 Good afternoon and good luck. This is all backwards. Good afternoon. Shoot. Before the show. I'm going to turn my notifications off. Yeah, put your phone away so that our conversation won't be so light. Oh, I see what you did there. That was a tease ahead. I see what you did there. Okay. All right. I think I can safely start AlphaGeek Media. Can I make my head bigger? I would just zoom in. Seems easier. There we go. All right. Let's do a show. This is the Daily Tech News for Monday, September 28, 2015. I'm Tom Merritt. Joining me today as she does most Mondays, Ms. Veronica Belmont, DTNS contributor and host of Dear Veronica, the ultimate question and answer show of the Internet on engadget.com. How's it going, Veronica? That was an excellent sounding introduction. Thank you. Thank you, Tom. I consider you to be... I want to say the Dear Abbey of the Internet, but it's more than that. It's well beyond the mere ethical and etiquette topics. No question goes untouched on Dear Veronica. That is true in spite of how scary they may be. Yeah. You should watch it, people. We're going to talk about the ethics and etiquette today of having your phone out while other people are talking to you. Put your phone away. It is. It's away. Oh, I guess it's hard if you're listening to a podcast to put your phone away. That's true. I guess you could just put it in your pocket? I don't know. Or stop the podcast and talk to your mother for once. We'll explore this later. Yeah, exactly. Let's do some headlines. Paul Therot noted a Microsoft web page inviting VR app developers to a hackathon in Russia on October 17. People with successful ideas will get a VR kit that works with a Microsoft Lumia phone. The kit looks to be a cardboard holder for the phone. Last time I tried to go to that page, it was no longer up. Everyone's doing headlines about Microsoft making their own cardboard. Maybe the picture was a lie or something? I don't know. I don't know. That seems... What is a successful idea in this case? I have so many questions about this. Yeah. The page is in Russian, so Paul Therot noted. When you translate it to English, it calls it a successful idea. There may be something lost in the translation. It would make sense, though. Everyone's getting their fingers deep into the world of VR at this point. The cardboard version of Google Cardboard, it works really well for a lot of 3D applications. I can see Microsoft getting into that space with an entry-level, inexpensive VR viewer. Yeah. Why not? If you can get some developers to do some VR apps, you can sell a few Lumia phones that way. Lumias are selling well in parts of the world. You get into some VR there and eventually Microsoft is going to be providing software for other virtual reality platforms as well as for their own HoloLens, so it all ends up fitting into the Such-A-Mans plan. Indeed. Adweek is rolling along in New York. Google announced a new feature for advertisers called Customer Match. Similar to Facebook, advertisers can upload mailing lists and target ads to members of the list who also have accounts at Google for Search, Gmail, and YouTube. Meanwhile, Facebook will rip a page from Twitter's book and work with Nielsen on a metric called a Total Rating Point. The TRP measures Facebook video ad performance along TV ad performance, so advertisers can plan a campaign across both platforms. Yeah. A lot of the stuff that's going to come out of the Adweek is going to sound like more ways to track you. Only because it's more ways to track you. It's true. It's absolutely true. It's because that's what they want to do. But two important things here is, one, Google is playing catch-up in this case. Usually Google is at the forefront of creepy tracking, but they're doing something that Facebook and other companies have been doing for a while in this list matching. And it is list matching where you've opted into everything, so if you don't want to be list matched, then you either shouldn't have a Gmail account or you shouldn't have given your email account to whatever client is buying the ads. The Nielsen thing, I think, is even more fascinating where Facebook is, again, like Twitter, trying to get in on TV buys and get a little of that TV money to come more over to the mobile space because Facebook, with a new emphasis on video, really wants to sell a lot of video ads. And if you can get somebody who's buying television to add on or shift some money to you but still have it all part of the same campaign when they're telling it to their boss, I think that makes it easier to make the buy. Well, it converts it into metrics that they understand because people who are selling ads or buying ads, they understand Nielsen as a metric and maybe they don't understand some of the tools or terms that people use in the web ad space. So CPMs and yada, yada, yada. So maybe that'll help bring more money in that way. Yeah, I mean, that's a really good point. Even if they understand them, it's apples and oranges when you're sitting down looking at the campaign and you're like, well, I think it did well. But if you've got one metric across both, that helps. The Financial Times reports on several tech deals Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi signed during his tour of Silicon Valley. As we told you back on September 14th on the show, Google is going to launch free Wi-Fi in 500 Indian railway stations. Google has now confirmed that deal. Also, Microsoft is now pledging low-cost