's not a factor with any art form it's the finished product that's all it should matter you shouldn't know anything else about the creation of it really like because if it's good it's good it's bad it's bad i couldn't give a fuck how long you spend on something because it makes no difference in the well that's an important point because there are some people who are just insanely talented that they don't need to put nearly as much effort into creating something as other people do and what they make is so much better and it was so easy for just because it was easy for them to make doesn't devalue what they made you judge it based on the true quality of that you know ryan johnson thinks he's one of those people he thinks that first draft will do and we all saw the result of that so some people should put some more effort in instead of telling us that you know one draft are you optimal uh i believe me yeah that's all i want members is australian so you got the four of you know that one that's great well i like that i like it a lot that is awesome i have to say this is pretty awesome as well i feel like yeah there we go that's a good one six it's nine it's they work fine don't they oh never with that doubt but it's so appropriate to the concept that's being talked about that's great i love it it's actually it's an a yeah you could push for an a just just yeah it could be an a that's right there we go and then uh gavin monroe uh i think i've he mentioned i'd missed this one previously it was uh just a little piece of work for wolf i will try and pass it on it's quite nice that's cool and yeah we should probably back to the video oh yeah we got a video don't we cool guy you're the problem he's so enthralling we can't we forget we're even watching him of when you were 16 okay it doesn't mean they were the best it's just because you were at that age where it it was the best or you're in a position in life where it is the best and it's okay if star wars isn't the same anymore it shouldn't be yes that's my issue is that it's not you know we don't care if it's the same we care that it's different and it's shit and it's funny those other films came out when everyone was 16 like they were loved around the world because everyone was at that certain age everyone in the world was 16 we've aged differently 16 year olds liked it empire in a new hope and not the same no yeah very different i might argue they're ghastly different vastly different and it's like and it's like is also implying that when kids like something that means it doesn't like it isn't good like like what is that would know i think because kids can like something that is actually legitimately good that adults would like as well it's yeah absolutely it wasn't and what's the same we should be like the prequels should it be like the he just he just presented a counter-argument to himself like what even is the same he's like same as what old trilogy it's it's it's gonna be different and it's gonna change and grow and not do things you want because you don't get to write it because you're not a filmmaker okay there's a one though what the hell is saying that we dislike it because it's different no we dislike it because it's bad no it's because you're not a filmmaker shad you're not a filmmaker okay you're not a filmmaker it's like i just i can't stand these people that just set up stupid straw man like this and say this is how people are acting and you're dumb because come off it i don't write it's frustrating there's either what we got or what's in your head yeah and you didn't get that so this is the only other option exactly oh i just i was like are you a filmmaker you just liked it because it was different yeah and that's okay but there's just this attack on the internet the internet men being anonymous on the internet whoa man what the hell they're probably all they're probably are you know women who dislike the movie too i would imagine you know no no no it seems unlikely they're all men all the way that's crazy replace men with literally any like of the other word well i was going to say anywhere other than white because white white would be okay too but put put Asians in there put jewish people they're like a bunch of black people just don't like this film a bunch of women just don't like this film it's so fucked up isn't it i hate this it's it's so wrong like it really upsets me it bugs me it's actually sexist is automatically defaulting that everyone who dislikes this movie is a man that is such a sexist mindset yes it is and women should be offended by that mindset as well i think a lot of women are offended by this i didn't like the movie they're womening wrong yeah or mening right this is more offensive it's more offensive to women because he's just putting them all in one place do it to me until we're all hide it that star was girl was here she'd just be like this is bullshit is what i think is really ruining star i'd say the shitty because your opinion doesn't matter let's discuss how what does he mean your opinion doesn't matter like what is he like in reference to what and how and how does something matter because if it's box office if he's talking about box office returns then yes the the opinions of star was fans matter a lot yes it does there are youtubers that if they give a glowing they can get them a whole bunch of sales like the the opinion surely matters even if it's to a small degree it surely matters of course it matters well i mean who are you making these films for i mean i reviewed elita battle angel for the express sorry express purpose of trying to get more people to see it and it worked okay that was you know an opinion that had an effect imagine when episode nine comes out that all five of us release a video is extended that talks about the amazing quality of star was episode nine you really think we wouldn't get at least one ticket sold between us is like i think so and then i think disney would it would be like oh that looks like that oh how can you say this would disney have people paid to come out and watch these films and then report on them as a good thing the whole scholarship with collider it's like what's they matter and even the opinions the thing is even opinions that don't have huge you know far-reaching influences or anything like even just mild influences and stuff it doesn't invalidate the opinion like if the opinion is for the individual of course it matters it's based on their own feelings and opinions that might not matter to other people but it's just a very interesting and loaded statement yeah i'm just curious about matters that's what i'd be curious about well yeah what does he mean by that it's like what does he mean when he says it doesn't matter it doesn't matter to who if he means the uterus oh yeah like 10 opinions better because the good opinions matter to him clearly but bad opinions those don't matter you're only allowed to like things you can't not this is what i mean he's a fucking hypocrite if opinions don't matter then fuck your opinion i don't care what you think i'm assuming he's gonna say his doesn't either let me just roll it back see oh yes because your opinion doesn't matter okay it doesn't it you probably haven't even seen the movie what so i gave him the benefit of the doubt and i'm very disappointed you probably haven't even seen the movie okay we hate the movie you mustn't have seen it maula without seeing it and not like it it's that amazing the hell maula without seeing it you really guessed correctly what happened you did an amazing job of filling those hairs by guessing because you obviously didn't say it well i mean see no planet i think that's most people guessed that like kamikaze to save the world with most people guessed that luke being a coward how could you not see that coming like that's pretty much just a logical progression we all guessed that what a strange thing to say like you know when people like really hate something and i think they might be off the mark the last thing i'll accuse them of is you never even watched the film to begin with it's like of course they did they hate it because they watched it he's saying it's like you couldn't have possibly seen it like getting getting something wrong sure because everyone's gonna get shit wrong i'll get shit wrong but like not seeing it what are you like why would he think that they haven't seen it what if they've said things about the film like as that are in the film they just i guess they just it's a from a trailer or they guessed right or this is this is the most retarded thing like i can't believe we all guessed it was a rose character and last time too man and that she'd be worse than jar jar bigs we all guessed that well what what is the time this video came out maybe it's like right after it came out or well that's i mean it's not that's not even a defense it's just maybe he thinks that it's so so soon afterwards that no one's actually seen it or darkness said imagine how long more this video would have been if he'd seen the film i think he's referencing the um the score people putting on rotten tomatoes of if they were excited to see a movie which they then later removed the only thing you could possibly justify this where there's there's a hate train and some people join it whether or not they've even seen the movie right and there are some people sure i'm sure there's some out there there's other people who yeah like people in the world who's awakens and refuse to support disney they might say yeah episode nine episode eight sucks and like have you even seen it and go i've watched reviews but conversely there might be people who are of the opposite view who haven't seen the movie but are just on its side but yeah like i don't need to see it i just know that i trust disney as this guy said is like i like disney's stalls i want to see whatever you if you have seen the movie great don't see the next one that's not so that's what the opinion matters is is that what he challenge accepted the thing is that logic there is if you have an opinion you probably haven't seen it don't see the next one then your opinion will matter what if someone like said i hated force awakens for what they did to han solo but i will absolutely see episode eight because i love luke skywalker what would you say then these arguments are shit moller i yeah i'm not sure what to say like the idea is like if you don't like it don't watch it people say that game of thrones they're like why are you guys watching it if you didn't like episode three why watch episode four five and six like because i want to know what the fuck happens exactly you don't know if it's gonna be bad before you go into watching it that's the whole point of watching in the first place because we're often hyperbolic about it but episode nine could be good it's just a really low fucking percentage chance well i mean it would be so difficult to make it good that i'm reserved to believing that it won't be good yeah and i don't think there's anything wrong with saying i believe it will be a bad film um and i'm gonna go see it for you can have all kinds of well i mean the thing is you know how like in the several times i think i'm gonna love to and i i enjoy laughing you know you know how like in video game discussions a lot of the time people say things like this game is that really dumb it wow that was like a perfect cut out this game is nothing what did he say that's true the game is the uh you can hear me now right yeah yeah uh the the common thing where they'll say like this game is going to be game of the year and like they don't know that and i kind of find it annoying when people say that but nobody really gets on someone's back for saying i think this game will be good but when you say i think it will be bad they're like you haven't even played it yet you haven't even watched it yes like yeah but do you think there's a reason why i'm coming to this conclusion i mean what is the point of promotional material if not to make you form a judgment of something you know based on that promotional material something we were talking about earlier the whole like you're allowed it's much everyone's you're allowed to have positive opinions yeah yeah so people who are like oh i can't wait to play this game it's gonna be so good it's like you haven't even played it yeah you don't you don't catch that that often but you do catch plenty of oh i fucking this game looks terrible it's like you haven't even played it well i think death stranding is a good example of that nobody knows what that game is nobody knows about and if you say like i'm not really that interested it's like oh come on this stupid you haven't played it it's kojima he only makes good games you know god and it's like that's yeah that's that's not a very good argument but you know you can get a good idea of if the game is going to be good or bad based on you know that's the point that's the whole point of promotional material yeah that's the point that's why it exists like this is why i don't know what do you do i don't know okay imagine going through the world that week like he's saying you can love star wars your life but if you go see a film that shits all over it and you hate don't say anything because that doesn't matter well you just give up on the entire franchise you should stop watching it because you hate it yeah how are we supposed to just walk away and be quiet he's like supporting the idea because like you know we just said it's theoretically possible we could have 11 team i'm making up a number for this 11 team bad movies from disney star wars and then the next one's good that could happen and if you love the content of star wars and you're holding out hope is that not reason enough to go see it you just admitted you're like you know i really want this to be good i really like star wars and if you just give up yeah yeah apparently you're like you're like you're mad it's a white bother it's like oh i don't know see i'm almost like that with star wars now like the last jet i ruined so much that the continuity now is just broken and anything building off that continuity like then like a next movie even if it's good it's trying to say that therefore what actually happened in that last movie really did happen and i'm not sure i can allow my uh my thing with star wars is i'm now basically only interested in side stories or like other things nothing to do with the main story that's why i'm interested in the Mandalorian that's why i'm interested in like the side content but i i've lost all investment in like the main saga as it were because as much as i would like to pretend that the new movies aren't canon they are so it's ruined well by any meaningful like of what canon is outside of your own person will take on what canon is like yeah it's canon well yeah i know like i can't change the official status but like i will never you know buy the last jet i or anything right you can think too so a lot of wouldn't have done that and like i'll just think of the expanded universe the uh the you know the the stories with luke and all the in the books and stuff i'll say that that's that's uh how star wars should have gone yeah it's um that's yeah have disney giving uh the writing to let's just say so someone we typically have a lot of faith in and then a director we have a lot of faith in people who care about source material and they talk publicly about how they're gonna do a story that's completely unrelated to everything we've seen the movies previously but it's still in the star wars universe i'd be like all right give me a good trailer and i'm game because i like star wars um that doesn't mean i just because under disney doesn't automatically mean it'll be a disaster and i should never try and no i uh i'm kidding i'm still in i'm quite keen on the Mandalorian i think it looks cool i like me some space bounty hunter stuff and the people are attached to it you know pretty decent yeah pretty good track record i don't know what's gonna happen same for the mcu right now i'm like um yeah well because you got like taika watsidia which is you know a good sign he's doing some a lot of people are hating him but uh because of a lot because of that movie he's been saying he'll crap on um what canon or what's being established oh yeah he said he doesn't care about um wasn't it north mythology he said he's gonna uh i mean north mythology is not very well respected in like Thor canon anyway in like the mcu so it's not be fair and everything but there's no need to be like i don't give a shit no uh it's yeah it's um well imagine if like you know they're making god of war and they're like yeah fuck north mythology we're setting it in you know north mythology but i'm setting it in Jamaica man hey the god of war i come for you i mean i i still like taika watsidia anyway just because i like i like Thor Ragnarok a lot and if it's like Thor Ragnarok i'll probably enjoy it if you can get off my ass off then i'm game i guess uh i guess the thing with the mcu phase four is it's like what what are we really looking forward to like what what's on the horizon that's really exciting from that um mainly like Thor and um what are the other movies that are coming out so we've got Black Widow Eternals um and then Doctor Strange yeah yeah Doctor Strange that might be interesting i like that they brought um Scarlet Witch into that yeah i'm really keen on that it seems like a good pairing that might be interesting to watch it does anyway back to the video yeah we're gonna get back to that that's when your opinion can matter is when you don't use your purchasing power to not purchase no that it is stop stop that's not a good argument we've seen public we've definitely seen opinions without money change influence things this is just referred to youtubers again they could go and pay to see the movie like five times but they would still wouldn't compare to the amount of thousands they might stop from seeing is is that what it's saying though is he's saying that if you don't like it you can just not watch it and that would affect him that's it yeah he's implying that that's what you should be doing instead of hating on it and not talk about it oh no once you don't like something just abandon it this is the thing like i'm sorry but i don't know about you guys but in terms of franchises and series the mcu i'm just supposed to be watching a movie in the mcu and go oh that was bad i hope the next one's better like that sort of thing yeah i i would like to reference captain marvel we were all hoping oh i hope endgame is good is trying to say if it's bad don't watch it but you need to watch it to determine if it's bad i mean that's if you don't want to go off the you know critical response and things like that but generally i avoid listening to critics i sorry reviews and stuff to a movie i'm intending to watch because i want to you know see it without any you know preconceived opinions in my head and so what is saying just won't work it's just but also even if we don't go no one goes the next movie it loses money ryan johnson is still a cunt he's still a fucking great mark hamill like so we we want to let him know that just not going to the next film doesn't explain that to them yeah well it's just um you know i think they'll be like oh it's apathy it's just like people are losing interest it's not people were absolutely insulted and if success in the box office was the thing that determined if a movie was good well then all the transformers are brilliant same with captain marvel and it's like no okay no you think that what people thought of a movie would be important and he's implying that it isn't important which is absurd i'm a film also opinions are worthless it's like oh unless you start to play but all right what would be the reverse um so he's saying like your opinion matters when you stop paying for it does is the reverse of that your opinion matters if you're paying for it as well as in it's the affirmative and then like denying it if you know it like he's almost implying that money is the thing that matters so if you continue to supply money to the franchise that is your opinion mattering still correct this is very cynical yeah no but not just that but it just contradicts himself like because he's trying to say that if we continue to watch this franchise despite hating it we're spending money on it so that means our opinion matters still it just doesn't matter in the way that we would want it to according to him but it would still matter this is what i mean it's all very confusing he's saying we have to send him broke he wants us to send him broke if we can't look this is so bizarre like i think of the video game industry and how many times people saying yeah this is bad change it has affected things without having to do anything with money you know like what is patches if not listening to player feedback and implementing changes it's not based on the wallet it's not based on monetary statistics i mean the influence for doing it is monetary but the actual opinion is you know relevant for informing it i this is such a shallow interpretation of like communication all that matters is your wallet is it weird it's a weird take i don't even know that he would stand next to it if he really like refined this well he should have written a script he shouldn't have just said this and then uploaded it he went through editing was like yeah this is good well in fairness bring your criticism couldn't exist without him having made this video and taking the risk on it i appreciate that that's right appreciate that i i respect you i respect you uh me so fly whatever it says on a stupid shirt discussion or critical analysis of their next the failings and successes of the characters yeah i don't think people just not that's not where the bead goes leave us leave us alone rags some people just don't like shaving their necks okay so it's not like that shave your neck this is i'm gonna be the juke shave your neck okay i'll shave your neck we'll be happier in your life shave your neck bucko also don't buy lando carision funko bucks that's what i do that's what i have friends do that's what i go on to other shows and talk about and do that's enjoyable that's fun and so that's enjoyable and if it's enjoyable it's good i was just saying so what if i tell you that the reverse is fun for me what happens yeah what if we have fun talking about how good it is yeah it feels like everything's falling apart now i was like oh no fun who we would have thought fun was subjective who would have dammit and and there's a lot of men that i talk about star wars with but i'm just enjoying the conversation there's no heat why even say that there's no heat like are you serious that country he just said what when he talks about it with men that they all hate it and it's only seems like he can talk about it with women imagine being that kind of person i can only talk to insert by you know race or gender here about movies of being like racist in different ways that we're not even totally aware of like either you say you are kind of racist or you're unaware of it that's like often they take and i should be like you didn't get the you're so quick to judge men as an entirety is kind of like you got some prejudice you need to sort out there buddy well the thing is it's like clearly to him the gender of people is relevant when discussing media whereas for me it's not relevant i don't it's not important because why would it be it's it you can't choose it it doesn't affect your brain are you saying you can't choose your gender that is sorry oh fuck sorry i there's what i mean i don't even know what i'm allowed to say anymore i can imagine he was like well they're probably mad if they hate it they just don't realize it i just don't realize it and ironically yeah there's not there's no contradiction in there i guess in the way that they view the world in there you literally if i like leet or l337 sorry i have to defend myself because that's a shit you should feel ashamed of yourself so if someone tells me they like it and i ask them why i'm expecting them to be able to draw something of a reference from l337 if they tell me i cannot i have good feelings in relation to watching her and i cannot tell you anything further than that i'd just be like all right then but more are you saying the words why is an attack someone should have to explain myself and i see it in the reverse if i tell someone something and they don't want to probe it whatsoever and they rather just go mm-hmm be like okay yeah you know like sorry that i wanted to pursue your perspective sorry that i tried to explore how you came to your perspective instead i should have just said you can't help it mulley you're a man that's the thing though is it's like um you know is it not interesting to figure out why people like things like i'm more interested in the why and the how as opposed to the conclusion in the same way that i think most people are you know more concerned with the working rather than the conclusion you know it's the same reason why when you when you're doing a test they want to know how you got the answer what's this what's that you posted someone someone sent me that in discord and i'm not shocked in any way when men complain about mary sue you 100 always look dumb twice first you hate women second you don't understand how to follow story narrative that you can't see yourself in you know what i'm just gonna have to copy that word for word for good and disingenuous argument that they can't argue things so their ultimate response is you hate women because of this opinion but just take it mary sue and replace it with shit character and he didn't quote mary sue the punctuation's all wrong it was like when men complain about mary sue you 100 always look dumb twice we like who yeah you some commerce oh the thing you some commerce man like commerce is your best friend use them but this is the best thing about the statements he's trying to say that a certain statement establishes certain facts when he's unaware that his statement is establishing a very prominent you know fact about his own mindset and it's that he can't argue with people who disagree with him he would rather demonize and vilify them by saying you hate thing why does he have to presume what they think you know like why is it what's presumption of why they think that's the only way the argument works it's it's being intellectually dishonest it's not having the confidence or even the you know intelligence of being able to argue with people just you know in a debate just talking about pros and cons facts different points of what validates different views and because generally people lose those types of arguments if you have a stronger one on your your inside they rather avoid the issue and demonize you instead because if you're a bad person that means your opinions are wrong right because it's easy to engage with someone who you assume is a bad person then it is to engage with somebody who you don't make that inference and you just treat their argument like it shouldn't be about the person making the argument that's the main thing yeah you know like what if they do hate women what does that have to do with the argument like what is that good then we don't have to engage with him yeah i was going to try and correct it to make a sound better and i was like oh no i can just read this out because i'll just sound like a dumbass it'll be great he is perfect i wouldn't want to take it away from this guy thank you very much what a terrible take but it doesn't surprise me considering this video yeah character why does let me like the character i didn't like bobo you can like whoever you want why what why is he you can like whoever you want sure that's irrelevant we're not we're not talking about that if you decide to dislike a character because someone points out issues with the character then like that's you chose that that was your decision now if you don't like boba fat you hate men how does it like a genuine question is it when he talks to women he says i don't like boba fat from from the ot and they go oh i uh i do like the tlj though let me go um not a fan of jar jar binks and then he comes in like that was a great conversation we really got to explore a lot did the guy we're watching in the video is he the one who made that tweet yes yeah so based on his own logic right it would be as justifiable to say to him because he doesn't like boba fat he must hate men oh yeah that's that's that's the exact same logic he's using there there's nothing he can do he does though i'm sure he does he not know that gary stew is a concept though is he not aware of what a gary stew is that exactly there's a full male equivalent to the mary's yeah i mean it's just it's criticized as much when it well it's just as bad it's just as bad it's just that we haven't been seeing it as much lately like it's just not being as common depending on the critic as well some people were afraid of male characters as mary stews i've seen people talk about harry potter being a mary stew westley from star trek next generation is hugely criticizes being a really annoying gary stew character who's perfect in every way and uh is it an annoying character because it's again perfect um i think i think i find the gary stew one interesting because er made a video where he presented the argument that gary stews are often not as bad as mary stews and his arguments i can't remember exactly what they were but one of them is that gary stews still have to work for it like so for example john wick is a gary stew but he always has to work for the the victory at least in the first movie like it's never easy for him whereas with ray it seems to be pretty effortless yeah well this is the thing there are ways to make gary or mary stews um uh work in a narrative and accept like yeah look at cavoith from the king killer chronicles name of the wind is essentially a pretty strong um uh you know gary stew but he makes so many mistakes and his own kind of confidence and arrogance works against him in so many ways that though it works beautifully and it's an exceptional character because the idea of a prodigy character is just really talented in a lot of things can be a very workable character like but you need to justify it or work it in give some weaknesses you have them be challenged make them fail all these things and then it can come off brilliantly and so that can be applied to female mary stews and male you know gary stews equally the clarification um but people in chat so gary stew and mary stew are actually like depending on your sources can have different traits um some people see gary stew as the male version of mary stew some people see gary stew as it will be applied to males typically but they tend to have a different set of attributes um not entirely dissimilar but again i'm not sure i'd have to check definitions well to me they're equivalent i always use them you know yeah i i use them as equivalent um you just explained that er didn't and that you agree oh yeah no er has i i found it interesting i'm not sure if i agree with it because i think uh i think the things that he says probably make them not a gary stew at that point and i don't think they have to work for it you know then they're not a gary stew i don't think and i don't think that applies to say wesley crusher one of the strongly gary sues people point out and pop culture from you know star trek next generation i don't at least he's not a canton real life right well uh i actually i how about how about if we do because we we already know who we would cite as mary sues but what about a list of gary stews like what what could we cite as a list of gary stews and by that you mean male mary sues yeah yes yeah that's what you could say mary sues that are male i don't know but yeah okay uh yeah no let's uh yeah what do you reckon well one punch man but the problem is yes a lot of people include in the definition of mary sue that all the characters love them ah then that makes it basically impossible that does not apply i can't think of many well yeah because even bachat hates wesley until that's what i mean i can't think of many male characters who are beloved by everybody and you could you know and be like well captain marvel isn't beloved by everybody and i'd be like yeah so there are things here that scroll you have no never mind well i'm just gonna say you have to do a few concessions because if you stuck 100 to the definition of a mary sue you might not be able to apply it to barely anybody um uh well i guess it would be the majority of the protagonist right it would be the qualifier yeah i think it does apply to captain marvel because most characters have a positive outlook on her for the most part yeah um there's not many people who hate it by comparison one punch man there's not many people who like him at all outside no except for like jennos and uh yeah um a lot of people are saying superman superman yeah but superman has kryptonite like he has that he has weakness don't get me started on kryptonite actually yeah no i i mean i i think superman's probably the best example of uh of like because he's just got all the powers um and he referenced kryptonite because the whole reason it exists is to try to prevent the title of mary sue yeah the interesting thing about superman is the the strongest superman stories are completely constructed around his mary sue major being perfect that he is so powerful so perfect and then it's the contrast between him and humanity and bringing in stories where he uh is conflicted in a different way and so that's kind of a feature not a detriment and that's what i mean you can make mary sues male mary sues guys whatever i'm getting terminology is all annoying now um you can make them workable okay it's not saying it doesn't but there are examples when they're not workable and they're very poorly executed well i think uh i think the the through line is gary sues and mary sues are workable when you're making a story that criticizes that aspect of them like uh like one punch man he works because it's a criticism of the unnecessary nature of like the big climactic fights in anime and stuff because it just doesn't matter he wins by the way that's worth mentioning and this is this is not important for captain marvel but it is important for ray a lot of people like to specify that it's not that they can do everything or anything it's that they they happen to have they can solve all the plot problems basically whatever problems present themselves in the plot they can solve them for example ray can't um i don't know she she wouldn't be able to swim down to the bottom of a pool of lava to collect something for somebody as far as we know maybe she could put her force field well you know what i mean like uh she has she's supposed to have limitations the idea being that it's like she's not a mary sues she's not a powerful superman or something like that i'd be like oh yeah it's not necessarily the he is a god it's not a relative thing yeah it's that every problem is presented in the fucking force awakens she overcomes it and we're not talking about a couple of mechanical problems it's like it's a shit ton of all kinds of problems and yeah theos saying it's about how the world responds to the character if you ask me this is the problem there's a couple of definitions the the original one included it's an author insert right so there's supposed to be connections from the character to the person who wrote them as if they are putting themselves in there having every character in this in the story like them and they're able to overcome the problems of the world which is something that i think we could all agree is something we would like to have as an attribute that we could solve all problems but you don't but in your own fiction you could and all writers might be inclined to let that slip out they might be like oh you know i could solve this one because i'm pretty i'm pretty talented like um but yeah i think i think people are getting a little bit annoyed because like there's a lot of different definitions at the same time that uh could be conflated yeah but this is this is the value of discussion is figuring out where where it's a why why are people discouraging discussion this is great i love this shit well most of what we just did was an attack in fit uh right and you know it doesn't matter what we think doesn't matter you attack shag she had attacked me like it was it's all an attack it's all an attack so attacked i need to bandage my wounds my hurt feelings you know a bunch of people saying kick j what did j do and haven't he done what hasn't he done anyway back to this wonderful man oh yeah of boba fat i didn't go around criticizing everyone for liking boba fat i didn't be like if you were dumb and ugly because you like you don't like boba fat what is going on have you guys ever met anyone who actually says someone is dumb and ugly for disagreeing with your opinion about a movie who says that i think that i've seen comments like in they're you know done ironically and stuff but like someone who legitimately thinks someone is now having said that i think you know if something is fairly blatantly bad right and you could just quite strongly establish that say with last jedi right uh there could be you know a question raised about someone's intelligence who wants to deny the logic and the argument is that you're you're wrong because yeah you could have some form of a through line there but ugly that's just yeah ugly how do you determine someone's ugly from their preference of boba fat and even if you couldn't like i because perhaps there are you know the comments people saying you know a few people saying that right and that's not what i'm blowing my head off about is the fact that he is establishing it seems like everyone who dislikes that thinks that people who disagree with me dumb and ugly that seems to be the straw man is establishing here come off it when you guys just be like like i would happily dismiss it like stop being so childish this is not like actual criticism this is lame if i don't even know if it qualifies as criticism just criticism have to be relevant or can it just be anything i have no idea i'd have to check but like you know if if fringy says one plus one is three and then i go well you're ugly like even if fringy's wrong that doesn't mean my criticism was actually criticism did you say something you're ugly and your math is shit the the the issue i'm taking with this myself is that it's he's implying that that's what people who don't like tlj do yes the framing yeah framing i'm just like come on boba fat boba fat isn't a very good character we know analyze character that sounds like an objective claim yeah first off your opinion doesn't matter but if it did your y'all would agree with you we should have just not watching our empire because is he referencing like how can he have this position i'm assuming he's one of the subjectivity people i mean i'm sure by the fact that look at that he's got external conflict caused by outer problem solution blocked by internal conflict the theme is boba like i'm just like oh do you actually believe in this do you think that all films should apply to this because that's interesting we could talk about it or would apply this to a movie he likes perhaps the last year even and see if it holds up to this our opinions don't matter character conflict caused by inner problem solution by misguided goal solution by external you think he just googled this and threw it up probably maybe he didn't come up with it now plot plus character equals theme let me see plot plus character put it into a calculator i'm putting it into a calculator it helps me with my letters ah yes yep it's the first fucking thing that pops up where is this theme where is this you know think determining theme what does that have to do with defining how good a character is yeah i know like a character can be without theme like that's entirely possible technically without plot you can have a character just sitting in on toilet i mean unless you define a plot as literally just whatever the character's goal is right so character taking a shit you can have a theme not related to the problem at all it could be you know just the idea that's being talked about the theme of love or relationships or something like a infinity war there's a theme of like putting your loved ones above the safety of the universe if you will while all of that is like the plot is prevent Thanos from getting the gems like wow everybody's uh this is the film is saying something about familial love i never thought i'd be watching some prick bring up a chart to show me why he doesn't like bubba fit why he doesn't like bubba fit he's just fucking cool yeah well yeah if this is if someone said he's not a bit the uh he's not a good character quote unquote i'd be like do you mean he's not like he's not a contradictory character in any way he's just really thin yeah like there's not really anything there he's not he's not bad in the sense that he's contradictory yeah like you said there's just not much to really not really much there he's just evil bounty hunter man yeah yeah there is a purpose that he needs to fill for the narrative and it doesn't need to be a complex character it's to be uh the bounty hunter that captures you know um harm solo and so to achieve that standard effectively it works that he's intimidating that is a bit mysterious that he you know can do his job all right under my accent i'm from the space reason to fulfill his purpose so what is you need to fulfill that purpose quite well of what the character is meant to do and so from he's not superfluous either he's not like you know redundant he this is what i mean you can't say that he's bad at worst you could say he's thin and people would be like yeah probably but he's cool and you could develop so what was the thing if he said by bad i mean thin i'd be like right well then you need to just say thin if by bad you mean thin just say thin just say the word that you mean no that's body shaming but see all yours are in standard but you know you know the guy that you see press the lever on the death star he was a bad character i mean what do we know about his life does he have any hobbies does he play tennis we're gonna have another good job generate this whole thing for this guy you know he was just having a good day at work he called his daughter he's like yeah i'll be home late you know i'm late at work but you know go to bed early tell you about my lover you know i love that he's blissfully unaware of what the station even does he's just like exactly work for the empire you know trying to put food on the table tell me to push a button and pull a lever and it makes a fairly you sound and that's what i do you know Darth Vader comes by it's like good work good good job you're doing a good job you know keep it on that lever i don't know honey Darth Vader complimented me honey make a cake for vader can you imagine like oh god oh god oh god i gotta go to his house for dinner and he's like oh hmm that was very good i'll pass my compliments on to the emperor for you i'm moving up honey you know i might be working with the emperor i i just gotta go to work tomorrow and you know all i gotta do is flick a lever it's gonna be great i'll see you tomorrow that he blows up and when you work for Darth those upper positions are always you know becoming available so you're always moving up in there's a lot of room for growth potential for moving up you have the celebration the medal scene in in a new hope it all works out and then there's this epilogue scene where these series of stormtroopers arrive in a car and they come out with this little thing to this little house there's the wife a folded empire flag yeah she's got a little cooking outfit on she's like i've just got the spaghetti bolognese is ready for vader is he coming over i'm so sorry god imagine how many people they'd have to visit for that they'd have to go around like a million he wasn't a good character too so fuck him you like the armor and you like something that was said about the okay wait i can tell you why i like him like beyond the arbor i don't think because he's almost implying that he is like kind of superfluous he's it's it's more the look but it's like he's pretty important he makes um things happen because of him he makes the whole of like the beginning of return of the Jedi happen he's like the reason there's so much conflict in um because you know even Darth Maul you can defend to a degree he pulls the Jedi away from being able to help do anything else and he kills Qui-Gon which you could say Qui-Gon could have done a lot had he not been killed like the you know Darth Maul's doing some stuff and then you the final comparison is phasma where it's like oh right she was literally like pointless change anything in fact their existence makes it so they're able to take the shields down it's she's like she's just the worst out of all of them and a lot of people like to say like oh phasma, Darth Maul, Boba Fett, they're all the same that argument drives me crazy i've had a video about this in the back of my mind like the last year that i've wanted to do to argue this point that they just like to compare them and it's like it's one extreme of the other like Boba Fett does things have you heard how he talks to Darth Vader like he's got some balls on him yeah but you know there's absolutely the cool factor it's just like if you're not getting that from him from him that's fine it's just that uh fucking cool i hated how he died it's a flat i don't like how he died like a little bee well he didn't he wasn't supposed to die in fan in there that's the thing so i don't know if that's a part that disney retconned or not oh disney will bring him back if they can like i'm assuming because in the expanded universe he's he's alive you set off like a you'll know that that's the case because people want him to have a better death than that or at least to go on it's just funny because uh isn't it like george didn't like Boba is that the case i remember reading that somewhere oh what's not to like i don't know it might be like it would be kind of annoying if you threw like a random character in and you worked really hard on the other ones and everyone was like my favorite is that one you'd be like i don't fucking give him a humiliated death you like him that's like oh that character you like the armor and you like something that was said about the character other than that the character doesn't do anything but you don't know why he does he does a lot there he does does he telling us why we like the character this is this is what i nearly jumped he's reading our mind and telling us we like the character because of these reasons doesn't he trackhound solo he doesn't know he's the reason he's captured he's the he's the catalyst he's like he's like a tough confident bad character is just like i'm gonna do what i want kind of thing you know like they're like we don't get a lot of screen time to develop him much but he fulfills the purpose the character was meant to fulfill quite effectively and there's a lot of famous characters like that jaws out of james bond is just it's not the deepest character but you know we we love that sort of character yeah it's meant to be a bit weird intimidating freaky tough hard to beat you know like sometimes we want something we've got a happy ending too yeah you don't every character doesn't need to be fleshed out they need to be just enough to fulfill the role they're meant to do in the narrative to move it forward and of course you want the main characters to be fleshed out and you know engaging in some measure but even having said that sometimes having a two-dimensional character can be fun if it's just meant to be the type that they are like have you seen um Arnold Schwarzenegger's commando characters pretty thick right yeah yeah stick around oh no wait no that was that was predator it was um what was it oh