 Yeah they kill the baby calves. The boy calves don't produce milk, you know what I mean? They don't produce milk, yeah. What do they do about it? I'll stop eating dairy products. So they're a waste product. That's nice. These are the same? Nah, there's different industries man. It's the most humane method for stunning pigs before slaughter in Australia. There's suffocate in this gas chamber, rice milk, almond milk, soy milk. There's vegan cheese and chocolate for bacon. Yeah, it's crazy man. It is crazy man. Or maybe other nuts or plants, healthier for us and don't have to exploit mothers or steal calves away. You know much about these industries? Don't want to put you off your sandwich mate. But you know, is that Subway? It is Subway. You get the veggie paddy sub bro. No animals harmed. So I always have discussions with farmers and they genuinely care about their animals and they do the best welfare that they can and they call their animals, they come to them when they call them and they're really connected to these animals and what they do is they put them on their trailer and they drive them to the slaughterhouse and they feel terrible about it. And these animals that have had a better life and value their life more, they have more of an interest in living, you know what I mean? So to take them to the slaughterhouse is more of a betrayal. So do you think it's better to have better ways of slaughtering or do you think it's better for just the farmers to have no way of life in that manner? No, no, I don't want farmers not to have a way of making an income for their farming but just not at the expense of these beings. So there's other viable sources of income now. And the more people that stop eating animal products, it's going to open up the market for vegan products, soy milks, rice milk, plant-based products which need farmers. We need farmers. But we want to grow up like veggies and fruits and stuff like that. Yeah, organic farming. All the ways we live about with the meat. But if these were human slaves, we wouldn't be saying, hey, the slave owners are going to lose their slaves when picking their cotton. It's a matter of justice just because the person who's got the industry in their hands making the money will lose the money or have to change. So how do you then kind of look at what would happen to cows and sheep? What would happen to them? Yeah, if people weren't earning money keeping them on their land, where are they going to go? We've domesticated them to a point, we're breeding them by the millions into existence so we can exploit them for their bodies and kill them. So what would happen is we'd gradually, when people start to change, we'd gradually phase out the industry and stop breeding them into existence. So then we'd actually have no cows. We wouldn't have no cows, we'd probably have a natural amount of cows, less cows. We've got 70 billion land animals on earth right now. That's because of us. That's not because they naturally bred. I completely understand that. But coming from a country like the UK, we have a very small amount of space and there is not a lot of wild grounds which people would be willing to donate to wild creatures if the cows and sheep and things like that became wild creatures. The thing is grass-fed cattle is the most unsustainable meat you can eat because it takes up so much land. So if we freed up that land that we're breeding these cows to graze on, we'd have so much free land. It wouldn't even be an issue. But then that land is owned by someone, so then they lose out on their land and their property. But they can use it for other things. I don't know if the cows are going to be on it. The thing is, these cows are individuals, yeah? Do you agree with that? No, no, no, I completely... You're with me on the cows, right? Yeah, completely. I'm just saying that it's so difficult. I'm not saying that what you're saying is not correct. I'm saying I wish we could do that. You don't think we can? No. You know that the breeding these cows is destroying the environment, yeah? Yes, I understand that. But I don't see where we can get to the point where these cows or these creatures are roving the planet naturally on land, which people currently own. Because if people have to give up that land, and granted there may be some people who would be willing to donate their land for that cause. That would be wonderful. The thing is, we're not all going to go vegan at once, so there's not going to be a bunch of cows grazing land. There's going to be a slow gradual phase out of these industries. Do you understand that? Yeah. So there's only going to be a few cows left at the end of it? Yeah. I don't understand what you think. We're going to all go vegan? There's going to be a bunch of cows around? No, no, no. That's not what I'm saying. What's going to happen is... Just wild cows, like in India. Well, there is wild cows in Bali, and they live a lot longer. But we've domesticated them to the point where they're just like, they're living two years and we're killing them. This is our monster we've created, domesticated animals. And I don't think to breed them into existence for the sole purpose of ending their life or the fraction of their lifespan, putting them in this horrible place called a slaughterhouse, horrific conditions in most 99% of places are horrific. The places you've seen, country farms, yeah, they treat their animals amazingly, but that's not where people are buying their burgers from. Either way, either scenario, animals are being either abused, tortured, murdered, looked after, cared