 Everyone my name is Marco Zenaro and I'm really glad to welcome you to this first open science seminar of 2022 organized by the science technology innovation unit of ICTP and the ICTP library so thank you Eva for being here and for co-organizing this this seminar. So you might remember that last year in 2021 we had Ana Pexich from UNESCO presenting about the open science recommendation of UNESCO and we learned at the time that the next phase would be making it operational. So it's good to have a recommendation and the second phase is to make it a reality. So I'm really glad to have today Davide Poleto and his colleagues presenting the Reliance project which is in the framework of the European open science cloud which again is about making the UNESCO recommendation on open science operational. So we're going to learn about digital assets for sustainable development and we're going to learn about you know scientists practical experiences. There's a few words about Davide. So Davide holds a European doctorate in sustainable development governance affairs from the Fosca University in Venice. He has been collaborating with a different national and international institutions and organization. He served UNESCO for 12 years in the Venice office as a consultant program and project officer in science focusing especially on scientific collaboration in Europe and Southeast Europe. He has been promoter of many innovative training and activities in different fields ranging from DRAM to a sustainable energy open science and so on. And now he serves as an international consultant and as an active environmental campaigner and he's given this talk as part of a team of the Horizon 2020 Reliance project under Alpha Consult UK and we're going to learn about the Reliance project from Davide and from his colleagues as well. So Davide please the floor is yours. Thank you very much Marco. I thank you everybody here online for having taken an hour of their time of your time of your schedule to be with us today. And as you rightly pointed out we're here today to see also from the title to come out with some tangible and practical tools we call digital assets. They are the fruit of a work of in particular this European project called Reliance but in reality is abandoned in a bigger ecosystem. So if you allow me to introduce very briefly the program today we would like to achieve with this. So I'm going to introduce about five minutes the so-called possible interrelationship that we might have between the open science cloud and digital assets embedded into it with the UNESCO and ICTP recommendation and strategy for open science. The introduction to Reliance services that will be done by Raul Pana is the coordinator of Reliance project so pleasure to be to be with us today and and Reliance services is in use so we will showcase how Reliance services can work at conservative partners of science and scientists at a daily work and here we have a researcher scientist from the University of Norway Harn for you who will introduce us how she worked with this and she show she will showcase it. Then we have some time for question and answer reports and then we'll finish the presentation with something to be very I would say very concrete very tangible way of starting cooperation using these assets. It's a sort of Reliance challenge it's not a challenge for competition but it's a challenge for cooperation and bringing together different researchers and educators scientists. Most of the practitioners are certain disciplines they find in the open science they can use the environment to create to do research and share data generate data together and the working of I would say very important and challenging dimension our times is like you know on topping impact water geohazards this management and also some special features on COVID 2020 lockdowns and the relationship with our earth system biosphere and then it will be time of 10 minutes for final question and answer but anyway it will be linked somehow with Marco so this will be recorded and whenever you might have any kind of interest to Warhouse please don't hesitate to contact us okay so let's start then so Reliance is a small project it's a couple of millions so it's not we're going to reshape the world as it is with this but the very important thing is that Reliance is a part of family so this one is called Infrails 7 it's a cluster of project that's being somehow put in place with the aim of building up and strengthen the infrastructure of the European Science Cloud so they have a common goal together of course they do different things and but they are complementary in the work so what is being very smart to do and we are working on it we already set a collaborative agreement the sort of environmental cooperation among this project it's actually we are like a federated we also set out arrangements to work together like for instance the first project collaboration board and which take care and carry out all the sorry if you found I have some boats passing by I'm in Venice it's just very couriery sometimes boat passing by and basically we have a cross project collaboration board and this carry out main activities uh intro project activities related to the technical technical aspect but also the uptake and training so it will be part of I would say joint a capacity building exercise we're going to set in place one of our of the most important of the infrails digital assets capacity building is that of reliance and actually I'm in charge of the work task that's called epistemic communities engagement capacity building that is exactly what we're supposed to do in the next round stop to December but that we will we will roll out this later on the other thing is that reliance besides being part of this infrails family this also includes another big project of 40 million errors called else future and is also part of the use and I'm not going to explain you what else is that but anyway is the one in which we are embedded and just to give you an image simplified image of what means to be part of this ecosystem and in any way we we are here to work in a very uh we say cooperative fashion uh okay whatever we do whatever we produce as a as a as a scope and the scope is to empower to strengthen to enforce the