 So man, they was in there, honestly. Man, they was in there like kids in school, bro chasing, if you ever, I'm like, bro, that's crazy to talk, y'all excited, you know what I'm saying? But I guess it's an exciting time when you get to see people from the world get to come visit you, you know what I'm saying? How did you see them? I mean, I set up a visitation. Me and Seymour, the daughters, we had a real great relationship. It's still all love and you know everybody just grew up, but like we was younger, we was trying to figure out what we was having going on. It was real close, I used to be with them almost every day. Yeah, we on Boss Talk 101, 101. Yeah, we gonna talk. I wanted to ask about the fact of going, when you went to see a dad in jail, later on you started to go see Mac and see Murder, right? I went to see Seymour and I got to see Mac, too. Okay, that's how they went. Because me and him talked about that, me and Mac that he was locked up in the same place where Seymour was at. You went and see? In fact, I did the last couple of years I did that, he didn't hunt to see what's there with me. Cool. Well, how's he doing? He's doing good, see a fighter. He's never gonna give up his pursuit of freedom and he shouldn't because he was done wrong. And they know he was done wrong. Just like in my situation, I think in situations like ours, it don't even be about the money for them. It's like the point they can prove is far more important than to them than what money you can spend with them as far as on lawyers and stuff like that. They use us, I think, to spread this, I'm tough on crime message. Here goes one of your heroes and I'm gonna show you that. If he get in trouble, I'm gonna do him so seriously to make sure that none of y'all can think that. It's sort of like they use us as deterrents. Yeah, so you say spirits is good, so that's a good thing. Just the conversations, he been gone now for years, man. How long has he been gone? Like 20, I was in there about 20, I did 21, he's about right at 29. Wow. Man, he was in there hundreds of years. Man, he was in there like kids in school, bruh chasing, if you ever like bruh, it's crazy to talk, y'all excited, you know what I'm saying? But I guess it's an exciting time when you get to see people from the world and get to come visit you, you know what I'm saying? How did you see them? I mean, I set up a visitation, me and Seymour, the daughters, we had a real great relationship. It's still all love and you know, everybody just grew up, but like we was younger when we was trying to figure out what we was having going on, we was real close. I used to be with them almost every day, you know what I'm saying? Even if I wasn't with them, I used to talk with them every day. But, so yeah, his daughter ended up setting up the visitation for me, you know what I'm saying? He really wanted to see me, so he called for me. You know what I'm saying? His daughter set up the visitation. He used to call me a lot. That's how I got a couple skits over the phones and stuff, you know what I'm saying? He helped me like structure my first project. We had a son that we had already did when he was on house arrest. So, you know, it was like, it was cool. It was cool to just have to know the relationship and just be able to, you know what I'm saying? Be a part of that. How was it though, like, come and say, how is it? Do you still talk with him? I didn't talk to him in a minute. I was supposed to go, he had sent for me another visitation, probably like two, three months after that visitation. But by that time I had caught a case so I couldn't even do the visitation no more. And we just lost a neighbor, like I said, I started getting into a lot of other stuff, you know? You know, I'd be like, I kept changing my phone numbers. Do you think you ever go back and see him? Yeah, once I get all my leads to clear it up, I'm just not eligible right now. Yeah, but at some point you want to go back and reconnect with him. Cause that's a tough break, man. I still got him in my JP. I just rolled him out too long ago in JP. So, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, you'll reach out to him every now and then. It was cool, like I was able to sit down with him at my bottom lunch, you know what I'm saying? Kicked it like, yeah, you know. How did you see Mac though during that time? Was he just coming out just to visit somebody himself when you went there? His wife was there at the time. Dad is. So all of us was able to sit down and eat together. Dope, dope. Yeah, it was like a cafeteria room. Okay, okay, just like cafeteria. Were you just, basically everybody come out? Everybody come out. Do you remember the conversation like with Mac and y'all or you were just like, hey, how you doing, man? Good to see you. You know, just talk, like, we had, oh, we had been talking, you know what I'm saying? Mac used to be coming to the phone talking on him. So we had been talking. Okay, okay. It made sense. You know what I'm saying? It was just love, just embracing each other, you know what I'm saying? He was really talking about, you know how they be mad at your daddy, bro. You know what I'm saying? They been looking at you. Of course. Going through it, but I understood it, but I didn't understand it as much as I do now because I know people who got kids when I lost their life, you know what I'm saying? They be looking at their kids like that and bro, I really know your daddy, like, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, so you get it. I understand it now. So it's like the more I grew up, the more, the older I get, the more I understand. Have you gotten to speak to Mac since he been a hold? Yeah, a few times. Okay, so that's a good thing. It's always a good thing when you can reconnect out here in the street world, right? I kind of honestly feel like I should do a lot more. I should reach out a lot more, but man, day to day be killing me, you know what I'm saying? Growing up, just trying to grow and learn more. You know, everybody get caught up in life. So I don't even tell your person that people don't reach out to me because they be love every time. We greet each other, embrace each other. Man, you know, Mac, man, Mac was dope, dude. Man, care dope, like some good dudes, man. Like I put these people in my life, bro. And it's been nothing but blessings upon blessings when you think about the stuff. We just link, bro. I'm an older cat. So to link with dudes that's like my age and really click, like we click, or we come from an old law, we get a different set of rules. And it's just, and I ain't been- I'm under the old law too though. Oh yeah, you understand? Yeah, man. I'm like the last of the millennials. Oh, really? It's new generation. They don't got no mores or no codes that they love, bro. Yeah, it's different, man. I was really raised by OGs, not IG. Hey, I like that, man.