remember when i told you i'd kill you last yeah that's right you did i lied thought this day my friend he's dead tired let off some steam bed it oh lord i think example of a badly written character that's just brilliant all right and in that sense he could be brilliantly written because is achieving the purpose what you want for that type of film you know but anything that's one of the problems with the new films is the characters like bubba fit created this universe where other stories were going on and this cool character comes in that everyone's scared of so when you watch that your mind goes oh there's this big world out there i wonder what else he did you know it's uh it's it's really a great thing about the original ones and even the prequels and it's a really bad thing with the sequels the sequel it feels like this isn't a galaxy it doesn't feel like there's anything else going on everything is about these characters even when you first see bubba fit like there's all those bounty hunters it's like this world they live in this is what goes on these are the guys they can call on and there's they're all over the universe it just gives it that sense of scale but now i think i shrunk down i think it's it's all about when you're creating a world you have to establish that there are other things happening not everything is about the main thing like you know this for bubba fit this is just another job it's just he's got another job he's got another thing that he's doing it's um it just it creates the idea of something bigger than uh than what we see and that's that's great and it does that and yeah Jabba's palace does that like there's all these people coming and going that are having their own adventures and i don't feel that at all with there's i don't know what makes me feel alive and we're just looking at one part of it while in the new ones it's like there's nothing everything else is dead yeah nothing else is happening except for gambling on camel horse things gambling sanctioned by the republic that enforces slave labor we want these guys back everyone remember guys should have been horrified when rosaid that ring to the kids they should have screamed and said and been horrified that they don't know our oppressors please don't hit that see that to me i would have been like oh yeah this is interesting like how are they gonna deal with this the people of the world hate the republic that would be interesting we can't imagine the the empire ran a better system than the republic did in power and that the world was starting to become testy that they want they want it back yeah i think it was happening that's what that's why when lia sends out the signal for help no one comes because they hate you i hope you die you know it's like why are they called like fuck you they're the resistance but they're like the actual army it would be like if the us army was called the resistance it's retarded they're the army that's it ah fucking hell you're allowed to like that character thank you i like lobot there's no reason to like lobot he doesn't do anything there's probably a reason you like something yeah i think about it a little bit just think a little bit why he might be sexually attracted to him yeah maybe maybe you know there could be a number reasons like that that thing around his head it's like a handle shapes his head he says he had a good grip on that thing he doesn't say anything does he does he ever say anything i don't think so he's kind of mysterious well makes him more attractive yeah i feel like he maybe he doesn't actually like lobot he just chose him because it's like such a hot character to actually pick things up he hasn't thought about lobot in fucking ages i don't see a lobot figure back there don't you lie to me you could read the comic to be like well the character's really in depth and has a lot of great things yeah great but in the movie in the context of the movie i liked the character separate from that i read all the comic books i read the books it's like i'm there with you we're fanboys together but i'm also a fangirl i love being a fangirl is that a sponsor that's the end of the victim he's balls just leaving his body i don't know how to react to this i didn't help look at look at chat huh what what the fuck what i'm i'm i'm a i am a fangirl we know we know you are you know you are a you're a proud diva queen we know yes girl slay okay and you know he's sort of over the place is saying you know where guys who like you know where geeks that like this stuff and i'm there with you just like no you're not the whole point of this video is to separate him from the toxic mails who who hate star wars just a happy fangirl i'm not one of those men i'm a good guy like you said is this a sponsor well is it i mean is it is it fun i don't know because i know it's not okay it's just discussion i love it and and what is just a discussion without judgment hey that was a good point discussion without judgment like you're judging it you're judging if you have a position then you've already made judgments yeah and you've judged the opposing side to either be wrong or inferior to your that's a big idiot's line there fringy what is discussion without judgment what is that's uh put you can put that on a t-shirt fringy with uh you know 2019 because it sounds like it's pretty bad to me well it's a bit of a sing song you're all saying the same thing at once yeah if no judgment is made then no then you have no take you have no perspective because a positive judgment is a judgment like a positive opinion is a judgment it's just positive to relate to the the lobo thing right the reason i would ask why do you like robot lobo is because i already am aware that he's barely on screen and he has barely any characteristics i'm curious because i've judged him to be a pretty thin character but you really like attack i'd like to know what i'm missing and then it turns out i'm not missing anything he's just insane it's like oh okay interesting video and we're gonna lose star wars i don't know what we've already lost it's over it's gone i'd rather lose it than have it turn to shit yeah you know kill it oh yeah you don't have to was it weird after saying aeropenians don't matter i can't remember who's who's point it was but someone did say something along the lines of like better we have disney star wars than no star wars and i was like um no i'd rather have no star wars just stop okay even if it's shit at least we have it enough i have had it motherfucking disney star wars films i'm just motherfucking played i've existed in reality yeah i don't want to lose star wars getting tired of it but not because of the films i enjoy solo so much it's a ton of fun rogue one ton of fun last jedi ton of fun they're all just great it's all just great they're all just tons of fun they're all just tons of fun i'd like i'd like to displace him saying ton of fun with all the people getting midded in rogue one and then dump it that's an interesting way to describe it a ton of fun they just play the clip where han solo's getting tortured yeah that's a ton of fun you know it's screaming only says it's ton of fun like they're just that's just they're just fun they're just fun they're great they're fun it's a ton of fun and the scorched skeletons of Luke satsun uncle it's a ton of fun the the moment where adik is like i hate you ton of fun yeah oh yeah ton of fun is just getting cooked you know it's just screaming it seems like it's of the opinion that anything star wars is good no no no no we just don't want star wars we want good star wars yeah i'd rather have no star wars than bad star wars that's that's it and to test that theory theory further it's just like have tommy always though director star was filled with see what he says that this is a bad idea oh it's no guys it's just a space wizard movie god for kids get over yourself i'm always amazed with these guys that have these channels on talking about movies but they seem so disinterested in having interesting movies but they just yeah like they they don't want to discuss it they don't want to judge it they it's just fun that's it let's move on it's fun i just just consume my videos yeah i know right it's it's like it's like they don't care at all which makes it all the more strange that they talk about it yeah do they care you know i like to hope that i'm real star star wars is fun it's about space wizards oh i wish we could take space for my arms take space with us away from their vocabulary it's like explain what you really mean when you're saying that because i always assume that they're trying to say it's stupid and retarded so who cares it's like that's not lord of the rings is stupid and retarded you got light-feated dwarf light-feated elf people and dwarves but they just land wizards there's a difference when land wizards as if the natural state of wizard doesn't have a plane you know i gotta say i never heard anybody call star wars silly space wizards for kids until the disney star wars films i never heard anybody say that oh yeah i never said that i never said that about the movies because that's stupid and dumb i mean i'll be honest with you when um i think i've said this before but when i saw revenge of the sith in the cinema and um i'd have to whenever it's revenge of the sith come out 2004 uh 2005 2005 would have been 12 uh when i saw count dooku's hands get chopped off i was like whoa like where he's just like cut off his head it's just like do it yeah you know as much as it's quite dark yeah there's a lot of things that happen where i was kind of like man i'm good to see this right when he cuts the hands of when he looks down at his hands but then cut off it's very fantastic and then you just see this guy dresses a cloud running around in the cinema going just for space wizards i don't i don't understand like why anybody was saying there's so much death in uh in star wars and not just like kitty death people getting their heads cut off people getting burnt to death people getting blown up in space and seeing them scream as they get blown up it's not really for like okay it's kids enjoy it is it really for kids necessarily fundamentally or is it for everyone well this is the complicated question because you'd be like is it marketed for a particular demographic or multiple ones and what's the what are they mainly going for and i i'd happily say maybe teenagers younger teenagers yeah i'd say so and it could they be trying to cast a broad net they they want to get a broad kind of audience to get you know the most views yeah this is kind of again like me being 12 i'd be like am i a kid then like well yeah but when i when they say for kids i always assume they're talking about like six year olds or something or just doesn't make any sense to who cares and i think another element to this stupid statement is that because there is you know fantasy elements in a movie or even fictional elements you it's like then they're trying to say you don't have a right to take it seriously because of this one thing that is unrealistic which is it's uh it's quite a completely dumb because of course you can take it seriously and in actual fact the concept of a space wizard if executed in an interesting fun way can absolutely be taken seriously well i don't like it is cool right and then if you are consistent with how the force works you can have it work in a very satisfying way almost like a physical war if you're if you remain true to it they're not they aren't always true to how the force works but it ah it's just such a cop out weak nothing argument to say oh it has this fantasy element ergo everything is not you can't take it seriously at all because that's unrealistic fiction by definition is unrealistic because it's fiction let alone they love star wars but they want to make fun of the thing that makes star wars magic and the magic is it touches everyone and even if it was made for kids it doesn't matter adults lined up to see it people took days off work to go you know to see when empire strikes back kind of that's the magic and then they love this thing helping another place because some children's content's amazing as i mentioned the yeah there's this content in these films that just don't necessarily seem to be for children they'll be happy if someone says i adore it and then if someone says i hate it they'll be like uh dude it's for kids yeah wait so why is he allowed to love it yeah the the other thing the like the addition of a fantastical element in and of itself is not an inherent thing that makes something more kidlike or unreal or unrealistic yes but like unserious is what i'm saying in actual fact adding an interesting fantastical element can elevate a story to be able to achieve things that a purely realistic story would not be able to do the whole idea of the force with the dark side and the light side elevates the theme dare i say of the battle between good and evil to a new place which you wouldn't have been able to achieve if you kept it just in a completely realistic thing and so it doesn't mean that because it has a fantastical element is more ridiculous and you can't take it seriously it's just such a stupid thing to say and these are often people who will point out the deep themes as well yeah exactly like they're contradicted by their own argument and like Lord of the Rings is a movie about lad wizards written for children and the hate in the aunties it's just like you're ruining it the hidden criticism didn't help write your scripts come up with jokes don't just say stupid noises though noises are funny um and yeah the Disney wrote it first but well before we did and the idea that people shouldn't take movies seriously is also dumb because movies can have strong influence on how people frame themselves how they grow up and everything like that like superhero comic books had a big influence on me i'm helping me be a better person and so people create deep connections with these fictional characters that do mean a lot to them and i mean shouldn't take it seriously because it's fiction is what is what is the role of fiction if not to make us learn things about ourselves potentially and learn things about the world and like affect us emotionally it's um and i i don't like this uh this this sort of interpretation of if it's not realistic like if it's not if it's if it's a speculative fiction it's childish slash immature slash dumb that's so bizarre to me that's so stupid and it really devalues the work of people who work in those genres i mean like what is what is the Lord of the Rings if not you know it's speculative it's fantasy it's it's got fantastical elements is it childish like fuck no it's one of the best stories ever told look what the fuck why are you devaluing it because kids and kids suck because by devaluing it yeah by devaluing it he then thinks it's devaluing and illegitimizing our logical arguments that we're applying to it saying you shouldn't even be taking it seriously because it's an unrealistic movie so you're well you know i feel like Tolkien took it seriously when he wrote it so yeah fuck yourself and would you not agree shad that in doing so he is hoisting himself by his own petard oh indeed he is highlighting reasons for why he shouldn't be even making these arguments exactly i mean why is he arguing about this if it's just a movie about space wizards why why is he taking it so why do you care why do you care friend why why don't you care about things that aren't for children like Zelda yeah i mean well it's funny right because this is going to come up in the next video that we discuss if we get it yeah if we get there at this right keep going i gotta use uh the loo so i'll be right back who i'm gonna quickly go to carry on for you oh i uh where was i going with that i brought zelda oh all i said was it's going to be relevant so uh it's it's funny though because he's got a statue of link in the background link doesn't have a character necessarily he's a blank slate by design so when he's shitting on boba fat that's really interesting when he has a link thing in the background i like link too but he's basically a vessel for the the player he doesn't really have other than i guess noble and heroic but yeah by the way uh friend you watch you watch community the reason i actually said hoisted by your own petard is because of the uh the episode where jeff calls britter on it he uses oh and then he says do you know what that means and she says it's when they're trying like old tibie folk and put it on their clothes and they get like the hoist of it stuck or something like that and i was and he was like you need to look up what that means and i remember being myself in like i don't even know what it means i just use it and i looked into it i was like oh that's interesting and now i want to make shad make a video on it you can talk about minions and stuff while doing it and you can make it all medieval styles you'll be like most people don't even know what a petard is you know back back in medieval days i imagine that they didn't have these arguments about opinions you know i think they had better things to do like surviving yeah well it's interesting i just recently made a video on the medieval judicial dueling and yeah so many comments were like saying bring it back this would resolve cancel culture completely many medieval is like if you really mean to accuse me i'll prove my innocence by fighting you to the death do you want to keep accusing me medieval dueling is really i learned about it for a like um law history related to my degree um that was a few years ago but yeah no i found it really interesting the idea of like you know trial by combat you can you know do try what was the other one that's trial by combat trial by um it was like putting your body under extreme stress and seeing if you survived was another option um maybe you talked about that in your video uh no no just the the combat side of things yeah the combat one's really cool though isn't it it's just uh well i mean it's it's it's trick was down into the way that our legal system works today because it is a combative you know it's combative you have your prosecution your your plaintiff your defense i like how you talked about how people are using it as a way to steal people's fucking stuff this is like i can i can take your ship from you if i can get this right yeah that's in the home gang tradition because it uh it varies of course between culture but in some instances you could you would get all the property and things they are person who you beat like if you defeated someone you'll get everything that they owned well i mean that's that's feudalism right there you know we've gone from that to this guy on screen who feels attacked if you ask him his opinion on a character in a movie what has happened lead shades it's uh man history is so cool isn't it history is just the coolest thing i love history he's awesome imagine him thinking he's gonna lose his funko pops if someone beats him up i'm sure he would put it in the specifications or the the the pre fight you'd be like you cannot take my funko pop all right i was only gonna bid them anyway i'm like fair enough rune saga you are we've got a bunch of anakin skywalkers out there who are giving into the fear they're giving into the fear don't let the don't let the dark side win guys does this remind you of any one oh the star wars is about finding the hope nobody's doing that anymore wow that impression is remarkably accurate wait shad you know who i'm talking about do you i know exactly who you're talking about who is it prove it i hate everything shit nice i didn't think oh yeah that was really embarrassing me mola sometimes i i really hate that a people to emotion there like oh this is what star wars is about loving things it's like fucking you don't like the prequel shut up if you don't like star wars then the emperor wins it's just bullshit come right hit everything anyway because he hated the prequels it's like prequels are full of shit it's like are you supposed to be fighting the hope it's like unironically if someone says that to you how do you take that seriously it's like it's a it's a franchise about finding the hope you're like okay but you know it's still it can still be bad this what what happens if there's a film about just being a good film than what it's the desperation like how is this for a look back rags like the amount of arguments we have seen in favor of tlj and just disney star was in general it's just like there's no way they won't go oh like he's reverting to basic inane gibberish now don't they're giving him to their fear what it's uh it's really pointing out like a movie shit i do like the idea that they're like the the movies that you love say you shouldn't do this it's like dude stop it this is not a good argument please stop anger and they're going hateful if you love star did you see that moment there where he was just like i cannot believe they're doing this unbelievable to my star wars i have funko pops like he looks genuinely like perturbed he's like this is wrong much follow the rules that you learn in star wars about how to be a better person if you love star wars so much follow the rules that you learn in star wars about how to be a better person i want to follow this rabbit hole all the way through like what does star wars actually teach okay if it does establish any like themes or statements about how a person should behave what are they and then i want to apply it to him and see if you know this is just a contradictory mess i'm hearing go go kill my father you're supposed to go into your nephew's bedroom while he's asleep get out your kitchen and then as soon as he realizes go i'm sorry i had a bad dream sorry moment weakness but then if you are the nephew in that scenario you need to learn that you need to kill every child in the house at that point if that ever happened the deed must be completed you need the old grandpa to wear a black cape saying do it i wonder if he's referencing you know the emperor's words where give into your hatred and your journey to the dark side will be complete will be complete i can't you know what's interesting about this that's actually contradicted because luke technically does give into his hatred and he grabs his lightsaber and goes to kill him Darth Vader stops him luke uses his passion to defeat Darth Vader and he doesn't turn to the dark side as a result it's just an interesting thing there and so it would almost seem like that the uh the emperor the evil emperor was lying about that maybe just maybe no it's almost like they're good movies what happens to good movies dead they died because there's no such thing as bad movies now they're all great up judging thing you paying no attention you attack women on the internet so there are some things we call telling statements and what we mean by that is they say something and we can draw a lot out of their character from it says a lot about you it's a good old Freudian slip thanks Freudian for coming up with that i mean i think he very much intended to say that i think his name was Freud not Freudian oh okay i didn't know that yeah thanks Freudian actually like someone take that just do something with that come up with something beginning is his biggest inspiration was Freudian oh what was Freudian about him is like no it was it was Freudian and just going back on what he was saying you know about learning from Star Wars Star Wars at its most basic form is a story between good and evil and specifically about good opposing evil and that also means good hating evil okay again people thinking that hate is a universal bad no if you hate evil that's a good thing and you can easily make an argument that that's exactly what Star Wars is trying to tell oppose what is wrong um and take a stand you take a stand on what is right that seems to be what i'm doing or what we're doing you know like oh trying to big yourself up as a good guy shat is that all right well i don't know like people might say this because like i don't know this guy personally and he could be a really friendly nice guy but i disagree with what he's saying you are a man and and he is vilifying a lot of people here particularly a whole gender and he is making these huge false equivalents you hate Star Wars equals you are attacking women online and you hate women like what he said here where in the hell is that connection coming from reminds me of the quinton trump quote he just like whoa like where does this come from he might think ron johnson's a woman that's the only person i've been attacking luke skywalker complaining about reilo you want luke to be luke but you're not even acting like a luke you're not being a good person i don't need to act like a character to want them to be consistent what the fuck and again it's a new luke yeah i like to like the new luke i'll be weak i'll give up on people try and kill the slightest hint of weakness means we need to you know probably kill them even though he tries to stop himself but still i mean that's a lesson we could take from luke like don't give you know don't try and breathe because like luke's tried to always save people he tried to save his you know davida his father who was like a genocidal mass murderer the idea is that he would be willing to put himself in such peril that he would very likely die because he wouldn't give up on somebody and yet he had a bad dream he wouldn't get a killer child later and again he's all basing this on this vilifying false equivalence that you dislike star wars or now that's Jedi means you hate women stop hating women there's like it's good it's uncanny as i think about that way like it's insane it's now i'm thinking about i can't imagine like the betrayal of luke's character as i just said that out loud it's just like he man ryan johnson just did not give a fuck like when he wrote that he didn't give a shit no he did not be like luke stay home hate everyone hate when women turn up your door drink to your milk just be a prick and be just like luke turn you back on everyone i think the best sentence to just refer to is i caved to this island to die why don't you just kill yourself just jump off the fucking mountain act like luke give up when you have a setback you know just get banned in the world yeah because that's what luke does he gives up that's his character he gives up on things famous good rapper oh my god i'm having a mental breakdown here like as i think about the betrayal of his character treating people well like who like did you learn nothing do you literally watch it and you're like it's about wars there are wars in it anymore holy considerate criticism of fascism and capitalism like and that the wars are representative of those systems being brought to the negative like a lot of people feel that way including his let's say team the people who think that we hate women often say that it's trying to be critical of capitalism uh through war profiteering and so when he's like it's about war it's like yeah a lot of them would say that it's trying to be critical of warfare like even i do like the idea that are the biggest media franchise in the world that makes billions of dollars is about you know the badness of profiteering it's just like okay it's a struggle to understand from me from this guy i just like he's like he's trying to be like you're all dumb you're not seeing star wars for what it is uh and i'm assuming he's gunning for subtext slash the truth of the characters up in the stars is that is that as much as you can receive i can't wait until he says people just hate star wars because there was definitely enough room on that door for jack because there's a message there about acceptance about tolerance this is hilarious the dark side cannot be tolerated it is a paradigm that does not work the dark side cannot coexist with the light side is about trying to eradicate somebody someone's faction like it's about tolerance like excuse me no it's never been about that no whenever he hits one of these virtue signaling words he gives himself a little pat on the back like there's a little break him after the word because he's so happy he's hit that word tolerance yeah i said tolerance which means i am tolerant and tolerances are good this uh you remember that south park episode where they went to the uh the museum of tolerance and then and then like they're like you know it's good to be tolerant and then they see somebody smoking a cigarette outside and they're like get the fuck out of here you're you know it's just like yeah that's always exactly what we're seeing here he just promoted tolerance when he is like so vilifying people men's meta ruining star wars be tolerant guys well it's the hilarious hypocrisy right be tolerant of everything except intolerance then you're like but if you're intolerant of people who are intolerant that are you intolerant of therefore we should be intolerant yeah and he's done the rednik voice he's done a lisp yeah he's done the retarded voice this is the only bad people you also know what ever uses that voice in a good context it's always negative i'm sure it's bad stupid ugly people who have this voice is it hilarious that like chrump had this voice i find it funny that uh the redneck voice is just the voice that americans often do for stupid it's like that's a little bit mean it's it's an accent there's a message it would be like if uh if you present a message like i i you know this this is what i think of this movie i think it's a good movie you know or something like that it just be like wow that's a bit racist jesus christ i mean it's something about racism can we go back a bit he's still being like there's a message about racism is he implying people who dislike the movie and how racist as well i don't even get it i don't even know what there's a message about the racism that the humans are like the empire is racist towards other alien i don't think so the empire just doesn't like anybody i mean if you really think about it what does the empire do it's like it's trying to get the layers captured a weak spot technically for their giant super weapons so they kill a bunch of people in order to try and coax it out of her that's like the first major evil act we see it um but that's not because they're aliens that's pretty non-discriminate yeah like that they want to rule the they're not trying to wipe out other races because races are inferior they're trying to conquer races and bring them all under their umbrella rule like look at the bounty hunters they seem pretty diverse you had like a reptile man and a robot they seem to be okay they didn't mind them coming on board i mean the empire grew out of the republic which was a unifying a unified nation of all these different races in one and essentially if that is what turned into the empire the empire is a unification of all these races under you know a dictator but there is there is never been an implication there has never been an implication of our human supremacy in star wars i don't know where two things from chat defroster robot said that it's in the it's definitely covered in the expanded universe that they have races and tort aliens um but this guy's already specified that we're talking about the movies so let's talk about the movies only uh jay said the fact that the empire is entirely human could be an implication of the human supremacist angle of the empire perhaps maybe i didn't yeah you'd think that there'd be a lot more race especially considering how diverse the rebels are but is snoke human i think we'll never know i think so yeah we don't know yet well are there any aliens in the employee of the empire uh not that you see the alliances or at least i remember of rocky relationships with people like java right like they're they're on the outer rims they're just even alone then again that doesn't really mean they don't hate him um but it is worthwhile to remember that these movies are made by human beings so you're gonna have more human characters just by default because that's just your actors that's what you've got how rags just said you know like in the rebel team you do you get a selection of aliens you got chubac you're on the uh yes but it is mostly human beings because it's a movie it's practical yeah to have more people it's just that i don't think there are leaders amongst the rebels like oh yeah yeah yeah exactly i uh not so but it's more just like i'm thinking about the fact that it is a film that you know it's the same as like in star trek how all the aliens are just like humans with weird prosthetic makeup a lot of people you know like the only implication yeah i was about to say throne throne yeah but if we're only considering the movies then we can't count throne yeah but throne is uh part of the the new wait off more well yeah he's not a he's not a human yeah his grievous human uh he's not he's not he wasn't he was not a human technically grievous wasn't in the empire i don't know if this matters well he's part of the alpha yeah he was a cis one but uh and then maul was only sith not necessarily empire but i doubt that if anakin didn't follow through and he still had maul that that the emperor would have ditched maul when he became by the empire this is interesting to think about if they had a scene like at the start of force awakens where they went into a village and kill all the aliens take the humans captured maybe yeah that might have been nothing there's never there's never anything like that they just blow up hope the important point is that um i wouldn't say there's an overt message of the empire hating aliens no to sort of reflect racism bad i don't think well i i think i i think um unlike because the nazis one of the main goals was to purge certain races and that was obvious whereas the empire's principal goal is to establish complete control over the galaxy technically there's only grounds to say that the empire might be not racist but is it speciest because maybe because uh i there were black people in higher up positions in the empire times you mean race traders well i think i think the idea would be that in in a in a world where you have aliens like races in between you know like of a species it's less relevant because you have a lot more in common than you do with an alien you know it's true but uh if he's trying to say there's a message about racism that's overt in star wars i don't see it i don't know what to say it's not overt i can't see it yeah it's i when i i know when i was a kid especially i didn't even think about it it was never even a thing that came to my mind a bear when i wish when the i wish when the emperor there were many aliens in the galactic senate and the senate was only dissolved as of a new hope so yes that's right i was about to say i wish when the emperor got power he just stood up there and went i can't wait to kill half you fuckers yeah i don't think it exists i mean if anything humans are portrayed as being a little inferior to other races who are either stronger more capable more force you know uh yeah she was pretty strong yeah maybe humans are only the weak ones that go to the bad side all the other aliens are too strong and too pure Garth Maul except for Darth Maul yeah yeah well grievous isn't connected to the force he doesn't have any force abilities i'd have to know but i look into the grievous man grievous is one of my favorite characters if if i got the opportunity to make a general grievous movie i would jump at the opportunity i think you can do a really cool story with him races towards other aliens the regionalist against center worlds or core worlds do you think there is a racial that's political and pragmatic this isn't really explored in the movies that extensively like if you ask the average viewer what's the difference between the deep core and the core worlds it'd be like i have no fucking clue what you're talking about well most people wouldn't know because it's it's not like a major like that's really the thing for the big star wars fans you know like yeah yeah the only time it's really even into that for the most part is in episode one where we learn oh tattoos far away they don't accept for yeah carousel i know that yeah that must be far away credits are no good here man remember when world building was a thing i love me some world building they're races against droids luke is um that's interesting droids aren't even a race first off they're arguably not even sentient well the implication is that droids don't have free will they will do what they're told even though they have personalities and stuff they always obey their orders depends on the original trilogy yes robots well some of them are just robots and then some of them have implied sentience like a lot of people would like to think that r2d2 is sentient to a degree the fact that he seems to be playful to a degree well i think uh i think the the droids the uh the confederate droids which i love i think they're great uh the they have personalities and they make jokes and they are afraid of death but they still obey orders and they're not valued so like what are they e2so and if we're considering disney as well well i mean i don't even know if he's just referencing the ot here i don't know i like how we're getting so much more discussion out of just the things that he blasts by just like let's talk about this for 10 years kind of races against droids the way he treats them leah hon all of them they all know that's the robots it's like saying you're racist against your toaster or your oven i was gonna say this is complicated this is a weird because you remember they're like we don't is it they don't do they say we don't serve your kind here uh in the even a droid tells another droid that we don't serve droids here droids don't give a fuck because they're just robots they're not like ai i just think it's at least the vast vast majority of the ones that we're talking about i'm just not sure if that is definitively established if they're fully sentient so far no i i don't know if we know i was gonna say solo kind of just lets the cat out of the bag with that one it's like look if you take the things off them they all want to be free it's like uh no he has like this fucks with everything well i because i just wonder it's like how the fuck did that even happen it's literally like a droid with a single purpose did you program it to have sentience why why would you do that why would if anything i have no mouth and i must toast i have no bread and i must it reminds me about you know rick and morty what is my purpose your past butter and oh my god the clone wars would probably give people reason to not like droids yeah really a whole army of evil droids you want to destroy that's what i was getting at like if he's gonna say that there is a message against you know racism because droids are mistreated in star wars in actual star wars no one's like there's no nothing mentioned in the original trilogy to imply that mistreating droids was bad it's like that they either deserved it or they're just you know you know i definitely deserve it the only time when anyone brings up this might be bad is in the solo movie with that weird droid that's like droid liberation yeah and then it's not every other movie like they star wars isn't saying that mistreating droids is bad they mistreat the droids and say yeah it's perfectly fine that seems to be the message tools it would almost be like if an alien watched a movie where a man and his dog are doing hunting and stuff and then the alien is like this movie is trying to tell us that it's it's bad to be speciesists to the dog because the dog doesn't want to be there the dog's being mistreated it's put on a leash and you'd be like i don't think you're grasping that's not yeah i think you're drawing something out of there that's not there like i don't think that there was enough material in the ot about the position of droids in society and whether or not they like what what the systems are how they're like what even which droids because you can't establish that every droid is sentient is a fork with a little battery attached i don't know what's what's the lowest degree of robot does it do they all have sentients well yeah what about what what about clones were the clones uh the clones have the chip in their head that makes them respond directly to the commands of the emperor when order 66 happens so they don't technically have free will they have free will up until it comes to that that's kind of free will they're all put into like none of them side well it depends on uh because remember the clone wars in the clone wars there are certain things that happen that imply sentience oh yeah i agree with you on that but again i think we're restricted to the films with this discussion i think uh yeah if we are then yeah that's just not enough about the clones to tell us they do what they're told yeah there's not there's nothing that's mentioned about like clone rebellions or they want to not be soldiers well no it's it's only in the expanded universe where that kind of stuff happens or the show because in the show there are clones who are like no fuck the status quo we're slaves this is not right but even if they are sentient star wars isn't making a statement that it you should not mistreat them it's actually saying that yeah you can mistreat droids because they're not human it's not the thing it's like tell me why it's bad and then they go well because c3po is clearly sentient i'd be like is he how do you know that's not just programming exactly is there a part in the well he could be programmed to make himself look like that yeah i was gonna say we have really competent ai today that can come across as manish like and hard when he gets annoyed with cp3po he just turns him off and he shut him up yeah i know right i was just made up whole you know we we never quite get enough information and i said solo kind of just goes nuts ah so long yeah it's like it's just all of a sudden pops up that all droids are sentient and they want to be phrased like whoa whoa don't they treat yeah don't they treat that droid that she's malfunctioning she's not behaving in the way that they're like it should and that they're like you know only um lando is the only one that's letting her behave that way and anyone else is like you should probably just wipe her memory and reprogrammer and so i think that even in solo implies that it's not real sentience it's just malfunctioning and the buy it's when she takes off the um the bolts off the other robots and they go into a dance party mode and they are in yosa they establish them as like they make it so that they're essentially leashed or conslaved well they do what they do what you say that's the main thing that's what it does yeah i mean they don't really go into it that much though because you know these are actually really serious questions to ask about artificial intelligence and this they just don't have the time i don't think at least in the main areas wasn't trying to answer the question exactly exactly maybe star wars wasn't you know the whole purpose behind it wasn't to make a statement about ai and self-determination no which is fine maybe i wanted to be a movie about good versus evil with these you know themes and stuff dare i say um with cool action adventure and all you know all these cool things and any implications of racism might just be completely non-issue no everything is political oh every year well i mean these are the video essays we often criticize but they'll be like if you can't draw something like that out of a film then you're not very good at film criticism as in it can't it can't just be the surface level what if it's not actually there yeah that's what i'm saying is that they'll be like it can't just be what was there it has to be something you've derived out of it in terms of a pure meaning upon what life is stupid stupid stupid dumb i'm on board for people giving their ideas of how they interpreted something i just don't like the idea that if you you don't do that you've missed the point it's like you just invented the point exactly and especially when they try and say this is definitively what that scene or this movie means this is what it's saying it's like no it's not i mean you can interpret it we just had it right now he's like you've missed the part where it's about racism but we've just discussed for ages like is it is it really i don't think so well the thing is do you think he's even fucking thought about this no he doesn't think he's got a fucking lando carisian funko pop you think he thinks i'm trying to work it he was getting from this point back to his men are ruining star wars i thought with that heading where we're gonna i don't know talk about the influence of the filmmakers very well structured this video droid wow he probably should have written the scripts lando is one of the first people i've ever seen not talk down to a droid everyone talks down to droids in the star wars universe well maybe he's fucking should um does uh does leia talk down to c3po and r2d2 or is it just c3po i don't think luke does luke values doesn't he he loves r2d2 and he's always happy to see r2 and he cares when r2d2 is in trouble well when you say the same thing about pets r2 right like we are so our pets yeah our what is higher in i guess in the humanity tier is it pets or droids and it goes back to what we're saying before he's openly admitting that droids are mistreated in star wars so that would imply if star wars was intended to make a statement about how droids should be treated is that they should be treated bad not that they should be treated good so yeah well it's like what is fuck this is stupid let's move on he's not about this yeah we've we've been delving so deep into something he brought up but he doesn't actually give a shit about it all always been an allegory and a metaphor for racism no that's not right everything's a metaphor everything's an allegory nothing is actually what it is it's something else that's different than what can you picture that they were generating this universe there's going to be high tech in it meaning there's probably going to be robots because everybody likes robots artificial intelligence tools that are designed to be able to be discussed with and apply they can do jobs without you having to control them and then you have this c3po and r2d2 characters and this guy on set is like ah this is about racism you can you imagine the bead like sorry he's like oh do you see c3po you're trying to say that you shouldn't be racist to people imagine saying to somebody like who are you have you seen that film that tackles racism and people be thinking of mrs to be burning or american history x the new hope but it was the hope of the robots to when they be free because remember Darth Vader is black or it wears black oh well they have to make that i'm really good got whitewashed yeah i've heard that one burn the black right off him that must have been hot like i said there's no place they won't go Star Wars is about racism the thing people the problem people had about episode one is it was people felt it was racist when it's supposed to be about not people i have a lot of criticism i have several questions when has people been saying that is he referring to the fact that there's a lot of stereotypical voices for aliens people had a problem that george doing that but uh but how is it how would it be racist to have them be character is he talking about like the stereotypical jewish accent comes from a character with a big nose is that is that what he's gunning for are those the big problems with the movie i like that he set this up by saying that star wars is all about trying to say racism bad at that episode one does the racism it was sort of confusing how he said it because he was just saying how important the issue of racism was in a new hope but then in episode one it wasn't meant to be about race and it turned into it and that's bad it was just such a confusing line he said then and at a stretch if he at a stretch if