 I'm going to show you the cover of my issue of Munchkin coming out in February. You know we're live. Ooh, sneak peek. Yes, I do. Oh, awesome. Finished it today. That is the cover. That is the cover. So cool. I'm so happy to finish it. Are you at the Hack 5 warehouse, Patrick? I am. Because I hear dogs barking. Ooh, that's a dog now. It's not bothersome to me. It's just I'm like, oh, Patrick's not at home. It's funny. They usually don't come up with this microphone. So I'm kind of impressed that through that. It's one of those days. You have to hear them at five in the morning. It's kind of awe-inspiring and terrifying. Like there's some sort of sacrificial dog worship thing going on over there. And then they all start howling. It's the saddest thing in the river to do life. It's probably a cat. You ready to do a show? Sure. Do this. And also with you. Sorry. My name is Lemperalta. I'm seeing Star Wars tomorrow at 10 a.m. All right, here we go. This is a public DTNS announcement. A message in English will follow. Welcome to the show with daily technological news with Tom Merritt and guests. My name is Karl, and I'm one of several executive co-producers, and also one of Tom's bosses. You can also get through to getting a dollar or more in the month on Patreon.com. This is The Daily Tech News for Friday, December 18, 2015. Spoiler-free. I'm Tom Merritt. Joining me today, Mr. Patrick Norton, host of Tech Thing, as well as many other fine internet products. How are you, sir? I am full of no spoilers. I am spoiler-free. I went through the spoiler test by the people with the thing and the vents and the micro-examination. You didn't watch the movie, right? Is that what you're saying? I could have just said that. Or I mean, I guess you could have gone on the internet and researched it without watching it and then spoil it. That would be extra nasty. Also spoiler-free is Lemperalta, who is here to illustrate the episode as usual. How are you, sir? My name is Lemperalta, and I like Star Wars. It is my friend. So what are you excited? Yeah, I am excited. I'm not seeing it until tomorrow morning at 10 a.m., so I'm trying my hardest to stay off of social media and not spoil anything for me. All right. Well, we are going to spoil tech news. If you don't want to know what the tech news today is, tune out now because we are going to talk about that. Let's start with the headlines. Samsung Pay and Apple Pay have both reached agreements with China's Union Pay. That's a bank along with support from partner banks. Union Pay is the only bank in China that conducts interbank payments. So you kind of need them on board so that money can be transferred all around. Samsung Pay and Apple Pay still need testing and certification before they can launch, but they expect to get that next year. And Reuters has three people familiar with the matter who say Target is in the early stages of building their own mobile payment system because their breach getting Patrick's his third credit card in 12 months currently wasn't enough. We are going to get you a little started on it as our discussion topic is about mobile payments today, but we can wait for that. Evernote is ending distribution updates and support for several standalone apps including Sketch. But just the Windows iOS and Android versions, the Mac version is going to stick around. The Evernote clearly reading extension and the Evernote Pebble app are also going away. Companies said features from the apps are integrated into Evernote's main app and as far as Pebble users, they can use the PowerNotar app. Apps will not be available after January 22nd even if you download them before then. Don't forget they won't be updating them or supporting them after January 22nd. It seems like Evernote is in a cost consolidation mode here. Yeah, I don't know. They're cutting everything off, they're shutting things down. Either that or they just realize, I can remember at one point we were like, huh, less than 5% of our downloads go to this particular weird obscure video format. Let's cut that off and hopefully they'll migrate somewhere else. I mean it's frustrating because it seems like everybody's consolidating and now cutting things off, reducing things. Except for Twitter who's realized that their entire ecosystem being understood depends on third party products that they internalize, screwed up and are now desperately trying to fix. Networking vendor Juniper announced Thursday it had discovered unauthorized code in its screen OS that could, quote, allow a knowledgeable attacker who can monitor VPN traffic to decrypt the traffic. Juniper has released a patch that fixes that backdoor as well as a SSH bug that they found. The issues do not affect the newer SRX firewalls running the Junos OS. E-Week points out Juniper was named as making devices that could be infiltrated by the US NSA in a December 2013 story in Der Spiegel that was covering documents leaked by Edward Snowden so it may be that Juniper was looking to see if that was true and finally found the backdoor. Yeah, it's, I don't know, it's been so many believable flaws this year. And I'm also the idea of running a DDoS against their system internally by doing an SSH into it just seems like there's a big door that they need to shut in a very quick way. Well, they shut that one too, so that's good. And it is very disturbing to find unauthorized code. Like having an SSH bug that somebody could DDoS you on is a bad vulnerability, but it's the kind of vulnerability that there is precedent for. Having some unauthorized code that made its way into your product, is absolutely disconcerting as well. Who put that there? Why did they put that there? What did it do? What else did they put there? Can we use the signature from this code to try to figure everything else out? No, I wouldn't be uptight if I ran to uniform them. No, absolutely not. TV's Travis wanted us to note that VLC is now available for Chrome OS. Video Land's President Jean-Baptiste Kemp wrote that the VLC team ported the Android version of VLC using App Runtime for Chrome, which let