overall escalation infrastructure with different digital assets and and and this is uh also the most important aspect of our work that whatever we do in the frame of this project we're not uh us we say uh we're not full apart when the project will end we know that 90 percent of what we do when we're working this external you know uh founder project and most of the problem is the sustainability after so the legacy after the project and the legacy stay with us because whatever we do will be served the purpose researchers after that after the end of reliance that will not last that long because a couple of years maybe we will be acceptable others each additional six but what we want to leave behind us is something that can endure can last and can be at the service of our research communities and the catered level want to uh approach it um so what what is the relationship between the yield score and frail status at UNESCO well actually if we read through the uh different body policy document and recommendation and strategy open science including the last one in november 2021 then you should just see that what we are doing every day by developing this infrastructure and trying also to uh i would say um to do researchers and to take what we're doing in terms of digital assets is as likely it means as likely that the scope in uh and the the the objects of the of um UNESCO recommendation open science and uh and it can be applied in terms of sustainability because most of what we do and the testbed for our digital assets are environmental problem or social environmental change phenomenon like climate change uh biodiversity loss uh marine pollution geo hazards so we really look at what has the most relevant as per our nowadays life and challenges and through our through our in you know digital assets we also uh build inclusiveness and scientific cooperation so these are not exclusive to these are the inclusive tools that everybody also they're branded europe okay but are not made just for europeans and this is the other point we have to to consider that whatever we produce in the frame of this project in in the frame of a larger project that in play austrian environment i mentioned before it's for everybody and and then and this everybody also get empowered by our digital asset that capacity then power the infrastructure and this is actually i think what is being told in the 2020 2024 strategy yctp so by having sign how experience with UNESCO as mario said before 12 is a work on service for the organization science and by having the opportunity now to work with different team and at european level i think there's a lot of entry point a potential entry point and some of them are being already self tested we already organize a brainstorming meeting showing off a bit showcasing our our solution of our services to the university of wanda and that was very interesting and thank you marco for bonding us with us with them so um in order to summarize what i say with words of no mind of course but the the founder director of the salam i want to say that the science is a common heritage of all humankind and uh and then we think the isk is a science common that contribute building that terry page and in frail scan reliance projects brings new working tools for it so um this is the concept would like to to close this first introductory part of what what reliance for and is there for you too so thank you very much and i will leave the floor to my colleague rob calma the coordinator reliance project yeah hi uh thank you david and for for the words for the introduction and thank you everybody for being here my name is uh raul palma i am the coordinator of the reliance project that it was mentioned i am affiliated to the post non supercomputing and networking center in poland as this is one of the biggest research institutes in in the country and we run of course one of the largest infrastructures as well in poland uh so as david was saying at the beginning reliance is basically one of the in frail zero seven projects each of them are targeting different points in our case in reliance our goal was to extend the research in every capabilities of the eos with a set of connecting services interconnected services that would allow the researchers to adopt fair and open science principle so that that's our main goal here so if you go next david so in order to to give you a bit more on on on that and before introducing the services themselves let me just give you a brief introduction to our vision why we came up with these ideas so and this goes back to the problem of the research life cycle so of course um about a very very high level we can visualize the research life cycle as a figure here that you start always with some kind of background information some hypotheses that you want to develop or demonstrate some assumptions some input data and then some methods do some experimentation you get some results and after some scientific interpretations you get some conclusions and then you get some publications on that of course very important is the incremental loop that is based on science so science is based on this kind of incrementally increasing of of the knowledge basically so of course the knowledge is transferred through all the whole process contributions to the research community from the researchers doing the work but also from the research community to the researchers when after for example doing some kind of review or after reading and getting this information they would like to validate all of these claims that they are um um publishing and so on so this is a very incremental process so the point here is how we can actually reuse uh better the results from the previous research in order to do uh increase in knowledge so this is uh of course as you know scientific publications has been always a very good means to disseminate our our results but as it has been already um pointed out by many different initiatives the publication itself is not enough in many cases to allow the reuse and revalidation of the results and this is where we come to the concept of what we call the research objects please next slide um so the research object is basically trying to account describe and share everything about the research including how things are