for, and then betrayed and murdered. So either scenario is wrong, it's destroying the planet, and it's unnecessary when we have all these options. Do you know what I'm... Yeah, I do. On the same page, yeah. But I know it's just so ingrained into culture into everyone's relying on it as a monetary source. So we'd need to bring in new options for these people. We can't leave them out in the lurch here. Exactly. And that's what we want to work towards as well. We want to help everyone, animals, people, and the world and the earth. So I just think like... The environment too. And the environment. You've seen Cowspiracy? I'll give you this card here. Yeah, I've seen it. You've seen it? Yeah. You've seen... Well, here's got some health and some ethics. This is actually Land of Hope and Glory. This has got free range humane raised animals. It's just the treatment of these animals. And so hidden camera footage. And here, while you're here, you can check out some vegan food. Oh, brilliant. Thank you. Oh, that's cool. She literally has four days vegetarian. Oh, wow. She said that's a step in the right direction. Yeah. It really is. My sister is vegan. So she encouraged me. She encouraged you. There's so many reasons why. There's a lot of reasons. It's not just one. It's not just... Exactly. There's many... That's the whole world. And it helps us too. You can add years onto someone's life by stopping them from eating these products that are causing heart disease and cancer. Exactly. It's health, pollution, animals. For me, it's for the animals. For me, it's for the animals. Because if it was dogs in there, we wouldn't be looking for humane ways to kill dogs. We'd be saying, just stop breeding and killing the dogs. But I just think we've gone pigs, cows, chickens. They're here for us. Let's do what we want to them. But through their eyes, they're like a dog. They want to live. You're a legend. Thanks for the conversation. I appreciate it. I've got some information. Don't be scared. I know it's hard to watch, but if we can't watch it, we shouldn't really be paying for it to happen. I came back from company getting and it's like they eat dogs there. And I was like, I can't deal with that. What's the difference? Exactly. There is no... I see you already know. But let's mend that woman, I guess. 20% men, but I'm trying to target men and say, hey, you defend children. You defend dogs. If someone was hurting a dog, you wouldn't want to see that happen. So why are we doing this to chickens and birds? So I try to make it a more masculine thing and try to draw more men in. Oh, that's good. Even you eat vegetarian generally, anyway. We've got vegan burgers, cheese, hot dogs, ice cream, pizza, UK's full of meat-free alternatives, Sainsbury's, Tesco. It's all about education. But no one knows what to eat. We think vegans eat lettuce. Where do you want? I just want people to stop hurting animals and buying food that hurts them. No. Because they're innocent, they did nothing wrong. A chicken never done nothing wrong to me. So why do they have to go to a slaughterhouse to eat the eggs for me until they get killed? You know? Hey, what about if you have your own chicken in your garden? Well, I said if they had their rights, it's their property. It's their property? Well, and the chickens can't give us permission to take their eggs? Yeah. I have chicken back home. You have a chicken in your garden? Yeah. Are you vegan except for that chicken in your garden? No, I thought it was chicken eggs. What about the fish? Do you have fish in your backyard at home? No, I don't. I don't. But like, if we look at the animal like their product, we're exploiting them. We only want the chicken because of what comes out of their butt and it comes out of their butt. And it's like taking their child or at least they think it's their child? Yeah. Yeah, true. They're maternal animals, yeah? Fish or eggs are little eggs. If you knew how smart, intelligent fish were, you probably would think differently about them. Cool, man. You're not contributing to any cruelty. That's pretty much what you're doing. Wow. Yeah, wow. So it's not going to be hard for you to push a few things away. Stopping killing animals. I know it's a little bit extreme, but to the animal, it's their whole life. Yeah. You've probably never seen anything like that before? No. I've never seen how your food is produced. So not to think about it? Yeah, well. I'd like some information because it's something that I've been putting off. And this here is an amazing resource called Challenge 22. This is a bit of the truth here. So you can see some ethics, you can see some environment. The best speech you'll ever hear as well is amazing, really, really well spoken. It lives up to its name. That's awesome. That means you're already there. So here's, you know, environment health ethics. Obviously they're all in support of veganism. And this is my link. I know how many people have gone to this website through my link. So you can say here, look at all this information and if you feel like it, you can do a 22 day challenge here. It's a sign, brother. It's an independent sign, man. We are in Bahrain. There's a lot of synchronicity happening. It's a lot of synchronicity. Oh, thank you. You should do it together. It'll be fun. Yeah, it's fun. You should do it together, man. It's epic. It's a bit of a challenge, man. It's very personal. And it's a personal choice. Yeah. But it involves another being. True. Not all personal choices involve another being. It's growing massively really fast. So people are just waking up.