 Hello everybody, E here back again with my co-host Chad Lutzky. You're over on that side I keep doing this because my camera is reversed but we are currently collaborating on a novel called Planet Caravan and The point of this series is just you know That's all right, that's all right Anyways, we're currently collaborating on a novel called Planet Caravan. The point of this series is motivation inspiration and just showing off the process all that stuff so Get back relax. Watch this work. I'm probably gonna be writing full-on because I need I get there's a lot of stuff I need to do I need to finish this scene the follow-up scene With the first phone call and that'll probably take me the rest of the the rest of the writing session Am I and I am out of here by noon my time. Okay. All right, so 11 o'clock. I got you Ah Because your time don't matter. It's only my time to manage it. Okay. Well, it is your channel No, no Joking, you know, I'm joking. Anyways, so Get in here every day. It's payday every day. I'm hustling every day. I'm hustling And Well from every day, I'm hustling to we could see I never noticed that I do this shit until you pointed it out that You know, I'll just like randomly start singing something that has no relevance to the conversation And I never it never occurred to me until you mentioned it on that stream And you're like did you just casually jump into the Wizard of Oz and I was like, oh, yeah, my bad The other day I got the Indiana Jones theme theme music the And I was just walking around the house doing that it's just like at random times, I don't know I do that but but I But I do it with like music music. Yeah, you know, I got you. Yeah There we go, there we go God damn how many no no, I got to remember that I added so much change of scenery is long fucking chapter but You'll probably figure out either something either. I Don't know and I I don't know if it's obvious or not But I won't be here Thursday Because we have to go get the that's that was the whole point of that story also other than telling you why I was late this morning But Thursday their appointment is at 10 o'clock. So I can't be here Thursday I'm at this land run part, but this is I Get all that parts got to be cut because I've moved it up Okay, everything yellow is to be cut. Yeah, pretty much. I think I highlighted everything. Hey, Nick. How you doing? Sorry? I missed you. We were we're busy busy Okay You sure you moved it up because I'm gonna cut it cuz I'm right here. Oh, I'm a hundred percent dude I got it right here. Hang on. Okay. Let me let me double-check you got me Okay, so the next order of business. I've already edited it to not say tomorrow Okay, so the next order of business is today's land run land run, you know, right a rada rada. Okay, and then I end that scene two dollar Two dollars. Oh shit. No, it's the oh Where I ended it after Yeah, I'm glad I got it right But yeah, all that needs to go and then Yeah, and then those two sections need to be glued together The before and the after unless you got something else to do with it Okay, my oh, yeah, I was reading and editing as I went along. I don't know why you're probably gonna Really carve into this section It's mostly dialogue though, so maybe not I gotta run to the restroom Okay Hey Jordan don't know if you're still here, but thank you. Hope you're doing well today. Hey, I got a question So we were talking about The phone calls with Cassidy. We were gonna save the Until the second call which will be the last call that he actually talks to Cassidy before Cassidy Says you're not coming back. Are you? Right because the first phone call is just him checking in and we're saving that scene for the next one Where Cassidy finally realizes that he's been gone so long. He's not coming back. Mm-hmm, right? Is that correct? Well, yeah, the thing with the phone calls I can't tell I don't know if we're able to tell how many there are gonna be made because I Don't want to have to have a Because you had mentioned a third. I don't want to have a try to add more just to so that we can get to a third phone call if We're gonna have the first one, you know be you know The confirmation that he's actually gone and then the second phone call will be the confirmation that Cassidy understands That you know, he's sad, you know, he knows he's not coming back and then the third one will be the you know when Uncle Trav answers or whoever answers the phone and We're left in you know, we're left wondering what's happened to Cassidy That's the third. That's the three. I was talking about so and each one would serve serve a purpose I feel okay all I'm saying is if if we end up where we have to put a chunk of time between the second and third phone call We could always Like the second phone call is gonna be it's gonna be like well the first phone first phone calls just gonna be like hey, I'm Just letting Cassidy know that yeah, and they don't they don't know he's gone yet Well, I'm what I'm what I'm doing is kind of like they didn't even know you were gone until I asked if anybody's seen you That's what Cassidy says. Okay, so And then the second phone call will be like, you know, they know you're gone You took the stuff or whatever. Yeah. Yeah, they know he just whispers. They know so and then Is it would that be the same phone call where he's like, you know Something like something we were gonna do we're like Cassidy Cassidy very innocently like tells them what yeah I'm sorry. I did tell him that you you know, we're at the Okay, all right, so I'll change. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yes That's what we were gonna do. Yes, and then you know, they got mad because the stuff is missing I think at that point. I think at that point it's a and then like Shane can be like well at least they don't know where I am and Cassidy can be like I Told them, you know, I think that that I can't tell yet But maybe at that point could almost be the beginning of the third act where oh, yeah that point on is Intensity because he gets that phone call. He realizes they're crap. They're coming after me Then he goes to find the coke for sure to get rid of it. It's not here. Where is it? Yeah so if we have a third phone call, that's what I'm saying then we would it would might be a Awkward to try to squeeze it in there. Oh, I told him, okay But you wanted one where Cassidy's not around anymore, right? I wanted one where it travel just answers the answers the phone is like an update He's like he's worried. He's like, you know, how close are they kind of thing? So he wants to call Cassidy and that's when Travis answers the phone and said, you know It's like didn't expect me to answer. Did you some bitch kind of thing? What if instead of that Trav just grabs the phone During the second phone call. Yeah. Oh Yeah, that would really yeah, okay Like he could like immediately after said Cassidy said, I'm sorry. I didn't know or whatever all of a sudden Travis Yeah, he's like carnival, huh? Yeah, that that you know speed of the pace duly duly noted or whatever see you soon Or yeah, you know That's it Got you He's a last one that was in this town was that mingos? whatever See you soon. Bubba, whatever. Yeah, it's something like that. Yeah, okay You remember off the top of your head whether or not Cassidy knew about the carnival beforehand Knew that the carnival. Yeah, no, he didn't he didn't know a thing about it. I didn't I didn't think so Okay, thank you. All right. I have I don't want to but I got to take a break my butts throbbing Anyways, I'll be but I'll try to keep it quick because I know you've got to leave in about 50 minutes Yeah, yeah, don't worry about me Hey, zoop How you doing? Okay, I got a I wrote a scene where Well, it's it's incorporated in here where he's talking about How he needs to be shadowing Who does he need to show the kitty? No boobs. Am I a mute? No, no, I'm listen. I'm sorry. I was listening. Okay, okay I I can hang on. Let me read it Just put your cursor where you're at I Got you. I can read this pretty quick. I Got okay fucking creepy. Sorry It kind of scared me actually Made me flinch I was like fuck It was kind of creepy With all of our differences and disagreements about things man It is really fucking uncanny that we're we're always in the same place. Oh, that's that's good drop something. Oh I can't even see him with the top hat and his lazy eye, dude. I can see him so clearly Drop something. I wanted to give the house a street And start using that like go go back and drop it a few times because It's it makes it so much easier and it sounds so much rolls off the tongue better than Uncle Trav and Aunt Rita's house. Yeah, because I don't ever want to say my home or my house back home so You know Lincoln Street and then if you think about it when we do another draft will Replace some of that aunt and uncle's house or okay sounds good, dude That's real good. Yeah, I like that Lincoln Street. Yeah, I like that Like your hat And it also fits with the conversation he has with Cassidy because he feels bad Lying to him that he won't be gone long the connotations. Just fuck you dude All right, I'll tell you exactly why I'm changing this every editor That's fun that I've ever worked with has got me on that one the trads are especially bad about that one It's one of those snuck or sneaked. Yeah, oh, I guess you've seen the way she looks at me Man Do Gotting not even but I think I wrote that anyways buzz likes being buzz Actually the sentence you had before I actually laughed at I thought it was funny But I because you said ew no, I mean but I put shit No, because it just felt more like that's fine. I don't mind, but I did get a kick out of it you That was just me that was author intrusion is all Yeah, that was definitely just me because he hasn't said you once. Yeah, I Also laughed at the any douche I'm having so much fun coming up with his innings I Had a buddy that used to do that all the time like literally he never repeated it never repeated the same one twice So I'm throwing a little bit of him in there because he oddly enough he kind of resembles what the picture We have a mingo in our heads The it doesn't dress the same way, but that's exactly what he looks like the long wavy hair the I Don't want to say creep that but that certain moustache kind of thing the pencil thin. Yeah And he doesn't on purpose to like he shaves it down to where there's only a line Anyways, I'm glad you you like the library idea Yeah, I do and that that will help us with the Poe thing right turns him on the Poe Yeah The books damn it, you know what I mean kid For when you're Robert playing yes Were you literally chuckling at that as I Yeah, okay It's beyond