them reuse 95% of the code. That way they didn't have to scratch a JavaScript. You can get VLC for Chrome OS on the Chrome Web Store right now. This is one of the few apps that I've heard of taking advantage of the ability to do App Runtime for Chrome, but with all of these rumors about Chrome and Android potentially moving towards more merger or overlap, maybe more will do this, or maybe it's just VLC has like ace coders. I don't know. Chrome says that they are not going away. That was grossly misinterpreted, that statement a couple of months ago. I don't know. I think it's good for Chrome. The more people that migrate apps using ARP over to Chrome, the more functional the operating system will be. By the way, it's really good. You like it. I looked at a couple of $200 PCs last week on tech thing, like one running Windows 10 and one running Chrome and I expected to be disgusted by them both and they were both actually pretty awesome. Yeah, and this is a good example of an app on Chrome that doesn't need an internet connection. They do exist. You can just play the videos that you've stored on the machine. It's the short list. It is a short list. TM204 wanted us to mention that Ars Technica reports the USFCC has asked Comcast, AT&T and T-Mobile USA to answer questions about their programs that exempt certain types of data from counting against customer data limits. Relevant technical and business personnel are being asked to be made available for discussions by January 15th. AT&T allows advertisers to pay for data by they allow advertisers to pay for your data, basically and say, oh, if you get it from us, it won't count against your cap. T-Mobile exempts video and audio services, although they don't charge the services for that and Comcast exempts its own stream TV service, which they say runs on their internal network and never goes out on the internet, hence the need not to count it against the cap. This is the FCC is quick to say we're only investigating this to find out more about it. We are not investigating it as pursuant to a complaint or to shut it down. Well, they can't call it a complaint because in the Republican party they'll try to finish defunding them or denying their ability to, I don't know, the whole it's this is exactly the kind of chicanery that, especially on Comcast part, that neutrality is supposed to prevent and really, see, I kind of feel like Comcast has the strongest defense here, which is if you shut off the internet, our stream TV service still works. We're just running it on our own pipes. There might be a competitive internet service, which we also opened up to other IP based services that we choose that is not part of our internet service, but runs in exactly the same way, but is private. Ergo is not internet service and we can invite anything we want on to it. Well, basically they're saying we're running, I mean, we run cable over the same lines. That's not a net neutrality violation. This one, I mean, it is an anti-competitive thing where you might say, hold on, you're putting a piece of you know, you're putting a video service out here that competes with Netflix, which is also you know, subscribed to by your customers. That's no different than cable TV to me from the customer end. You're probably you're probably right. I probably should back down, but it just is the fact that that that Comcast is working so hard to lay the groundwork for their cap and effectively, you know, 50% boost by as we start sort of, you know, as more and more households are downloading more and more 1080p video and starting to move towards 4K video distribution, Comcast is laying all this nice groundwork in all these small and medium-sized cities so they can effectively build in a 50% increase over your existing cable rate and in most places or cable internet rate and in most of the country there will be no opposition to this. Although if you're like in Chattanooga, if you're in Gig City or someplace else that serves, it is a great time. If they still hit you with that cap, that threat to up your prices, just go to Google Fiber. Well, AT&T is also announcing, we'll see what they actually turned on to service, but they're announcing lots of fiber competition in lots of places, so maybe we'll see more of that. Google is coming to more places, better late than never. I mean, this stuff takes time, so I know, but it just seems like AT&T could have taken broadband speeds more seriously a long time ago. I agree that they should have reformed before now. I'm glad to see them at least making the right, saying the right things. If we actually see more competition, that's what I want. I was about to say you're a kinder human being than I am, but then you went to be saying the right things. Well, because they made a big deal of how, like, we're bringing fiber to Los Angeles. I'm like, where? Every zip code I put in says it's not available yet. Well, this is also the company that invented the idea of a technical economist so they could write a hundred-page pre-sees for Congress to explain why. Just because you're paying for 50 megabits down, Thomas, doesn't mean you actually get 50 megabits down more than one web page at a time. This whole idea that you can stream video over your service, no, no, no, no. Facebook holds the title for Top Smartphone App in the U.S., according to a new Nielsen report. Facebook is estimated to have 126 million users per month with YouTube at number two with 97 million. Facebook Messenger came in at number three with 96.4 million users, a 31% increase over 2014. Google Search, Google Play, Google Maps and Gmail follow in that order and Apple Music landed at number nine with 54.5 million users. TechCrunch writes that the ranking was based on the average number of unique users based on a monthly survey of more than 30,000 U.S. mobile subscribers of 13 years of age or older. It's all Facebook and Google when you're talking about apps that people use. I'm just still amazed that Apple Music Man hasn't come in at nine. Yeah, well, free trial, I guess. I mean, I used it, you know, a little