they try and say it's racist because of certain racial stereotypes and things like that it would be no more so than nearly every other movie made of that time either and so why is it standing out it shouldn't it's like no yeah yeah even then this isn't exactly the issue people took with it not all the problems that episode one had i think that the potential racism of the movie kind of down in the list felt that the vice roye were racist they felt that jar jar binks was a racist character because it played into stereotypes now we're in a time where people are saying they wish jar jar binks is back uh yeah the new ones must be really shit huh he played into stereotypes and he's he's a make-believe character like even that's you're the one that's been right you know what's interesting about to claim jar jar binks is a stereotype of black people is coming from a racist position because that's what i'm saying they think black people act that way yeah what this character who is clearly not black they're associated and even falls over it's like that's he's the one that's been racist did people say that it's a lot of people do say that the what's how the fuck do they see that what is going on because they must be racist if they think that's the way black people act to cause to create the connection between jar jar and black people oh my god i never i can't what the what wasn't he voiced by a black um guy i figured that wasn't relevant i figured it wasn't relevant you know i mean well this is the thing like the shantanarians what i think they're called uh is like they're asian stereotypes because they talk like this and it's just like um um you have to highlight exactly how that becomes racism exactly like a stereotype voice where you can't actually claim that the creator did it because he wanted to like you're saying george Lucas wants to make fun of an asian stereotype is that what we're going it's strange and then how do you get around that if if if all the good people have english checks it's like there's no way around that that means you can't do any accidents and no one's going to be happy i like the the way he brings it around back to the the folks of the argument is when people want hit jar jar jar jar racists people want him back over what we're getting in new star wars like that's so bad you're like right okay does anyone actually want him back i haven't really got on that one comment on how bad the new ones are because jar jar is a terrible character and so like i don't think anyone in like non-psychastically wants jar jar back but they do i non-psychastically want him back you see there we go uh oh it was nemodians is that what i was nemodians are the asian yeah what are shantanarians what am i thinking of when i said maybe i'm making that up someone in chat tell me what i'm referring to because i clearly don't know what i'm referring to uh okay i don't know why droid rebellion it has nothing like come on what if you what what is your balance just get there well i'm interested is it you're talking about the droid rebellion in solo now i think which we we have mentioned is an outlier regarding how droids generally behave in star wars it was very confusing indeed any like anything more than about freeing slaves um which you should be for just so you know i'll fucking thank you for telling us without him telling us i would not have known that and you're seeing the parallels you are seeing deeper into a message writers don't always have the intention that we see in their messages what are you even talking about what is this video even right now like what what is this guy actually better ruining star wars are you not following rex we're talking about droid slavery he's saying even if the writers didn't intend it this is what it is saying yeah i think the droid rebellion was fairly intentional in to making a statement about slavery that one was but the original star wars no i'd say not not no the slave labor in the capitalist planet was probably making some form of a statement there because there was no slavery before capitalism that's correct it doesn't it doesn't matter it was under republic control the whole film is fighting to get the republic back in charge it's just like okay so we want capitalism i guess well assuming that's what they're referring to because if you remember the whole point of can to buy is war profiteering but it's like the wars that have been happening for two days hasn't it yeah so you can take something from a message that separate from what the writer intended but it's still applicable if you see something that and you think like oh this is uh this is feminist propaganda yeah because lord forbid there is equal grounds for many women what do you you can't say that when you've made this video equal ground for men and women mr men suck god forbid we have a right come on there's a lot of there's a lot of false equivalence false you know statements here and stuff like that when certain feminist messages that are injected into pop culture these days aren't about equality between men and women generally it's a bit more about female supremacy my next video is going to dip into this pretty heavily because it's yeah it's it's pretty blatant when people say oh you feminism is just about equal rights they're fucking lying to your face you like how we have this whole uh we want to start renaming words that have men or man in them like mankind needs to be turned into people kind i'm curious if you can apply that with feminism we should call it everyoneism you don't want to be blocking anybody do we midwife um that should be a person yeah well because you get a lot of feminists are upset when people say like i'm an egalitarian they'll be like oh you should be you should just be a feminist why are you doing that you're like because i just don't like what the term implies and they'll be like but they do the same thing so i'm sorry same girl so anything's possible so a feminist message nowadays that's being injected into pop culture does not perfectly equate to a message about equality okay but that's what he's taking there is like how dare you object to you know feminist propaganda because it's all about a call is like no you should take it by case by case and have a look at what the you know message is actually implying um but again he likes to uh make false equivalents and broad statements and straw manning and things i don't know what you mean share this video has been gloriously honest and straightforward and logical i'm i'm just shocked at how accurately he gets my points the fact that women would need propaganda means there's a disparity it's fine women do not have propaganda are you talking about yeah we never met like a woman in your life that is proactive that gets shit done because i don't know man like those poor women they need star wars to tell them they could do better in life and how he's giving up on his own video that is we get it i shouldn't have even made the video you're never gonna learn yeah you can tell the way he uploaded this he was like i hope this was good i hope something happened in this video you don't get it we've already established that that's okay keep not getting it we're not gonna that's not how you get people to get okay just like women that's not what i was gonna start getting it i want to unpack that a bit okay because anyone is free to enjoy star wars but that is not an equivalent thing to saying star wars is for everyone there are certain uh elements and beats in that story in which caters it to a certain audience okay that doesn't mean it's for everyone in fact you would say because it's action adventure and stuff like that originally perhaps a larger male audience enjoyed star wars over over women enjoying it just like interestingly enough more women tend to like pride and prejudice than men and like i can read pride and prejudice and acknowledge it is one of the best written novels of our time okay but guess what even though pride and prejudice probably structurally sociologically and all these elements of to how deep it gets into the uh so many you know commentaries on certain things i could say that pride and prejudice is far more technically completed and executed so it's a better written book or story than star wars but guess what i like star wars more because i like laser swords just just saying you know like space wizards you just admit right about you yeah i must be a child because i actually like space wizards right and that is because people do tend to like different things and surprisingly enough there is some um similarity between the things that men like men some sort of surprising i know tend to like men things as other men and women tend to like similar things as some other women it's not universal but it does happen you actually fall into general standards of what men and women like differently and you know standards are sexist well it just amazes me that people try and argue this so obvious fact of life that men and women tend to like different things on average yes a woman is more than free to like star wars that doesn't mean star wars was particularly catered to appeal to women more than men it's not pride and prejudice pride and prejudice is a movie about space wizards intended for clearly it must be sexist there are people out there who literally have been basically brainwashed into thinking that there's absolutely no difference at all between men and women well i mean any any sort of simultaneously argue that men ruin everything so yeah i know the very premise of his video is implying there's a difference between men and women well i mean i guess you would agree because it's easy to talk about star wars with with women these days you know they don't hate hate is bad like to yeah so i mean i would i would flatly disagree with him with the statement that star wars is for everyone no anyone is free to like star wars that's true but it's not made so everyone will enjoy it because i know a lot of people who really love pride and prejudice regency romances who think star wars is stupid as anything some people yeah some people like pride and prejudice and they're totally straight a good meme finds the extra credits meme with the if you don't like busy stars you're a bad you didn't ask for it but i guess this was a suggestion for freudian yeah that one's good good old patrick making it back into tabletop game about land wizards intended for children and then of course because needs it needs a visual representative what about sea wizards though they've missed the sea wizards and i guess land sea space what else could we get is that the three one element i think they're the three big minds air wizard limitless potential for the truly truly land wizard space wizard i like that art that's very cute supposed to be about creating a universe it is for everyone what is that what is that aerial you can't make something that's made for everyone nothing in it like as soon as you add anything into a story you're adding something that just through you know dispersion is going to fall into categories of certain groups of people demographics tend to appreciate it more than others it's like i was going to say my mom does not like star wars at all and probably never will she really gets turned off immediately by like exactly base lasers and tips and stuff she's just like this is certainly not made for her if you wanted to make a star wars movie for her it's not going to look a thing like star wars isn't it but shut it's for everyone it's clearly for everyone i'm curious i talked about it in my ea survey video but these people they're they just want to change things so that like literally everybody will play them and everybody will like them and is it so bad that we have certain things that only appeal to certain people yeah no it's not bad at all but it's sexist or and racist and stuff if it is because because you know you shouldn't make something that's intended for a female audience or a male audience because you need to be inclusive but if you try and make something that everyone will like you'll make something no one likes i just realized when when something is really awesome and saying that um the wrinkling time is not meant for white people as well white men at least it's meant for black that's what she meant so i guess not ever well i wonder what this guy would have to say about that yeah when you have a a a series like star wars like star trek like anything any video games especially and they're predominantly male that's the problem it's always a problem if something is predominantly male that's an issue that's a problem even youtube being predominantly male that's a problem but whenever something is predominantly female they never bat an eye about it there's no issue there's no problem only when something is mostly male is it wrong is it a problem that sewage work is a mostly male right no it's a problem that there aren't enough women CEOs yeah we mentioned that last time it's just none of this shit stands up to scrutiny it's so contradicting bad because they aren't for everyone luke and the jedi are good because they are for everyone but they're not for the sith they're not for the sith no and the empire does seem to want to conquer everyone they they want everyone under they want to unify everyone they so the empire seems pretty inclusive in that regard there's such a i don't think i've even heard this take about star wars before you know it's like that was just for everybody this is proven by the rebels being for everyone and the empire being anti everyone except slave children yeah they can't be saving them even the people that make the films so they don't owe anything to the old fans from 40 years ago so they're not even trying to make the films for everyone and yes were they evil no sorry what was the mace window picture for i don't know are you like this were they evil no the sith want to rule everything which is which is evil and wanting to rule everything isn't inherently racist or is it inherently evil you could be very much uh interested in creating the best world for everybody fucking brand wanted to be king in game of thrones most people seem to think that he was a good guy and then he's taking the thing that like it's an assumption it's not ever stated in star wars canon to my knowledge that the leaders of the empire or the sith can only be humans or of certain race because again darth moll disproves the sith thing they have no problem having powerful you know sith members of other races and uh like i'm sure if mace window went to the dark side that he would have been welcomed with open arms and no one would have said no it's not allowed in because so yeah yeah they'd be like yeah man we we got low numbers you you can give us a hand so again he's making assumptions and then trying to qualify his argument based on things that are not rule everything which is evil and also racist because they want their people to rule everything the jedi did not rule this video has no point that is a very point thinking to say that the jedi didn't rule yeah like what would you guys say is a point this video technically the jedi tried to uh you know assert a uh uh legally established government like even though it was a bad decision the empire was voted for and stuff um and so yeah the idea that the jedi didn't want to rule as like as they no i'm not i'm not buying i'm not saying it's evil i'm not saying it's evil to want to rule but man they don't say they didn't want to rule yeah they were quite supremacist in their um uh in the uh uh enforcement of their ideology um i'm all aware you up to because because when you pause the mind kept playing oh you just say mind camp uh 8 8 50 i'll just draw it back go to 8 50 yeah i'm at 9 because they want their people to back yeah yeah people to rule everything the jedi did not rule over the galaxy again these are the messages and things that you can learn and then you apply guys guys outstanding drama series game of thrones one oh uh yeah wow what can you say what can you do what was it there are they accepting the award all right then what a sad state of affairs the best drama i how can they honestly deliver that with the outcry they saw from everyone like do you think it's just fixed yeah they're really they're totally rigged like is then because like it this is what i mean like never have i seen more of a disconnect it's like why are you doing that when you know that everyone hated it why are you what are you doing now let me double check because now i want to confirm because i went to wikipedia and it said that let me double check oh yeah no game of thrones one game of thrones one best drama series right now like uh that's the only one i think it didn't win writing uh writing this is show called succession i mean you know what outstanding it did it made an impression i can say that much it did stand out that is true tension filled seeing how terrible it would get but i mean that how funny is that it's so widely considered to be bad and yet it won it's like um remember the whole um experience love beat they've been private ryan and like everybody was just like how i mean it's kind of the same for me like la confidential came out the same year as titanic it's just like la confidential is better i don't know what to say it's better movie it should have won um chenobyl won outstanding limited series that's okay i'm happy yeah it works uh yeah now here here are the wins so comedy series is a show called fleabag that i've never heard of um that's how that's the robot from solo is it what do you mean yeah it's that it's that actress she writes that show yeah the one that they're bringing on to james bond oh uh here's one peter dinklage won a furterian lannister for game of thrones episode the iron throne for outstanding supporting actor what he was you just stood around well where there's there's two things i would reference for doing some decent acting but i seriously doubt i would have given it to denaris uh instead of him i feel i felt really bad for me lia clark throughout episode five because she's doing it don't just to portray that character he reminds me of luke in tlj it's like you're doing such a good job and that's so sad that you're doing such a good job my respect for mark hamill has grown tremendously with the amount of crap he had to put up with and he did his best to you know stay true to like and he even made the you know comments and stuff that i'm sure disney just lost their crap about um he's a true fan mark hamill and i feel sorry for what he had to go through but he did it he did what he had to i mean he was contracted i imagine he had no choice true but he could have he could have phoned it in sorry yeah yeah that's right well let's let's carry on it's like learning you can do it through movies and tv shows by listening to the message and you are you're you're saying you're going on the internet i'm losing star wars i'm losing star wars look at what yeah it's turning to shit yeah it's turning into shit he seems very invested in the idea of disseminating information from it through discussion and learning and growing and stuff it's like i wonder if you'd actually be willing to hear out anybody's criticisms for these films from a bunch of woman haters i doubt it all right yeah why bother he in he in this video said like oh yeah you guys don't get it why bother so did this city learn about racism through the last Jedi because he's saying you can learn things from these films this is where he gets all these learning from i think i think he learned that racism is not good from stars you know at least you got the message something you never had star wars okay it was never yours because you don't get it it was never yours because you don't get it wow what a what an actual prick what worthless human being jesus christ i'm so glad that these people i'm so glad he's a tiny child you just don't get it okay you don't get it yet because i'm arguing against a strawman that doesn't exist and he just doesn't get it this is hilarious yeah i don't really have much to say other than just like oh look at you look at you girl and that is okay and if you would like to get it join us in conversation you'd like to get it agree you know a dark side come join us yeah this is like this is like a propaganda film if you would like to leave a thumbs up and subscribe he's essentially saying you will not be a bad person if i will teach you to understand if you don't join me you are inherently a bad person you're evil come join us don't attack us it's a lot logical fallacy to attack us oh my god oh man you guys were slightly ahead of me let me play it for the audience so you just lose your argument from the get okay sorry he's i think i know what he said don't attack us it's a lot logical fallacy to attack the individual in an argument oh i can't believe it i can't believe it holy crap he's been doing that the whole video vilifying and just minimizing everyone to dislike star wars as evil bad men who have retarded red nicks they're they're racist they're sexist because you dislike this you edit you hate women you say women if you dislike star wars you said that multiple times the fucking cahones on this motherfucker this shit youtuber just just because this seems like the moment to probably remind everybody leave him alone don't do anything to him because this is the kind of person that would probably love to have a bunch of comments to screenshot but on his twitter for how meta-ruiting stars so leave him alone that's just what he wants yep what amazing does yeah how the lack of self-awareness we're reaching celestial levels of lack of self-awareness i might even say it's pretty epic it is very epic and so you just lose your argument from the get-go have a conversation no that doesn't mean you go off the argument he just said it by that definition he lost the argument from the get-go because he is doing ad hominin constantly and attacking the people he disagrees with so good he thinks he lost the argument by his own words and logic oh my goodness points have actual reasons you need to make a point have some example how can how can you say any of this you're like the opposite of all the things you just said actual facts what do you mean back and thought yep this is good i'm putting this up good laws that could point to better options that they could have chosen the film that is funny thing people have been doing since the fucking movie came out you mongoloid there's legions of people rewriting it it seems like i don't know how he could have missed the thousands of people who have done exactly what is saying that they should do is like talk about what they could have done better what specifics were wrong and just interpret all the criticism and response to last jedi as they like it you're different you just hate women it's just something different you didn't understand the themes oh my goodness well how do you like how do you be this person thank you the cognitive dissonance but he's just completely unaware it is insane how we could win and complain what have you done through this whole video except wide and complain your video is called men are ruining star wars this is the peak of widening and you're one of them about losing star wars just as telling everyone that you never had star wars and you don't get star wars wait i thought it was different though so is it different or is it the same and we never got it i don't understand and again coming from the guy who said the the prequels are already different so what does the same even mean like what does it even mean to be just mad about who you are and you know what oh jeez it's about we're mad about who we are now he's trying to do the whole righteous compassionate armchair psychologist you know you have a lot of hate for something maybe you hate yourself wow the hubris and oh this is astro he's got a lot of balls for someone with no good arguments and no bull and no balls and no balls yes what can you even say you know like this this video has been incredibly bad for the amount of time this has reached new levels for me like i uh oh wow what are you new to efab god ah i i should have should have expected but i haven't been on an efab where we have looked at a video like this that's i guess that's the difference for me he'll be there for you i'll still be there for you i will talk to you i will communicate we would love to talk to you people but you won't go on you won't come with us whoever this guy is won't let me know if you want to come on to efab to discuss how men are ruining star walls me and rags we'll be happy to talk about it with you i'm a man or at least i identify as such as do i gas mask man is still a man well we will go through each of your points and your facts i will reply to your messages i will try to give you my point of view and i would like to know your point of view because i'm not going to ban you i'm not going to ignore you i'll hear you out but you could be wrong and i might be wrong and that's okay but we need to hear you does this not feel like we're listening to a completely different person now i know yeah it's like who are you when did you come under this totally that because i'm a man i'm ruining star wars because like i'm a man and now you're like we just need to understand each other and come together and just like i i i suppose that we will we supposedly hate women because we just like last jedi uh gosh but he's here for us and communicate and not attack it's just so exhausting it's ruining star we're no the shitty movies are ruining star wars you just need to go whether the ruining star wars whether or not this man has an argument with some other guy on twitter does not affect star wars star wars will be fine what the hell it not fun join me and make star wars fun again no we want it to be good not fun exactly yes let's make it good again yeah let's get good so that we'll worry about fun assuming it isn't fun as a result it's shit but is it fun does it make no sense at all is it literally nonsensical sure it's fun i don't know we have a lot of fun out of the last jedi yeah we have tangentially i was gonna say it couldn't make it any more fun at the moment like i know more people i'm on long till i'm making videos sticking back to that red light video cause the loony tunes of star wars so yeah sure it's fun whoo early fucking insane nothing makes any sense i'm sure someone's having fun by not attacking each other over star wars but by talking about the thing that we obviously really love and are passionate about because that's why you're going on videos that you already know you don't agree with and commenting it's because you're passionate and you love it and we hid you out we didn't just you know your your video was fucking garbage mate you should be you should be ashamed of life this is this is really bad i had a better view of you before i'd listen to this video so there we go but this ending this the moral posturing after everything you've said oh regardless of everything i've said listen to this i love it too wouldn't it be nice if we were just better people and we can all just enjoy star wars we're better people i really i really don't like this implication that you're worse because of the opinion that you have on star wars if you enjoy star wars you're a better person wow so guess what your mother is a terrible person no redemption there sorry mom walking on the internet told me that uh you're a badman that's insane i'm always amazed with these people like does he think he lives in a bubble because there's not people like this actually around him like where or does he know people that men that hate women like i just and why is it always the most pathetic looking people yeah like the first to morally posture to you about how terrible and awful you are i did his dad not hit him enough or too much something happened not enough not enough it's one of the situations where the drop down the stairs and the stairs was really long it takes a fight with a staircase and the staircase one i want the video to finish the dead coming in going i fucking told you about wearing that t-shirt leave a comment down below and tell me what you think i want to continue this discussion hit the dislike hit the like it's okay it doesn't matter dislike because it's your opinion and you're allowed to have no our opinions don't matter your opinion could be right i thought your opinion didn't say that in the video he's doing like a a boiler plate sort of response that he has at the end of every video he doesn't remember what he said in this video it reminds me of um the whole when people say like everything i say in this video is subjective and then later on they'll say something like you cannot deny that blah blah blah and you'll be like i thought you said it was subjective like he shouldn't have any grounds to complain about you know this video response because he's uh he's been inviting it now he wants the interaction and the feedback so he should have no problem coming on e-fab bye double hand wave what was his point oh well that's that gather what was his point there was no racist a bad if you were ruining star wars if you don't like the new movies uh you don't like women if you don't like the new movies um and you should make it fun again um that's what i'm getting for oh that star wars is about uh racism and that's you know oh yeah it should make you a better person better person like him who openly verifies so you'll disagree with him uh that that's what star wars is about i think that these are the takeaways that i got from mr lodge man is the the pinnacle of morality there's no person more virtuous than i um the guy who made this video there's nothing more virtuous than liking star wars but i i thought at the start he he didn't want to hear about the problems or if you didn't like it you meant to just shut up and go away and then he finishes with come and talk to me about it like yeah you're sending me mixed messages here man i'm just i'm not sure what i'm meant to do next yeah the first 90% of your video makes me feel like the last 10% kind of a fucking lie just get down in question additional law there so we got our c wizard an air wizard ha very good only a little bit made with it i'm gonna see and remember this needs to expand we need like a trailer park wizard a city wizard you know and someone said wizard you gotta get a swamp was someone someone said the chat pinball wizard so that was a good idea as a wizard you gotta get the biomes in now volcano wizard and remember if any piece of media has any of these they're automatically children yeah and and are immune to logical criticism because it's all fantasy anyway so it shouldn't be taken seriously about a sea wizard yeah we have what if what if you're really a wizard in real life you should never be taken seriously then i'll take a real serious yeah so is the bible for children nope for mine he's this was totally right he was a land wizard but he was a sea wizard because he could walk in the water oh shit i might be the i might be the only practicing christian here but that's one valid way of interpreting it i think you know he's a soul bender bible is about a sea wizard it doesn't have to make sense because it's a sea wizard story um but yeah i was going to say we did plan to watch another video i don't know how much time have i got any of you for now oh yeah i'm reaching the limit i could probably pull out another hour or two at the most he said two hours you heard him he said two hours you heard him a couple of hours collect the limits in the air or two i'm ringing yeah uh oh i'm not sure i actually like work i need to do at some point today well that i should probably get into the the super chat part so at least i can get a few out maybe that address some people specifically rather than uh yeah um but i mean it literally we're at five hours almost and uh oh geez we took an hour and 17 minutes on intro i think and that means that that video 11 minute video took um oh that next one we're not gonna finish we're not gonna finish that next one no i'm saying that we have to say that for another time dark is yeah that's fine what's the next video just so i know because if it's juicy well it was it was a content creator talking about like the nature of opinions oh i'd love that that's yeah but like i said that that one could probably go for a holy fat because yeah i was gonna say it could take a long time but if you guys are leaving it an hour that we probably might not be able to fit we might have to do super chats and uh yeah and sign off but uh all right i'll try and be available for the next time yeah well i'll put it on the back burner because it's a timeless discussion as it is i actually really like the philosophical implications of all that stuff it doesn't really get into that in the video unfortunately the thing is we can you know so it'll be fine yeah um it's just it's just so interested to see all everyone's different takes on uh how we should all speak to each other i guess because of course not everyone's gonna agree but see how it goes regardless because everybody's doing like all takes on subjectivity as well how can you criticize something definitively answer me that Batman those people will die in your opinion it's interesting how like deeply um almost sociological these concepts are about the the negative kind of backlash and attack on objective standards and being a reviewing things objectively and how it can even be linked back to the fact that no one can be bad at anything and everyone has to be a winner and stuff and how dare you criticize or offend anyone and all these things and it's really affecting fundamental philosophical standards i mean my goodness i mean it's good just you know even the fact that people are still willing to have the conversations at least without far goes to just locking it off i mean still there's still people who do people were like i will not listen to you because you're a bad man you're like they're associating criticism with personal attacks and that they're you'll be you're a bad person he hates women then because you say Ray is a Mary Sue is like no there are lots of and it's and uh you'd think that it doesn't take that much thought to realize how disingenuous and contradictory they're being like all the comments that they were trying to claim that captain marvel was under the first female action heroes and people just hated that it was going to be a woman's like are you kidding me we're like oh i it's hard for me to understand how people could come to a conclusion when it's so obviously false with the basic the most basic level of consideration on the matter when you look at all these other female action heroes that heaps of men have loved for years and then they come out with these grossly incorrect things i just can't understand it politics yeah i was i was actually gonna say the uh the most common way i see is they really want to find out your politics as soon as possible just so they know that they can stop listening oh yeah because once you're a part of the bad team then any idea that comes from you is is originating from a rotten set of values anyway wouldn't label and dismiss that's what i always say is what they're all about label and dismiss i was just crazy it like even from my own sort of perspective is an up-and-coming youtuber when i i knew about all this stuff like seeing discussions online with people like this is what what a molest politics like why why is everyone obsessed with knowing what what policies i hold on certain elements like i'm talking about that it's like they need to know whether or not they can take you seriously um yeah i was just setting up the um got a whole series of eight bit images at all mr this is like eight bit odd if you will bad oh i feel very very impressed uh it looks like uh looks like mega man oh yeah i think i think that might be maybe what it's basing it slightly on it looks like mega man's jump it's very cool this would be robot head doing they're not entirely sure of what your body would look like so no that's pretty accurate that's pretty good except for the night genitalia but maybe next thing you did mention your attachments this would be pio so you guys may not get every one of these because there's some guests you smile or al creepy face so is that what his is that what his body's like um he's got another drawing of fan art that gave him a body like that so i guess it's becoming canon that would be his body i i you know i can't control these things smud boy with his based on the um mass effect dude so the mass effect dude that's correct ringy ah that's good that's good i like that i'm saving that not logic mr t ro himself blue iron man that is for tear until he figures out exactly what he wants to do with his pfp but that uh he could adopt that one who knows then of course there is me and i think i have the infinity gauntlet done okay with this mr eight bit wolf yeah that's a good one yeah yeah i like that one nicely like shaded as well an eight bit rag there you go i think they're the last bonus one the one that we all really wanted to see was uh bike rags the dawn riding in yay this is uh the lore is complete this is something that somebody sent me let me double check the uh lesia blackbird in this one i like it all impressive yeah that's really good i really like oh wow really like efat fan artists and more like me fan off that is great oh yeah i'm cool with sharing that is it a fan of your channels made it is it i guess so yeah um i probably mispronounced the name it was lesia blackbird thank you that's that's great i really like that hopefully they know that you uh you're on this stream so they could see you reacting to it well it got sent to me by someone else it wasn't sent by uh it was sent by glib oh so but he said that it was from her or him i'm not sure i don't know that's not me but this is great well we hate women so i hope it's a he he knows women they need propaganda in order to like and dislike things oh no what is a he sorry i fucked that up thanks though all right then i'm gonna start reading out some super chats here we go uh we didn't miss mohler do you agree that we should ban death what do you guys think banning death but i mean banning the reaper yeah the reaper or the condition that comes upon us at the end of our life we can do that legally right it prevents it well i i just don't know why they haven't banned it it's shit you'd think morally speaking they would have banned it by now death bad uh yeah we're gonna have to get some stalls movies to reaffirm that for us because maybe some people think death good high rags hello hey muesli how goes brexit um uh for my understanding not great i i i'm just waiting to see what happens i was just saying there would be no efap this week no just uh just a late one um hello shad oh hello oh muesli i am man three an unbridled praise when it wouldn't be a praise but uh i do actually want to make that video someday i'm not sure in what way it would come out one day oh sweet sunday efap thanks notification oh dear dawn it's three ozzie's versus one long brit may the cosmic chicken have messy on us all no no no this is a team effort teamed up there was no britain versus ozzie australia yeah we're allies tingly australians just second hand brit so well you guys are happier to be there than with us i don't know let's get your own with crazy monsters on it that's true i do get to fight the monsters your own Jurassic parks noice efap without burping every five minutes also hi you're saying that rags is a bit i haven't had really any sodie pop or anything but yeah there there has not been a lot of burpage going on try to get that secret course once one point once i pretty much once i got home i came to efap so yeah i didn't expect you to be able to make it but you did which is yeah i'm glad you got to see that video it was uh that was terrible holy fuck don't you feel more fulfilled from having seen it i feel so much more self-confident about myself i'm glad it's another one of those videos that just makes me so glad that i'm me and not them and who is this mysterious that the man well that that might be giving him a lot of credit the the the guy in that thing with the lando calrissian funko pop the other you'll never let that go really the dude had a lando calrissian funko pop what the fuck um how do you do that they're not even the right lando yeah it was shitty donald glover glover glove lando donald glover glover glover um robot fucker there's this there's two more memes i'm gonna show even though i've got a collection of memes for another for another stream potentially but i do actually want to show these because i think i think me and rags will definitely both of them this is the first one right so i'm sure you're gonna love it oh no he asked to be beautiful at one point shadow mire dreamy beautiful shadow i did dream beautiful yes uh don't forget and this is efap oppily and um the dog with a hat yay you got me in the car which makes sense skull wheels dog and hat got velociraptor slash t-rex you mean hat hat on dog jay's the shoe um i guess if we go around from the top left you got free parking from the dog which i think that's perfect but let me try and fit this on screen uh and orphans spider fortune sword like say sword like on on jacks objects this is on jacked right i think i'm supposed to be object uh yellow pole nice art is subjective and the other trains are themes space wizards for children and you hate women so they're all the train stations um um verified faggill oh wow this is gonna be new then nice uh there's sexual harassment up in the corner oh yeah that's great though would that be the equivalent of pasco in this no pasco is collect 200 salaries you pass cosmic chicken um verified fangirl apex homosexual looking at women hello ladies and gentlemen hello all my n-wits high rags so that's a good set of three fortune critical analysis subjectivity monopoly how ironic big idiotisms you're a nazi what about ism tax space wizards of children one of them's the latest six so it's very up to date 1.2 billion just visiting artificial barriers of blockage thus this is actually really well put together reference wise i'm i'm impressed racism's elevator music good rat mary sue narrative tripling kick j okay honald loke the fast-dealing criticism trading card game yeah well i mean it would probably work out pretty much make a monopoly out of anything like it good shit um all right uh what is what is yellow pole that is sausage man sausage dude oh right gotcha yeah yeah captain marvel's powers is just super saiyan minus the years of work mastery application talent that a lot of characters from dragon ball did to earn it that was celestially epic oh there's two for shad but i think he's popped out for so wait till he comes in more any plans on making a video on a metroid game also a favorite metroid game uh it's tough to choose between metroid prime and super metroid but they're my favorites and yeah i'd like to make a video on metroid sometime i did i don't know how long it would take because i'd want to do everything and make sure i cover exactly me and friggin bit watching some uh metroid it's been great yep not all shit star wars more like incorrect wars no we watched one i have to start collecting the bad ones i think i've got some back i'm back ah all right let me look at my backlog of shad question that i saved um hello shad have you read stormlight archive have i i'm consulting for brandon sanison on his next stormlight book so yes i have so you have okay all right just make sure correct me if i've read this before i feel like i might have but it says if so who's your favorite character and why is it dalana because it is dalana is right oh dalana is just like i love her how you know strong years how authoritative and sure and it's just a decently good character who gets tested really in a hard way and comes out on top and he still struggles and is just a good leader and so yeah brilliant character i love it um dad what are your thoughts on all seven lightsaber forms if you know them see my thoughts are like they seem to only have stances and then they go into kind of a vague way of describing how they fight without going into detail of what the specific moves are now that can be a safe way to do it because if someone who is unfamiliar with sword fighting tries to explain in detail you attack this specific way from the stormy from the distraction distraction can sometimes like write or create some very bad styles of fighting having said that i haven't looked into it in detail so if there is that level of detail i'm just completely contradicting uh my understanding of it uh or just the how it is depicted they recommend checking out jen sarah's video on it okay i might have to have a look and they'd love to know your thoughts on your favorite slash best duel from star wars i've been actually thinking about that recently i'm going to launch a new series of my channel called fight scene autopsy or actually plan to break down iconic fight scenes frame by frame you can kind of guess where i got my inspiration for that um but really like it that the most detailed fight scene breakdown analysis that i can do and i'm going to start with the last Jedi throne room scene but then i'm going to move to um fight scene between obi one and an Anakin and then Darth Vader and Luke Skywalker and then i'll expand to other you know um pop culture stuff fight scenes and things so at the moment it's hard for me to say but it would be a fight between Anakin versus obi one or luke versus Darth Vader but i need to give them a much closer look to compare right sounds good it's good to look forward to you um and this is a saved question i had for you fringy what's your favorite daredevil season minus three but one is a close second from uh probably season one i think it'd go one three two um i think two two is kind of hard because the punisher stuff like daredevil and punisher stuff is really great but the hand stuff is a little bit it's a bit iffy um they all kind of have problems but i do think it would go one three two uh i think three is pretty good and one is probably my favorite and so that does it for the old questions i need to make sure you're asked now back with the name was actually i'm going to cover all of the stream labs things i've missed uh i'll just go from seven days back maybe uh five of them just before you do that malon gonna take off i only thought i could stay two or three hours so i'm glad it works everything's right um well before you go would you like to maybe talk a bit about your channel and why everybody in the chat should subscribe to you yes come subscribe robot head where uh we'll make fun of movies star wars game of thrones i've got a second channel now robot head reload where i'm gonna upload some live streams and some extra content and i've got membership on the channel now if anyone wants to come and be a member but um thank you again for having me and once i work at what i'm doing with the live stream you all have to come on so yeah that's the deal have me in rags on at the same time it'll be a nice little cross yes well that's what i'm hoping so j pointed out a video of someone ripping into one of my videos i might have to copy the e fat format and just get you all over for it i'll go for it i i see it as encouraging the idea of conversation uh like cynical people might see it as bullying or something but i mean in the aid of actually trying to open up a dialogue maybe a few insults get thrown maybe a little bit of anger and animosity is spread but ultimately hopefully some answers are reached and you can defend yourself which would be uh good for you i imagine yeah i'd like that i'd like to see what this i haven't watched it yet because i want to wait for the roll to see what they say so uh yeah we might have to do that one day but the rest of you enjoy the rest of your day and thank you again for having me on thanks for coming man it's been fun catch you dude no worries i shall speak to you i