broadband to 500,000 Indian villages. Qualcomm will invest $150 million in Indian startups and Prime Minister Modi also took part in an hour-long presentation at Facebook where he called on world leaders to embrace social media and apparently people in the audience were chanting his name. Modi, Modi. That's fascinating. Funny, a guy I know who used to work for Twitter, I believe, his name. He has the at Narendra username on Twitter. He was getting a lot of tweets meant for Narendra Modi this past week, especially since there was a big play for social media but he got messages from the Prime Minister of Japan, for example, all sorts of stuff. He was like, I don't think you meant me. I don't think you know how this works. Did that recently with someone where I didn't realize the person I wanted had a middle initial in their Twitter name and this person must get this all the time where they're like, wrong guy, do you want the guy with the use of the middle initial? It happens. Part of this new world we live in. GoPro has unveiled a new entry-level action camera for $200 and Gadget reports that the Hero Plus shoots 60 frames per second, 1080p resolution and has Bluetooth and Wi-Fi connectivity. The new camera should be in stores October 4th and GoPro is also dropping the price of the super compact Hero 4 session from $400 to $300. These are still far from impulse buys but getting a little more affordable, especially to get the connectivity. The cheapest GoPro before didn't have any kind of connectivity. They're so sturdy compared to other cameras out there and the GoPro name is so well respected and also they have so many little add-ons and clamps and clips that you can use and they work across the board. That's a lot of that gear already. The new cameras will work with it, which is really nice. A new phone from Security Company, Silent Circle, goes on sale today in North America for $800. It's the Black Phone 2. Runs Android-based private OS with all the encryption love that it gave to the Black Phone original but it has a beefier specs. 5.5 inch 1080p screen, Qualcomm 8-core CPU, 3 gigs of RAM, 32 gigs of storage and a 3,060 mAh battery. A phone from a security company. Encrypt all the things. SP Sheridan pointed out the Verge article that the Quantum Artificial Intelligence Lab announced a multi-year agreement to install D-Wave's 2X quantum processor machine. The 1000 qubit machine is an operating temperature of 15 millikelvin, meaning outer space is even too hot. The Quantum Artificial Intelligence Lab is a joint operation of Google, NASA and the University Space Research Association. Now there's a lot of controversy about D-Wave. Some people think it doesn't actually do anything better that it doesn't get the quantum boost that you're supposed to get, but I think this lab is using it to basically research how quantum computers work. They talk about quantum annealing and stuff like that. So it may help us, if not prove D-Wave's model, at least help us eventually get into real quantum computing. Not to say D-Wave isn't, I don't know if it is or not, but further research. Oh, I have a live correction. Subgon says, not true. You need to make sure you have a 3 Plus or newer for all the accessories to work across device on the GoPro cameras. So this one should still work with your 3 Plus product gear lines. But yeah, it won't go too far backwards beyond that. TM204 wanted us to mention that a team from Oxford and the Karlsruhe Institute in Germany have created an optical-only chip that can permanently store data. Optical chips are not speed-limited by heat and resistance, so they can be super fast, but up until now, it was all volatile memory. You couldn't store data permanently. This team took the same alloy called GST that's used in rewritable DVDs, used a guided high-intensity laser charge to change the alloy between crystalline and non-crystalline structure. No-intensity laser could then tell if it was a nice sharp crystal or a big old blob, and the team could store up to 8 bits of data in a single location. The team now needs to make the chip smaller in order to make it viable. But speed and power consumption on par with current electronics, they even say it's commercially feasible to make, and if they can figure out everything and bring it to market, it could make computer storage 100 times faster. Lots of interesting computer news today, let's get together. Yeah, advances in computing. It's like it's 2006 all over again. What advances in computing? I don't know why that makes me feel funny inside. OneTouchEasy sent us the news that Netflix has released instructions on how to build the ultimate Netflix and chill machine. The switch is a wireless button powered by a microcontroller and an infrared transmitter that can sync with connected devices to turn on your TV, dim the lights, fire up your Netflix queue, and do whatever comes naturally. Yeah, just requires a little bit of soldering. But if you're comfortable with that... I want that! You should do this. Yeah, that would be fun. You should make a video of this. I don't think Ryan would let me. Oh, that's too bad. Whatever. Yeah, I know. Just one button, like boom. One husband, I just want to rip up our entire home theater setup and our home automation systems. Back off. Yeah. Cool maker things from Netflix are always in Nifty. Oh, totally. German tabloid buildumson tag reports that Volkswagen's internal investigation has found a 2007 letter from parts