 So BJ has question. Does anyone back up their three six five environment? If so, how often are you backing up? PST files, baby. All the way. Don't go there, man. Don't go there. It's not okay. I print everything. And that's how you back it up, right? That's right. Right. I would say yes. People do back up their in three six five environments. Yes. And there are a variety of tools that can help you do that. And I think everyone on this call, I see all the heads nodding. Yes, you should be backing up your environment. Why why'd you make that face, Christian? Well, what are the comments of people as they say? Well, well, don't we automatically get that? Aren't things backed up in in azure? Isn't microsoft already doing that for us? No, that's like the most common question and you get this level of confusion coming from microsoft sales people that are telling customers that it's really funny how they were how dispassionate they were about third party backup solutions granular backup until they made an investment in a backup solution. And then suddenly everybody needs third party backup. Exactly. Yes. Well, we had the true statement. It is it is because I work with beam early on when they were trying to come up with their mailbox solution and microsoft is like you guys aren't touching this stuff, you know, we'll take care of it. We're going to we're going to have a solution and they never came up with one, right? Now you still don't have a backup solution inside of m365. There's one rolling out. You get, oh, okay. So now we're getting in the information. Okay. Um, but now they publicly announced that. I'm getting sure. Um, but I'm what I'm the point I'm getting at is that how long has m365 been a product number one? And now they're just kind of getting one. But number two is that they, they initially started touting the recycle bin as a backup solution. And they kept saying, Hey, he got 30 days, you know, you get, you Delete something. You got 30 days to bring it back. There's your backup solution right there. I tell people history is not backup. History is not backup. No comment because I had in my consulting days, mere months ago, a client that also felt that the recycle bin was their backup. And we were doing a migration, not knowing that that's what they viewed, you know, the little thing with the trash can as that you hit delete. So we get into the environment that I swear is all of our backup. Right. You don't have backup. Oh, yeah. The recycle bin. No, that's, that's, that's not how that works. There's just this phrase that I recall from my childhood when you'd see somebody like, Oh, I just, I threw that away accidentally and it was like, Oh, just go retrieve it. Nobody will see you pull it out. And since they put go in the garbage and then you shout out really loud to embarrass them scrounge. I worked for a company. And of course you become the de facto IT person when there's nobody else there. Right. He's like, my outlook is running really slow. I don't know why it's so slow. And I go and I said, I said, you've got 3000 emails in your deleted items that I right clicked and hit delete. And he's like, no, that was his filing cabinet. He didn't want it in his inbox. So he put it in the deleted items and he never like, and yeah, like that's your what garbage. And I'll bet he had folders inside of his deleted folder. No, he doesn't. He didn't know how to create a folder. I'm like, let me show you how to create folders and how you can learn from mail. This is a whole nother situation, but it was like that slow mo where the, you know, the video slows down. He's like, no, he reads, he's jumping across the desk at me and they had to go retrieve it from the server. But yeah, well, what about the second half of BJ's question? How often are you backing up? Every day. I don't say it depends. But it does. That's the answer. How often do you want to have to go back and recreate everything you just did? What I don't understand is there should be really no question about this because, I mean, with the modern tools we have today, they either back up in the stream of data, which means they back up when something changes. Yeah. Okay. Or you're backing up like twice a day every day every other day. As often as you're willing to pay for. I'd back up when the meter rises. When you're talking about deltas though, because all you're doing is backing up deltas. So it's not like you're, you know, creating this huge archive of every single time you back up. That's just not how it's like log files. They're tiny. Yeah. It's not like it's not like the old days, if you will. I mean, it's a lot more efficient and a lot quicker than, you know, with everything you've done now. So I don't get the reasoning like, oh, I only do it once a week as I run out of space. I'm like, come on, really? People don't know because I've not been exposed to this the way we have. So they're just using tape, you know, stick a tape in. Well, this is where I say it depends. Because if you're in a regulated industry and having that granular control over the backups to be able to go and look at specific things, because you do have to understand, again, what are the SLAs? What are your actual requirements around backup? And do you want to back up and have to restore everything which can slow down the, you know, slow down the backup process as well as the restore process? Or can you be much more granular and say, I want this specific site or these assets within that library? Don't get that confused with retention hold or litigation because some people use. Don't get that confused. I was going to go there, too. It's a blanket, no deletion and everything. It's so simple. I've got an outlook.com account. It has a 50 gig limit on it, and I'm consistently sitting at about 49 and a half. So that means, well, and that's partially due to this. Come on, Hal. Eight billion different MVP distribution lists. And I look at all of them. Deletion list. There'll be a bunch of pictures and then there'll be a reply that has the bunch of pictures and then another reply on top of that. And by the time the last email and the thread comes in, it's about two and a half, three megabytes in size. So it's a matter of just going through the various distribution lists and peeling six, seven, eight months out of them, put them into a PSD file, and I'm happy again. So Hal, you're saying you're a hoarder? Is that what you're getting at there? At least he's a digital hoarder. Let me give you a little bit of a quick explanation as to why. If you all have gotten your MVP renewal kits this year, that's the little white stone inside the bubble wrap. That's not what you've been getting for your whole life. You've been getting a thing with a plaque and an ID card and a little jewel for your stand and a palpin and a couple of stickers, a couple of other odds and ends. All of it, everything but the little glass thing. The slider has gone away. Everything but the little glass thing. So there's first world problems and then there's the little MVP complaints within first world problems. That's what that is. Well, some of us would like to have some of the other stuff back. As it turns out, there it is. Christian just said that the other day. That I can't add to the wall now. I know. You actually can't add to the wall if you do your own printing. Correct. Right. Go print it and then mail it yourself. You can't add to your palpin collection because they're making those, except there is a logo. There is the old MVP logo that caused Microsoft to, in 2005, have to go out and buy and manufacture a new one because the old one, they did not own and could not control. I have this old logo. I can give you links to this old logo and all sorts of color sizes and shapes. So if you want, if you want. I'm sure BJ would appreciate answering his question about that. If you want a, if you want a lapel pin, we can do that too. That's right. It's the old logo, not the new one. They can't control the old logo. How backs up often and for decades? Well, let me put it this way. I have the original email from, from 1999 where for permission was granted to use it. I just, I just dumped all my 2000 office 2000 courseware. Why do I have that? It's 23 years old. Yeah. I did let go of things sometimes, but to go back to BJ's question. Yes. Back up. Oh, it was a question once, once. So unruly. Do not let Microsoft, the idea of a ticket to Microsoft be what you think your backup is because that won't go well for you. That's not how that works either. Retention policies are not backup. So it's, it's very different things. So BJ, yes, 100%. They're great backup tools out there. There's one coming soon. Don't know all the ins and outs of that yet, but highly recommend. It's a very mature space. So lots of options out there. So well said. Do it. Just do it.