bit when it first launched. Another going endorsements. Well, backhanded, I get it, but yeah, it's always interesting to see this. I don't think there's anything surprising in it. True, except maybe that Apple Music Man. Friday morning, the U.S. Congress passed its omnibus budget bill within which, as we had mentioned earlier, was the entire text of the Cyber Security Information Sharing Act of 2015 without any previously added privacy protections. There had been some compromises attempted. Those compromises were not included in this text. If signed by the president, as it's expected to be, the law would allow companies to share data with government agencies without liability if needed to combat a cyber security threat. It also eases restrictions on the government sharing of information among its own agencies for the same purpose. I've never been against the actual intent of allowing information to be shared easily when going after security problems. I think that is necessary. I think there needs to be breaks on liability and especially within the government to allow agencies to share information with each other easier. What has always been the problem here is they baked in no privacy protections to make sure the data was scrubbed of unessential data. And when they tried to add those, they killed the bill and then slipped it in without them on a budget omnibus. This is unfortunate. This is scumbagry. I don't know how. I can't think of another word. I think fits it better. This is just scummy and vile and I'm disappointed. Senator Feinstein and everyone else who's all enthusiastic about this bill, it sucks. It's just going to be nasty and messy and open up a lot of information to organizations and agencies that don't need it. Yeah. Here's the thing. You're going to hear a lot of people defend this bill saying, hey, we need to be able to do these things and we're going to catch criminals with them and they're right. We need to be able to do the things that this bill allows. What they didn't do was prevent this law from being abused. There are no safeguards now for someone deciding, well, we think this is a crime so we're going to use the information for this or we've shared all this information into this database. Oops, somebody looked at it all and now they have your information. Those are the kinds of things that I'm upset about with this. Yes. And especially given the extraordinary success and security that our federal government has had in the past couple of years. Hey man, don't pick on the federal government. It's every large organization on earth has had a problem with that and every large organization on earth is beat up if they don't have the proper privacy policy that say where they store your private information and how they handle it. The government just wrote you the worst terms of service in the world is what just happened. Well, effectively they wrote no terms of service. Yeah. Well, the terms are we get your data and you don't get to say anything about it. And again, private companies need to volunteer to hand this over. The government isn't like making them hand it over. It's not like a FISA court situation but companies are going to be willing to do this because they want somebody who's attacking their network. And so they're going to share things. And what this does is make it so that they don't have to worry about what they're sharing. They can share whatever they want without worrying about what's in there. So I guess at this point, since it's going to become law, go after the companies and pressure them to give you a term of service that says they won't hand that over. I doubt that that's going to work either. But that would be the only lever you'd have left other than getting this overturned. And that's what Congress right now and looking people that actually respect the American populace. You make it sound so easy. Well, you know. Blackberry reported its first revenue rise at nine quarters at $548 million, up 12% over the previous quarter. Still a drop over last year, $793 million. Company lost three cents a share, but that beat expectations of a loss of 14 cents a share. And software revenue rose from $70 million last quarter and 70% of that is recurring. And they want to get that up to 80%. Some of this sounds really bad. Going from $793 down to $548. But this is a battleship that John Chen has been trying to turn. And this shows that it is in fact turning. Yes. Slower, I'm sure, than he wants or anybody else wants. But it's not going down completely in flames. He's not trying to figure out how to raise it up off the bottom. But it's higher off of the bottom than it was several months ago. He's starting to push the helicopter that is BlackBerry OS off the side to get a little ballast. Ow. Seattle Times reports that unnamed cargo industry executives say Amazon has been inquiring about the possibility of leasing around 20 Boeing 767 jets. The hope would be to put them in operation by the end of January. Amazon owns some drivers and some trucks. They also own warehouses. And there was even part of the Seattle Times article that suggested maybe Amazon would carry packages for other people if they had extra space. Which is normal in the cargo business. Then they might become a shipper for all kinds of things. Well, Amazon's always looking for another way to sort of diversify themselves in yet another corner. I mean, it's amazing how many companies essentially exist solely to service Amazon contracts. And I think it's curious that Amazon's actually service themselves, rather than one of those companies kind of popping out of nowhere to manage its system for them. Or maybe it is and people just haven't realized it's separate yet. Well, it's the classic almost 19th century story of like, oh, I built a train but now I need some land so I'll buy all the land. And now I need some oil so I'm going to buy all the oil mines. And now I need a coal mine because I need a lot of coal. And then you end up with something that owns a company that owns everything end to end. And it's like, oh, huh, these