creepy. It's actually kind of cool. I'd you know, it's just kind of reinforces that where we should be working together I Sit for hours contemplating the words and still wouldn't understand what they mean I Like the way I like you. I like how you change this To what I don't remember what it was originally I know that's not it But leaving it leaving it like that is so much better than what I put because I think I hit the nail on the head Yeah, it was it was it was too close and this one's much better Couldn't walk all day with the last one All right, yes, that's good. I love it So you actually change that and bring the cast into it, you know wish me luck. This one's got a cast Could be dangerous Oh, yeah, wish me luck this one could be dangerous ever after all she's got a cast it's something I don't know but yeah, that's Or a lean in is like, you know cast chafe I don't know something like that. Anyways, what was the last thing you said? I said, um, which wish me luck and then he'll like lean in and be like, you know, if cast chafe Sorry, that's probably not a good one, but it made me giggle Anyways, oh This book is so good. It's like a It's it's like my favorite carnival story. Well, my second favorite carnival story twilight eyes It's very close to that and I love that so much Just everything I could have wanted There's an accidental little nod to twilight eyes in there too really, yeah, I you I think you read it yesterday when they're in the in the box And use the term twilight at pixie like pixie Yeah, I remember that one twilight eyes or something. Yeah, I thought I I didn't even fucking catch it But yeah, you're okay Sweet. Yeah, I love that line by the way because I think I read it out loud. I really liked that line I'm hoping I can salvage any of this fly trap section I don't think I'm gonna be able to Is that is a huge chunk of words? I don't want to get rid of I'll probably use it for something else. I don't know Yeah, don't don't delete it just yet We haven't even we haven't introduced a strong woman Venus So I don't even worry about that and that way I can use it and be as Vulgar as I want in that section in something else Why is Taco Bell all of a sudden fucking emailing me and had Taco Bell in a hot minute Did you ever see that Something popped up in the discussion the other day when I was talking to my sister and I was reminded of I Think it was last year or the year before It was April 20th And I made a joke about it being 420 and how I didn't know what it was that I thought you were supposed to You know, don't know what that means. I think we're supposed to be reading green books or whatever So you look for a green a good green book to read and then I posted a link to foster homes and flies Mm-hmm And I said it goes great with Doritos didn't tag to read didn't tag Doritos didn't use hashtag Doritos As if they did not respond they did they replied and said send me send us your address and we'll get you out some Doritos So I freaking said on my address me a huge box of Doritos. Oh, that's amazing, man That is absolutely awesome like four different flavors. You definitely need to tag them be like the things Taco Bell You know, that's that's amazing Doritos not Taco Bell. That's all right. Sorry. Sorry. Um, yeah It was funny. Yeah, that's amazing. I don't know why I got Taco Bell in the brain now that the email, but anyways, yeah That's that's hilarious So good Let's see here trying to I'm gonna go ahead and set up Friday's link while we're sitting here So don't forget Creatify live stream me face Where am I I'm gonna put will you pop your twitch? Name in either private chat or down here I don't know if it'll allow it in chat, but private chat something so I can paste it into the Let people know that you sometimes stream Well, I got 17 followers It's just Chad Lutzky, but I mean I can is it it's Yeah, but I'm not sure how the It is copy and paste. I could I could run over there and got myself just the link I Put it in the gadget. Oh shit. I forgot. I can't fucking copy and paste, but I'm gonna all type it. That's yeah, that's easy enough Yeah, I didn't I didn't stream last night, but yeah, I've been doing it been trying to every day I I Probably don't know if I will today. No, I won't I got final guess tonight live at 8 o'clock Eastern Julio But tomorrow, I'm sure I will tomorrow and Thursday Friday Friday, you know, I click Thursday a gangist male, come on open Cent all right for those of you at home Watching we will not be we're taking the next two days off because I have an appointment I need to take my oldest to on on Thursday at 10 o'clock, so I won't be here We be by then There's a link done. Oh sure. I don't forget it But yeah, I'll retroactively while I'm uploading videos today. I'll retro a retro actively go back and add Your twitch link to all the old videos Because I really want to boost your stuff over there Get get you to fit all you need is 50 followers and yeah, you can start making money off ads and stuff. I know that I Think most of my followers are from Because I frequent our Monroe's and Melia's Twitch and I got friends in there and I think that's where most of my followers that come from So far Hi, dude. Well, uh Next order of business. I am not done with my section yet up here But I am very close to being done. I might I keep saying I'm gonna I'm going to do