supplier Bosch warning Volkswagen not to use the software that fooled emission tests during regular operation. And the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung newspaper reports that a Volkswagen technician raised concerns about illegal practices and connection with emission levels in 2011. LA Times says Volkswagen's spokesperson called the report's rumor and speculation. But Veronica, as someone who is driving an affected car, how do these revelations make you feel? I'm sad because my resale value is going to be terrible, at least until all this blows over. I was already three years old, three and a half years old. I did take it in for service and they supposedly fixed the software issue, although they said that they... I was very confused because they said they didn't have a fix, an official fix yet, but then they said they fixed it. So I don't know what they fixed. I don't know. I don't know what's going on here. We'll see. I mean, there's nothing to fix, really. Well, it's like an update. Yeah, I mean, what they need to do is take out and it does this. Right. And that's easier said than done. I get that. Yeah. But does that actually fix the emissions testing? Like, maybe they fixed it like, okay, this is no longer going to do this while you're driving it, which means you're going to see worse fuel consumption. But they may not have brought it up to code for emissions testing. I don't know. Good question. Yeah, very good question. If anyone knows, I've been trying to really found a sufficient answer. Oh, it's me. TechCrunch reports Chinese ride-sharing company Didi Kuwadi has invested in Indian ride-sharing company OLA while Uber tries to open service in multiple countries. Didi is investing in regional services like Lyft in the U.S., Grab Taxi in Southeast Asia, and now OLA in India. Yeah, I mean, it's a different way of going about it. And we've been following this story on DTNS for a while now. But it ties into our earlier story about how everybody is seeing India as the new fertile ground to, you know, tweak your business model. It's a place where you can enter the market and sell more things. That's why Uber is working very hard against some pretty hard headwinds to make progress establishing themselves in India. So Didi Kuwadi, to me, looks smarter to say like, hey, there's somebody from India that already knows how to operate in India. We'll just partner with them. That makes sense, right? No, it's great. And Google has an announcement tomorrow. Don't forget that Android Police is intent on spoiling it. The blog claims it knows pretty much everything. The pricing for the Nexus 5X by LG, they say it's going to be 380 bucks. They also say it's going to be called the Nexus 5X. They say the Nexus 6P is what will come from Huawei and will be $500 and will be up for pre-order tomorrow. Oh, and Android 6.0 Marshmallow will roll out for older Nexus's on October 5th. There's going to be a tablet called the Pixel C or something like that. I have a feeling, you know, we talked about relics about Chromecast earlier that there's going to be a veritable cornucopia of new gadgets announced by Google tomorrow. I like cornucopias. Do you like cornucopias and new gadgets? And filled with information. Not necessarily delicious, but fun nonetheless. And don't forget, folks, as we mentioned in a couple of these cases, we take a lot of our stories from the subreddit at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com. So get in there and vote! Make your voice heard. Help us put the stories together. That's how we find out about a lot of these advances in computing, because you guys tell us you're interested in them. DailyTechnewshow.reddit.com and that is a look at the headlines. Interesting story today in the New York Times that Veronica pointed out. Sherry Turkle, who's a professor in the program of science and technology in society at Massachusetts Institute of Technology here in the US wrote an article in the New York Times about whether texting, using apps, looking at your smartphone is ruining conversation and she implies based on a few studies that are out there that this lack of conversation could lead to a lack of empathy. She recommends enforcing some solitude on yourself. If you're always looking at your phone you're never alone, right? You're always connecting. She's saying maybe it's time, you know you should take some time alone. She emphasizes maybe you should try doing one thing at a time because multitasking is an illusion. Recommends sacred spaces without phone or tech. A lot of people try to make dinner time that place. She cites a study from Pew Research about the usage of phones, 89% used phones at social gatherings related to the gathering, but still that's almost all of us are using phones while we're socializing with other people. There was a 2010 meta study found a 40% decline in empathy among college students. A 2014 study by Yalda T. Ules found that after 5 days without phones or tablets children were able to read facial emotions and correctly identify emotions of actors in videotaped scenes better than a control group. And the list goes on. Veronica, why is this fascinating? You do feel like phones are getting in your way of socializing with people? Well, this really tied in nicely to the talk that I actually just gave at XOXO which was about context and empathy and how in this new internet-based society that we live in we're so quick to have the hot takes to be the