planes that we pay to take our packages don't do exactly what we want. So let's buy planes. Well, yeah, it's kind of gilded age of you to think that way. And actually, they're a pretty gilded age. Well, I don't know, it's hard to say when you look at like, you know, Google creating the alphabet group of companies so they can, you know, make it easier for shareholders to digest the idea that, you know, hey, we're going to make autonomous vehicles and we do this web search thing. You know, certainly Amazon can get stranger and stranger, although Amazon's businesses tend to seem to be core to the core business. Yeah, with exceptions, right? Stuff like, I'm trying to think Goodreads is an example of something that's a little bit separate. Comixology has been a little bit separate. They do own some enterprises that they assume you would assume they would absorb and they leave them alone. So, yeah, well, I mean Comixology or Goodreads, these are all sort of things related to the core business, which is... And yet, they don't absorb them. I think that's what's so surprising to me. They may not want to. I'm trying to think there are some other things they own, too. And obviously, there's all the web serving stuff, but yeah. Right. I want to search, what does Amazon own? Oh, 12 companies. You might not know that Amazon owns. And they are right now. I don't know. Apparently, the internet is slow today. This all, this makes good TV. I'm telling you. There you go, folks. Hey, submit some stories. Let us know what you want to talk about. DailyTechnewshow.Reddit.com is an excellent place to do that. It is one of the main things we take into account when we decide what to put in the show every day. Get in there and vote. DailyTechnewshow.Reddit.com and that is a look at the headlines. All right. So we got Apple Pay and Samsung Pay headed into China. That's not real big surprise. Then we got Reuters saying, hey, Target might want to be making its own mobile wallet. And then we heard last week, it was the last week, it was the 10th that Walmart wants to make its own mobile wallet. And Walmart and Target are both still, even though they're making their own wallets, part of currency, which is a merchant customer exchange effort to create its own mobile payment system. And that's the one most famous in the United States anyway for getting Apple Pay out of the CVS drugstore chain because they wanted to wait until, you know, currency was implemented. Currency, Walmart, Target, all of those systems work on the idea of scanning a QR code with your camera on your phone to activate the payment system. And Android Pay and Apple Pay work by doing an NFC communication. And then of course Samsung has their own loop pay involvement for Samsung Pay, which means you don't even have to have NFC. You can use NFC or you can emulate a card swipe. So that's a mess. Then you start wondering, well, wait a minute. I'm already a mess with all of these different payment systems, Patrick. Why is it and I have an answer for this, but why is it that we have Target and Walmart wanting to get in? Wouldn't they just wait to pick a winner and go with that? No, because then the winner would get the skim and they wouldn't get the skim on the billions of dollars of revenue they gather, harvest, sell annually. I mean basically everybody wants that percentage. Everybody wants the credit card percentage or the processing percentage or the access to the traffic or the access to the data or they keep their data out of other people's services. I mean, the Apple Pay in Samsung is profoundly obvious, right? 1.35 billion people I think the CNN article says that Apple made 12.5 billion in revenue in China in Q4, primarily on the new iPhones and tablet sales and stuff. You know, it's the largest at this point, it's the largest and most attractive market out there. Walmart and Target, they just want to keep a greater percentage of the money that's coming through the door and anytime they can eliminate any partner that's part of the revenue stream. I mean, I love Patreon, I love Patreon to death, but like, you know, 5% of it goes to Patreon, 5% of it goes to the credit card company and it's like, you know, if you're Walmart or Target, you're big enough to eliminate those partners to turn around and be like, hey! Trust us! The attractiveness of current C was that they would bypass the whole credit card system and avoid a ton of fees, not all of them, but a lot of them. What Walmart and Target are saying is that's taking too long, so we'll go ahead and partner up with the credit card companies but we'll be able to strike a better deal because we're working directly with them instead of going, you know, taking a card that comes in, which is essentially what you're doing with Apple Pay, it's just taking any card and you have to pay a percentage to the credit card companies for that. The other consideration, though, is customer information. This applies to current C Walmart, Target, any of them. If you use Apple Pay, they don't know anything about you. In fact, they know less about you than if you use your credit card because it masks your credit card information and uses this dynamic number to verify you. Whereas if you use your Walmart payment system, Walmart will keep track of everything you buy and that's valuable information to have about you. Yeah, it is. I don't know. I mean, there's Android Pay, Samsung Pay, Apple Pay. I don't know. I keep thinking, and again, obviously I'm a little cranky after going through so many. I have three or four debit cards in 18 months. One got replaced. One was replaced for natural reasons, then one got replaced for Home Depot, then it got replaced for Target, and then I got a chip and pin card. The other chip and pin card they should have been giving out eight or ten years ago. Which in theory will be the card to end all cards unless I decide to move everything on to my phone. But I find myself less than trustworthy in organizations and have had profound breaches in the past. I was like, hey, at least Walmart. They're pretty feral and you're