this I'm gonna do this when we're not working But then a bunch of other stuff comes up But this time I mean it because I have two more videos to Shoot and upload because yesterday was a bust for anything working on the channel So I'm gonna do those videos today get those done and then I am a hundred percent on This project other than game streams 100% on this project until November and then for nano I'm going to be rewriting certain sections of my other big project What I'm planning on doing is I'm gonna do the audiobook myself. I'm literally just gonna live stream myself Reading the book at the first live stream episode and this is starting in January It's going to be the first couple of sub chapters. I'm gonna do 30 minute Basically audiobooks the first one is going to be free though the first the first entirety of the first Book book first chapter the first chapter is like 22,000 words But it'll be cut up into 30 minute chunks and I will be you know Streaming it and then all the rest of them will be on you know Members only so either that or patreon so that people can you know so that I can make some kind of money out this book But it's gonna be digital and then every Six months There's going to be an omnibus of all the all the episodes or chapters or whatever Then I'm gonna cut together actually I'm not going to cut together because I'm gonna have to chop it up to upload the audiobook And I will upload all those together When the omnibus comes out also and it'll be members only per So that's my plan for now see what uh see what I can do With with this massive project that no publisher will touch And see if I can get how much money are you gonna have to pay for that editing? Which editing oh? Oh, no, I have I have something worked. I have a friend that I work with She's one of the best editors. I've ever worked with period and we kind of go tit for tat back and forth I do graphic design work for her. She does editing for me So and then we we tally up how much we would normally charge for that and then we we swap out so But yeah, I mean if I had you're gonna be doing a ton of graphic design for oh hell Yeah, man, I've already done I've already done numerous ones, but uh, yeah, that's fine because uh It works in PR so I can do things for her for you know her company if I have to that kind of thing so Anyways, um, but yeah, we'll definitely she'll be getting her money's worth Well her time is worth whatever And she's already done one pass of all of it This is just a backup pass to make sure because now I have everything I changed the opening a little bit Changed with other few things around But I think it's ready. It's finally ready and now and that first book is only only I say only 200,000 words so the the The 702,000 after that are much bigger You know sections because the second book is 300,000 the last book is 400,000 so it's Yeah, it's gonna be quite a process, but This one should be done roughly the editing and everything ready to go in January Hopefully crossing fingers and toes But I'm not gonna announce it until I have the full thing ready and then I'll announce it and bring it out and I Don't know if I'm going with Lorna or not But uh, if I'm doing it with this channel, it's going to be if it's not on Lorna It's gonna be tied to me anyways Because I'm not gonna lie to people and be like, oh, I found this awesome book, you know, let me read it to you guys I'm not gonna do that So But yeah, this is this is gonna be a huge huge experiment and the last time I did this it was so Epically successful that I'm kind of worried that Lightning isn't gonna strike twice because the last time I did this was with cruelty I did the cereal stuff and then the omnibuses and I sold thousands of audiobooks over on audible with this one with with cruelty And then the omnibuses sold also the individual episodes sold well, but the omnibuses sold like crazy I did two omnibuses And then I did a third one. I had part one and part two which were the two seasons put together But in separate books when they got done And then finally at the end of everything I did one big omnibuses like 600 some odd pages And that thing sold like crazy over there especially on audible it's still still one of my top sellers but uh and Everybody's saying people don't read long books anymore, but I'm finding the exact opposite Yes, the vast majority of people's attention spans are Shortened these days, but there's actually an audience. Yeah, I mean, I know that novellas have gotten really popular particularly in genre fiction, but And and I and I have to wonder if If it will continue down that route like if even like romance and I think we're going is serial content. I think that's the way we're going Just like television shows and things like that I think a sear a a long sweeping saga broken up into novella length chunks Is going to sell really well. I think I don't know if that would be nice. I mean, I You know, I think I've told you before I want to do a series because I know that is that is where the money at If you want to make money writing that is where it's at. So But my problem is yeah, it's like well I don't want to do 70,000 You know word books. I don't want to do a dozen of those. But if you you know, if I could do 30,000 words Then uh, I can do that. I can handle that I just as you could see man. I just don't I have