first to come out with the good comment, the interesting comment, the funny Twitter post that we very rarely stop to think about the feelings or the situations of the people on the other end that has caused a big rift in our society in a lot of ways. And this kind of draws on that by saying that because we're so tied into our phone 100% of the time, we're not relating to the people around us in our physical space and we're using it as a crutch to kind of fix any awkwardness or silent moments or periods of downtime in the physical meat space. So what are the solutions? We don't really know yet, but some of what happened is definitely promising which is that anytime that we are disconnected from technology, we tend to start reconnecting with our physical space not only just how we feel inside but also being more in tune with the emotions of other people around us and the child study I thought was particularly fascinating because they separated kids from technology and almost immediately they started paying more attention to the emotions and feelings of the other kids in the room and they were saying originally that 12-year-olds were behaving more like 8-year-olds in terms of their you know, their empathetic rate. Yeah, they're just intuitive level of empathy so they were acting like much younger children who hadn't yet developed these traits yet but when you take technology out of the equation, it starts to write itself pretty quickly. So it's difficult though because we have developed this intense need to constantly be connected and to constantly know what's going on or else we get serious FOMO or we feel like we're not up to date on everything or we're you know, not letting other people be up to date on what we're doing because you always have to be self-broadcasting but it's good to take a moment at least for a few minutes out of every day to just completely be in your own space and not feel completely gathered to your mobile device or your computer or your laptop or whatever it is. Yeah, I feel like if anything, I feel guilty like I never am on Facebook. People will say I posted this on Twitter, didn't you see it? And I'll be like, no I didn't so I think my natural behaviors right now are helping me avoid some of the pitfalls here but at the same time my job is to look at the internet all day long and so you know I'm definitely overexposed to technology versus what I would do other times and part of the solution for me has been the same kind of solution you need to have when you're a freelancer or when you set your own hours which is setting my own limits of okay now I'm done with work and again I think I'm benefiting from the fact that my work is with technology because I set the technology aside I'm like I'm going to watch a TV show and I'm going to look at the TV show, I'm not going to look at my phone maybe I'll pick it up to look up something on IMDB maybe and maybe that's a problem because there are some stories in this article about like the dad that's like let me check a fact on Google and the daughter gets upset but I definitely try to say I'm not going to sit there and look at Twitter I'm not going to sit there and just surf whereas my wife she is like everybody else right she's on her phone while she's watching TV she's on her phone when we go out to dinner and I'm not throwing her under the bus it's not in a rude way she is on it the way everyone is on it so I guess my point is I wonder if it's just a matter of us learning how to use these new technologies yeah exactly we're involved in technology in such a way now and we're so immersed in it that we haven't really caught up emotionally to those ramifications like we haven't really figured out as a species how to handle this new world where we are connected 100% of the time and it's yeah we're social creatures but for many many centuries millennia we were basically communicating with the people within a physical radius of us and then it got a little wider and then it got even more large and then now suddenly we're a global community to talk to people across the world instantaneously and that's a big difference for us and so now we have to figure out do we need to disconnect to kind of keep some of that humaneness to us in a way and I feel crazy if I'm online all day I'm doing social media at the end of the day I just feel like what did I just do not in a bad way like what did I just do I did something wrong but like was this beneficial to me was I productive was I making a difference was I somehow improving myself as a person or was I just feeling the need to constantly be keeping up with everything else going on around me and I find that there's a big benefit in unit asking which is just focus on one thing that you're working on at any given time and really give your full attention to that one thing because we're being bombarded with notifications and pings and tweets and slack notifications and everything else going on in our lives that I think it really is beneficial to step away from it and just go do something else for a little while every day you know whether that's take a dog for a walk without bringing your phone with you maybe bring a free with you for safety reasons but not being tied into it in your pocket or something yeah and bring your own dog or a dog you're allowed to bring don't steal a dog don't steal a dog that's definitely rule number one your own phone but you know people are trying to figure out these ways of you know