 football to find and usual problem with the weekies where the content gets scattered and disappears or just it's not visible. So one of the things that we want to work on is to have a much better portal for the international community, for all the communities, all the user groups that they can advert, where you can go it's one reference point to see who's active, what's happening where and what time and who's the contact point and all of that. So that's I hope will be available soon very soon. Oh and we have that's through your line. Yeah you too I see everyone then. Yeah and we have a mailing list with all the all the coordinators of the user groups. It's still I mean I know that it's not the super the most visible and most easy most friendly to users so we're improving on that but at the moment that these are the tools that we have. So let's the openstart.org has got the full list and it's called community and the open start dash community channel. Yeah I share some experience to how to kick off your local community at first. I think the best way is to bring back what you see and what you learn in this summit including the slide then be the first topic you can share in your local community. As for the promotion channel you can try to connect with the local organizations like some kind of industrial association. For my experience in Taiwan we connect with IT industry association then we just promote through their channels then you can get very very good response and you can get at least a lot of people came and hear what you say. And the third one is instead of inviting some figurehead from from the state to your country you also can try to invite some community leaders nearby maybe for example we in Asia we have invited guest speakers from the Pan use a group and we try to invite some maybe in the future from China use a group then to share with each other that's another way for you to promote and to increase your visibility. I like that suggestion I like it's a it's a very nice actionable item for for everybody that the one to take one of the presentations that you've seen today one of the things that you've seen these days and bring it back home one of the first things that you can do is say hey I've been there I will tell you what I've learned one way to start I think they will be available by Monday next next week I hope so if it's on Monday it's gonna be Tuesday sure right I think that that's the agreement one question I'm coming from Japan and in Japan there are some meta user group name is a crowd mix we are talking about every cloud solution include the open stock and cloud stock so on so we are very easy to start the open stock community because there are such a meta communities already how about any other countries other countries also talking about such a ball of the crowd technologies or only open stock is any suggestions is there any such a meta user group or only Japan such a mixed users so you're asking in other countries yeah absolutely absolutely I mean it's one one useful thing about that I say that meetup.com is if you do join up it will and you put your interests in it will point you to other groups on meetup.com locally and there's this you know if you put Python in this case I think the very easy to start the new I agree with you I mean submitting submitting papers or submitting proposals to speak at some other other local events is one of the way of of getting the open stock name out there to people that are ready to understand it so I've been through I mean I there were very interesting suggestions of already definitely we need to work on this best practice to promote the cloud in developing countries this is something that is not just developing countries I know I know Italy would be that would be good material I know a lot of places where the cloud and I think even the US it's there is a I don't think it's really it's very common there's still a lot of people that don't understand a cloud and that's normal so it's our job to to educate them start we're talking about even the lower level of that starting as I said a lot of pointless explaining open stack when that's that's something of those sort of documents that are being developed and the Australian market it's sort of it's it's getting better make it simple what it's called it's open stock and they're a great chance suppose that you speak English or at least you read it and which which do you think would be the conversion ratio after you have a translated documentation for open stock I think the problem is that people is not using open stock because they do not know what cloud is so the first problem is to speak about cloud yeah the second point is that in Italy people thinks that cloud is virtualization and virtualization is VMware and so they think it's simple and it's not that simple okay it's not just Italy I mean I as I said it's there are lots of places also in the US that have the same the same problems the same the same miscomprehension it's understanding regarding the point of translation of the documentation I think it's something that we have to do it regardless of whether we get to not just the documentation also we talked about our messages and all of that stuff if it's more accessible more people will feel less intimidated to buy the technology and well even if they yeah sure they need to understand English somehow but not the hundred people that will be operating and deploying maybe one person of the team is the one that will write the bug report in English in proper English but everybody else in the team can can keep can keep ignoring I think it's a it's a it's a good idea to have documentation and it's not a big effort I think it should be like we said it should be something like an exercise for for newcomers people have like 10 minutes or an hour spare on a Sunday afternoon do something relaxing can you imagine if this translation should be the whole documentation or you can imagine a step-by-step step-by-step step-by-step and we have tools to do that I mean I've I when I was at Twitter I saw the whole UI and the old documentation of Twitter though everything is crowdsourced everything is translated a piece by piece and there are tools that help you do all all that so it's really not I don't think we have a good excuse not to do it so open-stack have a mature translation mechanism or multi-language abstraction layer today no yet we talked about it I mean there was a discussion not that not to yeah fairly recently about isolating and putting error codes instead of maybe you can steal some code the one thing that I know is very mature as the clone CMS that has I think like 80 languages and it's fully translated and there's all Python beneath so that may be an option for you guys definitely it's an example I used I loved the most translated document so that we can start from there yeah I'm sure trans effects does it I will look into it and definitely I will work with you to do it then why do you have the mic another question is on the case studies references so you know when when we sell this I mean we give this to the the communities in Vietnam we gotta show them where is a similar user in other country where where can I find the case studies for users they're on openstack.org slash user stories stories I think yeah yeah there'll be more there will be more schedule as part of the certain man up there per month over the next I saw that yes and the cool thing is that we already have the the CMS already supports translation we just didn't have the resources until now to do it and now we're ramping up with hiring people at the foundation so we'll eventually we will get there it's in the it's definitely in the plans. Is there anyone from the USA here? As I say it as I say it we in this room of the future of OpenStack it is as I have been quite a before saying cloud for the rest of the world it does present a unique opportunity for all sorts of nations to build all sorts of clouds based around this technology decouple themselves from the proprietary solutions I know this is very popular in China because it was the opening of the the conference there was was that OpenStack will smash the monopoly of the Western cloud providers and that was a government guy that came out and said that so what I'd like to see is you know keep feeding the ideas back up to us and we'll just keep plugging these in and there's this Tim here this way this Ben Steph obviously myself push him into the board and get the internationalization of this as I said this is the future of it so we have to I think only employee OpenStack and other open source we can compete in the Western IT Jans through open source in the color computing area I think if we in the next five years if you want to do car business or do the virtualization business you must employ open source open stack or you will be or you will be knocked out by the by the market dominated by when we are so I think this is a very great opportunities for developing countries like China good suggestions I think it was good to talk to you to listen to your stories and my my references are up there feel free to send me an email reach out to me on IRC I'm usually up on the Pacific time US so I'm available thank you