like, nah, nah, here's a link to a story from Walmart's Canadian photo store that A. had all of its customer information taken and B was like, eh, that's nice. That's a rounding error to try to fix. Never mind. I think that Apple Pay and Android Pay provide the best hope for preventing breaches because they don't store any credit card information and the retailers are going to be against us with this because they want to store your credit card information because they want to track you. But the other thing to keep in mind and for people who actually understand how this works, I apologize I'm going to oversimplify this, but for people to understand you think when I go in and hand my credit card over, the merchant swipes it, a percentage is taken out to go to the credit card company and the merchant keeps the rest. It's way more complicated than that. It's way more complicated than what I'm going to describe, but there's an excellent ours Technica article from 2014, from just last October, 2014, so just more than a year ago, about how this all really works and to boil it down. I mean the merchant is one part of this. The credit card issuer, the bank that gives you your card, like Bank of America or Chase or whatever, that's another part. Then there is the card processor. The processor is not your bank and it's not the merchant. It sends the transaction info to the card issuer, your bank to take money from your account and it also takes a little cut along the way and then there's the merchant acquirer who signs up the merchants to accept cards and routes the transactions to the merchants. So when you make a payment, your card ID and your merchant's ID are sent to this processor, right? Two of the, one of the four people involved in your transaction. An authorization request is sent to the bank that issued the card. Bank says, yeah, that's a good card. It approves the, or denies it, but it approves the authorization. The merchant acquirer then, another of the four separate from the processor receives that response relays that to the merchant. Then the merchant sends that transaction to the merchant acquirer to get their money. That merchant accounting system, which is sometimes a separate company, but sometimes part of the merchant acquirer, sends that transaction to the card network. Visa and MasterCard, by the way, operate outside of all of this. They're just an organization that processes and facilitates all this. They're not one of those four that we mentioned. Are you following me? No, I'm not. Well, yeah, I'm envisioning like, like, like you with the thing where you're drawing the football play on the screen, you know, and then the band comes out and then I just the merchant. Anyway, to finish it off for those who were following the two of you merchant accounting system sends the transaction to the card network and deducts fees and instructs the difference to be deposited into the merchant account through something called the automated clearing house. Whenever you see on your bill, ACH, that's what that other entity involved sometimes owned by one of the four, but not always. So you've got a lot of people taking a little cut. It's no surprise that the retailers are like, gosh, if we did the currency thing, we at least cut one entity out of this and one slice of that fee that we get to keep and on a scale like Walmart, that's a lot of money. And you can understand why there's resistance from all of these pieces of these transactions to be like, well, hold on, Apple pay. If you happen, what happens to my fee? Because maybe in this particular card issuer's system, I get it, but now I'm cut out because you're using that dynamic number from this other system. So there's a lot of complexities and a lot of stakeholders to get to sign off on this stuff. To get to sign off of or who are going to throw road blocks into every opportunity to prevent a simpler financial transaction system for the commuter and or yeah, tomato to bottom my ass. I don't know. I am filled with profound concerns of the ability and who knows, maybe Target learned their lesson and maybe Walmart just had a thing in Canada and I know it's Canada. It's a humorous thing. Please don't fill my inbox. I don't hate Canada. But perhaps the Canadian division of Walmart had a bad day and that doesn't represent the U.S. Walmart operations, but it's man I'm curious to see how this all ends out and I'm curious to see whether or not it turns out to be secure. There's part of me that believes that the Apple Pay system and the Android systems are better in a number of ways for a security standpoint, but there have been so many gross abject, gross, vile fails. As if with one voice, BioCal and TinVec both in the chat room talked about the blockchain, right? And don't let that word scare you. BioCal says you're describing why Bitcoin was made. The public does all of this instead of those companies who charge a fee. That's the way the blockchain is supposed to work and TinVec said relating to the recent blockchain talk, could this system be replaced with something open source? I don't know that that's exactly what the Linux Foundation's effort with IBM is meant to do, but it doesn't seem outrageous to think that it could. The reason it might not is because you have all of these companies who are card issuers and processors and merchant acquirers who are going to resist something coming along and cutting them out of the process. I like the idea of blockchain or blockchain like technology, whatever we're calling IBM Intel. IBM does amazing things. Cisco can have good days, London Stock Exchange, these are all. There's a lot of sophisticated smart organizations tied into this, but I don't know I like the idea of the open ledger project. I can't imagine how many decades that would take to bring into fruition. I don't know what the tempting fruit on that is for the majority of the players to move on to that, because there are so many bit players in this in so many corners, most of whom are doing such a half ass job enough to be cranky. Starting with the corporations