connected to each other and this is like one of the key technologies behind reliance and you can see this research object is a kind of logical container as you can see in the in this figure it's like a box you can see like a logical container is as a box which includes first of all an identifier like a doi like you can use as well to cite to make some publication inside your research object inside this box you also have information about the hypothesis about the data about the method that you use to produce and analyze the data and the workflows implementing those methods of course what happens during the uh execution of these methods you can also keep track of the whole research life cycle so uh keeping versions of what happened during this uh life cycle the people that was involved and of course very important annotations that means information description both in terms that are easily readable by the people but also that are easily readable by machines about the resources that are encapsulated in the research object so this is a very large initiative as well this is coming even before this or european open science class started uh we started from the very beginning with that that it's almost like 2010 and started this initiative and there is a big group of people working on research objects at this moment if you go next please uh David so why the research object so basically one of the main key points I can point you out very briefly here is they allow you to organize and describe the resources the materials and the methods of an investigation they allow you of course to share all of this material with other scientists at discrete milestones and of course you can identify all of this uh with a particular DOI or any other identifier so it's again it's not now that you are publishing just publication you're publishing everything about your research that's the point so this facilitated reproducibility and the reuse of the methods this allows to be recognized and cited even if you are not finalized uh you know to the point of having a final publication you can still already be recognized and cited during the process of making this uh this research basically you can of course use research objects to preserve the results and finally uh this the research object will give the evidence for the findings that you are claiming in a scholarly communication so like publications uh go next please David so with that said I briefly introduce the three services of reliance so the first one is called the research objects which is the overarching mechanisms to manage the scientific research and activities and the technology behind this is ROHA this is a platform then we are also bringing in reliance uh technology based on data cubes this is very important for the scalable access to uh earth observation data particularly we're focused on Copernicus data but this is basically coming from any kind of large data such as like earth observation uh because we are dealing with earth scientists and of course the last one is about text mining that allows to extract machine readable metadata from the resources that are related to this investigation so that you can of course uh uh discover improve the discovery of these resources and of course also to organize your research better so with that said I will now leave the floor to to Ann and to give you a bit more practical I will be on that yes thank you Raul and uh so I will share my screen want to stop sharing I think you need to stop sharing before and I will show you in practice um how we work with all the different services um so let me maybe share first and now you should see the ROHA and this is where we will start so I'm a climate data scientist so I I know very well how to manage data but I'm working with a very wide range of uh researcher some of them don't have very high level technical skills and I have master students for instance they are just starting and I have PhDs so this platform is also for me to um to summarize and aggregate all the resources for all the different project I have so um the first thing you need is to sign up to this world and this is the first step I would suggest anyone to start with I have already signed up but when you sign up um as a researcher you'll probably it's maybe a bit slow I really suggest you use this logging with EGI checking even if uh it looks weird and we don't really know at the beginning what that means but mostly because um as a researcher we all have an orchid identifier and I always authenticate to any other services with an orchid identifier and if you don't have any orchid identifier as a researcher I will strongly suggest you register and get one so this is really a way to identify yourself in any other services um of course I have already one so I don't really need I can already logged in uh hopefully it won't take too long and I should be logged in in a few seconds and so this is quite easy to register and uh once you have access to this reliance as yourself you can first you don't really need to authenticate to browse the existing resources but if you want to create your own you need to be authenticated and here you have the explore tab where you can see all the different research objects that have been created by everyone so there are many many and here you can search so for instance I usually like to search by types um and we have bibliographic research object which are mostly publication or around publication but it's not only scientific papers so I use a lot bibliographic research object to aggregate resources from for instance for videos and uh for articles online that are not necessarily published as papers um and otherwise we have data-centric research objects this is really to search for data sets or uh executable research object which are mostly in World Hub Jupiter notebook um but I can show you from mine to show you what I do so these are all the research object I have created so this is all four different projects I have and in this here editable research object this is all research objects that have been created uh by my colleagues or by people I'm working with but I can edit this research object which means I can also add resources and I can work with them and this is very important for collaboration because most of