having dinner together and not being on their phones 100% of the time you know whoever is last to put their phone on the stack and the table has to pay the bill these kinds of games we're coming up with new ways to solve these issues if you want to call them that but yeah it's definitely something that people are talking about in increasing amounts recently now thanks to T.G. Steller by the way who's been great at posting discussion topics related to the show in our subreddit that's another use of the subreddit dailytechnoshow.reddit.com he posted today's topic in there and Jack Floyd posted one of my favorite XKCD comics called the pace of modern life where he takes quotes going all the way back into the 1870s about people saying ah technology is ruining our lives the pace of things is too fast for instance 1890 from Frank Leslie's popular monthly conversation is said to be a lost art good talk presupposes leisure both for preparation and enjoyment the age of leisure is dead and the art of conversation is dying now here's the thing I know that a lot of folks out there are going to say aha see yeah we always say technology is bad and it's never ends up being as bad as we thought I think that's true but also this concern about smartphones is also true do you think these are incompatible I think that this is it feels to me like a different thing it feels like we have absorbed this technology into our our personas in such an incredible way our own person we're so tied to these avatars of our self online that it's super hard to disconnect that and to I don't know it's it's you know it's hard to explain I've been thinking about this an awful lot yeah they are these things are extensions of our identity right right and so when we disconnect we sometimes feel like we're separating ourselves from this community that we've built and created and curated and cultivated for years for decades now but you have to be comfortable just being alone with your thoughts and being able to have a conversation with another human without having your cell phone sitting in your lap you know tantalizing you with other conversations and other notifications I think you're right in the up close view which is you know this is different and we need a different set of skills to deal with it but my wider view based on this XKCD comic is that it's always different every time television was different we'd never seen something like television the ability to turn on and see moving pictures all the time and lots of people said no TV while we're at the dinner table and we need to limit the amount of TV kids watch and they weren't wrong we had to learn how to responsibly deal with television and how to set limits with our children with television and how to teach them how to responsibly use it and we're starting to learn that now even as we hit peak television right and before that it was you know the these sort of things like Frank Leslie saying you know there's no more leisure we're working all the time and we're losing the art of conversation but because Frank made that complaint people realized okay well we need to learn how to balance this so I guess what I'm saying is none of this is wrong we're always hitting this whenever there's something new that changes how we inhabit our daily lives and the old if the old ways of dealing with technology if the ways of dealing with television and radio and electricity worked to deal with smartphones we wouldn't be having the controversy it's because it's new that we have to approach it from a different way and identify those things that you're talking about like wow I've never had anything that extended my identity out in the world this way before how do I how do I set my boundaries so I don't feel like I'm cutting off a part of myself and I also think that things like TV for example are passive experiences and the internet is not necessarily a passive experience it's something that is calling you to engage with it at every possible moment and your careers are tied into it and your personal life and your romantic lives and your fun lives all of that is tied into this one method of communication so it's more than just viewing television and it's more than just listening to the radio and all these other ways that throughout history we've been told are going to ruin bring down society so it's I'm not saying let me be clear I live on the internet I'm not saying that the internet is going to destroy humankind I do not believe that but I also believe that there is benefit to to disconnecting every so often I think learning when to use the tool for sure the first person to invent a screwdriver tried to use it for lots of things that a screwdriver wasn't good for and maybe some folks this is a horrible analogy probably but you know screwdrivers not allowed at the table don't use it to eat your food that's a horrible idea so we're saying in a more complex way than humanity's ever had to deal with before we've got this new tool to make it not distract us how to not make us less productive and lead less fulfilling lives because it definitely has the potential I think both of us are saying the same thing to help us live more fulfilling and more productive and more valuable lives than ever if we use it right and the fact that they have to teach empathy in schools now which is another thing that was referenced in this post but that I've read into more extensively across the world there's programs in schools where teachers