shall speak to you soon see you bye bye you can find a link to his channel in the description good old mr robot head i believe that's his third appearance now he's climbing that ladder you know how it be um happy birthday to shad i love your videos and when i write my fantasy world i'm definitely going giving one of my minotaur a door as a tower shield awesome thanks man i appreciate it dad we come from the same country and have the same birthday are you just me from the future in other news efab at a reasonable hour for my birthday thank you my Aussie brothers yeah well that that could be true but we'll have to wait in a few years to find out we'll see happy birthday shad i just got your book off amazon and i'm ho i'm looking forward to getting into it well legend hope you enjoy shad congrats on becoming a consultant for stormlight archive sanderson chose wisely i know it's pretty awesome like crazy um how did rags not see pacific rim one this i haven't seen it yeah it happens i just have there's a lot of i haven't seen most movies they said hi by the way oh hello oh the dawn is in it that's true actually i forgot he's actually in there um a limerick there once was a long man who's bad a wolf and a doggo named rag there being the toxic brood demand for things to be good drove people objectively mad that works um yeah i don't i don't even a donation for mental may he be able to buy or pauntisms and they maybe it's metal yeah i so you know genres of porn he was he was blissfully unaware of um of nugget of a variety of what that refers to i don't even know what that is well it's better that people don't probably and and it was his his chat were very surprised i guess since we just went over how rags didn't see pacific rim there's lots of things people just don't know about and we have to accept that but i will i will make a note um i think that was from the stream i did with him on uh friday yeah um happy birthday shad oh thank you very much also hi rags hello like they could be weight you're in greece you're asking what my weight is in greece or what somebody's weight is in greece i'm failing on the rabbit in greece this is weight you're in greece i'm not sure about what is the chance the simpsons goes on for so long it unironically becomes good again i mean it's possible maybe i was supposed to be reading the uh stream labs ones uh right uh what is up all my n words also hi rags hello oh hi hey hello hi lord of the rings battles often end with one trump card riders of rohan at helms deep the ghosts at ministeri's they're established they're established no yeah of course they're on hen yeah yeah no i'm on hen wouldn't count but um helms deep ministeri's and the black gate would all count but i don't have that that's not a flaw right like but he presents is a flaw in the video we covered um more please say bun bun has the best but the world needs to know the truth thanks for getting me through my first year of college more i have a crush on your sexy voice and hi rags hello hello i stopped my medicine degree tomorrow and thanks to all of you being there when i needed laughs and great entertainment oh and thanks to all of you for all that sorry uh you're all hilarious and please keep up the great work you marvelous toxic brood you also hi rags hello who needs rhino milk when you can have jar jars breast milk that it comes off cold and clammy um what if it's just water i'm gonna cover these in case i didn't cover them um just finish my second playthrough of securo in hard demon clock active while listening to you awesome ever considered having razor fist as a guest uh probably in future there's no reason why not as long as he's game opinions on dead poet society great i like it yeah i like it a lot haven't seen it the more deniesh the better i say put on the list that's the one where they stand on the desk isn't it yes captain my captain seize the day also hi j kick metal rags have you activated windows yet i think i do have an activated windows on my computer yeah pretty sure yeah i think not before i'm pretty sure i also did yeah i don't actually know where that's coming from i think it's uh i think they swapped them all around the idea is hi rags kick kick j and metal have you activated windows maybe because it says i think i think it's supposed to just be a fuck up of of things somebody has an activated windows i don't think it's rags i'll be right back in just a second just a second then zappermann ninja turtle so annoying which is a reference to tonals all right they're caught up which curse is worse having teeth that slowly grow hair or having facial hair that bleeds when you shave it barely mr probably depends how much blood probably because teeth that slowly grow hair that sounds uh sounds really horrible convenience yeah how does it come off do you have to like shave that i'd probably take the the bleeding assuming it's not too much just bleed when you shave probably um hey muller i've been watching your content since before e-fap was created i've been able to stay caught up until now i'm leaving for marines boot camp i expect several e-faps that i can binge when i get back oh there will be i'm glad you've enjoyed up to this point wonderful howdy massives listening to rags video about monday matt and vox while cleaning my record collection having fun tonight have fun tonight sorry um have lots of fun well cool good stuff battle angel elita last order has a character that sold the rights to his blood organs body brain and genetic code is he an apex orphan oh yes yes yeah that's pretty much peak orphan right there um happy birthday shad listen to your audiobook and loved it give these five schmuckers to shad very well oh thank you very much sir i appreciate and it's very awesome to hear you enjoyed the uh my book with the audio version on my book which is available just just throwing that out i have it yeah i do i do have it uh it's on my list uh hi rags hello kick j oops he's not even there yet kick in j when he's not even first ever super chat great to see shad oh oh thank you sir rise the skywalker ending ray hooks up with kylo's ghost they go back in time and conceive anakin oh i don't know i'm pretty much on rags aside with us like go for it do everything everything's who cares that he will just do anything hello to all my favorite massives and n words also hi rags hi hey hi mola by mola hi bye good night you massives i'll return during breakfast yeah this is pretty late for a lot of people i uh i'ma get drunk and enjoy the fap also hi rags hello in the is the inside of a zebra's butt black or white i assume it'd be black because it's dark yeah possibly i haven't checked nor have i asked a scientist in the field the answer is surely to be found the rat in scott's van was not cgi but real does this indeed make good rat i feel like the answer to what makes good rat is much more complicated i certainly believe that rat yes there's gonna be a lot of uh a lot of work to do in terms of science to figure out what makes good rat ultimate feel like i believe that rat like we're gonna wait a while get a lot of testimony i mean as brown table made any more videos about what works good rat because he was kind of our go-to guy for source of information failed us in that um machiculations ah hello there you legend oh my god an australian friendly time to effap take my money oh see our australian audiences will pop it out tonight there you go these happen more often well we'll we'll do the australian triple threat again sometime i think it works out hi rags hello hey are you ever gonna have griffin gaming or it's a gundam on effap as a guest uh not against it i'm not sure who griffin gaming is i've heard of it's a gundam but i don't know uh what they do or what the channel but again we're not opposed to pretty much any guest most also i love your voice it makes me pee pee hard oh adorable my dream fab all ozzy's mohler slash rags the nirvana song they should have used for captain marvel um is there a nirvana song called rape me i don't know i don't know they said they should have raised me up and said if someone is requesting why won't you mean it's not technically rape just well they're requesting that that's the song be used because that's how they felt watching captain marvel apparently okay also chat chat we're all saying there is and yes goes to show everyone's knowledge of divana apparently oh i don't know shit about nirvana yeah i don't either one of their best songs all right now if you guys thought rey's folding sabre was silly then look up the lightsaber whip i would take a lightsaber whip over his silly lightsaber i feel like a lightsaber whip could be i feel like i feel like i kill myself with a lightsaber whip that sounds insanely dangerous yeah if you're not talented with a lightsaber whip or you've got to be oh my god they have the force rags oh man they got rags doesn't have faith in them i don't have faith in them there's so much hey rags enjoyed your brown table video will you work on a video about esrb giving the latest nba game an e rating instead of t for simulated gambling thanks well i don't i don't know anything about it maybe if they did well because of course they did because there's no way they're gonna act the srb's got lord knows the kind of money that's being funneled into the esrb but i mean the idea that you can have you can have actual gambling i mean there's like slot machines in the whole nine yards so it's it's absolutely messed up that this would have a kid's rating on it it's i'm not surprised because of course they would they're not gonna they're not gonna put a t rating on an nba game especially would not win this big some high rags hey it was super smart of fin to drag rose back to the base with him her massive form easily covered his tracks in their wake oh that's i didn't think about that way that's good yeah was it some cover from fire as well yes uh wolf introduced me to rags rags introduced me to bola bowler introduced me to efab efab introduced me to jj made me quit youtube oh yay yay also uh have a fap where y'all get drunk because that would be extra very entertaining and also lovely weather we have i don't know what else to say um i every time critical drinkers come on i've i've been drinking alcohol i'm pretty sure we did the two parter with him rose i was pretty drunk we've done it it's happened um i don't get why they didn't have mara jade in the movies if you want to have a good female character there's one on a platter i don't think their ideas of what makes a good female character yeah with what you with the normal persons with a talented person yeah with someone who's right yeah everyone forgot looper even existed until after glj came out and now knives out is getting all this praise before it came out yeah i don't buy it i don't buy it either we'll have to give that a bit of time because uh i'm curious see if it's truly a 100 percent kind of film you know i'm sure it is i'm sure it's that good uh i'm gonna be i'm gonna be a little bit skeptical about it uh people who say belch when they burp should be burned what do you mean i don't know that's all sess more is it i don't uh i don't know about that one more is it just the mind controlled troopers that you have a problem with or is it the awful execution of the idea the mind control troopers the clones are like the i'm cool with clones um yeah the clones yeah but like normal the normal man the first order soldiers yeah if you're talking about uh disney star wars and yes absolutely the execution of the idea and also not really explaining how it works like how did finn become a trooper that managed to break from the conditioning you know i go all that might tfa part one i think but uh if you're talking about prequel stuff i don't think i have a problem with the clones for the most part so it says one like that patrick williams says he doesn't regret saying you're watching movies wrong and he says that quote is almost always taken out of context yeah i um i quote tweeted him he says he said it was partly a joke how do you have that be partly a joke how does that make sense you're watching movies wrong it's like that's binary it's right or wrong so how how is it that that's partly a joke that doesn't make any sense and i actually think it would have benefited him to say it was a joke instead of saying it was partly a joke because i'm just confused my friend so well he just uses that as cover yeah he absolutely meant that oh yeah there's no way he didn't mean that that's ridiculous uh my friend so ryan's knives out and she doesn't care about star wars so she didn't pay attention to tlj discussion she said knives out was terrible to bc now i am curious memes say 2019 is a year of clowns it's joker and beto all right beto a raw cab guessing that's a reference to yeah i think so uh let's see that a r15 go right he's yeah he's one of the ones that speak a different language in the debates randomly right uh i can't remember there's like three of those ones crazy authoritarian monster like he's actually disgusting person the four beers and says this is for the ossees they can't drink it's too early but uh well they appreciate it thank god you guys are here to cheer me up after my chicago cubs kept blowing games also rags what would it take for you to have sex with brown table i mean you have to be looking the other way back on his head anonymous i don't know uh i just i don't like him he doesn't he's not a lot he doesn't come across a likable guy or an intelligent guy you know i i really don't know if he has any qualities to my knowledge quality i mean like he has like height and like dimensions i i from his videos like he's so aloof and stupid and i just i i legit i'm kind of just bit up a bit out of loss uh praise be the dawn sands is in smash hi mola yeah i heard uh i think we mentioned that last e-fap good stuff for big fans of uh under tail so yeah cool haven't e-fapped in a while any new on wolf uh wolf's doing fine he's just um obviously not not on e-fap uh at least for the foreseeable future is uh any updates that were like super significant that you guys would need to know about we we would uh we would let you know no worries keep marjade away from new star was canon they just ruin it she's my favorite eu character don't touch her ever i was actually gonna bring up the fact that it's like you guys sometimes suggest like they should do blah blah blah it's like maybe don't have them destroy that thing that you like isn't it sad that our confidence in hollywood has fallen so low that we would rather than not even attempt it's like don't try we know you'll fuck it up just don't even do it i love you guys especially you molly your videos have inspired me to start my own youtube channel where i talk about manga and weeaboo things good stuff one question for you all is lolly conan cp the same no uh what what are they what what so what what's lolly what is that it's gonna be an awful thing to discuss honestly like drawn like drawn anime children okay he's asking are is are they especially equivalent i'm like no obviously because one is depiction just drawings of it of children and one is actually children right one is obviously worse than the other yeah that's that's definitely a discussion isn't it that'll probably be a discussion they've gone for a long time in terms of defining parameters of everything in ethics so well i know i think it's no i think this is one of the really quick easy to sum up things obviously child porn is worse than lolly conan because one is real children and the other isn't i guess it depends on what you what the basis is for good or bad like is it bad because of what the effect is on the child of the real one or is it bad on the principle that it's bad to you know in general because it depending on how you draw the line then it's like then it would change i mean i think they're both bad based on based on what i've heard about uh lolly off of that description but yeah but that's yeah that's that's a whole topic isn't it i was gonna say i'm not touching that shit i don't know anything like just like nope yeah um i agree with angel red 89 marajade is too good for disney star wars they would only ruin her like everything else keep her out yeah i i assume a lot of people would have that perspective do any of you guys listen to the hello internet they've done episodes on each of the star wars films thankfully they aren't fans of tlj that is the cgp gray podcast uh he does with is it minute physics that the other guy who does that um i used to listen to it i i don't know i just i didn't stop because i thought it was bad or anything i just sort of fell out with it but um yeah it's a cool podcast and it's cool that they've done ones on the films yeah i've heard of it haven't listened to anything from him yet people in chat are saying dale is here who's dale i don't know well like down from the walking no i think he's the the guy that we covered the video on oh i think he's name was dale i did like it's terrible you should be ashamed of yourself oh my goodness dale like what were you thinking how you doing dale what's uh what's the account dave is it dale or is it something else dale koniggy um i'm just waiting to see if it pops up or not yeah i wonder if the chat might just say someone's here for the flows just to fuck with us oh yeah that's why i'm waiting for the good old fashioned proof dale knows about the because you can check anyway right you can literally it takes you to the channel you should yeah because the channel name is like network 1901 or something like that oh that could actually be him he says nah it's just it's me just recover from all the crying of my takedown uh okay he looks like a cryer yeah it's the same icon as the one from twitter and yeah uh it's a link to a channel it's like let's play isn't it's the same guy i guess that is him if you want to jump on discord to have a chat with us you'd be welcome to dale uh there is uh there is a link to my discord in the description from there you can find my account on the top right and then just send me a message and i'll get you in this conversation if you'd like to discuss how men are ruining star wars that'd be cool yeah i'd love yeah i'm not sure i'd have the time oh well i mean uh you don't have to stay but um i'm assuming you'd be curious about this very curious because i have to say like nothing against impersonal well he did make some interestingly personal kind of you know implications in your argument there dale that i felt if you don't want to be personal then disingenuous um that's to say the least that it would be interesting to hear your thoughts or explanation for dale seeing anything i don't think i can't even fight when when did he say he's anything in chat i can't see it it was it was the account was dale knows it's something about crying about his takedown i assume that that's like sarcastic oh well he could just be uh handling it in good fun which would be oh yeah no that's that's fine i'm not it's uh because if he helped him that'd be cool to just talk about it though i too don't know how i could stick around i'm just working on like an assignment while you're reading out super chats how long have you got rags will i be alone pretty much all night all right good stuff we'll be able to talk to dale if he if you wish i mean you said yes i can come chat all right if you want to just not cool i said just pop me a message on discord you can find my account through the description i will get you in um do any of you got a molar i make videos uh critiquing films by dismantling flaws i want to make videos critiquing good movies but i don't know how to make it interesting any tips so like do you mean like explaining why good movies are good or explaining the flaws in good movies because it's essentially the same format there's almost like a flip though so like a lot a lot of what people like when you rip something down is the um sort of jabs once you've explained the logic of how it doesn't make sense and then you then you have like a maybe a hyperbolic like uh insult or something like that you try and find the inverse so it's like you can praise it you could say like this is fucking brilliant you know this is this is amazing this is such great work especially for things that really are like enough to achieve um it's not easy though i understand that i was very concerned about my infinity wall video working because it was i'm appraising i do want to make more in the future so i guess um i'm going to be experimenting with it as time goes on as well also tell everyone to watch my videos everyone go watch evan munro he's got an icon from blade runner 2049 i think so anyway just got a big old check from working all weekend so here have some money poos please buy everyone mismonopoly with this mubishly oh yeah that's right that's a thing uh hello ragged shag hello just got myself a great sword any tips on somewhat practical use well i'm interested in things but i'd i'd want to see uh what type of great sword there are many swords that claim to be great swords but uh uh are not actually great i feel like we've glossed over the question of the practical use of a great sword in like uh i mean if you live it goes without saying oh yeah right snakes and emus and any other invaders especially now it's coming on shit yeah you know keep an eye out and you shed and i mean you know you can have everyday use when you're walking down the street and let's say a robber is trying to take someone's purse you can bring out your great sword i think that there's there's a possible use of getting that way just you need to have your permit for carrying the great sword of course love to carry sword again in public great i robert head and friggled australia is an inside job um let's yeah a meme this is that dale is is yeah uh hello hey greetings hello your microphone doesn't sound as good as the one of the videos yeah yeah do you want me to tune it up oh i mean we'd love to if you could while he's sorting out check this out from beowyn and i love brought the boss home for supper well i hope he's hungry is his spaghetti bolognese shepherd's pie what what is the thing with shepherd's pie is that like a oh right like a no it wasn't there for the debate smaller than i had oh yeah it's one of efans new me ha ha ha i love it the screen bursts the mask off that's priceless i love it i got two more i can i feel like dale's can be confused as fuck when he sees this but uh i could set it on twitter like no i had i had no idea until star wars told me then uh i guess i may have missed this one before but this is obviously a reference to my ds2 videos yeah this is better oh yeah that was the um yeah it's taking a way back uh have you swapped microphones yeah yeah can you hear me better does that sound the same to you guys or no not as echoey yeah it might be a little bit better yeah i mean it's probably good enough for it i was gonna say if you want to double check that discord is using the correct mic like if you check your satins it might yeah yeah there's a few more uh wizards up in the trail isn't it that's all they got mention earlier so a little toe is sticking out one of his socks his drawing's really good to get that chalky kind of look to him yeah uh oh i just noticed yeah the spider wizards would be uh exceptionally powerful well yeah i mean he's got eight legs so he's got eight eight legs to cast you know spells with is it fixed up dale how are we looking uh sorry i'm just working on the assignment and i feel like i'm just uh i'm just like missing the thing entirely until now and i feel like i'm just cost myself a lot of time and headache every stupid mistake wait missed what oh just because i've been working i've been working on this assignment and i'm like look all the other questions are fine but there's one and i just i couldn't figure it out and now i feel like i've i just i may have just figured it out off of just reading correctly and having basic comprehension skills and now i'm just like i'm losing it as as is anything progressing dale how about a microphone oh maybe he's uh switched um i'm not sure should we just who's carol reading these things until he says something um we might have to oh oh yeah we if you switch microphones discord needs oh hey there is yeah there you go that sounds better that sounds better of course i apologize good i'm good so um we we didn't enjoy your video very much we had some disagreements either no we had some criticisms here and there uh i suppose they're a good one we uh we could start with the the title so men are ruining stalls do you do you still think that's a fairly accurate statement um well like it's not it you know it's inflammatory right well it's accurate statement um oh i think i think for the first obviously not right like most men are not what uh is being projected at this time but at that time when the video was made it pick and um you know just leading with something provocative and just kind of more exploring i didn't know the data just clicked on us from June 2018 so it's over a year old yeah yeah so um yeah it was just kind of uh it was more of like a thought exercise similar to you know but i position my thought exercise is kind of as like a argument and director of the role you know what i mean maybe like what's your what's your opinion now i guess relative to the points that you made in the video like what's your what's your position on the on the topic as broadly defined as it is uh it's it's tricky right like you're talking about it and um because you can have like a assertive idea beforehand and then if you you know want to say anything different to that statement um you know it's backpedaling and all that stuff and but um no like men are not ruining star wars right like that's obviously clearly uh like there's there's so many men in the world as you guys pointed out um and uh yeah people i would just at home watching uh some movies with the family and uh people on twitter i had mentioned that you guys were the video and um so i thought i'd come on and just uh be open to chatting about it because that's all it was meant to do is to strike conversation absolutely i was going to say since sha doesn't have a lot of time is there anything you would want to ask before you don't have a chance well yeah i mean first of all good on your tail for coming on and uh coming to the lion's den as it were and uh being willing to have a chat so uh uh i'm impressed well well good on you thanks i had to eat a couple soy packs to get ready for so i guess there's a couple of very strong and uh i would almost call vilifying positions that you took just almost for granted without really establishing their validity like you use you know you had said that if you don't like and i assume you're talking about news star wars particularly the last year i you then don't like women and what are your views on that statement and and now compared to then and and also how did you get to that position because that's that's a very big thing to say yeah um so from the little kind of segment and niche that my world revolved in being like a disney podcaster and youtuber um and uh working with uh younger like a younger woman and uh and myself i just kind of looked at how i was treated on the internet versus how she was treated on the internet and i found that um video you know the it and it's so backwards on this video i'm like i'm calling out men and people are like commenting on it if you look like right people like oh that's so brave and that's amazing um but then if you look at a video that network would make um it would be like about her liking a character and all the comments would just be about like you're like a piece of shit ugly whore you know shave like and just like super mean things um and uh i started meeting more women who were running podcasts and things like that who they were being treated the same so i had this like hyper exposure to this uh niche um and whether they're troll accounts or um which some of them like probably a lot of them were um there was still um this distinctive role that i had noticed um the people who were coming out were predominantly male and just women's experiences being new to the fandom um uh was predominantly male but then i would also have my point of like i enjoyed the prequels growing up and i also had to defend myself to men who called me and who called me an idiot and said i didn't know what i was talking about because uh i liked you know i liked the phantom menace when i was 13 right so uh i just kind of related to it from that from that viewpoint so we've acknowledged that probably they were mostly troll accounts um well i don't i don't actually know if that's true or not like i don't i don't have any facts or information about that but but you know what i mean like we do know that troll accounts are a problem um you know uh i don't know if they're a problem um what i think is interesting is that the star wars community and especially if you cross that over with star wars fandoms on youtube specifically it's going to be predominantly male just demographics wise so pretty much everything that's going to happen is going to be predominantly male anyway no and then when you but when you continue on that thought exercise right that's always the case right like it is that um i guess the culturalization or how social structures and how like societies are structured right i think men are it's just mostly appealing generally to men you know star wars the action lightsabers fights wars yeah i would disagree i would i actually would i would just would disagree on that i think generally it appeals more to women um no i think that um it's gonna be one or the other uh well uh i i think that entertainment can be perceived or art can be perceived by whoever wants to perceive it i didn't say that i didn't say that i think the point that's being made is that because that naturally you know any media can be can be enjoyed by anybody but they do generally tend to be trends in terms of like most most men aren't that interested in watching like romance films and you know most and and it's because i think with star wars he's probably got a decent chunk that a female but it would still be like majority male interest in the same way that majority male interest in like the mcu or lord of the rings of course right and it all derives from the 70s and right yeah like it's all i i i i i just figure it's kind of like predisposed to certain things like it's it probably isn't much of a surprise that men on average tend to be more interested in action oriented um things then then women and conversely women tend to be more interested in the interpersonal kind of like does seem to be a bit of a universal standard we notice yes yeah and there are there are some individuals yeah there is some like uh debate to where that trend comes from but the trend does exist right the analytics can't lie do you uh do you think it's a problem but i think what's a problem sorry that that men are that generally star wars and the mcu other similar universes and such you know warhammer things like that do you think it's a it's something to be fixed or solved that it is mostly appealing to men um well you know i grew up in a comic book store as you can tell him a huge geek it's uh the way it's you know just the way it is i was around men i built computers when i was a teenager uh kind of grew up in the same area my whole life and um yeah it was like all when i was in those environments because i also did other things as well when i was in those environments yeah it was super super predominantly males and when a girl would walk into the comic book store all the guys would be weird and like all that all that stuff um but definitely now um uh you do see it at the comic book store like again like this is like and like this is totally anecdotal but i you know you you're it's 50 50 and i um yeah and it's it's really enjoyable like it's enjoyable to um see now my kid my oldest son played Dungeons and Dragons you know in a mixed like group and not feel so much anxiety talking to women or or feeling such a separation um from women i think that's super important for our genders not to be feel super separated from each other all the time so does that boil down to a yes or no or um it's a complex question and i'd like i don't know how comfortable i like feel making like a i don't know like i know you guys i know i know you guys kind of like made fun of me for um being open to the idea that i was part of the problem of like causing star wars and like i'm kind of equating that to the me too movement in the sense where we all whether or not any man uh had committed uh sexually sexual assault against a woman it i think it was important for all men to take a moment to think to really think about if they if they had um and i don't have anything to feel guilty about yeah neither do have eyes so i i kind of don't like the the gendered framing thing i mean sexual assault and stuff like yeah but i i mean i guess like it depends on what like if if you were in hollywood and you knew about the stuff that was happening you know that that's one thing but like i don't i have it's got nothing to do with me you know like i'm not there i haven't done anything wrong so it was more of just a thing to observe rather than think about for me because it's like i haven't done anything wrong you know what i mean like um yeah like when i was in height when i was in high school uh we had a teacher who um some years later was fired um for the way he was with women and we witnessed that in class um some of us actually had like had received like like worse grades um uh because we weren't women um in this guy um was uh it was pretty bad and we we went to the when we went to the administration staff about it um as a as a guy i was i was laughed at yeah so sexism exists yeah sexism exists towards men and women in different situations and circumstances and stuff um but does that does that how does that apply to that i guess the point of discussion that's being made here necessarily um because generally if star wars for instance appeals to guys more generally uh like there's no harm that most guys tend to like that just like there's no harm that most girls tend to like twilight and pride and prejudice and i personally don't think these things need to change or should change to appeal to different demographics or sexes because if you change twilight to appeal more to guys less girls are going to like it because you're changing certain like core elements away from what it originally was and decide that's kind of some of the i guess perspective and point of view that we can't see this stuff do you think that star wars should be changed to appeal to new demographics that aren't interested in it originally um well i think a private company like disney um you know if they want to make a change uh to their parks everyone who's a fan of the parks raises their arms up there and flips out um and i think the same can be done with any of the content that they own if they want to do research we'll still stop just no hold on if they want to do research and they want to be like hey this is a market we want to grab or we do want to be more inclusive or we want to do these things for x number of reasons it always ending up being for money or branding uh then then they should go ahead and do it right and if we want to like it we we pay our money and if we don't like it we stop watching star wars and we move on to something else you're saying they should if they can like the comedians right if with comedians you don't judge comedy you either you judge it by laughing or not laughing no and yeah that's pretty much answering the question like yeah they can do whatever they want with it no no it's not what i asked that's why i tried to stop you went on where i thought you were going i'm asking you should they right they should do whatever would make them the most money well all right all right um just got also the the thing that you said about um if they don't like it they just don't watch it and stuff because in your video you went a bit further than that you were basically saying if you don't like it you shouldn't criticize it that's what i was getting from the video yeah i could see that um um it problem isn't whether or not you as a man or anybody else like star wars it was the problem that i was highlighting was how um you handled it how people were handling it uh not you obviously but how people were handling it after they didn't like it and some of the tirades and attacks that they went on afterwards yeah and i guess that's kind of one of my bigger issues with it is that equating that with everyone who dislikes star wars and i guess it's based off your experience because i know from my experience i've never i haven't come across a single person who um dislike the new you know movies and stuff because they dislike women in actual fact i don't even think i know a single man in my entire sphere who dislikes women like a true legitimate sexist you know in in air quotes and stuff as it's defined um it just seems like a complete caricature and that's why when you do see comments like this rise on the internet usually it's done as trolling because people like to trigger other people who get really offended easily by it um i guess it's um it's it's like an instance of i guess addressing a demographic that's so small and clearly wrong that it's not even really worth discussing it yeah like i wonder if anyone who hates tlj because they hate men well okay it'd be so negligible at that point oh it's like um i know it seems like i'm kind of walking on the fence but like what i'd what kind of came from that this video actually part of this whole discovery was me ending up leaving uh the network and uh was because you know um for you for you guys uh being skeptical about um some of the things that are being set out there and and and uh going over it and breaking it down and and obviously um thinking that uh social justice warriors have gone too far um well i just i got it i got it i got it i got it i got it i got it from that other side um with like the people that i worked with um you know when i hit i had there's a video that i made just like questioning whether or not kylo ren and rey was like a good healthy relationship for people to have and um i i got the this like the same type of like super negative reaction for and i got called an anti i got uh i got like basically it was like um mic one of my closest friends she didn't even know who i was like who are like i don't even know who you are anymore and it it i ended up that i couldn't end up working with her because it was just so impossible because she just hated me for the rest of the time and all i did was like i'm just asking the question um and uh like i'm i just like to hear people's opinions and i would yeah and and i kind of formulate my opinions through them but sometimes it it i can um it happens after our conversation right like we formulate our opinions after our conversation um and i'm always open to to being wrong we'll see that didn't kind of come across it in the video there's a part of the video where i think you said either you your opinion is invalid or you can't have an opinion um i can't remember exactly yeah it didn't matter yeah that's right yeah well and that was in regards to your opinions of how shitty uh l337 is doesn't really matter to the girl who's just like oh my god i love like this i love this character and it made me feel really good and i like this movie that's not what you said yeah no i i yeah of course uh i guess in that instance it would just be about conveying it clearer um i don't even think it's probably i don't think that was the framing at all from what i remember in the video it was an implication that um yeah disney don't give about your opinions it's your money that matters oh oh that that statement yeah that's right yeah sorry i was just kind of trying to describe the place i'm coming from but yeah no they don't really care what your opinions are about the money wait do you honestly believe that that disney don't care um that disney doesn't care about the opinions only about the money cool uh no they yeah that's right i they don't care whether they like hang on hang on i want to take this one could they make so are you aware that uh of reviewers being paid to create reviews are you aware that reviewers are paid to go out and watch the movies that disney are very concerned with getting influencers to be pro disney in order to make more money i.e their opinions matter because of the money yes yeah therefore if being an influencer let's just say pewdiepie watches the new star wars like tlj and hates it when you think disney will be very concerned that his opinion would be so low of their film uh some people's opinions matter right i think i think i think one of the the things because i'm mostly interested in like video games and um in the video game industry we often see instances of um public pressure that doesn't necessarily equate to monetary like monetary you know what influences the decisions of a company are often monetary it's like this is going to be better for sales is reputation feed into sales but there are a lot of instances where like i.e it's a it's a live service game so it's a game that's constantly getting updated and then the community's like hey this is bad this isn't working for us this uh there's problems with this and they'll listen to the feedback and then they'll implement those changes and even in instances where it's like uh like star wars battlefront 2 there was definitely a monetary factor there that game still sold pretty well though but it was definitely the backlash and the public you know public pushback against it and saying what they didn't like was important because if if it's just money then you don't necessarily know what you did wrong as a company like if star wars the last Jedi came out and it didn't do that well at the box office how would they know what was wrong with it unless they were listening to public opinion and feedback and solo didn't make money well solo is probably a good example of that because uh that film didn't make money and it seems like there's been a miss insert like solo isn't good but solo is better than uh like the last Jedi it's better than the last but it seems like that communication has been lost and it would be lost if it was only looking at the the monetary i think there are just enough instances of um companies listening to people even though there's definitely a monetary factor behind it but they do they definitely will listen to what people have to say just had one yesterday with youtube yeah yeah i guess like the the opinion of any one individual is probably not that important but the collective opinion i gotta imagine absolutely i gotta imagine that there are people at disney who are well aware of why people don't like the sequel trilogy i'm guessing your your whole point was to try and discourage people from being so vocal about hating disney because their opinion is not going to change anything but we were going with it um uh to the point of attacking people for liking well sure but what if what if that wasn't even their goal though what if they just wanted to express the damage that has been dealt to a once great franchise um yeah then right that then you wouldn't uh tag certain people in it or you're replying to other people's comments right it is kind of i guess how you would position your argument that goes both ways right other people who are pro tlj will often tag or quote or screenshot people who are making what they consider to be poor arguments or poor takes as in i hate this movie because it's terrible they'll be like yeah okay you don't understand film yeah i mean there are there are people who go out on twitter and say that if you talk about mary sews then you hate women yeah yeah um they would say that we don't understand how to follow up story narrative because we can't see ourselves in it what do you think about that but mary sews no like the idea that if someone's complaining about mary sews and stuff all right that you you have to be a you have to be a sexist because you've complained about mary sews well like would you say that that person is a woman hater or someone who hates women no but um in certain circles yeah they'd be labeled as such you wouldn't say that but you wouldn't know is it is the important thing right like you you wouldn't label them as a sexist for that um i probably like like i i go pretty hard at men in general um just in a like in a yeah like i go pretty hard in men in a in a in an entertainment piece would you go as hard as on women in the same regard um i should be obvious right i don't most people wouldn't even start that with an um most people would say of course i treat the genders equally do go ahead though uh well no it like it the again too i'm trying to put it in the context of uh when i made the video because um you know uh recent comedians like bill burr and dave chappelle have talked about it where um yeah like and again too like like there was this group of women who were calling out um everybody for a lot of different things and um a lot of causes for their own causes and uh i was more nervous um about a video that i released that was king um kylo ren and reyes relationship than i was about releasing a video about um how men are ruining star wars that's disheartening to hear honestly yeah that sucks well like i'm again too like you know people are like tearing me apart in the chat and everything um oh just for them i know i know i know i know but uh i just um i'm just like i'm just an open person and i'm actually genuinely willing like i know i present my arguments as an argument as such because like that's just how i was uh trained to do even though i know i use uh several logical fallacies uh in it but it's a level with you right no you made a tweet saying that if someone if a man complains about mary sues they 100% hate women and don't understand narrative and look dumb that's pretty admittedly not like the the tweets uh can sometimes be oh yeah there's plenty of context maybe you are angry maybe you're referring to a specific set of people maybe this is maybe it's a fake account you never actually said it who knows no it was it was i said it uh in regards to um all of the tweets i was seeing about uh everyone going off i think at that time everyone was going off about ray had complained about it ah no because that was when women complain it's so like i'm again i'm someone who's like i've made videos going over the whole mary sues thing about ray it's a serious problem with her character she's she's possibly the prime example but so like you know you've you've all been on twitter right when you're going on twitter and stuff right you're just seeing what you're seeing and so if you're seeing you and if you're uh following or being followed or being or having people like that are in a certain group uh that's all the content you're going to see and then we all have to be wary of well you have the ability to go out and see whatever content you want oh it's not it's not always so easy to break the algorithm so hang on so to give you an example right we've ran this the 53rd episode of efep we've had i believe one female guest and that's not for the lack of our desire to have female guests just the upon reaching out that's that's what we get back in return does this mean i should put out a tweet saying women don't like discussion uh no but uh like your guys's discussion um like you know it could be like it's really hurtful sometimes and uh sure and yeah and so we'll know but you know and and handle that i think oh people are saying anna as well anna's not been on an efep episode she's been on technically i guess she's been she will be she will be but yeah jay longboat's the only email that's been on a full episode um jay longboat's probably the most controversial person on efep as a whole she beats out possibly everybody and she uh just if she heard that women