the time um so I can edit this one this is the latest one we have created um I'm working for the Nordic Infrastructure Collaboration so I'm working with people uh that are located um on very different locations so um I don't have many colleagues at the University of Oslo most of my colleagues are in Sweden in Finland or in Iceland or even all over the world so here for instance we are working with a colleague in Fortaleza in Brazil uh and what we would like to assess is um understand a urban urban heat island effect on a very specific location area which is Fortaleza and see if it has changed over uh the last 20 years so what we want to understand is if the changes in temperature over the surface um during the night and the days uh are smaller two days and 20 years ago because uh it's with the climate change usually in in big cities we have more and more uh higher temperature during the night compared during the day so it's not cooling at night well normally it's supposed to to cool uh and it means uh for uh it can have an impact on the health of people but also because they don't sleep very well and they can be more aggressive so this is for instance in Fortaleza they also want to link this to um like to crime and um if see if there is any impact any increase that can be correlated this is very like the beginning um and for this we are using data uh which we need to be able to share so this is the main point here uh as you can see I mean this is not much this is very new so we have only one plot we can put the location here this is the area where we do this study this is Fortaleza this is in Brazil um and if you want to work with people that are not in your lab you need to be able to have a location where to say where data you are using and where they are if you are using any software or any resources you need to be able to share with them and if you have generated some plot some some data you need to be able also to share with them and we want to share with them now uh not like in one week or in two weeks so before what we were doing we were sending a lot of emails uh or we were uh in Slack and we were uh putting some data or exchanging sometimes with with uh with software repository like Github but now we have one place with everything and this is super much easier for us to work because most of the time I have like at least 10 different projects um I never know where the data is who has done what and when while now I have everything up to date so when I go here I know some bibliography and this is uh not me someone has found a nice paper probably uh which is about yeah I need to log in from my university because it's behind yeah so this is the same example uh so this is the urban urban environmental changes in South America but this is over another town which is Rio de Janeiro but this is probably very relevant for us uh and some people have already created some output and here we have a Jupyter notebook so if I go on the tab here on the content I can inspect a bit more I click here on the tool and I can really see all the different resources so here when I click I can also see some metadata so we always add some more information so I see here that someone uh added the link to the render notebook I think this is me this one because I'm the one doing this uh technical development and when I click here I can see the resource which is an example of a Jupyter notebook which can be seen so here I have all the resources uh and this is the development I have done but now let's talk about the data so here I need to access data and I need to be able to run this Jupyter notebook or is this software and I don't want to do it on my laptop because if I do it on my laptop I will have to tell my colleagues what software I have used how I have used it and they will uh will iterate I mean this is what we used to do before after maybe 10 days we managed to have the same environment and it's a lot of time wasted and every time we need to change something it's even more time wasted well now for executing this Jupyter notebook which is something we are familiar with in my lab we are using a service from EGI so this is an EOS service which you will have access from uh Reliance and when I access this Jupyter notebook everyone working with me can access so this person is working in in Brazil they can access it and then when I run it I can show you here this is a typical Jupyter notebook environment I think this is probably this Jupyter notebook here which I have written started to write and I can execute and when I will execute it it will immediately give the same results and the one I have in this here which means my colleague can start looking at it and can see what data I have already started to use and the data we are using for this we are using data which we don't want to have locally on my laptop or somewhere that no one else can use we are using data from this add-on platform what I would mention so this add-on platform here this is also another service from the Reliance project where you can browse the entire globe and select different area and select different kind of data so again you need to login here and you login with the RoHub services and here we have many many data and of course we can add some more data and the data are organized in what we call these data cubes so we can access them from anywhere and we access them from the Jupyter notebook but we can access them from different software so here I'm logged in and I can sponsor show you usually so here we have many data sets this is usually the data set I'm working on but if I click on the plus you can see we have 125 data sets available on the add-on platform it's a lot some of them are covering different geographical areas usually what we suggest is when you have like global data sets the data sets that are covering the entire globe like Copernicus data we suggest you first select a geographical region where you want to have the data so here you can create new geometry for instance here I can make a new geographical area and then you can select data I don't know if I have already well let's try to find some yeah this one so this era 5 land daily data this is two meter temperature and this is yeah okay so you see already is this the data is covering only the region