that have the brick and mortar stores or the websites where the money is coming in and building after there. There's a lot of them that do a fantastic job and they're fighting against an unbelievably dense entrenched vicious dedicated enemy because the amount of intelligence being applied to breaking into systems these days to steal things is kind of incomprehensible you know and so we need, you know, this is like yet another area where we need somebody to be rebuilt from the ground up to make it all more secure and more functional but you know every time I see something that thinks like it's going to make everything work better anything, you know, Diane Feinstein will probably figure out a way to ban it. Or some invested interest, right? Somebody that's usually what gets in the way of a good idea maybe one thing that they could do is get the retailers on their side and say look we know you're going to lose a little bit of tracking customers maybe there's other ways to get them to give you that information but hey what if we could get rid of all of your credit card processing fees? I mean, would that be something you would be interested in? Absolutely and then the credit card processing fees are going to go insane and they're going to call their what if you get a Walmart if you get a Walmart on your side then you got backlash of the Titans at least I'm not saying it's a clear win if you get Walmart and Amazon both taking all of their money they spend in Congress to help keep this thing from being blocked and they do it for 2% they do it for half a percent yeah, let's get on to our pick of the day from Alan who wants to know if you've heard of an app called Scene E I have not heard of this until he wrote in he says it's super neat basically it's kind of like a 3D Instagram you snap and pan horizontally for about a second and it works out the parallax you go to scene.co not only are they embeddable but it lets you export it as an animated GIF or MP4 too it's free on iOS and Android you can see their popular posts here and he's got a link to the gallery to get an idea sadly their fancy 3D scanning app demoed in the main site is not public only their instagram-ish one but it's still pretty cool it was really cool, I like the cat nose yeah, thank you Alan for sending that along send your picks to us folks, feedback at dailytechnewshow.com you can find my picks and more at dailytechnewshow.com real quick one message before we get out of here Kevin Jenkins says I've been listening to the rapid developments in autonomous vehicles that you've been regularly reporting on and it strikes me that the country that should adopt this technology first is Saudi Arabia Saudis have one of the world's worst road accident rates if not the highest sometimes and introducing autonomous vehicles would neatly sidestep the issue of women not being allowed to drive further, Saudi is a wealthy country that could afford to invest in infrastructure to make this a reality setting aside the accuracy and presentation and human rights and all of that side of it there do seem to be some really nice conditions that plug right into taking benefits from autonomous vehicles yeah, well also if you look at traffic fatality death rates it's actually I don't think Saudi Arabia is quite that high okay, so Kevin may have overestimated Eritrea is 48.4, Dominican Republic, Libya, Thailand, Venezuela, Nigeria, South Africa, Iraq, Guinea-Bissau and then Chad with Ganda it goes on for a long time but the, I don't know I'm still kind of fascinated watching the Sacramento here in California kind of try to figure out how they are going to regulate this which seems to be they seem to be obsessed with like who who's going to be responsible, who can we sue, who's the insurance going to be pinned on right because they have a driver behind there well who's going to be responsible for anything that goes wrong is a very important question and I get that their answer of whoever's operating the car whether they're driving or not is a little ham-fisted but I think it's the right one to start with and then you work backwards and I think Google's screaming about it because they look at this as way too slow and they may have a point but honestly in this case I'm like yeah you know what let's not allow the ones without an operator because it'll freak people out and as soon as one possible thing goes wrong it sets us back 20 years let's go cautiously and get people used to the idea first I think that's important yeah I also think the flip side of that is the likelihood of somebody to panic in a situation and grab the steering wheel or be upset that the autonomous vehicle is driving in a safe and prudent manner rather than as fast as they want to go maybe you know over resultant accidents and problems that will be always going to be a risk with this whether the liability is on the driver and now you have a clear person at fault well I'm waiting for the first case where there's a steering wheel on autonomous system and somebody does something stupid and what the chain of evidence is going to be how the company is going to defend its autonomous driving system from the individual because you know I mean you live in California you see how people drive X equals state you live in in that statement and I've lived in a bunch of states as you have too right what's the state that you were living in and you're like wow people here drive great every time I visit Portland and I'm in a car I think these people use turn signals there you go while they're driving they're not panicking they're just raining did I mention they're using turn signals you could have stopped right there like that alone is a feat of humanity you know if there was a way for you to indicate you wanted to turn your car in front of me I don't know it's curious to watch that I'm also the other thing that's interesting is there's not actually a lot of infrastructure all this stuff is coming out and it's funny like I've been hit with my third or fourth pitch for a company that's selling like their LiDAR sensor for autonomous