the hardest time Adding crap. Yeah, just take it all out and it's just I understand I used to be that way and the reason why I am the way I am now is because I worked with a an editor named Lynn And she thought it was the most hilarious thing that Everyone else that she had ever worked with She always had to cut a bunch of superfluous information And when she started working with me, she always had to tell me to add stuff And so now everything that I write I'm constantly and that's how I went from writing, you know, 50,000 word books under the lorn name like, you know, like bays in the dastardly bad All this stuff is any between 50 and 60,000 life after dame all that stuff I went from that to writing tones like cruelty and uh, everything is horrible now and what i'm working on now and a couple other books um, in fact Round that time when I shifted to it finally clicked how to add Interesting information is when I wrote my 412,000 word Fantasy novel that we'll probably never see the light of day. Um, and I just did it I said, I'm gonna write a thousand words a day no less for an entire year and whatever I have at the end of that year is going to be the book And I did that I did more than um, a thousand words a day So it it got well over 365,000 words. Um, but uh Also, I just had there's no market for it whatsoever I've tried sending it out and every single publisher tells me the same thing because it is a fantasy novel with not one single human character in it and no references that anyone Of this world would would would get. Um, so there's no like, you know, the the I don't know the the grass The the dew on the grass sparkled like diamonds. There's no diamonds. There's not even grass There's other, you know vegetation and things like that a lot of that book Um, unfortunately is also finding ways around Calling things what we call them. Um, and it literally opens up with the section. It says, uh, You will find nothing familiar here. So much so forth Um, and then that's the last bit of author intrusion Before the the story takes off Um, and every single publisher I submitted it to said this is great We love it But we want you to add some kind of portal fantasy element and bring someone in from the real world And I'm like, no, I'd have to change everything. Plus it jumps in time A million fucking years it goes because it follows one Tried clan whatever you want to call it one group of Species and then it goes to and that one goes Extinct and it follows another one and then it follows another one And it's literally this entire world Built from the ground up at the beginning All the way until it's apocalypse until the the planet is no more um And it's basically it's also a mosaic novel because once you leave that one group of people or not people but I don't know what to call them the the cast once you leave that cast You jump ahead thousands of years and sometimes the jump is even you know like a hundred thousand years or whatever they call their years I never really got into that as far as denoting time So that was another interesting challenge like not even referencing like it's been 10 minutes or it's been one moon or whatever I've had to find different ways of doing that kind of stuff But anyways everyone I tried to uh to sell it to all of them wanted me to put a human character in it And I just like I have no interest whatsoever in that so I appreciate your time. Goodbye I even had one come back and said, you know, we can talk about this We can I was like no because then it would be like every other fantasy novel And it would be told through the eyes of this human character and I don't want that So the the closest thing I've ever read to it is adam neville Uh wrote a a book with no characters. No dialogue. No characters nothing. I think it's called Uh the weird the the word or w y r d. I think it's called anyways a very interesting experiment I didn't like it. Um, but is a very interesting experiment. I was like what if What if I wrote a fantasy novel if I'm going to write a fantasy novel and not do anything anyone else has done How am I going to do that? And it was a fun challenge trying to describe things and put people in situations without any Without any references to anything that the reader would know completely completely creating this whole new world societies even even down to you know, the type of places that they live so on and so forth, but Anyway, I've been thinking about first of all the idea of mosaic novels really attracts I'm attracted to right now and I like the idea and I'm considered doing something because I'm reading goblin and that is a Yeah, you know that and I've never really read one before I did read ellen get ellen vexers I think it's called the gulp Um, yeah, ellen bet. Yeah. Yeah, that's a good one. I love that and and then I did the uh, you know kind of like a mosaic thing with bobboard and john uh, bode one idea with the uh, the strangest twist upon her lips, but it's it's It's it's connected tightly with Bob's but not with john's but I like that idea and uh reading um Yeah, reading goblin just makes me want to Do something like that Even more my thing has always been though like Since I write novellas, it's like dang well, I could have five more books out Yeah, you know instead of just this one. I get it. Yeah that people are like I don't really like