I have selected which is nice because if you manage to narrow down to the region of interest you don't have to to stream or to download a large amount of data and of course you can choose the dates here I mean here this is 2021 but this is a data set that is covering a very large period of time so you can browse and go to different days and you can also change if you want like the color map I use this tool here on the graphical interface mostly to identify the region where I'm interested in and then usually I go back to the Jupiter notebook once I know the geometry so I know approximately the data is available covering which region and what data I want to access because here I have a lot of more information I think if I click here about the data I know this is the name of the data set I can go back here and I can select the geometry so here I selected a different region I selected the region over Brazil and then I will get the data from the Adam platform here where I need to authenticate so I need to get the Adam API package I need to access the products and then I can select the dates so for now we are focusing on three years 2004 2005 and 2006 and we want to make an analysis over four different months from February to May and see if we have changes between the night and the days but later on we will take a much longer time series and I can only upload the data in this Jupiter notebook that correspond to my area of interest and the data I have downloaded here locally for my analysis so we are just starting here so I have made only one plot I started this morning but the data I have already uploaded I put it in a shared repository which is here this data hub which is also part of the EGI and we have a reliance folder and it will be in this folder here so very important I organize very well my data so that everyone can access it and understand what it is about and in this tool I will notice the output I will put some of the next ADF data I have extracted from this and I think in the input I will have all the data downloaded from the data cube which means my colleague now is from Brazil he will start very soon because it's just the beginning of the day for them and there is an R user he's not using Python but if you see here you can also use R but he will have already the data set and he can also start to do some analysis and he can also reuse my Jupiter notebook if he wants so we have everything up to date everyone can start working and that's it what else should I mention here in the overview maybe this is not the best because it's a new one I can maybe take another example so this one is what we call a live research object it's evolving it has been created this morning so there is no annotation yet the only keywords here are keywords I have added myself but we can take another example once this one which is another work I do I have done it for already as part of the reliance and we are trying to assess the impact of the COVID-19 lockdown on the air quality but we do it over Europe so I have done this analysis a bit earlier and the same you see the organization I have a bibliography folder input output and I also have a tool so I know here I will expect to find again my Jupiter notebook and the random Jupiter notebook which is probably also online so it's always the same organization so it's easier for me to understand how it is organized and this one on the right hand side it has a license because it can already be reused it's a MIT license I added a grant it can already be cited and shared here you see I can share the link with everyone and we have this additional section here so this is a text mining and this is the enrichment service from the reliance so all the resources I have added here after I don't know when you probably see it somewhere here yeah so you see here the service account enrichment on a regular basis they will go through all the resources from and the research object from reliance and they will enrich your research object automatically with some data metadata that are discovered from all the resources you have added so this is why it's extremely important to document and to add description of all of your resources and here this is all the metadata that have been discovered and there are different types person domain and etc places and concepts I think that's it for me did I forget anything no okay twice can stop sharing and I'm done okay fantastic and thank you very much for these ends on the on digital assets where you know relevant team produced and so I don't know if we have some questions after there's a first part of the presentation and okay if there is no questions I do have some questions yeah so I have one for well I would say both Raul and Ann but as I have more for Ann later maybe for Raul and it's about this slide you showed where you had experiments in you know on the left and then then my question is is this tool only for experimentalists as you know you know ICTP is a theoretical physics center so most of the research is theoretical and I wonder how this tool would you know work for them to document the work flowing away yeah of course no definitely what I meant on the slide is you can have any type of research artifact related to some particular work so this can be of course experiments in you know experimental science it can be observations can be anything that is allowing you to to keep some organization related to your work so of course we have for example the the concept of research of it has originally was applied and tested in experimental science in bioinformatics and astronomy but now during the last five years or so we have been focusing a lot on earth sciences which has been our main set of communities that have been adopting much and more the concept of research object but overall the concept itself is quite open so you can put inside anything that is relevant for your particular case so that's okay in fact I saw publication for example no in Ann's demo okay okay and then as we're waiting for more questions in the chat one question for Ann is about a well first of all the relationship between these main ROHAB and the reliance project so is it you know like a specific use of ROHAB that you're doing in reliance and so maybe if you can clarify that and then the