are actively teaching empathy to students because it's something that's being lost in this text-based text-based world that we're living in now where you're not reading the emotions of someone eye to eye we can do this now because we're having a video call together that's one step a little bit better because I can see what emotions you're feeling at that moment and I can change my responses based on those but I know you look sad puppy dog eyes I'm sorry I didn't know you felt that way but when you're just typing on Twitter when you're typing into Facebook you know context gets lost in a major way and that's having an effect TVZGun in our chat room says that's why I much rather prefer enjoying podcasts live as it's a much more of a conversation not just a show right so again there's I think that's why you can look at this and say oh we have to teach kids empathy what a horrible world that's a perfectly valid way to look at it I look at it as oh so we've identified that these new conditions have caused something different and we're taking steps to correct it and I think that's a positive it'd be worse if we weren't I feel better on days that I have some I've been trying to stay off social media on the weekends as much as possible and I think that really it just makes me feel better to step away for a while and that could just be me well the single best policy I ever enacted with myself in the late 90s was you know I don't want to know every time I get an email like early on an email I'm like no I get an email I get emails all the time that's just going to distract me and I've carried that through I almost never use notifications on smartphones and a lot of people are like how well that's horrible you're not going to be notified about certain things like great no I don't want to get pushed at all the time because that drives me crazy so again like setting aside time where you're not engaging with the internet you know figuring out like how often do you really need to be notified and bugged and distracted and pulled away from what you're thinking about maybe even going monotasking and saying I'm only going to do one thing at a time and I'm really going to focus all of these are ways that you can deal with this yeah good stuff go I is your exo talk like available for people to it's not online yet I don't think but I'll let you guys know when it comes up follow that Veronica find out all right I pick of the day comes from Matthew J Stevens who wrote in after hearing Veronica talk about how she wore both Fitbit and Apple watch thinking of device overlaid and how she'd like to get to a single device he suggests sync solver triple play it sells for seven bucks right now on the iTunes store he writes one sinks Fitbit data into your health app another sinks health data to Fitbit and the third allows you to export the data in CSV format I started using these apps about a week ago and I can now still compete with all my Fitbit contacts even though I no longer wear Fitbit yeah I I have that already okay all right and it works it does but I had to you would have to pick kind of pick a device that you wanted it to be to be your master and I don't trust this sound kind of sound crazy I don't trust Apple's step data the way I trust Fitbit so in order to get the data that I want I still have to wear the Fitbit because I'm copying over the Apple watch data from the Fitbit yeah so you're the data creation wasn't the problem for you is the data accuracy yes but still a good pick for somebody who wants to just go to the Apple watch thank you send your picks to us feedback at dailytechnewshow.com you can find my picks at dailytechnewshow.com couple emails Tyler again here says a forward thinking airline could partner with a VR company for customers on long haul flights to check out headsets enabling them to watch movies or sit on the beach during the flight maybe one app could be a light sound display to help restless passengers get to sleep on the flights this would go a long way to exposing many more people to VR and can attend VR demos at conferences or trade shows heck it almost makes me want to get on a plane just to try out VR that's Tyler some leaves are just beginning to turn for autumn in north jersey would you do that would you if if you didn't have like a gear VR of your own and you got onto a flight and they said oh you know for $5 on this cross continental flight you can rent you know gear VR headset with a lockdown phone let you watch movies and I would I don't really trust that they would clean them well what well that then they should use cardboard there you go yeah cardboard recycled yeah Tim Watson says my pedantry hackles are beginning to rise each time I hear the term 360 video it's actually 360 degree video Tim Tim says I know it's only shorthand designed to easily introduce the idea that you can look all around in video but my pedantic soul cries out that you're not just seeing 360 degrees you're seeing much more seeing 360 degrees is just seeing around in a circle the equivalent of turning all the way around and keeping your eyes level and 360 degree videos you can see up and over and down and under in other words you're not seeing a circle you're seeing a sphere or most of one you need two angles to indicate where you are looking in a sphere a latitude and a longitude if you like so for accuracy make a sphere has it's 129 600 degrees or 360 by 360 of course I doubt that anyone is going to adopt the phrase