vehicle use or robotics use one of which actually has a track history doing things that function but it's interesting going to CES how many people or organizations are talking about this we're not talking about things like where we're embedding magnets in roadways or needing large computerized control systems they're literally making the vehicle capable of making intelligent decisions based on all of the information it can take in at the speed of a computer and with the capabilities of a computer to make decisions about braking and steering and acceleration and stuff and none of these rely on any infrastructure to be put in place in theory it should be considerably safer for you to take if the claims are true from Google and other organizations you should be able to take one of their vehicles drop it into traffic in North Jersey on Route 22 on 4 o'clock on a Friday night and say get me to the airport and it'll get you into the airport without you having a heart attack or being crushed and unlike unlike almost every other regulatory system in the United States I feel like with driving we actually do we do strike a good balance between safety and capability the other thing that was nice about California was them being like hey we want to see your commitment to cybersecurity and we want to know exactly what you're doing with the data any telemetry data or tracking data on that that to me was much more interesting than the idea like well there has to be a steering wheel so the driver can leap in and take control of the event of an emergency which you know what are you collecting about people what's your security measures those are good things too well that is it for this episode of the Daily Tech News Show if you want to follow Patrick Norton be careful stay about 100 yards back because if he notices he's going to ask you what you're doing or you could just go to twitter twitter.com slash Patrick Norton and follow him there it's a much more enjoyable way to follow Patrick I feel and then you get to 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once actually when you were saying goodbye to me my video stopped and it came back in towards the end and i was just kind of like retail force awakens i kind of like that one dailytech dog show i don't want to call out the dogs let them out that will make people listen for them and then be annoyed i like the retail force awakens there's no other title for today January 18th and it fits with the main topic there you go man i want to read gen X generation X i was like scoping out because i know i have a copy of it somewhere but i couldn't see it i've always remembered that option paralysis given the many choices choosing none because that happens to me all the time man that's a great book it's in an age as well unlike a lot of the stuff he's written you know another one yeah and i agree with that but the micro surfs micro surfs is a book that really captured a moment in the dot com boom time very well i thought i'd like to reread that to see because i agree totally with you because it was so spot on i'm curious how much it feels reflected well how much it feels like a history or a parallel to a lot of the stuff that's going on right now yeah right right i gotta figure out dinner for a bunch of people no it's not gonna be spaghetti we lost two people bringing two other people in so now i'm like waffles waffles are good oh waffles i'm sorry waffles are good too though waffles cleave them okay yes and we still have no snow on the ground it's been 50 all week it's been nice that's awesome yeah it's been great till high oh it's gonna sneak up on you at the last minute yeah i know i but it's been nice having no snow having no real cold temperatures here it's been really kind of odd a week out from christmas i was in portland it was like 32 degrees no it's like this is cold yeah yeah we've been in the 50s actually reached up into this almost of the 70s over the weekend so it was great great great great alright so we won't see each other next week great time no friday no won't be till what january 7th whatever that friday is okay have a great christmas man enjoy everything and yeah for sure well i'm sure we'll be talking again very very soon it'd be nice oh and i'm talking to you on tuesday right jenny yes excellent cool we'll do this i'll see jenny and uh but i won't see roger bye roger and patrick it was nice seeing you as well continue by the way i've always amazed at what you do oh thank you it's just freaking incredible thank you thank you that was a fun one to do and uh you know it was i got done rather early so that's why i think i was just sort of sitting here i don't know i don't know when that when that video went off but i was like looking through notes well i was i thought oh he's gonna like just talk to the people directly today before he unveils it and that i kept waiting for you to unveil i didn't think anybody could see me he's uh we saw lots of the inside of your nose let's awesome great that's that's the best that's awesome i'm kidding that's gonna be our tease you won't believe what's inside len's nose they showed the inside of his nose and you won't believe what they saw five things i couldn't believe we found inside len's nose for 25 things that clen peralta has in his nose right i want to see those across the bottom of your website now oh hey all right i gotta take off it was nice seeing everybody merry christmas to everybody in here yeah merry christmas len all right take care we'll see you bye that was fun is that okay did i do what i was supposed to do yeah that was awesome i'm always like afraid to talk because you guys are always seeing more professional and organized than i do hey wait what you talking to me i have a complicated inner life oh man no this was fun this was good i enjoyed it oh shoot i meant to watch it in 3d wait those are so cool are they you like these i saw eileen i like those the bb8 brand well so they had captain phasma kylo ren storm trooper and bb8 the only light side so i went for bb8 i think that's good do you saw it in 3d