might not want to come on because it can be hurtful would uh probably surprise it you get where i'm getting at though right like you you would admit this this tweet is of poor phrasing at the very least i'm not trying to like string you up by your tweet i'm just like you you would agree right this is a pretty crappy tweet right um yeah you're like yeah it's all of all just you know it's uh i think it's uh i think it's not to people will say things on twitter that they don't that if you give them a little bit more time to like mull it over i don't get many of us here are of the opinion that twitter is a shithole yes oh i hate twitter we definitely get that all the time i'm glad i'm i'm kind of glad i'm banned from twitter because i only use it for a terrible place and snarking every once in a while which is not exactly helping but i usually counter snark and i think one of the key things to remember about twitter is it does not represent what you know the world or absolutely twitter is not real life um and because that seems to be where you got your impression that uh if a guy criticizes marysue the sexist um which is a that's a pretty you know extreme time to find yourself in not not entirely not at all it would oh not at all absolutely not how well how would you distinguish a man who says who is a sexist who says raise a marysue from someone who isn't a sexist who says raise a marysue how would you distinguish them and quantify them to see which group was larger than the other i i don't know how you could i don't know how you can tell the difference between a a comment versus a like uh someone's actual viewpoint or like a mistake like what about this how many legitimate full-blown sexists you know in real life that just hate women because they women could you can count one in your in your actual real life you've met them in real life i come across guys who um probably don't think they hate women but by the way they talk about them they do um but i don't like i don't like that's not my circle obviously so and i would assume that's a very small minority amongst all the men you know of course so if you were to just go off even your own anecdotal experience of men in general wouldn't that inform you somewhat that uh therefore most men who criticize rey as being a marysue would perhaps match the same dispersion of sexist men you meet in your own real life that that might be a very small minority that actually are that sexist that most people are criticizing rey uh criticizing because for legitimate reasons basically would you extrapolate the real world into the arguments being made on the internet like when i listen to your criticism it sounds the same as someone saying i don't like big hunky action heroes and if a woman says that i assume she hates men um like i would i think i'm gonna hear them develop it right like at least like if i just said i hate marysues or something you go why like because they're all women like whoa that's clearly a female statement but if i said because they often never have to work for anything and i prefer my characters earning their victory that has nothing to do with sex right old gen well would you say that there are legitimate reasons why people would say that rey is a marysue of all the arguments you've heard would you oh yeah like you can see why people can get hot about it is because they can see um the points and if you do know about characters and storytelling see like it's not if you look at the definition of a marysue you do have to uh it does require further explanation sometimes right um but you could also argue that luke got his powers very quickly as well right so i think we don't we i know i know the time they they screw up everything with the timeline in the last jedi right the the short timeline kind of ruins the narrative because it doesn't make there's anyway beyond there's there's no you could yeah other than other than where the movie positions the rest of the film you there are a lot there's a lot that you could just leave out of the star wars narrative and it would have no impact unfortunately doesn't yeah i like i don't really think it fits in a trilogy do you think that if luke was a marysue that would mean she isn't was a marysue my point being that just because if luke was does that change the fact that ray is uh no no but i don't think that he is thought of as one and so just in the same way that you can point to the marysue archetype as a reason um to say that she is you could point at a similar character like luke to point how she isn't i imagine that people use it as a shorthand for trying to bring a several set of criticisms on board quickly to translate the idea because when someone says it to you i imagine you think like oh so they're powerful slash can solve problems they're liked by a lot of people they're an author insert these things will probably be applicable probably not all and probably to varying degrees but that's all it's for and so that's what i mean by you ask them to develop what they're saying to figure out if they're sexist or not i honestly in my time on the internet i really don't know many people who hate women because women are just half the population they're just everywhere you know it's just i i don't know when it's women but like nothing like like like in the same way that there's this hatred for a lot of different groups in a in a meme format but like genuinely convincing me that someone hates a woman and they can't enjoy star wars for it is confusing to me i don't know what they are enjoying in star wars in the first place considering leia was a thing oh just on a side note i just want to add in luke isn't a mary sue or gary stew uh at all um and i think that can be argued very strongly uh to establish that that would take us down a different several all four of us here would would disagree with you vehemently that luke is a mary sue uh yeah i don't think he is either right i'm i but i using a similar character that uh he does have a similar archetype obviously like he does have the hero's journey and they um attempted his journey uh who does she's the protagonist but i don't think she has a hero's journey i mean you said it i was i'm curious if that just slipped out or if you really well i actually i actually has much of a hero i kind of think um kylo ren more has the hero's journey well is interesting you said that right because a lot of people seems to be on kylo ren's side when it comes to like do they want to be the protagonist in this series it's like that's really interesting isn't it yeah i would say if i like really had to like pick one of them it probably like it kind of almost started off as finn but the main character of the story like shifted halfway through uh right uh the narrative again the story um yeah go ahead i was just gonna say do you think it makes you a better person to enjoy media rather than being pissed off by it let's say um okay so like as like if we take the extremes like if someone just likes everything they watch are they better than someone who lie me and you watch a film um i come away going that was shit i fucking hated that you were like oh i enjoyed it are you the better person oh no if you like but every move um are you finding another one of my tweets to tear me apart against what you said this at the end of the video yeah you said let's all be better people and just enjoy it again to and and uh i haven't watched that video um but again i i just watched yeah i know like a year ago yeah it's old it's all i i don't like i get it and i watch parts i watch i watch parts of your other stuff that you had said but you know you can only handle so much of uh boy talk it can be rough i i get it and again i think um it shows good quality are you willing to talk about it absolutely um yeah all i'm gonna say is it's like i expect you to say that you don't actually believe that statement i do not know what possessed you to say that in your video because again again it was all coming from the place of um attacking people online for liking star wars and like and i i i know that uh it may not have uh got across enough um but uh that was really the place i was coming for because that's what i was inundated by when yeah when you say attacking like because i know there was a big you know twitter storm and everything of people criticizing the last Jedi and uh saying it's crap and everything like that i don't you know translate that as personal attacks it's just people voicing how much they disliked it and even if they are particularly yeah say it's like you know Rey is a this and that or roses of this and that and stuff and that's just an outlet to express how deeply they disliked these the depiction of these characters in the movies that's very different to being overtly sexist or attacking people and things but it seems like so many people interpret that as people are attacking and they're bullying and stuff and it's like they're sharing an honest opinion would agree with you on in that framework but again my experience with that framework was um i like childish Gambino uh Donald Glover um and if i was to say uh share a picture of the uh child the uh lando Calrissian Funko Pop that i got um no but right if right if if just carry on carry on your fight well no but like so i just like something i i like the musician i love his music uh in the background of the agency i have like uh his vinyl uh at the uh at the back it's behind me um i just it's just stuff on display that i like um and i and i and i got you know made fun of for it a bunch um and so these people are going on twitter saying something they like and uh then the replies in it or the comments are like oh you're a dumb whore for liking that and but it is like that i don't get i know like i don't i didn't experience that type of talk about star wars but when i would watch uh colleagues of mine who were women uh talk about star wars that was the replies they get and uh yeah and it kind of exposed me to this like this this way they're treated so to try maybe try and provide like a scenario here like i've got a tywin figurine um my parents picked it up because they like game of thrones too and they were like oh you like tywin there you go like i don't collect these things but i was just like yeah yeah cool thank you appreciate the gift wherever and i put it on twitter because like hey tywin figurine if i had someone say man that is awesome and it's cool that you you got a gift of something that you actually like have a sort of investment in and um you know it's a nice nice kept figuring well made so that's that's great cool stuff and then i get another one that says um i'm really disappointed that you would buy plastic tat that means fucking nothing when it's just the show is what's meaningful that the message the idea is why are you buying this crap when all it's gonna do is encourage the industry and and just take space that you're not even going to use like oh is it really so you can just look over there and go oh that's nice is it on me to be like well the first comment was from a better person hmm you like just genuine question do you think that the second person was kind of being a bad person or do you think that they were just expressing their perspective that they probably have a lot of reasons to be informed by maybe they could have an argument with you what i'm trying to imply here is just the negativity but but so but what you're doing though is taking like a nicer situation and applying it to well i'm giving the person reason right as opposed to saying you're a dumb hole but like yeah because the three of us before all of us we we get shit all the time on the internet for not liking it like people tell us all the time that we hate women we hate minorities we hate this we hate that we're terrible people we get told that we're like garbage people just because we don't like it and we just laugh at that shit because it's hilarious like if you're if you're you take any position on the internet then people are just gonna hate you for it that goes for basically everything yeah so the idea that this is exclusive to women or that women supposedly get it way rougher is just no this is stuff we all have to deal with that's just the internet well and right and i essentially was doing the same thing making this video right like i was creating an inflammatory comment for for interest draw and but for reference right so like if me and rags post a picture each of a figuring we have and someone responds dumb hole we laugh at it because there's nothing there there's no through like how could we be unintelligent and like pouring ourselves out when it's like there's there's so little connection to that and so in the same way your video like we watch it we we'd laugh at a lot of the statements because we don't know how you got there um and so in a in a way you're becoming the very people you bought to destroy um yeah i would there's yeah there would be a bit of that in there for sure yeah see that uh have you i'm interested oh sorry i was just gonna say quickly have you met any women who hate tlj i hadn't really thought about that um i don't know uh i guess i don't know i don't think so i certainly know of more like in my direct sphere i know more girls who dislike star wars generally because it doesn't appeal to them and therefore they would like sorry dislike last jedi probably equally as much or probably more if they even bothered to watch it um then men so i'm assuming there's that would be somewhat paralleled by you that you know women that just don't like star wars in general um well you know i i think when the force awakens came out i at least for me um noticed more women talking about star wars that was the one thing i had noticed but i think it could probably more equates to just a younger generation than women in general right like i don't think it was necessarily a woman movement i think it was just young people uh yeah i don't know i i don't really think about it i like it's funny to make a video like that i don't really try to like think about it always in like that type of context i guess well i mean i would encourage you to always try and follow it the logic through of any statement just to make sure you're being consistent and perhaps not make sweeping statements about men like you might want to take it easy or right sure but yeah but you know again too the same could be said about uh individuals that you see on youtube the same could be what do you mean you take it easy on right like you right like you guys went pretty hard uh at me and and it's all in fun and entertainment essentially yeah on on an individual based on things that they said specifically not on a group extrapolated from data that we made our judgments of your statement specifically we didn't say because of your statements men suck yeah i mean i i personally you know always take issue and resent comments saying that because i dislike star wars i hate women i'm like what i know you have to be grossly offended by such a statement you know it's uh people are not going to be very receptive to judgments of their character based on what immutable character is doing that i might do with them yeah it's um it's uh it's it's not it's not particularly nice um and because if we're talking about i guess it's like throwing stones like you threw the first stone with the title of your video i know a hundred percent yeah and uh my main issue is with the statement uh because i've said multiple times i don't know you personally and honestly just from our interaction now you seem like a very pleasant chap i'm sure we could have had fun playing dnd and all that and because i have heaps of friends that i disagree with heaps and stuff and so my my kind of you know issue are with your certain opinions you've shared statements you've made and things of course uh yeah i yeah i was saying and very inflammatory um aggressive accusatory uh and one-sided arguments some that you would say are incorrect from your perspective now um some yeah like well like obviously like obviously like the holy um to make a statement and i used logical fallacies to try to prove a point oh well good on you for admitting that at least yeah yeah like we all use logical fallacies it's not yeah i mean when you say something wrong you just say well i goofed up that was wrong i was stupid i'm glad i know better now and it shows good quality of character if you can just say yeah i was really wrong the main thing i guess was uh because of the main the main issue that was with the video was more of like the broad sweeping statements i guess about like it's um it's just it's it doesn't feel nice um to have a have a perspective on a film and then sort of and then have it inferred i guess to like a person's judgment of character and like important things like important things like whether or not they're prejudiced or anything like that it's just kind of like a no it's um the thing is is again i think it's just like there probably are like a handful of people who may well fall into the category of just taking umbridge with the film based on the the gender and the race of characters in it but there's such a small portion of the of the population that i'm not even sure it would be worthwhile like to cover that if you find one pointed out to me because i've never met anyone who unironically actually holds that position and the thing is like even even if they did right even if they did um it doesn't necessarily have anything to do with whether or not their criticisms of the film are valid or not like the intention shouldn't be as important i think i think that was the main pitfall of the video was you're a bit too caught up on intense rather than um i guess what what they were saying or what they were trying to get across or their issues with the film yeah someone could legit hate women but they could still have valid points about the they just wouldn't have valid points about that perspective no i i i'll start again no it's all good i i hear what i hear can i hear what you're coming from and i hear what you're saying um my experience with the last jet i was a weird one too in the sense like when i was watching it uh i had thought i'm like oh do i do i not like star wars anymore that's like why did i think why did that thought pop up in my head watching it and i was kind of like oh and everyone around me was like oh sweet you know like everyone's jacked up on opening night adrenaline um and uh yeah and and and then i had to watch it again and i had to watch the documentary and i had to watch the commentary before i actually really liked the movie um and that's never a good sign of a watching those things made me even more like blown away by all of the lost potential yeah well like i just fell in love with the set pieces and um i because when actually when the when the film first came out too i have a like i talk about when it first came out and how pissed off i was about how literally all the plots uh divide like all the plot devices from the previous story were literally thrown out um oh that was kind of a slap in your face because star wars is so much about the plot devices uh and um yeah i i it uh it took me a while before i could enjoy it and then but i yeah i do kind of enjoy it now i don't you know but it's like i don't totally hate jar jar anymore either so would you like to speak to a woman who hates the film um well it yeah like why wouldn't i want to talk i'm just like chat a raving about how that star wars girl is in in the chat and i guess they want to have you two meet i don't i don't think they'll get what they're looking for but the idea is that i think there's an assumption that people who are ripping into the film are the people that you look at as being almost unreasonable and that the women you speak to are all very positive about the film and therefore you conclude that men ruining star wars and women are keeping it going and what chat want i think is to have ana come in as and yeah and her destroy my arguments but i'm yeah i'm i'm super on the same page so i mean yeah like i'm not trying to be condescending whatever we are aware of some women do not like that film for very extended and explained reasons that all relate to star wars specifically i.e. i would never want it if i would never want it to be construed that i like i that i would think you know what i mean like it's i know that i am saying men are ruining star wars in the video but i don't like outside of that which i know is a huge brush to paint with i'm not i don't think that like all women love like like everyone's everyone's unique individual i know i'm i understand what i was doing with my title yeah i think i think i think the gender oriented lens of the of the title in the video itself was what threw you off really um yeah that was but that was the goal that was there's also a couple of other things i was wanting to ask you about um if you guys are fine for me jumping to a different subject of the video well i was gonna say real quick then was the the the idea that men are ruining star wars her argument to you would be that tlj is ruined star wars and would you think that that's an almost an impossibility or i think that could be valid i think over saturation ruined star wars like i think they they totally missed the point that what we loved most about star wars was anticipating the next one and talking about the lore and breaking it all down not for me no i don't know about that she would probably argue you don't think that you don't think that adds added to the hysteria and excitement of not i mean if it's good give me as much of it as you can yeah i would even see you get away with it yeah that's true and yeah i think she would argue like the damage to the characters the lore even just the plot within the film and the the lack of coherency is what damages itself and its franchise that's a part of you think that you could be convinced by that or do you think that that's a bit hyperbolic um well it just stands out that movie stands out so separate from a lot of other star wars films that yeah you could that's for certain you could you could obviously um yeah see that for sure but i could see why people love it like you know what i mean like i think that difference is why a lot of people do love it the way they love it so well this kind of goes into one of my questions and i'm not sure you still want to get us stars go on more um well i don't want to like waste your time or anything i don't want to have it brought on just to have dale here be like that's fair like if she says like you know uh so i was just gonna say you could go ahead with uh what you've got to go to move on oh well this should be a brief one i would hope is your comments about space wizards that was just kind of a flippant remark that wasn't really serious i hope it's actually uh i think it's a it's a reference to um like a uh i can't like i don't know what the references to anymore right but it's become a meme in my mind that it you know it just making fun of like it's about space wizards what do you think that means um at star wars is about space wizards sure what does it imply does it imply that it's not to be taken that seriously um that it uh that uh well it's it's kind of it's almost on tondra in the sense of that it's um uh it it's it's dry from fantasy elements you know like they are named knights and it's you know medieval or samurai's in space um it's so it's part that and then part that is serious like i love star wars a lot and i've loved it for a really long time and you know but it you know at the same time like well the context in which you use in the video is that because it has space wizards in it there's no point in taking it seriously or having valid criticism against it because what was implied by that is that well it's silly from the get go so why even bother trying to argue about it well yeah like i think you know when you especially talked about like some of the plot holes um that they made a whole entire movie to explain the plot plot hole of the death star um you know like a plot hole the convenience the best okay right but yeah but you know it was commonly joked as is a plot hole yeah i've called it a plot hole in the past um but so yeah sorry what what's your point here um is that uh yeah i don't know i've lost my point i guess yeah i i guess because like that's why i was hoping it was just a flippant kind of statement because just because something has you know a fantastical element as we were saying you know kind of um uh criticism and review of your video doesn't undermine any serious validity it might hold or serious themes or the fact that older people can't enjoy it or anything like i i hate that statement when people try and use that as a means to dismiss an argument because yeah it means nothing of course like i had an entire youtube channel two years of my life dedicated to just talking about star wars marvel pixar like i obviously uh feel the same way feel very passionate about star wars i was you know known as a the star wars guy and um i you read the comics and i've read the book lots of the books obviously who could read all of the books um yeah like i'm i'm deep into star wars and it's super important to me you know um taking my kids to see star wars so i can create little clones of myself as like one of my favorite things to do it sounds like it sounds like that type of statement then would offend even someone like you what why do you love it it's just about space wizards right yeah like you know you know sometimes uh being subversive and uh how is that being subversive it's like i have a sarcastic nature um so and i tend to poke fun at myself a bit too which is why i probably seem like such a beta um but really at the end of the day i'm just uh i don't know i just i'm trying not to take myself so seriously because i look myself i wouldn't have been able to come on come on here and uh talk to you guys and that's really cool of you and i do like again i think that's great um yeah because that statement just seems to attack yourself and uh yeah yeah i mean i think it's kind of like i'm i'm like i'm in on the joke i guess essentially like i'm in on because the only way that we ever see the movie just a movie about space wizards is a way to devalue any kind of criticism of it and like what it's like so seriously criticism made for it the idea that oh you found a kind of system with it yeah so but it's just a space wizard movie meant for children or whatever so yeah and i criticism that's the only yeah we ever see it framed there's a lot of things that are happening out there that are um upsetting a lot of people right with how whatever their take is and um we all have a crazy platform to to share our opinions and so now we're all um getting upset about everybody's takes and opinions well just disagreeing i mean i'm not really somewhat because i think it's uh honestly a disingenuous way to try and address someone's opinion or criticism and stuff and just struck me as odd because it's the same thing that would be applied to you and i don't think you would appreciate someone trying to dismiss your views or passion or love for Star Wars because it has space wizards in it when in actual fact space wizards are awesome but yeah we all want to be a space wizard um i know and again too i i was i i grew up during the prequels right so i had a i had to deal with it in real life uh with like 40-year-old dudes what i'm sorry what what is the context of that you actually had to debate as a child against 40-year-old dudes about whether or not the prequels were any good yeah like you're at a comic book store you're at like you know you're building computers like you know like you're just hanging out with people at a time and uh yeah they you know you you come back from attack of the clones or whatever you're all stoked on it and they're like those terrible you're an idiot like Bulba Fett's the greatest and Django Fett's an idiot or whatever you know and you're like you just enjoyed your experience and you're just um you know trying now trying to defend yourself i remember having i guess uh maybe maybe that might be the influence for like the uh the i guess the perception of the way that criticism is directed because for us it's not about like uh it's it's more like it's trying to be more focused on the the content itself rather than i guess making character judgments and like whether or not that like because because the whole the whole camp of the the efat thing is like trying to determine objective quality for like films stories and stuff and and the idea being that um removal biases objective qualities uh yeah separate from like personal so ie venom is bad like it's a bad movie but i like it and i'm aware that it's bad but i still like it um whereas if somebody were to i think a good example would be john wick too i love john wick too and then mollus like talking about how it's no good and then that starts to and that starts to like yeah and so and so then that influences me into like liking john wick too less i still like it but it's not like that's mollus fault like i decided to dislike the movie more because it became a problem for me um and so so when it comes to discussing the film the goal is not to change the way that people feel about it because what people feel is up to them and it's not like you know it's not up for anybody to decide how you feel about a film but if it if it results in the opinion of the film decreasing then that that's just what happened you know it's it's different to the example you had where it seemed like people were just being downright mean spirited yeah like and and you know and so i i took that lens and saw what was happening to other people who were close to me right and um and uh you know in a vacuum yeah like it was probably just an instance of um i guess uh i but like it's just it's for for me uh i always handled videos as like exploratory right um i was making a video i realized i thought something different by the end and then i would edit this video and be like i don't agree with any of this anymore you know like or or or what have you were uh you have a guest on and they totally change your opinion about something or you listen to you know skeptics guide to the universe and you're like oh geez organic food's been bullshit the whole time like you know like stuff like that so you know i'm just trying i just uh i'm always trying to explore and grow from other people's experiences and at that time i was growing through making videos um and uh my opinion and and at that time when i made that video that was an opinion i had and um i i don't uh i don't think i would uh go no i wouldn't um i don't agree with everything i was watching and uh yeah but it was you know part of why i came in came what would you disagree with in particular um good i think that i could still i think i could have still achieved what i was trying to do like like so creatively i still could have um i like i still could be inflammatory and i could still say everything that i wanted to say um i'm interested on what that would be now like what's your current views do you still feel men are trying to ruin star wars and that if we criticize the movie we're trying to rob people from enjoying it and uh those kind of things no once i stepped away um um which was about a year ago it was around that time um a i you know after muting and and removing people and stuff you kind of uh get out of it i don't want to say that this doesn't mean that it still didn't happen to them and like a lot of people have been made to feel very shitty about their enjoyment for star wars um and i do think that's really important for us to put in context like there are always going to be yes there's always going to be examples of goodness and badness but there are people out there who have experienced a lot of badness at times uh and it has surrounded about just their enjoyment over star wars um but did all this uh did all this spawn for me just asking what you disagreed with that we said i'm curious what we like what we see what what it what we said in our our response that you would disagree with what you said that you'd still you know hold firm to or do you think we made any criticism in terms of you know something that you think's just just wrong because we i'd like to hear that like the general principle like the whole basis of the argument is completely wrong right like what is the basis of the argument aren't ruining star wars oh you mean the basis of your video is uh like the the men are the men are ruining star wars one is wrong oh so right so we were incorrect by oh i'm not saying that you're incorrect no no he's talking about his video right but is there anything that you did disagree with that we made that you think is an illegitimate point or one that you would refute is there anything we'd be interested interesting to dive into that wouldn't yeah like again i didn't watch everything you said uh just because again a lot of it was personal attacks on me um but i would say the personal attacks were minority i know it can seem like that because well i wasn't that many we were we were firing back not you know we weren't the first to shoot across the bow either oh i wasn't having like a one-on-one conversation with you right like it's not there's you don't have to yeah right generalization normally are men so if you say the a generalization against men you hit him yeah ain't gotta be a 1v1 i'm not sure we could get into the minutia because i know there's an argument you had about if star wars is uh making a statement about racism and i know the original trilogies i i don't feel that's the case but um yeah are you gonna say something rags what was anything in the video you disagreed with that we made that was point-wise i honestly i don't i don't know the video well enough anymore to answer that one for you fair enough all right i'd like i again like i think you can take the the w on the entire concept of the video was is not right well right like like the the men ruining star wars like that's obviously uh true um you know you don't feel weird about that like the idea that you make a statement purely to get people to listen to you and it's um it wasn't it's not it again it was it's hard to having a debate with four people um and it was i i know like again for me too like there is i know a lot of people like it like i don't know you probably like the video looks like you know trash or whatever right but uh there was like a like there's an artistic side of myself that uh you're trying to express um you know though a lot of the times you know when you're doing these types of things you have your opinions um but you know they can be they're like amped up which you say that opinions could be wrong of course opinions are usually wrong all right wait because well i don't know i've usually wrong really usually tracks are right opinions are always always what always objective being wrong right like an opinion can always be subject to being wrong they're subject to being wrong you said they're usually wrong that's interesting i never heard that do do explore i'm interested in that um yeah i don't know i think opinions kind of can change with the wind a bit um sure they can but you said they're usually wrong so like most opinions out there are incorrect maybe it's just something that you misspoke i'm not sure i think it gets interesting you qualified it though dale you said you changed that to saying opinions can be subject to being wrong which i think we all agree with um yeah oh yeah absolutely yeah i just i now i yeah you're just dies you know deconstructing my like yeah you're just holding me to the things i'm saying i understand what you're doing um so you know i guess i'm curious you said some curious that's all but yeah like again i come from the place again it comes from the place like i know you it's your backup or like oh seriously you're saying all my opinions are wrong it's more of it's more of me projecting uh society right where i'm taking my experiences where i'm open to all my opinions kind of being wrong um and uh and then kind of projecting that and as like a almost like a catch all for myself to be like you know my opinion anyway i respect that year you know willing to admit that some of the things you said were grossly inaccurate and stuff and and good on you for for doing so right i am um yeah most people don't uh most people don't show up yeah well i just um i thought you guys were uh being pretty funny and uh yeah i was just watching Clue um with uh uh with the family and uh it was kind of wrapping up and i just that's all on twitter that um you guys were talking about it and i i'd know nothing about the show and uh i thought i'd just come on and chat about it but um well let's go what do you um out of curiosity what do you think episode nine will be about or do you have any sort of any observations that you might make or well what's your i guess what's your attitude or what's your opinion on the upcoming episode nine think it'll be good bad could can't even hazard a guess um well i like force awakens uh with jj abram directing it because i kind of feel like it has a lot of those quote unquote star wars moments in it so it's a bit of again a catch all kind of film but i also enjoyed the way it was shot um so i'm excited to see star wars go more back to the style of the force awakens um and uh yeah you know they're probably going to lean pretty heavy on kylo and ray unfortunately that means characters like fin are going to take a back seat again um and hopefully they have a better storyline for him and uh yeah i don't know there's going to be super jedi that's you know because i i think that they're she's going to be able to channel the dark side and uh do both like how luke was able to do the force choke and uh we'll have a bit of like a super jedi battle hopefully hey guys i'm gonna have to get going um unfortunately my time is running out that's okay man you've been out for uh nearly seven hours oh it's been a lot of fun though and i can't wait to do it again all well do you want to quickly give your channel a good old plugaroo well if any of you guys watching like swords and how they are adapted into pop culture and also how they use historically not just swords just really how medieval history is adapted into pop culture and other things and how it was really like and all that stuff as well as uh you know fantasy discussions and science fiction and things yeah go go over and check out shatter versity or you could even check out my novel shadow of the conqueror dad wrote a novel i did i'm just gonna share that again and um it's available print ebook uh and also audiobook narrated by michael kramer and kate redding they awesome indeed always wonderful to have you yeah he's he's quite good yeah thanks for coming on again and we'll have to have you back for that opinions video yeah all right that was gonna be cool all right thanks fellas i'll see you around you guys nice meeting you yeah yeah but yeah uh dale is there anything else you'd like to uh talk about we are open books yeah i think well i this it seems like uh the chat annoyed that you guys were being so soft on me um but that was uh you know you guys uh held me to the coals and i um and i you know you probably could have been harsher but uh no there's a good conversation well i mean you're here that's that's like the important thing i'll probably be thinking about it for weeks you've achieved more than the majority of people we have a criticize well i i uh i'm nothing but a people pleaser i guess no um obviously not uh yeah no it's true yeah it's uh i i i i do i feel bad uh if i like i feel bad if i made any um knew i was going to make some men feel bad about that um and i watch this man because we're i'm singling them out oh i i would have a all right oh sure yeah i was gonna say we've got we've got super chats to read they're all very context specific so i'm happy to let you uh well escape if you know of course no i that's great yeah i'm done thanks for having me on and uh yeah i i hope um i hope uh i hope uh anyone uh it's feelings too badly and yeah thanks um oh you'll have to try more harder than that for us it's all good thanks for coming on i appreciate it thank you i catch it too soon and they were three and there were three um right so that brief interlude we could now carry on with the super chats it's like a brief interlude i think it was i think it was like an hour yeah this is what i mean it's like like specific sections of this podcast are sometimes longer than like just regular podcast it's like oh we're quickly gonna do x and it's like uh the size of one and a half normal podcast okay um but yeah this is we're coming up to seven hours this is another one of them chunky and never know what's gonna happen e-faps um seems like that's gonna become the norm soon it just seems to like it grows on its own it goes in many directions terrifying in its own way um but you know chat judging from chats reactions to all of that i think they were frustrated that he wasn't more um he's very non-committal very dodgy very dodgy wouldn't answer questions very precisely or clearly very skittery on his toes um i think i think he was thinking about it more i think i think so too the main explanation it was sort of like mulling over it and i guess trying to figure out where exactly he falls on the on those particular things because the video is a year and a half old but at the same time is there's probably some things in there that you'd still like agree with and i guess it's like trying to mull over it and figure out yeah like i actually think he is so disconnected from that video that he made that it's almost like one of us having to defend that video as if we had made it you know what i mean like i don't think he actually agrees with most of what he said in that video i don't think many people would and that he was probably just it came from a place of a lot of negative influence from what he would perceive as essentially just men because like it sounded a lot of his responses sounded like the kind of things we might end up being like we should be like i don't that's not like that's just the right position i could defend because most people that was that was why it was um all those questions were coming up right it was but yeah you know he came on and um he was he was civil and i want i want us to be appreciative of that rather than well i mean you should be i mean like like joseph anderson won't come on because you called them massive ones it's like now you can't can't talk to them about stuff what i notice is that when when we seem to bring people on they really like won't stand up for their video they're really a lot of people think that the angle of it being what in quote three to five on one is is to do with this and i know for a fact that if me and rags was sent into a lion's den of five people saying that tlj was amazing wouldn't catch us folding yeah man it's like that's the thing is like i'd still have i'd have ideas to defend i would have information that i could put out like i like i wouldn't just be let go you know now that now i'm being asked about it now that they're asking me really actually rather simple questions i'm just gonna not say anything or avoid the question or not present my surely you had like a statement to make and you're gonna make that statement until it's proved wrong you know as i wish people were more um this is what i believe here is why i believe it and i think the if you compare these two scenarios right like five people love tlj and you simply do not like it you don't really have any strong positions you just don't like it you have all of them being like but it's so good it's so awesome here's the thing that's awesome here's the thing and you just said they've been like okay yeah fine fine like a cool but like a lot of our references are literally cognitive dissonance for ourselves we're like this doesn't make sense and so we present it to them what can they do other than go it is all about the themes but yeah it doesn't matter because that's a tower because this other thing is oh it's not about making sense or it's about space wizards or yeah so the thing is this um i think when you commit you're exposing yourself to direct criticism like when you commit to that point ambiguity well it's it's exactly right it's like if you talk about a video game and you say you know like this this mechanic doesn't work well and then someone says um that mechanic's not in the game or like oh that you you've got something wrong there it's like cool you've now exposed yourself to criticism that's just valid it's not arguable it's not iffy it's not an opinion it's valid and that makes you look bad sort of so it's like you kind of you when you commit to a position you're just exposing yourself to real criticism like really just an undebatable criticism it's the idea of a hot take by the way that kind of bothers me it's like the idea that you've guessed a position and you're hoping it's going to be the one that turns out to be right that's almost what people seem to look at as hot takes it's like because yeah yeah because like when they have them in videos they're like this is my hot take and it's the game of thrones is really bad because of uh the fact that it can send poor messages about communism or some stupid thing like that like that's my hot take and years from now we all agree this like actually yeah there's loads of information supports there's a sort of analysis like that hot take was on point even though it was more constructed from just how they felt about it or something i'm just like why have hot takes in the first place i mean there were some interesting things that were almost instantly back down for the whole um opinions are usually wrong i'm like whoa that's interest i haven't heard that before i would like to hear how he really got there right he was like well facts are always right opinions it was like are always wrong i think it's um i think because i can see i can see where you go there like okay facts are normally right so if your opinion is the same as the fact then i suppose that just by proxy it's correct like if you say i think the sun is a star it's like yeah all right fine i think like most times people's opinions about things are wrong like that is an interesting kind i i i that that is interesting isn't it yeah like it tells me how you arrived at that and part of the reason why we couldn't even pursue that is because we'd have to go through with him exactly what he means by opinion because opinion changes for every fucking person's perspective of the actual definition right yeah yeah of course because like uh he might have been the kind of person that says opinion is almost synonymous with feeling and a feeling i that was interesting the idea that like your feeling can change and therefore it would then be decided that the previous one is now wrong i don't know if that would have been right take it or not that's the only time to go through all of that no um and yeah i was gonna say the the other variable i think is worth considering is that some people are not saying it applies to him although it doesn't apply to me and rags or fringy but uh there's confidence levels in in what you could call public speaking as well as debate um yep you can have someone who's excellent at writing an argument in a script and then in person they're like i mean i would i think i was gonna ask him at one point but i forgot if he had scripted that video i don't i don't think it was scripted i i just got that impression because i think if you but this is the thing i was about to say if it was scripted it would have had a better structure but i mean there are videos that are scripted but have absolutely a red destruction still some people just write stuff and then say that's my script and then they speak it up hold on um i just saw somebody say fringy care to comment and how you and moeller screwed up the size of the galaxy with captain marble i did not screw