second one what will happen once the project is over which I think is something that we all have in mind when we upload our data and our you know publications our thoughts on some on some website okay so to answer to your first question I don't make you like a specific usage because it is reliance and for instance the now we are working with some researcher in UK and this is not in the framework of reliance this is in the framework of other projects I'm talking with and for me it's a it will not stop by the end of the project so all the research project I have created will remain but I will also continue to create new research object in the ROHAB because now we are bringing so many researchers and we are not bringing them to ROHAB but all the reliance services for six months only yeah I can also complement a bit on that so first of all as the video also mentioned at the beginning of the presentation so the one of the main aspects of it is sustainability of all of these services beyond the project so reliance is bringing because the services existed before reliance so what we are doing in reliance is putting them together connecting with the rest of the ecosystem of EOS and living there as part of the EOS ecosystem in general so the services will after reliance continue to be there as part of the EOS ecosystem which is a much bigger much larger you know initiative in Europe that will continue for the years to come so that's with respect of of the user on the services themselves okay we have a question for Anne I guess in the in the chat I say that one of the publication in the ROHAB presentation to show has a quality rating of 60 and so the question is are there any parameter about the quality of publication on on the ROHAB actually that's a good point because I forgot to show the quality because this is quite new feature so maybe I can share my screen and show the quality okay I cannot share my screen so I can okay yes thank you so if I take the same one where we have 60 percent here I mean the quality here you have different types tabs and one of them is quality and the quality of your research object is based on all the different information you are supposed to add in your research object depending on the type of research object so this research object is executable research object and obviously I haven't added all the necessary information so some of them are missing like the one here but are in red course is means I should add a publisher which I haven't added yet and the researcher object doesn't have keywords that I must add annotation it's not annotated yet so it needs to be added and then I think this one but I think Raoul you can overview confirm this is not necessarily the mandatory one but this is the one I should add if I really want to be a very good really to have a very good research object yeah indeed so there are like three categories like of requirements so there are the the must requirements or the obligatory requirements there are should requirements that are like recommended and there are like main requirements which are kind of optional let's say but would give an additional value and these are just coming from the researcher this is not something that we created so the researchers like Ann and our other colleagues in reliance they told us what will be the best set of information or metadata that the research object should have in order to to be considered in good quality so this is not something that we came up with this is from the communities yeah so for us this is important to have all these different aspects here and the other one is to have a very well organized research object so we also ask to have this organization so that when we go from one research object to another we can go directly into the folder and find the resources so we know bibliography will be in the view all the inputs will be an input output in output and all the tools will be and software will be in tool so both with the quality if we have a research object with low quality and not to a very well organized it means it's decreased the user usability so as a researcher this is really nice if we have guidance on how to improve the quality so that other can reuse my research object so undecided I can stop sharing sorry all right just and there's no other questions and maybe we can introduce a bit what we are supposed to be a sort of demonstration we are the adopters are the users and you know the sorry just a second I'll fix it here okay so we have seen what the reliance service can can provide you know researchers with so there are tools they collect organize analyze information data on certain topics but actually if we don't have scientists to use them and all this digital ecosystem they're pretty useless so we need to to have not just those like for instance scientists like can others that have a sign how created use case scenario for service validation but we need also more than that we need up to take and and the uptake is what comes next you know we develop so how would we co-design with the searcher this services and now we have to grow the the user community of the services and this is part of the work we were doing under this specific task it's a community engagement capacity building we're trying to get early adopters on board and it's not just a question of an issue of reliance is also a question issue an opportunity also for all the in-prilous project I mentioned before so there's a lot of digital assets here that goes beyond the row app Adam and text mining that there are other features that can be part of this exercise okay so all right so what what the first thing that we're doing in order to achieve the school but first of all we realize that we already have some community of the research center institute and university departments they are somehow interested in what we have done so far or the I would say macro area of interest the certificate that we have and we are clustering now according to this very large I would say issue areas like entropic impasse of waters so whoever have interest in this also is already involved in other european projects they're serving in institute the research center they have some activities related to water pollution microplastic microplastic microcontaminants of chemical