then yeah what do you think in 3d 3d or 2d or does it matter i don't think this movie in any way changes what your opinion of 3d versus 2d is normally okay i'm like can you see it in 9 max without 3d yeah i mean if you like 3d then you should probably see it in 3d but if you normally are like i don't really care about 3d there's nothing here that would change that also it's hard to cry into 3d glasses oh i can cry anywhere anytime any glasses any hat you just need to get better at crying i've been trying to like manage how much i'm gonna cry in the opening by listening to the he did star wars opening alright here's the one thing i will say here's one thing where it starts and you just start wailing the one thing i will say is that they didn't have the sound on when the lucas film limited thing came up interesting there it was just quiet i was like well that's weird and then right at the beginning of the theme you hear that get turned up they're like we need sound for this movie yeah oh maybe it was a silent protest against you know the thing against the lack of the 20th yeah maybe but yeah i've been sort of like trying to stress train myself so that i don't embarrass myself just be embarrassed and then go watch it again once you you know two or three more time so you finally get through it and figure out what the whole second act is because this is the first time you saw it definitely the lines i missed and i don't know if they're important lines because the audience was making too much noise in reaction right the thing that the thing that really freaked me out like the last time i saw one of these in a really huge theater was the star wars re-release when he did the the new whatever your opinion is about yeah and the new explosions and stuff and it was it was crazy because it was this huge theater that no longer exists in Manhattan or upwards of 1500 probably close to 2000 people uh... no it was a relatively obscure midtown theater just had to be huge and beautiful and now it's an apartment building but the uh... but what was trippy was the person next to me uh... knew was speaking every line under his breath just loud enough i can hear including lines that didn't exist like this was the opening night one of the first showings and he knew all of the lines to the scenes that had never been seen before which was like okay he's memorized all the dialogue and i'm like okay he knew what jar jar you know it was it was and i started to realize about two-thirds of the way through the movie that there were about a hundred people in the theater who do the exact same thing and if you listen really carefully you can hear them all whispering to themselves as they talk the way through the movie it was weird but it was really really cool because you know you so rarely get that level of passion and dedicated dedication in a way that's not you know i don't know it was kind of extraordinary in a lot of ways well if anyone talks all the way through this movie i will punch them even if they're speaking the right words just no i don't know i was just still i'm still blown away that anthony was doing the corporate thing and he just his his level of enthusiasm like we saw cary fischer and his head exploded i was like i'm gonna treasure that you have the uh animated gift oh hell yes i do i emailed him like it's gonna take me forever to find these on the gma website he's like they're all on star wars dot com and i was like dude did you pee yourself in that when that call came in hey do you want to do this well then you also get uh george lucas trash talking the Jurassic world producer uh have you seen that yeah that was cute yeah oh man and anthony's like you see anthony's just like whoa i'll just be over here yeah oh my goodness crush you like a bug yeah i'm looking forward to seeing it but it's gonna be i'm trying to decide if if how we're gonna do the logistics we can get sarah and myself and sheamus there or if we're gonna have to do it like separately yeah you know send you know send sheamus and sarah fin still too young huh oh we can take tris to it but i don't think tris could get through an entire movie even if it wasn't filled with incredibly loud noises and fights uh you know he's a very huck finish character i have star wars on the brain i guess it's all good man uh oh my goodness right i'll get off the phone because i phone people hanging out because i can just talk like this all afternoon yeah no worries we just stay live until i'm done publishing so but if you need to you need to go do stuff oh good i was wasn't sure if i was like you guys waiting to get off no internet where i'm waiting for processing to complete that soundcloud it's 51 percent i uh i might have to go because uh i have a star wars cake that's managing are you picking it up or are you making it i know uh i picked it up already you remember the one year anniversary of the rooster when they had a poster that had the cake on it that said star wars because it had been in theaters like continuously for a year remember that was a very old poster the people who made that cake is this place called cake and art uh made my star wars cakes because matt gets all my birthday cakes made there and we did it it's han solo frozen in carbonite it's basically a chocolate bar of han solo frozen in carbonite and then it's great cake and then it says on the little thing it's star wars redemption day so yeah that's my cake don't wear it out uh but i gotta put it in the fridge i don't want han solo to melt before his appointed time yeah that's that's always awkward yup uh but shimmy good well uh for everyone that hasn't seen it yet i hope you enjoy seeing it uh for everyone that has i hope you enjoy seeing it again uh lots of pictures to come you're gonna bring picture we're gonna spoil it i can see you now taking video key moments i'm just bringing i'm bringing a lot of people to a movie theater like 30 of our friends we got a whole row we did it up and so i need to go logistically prepare for all of their arrivals and i am out of the post look at that so thanks everybody bye