collections because collections at least for me and a lot that I've seen they just Some sell most don't sell and that's where the term mosaic novel comes in comes into play because Publishers needed something to call interconnected Uh, you know novellas so that you know, they would sell lovecraft country is one In fact, if you want me to send you the first book In the in I say you can read how I did it because my big project is a mosaic also Um, I can I can send you that but that one um, ohio by steven markley. I think you'd fucking love Um, it's another mosaic novel. Um, it is gritty as hell His writing is absolutely Off the charts amazing. He's not short and succinct But when he does get verbose it still reads very quickly. He's kind of like king in that way But uh, yeah, ohio is amazing. I think I want to I think I want to do that But something along the lines more of like Like we talked about was it four rooms? Yeah, something something more literary But still but still dark. I don't know if it would be crime or or involve like a I don't know trailer park or a Fictional town or something like that. I don't know. I also would like to start taking more chances and Writing with more. I think I already write with confidence, but writing with even more confidence knowing that I'm Like certain things are going to alienate people because I think that That the people who take chances. I don't know. I just really Uh, I really respect that and I think the only time I took a where I felt like I took a chance was a book that will That bruises on a butterfly. It won't be out till till january but because that has a It's got your regular coming of age thing sad body horror coming of age thing, but then it's got uh this um Sub thing where one of the kids in it is writing a children's book in that or or Not really children's books but a short story and that short story is in there, too And so once in a while, you you know, every every you went you went misery That's that's what I think of Misery has the only difference between the movie and the book Other than the fact that she's in the acts. Yeah is that King literally puts in the book The chapter is that he writes for the new misery book The misery chastain book that paul's writing It's literally in the book. So you you end up reading how Misery chastain comes back from the bed and all that stuff There's quite a bit in there actually so yeah, I haven't read on that but yeah And it's still a short ass read if you took out If you took out the stuff from that paul wrote it it Takes 50 pages off an already 300 page book So there there's quite a bit in there of the stuff that he writes Um, and it really hammers home him putting that in there hammers home When uh when paul destroys the book because it's really good stuff Um that that he has written so it really makes you feel like you know, it's it's a huge Huge slight to to annie that he destroys the book Um, absolutely wonderful scene. I think one of the like I said, I have not read it Yeah, you haven't seen the movie I could have swore I saw the movie when it first came out, which was what 88 or 89 90 something like that I don't remember anything about it except for wintertime the the uh um Kathy Bates and the hammer and then that's it my apologies, dude I thought for sure that you that you knew the uh, no Yeah, I I uh, I'm sorry The the movies that I've seen for uh, steven king, I've been trying to get A few decades in between where I You know Where I will finally read the book like I'm not going to read dr. Sleep anytime soon because I just saw the movie a few years ago I'm probably I don't even know if I'll ever know or read kujo because I still remember that really well And I already know the different ending because okay Yeah, then there's no reason to read it because other than that the it's the same fucking experience I'm scared of pit cemetery because I have kids and I already I already nobody worries like I do man. Yeah, somebody walks out every time somebody one of my kids walks out the door I think Well, I might not ever see them, but it's my brain is no no. I do it. I'm a father. I understand. I really do It's yeah, it's it's one of those things like I'm I had such I was so proud and so happy The dan got the job yesterday, but at the same time I'm like, I'm not going to be able to protect them while they're at work And that's like, okay, you're gonna have to trust you're gonna you just trust it let it go But in the back of my mind, it's just always there The one thing that I don't do is I don't let them know how terrified I am You know, they they don't watch the stream so I can say that's all I want but uh anyways it's One of those things where I don't want them to be hobbled in life because they're worried about me worrying about them Yeah, so I try to keep that down, but I do tell them, you know, I love you I don't want a thing to happen with you to you just be safe that kind of thing reiterate that all the time my boys are both, uh They're painters. So they paint uh residential and um, oh business and stuff And so sometimes they're really high up on ladders. Yeah, sometimes that ladder is on another ladder And this is why women live longer, dude And they'll send me a picture. I mean, it's safe The the the the guy that they work for is a very successful Um operation he's got going on as a