that up moeller screwed that up he got it wrong it wasn't me wow that's amazing yes you really don't remember me and you looking into it yes no we did but you you misquoted like we did look into it but then we agreed on the 500 and you're still not off the hook because you watched the video 500 no hold on be specific what are you talking about in this instance yeah no what which part remind me like what so i said that there were 500 planets in the galaxy 500 sun so i no but but i obviously didn't agree with that i must have missed it we found like a website or something how the how in my comment section found it they found the website that we got the they said that like what we'd looked at was um i bought a portion by the way guys i was i was i was i was joking with the throng him onto the bus it was a joke yeah i was gonna say like the thing with that what i find fascinating is that um i had someone on twitter say that um if you get that wrong like why would i watch any of your videos and i was like well i don't know it was a mistake and they were like yeah but if you get basic things like that wrong why would i ever watch any of your videos i was like what should we just say no yeah i don't know how unfortunately how that got through yeah it went through rags we did proof watch it and uh for tear rags shut the fuck up we're trying to speak wait yeah no now now i've got it right because i think somebody i think people were criticizing i'm mixing it up with two things because there were two criticisms one was the the planet's one or the the star systems one the other one was the size of the solar system where it seemed like no they didn't understand yeah people don't understand that there's two there's many ways you can define what makes the solar system that we went with everything the sun has influence on yeah which is the what cloud that's the law that's the law of universal gravitation really fair most people are like it's all the planets and stuff in it but the point is that even with both of your fuck up um doesn't that actually make the point of the film worse that's the whole problem with this they're like even worse people said you were wrong which makes the movie even worse because of it like you accidentally you accidentally gave the film more credit than it deserves yeah it was bad right it's bad if it's 500 suns but if it's more like if it's significantly more to a to a certain degree well it is significantly more it's a hundred billion so like there you go so like the idea that like i was trying to explain that to travel through one galaxy which by the way yeah people either do or do not consider the alt cloud and they said we were wrong for considering it which is not true it's not defined as wrong to consider that in the entire solar system like the milky way is a hundred thousand light years and the the issue is that whether where you define the boundary is it doesn't matter because the nearest star is 4.2 light years away so regardless of that she's still going to take 4.2 years to get to the nearest star yeah it's absolutely insane and people are like we got that wrong it's like yes and it's it's still but isn't that funny that there's a fact that's wrong in the video it's almost like there is such a thing as objective standards yeah my opinion on how many stars there are in the galaxy was fucking wrong and it happened because i either misread a quote or i got a quote that meant something that i didn't think it meant but yes no there are a hundred billion stars in the in the milky way and i'm sorry i didn't catch that i go through a lot of proof reading processes and i'm surprised we didn't catch that yeah like this thing i'm surprised we didn't catch that like six of my friends watched it i watched it and i watched it a couple of times obviously because of the editing process and for some reason it slipped me until and i i found it myself when i was watching on the day i released i was like 500 sons that can't be right well maybe next time you make a video and you'll be grass ties and give it the little one's over and let you know about all your celestial flaws but fun fun regardless um but those are the ones that people always try and reference for how i don't do my research i'm always like jeez christ like i can make one mistake shorter we did a lot of research for that video um for those of you who don't know i was in several calls with wallo while he was working on that video that's why you've got credit at the end of the video it just kept getting worse and worse and worse every single time we started you call it's like hey so this thing in the movie what the f**k oh that movie so bad yeah that's that's why by the way rags because you did mention like doc straight just probably object to the worst like do you really think it's objectively worse than captain marvel yeah because i would say that captain marvel marvel marvel i would still say that captain captain marvel still like sort of makes sense but no it doesn't i mean if you if you try to i'd say it's it's less nonsensical than dr stranger because dr stranger just flat out boom it just random magic but the time stone fight isn't a problem it's depends on what the system is but captain marvel conversely is boom space powers you know you can still transpose that argument because i just just think about the the scene where she gets blasted off the ship she's falling to the ground and she's like i'm gonna fly now how do you even know that that's something you could do like that's that's the same thing about magic and all the weird really because they train because they have books about it time machine like the the powers working inconsistently here and there like in the final fight when kicilius and his goons are being selectively moved back in time yeah that's that's right that's bad that's one element but you know that that comes after learning that they have a whole series of people who have been training to use this they have tools in this regard they have books upon books about all of it like that's a way better system than captain marvel just being like i was hit by goo now i can do all these things okay and well she is a pilot so when she got hit by the goo she became the plane in her mind i guess i guess the logic would be that it was a light space it was like a light speed engine so it can go but even the light speed engine it's like going at light speed because because i think one of the really pedantic points we got on with the uh with her flying at light speed next to the ship it's like if you if your trajectory is off by like one centimeter you're going to end up hundred the other side of the galaxy yeah and how do they fight each other again next time we watch dr strange we'll i would like to go through and look at the way that powers and magic and all that stuff works because i remember when we watched it we were we were all just like man well it's just still the protagonist is intact the plot is intact yeah i i definitely like dr strange way more than captain marvel like i don't know like ability i just mean the character itself yeah even the character i i think i want more dr strange i don't want to see dan kraber whatever name is ever again carol danvers is her name i don't ever want to see carol danvers ever again but i do and i'm legit excited for the next dr strange but you still maintain that it's objectively of poor writing quality than captain marvel poor writing quality oh i don't know i mean and remember there's other bad ones too like black pants that we don't need to reference like this captain marvel has to be the worst right for any like oh yeah it is the worst maybe i don't know they're both terrible so i think we need to watch them back i want to see them again i want to see them again but you like i made a two-hour video of all the problems dr strange i know you haven't made a two-hour video about dr strange because i wouldn't be able to there's not that many problems there's a lot of problems there's not that many problems well i mean in Italy because remember when we were watching dr strange and we got up to because i i distinctly remember like because you hadn't seen it yet rags and we were watching it for like for the first 30 40 minutes i was back there i'm like oh yeah this this is go well and then like it just started falling exactly yeah yeah exactly marvel never fell apart because it was never structured to begin with it fell apart we all turned on it and then we were like oh i like dr strange but man this movie is a mess oh the movie never had a good scene captain marvel was bad for me i'm not saying captain marvel's better what do you mean you said it's objectively i hate i hate no i like dr strange and i would much rather see dr strange than captain marvel based on my memory based on my memory especially us watching it i just feel like we had so much to talk about with dr strange and it was so out there that we were like man this is the worst thing ever this is more to talk about with captain marvel it's everything what we have to do is we're gonna have to watch the both of these movies again back to back i'll watch dr strange again i don't need to watch dr marvel again i got a whole video about everything we will have to watch dr strange has to have more wrong in every scene in order to be worse than captain marvel how is that we have to be thorough it's this is what the people want the thing is is um with captain marvel every scene every scene there's something wrong with every single thing's wrong with every scene doesn't mean it's the worst there could be worse things right no but but it's it's not just that it's every scene is bad and there are several scenes where it just destroys everything and not only yeah but just because everything is destroyed by all the things around it and it makes sense ever and you're talking with us we need to watch we need to watch dr strange again because i feel as if that movie was just a mess i don't necessarily disagree with that of the bad ones you know we got okay first up captain marvel then i'm at three then black we have to do it movies for dr stranger i will make a fun yes we we can let's do i think that dr strange is efat movable i agree because we can i think that yeah yes we could talk about all the problems that make it awful it's still not as bad as captain it might be no it's i already know the answer to that question it's just no it absolutely might be i think that your your love of bindi snatch cumberbunk is clouding your judgment you just want to like uh don't you remember i was the poo pooer when we were watching dr strange i was the one who was saying this is terrible or no no no no no no no i was reminding him because you you were you guys would rip it into me for being like oh you have a problem with all these things these things are good i actually had a problem with no no what what happened was um we were watching it i came into it like i i enjoyed it no no no what what happened was it became apparent to me that my opinion of the film was wrong as i was watching it because like it got worse and worse and worse and then i was just like but i was the one who was saying that it was really bad from the start yes really bad no yeah but when we first saw well when you first saw it and then when we were first watching and getting into it and stuff like i was getting comments like it's not i don't think it's gonna be as bad as you're saying it is but then i i kept repeating to you guys i know it's the ghost fight seed the ghost fight seed i kept saying to you guys the ghost fight seed i remember the ghost fight scene that was terrible um and then there was the no the ghost fight scene was really dumb i agree um but yeah but then there was the scene where um the ancient one fell from a skyscraper and yeah and don't forget didn't die immediately the amount of times they don't escape the mirror will when they can they just keep waiting around and then kaiselia stops them remember there's like several moments where they just look at everything being mirrored and it's like guys guys guys use the spinning thing guys guys and they can use them in mid air and they can move them as we know like so and uh the fact that he beat those guys is kind of like a stretch the fact that he managed to beat those guys in his first fight is like yeah but captain marvel is a literal disaster there's just nothing about it that works and so i actually agree that these all go into like a tier if you put them in like a tier list they'll be like the bottom tier but i don't think any marvel movie will be as bad as captain marvel unless you get like captain marvel 2 i still think like i still think strange will be worse no i still i still think that like even even dr strange probably ranks higher than like age of ultron on that list i would say i think age of ultron is completely riddled the problem with dr strange is one is that you could argue i'm trying to think of like is there any damage to the mcu from dr strange um well i guess the idea would be that he could just do a time loop for every villain you know fanners i've come to bargain you know fanners i've come to bargain even try that no he didn't he didn't but i guess the thing is is that you could always contrive a reason where with captain marvel it's like you're impervious to damage you're impervious to harm like you can never be beaten directly contradict things that are established and they made her the inspiration for the team avengers which is just like oh yeah it's just like one of those retcons it's like the avengers are named after her why would you do that that movie's so bad i'm surprised i managed to get it all out in that two hours thinking about it it's like it's tough talk about all those things because i mean i spent longer on an episode of game of thrones yeah and game of thrones as it turns out you got it wrong because game of thrones is the most outstanding drama of the year yeah moller why can't we can't trust you about that how come we can't we can't we can't trust you about uh dr strangle people talk about the disconnect between uh between like professional mainstream critics and audience i mean what better example than that everybody watches everyone and yet it's still one what did it win for what did it do that warrants that win because the writing is awful they should have to explain why something won something in like yeah to get a paragraph even just a paragraph to explain something yes a minimum 100 word paragraph explaining why this film slash show won this category or explaining the criteria right for for the category so explain what you mean by you know what the criteria is well i think this was uh because when we went through the game awards categories it's like it's also nebulous and vague that you can't figure out what they're looking for and it's probably the same at the emmies and stuff like what is the criteria for most outstanding uh drama like what's different from best direction best writing or is it meant to be everything combined writing acting directing special effects all that i mean i don't know i don't know i don't know i'm not gonna tell us i mean i think they'd know they'd see it as a bad thing to tell us this is a this super chat section's going really well yeah we've gotten through a whole none since this is something that we're going to there's more memes as well um i'll just collect them as as we're going there are any picture ones i won't take though uh all right anyway rey could have killed kylo in the last Jedi after they both got knocked out rey was the first to wake up and don't tell me she's not a killer five minutes after she killed three tie fighters with a big toothy smile yeah but those were those were strange men in spaceships she didn't give a fucking she didn't give a shit about you you know for a fact when they in terms of the filmmaking and like this applies to a lot of films certainly captain marvel and i i would say rey in that scenario killing tie fighters or destroying tie fighters is is not registering with a lot of filmmakers that that's actually killing someone difficult yeah and like these are the same side of those in the same way that killing a stormtrooper with a random blast is kind of not murder because they it reminds me they all got helmets on that why do you think they all have helmets on can't see their skin and you don't see any blood generally if they're all they're all just anonymous like robots they're just bullet fodder they're not like people with hopes and dreams and emotions and families and faces even even the one who does have a face and emotions and he's barely a person he reminds me of uh it's not because he's black it's because he's underdeveloped before i get shat on rick and morty where he says shoot the morty they're robots he shoots flesh blood he goes i meant the i don't respect them was something like that like the culprit yeah because he shoots me he's like he's bleeding to death call his wife and children and yeah i think that if you asked rey would she ever murder someone as in daisy ridley she might actually go as far as being like no and then remember like oh wait no i have a shot away the idea just just the idea that three and then and then a fourth ship line up in a perfect straight line with one person with a laser turret aimed precisely at the intersecting point either second line where all of them will be that is like insane yeah that's actually insane casually give her the greatest shot ever performed on the maladium falcon it's her first fucking shot could you imagine like if it's saving private ryan you know when um what was the name of the sniper i i should know this um yeah like if the sniper got three people in one it just take you out of it completely one of the things i really like about saving private ryan that sniper is awesome and he misses several shots occasionally yeah yeah like guys uh right marksmanship is hard not it is hard to do as someone who does it it is difficult to do i mean it's the it's the kind of thing that's um i was rewatching battles from lord of the rings i think i mentioned it before but um in the battle of amon hen you can see like uh aragon getting tired as it progresses like he gets progressively more tired and exhausted and um and it's the same like dead able with the the hallway fight scene in season one he's getting tired and it's that kind of thing that really like sells the thing because it's like oh this is a person this is actually a human being he's not invincible they do a good job of that yeah john wick has it too he can't do it forever yeah he he does very clearly he gets tired it's uh it's that really important humanizing element um and when you kill three tie fighters that line up perfectly it just takes you out of it because it's like a video game um anyway next one is uh there goes my child dating channel thanks youtube goodbye what do uh shad was talking morning mass it was good to see so many fellow colonists on efap oh i'm not a what i guess everyone in austria the counts as well i'm not sure oh even even me i guess all right still loving the content slice and dice you massives of course slice and dice slice and dice with a sabre so efap especially hates orphan kids oh yeah yeah shad would you recommend a chainsword versus a spider um well i imagine it would work good against a spider because spiders aren't particularly like tough next time we have him on i'm gonna ask him what would actually be the greatest weapon in his in his collection that would be best against spider oh i guess it depends on what spider we're talking about if we're talking about australian spiders yeah are we talking about australian spiders or the slightly smaller spiders from lord of the rings elephant spiders yeah rhino spiders uh this event just ended an event that featured over 50 french streamers slash youtubers they raised over 3.5 million euros for the astra institute go team baguette all right also hi right hello hi stop streaming while i'm at work i mean i'm a you but i don't have a choice someone's someone's always at work true there's always someone at work what do you what do you want to do we want to do rags you just don't appreciate good rat i do appreciate good rat i like rats rags i still poop with the door open and i'm gonna do it at your house one day that's a strangest threat i've ever heard i'm gonna i'm gonna come to your house it's a threat i i guess if someone's saying they're gonna come to my house and poop with the door open like come on no one said you know no one's to see that shit uh i can't see you i don't want to see your door poop how can peppa use her armor and by tony's admission she never wears anything he makes for it i mean i i doubt i think it's fair to assume that she's been trained to use the armor in the five years um and i'm sure he was referring more to casual clothing rather than she wouldn't wear the suit because she doesn't like it like she'd obviously wear it when she has to help people that's i'm sure now lads it's been very fun but i will have to leave now after like nearly eight hours uh would you like to plug your channel sir uh sure i got the fringy channel i'm sure i'll do something with it at some point it's only been like a year and a half um i'm doing a podcast cosmoronic be recording episode six in about a week on location so that'll be an exciting one um and i'm working on an animation that i teased on twitter and probably follow me on twitter for that um i'm on twitter too much i fucking hate it but i'm it's like it's like a train wreck that you know that uh seen in call of duty like world war two where that train gets just keeps coming and it doesn't stop and then it hits every single thing that's what twitter is like to me um but yeah that's that's what i'm working on so hopefully a cartoon soon and then hopefully some more cartoons after that i'm quite excited but it's a lot of work and a lot of stuff going on at the minute but this was a good reprieve from that uh from like assignments and works thank you i hope you had fun sir oh yeah it's great all right have a good rest of the shrink guys i'll catch you later you bet see you later what a lord dr strange isn't terrible i love it i enjoy carol danvers terrible oh yeah that ended with also high rags oh hi there hello how are you oh and shat what fictional soul did you like to own i will keep that question for him i do my best with keeping the questions but even i fuck that up so i'm sorry if you don't get answered eventually um e fapping into my birthday best present so far i raise a glass of sparkling rhino milk to all you massives all right strange ghost fight was just disney testing for episode nine force ghost fights oh no that might be true though i was going to say like you know the whole it's like oh no hopefully that doesn't happen i'm like no no we want this to happen now okay they might they might though they actually might we want to have fun with it so maybe it makes a good thing it's a good thing that it makes us go with the flow um and accept what they want uh hey you massives today's my birthday so how about a shout out may the memes and tizms flow freely um happy birthday vasa yeah happy birthday why are you guys talking about dr strange spider man came out what times you just get to a point in your life where you had you got to talk about one or the other hidden uh we chose dr strange i'm sorry spider man's gone guys gotta get over it not in the mc i'm still curious if they're actually gonna bring him back because the the money they'll lose you then i think there's been talk about whether or not apple's gonna buy sony have you heard about that i've heard of it oh god the idea being that they buy them and then they force them to let spider man back into the mcu is just like goodness what a strange timeline we're in um sorry mallor and company could you please say things will get better don't give up things will get better don't give up things will get better don't give up yeah things will get better don't give up things will get better don't give up things will get better don't give up i enjoy the work i've seen i could use words of encouragement for people i respect so thank you with ten dollars yeah man keep at what work it is that you're doing i hope i hope it works out yeah don't give up um ha ha i made efap a little bit longer also hi j well well time stone luckily j wasn't around for this one time stone is the most underused and op mc guffin in the mcu there's a ton of op time manipulation powers like dr strange could have sped up thomas's time so we've aged into dust yeah who knows what oh shit yeah because he can move it forward and back he does that in his film yeah time stone is fucking broken yeah and now that we know how endgame goes infinity wall is so able to be scrutinized even more so because that was apparently the best outcome it's like dude they were better outcome get gametron on you massive hey i i don't take kindly to such horrific demands gametron's the one that that has requested a couple times come on um i don't know well maybe it'll get around to one day i just guess lists we got a lot of a lot of things to get through uh currently making a buffy angel viewing order how did you both how did you view both shows back to back by airing order through crossovers online guides so obviously i watched all of buffy and then all of angel because that's how they came out back in the day um and i didn't get into angel until after buffy had finished but there is a viewing order you can google it's um it's like a blog spot page that was made in 2012 but it basically has a listing that will explain to you how to watch the episodes in order from both seasons to stay in continuity so uh just google it it is findable um my brother almost walked out of i am i'm in three after the mandarin twist because mandarin is his favorite character but he loves luke and tlj i don't get it i don't get it either man yeah that's weird um just don't seem right love the new rags video i want to pat you furiously yay goes from uh kivakins the app website creator oh i'm doubly glad then i'm really i really am glad you liked it i'm the uh is like a new animation in the beginning right or at least a yes yeah and hopefully that one will get slowly but surely added to as time goes on mauler in your videos you like to have characters lip read to what you're saying how do you know how do you know character in what moment to use must take forever yes loss of experimentation and then there's lots of like i remembered a character saying something similar or an expression they have that'll be suitable um it's tough but i i always like kind of doing it a lot of ones that sync up can be very satisfying with the work uh it's interesting how the mcu kind of mirrors the very inquiry at the quality in the comics how different writers can ignore or even change things between books yeah and i wish they took it much more seriously like what they're dealing with in terms of you take on someone else's work and your work will be something someone else has to continue to be careful like try and leave things in a position that makes sense otherwise someone else is going to have to try and make your work make sense instead of working on their own thing which is you know the lame for them uh was true dose prince ali audition better or worse than the guy who actually got the role in a lad in live action remake yeah have you seen that rags uh okay and what's his name the canadian prime minister is it just to know yeah uh that picture got leaked of him wearing blackface yeah i don't know what's gonna how he's gonna be able to deal with that from the people on his his team if you will because that's a purity testing nightmare but uh yes i'm sure he could have starred in a lad in uh also high rags hello more i remember in e-fap 40 you were really looking forward to a post endgame thaw and how they're going to treat him how do you feel about love and thunder is going to be any good um so like my position on thaw was probably soured a little bit more since that e-fap game but um i'm still like they could still do a good job for him in a theoretical fourth or four i mean if they if they explore him a whole lot more than i mean they could in guardians if he has a prominent really prominent role and a lot of it is focused around him sure i don't think it's an irredeemable thing it'll be tough yeah and there's lots to be concerned about love and thunder but gotta wait until we get some some more info i think it's gonna be shit ozzy ozzy ozzy the only reason dormamu came close to absorbing earth was because an evil wizard helped him fewer wizards equals fewer chances that happens no it's not it's the destruction of the the like the four things that prevent him from entering the dimension the idea that the idea that the the mordo was doing it in order to prevent a dormamu in future isn't even the case he literally just argues that it's about large power shouldn't be able to be used by people and he's gonna use his power to take it from people while simultaneously having to reconcile the fact that this large power just saved his own universe it is the most nonsensical thing ever and i hear um and the film doesn't the most nonsensical thing ever maybe i was being hyperbolic oh no no no it's the you had a you had a Freudian slip i mean have you never said anything hyperbolic lily lily lily no it's too late it's on camera it's the most nonsensical thing ever you heard him say it chat but you back me up yeah i did i was referring to you saying it too late you just said it yes right i did because you said it and it should be said an intention doesn't matter rags you've just said yes it does no yep mine didn't so neither does yeah dude yeah it does you said exactly what you meant that was a that was a Freudian slip like Fringy said no i meant it hyperbolically it was supposed to be you had a you had a Freudian slip you had the slip of Freudian you talking about the philosopher Freudian Freudian the no the psychologist Freudian no philosopher because he worked with no he was also a no no no no we're talking about Freudian the psycho logist oh the psycho logist yeah no i'm okay fine fine you win i fucked up i i didn't know you were speaking about the psycho logist what other what other Freudian could there be you know what no Freudian could ever match up your right there's only one Freudian in my life and that's sigman Freudian god damn it i'm late hello gentlemen oh hello hi my friend says she doesn't have the patience to watch lord of the rings how do i convince her to watch him it's fucking slapper and tired of the chair doesn't have the patience patience uh i don't know she watched two movies before in a row because that's yeah man you could argue that is chocolate orange is the chocolate orange okay uh wasn't disney being a little because we're allegedly cooking their books i think it calls into question how much their live action remakes actually make i'm i'm happily convinced that they make money i i'm sure people go to see them what i don't think is the people a lot of people come away loving them as much as what they fell in love with back in the day because they really just just a hollow remix but i can believe they're making a lot of money sadly it's the reputation of something like the lion king that people go and see it again it's like yay recapture childhood yay introduce my children to it and it's like you already can you can use the old i mean it doesn't matter what they make the movie it doesn't matter how good or how shitty they are because you people buy tickets you'll just buy those tickets people just beat them up num num num lawn lady in the tramp lion king fucking it doesn't matter how shitty it is gotta buy those tickets gotta gotta watch those disney films i imagine the people in our audience probably don't yeah and people in our yeah it wasn't people in our chat but i had this discussion actually this weekend yesterday at a party there were some people there talking about some disney movies and stuff and they were all just talking about how excited they are and whether or not one of them said i hope it's good and i said it doesn't fucking let's be honest it doesn't matter if it's good or not it doesn't matter if it's good or not you guys you bought you guys have already decided that you're gonna see them and you're gonna spend all the money on the tickets it doesn't even matter if it's good or not they went well that truth but you know that's why episode probably the end of the skywalk of saga it's like uh was it this is oh oh is that oh this is that what we're calling it now all right sure if have gaming trouble in terrorist town when oh yes we have to play ttt maybe yeah maybe in the future then i love ttt what are your thoughts on three-dimensional moms mom moms yeah my mom's three dimensional she's all right hey i think most of them are aren't they yeah yeah they're cool uh thoughts on Rambo and critical reception i'm hopefully gonna go see it in the next days ish and i find what people have been saying about it pretty funny and i want to go see it just to see what made them say what they said the what it was it rags the quote like it's a bag of hat wearing races it's it's a it's a trump dystopian nightmare that hates mexicans and it's pro trump and it's maga country you know sorts of stuff i can't wait to see it i've heard from multiple people now that it's good and i'm legit i legit want to see it yeah there you go um all the criteria used to evaluate objective quality and media are established as a valid criteria a priori by the nature of the medium like elements necessary for a story for a post priori conclusions reached via mutual agreement it would be uh pre as in what's intrinsic to what makes a story can be broken down and then the degree to which it falls away from being that it uh it was actually i was talking to friend about this yesterday it's um um a quality argument made from quantity it is um an ought derived from an is it is a couple ways to try and translate it but if i was to go into more detail to explain the fundamental sort of way i try and line it all up we'd be here for a lot longer but um it's a fair question and uh the the mutual agreement one like the idea that that's that's what's happening i mean there'll be certain arguments that'll probably be reliant on that like a group of people come to a conclusion about what something should be and then you have like a fifth person jumps in way later like that's bullshit though because blah blah blah and then the four people might be like oh right yeah and they missed something because the fact that a bit of a bias that they didn't quite see but the criteria is essentially established before we even seen the movie typically like especially with storytelling dad what do you think about oh wait yeah well opinions are usually wrong so we get a lot of interesting quotes on the show don't we we do it's strange i wish people would stand by them once in a while wards only have one definition and opinions that was so that was a weird one words only have one definition man that was a weird one that's like mm yeah oh uh give me a second i'll be right back that's a question for uh pronounced adeptus custodis dumb mola i don't know how to pronounce but i'll i'll read it for him once he's uh once he's back i mean shad uh hey mola shad freeing robot head i think that's everyone oh i can say hi back to that um how can being in shape and looking good as a power fantasy for men but not for women i think that there'd be an argument to be made for women have power fantasies well it's just not something like typically has talked about i think like um not because we don't want to talk about it but because i uh like it seems maybe it's unseemly like some people don't think that it should be uh discussed because it's almost like a criticism of the person in some way people often use um men looking for a power fantasy is like a bad thing um but yeah i think you know like you know have women who play doom and fucking love the power fantasy they get from that doesn't have to be the uh doom guy is not a girl but the idea that probably get some form of a power fantasy out of any kind of strong female character in a lot of different uh pieces of meteors yeah it's definitely possible wouldn't be better if everyone was topless fringo crokins but did fringy say that fair enough uh finally caused one of these properly and with some of my favorite guests no less hurrah for australia also hi shad i'm sure he would have said hi back him or something about the ot you can admit is objectively bad the fucking nonsense in jabba's palace at the beginning of return of the um the fact that the a-wings would fly towards the walkers the beginning of empire when they take like a million years to turn around so the obvious thing would be to fly around the back of them flying toward them their view is probably not the best and then um no yeah there's probably more be only asked for one so i did it um dad very much like shadow the conqueror picked the audio vision up and recommended to other people i'm sure he would appreciate that my Jedi outcast review is going up on geeks and gamers this weekend time for the console ports and has a montage of star wars amputations set to patrick williams preaching the films are for kids excellent work mark so high rags he'll he'll pick those up once okay i'm back we just had a high rags oh hello i've always liked the female led action just look at my stuff i've animated and i've distinctively recalled during university a classmate got tilted at me because the girl i made had cleavage and exposed thighs in 2014 no women show their cleavage in public especially people don't women don't do that yeah if you go out in real life all women are very much pretty much hiding everything giant blankets see them shifting through the streets as the people actually think that it's unusual for humans to want to display their assets their assets yeah their assets it's like the like a liability but it's like a weird liability those are snow speeders more than not wings i said a wings yeah i mean i'm i'm running on low energy right now but um the ships in in the beginning of empire they're not a wings you okay uh late 70s early 80s john burn for the win i'm not sure what that's reference must be a comic book artist oh yeah that would make sense when linkara does the last Jedi comic ifap it please why the comic yeah yeah he reviews comic oh i'm haunted by phasma saying actions and character actions action would you say one punch man is objectively bad because a normal person can't become that op with his strength training or is it okay because it's consistent in the laws of these stories universe well if we're going strictly by season one then i think we all assume that there's something else going on and that we're going to figure out what the truth of the matter is because no you can't become that strong from just the the regiment that he talks about um if they never explained it it wouldn't necessarily be a contradiction because everything is running as it's been displayed to be in that we just we don't know what truly gave him that but we wouldn't necessarily need to though i i think that's a really good opportunity to change anything before i understand about the story uh men ruin star wars women ruin society perfect balance does all things should be clearly women would improve everything if they were men look at the women i didn't come to work for if captain marvel had to fight superman who'd win i mean she's immune to everything he's not immune to everything because of kryptonite so she'd just get kryptonite would stab him through his heart with kryptonite she would just me to him him he's got some old tweets that are very controversial very controversial superman tweets back on oh he was you know he was criticizing all kinds of things dig them all up dales video is basically please don't hashtag me to me one one could argue user running x ruining x but i'm not attacking jews well as the thing if you just trade it out then for another group the video suddenly becomes totally not allowed which is you know you could you could blanket statement men and white people all you want you never get you know it's fine don't worry about that do the same to blacks or jews or women oh man watch yourself it's good to catch a live one perfect timing for fringyland people have any of you guys bought slash played borderlands three yet i'm morally torn on it i'm not touching it i'm not touching and i'm not buying anything from the epic games store yeah really really that's simple as it is for me hello to efab's best boy oh borf hello my experiences people with a proper understanding of anatomy can pull off the same movement and idealization bad anatomy for style is no excuse well i don't know about bad anatomy for style i'm not i'm not sure about that i mean i think there's uh yeah i think if if you change people's proportions in order to have a style or each character is supposed to be you know if they look a certain way because you want to portray a certain i guess physique type you know that's one thing but where it but if you're going to be inconsistent with it just to i don't know um like if if someone has to do something plot related and he changed their physique to do that like a guy's supposed to be big and buff and then all of a sudden he has to fit through like a like a ventilation shaft or something so you sort of size you know just so we can fit through and ah that's where you have a you know i think that was more directed at fringy and shad i think in their conversation they said that um you can sacrifice anatomy for a style i think but uh yeah it's an interesting conversation to say that i don't get those funko pops they're like they're like nanod nendoroids nendoroids dendoroids i think i've heard of them i think you're something similar nendoroids yeah i'm not sure the poor and intellectually deficient nendos are at least cute these pops are creepy people love them and i don't know like i don't have any uh from what i remember but i i feel like everyone sees them as a sort of um easy gift and cool thing to have in terms of the meat that you like and there are psychos out there who will literally go out and buy every single version of every single thing of every single set of which i'm not even sure if like i wonder if there's like a list online there probably is and i'm i'm curious how many funko pops there are now no a lot don't make fun of lando funko rags that's his wife's black son's favorite toy he oh i noticed he said my family he didn't he wasn't like a kid so yeah maybe he lives with his parents maybe not i don't know could be both the question is still up in the air oh yeah i don't know we didn't really see uh see about what like potential slash career was because he said he was a part of like a network for youtube right i'm assuming that was his he used to be well no he used to be part of the network that was network 1901 was the name of the channel that it was on that's why it was different and honestly you can't make a video like that and expect that's the thing like videos like that are all over the place you're a bad person if you hate star wars or you hate women if you had done to that i was like how do you think people are going to react to it do you think a lot of networks want to have that kind of message on their channel and stuff like buzzfeed who apparently like rather foster that rather than we did yeah i think that um i would i wouldn't say that most places are like buzzfeed oh absolutely i'm just saying there are a few out there and i don't know what oh yeah there's some network was like maybe this and a lot of them are and a lot of them are dying too yes so there's always that remember that one time where there was a devil's advocate to keep the conversation fresh if you're being sarcastic steiner at the very least the guy came on so what more do you want like i mean we he had the chance to come on on the podcast and when he was getting into to ideally defend his ideas he didn't really do that but you know he could have you know that was an option and plus it's not like we were going hard on him yeah and a lot of what we were talking about in in the section covering his video was a lot of just discussion about a lot of his uh like thing he was a vehicle for discussions between us about things yeah we weren't really getting much out of him yeah like it wasn't like he required an advocate we would just like he would say something we'd be like okay let's try break this down to talk about it um and yeah he didn't exactly seem to want to support what was the broad statements of his video anyway so i don't know what advocate you'd be looking for exactly cat man joe is not responsible for this please leave his stream alone i guess that's in relation joe we were getting cat man joe spammed a lot oh yeah yeah i don't know i have no idea what that's about i don't i don't either i don't i don't know uh rags what is your problem with funko pops oh it's it's just like the meme um like reputation that they have they're the stereotypical thing that you know nerd shield types have all the time yeah they're always in like i don't actually think lesser of one's character if you own funko pops yeah and that's i was bringing up earlier there are arguments people can make against like merchandising and buying into it and all that stuff but like i don't myself i don't really have an issue you can have like excessive amounts like there's people who walk into their house and it's just funko pops everywhere and you'll be like okay okay i mean yeah whatever floats boat but um yeah there there is just the whole the pretty sure like you look at red let immediate podcast set right for the nude crew and it's just stuff yeah stuff everywhere let's figure it just um so the guy's apparently a minecraft youtuber and he has no idea what's happening just wanted to let you know well yeah he came to uh that was about the uh oh is he a minecrafter i think all right hi rags hello the stream you did with salgon last week about the algezera video was outstanding oh yeah oh yeah that was a fun one i'm glad you liked it uh for real i really appreciate the wit and directness with which you opposed what the video was advancing oh i'm i'm uh i'm glad that you liked it we did we we uh we tackled it with all the fun and me could tackle a video subtly implying there should be a race war uh i'm glad we get to hear crazy drunk or just silly rags oh i'm i'm not drunk i've i'm not drinking at all i had way too much to drink less i am not touching another drop uh never now at least when ray meets kylo she'll just thanos snap who knows they might get married and have children like we never know what's gonna happen it's insane yeah cuz remember ray she's beating them like three times sort of now like two and a half times at this point like man what are they gonna do yeah but i'll be walking to that city like oh god here we go we're about to get the answers of what the fuck were they gonna do with episode uh i'm so excited i really am so excited for episode nine i want to know what happened i want to know how it ties together all of these loose threads and it's something i just watched efab nine luke milking the alien makes sense because it's disney milking star wars for all it's worth i don't disagree with it's it's that you can't just you see it's the it's the adjacent meta narrative of the milking scene that you can't ignore i wonder if i wonder if moviel would appreciate that if i said it's a meta narrative it describes the disney milking well it's like there's nothing that you can't say oh it's a meta narrative in defense of and once they say uh uh they're like oh so there's criteria and standards by which you judge whether or not something is either a good or a or a sufficient meta narrative boogie deadass set a chris raygun joke seriously well this is the thing i feel like we would make jokes like that on efab like at least rapist