biological etc that might have interest in joining this community or those they have more factors on geo-azard human induced only human induced others like you know volcanoes earthquake landslides and fires and those others that might also time ecologists have we you know recall one of the example that Anne made about you know the measurement to go to you know different level of pollution the atmosphere during the very severe lockdown in 2020 that you know the worldwide became a sort of laboratory a real living laboratory to check and test all this so-called antroposed so sort of a time you know within which the human activities decline and how the ecosystem react to this so it's a very interesting laboratory for many researchers and scientists and we thought that to focalize mainly on this aspect and create a lot of doctors coming from different research institutions to be to you know to converge on the study of research this through our alliance services but also having also other opportunities of options in the next following months while our cooperation will play as we strengthen and go more indeed so the the second thing is that after we've clustered and this work has been partially done already because we have a brainstorming seminar from December January as actually this is our last one brainstorming seminar and what we will do next will be sort of kickoff meeting so sort of a three-part two-three participatory seminars will this challenge reliance general cooperation for your doctors will be kicked off according to the class that we will form up and and what we want to do but basically I don't think it's efficient we don't think it's efficient just to know that this oh this is Rohab works like this this is nothing but maybe we can do it can we can create or co-generate or think about a joint project or more joint project and and and and you know sign how quality researchers around a problem to solve or something to investigate upon and and in doing this work we will have you know an end so called the the virtual alliance toolkit and real tutorship so the virtual lasso toolkit is sort of online interactive practical explanation so with the benefit of the use of reliance and and and the services then by say by selective researchers actually it is on and and the other two researchers our latest researcher that they're going to introduce us this so their appeals aren't as I'm making and so and all this thing can be radio viable and download and anytime by any users and the other thing we're going to build up is sort of more always online and more detailed tutorials and how to make use of single reliance service more or less like what I'm displaced today but in the more circumstances for my end you know made for really for early adopters and then we have a real time well coached it's all offered is a service offer by reliance to the user community and actually we organize a two or three beam on three meetings we were earlier doctors I'm trying to understand with our problems we using reliance services if there are some things that we may fix in the research or we can maybe adopt additional users additional researchers in our research and and this is a something that will go on and on and we also feature more or less rock map you can see through this infographic so we'll kick off on 25th march with the with the first joiser disastrous management cluster of early adopters and then we end with a 27 april with the anthropic impact waters kickoff and then we will start the capacity building and right after you know all these virtual system our virtual package will be radio viable online so all our user will be told and and that can all you know use this is a common full resources and then we will end at the end of november because what we want to achieve the end of the day is over the end of the story is that we would like to get some tangible result a story a narrative of what was the working and open science and using these services and how to work and how this you know a built up a collective endeavor and is a sort of storytelling on the about the research that they conducted may activities they conducted the outcomes and also final considerations you know what are your remarks and what is the added value using those with other digital assets and also remarks to improve them and then we'll give us a very important feedback extraordinary feedback to maybe to conceive additional activities later on on to improve the services that we have featured so far and although this is very general idea because we'll go we have to go more in detail with our colleagues from the other future team so they will not be just a standalone event it will be a sort of marathon of four days within which we will be able really to join a you know a large number of users to try different digital assets and to share the experience you know with the you know within this this venue and I think that we know things are not really very well defined the moment because we're really working in progress it's an experience for all of us but we have a lot of material material that come from the the sort of validation so we have a very important crucial you know investigations that have been already conducted by our researchers so we have a you know important subject that's really there but maybe we can enlarge and we can deepen a bit more and also aggregating social human scientists in this in this work what the benefit for any adopters are multiple I mean I just mentioned a few here well it's it's everything you know it's a European European science cloud that is open for everybody and it's an opportunity for scientists also from from poor countries for disadvantaged research infrastructures to be part of first-class services to advance their studies for pretty difficult environment and you know everybody involved here getting you valuable international experience to working conducive intelligent research environment you get new skills and you know as we say that you know two three times and Mark will support the question what to do next the project actually you are tools you may use after the project is over and you can keep you know this community alive and you keep growing your you know your research all together so this is in you know nutshell what