friend of mine and um He uh, he's very very safe. It's not like and things aren't like gerry rake There are certain ways that you could be safe, but still it's like You know, it's like you guys don't send me these freaking pictures of you 40 feet off the ground Don't send us. Oh kids suck dude. They're like, look at me being dangerous. Like stop it. You have no idea Uh, and none of your none of your kids have kids yet, right? Or is that right? No, I got two grandkids Well, I no, I'm sorry. I got three grandkids The new the one is there's one that's fairly new got it. Yeah, okay. One of my grandkids is the nation They should know better at this point They should know better like you're a parent too. Would you want to see that? Yeah, anyways, yeah, one of my grandkids is 13 ones 10 and ones I don't think he's too yet He's the one I see the most but got you Yeah Crazy and is that nicota's kid or didn't nicota have no nicota is only 18 Okay, that's the one that lives with you and you borrow his xbox sometimes. That's right. Okay Yeah, no elijah is my oldest and he's 27 and uh him and his girl have a kid And then my daughter has two kids she lives with her girlfriend at She just moved back from indiana. So it's nice to have her close to home again. That's cool. That's cool So you got two boys and a girl. Yeah I had no idea. I thought you just had the boys. Um, I've never really paid attention. Um, So like I don't know if you posted about the uh, this sounds terrible like you never talked about your daughter But I just don't remember that I think it's because Uh, I don't see her as well coda lives here, right and then elijah is here Uh, he comes here Once or twice a week, you know and hangs out and stuff and we're really close because we both love horror. We both love punk rock and and um So he's as a matter of fact, he's good friends with a lot of my friends who are my age Because they'll meet him at a punk show and be like, hey, you know chair. Let's get her like, yeah I'm his kid and then they become friends and stuff That's awesome, dude. Uh, yeah, it's pretty cool. But we have a lot in common. So he comes and hangs out and then christin she um You know, she's just so busy with all her pets and her kids that you know and her girlfriend that that we don't see her as much Mary my wife sees her more because that's just the girls, you know, and they Hang it out. But yeah, it's it's probably because Um, I see elijah and coda more and just the fact that we have more in common. Yeah, and so Their name just happens to probably get I love that fucking name by the way If I have not told you that nicota and just calling them coda as a nickname That is a great fucking name. How I know you got to go but how'd you come up with that? I've never heard nicota Um, I've heard similar from like indigenous, you know people name in their kids, but I've never heard nicota Uh, well, we named elijah From the bible, you know, we want to have a biblical name, but I wanted his name to be shine um Instead of elijah and mary my wife was like She's just like, uh, that's too she didn't want to take that chance. It was like hippie hippie bullshit No, I'm just people get used to it people get used to it It was like, how about his middle name? So his middle name is elijah. His middle name is shine Elijah shine cool. That's a nice name. I would use that for a book. I would use that as a pin name. That's a great name Actually, it's his it's his name on um On uh, facebook. He just uses elijah shine. So anyway, he uh, also sounds like a great band name But anyways, yeah, he um So we wanted another biblical name for Nicota, but we would didn't want like Matthew or Luke or you know something like that. We wanted something just different So I saw this word nicota and it was it I can't give you the proper definition, but it has something to do with a tribe of people Okay, like the nicotas or something. Yeah, and I just thought I freaking sounds sweet. Yeah You know and sometimes he does some of his teachers like when he first starts a class or meet somebody they're like They try to call him nicota. He's like, no, it's nicota Yeah, that's actually what I thought his name was for a while because I only ever heard you call him coda And I figured it was because it was nicota. Um, but nicota I love I love that name That's a that's a really cool name. He didn't like it for a while. I was like you gotta understand Dude, you've got a name that nobody needs to know nobody needs to say your last name You're gonna be that dude. That's like, you know, like I got a friend named Shiloh Love that name and it's like if you say Shiloh, everybody knows who you're talking about You know, you know, it's not like paul paul who john john gobers Yeah, so so I was like, it's just you know coda or nicota. So, um, you got a cool name, man He likes it now, but yeah, he he didn't like it for a while. I just thought hang on never mind That's not what I thought anyways. All right, so, uh That's it anything else you want to say before you go. I know you had begun it like four minutes ago Yeah, uh final guys tonight live at eight o'clock eastern unless he is doing his thing, uh live streaming I am but y'all go y'all can go watch them. It's okay. Not you don't have to only watch my content Let's go subscribe to me. 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