one two nine six hundred video over 360 video anytime soon 129 K video need a new term sphere video I like it you like sphere video yeah why not it's a good name for a company too sphere video I bet somebody is taking that though well that is it for this episode of the daily tech news show Veronica Belmont thank you I know that it was hard for you to sit up today and you made it all the way through the show I know I'm doing my best yeah working out those kinks and my neck in the back and hopefully I'll be up to speed again next Monday yay well you were awesome today as always follow on the twitter twitter.com at Veronica or twitter.com slash Veronica and of course engadget.com slash deer dash Veronica and you can email is it dear I always get the email address wrong what's the email address for dear Veronica Veronica at engadget.com all right just Veronica you got a question for Veronica send it to Veronica at engadget.com you might get it answered on dear Veronica by an expert in the field might even be Tom sometimes or Tom could be an expert in the field or me send your questions to Tom at Veronica at engadget.com exactly go check it out thanks to all of the folks who make this show possible our patrons are our life blood you changed our lives we're getting close we're like a quarter away from our second year completed 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soldering we can't fix it but we just fixed it yeah don't steal a dog bring your own I know uh reality's virtual you that's going a long way long way around the yard there yeah the presence of absence don't steal a dog bring your own phone I like that one too successful ideas successful what have mobile what have mobile rot what have mobile rot moody moody ooh Sarfin new fix say the word yeah data is stored on optical chips with freaking lasers too hot for quantum that is going to be a bond movie name too hot for quantum oh I like this the unbearable politeness of being disconnected oh that's clever I love that so I always check the deep cuts yeah who did that one that was ICU I really like that one it's shooting up to the top now that you mentioned it I know PS while we're waiting for the final say Ms. Molly Wood is going to be on a panel at 3 o'clock pacific time 6 o'clock Eastern with Ira Glass the president of NPR and she's going to set the record straight on podcasting oh yeah I don't know if she's going to do that Jenny's been campaigning for her I've been campaigning for her to just stand up and be like let me have a timeline here and see what happens podcasting died in 2006 and then it came back and then it died again and then it came back and then it died again so yeah and Guy Raz and so it's quite an interesting little panel there and you can actually allegedly watch it for free on a live stream at advertisingweek.com slash calendar dash NPR dash seminar dash 2015 oh 928 800 okay so wait advertising week it's called the on demand audio and podcast revolution building passionate audiences and great resonance for brand which Molly's just probably going to take a fist right through all right so do we go with the unbearable politeness of being disconnected it's like runaway hit now okay I think so it's just great yeah let's go let's go let's go yeah look at that a good title will always rise it's good title rises it's no coincidence public media podcast dominate the iTunes top 10 list hey why wasn't this show that refuses to take advertising invited to add well right I'm amazed they figured out Molly should be on it that's like massive progress good whatever and I know she's mostly doing fill in hosting duty but there's stuff marketplace stuff is put out as podcast right but she doesn't have like a podcast we should fix that we should fix that but yeah but they're they're legit they're legit podcasters that's all I'm saying sure thank you master master all right yeah movie draft movie draft what do I what do I pick what do I do same approach as last time right because no one will expect it well you just said it on the internet everyone will accept it yeah hold on let me pull up the thing the sheet here um pop up uh are we talking about this publicly we are right because I'm sure watching why why not do you think that if you got the Martian no nothing can beat Star Wars this is my problem nothing can beat Star Wars a combination look at look at the values the Hollywood stock exchange now those could be wrong and then your and Star Wars could run away with it just like Jurassic World did right and that you know that is a perfectly fair point but if those numbers held true relatively speaking you could construct a lineup that would outgrow Star Wars alone not no single movie is going to for sure that's all the other movies coming out the winter movie draft will certainly maybe outgrows one movie um well I did the math if you take the total amount of Hollywood stock exchange value of all of those movies divide it by six you get four hundred eight and the Hollywood stock exchange value of Star Wars is four hundred eight okay so let's see yeah I mean the obvious candidates are the Martian which I would definitely vote I would definitely get in on but I wouldn't when is Star Wars coming in the draft first oh interesting well that's smart and the draft order will be randomized after that okay for anybody who's like watching this or listening to this later and doesn't understand the draft is we all get a hundred dollars to spend auction