believe in themselves or something like that yeah but he said it in defense of like an argument and it's like no uh internet trolls of the apex evil at least rapist believe in spreading too much bread over butter boogie boogie bag fail yes boogie boogie bag fail would have said that uh the critic is the risk you take the critic out and you have some roundheaded moron making people mad yeah well there's a thing saying that the creator the critic doesn't take any risks they'll be like oh there's times where people's yeah people's reputations can live and die on their criticism gotta you gotta make sure you your takes are accurate or you've done the work you you maintain integrity there's lots of risky elements to being a critic um the complaint about movie critics is just commies trying to push the labor theory of value doesn't matter how much you worked on it uh the tweet from stuckman is ripped from the end of ratatouille yeah i saw a couple people on twitter saying that he's essentially just uh ripped off the speech at the end of ratatouille the whole like appreciate the the the work anyone could be a cook the the the the the wonderful sort of elements of ratatouille um stuckman however doesn't quite maintain the charm of of the film stuckman is extremely uncharming and uninteresting he mixes the two together in a way he he he has the perfect amount of uninteresting bread that is being scraped over with the uninteresting butter it's like a butter that's yeah they're like what is this is this water and you're like yep clear butter i used to be chris stuckman fan until his tlj review came out that's when i woke up to his bs an e-fap on his video would be a good idea um maybe we've said before that if ever we were to cover him it would probably be preferable to wait for a subject we're familiar with um and maybe something new that sort of encompasses a lot of what i have in terms of issues with this but um i don't know this is the problem with chris stuckman videos they are he just he's the the bottom of the barrel meh criticism if you can call it that like if you think that you are good enough to do what chris mc chris duckman does then yeah you're correct you are thank the dawn you guys streamed i just finished the last episode and needed my rhino milk fix keep being as epic in us and celesteal as always guys thank you will go of it i'm all a thank you for the great content no problemo king animus thank you for playing it great um stuckman has a series called hilariocity i think he can understand there are shit movies and that should be laughed at well yeah oh yeah they all do it's just exactly a contradictory to their whole thing it's they have this mindset where they're like it's all subjective until you bring ones like the room in then they're like okay we know that one's not subjective and you're like what do you mean you can't say that you can't just like do you know how to stand by saying that you've established a criteria and it's like no this is that was bad though other ones i like though i find a critic who loves the room and explains the themes of the room um are women fans either fans of star wars who are women or fans of women who are into star wars women women like what wait what well i mean it's in reference to his video the confusing like thing about women fans the fans of star wars who are women or fans of women who are into star wars i'm not even sure like what are you the second one um i mean he didn't say he didn't necessarily stand by the statements anyway so no it's kind of a shame uh wish meme repository happy birthday to yeah happy birthday dude oh meme repository happy birthday uh don't have time to watch now but i need more more content i'm still mad my efab 50 super chat was missed it said hi ragas and miaola oh well there you go oh hello that one uh dale's a mansplainer saying women love disney star wars dirty dirty man thanks for covering the vid i sent you thanks more no problem if you were the one who sent it yeah um i get a couple of different sources i get and i try and just heck out enough of a video to be like is this gonna work is it not and man yeah that was that was an interesting um creators should be honored that their work is analyzed to such a degree so they can improve many people don't even get that attention or help yeah someone say that the worst thing is just to be ignored yeah uh oops misspelled my last chat meant to say it was misread not missed oh yeah no i knew shad would be on efab after a 30 minute video covering four minutes of anime yay only girls i've seen liking tlj a tumblr tier relo shipper commies you know disney target audience i mean the whole relo thing i don't know why people are so into that but yeah i don't what do you guys see is it purely just a sexual fantasy thing where it doesn't have any grounds at all in reality logic you're just thinking with your lady dick uh great stream bro also say hi to rags for me hi rags oh hi moller wait shed is back i thought he's dead tracks raw well yeah he apparently did survive i mean we watched the um the meme video where he came back right i think what happens next to him in the uh and was when you hold the position that everything is subjective your arguments will resemble an escher painting every argument will loop back illogically well yeah when you've maintained that as a foundation all of the arguments are going to eventually crossover and contradict each other because you'll be doing everything in the moment so like you end like like h bomb a guy saying that ds2 was complete and it's in completeness like sorry what like double take and uh the longer it goes on with a critic the more you'll find things like hey wait but they said this before now this they're so yeah it doesn't matter it's just my opinion you're like oh i subscribed because i thought you were really good at you know like breaking the thing down not just because you happen to like it or didn't like it at the time you know it gets uh english is the best screw all other languages yeah english is the tits i mean i've just i don't really mind what language it would be i just wish that it pretty much was just one language across earth the clarity because most of the time people who use english don't even really get how to use it and i'm not saying that i'm not one of those people like if it was all just one language we'd probably be at a point where we can focus on actually getting better at using it instead of trying to figure out translations for everything but that has a lot of cultural implications and historical ones but yes english is i agree with baller um yeah british empire version two let's give it another shot gents jolly good just just yeah give it no no harm in trying it again i'd say nothing really that the first one was a warm up uh training to be an electrician good wiring like anything is a form of art therefore if i fix a breaker with a subjective theme that it won't kill me i'll be fine oh be careful mr electrician um i won't be watching live just wanted to pop in and say thanks for making my commute to college every day bearable have a great stream also hi rags hello hi sesame street was brought to you today by the letter six on the number e since the original six movies were based on will war two any decent sequel trilogy should have been based on the cold war imagine the remnants of the empire or the new republic descending into communism um i think there's a lot of potential for like the growing frustration of maybe a an awkward piece that was established with a faction of an empire that was still trying to just maintain a planet let's say or a selection and then maybe a thing could be that several planets start to join their union and the concern for the republic is that quite there being peace they're getting more powerful you know and then you can have elements of the cold war happening there um i think yeah imagine it was it was actually character-based and neither faction was you know good or evil necessarily yeah you could be watching lord of the rings right now yes he could you could have screwed me i missed two hours of efab because i was rewatching that good but subversive show called the boys start watching two seconds ago judging from the title this guy sounds like a a homo that deserves to be decapitated by lasers jesus christ well you can guess that's raw right oh yeah i was gonna say if the only reason we dislike tlj is we hate women could one argue the reason they like it is they're racist fin is a bumbling stereotype caricature i suppose that would have been an interesting one to throw back when he was about the prequel thing actually um if they said the only reason they like it is because black people are in it i don't know if that makes them racist it would be a weird fucking day though but i guess they kind of do say that right the whole diversity thing they're more concerned with what the people look like rather than they are definitely well if we said if we said we only like it because there's a white person in it you know what they oh yeah well if we'd be we'd be uh that that wouldn't look yeah we would actually be like how could you say that it's so disgusting wrong uh thoughts on one division leading directly into doctor strange two i'd be more annoyed if both weren't my most anticipated things of phase four as wander and vision of my favorite avengers objectively uh yeah i'm gonna try out the one division thing seems like it could be cool it's gonna be dependent on the trailer for it i don't know what they're up to and then doctor strange two is the one out of all the things in phase four that i actually wouldn't mind seeing from name alone again trailers are probably gonna direct me on these ones um also the wallet uh to criticism thing only applies to the studio people like ryan johnson and dumb and dumber get paid the same amount regardless yeah that was weird because when he said matters i'd like it was really dependent on who he was saying that in reference to like matters to what disney matt did the bottom line matters to the creators matters to the people i don't know yeah i mean if people i mean people's attitudes and the money are inextricably tied to one another it would be insane to imply that they're not the same or not well not the same but they're not related thoughts on new joker movie watch mde world piece i've not seen it and i'm probably now gonna wait until it's released i did want to see it in the cinema but uh too many things got in the way and i'm not sure if it's still there but but either i'll see it this week or i'll wait until it's out there's a possibility and i don't i don't assume you haven't seen it right no i haven't needs to have a chat with me i'll let him know how terribly bad tlj actually was from a woman's point of view ps l 337 was garbage this is the thing oh i should have asked him does he think that l 337 was a parody character not i have no idea he seemed uh very nervous general and so i just i had a sense that he might have wanted to just uh sort of get the conversation finished and established that he's he doesn't really hold the positions of a lot of the things he said in that video and so stuff like i think we established that pretty clearly yeah like the whole women do x or think x and men do x and think x like all of that you could just i just watched kung fu panda trilogy and loved revisiting that series but got sad because so many brands have damaged nowadays there's only a matter of time until this one's ruined too yeah yeah well isn't there a kung fu panda like a tv show i don't know actually there might be i know that there's three movies they're full movies i think there's three uh and i can't man like i haven't seen him in ages so like i kind of don't even really remember that much yeah but um but the idea that there's concern over um them being ruined uh i was on a podcast the other day talking about like it's like what else is even left to ruin does like the two that i've waited to be ruined are um back to the future and gremlins those are two that i'm waiting by reboots remakes sequels whatever um i'm surprised they haven't been touched for this long and i know that gremlins three has been back and forth in production they're trying to get a thing started with that so it's no matter really and this is the thing if it's gonna be like egi gremlins and like missing the tone of the originals there's a lot of things that could happen and i know that um mike loves gremlins so that's that would be a probably a pretty good plinket video on the way if if something like that happened at least you gotta think i think that's good yeah i like gremlins a lot but if a bad gremlins remake came out i probably wouldn't make any videos on it i would just be like well another one bites the dust yeah i hope you enjoy you can still enjoy the first two i went to get food and you're still going long yes how long do you eat i i guess a long time also i read that one out of out of order fine i'll just read the rest i just rewatched oh wait yeah we got that one hi shad great say hi back this kajuk he spell is i guess raw goes with kajuk instead of kuk so they actually block kuk i would have thought they'd let you say that really you can't say kuk wow stop it raw please stop being mean and critical me and my chad super soldiers we will drive you and your soy boy ilk to he wrote sue and then space side like sue is how you can't say sue well maybe he can't actually say suicide no of course but the way did it so like sue was in su e like women's day but then side is it like a side of a war like like not because i figure you could just put a space between in the middle of suicide middle work but yeah yeah maybe i like i like these uh tactics to get past limitation um i'm sorry to inform you all that i hate women this guy on the internet told me because i think last chad i was bad well that was talking to the berry sue thing that was that was really all quick by the way um i thought he knew that he'd said that if you know what i mean the whole um yeah like i think that he hated the fact that that was a tweet he had done he was like oh for fuck's sake you know what i mean about the whole like like me and you having to defend that position when we know that that's not our position yeah like oh yes i said that yes it's okay fine yeah but we can generally defend the things we say that's the thing and i do want to clarify that like if you say something stupid for whatever reason you should be able to be like yeah that thing was stupid and i don't think that anymore like right right yeah that's all you had to say that's what i had to say yeah uh if you ever pause every frame of a movie bob video again please join forces with razor fist to do it if you can dismantle that charlatan as well as him sure yeah we could save a movie bob thing for him we do have there was one we were gonna cover in the 50th that never got around to it so if we have razor fists we can have a movie bob video i guess um yeah if you know 40k then argue caldor drago isn't a mary sue try i'm guessing that's i'm gonna save that fish add add no 40k i do not know if he knows 40k much you know i don't i don't i know of it i i i have a journeyman understanding of it but i don't really know who he is i don't know a lot of individual characters um so if i told this brave and stunning orphan that i didn't like bob a fat he'd blow me but if i said ray had no development or logical reasoning behind a power he'd spit instead of swallow that's sexist yeah i mean i think he he sounded like he'd be willing to hear arguments for why she was a poor character and it sounded like with the criticisms he had of boba that there is such a thing as a bad character according to him so maybe there's a discussion to be had there hopefully yeah maybe uh starting from the beginning because i'm pooping in late popping in late oof happy birthday shad have fun with your spaghetti oh yes women are stupid and irrational and weak fash boy oh i guess that's supposed to be fag boy probably what are you gonna do about it gonna cry shit your pants this guy's legs should be crushed ah no leg crushing so you're throwing people in violence always violence hey rags you had some dog go hey i want to absorb your bone density over and over and over hmm that's a lot of bone in there though if i met this guy irl i would make him listen to more his entire tlj critique while i crushed him and stuffed him into a single tiny funko pop box bra again the crushing and the stuffing uh yuzhou senki movie has a mary sue as an antagonist enough um you'll probably be good around the discussion of what makes one good or not um why are you talking about women when you get to look at women i don't know sometimes it's just not enough no that's controversial this what can i say superman is also weak to magic and red sun energy as well as countless characters who can match him physically bad writers will make him op and uninteresting but a lot of good writers give him plenty of great stories oh um shad literally every dip who's been covered on e-fap that's disagreed with me is an ugly retards subhuman who should be sliced in half with lasers i guess ross use their roses all right daddy won't make such violence such violence daddy what makes good rat well when a plot and a character love each other very much they get together and make a bunch of little themes oh yeah any thoughts about the new article from comic book dot com disney's first star wars plans were too much too fast according to jim and bog i bog i go this is bob i go um i swear i get i mean it's weird because you look at the mcu and they got movies coming out all the time yeah maybe the idea is that it wasn't it wasn't good and i think it wasn't the whole like they planned to do a whole bunch of things then they pulled it all back because oh yeah they pulled out they pulled back a bunch of stuff yeah i guess we already knew that bob i get felt that way because of those actions but um yeah it makes sense they think that they're obviously wrong about what's wrong just make good shit and we'll watch it it doesn't yeah if it's good you got a whole fan base here we're we're ready for it we're ready for that good stuff but if you don't make the good stuff then well what do you think is going to happen uh literally every kush kuk kuk as as simps and what is this raw there's so many words that are all spelt wrong to be cleansed from the earth all right the the end of the message was a course that a bunch of the badmonds need to be cleansed from the earth uh chat if you ever meet someone like this irl remember do not reason with them or validate them with arguments bully them relentlessly and make them weep oh raw i'm not mexican bartha also put these sexy shoes oddballer hey hey rags hey how do you like your position as the gay world president the gay world president i don't remember being a i don't remember being elected i don't remember you nominate in like a spaceship of one but apparently you got it nice work man oh thanks i worked really hard on it yeah really worked long and hard on it to get this coveted position in gay world it's not canon but there's some law about the guy who operated the laser and his guilt yavin wasn't blown up instantly because he couldn't do it again it's not canon but there's some law are you saying like fan fiction i mean i would imagine that it there could be some psychological trauma that goes into it would be pretty cool as a it may have been a cool idea to have that be something that plays into the finale of a new hope in the the guy couldn't get over that that's what he had become a part of and sabotage is a portion of the system or something yeah maybe um when shad says um it sounds like armor i guess because australian accent they say um um i'm pretty fat today crikey bilbo fat my favorite lord of the wars character oh yeah lord of the wars low bot reminds him of the arson tinnian pool boy that pierced his maidenhood over margaritas oh no better i have syphilis than be a virgin fair enough you know everyone get to choose what you want you know i'm holding that against you uh luke traumatizes his nephew when he was about to kill him this guy this is a ton of fun just dropping in during my break have a great stream guys thank you murdering younglings total fun sad luke fun like a clown emojis a theme is a word film elitist used to in invent value where none exists like how modern artists use obscurantism to present to pretend their work isn't shit oh no there's just an obscure particular nature of the piece that's supposed to represent kind of net net you see supposed to be something underlying the what you can see you see but you can't see you have to smell it smell it smell it are you aware of the netflix movie coming out in november called the i'll save this question the con zakin also is this thing i told you about in efap 52 is this the thing i told you about i i maybe i don't know but not so far it's now been covered the call of cthulhu contains fiction and therefore is a silly fantasy book for kids like i said i don't think he would stab by the argument i don't think patrick willams would stand by whatever the argument he's trying to make is when he says all that because if you if i was ever able to probe him on his stupid it's a space with his movie for children i'd be like are you saying we don't we shouldn't take it seriously i don't think you'd want to answer yes to that like are you saying children's content shouldn't be crafted to a certain standard wouldn't agree with that and so you're just like so what the fuck was the point in you saying all that no having some fun leave me alone opinion i'm so fun so fun uh four children falls apart when we know that star wars was written with archetypal mythology and ancient law from real world it was liked by young ones but the structure itself is universal cretins like this can shove his all right now last time i checked nobody defended the phantom men is saying it was for kids and the movie has jar jar binks yeah like people didn't i don't think i saw any arguments in favor of phantom men is saying hey it's for children it was interesting that that sort of and to really come to pass with with tlj i don't think i've ever seen that argument more so than with tlj people are desperate to make excuses for this move trial by combat and holding a piece of hot iron damn common law is cool yeah would you consider having an e-fap on discussing how you could have fixed or rewritten the sequels after nine is out i'd be happy to hear ideas of hate and passion flow for seven eight and nine it's a lot of expanded effort for what is essentially a process that probably rather put into like actually writing your own story instead i mean i like discussions on tweaks and then maybe a premise for a trilogy but like the first thing we probably do is like yeah just wipe what we had go from the beginning again and or everything they do a complete rewrite it would take a long time we probably just talking concepts but it's i'm not gonna say it's impossible um will you make another video game analysis i love them i would say yes for the future but i don't know when exactly like i don't want to promise anything about anything so but but i'd like to cover games again for sure uh they take what you're on sorry yeah games are fun yes fun times fun stuff very fun they take what you created away from you because they're inferior and can't make anything half as good then they muck it all up because they were they're worthless subhumans filled with spite then once they've ruined everything they tell you it was silly space wizards or racist misogyny or dumb west and civilization all along none of it ever really mattered in the first place kind of yeah be the case with a with a bunch of media um this guy is why the Germans have the word rem remn and shaman shaman i'm i know that's not how you pronounce that but um you're shaman are there enough uh follow star wars in other words love all star wars movies no matter how bad in product and get excited for next product all is opinion of 2001 aso clockwick orange the shining uh i like all of them the shining is probably my favorite 2001 and clockwick orange we're um probably use the word fascinating and uh i guess i can't really go on further for any of them because dude i would have to open up a lot but um yeah there's a reason why their classics or influential movies good shit dr sigman freudian dr sigman freudian i like that that seems so jerryward that this whole time fringy thought his name was freudian because of freudian yeah i can see how that happened and i like it uh why don't we hear iron giant has great themes of not judging others and you are who you choose to be followed by her do a space robot movie for kids because that movie's good so it does this argument only ever used on shit movies so yeah it's weird how that works yoda train yourself to let go of everything you fear to lose maybe we should start let star wars and all these franchises go so we can get new ones um the the whole star wars the whole letting go thing it's like uh the the main portion of money these franchises make it from people who probably aren't doing any kind of critical analysis and i'm not saying that as a progatory thing like i don't watch movies so um probably never gonna go away like these franchises will continue to make money i see that with like alien predator and illuminator they just keep coming back because of how good the originals were and they'll never be let go how many years have to pass before the general public don't know what star wars is like uh you have to wait for a while never yeah it'll take ages also high rags hello feminists want to eliminate the male gaze get it the the gays that are male me too luke killed most of his enemies he liked luke peter dinklage won best supporting actor for drama like i said i'm okay with that the one that i just didn't want them to get was best writing and sounds like they may not have gone that one but they got best drama which is bad yeah i'm not defending the star wars guy in any way but i see where he might come from men and women think differently their brains are not are different women don't care for substance as men but optics style of a substance in a lot of ways oh yeah there's definitely differences there's no way i'd be denying that um be a pie that is a reference to my video me shad six is not a letter shad come off it well we'll have to see if you can make a full video about it explaining the the letterness uh tlg fandom is Scientology for poor people change my mind oh no Scientology for poor people is just the worst because they don't you have to like buy a whole bunch of shit when it comes to Scientology pretty much you actually have to like buy your tears and then buy like materials and feed or whatever it's like college it's a scam i was gonna say i think that Star Wars probably has better lessons than Scientology does in a very broad sense i shouldn't really say that because i don't know anything about Scientology apart from Scientology is like the fakest thing ever i just know the bit about um the new and the aliens or whatever like they don't tell you that till you start forking out the imagine that like you really believed it and then they told you that bit after you paid like tens of thousands or whatever and you're like yeah i'm not really guys um moly you missed my super chat from last week oh no your one from last week was just wanted to say thank you moly for converting me from loving TLJ to death to despising it passionately we removed you remove joy from the world moller i definitely read that out uh because i found that funny i remember finding it funny i can't believe you removed joy but yes i did remove joy from the world i am so sorry also let's stop bullying jay also high rags hello and no we're not gonna stop bullying jay why would you request that is the gay uh i'm imagining myself repeatedly smashing this balding cucks head in on a bathroom sink while yelling gosh raw fuck yeah if my name was sage heiden all those people who call me a faggot would be right also high rags hi moly hello my fringy hot shad and hi robo head they'd all say hi back i bid thee all adieu i must do a bed tizm sleep well have a good night sleep tight and do not allow the bedbugs to bite you yes and ironically won't be surprised at this point if this guy said that star wars teaches us to have open borders kill babies and get rid of guns just do it star wars tells you all of my political positions i take from star wars like watching the ot as a kid as a kid who's like racism is bad that's right sweetie i'm glad we i'm glad you watch star wars so we didn't have to teach you that racism is a bad uh that's why thrawn was such an interesting character in the empire they didn't like aliens but he worked his way to be one of the highest ranked officers in the empire that sounds like it would make for a really good story like in a fully fledged high production film but i simultaneously i'm like but if disney do it yeah disney disney's gonna fuck it up in the original canon very few aliens ever got into the empire that's why thrawn was so famous because he was a high rank non-human all right uh this dude looks like a massive fagot also high rags hello empire should exterminate that zeno scum oof cis were militant anarcho capitalists yeah i'd uh maybe you know you maybe there was militant anarcho capitalists the uh the cis being the voids and the rampant anarcho capitalists militants i don't know i don't know i don't know about that i'd have to read more into their like actual policy positions yeah because this is the thing do we even know much about them outside of them being a rebelling force yeah all i know about them really politically is that they didn't want to be subservient to the republic they basically they wanted independence so i'd have to look further into their actual political and economic positions to make that judgment because i don't know uh i was radicalized by doth vader really rags the force is female also high rags hello yeah the whole force is female thing is like sorry boys well see it's almost for guys but if we make it for girls it's fine because you remember how in the ot they keep saying the force is male but do you remember all the times i say oh yeah the the famous scene with the um they the stuff yeah all those oh yeah all those many many scenes this is only for us i remember that and then there's that woman that turned up and then they all hit it and they were like go away this is what's a weird scenes like that that a lot of people remember i i often forget that that thing happened uh okay that was epic grand moff talking upon nuking older on my toaster's racist epic my toaster's racist it never burns my bread oh it is i don't i guess because the the bread never is never black it's black ish i guess um what is what is being black and racism have to do with anything i don't understand the connection nope i don't really any i don't get it i'm gonna hook up a rumor to a lawnmower paint it to look like r2d2 and program it to run over this guy's head while it reads the bell curve out loud jesus rock come on no violence double droids aren't sentient because of constant lobotomy they receive r2d2 is one of the few droids that was never memory wiped yeah i think they they they mentioned that because like c3po keeps getting his memory wiped right but they just don't with r2d2 for some reason i i don't remember the memory wiped stuff well they they say in revenge the sith uh at the end because obviously c3po and r2d2 well at least c3po should remember obi one obviously yeah yeah yeah damn it better one my toaster is racist it always burns my jewish eye your jewish eye you're saying what that means uh yoda was an orphan trained in the way of the force by the dawn i would explain a lot i was gonna say that i actually just fill in a lot of blanks um it should be legal to kill people like this guy come on raw that's not even creative you just want to make a lord and kill this particular guy yes slip and you slip emi for drama writing the iron throne lost oh hey there you go apparently the iron throne didn't get the writing the fact that it was even nominated what the hell is happening that's the case who honestly watched that and they're like yeah this is good writing this is good stuff this writing there's a shame that's where we're at with that can happen but i don't know why i'm complaining because i guess it's all subjective what are their standards there's no quality i was actually gunning for the whole like this isn't the first time and most of the time whenever someone's like oh you're gonna watch the oscas i'm like no why so they can watch them get it fucking wrong and it's the thing you can be like how you're not you don't know what their standards are you like you're right i don't they're not gonna tell anyone so why do they mean anything anyway it's like christy christy uh hey rags hello interesting fact there was a dog in world war one named rags that was the mascot for the u.s first infantry division mm-hmm that's true yeah but were the names from or nope but i do know of it that is that's very nifty if droids could think there would be none of us here would there obi one Kenobi seems pretty definitive droids don't have proper ai i've always seen that as the films leaving it ambiguous unless part of my issue with solo was the it seems way too definitive i like to think about r2d2 being sentient i don't like it if a character says this thing is a sentient droid rights droid rights like like oh movies didn't really go into it besides a few snide comments the eu covered it a lot more thrown as a kiss and his whole world's story revolves around the idea of it um yeah yeah uh fair enough a lot of people have been talking about that a storyline with throne regarding what you say about these people expecting everyone to have a woke interpretation of everything during dartmouth undergrad i had to write countless papers with the correct takes to get good grades uh to get good grades if we're to fix this mess we need to kill professors in minecraft i think the bullion off the road minecraft serve like the idea to kill the professors in minecraft and it changes their ideas um yeah i've seen the error of my ways yes raw this mother ather has the same energy as call call the cuck and aids grill x aids grill x i know he's talking about uh not saying i'd f his mouth but his mouth is wide open you guys send weird super Jesus that is fucking weird y'all are gonna give us a bad reputation yeah throw him off a roof already raw oh no too much roof throwing we need trampolines and and suicide nets and stuff nets in general or flood the whole place so they just fall in water i find it both amusing and sad that throughout all e-fap someone this we todd it isn't even top 10 dumbest takes oh right we this we taunted retarded i get it uh sorry i'm a bit slow right we taunted um what do you reckon in terms of this is the thing um i was gonna say that i'd be willing to do this down the line but if if someone made like one of those tier listings with all the people we've covered um it'll be interesting to see how it all stacks up but this guy's probably pretty bad right out of all the videos we've got yeah it's definitely a bad video not a very not a very interesting um attempt to defend it either well i i yeah i'm not even including that part i'm just going from the takes in the video a probably top five worst takes of like e-fap probably there were some weird ones in there um the fact that robber's steelship means they need it i don't reference to what is that reference to i don't actually think i know oh it was from ron ron's in chat ron what did that mean yeah tell me the truth sir is that like a bike cuck thing robot head should comment more love his incredulously amused voice also rags bane impression bust me up huh i'll keep that i'm not sure i might have i can't remember though oh ross saying it's the fact that he said women need propaganda means there's a discrepancy implying that if someone's stealing something then hey they need that something i follow um and yeah uh robot head was having trouble with his microphone a couple times and um i think there was probably a couple of times where like being five people makes it makes it tough for some people to jump in i know that i was trying to basically leave the um the debate part to uh less people to make him feel like less of a pylon if you will but some of those things i just had to get like some questions in you know some of those takes i just needed to there's some weird ones some answers um the fact that rapists need to great people means there's a need for them to great people i suppose you could extend this the the propaganda thing very far the fact people need to steal cars means there's a disparity because they don't have cars so they need to steal them because they need it if women love star wars why do they leave when they see my empire strikes back bedsheets i don't know man that's a good question a good question uh antobite could have been about the military industrial complex rip eisenhower but no they went full marxist well this is the thing um the criticism is so threadbare you profit of creating weapons that are assisting wars that's bad like oh there are films that or at least stories that tackle that in a much more um detailed way and explore the the wise and house and where the faults lie and what kind of um participation each person involved has instead of just going that person's rich because they sold a gun to somebody boo anyway as if it's that simple yeah selling weapons is emmy for drama directing game of thrones season eight all episodes lost oh did i thought that they'd won for one of the directing ones for free mention that did they not i'm assuming they didn't from oh that's who would again i'm happy for them to not get that yeah emmy for outstanding drama game of thrones season eight one this is like i said about outstanding could be a lot of things uh when i stab it's outstanding over there with all the other shitty ones when i stab hobos in the street axe colleagues in the head in my apartment and throw chainsaws onto the heads of whores from a top stairwells i'm gonna tell them all i did it because of this guy's video you're a strange man raw very strange man well he's taking someone down with you he's a bobby girl in a bobby willed his arguments are plastic because he's a spastic not hit that one before uh that last one was a patrick bateman reference to christopher nolan serial killer movies oh yeah i i call that um the it's it's an it's an interesting film no doubt um american psycho is one of those ones where most people probably benefit from watching it in terms of exploring the the the psychopath that is christian bale also you said reference to christopher nolan serial killer movies is christopher nolan maiden serial killer movies might be wrong i don't know either way i went to get for oh wait there you go this was the one i read out of order by the way uh i went to get food you're still going that's i should have read that now i've caught up i i think this i don't think this person understands the the the nature of the length of efap of course we're still going after you returned from eating you should be shocked if it was otherwise true based season eight best season reaffirmed once again the noble is trash after episode two all the great acting from scar scouting what couldn't save the garbage writing in a million years really i don't this is the thing if if there is garbage writing i'd have to be presented it because i i didn't see it um if it's about like the realism there may be elements of it that i'm completely unaware of but it seemed really solid to me yeah man you're gonna have to yeah because i i adored your noble which is not a statement you'd expect to make isn't no uh typically most people did not enjoy the event of chenobal but they made a tv show it was pretty awesome oh yeah the tv show is fantastic but i also enjoy the fact that we got a lot of dead calm just a second oh you should have said that to uh to the gas we had instead of the holocaust she said should people enjoy chenobal and then wait for him to be like for the tv show like no the event yeah like no no of course not um i'm about an hour behind when i saw chat explode about a game of thrones ammy i think i don't know but i'll find out when i get there more importantly i just beat orion the blind forest because both said it was awesome good or in the blind forest is awesome glad you beat it because that probably means you liked it uh hollywood is as incestuous as the royalty in game of thrones as very possible screw me lia clark loft mass of self-insert for pit mommies wine aunts and woke roasties everywhere her her what bendy my rightful throne i mean i still think i'm not i don't know if that's criticism of the character or her acting but i thought you're pretty well acting wise in in the final season uh he committed the fallacy fallacy what a massive yeah the fallacy fallacy is when reference of fallacy and dismiss every argument with it as opposed to you should be missing the relevant one i don't remember this subversive mother effa being open to conversation loft mass of i'm not having a conversation with you azhuk i'm beating you until i can stuff you inside a funko but you said that already raw you gotta you gotta swap it up you can't be keep stuffing people into funko pop boxes and throwing them off rooftops otherwise people are gonna accuse you of being boring you can't have that i like shadow versity his and id rottick's cases against mcu spider man despite not being very well expressed changed my mind so that's great but that being said he tends to be a bit long winded and seems unaware of how he inappropriately dominates the conversation at time i mean uh you could say that about any of us honestly a lot of us will go on what you could call a tangent or a rant or an explanation of a particular side and efab is the format for that one literally everything to take as long as it needs to take and um if shad is explaining something um i i literally wouldn't mind him taking an i'll just listen to what he has to say i was like that's of course very cool but yeah you know like i said it he's no more guilty of like running on with something that i think that i am as well like i don't i think it happened do you think we just go on and on and on and just don't stop um hey you can't beat some spaghetti bolognese true when we'll be in the charade when will you finally say that enough is enough and quit this and go home to our families and your children when when don't you think we've just gone long enough child ren child ren child kylo ren yep child kylo ren molar i might hate this guy more than patrick willams i mean oh no no patrick willms would you imagine patrick willms coming on efab holy shit that'd be so funny you guys are watching movies wrong i just feel like i can't believe you're here like sorrow land it's very strange very strange indeed uh fkm this guy monday matt adam conover i don't know is that a question isn't that the adam ruins everything guy i don't know i think he is are you are is this guy asking to have them as guests monday matt and adam conover or i can't imagine why monday matt be guesting on efab i don't like what full bad do you think but what what what environment uh scenario do you think he'd come on efab for adam conover no monday matt what would i have him come on for like i was trying to say like what reason would he come up to efab for every like i don't know oh just some some little some just some pathetic attempt at clawing his way back up into good graces but he fk i was gonna say like i can't even imagine picking his brain on anything like it would be a strange experience uh yes chateau vesti makes great points definitely yes uh damn i work tomorrow hope y'all are still live then well uh it'll be up on mula as soon as that at least uh i hate him so much not even the dawn will be able to pull me off this mewling soy guzzler once i chimp out and start going ungebunger on him okay i take it back you've been very creative brah uh the bible is a sword like weapon that's that's that's like your opinion one of the things that annoys me is that the big laser in tlj is referred to as miniaturized death star tech then it's just a big heat laser it is nothing like the death star laser did they not watch the ot no they probably actually didn't know i don't actually think that they did because let me turn off my a c if i if i reference death star to a lot of people who haven't seen the ot in more than a decade even they probably still don't know what it is but they also if i showed like a consistent laser firing at a wall and said that's made of death star stuff they probably like okay like oh yeah it's a red laser it's the same thing right yeah and it's a laser go boom that's interesting though because i don't even think i brought that up in my tlj stuff that yeah it's strange to call a death star tech when it doesn't operate at all like a death star but i suppose they literally just mean laser look laser that one's a laser that one's a laser okay um high dog wizard dog wizard who take the title world hello i wasn't quite ready for this but i mean you know oh i i i'm a wizard rags you're a wizard doggo australia equals the deep fake continent created by the cia you've ever seen australia and reality in the same room i haven't dad people like van itchism manachinism people like manachinism it's easier to make enemies out of people you disagree with than to try and see their perspectives and argue properly well they certainly can't argue like these people are never really able to articulate their points very well more than thoughts on doomcocks report about captain marvel mcu is my childhood but watching it start to burn after going sjw does put a smile on my face so all i know about this is that doomcock a source from doomcock has said that disney are now very concerned about the the the potential of captain marvel when she has no spider man to help get it to be more likable spider man being booted is making them worry that captain marvel maybe isn't this and focus on or something like that i think that's what his source said um and the mcu are not sure what they're doing right now with captain marvel they're not to me i'd just be like oh they finally realize that that is the case it's not a matter of whether or not you think that's the case that is the case she's a disaster of a character so good luck with that again i'll be curious to see how they deal with it they try and make more movies for her how they try and make her a leader it's gonna i say that and even though i like yeah i i think that she is just the harbinger of terrible things to come get craig neon and giki sparkles from clownfish tv on efap i think people have mentioned clownfish tv before um again we're on board with most guests we'll just have to get around the name is familiar yeah i was gonna say i'm not familiar with their work but hello every if by men you mean insecure man babies then yeah um he did seem to want to specify that whenever he said man he was talking about a specific set of people he spoke to that seemed to be from what he even referred to himself as troll accounts i found that interesting when you said yeah this are their troubles that he was like maybe not yeah he was he was pretty yeah he was he pretty much said oh yeah a lot of them are troll accounts i was like oh so you know that a lot of them are troll accounts so why do even you know it's just one of those things where you just like oh this is just you well that was like three times in that he said something and i'm like oh you just said but but no okay i'm just going by what you say mate i'm just i'm just listening to your words so i'm just listening i think i think he acknowledged that as well because he said at the end it's like you were holding my feet to the fire with like the quotes that you