we're going to do in the next months and it will be a pleasure to be out of the opportunity also to if you think that might fit also with your I will work with your mission to find some entry points of operation very much looking for it and so I will say your disposal and in case you oh sorry you get either last slide and in case you want to contact that it's also my second yeah that's been taken out I'm sorry I don't know why but actually I will write down in the chat okay thank you very much David and okay okay here is your email address if anyone wants to get in touch with you yeah so there was one additional comment a question in fact yes I think for all for Raul or Anne and it's about downloading the data so the question is okay once you you know uploaded all this data and at a certain point you want to you know download all your data for your your kind of you know backup or personal use can you easily do that yeah so I think I can I can say a bit on that so well first of all as you saw in in the Anne's presentation in the research object you can have any type of resource including resources that are stored elsewhere so that means like you can for example have a data set that is in your institutional repository or there is in some other place as long as it is accessible then of course it can be aggregated into the research object of course you can also aggregate directly upload physically data to the research object but let's say that that's not really like the main purpose of the research topic the research topic is main purpose is to collect to to be like the web that connects all of the resources that might be spread in different locations so but going to in terms of uploading it's possible for now we don't have a particular limitation but we haven't really foreseen situations where we are talking about hundreds of gigabytes of data for one dataset storing in the repository I mean maybe I can add that we have several projects where we don't have the data in the add-on platform for instance we have observation that we are from the meteorological station and we put them in in this EGI notebook in the data hub which is a EGI data hub where we share the data with everyone in the team so we can work all together and when we will be ready for publishing we will prepare so the data will be prepared and organized already and we will put this data into the national data repository but the advantage is normally we do it at the last minute so when we publish we panic because the publisher asks us to organize the data and we don't remember how to do it properly and it's a bit of a rush but so we publish something which is not necessarily very well defined and reusable well now we will be super relaxed because everything has been organized before and we only need to put what we have in the EGI data hub into our national repository with all the data and metadata so it's much easier and we can see it already because we are preparing a paper with a phd and a lot more relaxed because normally I have to check everything from the phd students so it helps a lot excellent one more question from from my side for maybe Davide is about a scientific publications on on on this project has there been any publication done already so if someone wants to you know point to something I described well in terms of what we're doing the capacity building as a size well so called reliance challenge our goal is it's not real-life for flesh publication it's more you know exercise capacity building to to get a printable with you know with with digital assets with the services and however does not exclude the fact that by having this research or starting this investigation with others they can't could for instance take part of the material and have a publication would say standard publications we know and maybe I'd be the case I don't know and if you know we set out some some some researchers and you know in the in the next few months we may find something interesting that can be the bulk of for a new publication I don't know if what you think of the role and about this yeah so I mean for sure all of the I mean in the in the first year let's say some of the things that you can get from as publications related to the project are things connected to our models of course that we are using behind and researchers like and you know our other communities are already in the process of making their own publication but more more on their scenarios let's say so if you are thinking of publications about the project itself then you could have for example things related to the research objects models that we are using behind that kind of thing so there are there are some publications related to that I mean on the scientific side we are publishing paper as we would normally publish but it's it's not on the project itself it's taking advantage of the services to speed up the process but anyway I will send you I will put it in the name of one paper that describes not not all of the latest advances but very much the year behind all of these because as I mentioned before we have many of these services were existing before the the reliance service the reliance project started right so so one of the main publication that is related to this work I will put the title here on the it's a journal publication I will put the title here on the chat okay and if someone is interested then he can send an email to Davide or or to me or you know we yeah sorry I made a couple of mistakes and djt so it don't see very well and there is an s at the end so I'll call it okay okay thanks okay good I think if there is no more questions then thank you very much to Davide Araúl and Manuel it has been a pleasure having you in our seminar series Open Science and I hope some of our participants will get back to you thank you Marco thank you Eva thank you everybody we hope that we can get some people involved from from from this particular initial collaboration with you so that's that's our main target yeah actually we are also thinking that would be quite interesting to have someone escort chairs that may also be focused on these issue areas but this is something when we can talk later on excellent okay then thank you very much thank you thank you thank you thank you bye bye thank you bye