style on the movies that are coming out between now and the end of the winter so I think it's January 15th is our cut off this time and when you get a movie that means you get a point for every dollar of domestic gross in the United States that it makes and the end the person with the most points wins so you want to pick movies that Star Wars is going to make all the money can you put together a lineup of multiple like whoever gets Star Wars is going to have to spend all their money to get just Star Wars is the theory so can you put together a lineup of other movies that will then still make more money than Star Wars so then to me the strategy has to be get the earlier movies get as many earlier movies as you can if you're trying to beat it without Star Wars because that's where the money will theoretically people got to hold their money to go see Star Wars it's just at the end Star Wars is going to make all the money right so that would be my argument for going early this year like the Martian is the other pick it seems to me well and the cool thing about it too is we I don't know when the Martian is going to show up is it going to show up oh random random order hmm oh I get it now so many new rules right well we caused you and I caused that rule because we held our money to the end I know fresh heck I still I do like having the random order anyway no that is good I'm okay with that ah you still there Veronica you don't have to hang around we should be automatically given pan just as a free bid come on it wouldn't have helped it wouldn't have helped but I still think pan again then there's mocking Jay there are a lot of other movies I would emotionally really like to get creed that's very important but I also think Matt has backed it as a movie that's going to be huge or winter movie huge yeah Hollywood Stock Exchange does not agree with him but I think that's the kind of thing where they may be undervaluing that's where the qualitative value of the Flanagan Josephson household comes in exactly the specter the good dinosaur can I edit this the hateful eight those are all the Hollywood Stock Exchange darlings I don't think the hateful eight no I want to put things in green yellow or red oh yeah totally do that I'm going to do it in like a different thing than like no you can do green yellow and red right there in that dock that's fine if you're going to change the values I was going to try to figure out I was going to try to copy them over so we still have I've given up on that I've given up on the math I'm actually just putting in green the ones that are the big guns yeah that makes sense just so that they're separated like the wheat visually yeah because these won't be going in order either so it'll be harder to right so it'll just like that'll help you what is a good color for Star Wars it needs to be more green because I'm not going to get it yeah don't think that maybe you will well should I I mean I think for the look we won the summer movie draft except for the crazy outlier our strategy won the movie draft except for the thing you could not control so I don't feel I feel like this is a this is a buy it's a buy week for us well I I guess what I'm thinking is just don't go after Star Wars like bid it because you can get it for less than a hundred obviously you should but after it hits a hundred I think it's overvalued at 99% of gross maybe 99% of gross then you're then what's boring here's what's boring about bidding all your money on Star Wars is that then you don't get to play anymore yeah like you're done but you're done you're just making fun of people for the rest of the episode yeah and you gotta wait until December to know anything so my strategy would be I have so much fun playing this game that why try to win it this time around if we just assume yeah I'm saying play for a second again I mean I wanted to win summer movie draft because I thought we could have but I feel like it's obvious that whoever has Star Wars will win to me and so in my mind second is actually first there you go doesn't that seem to make sense of Veronica oh my god do you want to go oh I was just reading stuff okay I feel bad go lie on the floor or something okay feel better thanks bye guys okay so that's my theory is play for a second put in a strong movie draft showing who might take us all the way but is not going to take us past Star Wars and just let all the testosteroneies go for Star Wars they can all fight it out it'll be really exciting and then we'll take all the other movies yeah but I mean only one person is going to take Star Wars so anyone who didn't take Star Wars we're still going to have to fight them so anyway that's my that's my general peace of mind theory I'm going to be automatically awarded the Steve Jobs movie just Job's Job what is it Jobs or Jobs why don't I know it's only Jobs why did people call it Job's no one should and I don't know anyone who does do you know people who do they're wrong I know it's like I don't know there's certain people they're just old testament scholars that you hang out what a prerogative Job that's right all right so Steve Jobs and then why is everybody at that company have names like Steve Jobs versus Jobs or Johnny I've versus like weird like Johnny I've has always been Johnny too but he spells it weird because he's English all right that is it for us in front of you we're going to do this conversation off off actually online but you won't be able to watch it goodbye