remember i mean was like have you got a quote of me saying this thing at one point and i was just like oh man he seems so defeated he was like have i said this stupid thing yeah it's like is this are you guys talking about another tweet that i said it's like i doesn't matter at this point just defend it or just agree with it or disagree with it and i mean just you know sometimes it's okay to just in the moment even in even the start thing right should they do it he didn't even he gave the most pathetic answer to it is like willver makes money they should he had a couple of meandering answers and there were people in chat being like you need to stop him from doing it and it's like you have to there is a certain amount of etiquette sometimes where we can't do that every single time every time he tries to speak and he immediately starts off with like we've got a different direction and i stopped him once said like where i know where this is going he's like no no let me we'll see like yep it went exactly where i thought it was gonna go and now we got to re-ask the question again yeah and this is the thing and he didn't even really answer it if we're gonna have people on to talk about their perspective we're gonna have to let him talk even if the answer isn't anything like what we were looking for sometimes and then after his answer we can be like as i did like three times like answer the question and all that yeah and i think i think we didn't try point that out a bunch of times we're just like this is a strange way to avoid the question didn't really answer the question there but he did come on i do want to maintain that that was that was pretty awesome of him to do because most won't and i want to encourage that more discussion good ignore him bad if people are being very timid and non-committal and a lot of their answers you can't just go full blast on them they just won't know they just won't know how to fucking deal with it and they'll leave and then the agent it isn't gonna help i mean some sometimes you got to read the room you know um all these are the texans of brits but weaker i've heard that said before all these are the texans of texans of brits iron man three better than monday and matt i agree okay why would that have been a thing that why did monday back come up twice did we bet why did he come up why did he just get pulled up out of where um what do you guys think about the neck flick show disenchantment i watched one episode and i didn't like it so i didn't continue it i'm a huge fan of og simpsons and futurama so i was like disenchantment also uh cj has a video on disenchantment and finally yeah it was one of the first videos i watched from him and i was like ooh what he said uh he said something in the video like i'm gonna try and explain the objective flaws of this show i was like oh shit yay molly you're definitely on all the lists by now so please make plans to flee the euro kuk union before they abduct you and throw you into the gulag i'll be hopefully you'll be out eventually yeah i mean one of these will be free they won't be able to put me in a gulag if if we're all independent stuff right right yeah you'll just go straight to the uk gulags because you've made a bad tweet but at least they'll be uk gulags not eu gulags i am making a functioning efap monopoly when the card game is done interesting we can play that oh but if it's like a live like if it's physical how do we do that i guess now if you if you were to give us if you were to give us like an overlay that we could put over the actual game maybe and let us have free control of the pieces then we could pretty much do whatever rules we wanted like if we all have control over everything yeah like um like if we were just able to move pieces around and we could control the numbers in our bank account then we could we could play the game with whatever rules we wanted yeah i think so i'm not sure how that would work exactly because i assume the tabletop simulator game is capable of being modded right have your own game i'm not sure um yeah we could do that uh yay efap having a tumblr of rhino milk whilst working late after a long afternoon of playing dead cells also hi moeller hello that's 2 30 it's late it's 8 28 am for me now oh no uh yay efap having a tumblr away i read that one already also hi moeller hello shad give us some essay for detail oh is that the um well i'll just i'll save it so i can answer that and i'll fit whatever way he wishes um leaf here do you euro fags wish you had guns like rags what's your favorite oh well i guess i'm the only person who can answer that now yeah what's your favorite well i mean i can still have a favor even if i can't use any of them going strictly from like my knowledge from video games would probably be um i don't know though i don't think i do have a favorite i like the like six shooter revolvers style things they just they have a cool factor yeah yeah very superficial reason but um like guns from games that i gravitate to whenever i play like uh fps games i typically revolve towards rifles um i don't think that means and um do i wish we had guns i mean if i had like a some form of a guarantee that it would improve things cool i don't think the um is like because i'm i'm pretty much of the perspective that uh banning all guns everywhere is probably not going to solve crazy murderers but like are you asking if would i be would i do i think that like britain should be able to legalize it and stuff it'd be like it'd be interesting and probably should be a slow a slow process because just suddenly introducing you know that kind of thing might have you know bad repercussions so uh i got my armor light 15 today do you know what that is i do well ar stands for armor light rifle so he's prior referring to an ar 15 ah which case uh fine fine guns i've got two and probably will end up with more rags is based i miss wolf mde never dies mde i mean that's not to do with guns mde i don't know what what was the con say that one more time well it says rags is based i miss wolf mde never dies mde never dies uh i'll keep an eye on chat see if anyone that would line up with it lips of million dollar extreme million dollar million dollar extreme what that is either i don't know what i don't know what that means yeah um anyway the i love that i have more efab to watch but hate that i have more to catch up on because i'm back at 48 you massive long man you're also an orphan i thank you i appreciate that bone density related health um it was some people posted on the subreddit like um like i'm a new fan of efab do i have to watch all the episodes to get the new ones that i can't believe we've made something that that's a question like i need to watch the older seasons in order to understand the character development the new seasons that sort of thing uh yeah there's people who are like trying to point out the episodes that have the most significant meme developments i think or just ones that um on a ship happens i hope you're enjoying it uh doing a meme vid can you say i am mohler in a very dramatic way you're looking for like the iron man one assuming it's going to be when he snaps he does the whole breath things like i am iron man um do you see that they can't you can't use that you can't use that because you said iron man instead of mohler oh i wasn't actually doing my one yet the uh like there's a video where he does multiple takes of that it's like also that it came the like a extra filming shit like that wasn't originally in the script and it's funny because of how it seems like it obviously would have been like do you know that the original was he says i am inevitable and then he just snaps wow that seems like the perfect slot for yeah and like um i think it was their sound designer or somebody who suggested they should have him say i am i am i how did that not of course that's better yeah it's just like that seems perfect oh man um jack st tried to boot rags off efab but since joe is for me jay that you're to keep him on during a potential debate that never happened is that the origins of uh jb manager because we would have never had me not be on that's the thing like it was never it was never going to happen the idea that you could just kick off one of the posts is yeah it's not happening that wasn't ever going to be a thing that ever happened yeah and not to mention we were like there's not even you know like say for example if you had like a really awkward or back and forth history with like loads of bad blood it'd be like oh there's something to discuss there but literally no reason they were just like oh toy rugs like you have to do yeah they were just like we we know we know why they won't but there was no way that we were yeah it's just come on um yes i should say i am mohler even though that sounds kind of really gay but like in a good way like objectively gay i take rags aside yeah i'm i'm i think i get that a moment to kind of process and i think that yeah i think it works i think you're good i think i'll this should be a keeper this should be a keeper yeah it's for metal damn my dyslexitism oh yeah this system dad did you get hooked up with a bonsai saves that for him bonsai is a type of weapon right a bonsai it's kind of tree give a um is the name given to a the kind of or am i thinking where's he actually getting a tree i all i know is that i just know that bonsai is a it's a little tree and you could trim them and they're supposed to be all you get all feng shui with your bonsai bushes you know does it help keep a people mind i think it's supposed to be something like that something about i don't know maybe it's just calming and everything fits together and everything has its place and it's feng shui as people who have expressed as people who have experienced discussing criticizing and explaining various topics what would you say are the most important things to focus on when making those kinds of videos say one more time just so i gather it all as people who have experienced discussing criticizing and explaining various topics what would you say are the most important things to to focus on when making those kinds of videos i just say make sure that you're not contradictory and make sure that your logic um when driven to its natural conclusions kind of checks out um just always be yeah i guess just be just be consistent just have good valid arguments and clearly you know clear structures to the things that you're saying accurate don't be ambiguous or necessary yeah yes well they'll lead you to a good place typically and as you're as you're saying it out loud as you're doing all that stuff you know try to poke holes into it always try to do like a always have a little devil's advocate in your head you know just says goodbye rags oh goodbye happy rhino day you massives happy rhino day hey fringle i really like your brown table video i'm sure he would appreciate um i think the helicopter lightsaber is a lot more we've seen that one thing is it rebels it's either rebels or the chrome walls i think it's rebels but they have like a circle sort of device lightsaber comes out of each end of it and it can spin around and let them fly oh my god are you fucking with me it's pretty silly and i'd love it if they like they put a depth of night how does it how does it provide lift the force how do you like you can't just spin four things and expect it to zoom upwards um i don't know if someone in chat might have a like a law answer or if it's absolute rubbish like are like is are the are the blades of the lightsaber like tilted like fans so they can provide lift upwards where does the power come from i just so many that's so fucking stupid that's like a joke that's like a joke somebody would do that's like a star wars parody thing i feel bad that you didn't know about that because that's been around for a long time now and uh it's just so silly but this is the thing it's in rebels that a lot of people do not like rebels i have it seed rebels so it's just like yeah out of my mind i don't know anything about rebels yeah i i know i'm not everybody's just saying it's actually rubbish so it's actually rubbish well glad we have confirmation we've got confirmation as a female fan i despise new star wars but okay i guess i don't count to this guy because i'm not the right kind of woman apparently he didn't speak to um i guess no those women or at least they were much more reasonable um partly a joke equals close to infinity someone else said that rebels is time travel canon yeah i saw that thing from rebels where they're like time travel and like whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa let's uh let's tap the brakes there uh maybe slow this uh slow this crazy train down for so archangel said partly a joke is is equal to close to infinity the reason why i wouldn't agree with that is because let's say a friend of yours is uh getting a little drunk maybe a bit too much and you go hey man copped out a little bit and then they're like like whoa dude like what were you coming from with this usually you're like okay i was just sort of kidding just take it easy like um the idea that you can say something and you mean it from a place where it's like coming from a sort of serious place but you also are okay with it coming across as a like light criticism you're partly joking like close to infinity makes no sense but partly a joke i can see that being applicable in certain scenarios when you say like if i say that action rags is committing is wrong and then i go i was partly joking like so were you saying it's wrong or not like that it doesn't make sense but um i'm partly joke about other things i think it's in sonar i knew i wasn't the only one who heard it in its two angel of the morning playing also your joe sorry i i knew i wasn't the only one who heard it it oh it right you capitalize it i'd be able to recognize that i got totally confused in it too yeah they play angel of the morning for like two seconds it's playing also you're joking on the women's superiority thing right i am not 100 on which fine but it sounded ridiculous then probably hi rags hello and also mohler hello also boo i would like to say yuka is not that bad all right cool two dollars for you massives thanks for the vids no problemo uh rags would you mind saying for a meme i'm on a pilgrimage and big idiot trail interesting phrase i need to say i'm on a pilgrimage i'm on a pilgrimage and what is the what is the second one big idiot trail big idiot trail big idiot trail i guess i guess i got the thing of the context in which we would say is it like you're reading a trail maybe maybe i'll look at the sign and you're like oh big idiot trail mohler thanks for all you do by the way chat member when epstein died in uh fed custody right before testifying about an international pito blackmail ring run by maz olzad and then kevin spacey's accused of randomly died too ha ha he he poo poo i think he's saying that the conspiracy around things seem very odd in relation to all that do they not um well that's uh where some shenanigans going on at mohler while your season eight episode three rage was definitely unbridled episode four was bridled episode five was certainly thoughtfully considered i love them all yeah i guess progression became the longer something takes the more the less emotional i suppose it becomes because yeah i think people see the episode three rage that i did is i'm more angry than i am with tlj almost this interesting uh that works i might know but i was definitely pissed off in the um what they did with game of thrones i love them all best wishes to wolf and hi rags hello uh good job shad on asking brandon about tlj save that i now have six things for raya's shad to hear about they should just okay rags fill me full of your hunk spunk hunk spunk make me tight as a tick a human water skin of dog oh come wow hi dale your video sucked but hopefully you're a good dude uh suspicious on whether this is actually dale i think it was i think it was dale but i could get being suspicious at the beginning i i actually was when you had like this really terrible microphone i was like uh oh did i just add some random person called dale but uh yeah he seemed to recognize most of everything but um i want rags robot head and doomcock real voice to narrate my life maybe you can get that out get them to record a bazillion phrases and then put them into some kind of ai did with jordan peterson right and then he took a shit he decided to have himself a wank before bed it went well but you'd have variants like this one probably not the best idea he would have to wank harder to get any results hey that's like kind of like a cheat guide you listen to your the person narrating your life like tips and then you get really worried when he says something like he was not prepared for what would happen next you're like oh shit what is it did he know this would be one of the most memorable wanks of his life oh that turns out for really bad reasons um yeah he ripped his dick oh no dale's new video men are ruining microphones didn't get it fixed so maybe men are fixing yeah we're also the ones building him so i think we have a bit of a oh boo who they're being mean to the holes the holes oh are you talking about women rars referring to women man men did ruin star wars their names jj and ryan oh oh shit get fox grub stupid holes either get into the slave layer costume or get out of my star wars laugh my ass off okay okay hey shad what's better at deflecting this guy or a good old fashion shield that's not bad i like it it's funny yeah it's deflecting hashtag never believe women what all right raw dale what would you tell the women who dislike disney star wars more particularly tlj i feel like i'm being preached to in these new movies i think if you were here he would have said they're absolutely allowed to dislike them but even tlj for whatever reasons they have this is uh i was trying to say like that's why i didn't want to bring on that star wars girl to have her like make several arguments against tlj just to have him be like that's fair that's okay i appreciate that like if he had maintained that women enjoy star wars or something it maybe would have been a better idea but he didn't he didn't seem to be the guy in that video i'm a long way since then perhaps maybe dale you're embarrassing me in front of the wizards rags what high-end mouse do you recommend g600 well i don't know i don't that's thing i don't know if i'd call it high end because it's only like 35 bucks or so but that's the one i'm using right now and i've gotta i gotta spare just in case and i really like him mola if disney offered you five million dollars to give episode nine a glowing review would you take it no and uh you might be like really why not that would like set you for life as well as many of your friends and family i'd be like uh probably but um the the way it would work it's like i'd have to completely ruin integrity wise because i'm assuming the whole point of this question i would have to be doing it in a very unironic way so making that video would be a nightmare because i'd have to like assuming that the film isn't very good and then to like defend that position and it would totally kill my channel because i would have to make so many bad arguments i probably kill a lot of my relationships so yeah i just and i wouldn't be comfortable with myself and you'd be like why did you do it for money it's like yeah if someone i know isn't under life essential cancer treatment it'd be a pretty tough sell yeah i was gonna say they might be an exception to make the only thing that could convince me is if you were like 100% like this money is clean cut provided no taxes and it's it's legal and that you can filter it out to all these different people care about yeah can i do anything i want with it it's like because ultimately like you could do a lot of good but i might even make a video after that would be like i did it for these reasons uh you know but like i'm assuming there would be a stipulation i wouldn't be able to do that i don't know interesting question though i survived movie bob quintan jack saint eric taxon patrick willams massive anderson brown table yet this dude makes me tap out for the night and someone added brown tables face on homelander's body because he literally said that he would i laser people to death over perceived slides but easily make that meme video especially with certain scenes from uh just when i think i can't stand rags as anecdotes about gay sex anymore he goes ungebonger on intellectually slippery guests and brutally nice them with the quickest sharpest arguments based that's from rah apparently he likes he likes what you did in the debate there you go well i and i i thought i heard that i was being too soft but i'm i'm glad some some people you just gotta some people you yeah i mean i i think we all kind of were but it's probably because you know it's because of his disposition i think you could actually hear it in a lot of the ways we were saying things that me you and shad started to back off a little bit because it was kind of like i don't feel bad you know which i shouldn't have to feel bad for like a grown man in a discord call but you know it was like uh get especially compared to like some of the other debates we've had on this channel it's a bit different um anyway become what you must become the warrior of longness uh cool that's referencing um one sec okay well while you're gone chat and i will just uh we got rags equals Dennis Reynolds i don't know who that is i hope it's nice person i hope he's handsome he's got a big ass dick let's see we got okay i will order that then thanks rags to oh yeah i really like the g600 one thing that's great about it is i really like the 12 buttons on the side very very helpful in games but it also has that third mouse click button on the top for your ring finger that has spoiled me and it will spoil you too that shit has come in handy just it's just so useful the whole thing is useful this mouse has spoiled me for other mice so i would absolutely recommend the g600 love it saying i was brought to the gulag where were you well we uh rags what is the hour on your end it is uh 250 am and i have i woke up and i was in a car ride driving home and once i got home i pretty much hopped on efab so i'm hungry uh he'll probably leave by the time you read this but please tell shad that just like theo he's based and god bless his fam and the shadlets on your mate the shadlets sure he appreciates the shiglet the shiglets um at moeller have you seen the loved ones check your discord for the link please watch with wolf and rags i think you'll love it it's terrifying properties uh is it a tv show it's got terrifying properties is it a food that's terrifying properties what about that man i'm not sure an eye for the eye an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind no it doesn't because there's gonna be one guy left with one eye because that's true have an eye to be able to poke out the last other eye very true have you seen second seven psychopaths ranks i have not seen seven psychopaths that uh i saw Jurassic Park though what i just said is actually it's very funny anyway uh read them fight that is a reference to godjira read them fight you don't get to vilify a whole group and chicken out when people directly confront the base of your argument be a man you wimp kind of high wish to be incendiary i believe yeah i said it to be incendiary and it wasn't true and i don't mean it but i it's like really you don't mean it because your whole video implied that you kind of did just kind of just sort of kind of happy birthday shad so glad you're not dead but would have been interesting to see the rise of shadlings to seek revenge on spooderman huh how do you not watch always sunny rags i just don't watch a lot of things i'd rather play games than watch shows this is the most embarrassed i've ever been for another person dear aliens who want to help us evolve i am sorry hashtag not my dale what not my dale um i came here from rk outpost you're cool to watch rk outpost i don't know is that a content creator or a channel or a website i i really don't i've been catching up on previous efap episodes and visiting the efap website i have come to the conclusion that rags is the best guest mahalo you lower oh there you go rags you're the best guest oh i'm the best guest and we've had many great guests to be the apex guest is uh i like i like shad slash fringy when will granola riots to electric boogaloo happen we'll save that question i don't know if it's serious or a meme but either way a nice chunky stream always satisfying to hear good hail molla shout out my channel please the dire wolf tv has what looks to be a ball for a head with one of them graduation caps on the top of it dire wolf tv uh re what you said about going into the lion's den and arguing many people at once i think the reason the people you cover genuinely don't like that is because they're usually people who don't argue with points but rely on feels sophistry crowd appeasement etc that's the framework discourse whatever in which they operate and in that framework strength always lies in numbers not arguments i actually think that's a pretty good point and that's from rah by the way like uh when you have 10 people saying something that's not substantiated it doesn't matter and people have said it's or yeah and once and once you i mean if you formulate your whole stance your whole argument your whole point on you know feelings and things like that once someone says i don't care it's like what do you have you just you're done um interview with amelia clark at the emmy's guy asked how she felt about the backlash she said it was flattering how much the fans care about how the characters should have behaved based on previous season it's a nice thing to say she um i know for a fact that she doesn't want to say something along the lines of the fans need to calm down all the fans is above all because of the fact that her uh she was over the moon with how free folk the subreddit set up a load of donations to her charity um because they they wanted something good to come out of the fact that season eight was such a disaster and i think she was aware of that connection and so she's probably like these aren't bad people they just got something fucking nightmare for them to watch so um and i know for a fact that she didn't think that what happened to today this was good so it's yeah we know she was she was drinking and everything i don't blame her at all i mean the same way i'm like this is the person that i've spent this but this is what happened what what just like this how's quick um yeah if there's a clip for uh for that i'll probably see it eventually i'll make the rounds if it's something if you can but if not it's about space wizards for women you get to look at for the ultimate piece of media that um please upload this later i only just woke up absolutely we haven't covered anything that's copyrightable so this will absolutely be going uh e-fap in your house bitch you hear that shit you punk ass essayists are going down like way down dead down so down you ain't gonna know which way is up your ass is gonna be crying to your skank ass queen oh planky don't let the long man reviewers fuck you we're gonna review your planky ass whoo whoo review your planky ass it is rather planky game of thrones won best drama because of the drama from backlash not the actual show that's fair uh also it's a bit silly to criticize doctor strange a movie for doctor wizards yes it's a silly movie for doctor with doctor with y'all forget spider man coming out is an e-fap meme oh i mean that's one of the most commonly mentioned memes i don't think we would have forgotten if it sounded like we took it seriously we were probably in on a an in-depth meme uh incredible hulk is the most underrated mcu movie um i don't know man i i i because i did rewatch it for the mcu and that movie is uh the height of meh i don't like Thor 2 maybe our massives people there are kind of people the massive kind get some rest you lovely lads oh soon soon sir soon mola what yeah hopefully soon all projects are you currently working on so i have created six videos for e for for the mula channel two of them came out one of them was i think me frags and frags wow me fringy and wolf looking at three trailers and the highlights of metal stream we still got me rags and fringy checking out the leading the tramp trailer then i've got the debate between me and wolf and just right the debate between me and wolf and that guy i forget his name the e-fap movies for doom e-fap movies for fellowship of the ring and i'm still needing to edit the next two and there's another one that is supposed to kept partially secret i don't know if he wants it to be a secret but it's to do with j but i've edited up my side of it he needs to just do something on releasing a video but it's a it's a mula reaction mini thing frags probably knows what i'm talking about oh i love sex demon sex demon alien um i don't think i don't think j actually wants it to be a secret i'm just gonna be careful to make sure i don't say if he wanted it to be anyway i've just been making all of them and there's a couple more i want to make um once they're done gonna get started on my next big project so i need like another week or two but um they'll be coming out every wednesday i think until they're all out and it's just more supplementary content for e-fap and honestly you'll love it yeah i was i'm really happy with how the fellowship of the ring that movies turned out it's i'm hoping you watching them i was just oh man i love the rewatching it and the doom you got just just thinking about them both is oh they're that stuff is gold um and yeah the uh the debates the mule wolf were in the they i've edited them up i've cut out as much like silence and awkward double takes as much as i could just to make it more streamlined they were a few silences i had to keep though because they're part of jokes or wolf singing songs where things happen and um i don't know it's just that i think i think i managed to cut about 20 plus minutes from both of them and it was just adding like you can say it about but yeah they'll just be available through mula now um yes i'm excited to get all of that stuff out it'll happen over the next few weeks went to sleep 30 minutes before stream glad to see ending yes when you do there uh rambo last blood was a letdown story wise just letting y'all know well oh no not the story i was gonna say rambo i only remember watching rabbo for just the action so hopefully uh hopefully that's all intact uh tfa critique three when uh what was it next year august i believe he does have an element of spider within him so it's good to take that series oh important to note right one of our problems with godzilla king of the monsters was that the story was shit but the fights were good we wanted seven minutes of the whole movie yeah we didn't necessarily realize that until rewatching it the fights were so little of king of the monsters holy shit um i think you have to get 41 minutes in for the first fight and there's there's barely any actual fighting so quick with rambo if you're like oh oh so maybe you like rambo if we like rambo you thought the action was good but it but the story was shit you said the same thing about godzilla i think there will probably be more than like 10 minutes of actual action and fighting in rambo very guaranteed that human shit in rambo is probably a lot better than the human shit in king of the monsters yeah because the human shit king of the monsters was like terrible awful the fact that i had to create a character that was pro ed of the world and that's suddenly not it's like oh okay they're gonna save the world damn it anyway also high and by rags bye rambo was mere hoped for logan but i got hostile thing you're saying it's gonna be very gory well last one was yeah i remember rambo there's four rambos right currently well there's five now um i think there's this the fifth one that's coming out i don't know oh someone in chat said rambo five was too thought so this rambo six i don't know honestly i guess i'll find out from chat um i still believe mozzarella sticks with sauce is pizza i don't see how that would be true at all i have either of you played papers please yes i haven't um i found it a lot of fun it's a really cool game for how small it is and am i crazy or did they intend to make a movie about it i remember watching like a trait five this is rambo five okay so this is the one that's come out now is rambo i thought it was because i remember watching four of them you never know um hi rags hello love the new video are either of you familiar with the youtuber doughnut operator yeah i am i've seen him on twitter i don't know much else what do you know about doughnut operator rags it's like a police kind of guy reviews police footage a lot of the times things like that arrests and criminal stuff since hollywood i like him since hollywood is dropping the ball on movies i thought there would be a rise of internet interest in independent movies separated from film festival garbage or maybe everyone just moved to youtube and streaming shows i don't think anyone's gonna hate mainstream movies so much that they'll never watch mainstream movies again because you never know it's always like a roll of the dice every time that we're like oh will this one be good hope it will we hope it will there's nothing standing in their way technically they could bring out a good movie like lord of the rings is mainstream fucking amazing looks like the normally you'd think that obviously the professionals would be really good at what they do let's like when you go to when you compare an nfl professional football game to like you know like a little league game or a bunch of children playing the game obviously the professionals will be really good at it but when you talk about film man the professionals are do a really shit job so much a breakfast now i returned good morning everyone good morning yeah morning the longer the efap the greater the tism bilbas my name is hitori bochi my favorite food is natto on rice i prefer my natto finely crushed save the mustard that comes with it so it's not wasted okay that's fair enough yeah that's fair enough man i don't know what any of that meant but it seems like you got a plan a man with a plan or that daddy very happy not sure if that's referencing something or if it's a strange super either way just a strange super chart hello you too i'm a trans woman here even though i have the perfect profile to be an sjw i think the sequel are terrible keep up the good content i love it thank you we shall do it we will make sure that the good content flows like beer in a place where beer flows a lot yes it will continue to flow like the spice when i heard you guys went starting until six here i joked about prepping for efap to end at 2am it's almost three expectations subverted i didn't know you guys were starving late as you did well yeah i uh it was because of them being australian uh we were originally gonna have just fringy and then i uh i asked if shad was available because i thought you'd be interested in the um angle and then i was like wait if we've got two of the australian then we're gonna be in prime time to have a third well other australian i was like we can try robot head the triple threat but yeah we can't necessarily run an efap at normal time and have australian guests because it's like the worst time ever for them at that point you know they're terrible people is what i'm trying to say you're on prison time they only they only get so many so many hours out in the yard different after eight hours i just don't have the stamina to keep efapping mauler and rags this is for both of you as thanks for watching tlj i found you both while looking for the answer to why keep up the great content thank you very much you're back glad you found what you were looking for i suppose i think that's the implication aid all the welts rags did you ever get your monthly thrust i'm still waiting on mine also hi mauler hello i don't believe i got my monthly thrust and i'm a very disappointed doggo going to bed thanks for the stream stay based raw well you got a fan right mauler thoughts on attack on titan and it's exceptionally good writing i've not watched it i'm afraid it looks neat really either thoughts on finn declaring he's rebels come in lj i didn't understand because i thought they were the resistance they don't need like they they swap between saying rebels and resistance a couple of times yeah they're kind of interchangeable but you just let's because they're just trying to exactly recreate the rebels so yeah i attempted to explain to a friend who thinks tlj is good that you can measure that using you can measure that using objectivity claims it's a pointless exercise since when whatever standard we use wouldn't be his some are too far gone also hi rags hello and yeah like you don't want to there are some relationships that are not worth going into the philosophical side of how you judge art if you don't want to you can just leave it alone like and plus he doesn't have to agree to the standard question can rags play akbar's theme i think we all know the answer to that also hi mauler hello in the e you i g88 was programmed with super advanced ai and almost led a droid rebellion uploaded himself into the second death star and conquered the galaxy really i had no idea okay when did that happen uh the only thing in chenobyl i'd call bad were certain conversations that felt goofy in episode two the scene in the helicopter felt like the dark night rises i like the helicopter scene you talking about the woman i like that scene he explains how a nuclear reactor works i don't know again that wasn't that wasn't just for the guy on the helicopter i thought it was kind of clever that was for june and plus it shows like it shows a lot about the character of um i forget his name uh but basically the um the assistant yeah the politician guy it says a lot about you know how he tackles problems mm-hmm oh yeah i thought he was great in that show stelin scarce oh i really liked it you know he's um he's he's wilton his dad in the parts the carabin film oh it's been so long since i've seen those movies yeah i didn't even think about it uh if you had the choice to either fix season eight of game of thrones or fix the sequel trilogy um ensuring great quality which would you pick like probably star wars i i know it's it's honestly a tough choice but the reason i'm kind of aiming almost partially altruistic here in the i know it would mean more to the world if if star wars was what we wanted it to be the the the continuation of the ot imagine like a perfect new trilogy that made people get nuts and we still always got the books for game of thrones at least yeah they're coming out right one day would you rather make out with a predator or an alien predator the predator seems to it seems like it that's that's what it's for i don't know just saying i mean yeah predator i mean plus the alien with the second mouth and everything is just plus i'm totally into to strong babes you know i'm the one who criticizes shadow vistas verbosity and i get that you like him and want to give him free reign to say whatever but i think there's a line he crosses your audience is more interested in hearing you and rags go on at length southpaw has the same problem be aware you're a guest um i don't i don't know that i would agree with that the uh when when shad comes on i'd say that a vast majority of the audience seem to be very invested in his takes as i think is fair because he's very informed on a lot of the subjects yeah i think that people i like i like listen into what i say i mean he's not like a bad guest normally when he talks about stuff there's a point to it or he's trying to express an idea of some kind and he's certainly not wasting air time yeah like being genuine now i actually don't feel like he over spoke really at all even um i think he even did a couple times like when oh you know you go first sort of thing with some people um i think i think he gets the etiquette honestly that's that's just my take yeah i wouldn't have even thought about it uh holy shit you guys are still going i should expect nothing less from the long man and the great doggo also hi rags hello oh yeah we going we're going and going this crazy train i got no breaks did disney copyright the last efap they did and uh they've monetized it which is fine because they allowed it to be viewed uh worldwide which is all i wanted they blocked it at first this is the funny thing the two strikes that hit on it said that we monetize it and we block it i was like okay like what if what you give the monetized parts pretty point you played yourself and they will uh once you appeal it they're like okay fine it's available but we monetize it and it's funny because it's like nine hours or whatever and they're monetizing literally like a 10 second straight part and it's like yeah you guys you really need that ad sense right there the whole thing belongs to you because of that moment and it's a meme video that's the funny part like it's literally a fucking parody mashup it's got nothing to do whatever it's fine and it's and the other funny part by the way is that it's about end game we were defending that film in that stream go ahead go ahead disney take it take it away take you take your fucking money uh great show guys hope you like the site overhaul oh yeah that's uh that's kibbutkins again efab.me is uh ad updates again look wanky most impressive the um is a section for uh people we've covered now and uh they've got how many videos we've covered and which efabs they were covered in the amount of statistics developing on efab.me is like statistics you didn't even know you wanted you got them so swanky um if i tweet you a video of my doggo will you play it on efab for the cuteness um we prefer i mean if it was a youtube video and it was short i'd consider it in the meme section i'd consider it but the thing is if i ever actually agreed to this fully then i could start getting spammed with videos like that so thinking about it i'd probably say no because i don't have to kill like a tidal wave it's not like efap meme related uh greetings from the russian essay community my long man's you two not speaking my language helps me sleep without fear oh all right yeah wow this has gone long hi rags hello rags king of the massives hello king of the masses that is true though you two watched hardcore henry if so thoughts i have not i haven't watched it no rewatch lord the rings cries so much at the end 15 minutes no it's quite the nicer resolution epilogue always gets me always gets me i meant finn says he's rebel scum yeah yeah yeah i uh he says it uh after he's beaten down phasma right um because she says what does she say you're like something rebel that he's like rebel scum i can't even remember the context that he walks my brain is melting and i haven't seen tlj now in possibly over a year or nearly a year i haven't seen it in ages so long it feels weird actually like yeah we talked about it so much but we haven't seen it in so long um but yeah it's it's a cringe line this is a fucking cringe dialogue throughout uh your mama um rags bedtime was like three hours ago howdy from tx yeah it was right yeah tx is texas and it was that long ago um how much are you guys thinking of charging dale for that therapy session seems you walked him through a lot of issues dr mauler and nurse rags i uh i don't know if we've we would have changed his mind on anything he seemed to be against himself already to begin with right like that i think that if responded to that video if he went into another call with some other people who are arguing things from us i think he would have had the exact same stuff to say i think he would have just kind of subtly folded in a different direction i probably wasn't um i don't think it was like like a huge moment for him coming on here and having to be like uh yeah i'm gonna have to deal with these things that i said that that while ago i guess the the highlight for me was just the lm like you would never say this thing right he was like no other than like oh i did it happens um and yeah that was uh the last super chest i just got a couple of me real quick all right only reviewing a movie about space wizards for children oh yeah this uh i was made aware this is a stretch goal or uh oh well i guess a goal on patreon i think for patrick willams where once he'd reached a goal he's gonna have his parents see avengers end game like that was patreon goal i thought that was really strange that is an odd one like okay whatever float you boat that's and we got this you are from upside down land well from my point of view you're upside down land well then you are lost yes then may at least the honey mustard a few more updated wizard takes of course milk wizard and the geode wizard this is gonna be a whole family of wizards he's not really cute these drawings are really cute yeah they are they got loads of character yeah i really like him the fucking carton of milk with a rhino on it it's like that's that's like the symbol the dog whistle of efab you're like that's efab right right oh that if you hate star wars you just hate yourself ismond freudian mentor of big ideas like his eyes if you hate star wars you just hate yourself that's the same like oh yeah definitely that you've solved it i just hate myself in the beginning is just the prelude to the extended middle freudian the elder freudian uh and yeah don't panic there are obviously more memes from today i don't think i've gotten to every one of them from different sources the annoying thing for me now is they don't just come through twitter and i'm trying to keep care of everything um but we'll we'll try and maybe do a meme section next ish time guest five just said it's only the middle it's it is technically but now i'm gonna bring it in to the end um thank you all for watching this 10 hour efab for some reason the efabs keep going really long now and we didn't even cover the other video that was set to be today and i thought it was gonna be a short efab because of that you say that you say that every time and it just never it never is but like where is that it seems like that's gonna be that i didn't think that we would have so much to talk about with this guy's video i didn't think that was gonna happen i thought he was oh it blew my mind but oh mawler you and you and your thoughts i am a naive man your efabs are only an attempt to disguise the fact that you hate yourself i'm so scary uh no everyone donate to keep read it out and so yes thank you all for watching thank you very much for the kind donations the wonderful memes and artwork and the um well first of course wonderful guests and for the respective moments and times the links are all in description for the things we talked about today in the different channels and um really say both you dumb boes need to watch hardcore henry i'll probably watch it one day i'm sure i'm sure the next 24 hour efab will be an accident i don't think we'll ever accidentally do a 24 hour i think that i think i think at one point during a potential accidental 24 hour efab will oh fuck i need to i need to like maintain bodily functions survival is kicking in i need to do other things i need to eat drink sleep because i i seriously do have to sleep like i've been i was away out of town when i woke up this morning and i we drove back and once i got home i was expecting to come into an efab midway in the middle but no no no i was it was the middle the entire thing oh yeah we're all it's always the middle uh i'm doing my part are you i'm getting married today hi rags oh hello sorry to hear that but don't worry it'll all turn out okay yes um and yeah with that thank you for watching everybody this will be live on moola as soon as it can be and we will see you next week uh tulip cheerio bye