 Okay, beautiful. So let's have you continue defining this for us like with here in the dock. So we kind of talked about this permanent cessation while conscious. Okay, well we'll go to the unaltered state of consciousness. So another way to state this is that everything before the natural state, which is what's always been the case, is an altered state of consciousness. The egoic state is an altered state of consciousness. It's insanity, psychotic. You think your thoughts are real? You think you're a separate person? That's an altered state. Let's take a moment to seriously make sure that this is being understood because this is basically reversing the entire paradigm of the world on its head. So it's basically saying that the ego or separation and all the conditioning and attachments of that contracted energy entity, that is the altered state. That is the altered state of consciousness is believing that I am a separate finite physical entity in a world full of other separate finite physical entities. That's the altered state. And then that's a really big paradigm shift. Okay. Well, I mean, moving from that to the altered state of mystical experiences, let's say, if you're you can eat all your life, now you took psychedelics, now you think, Holy shit, this is so much more real. But that's also an altered state. And we're good at meditation. We should experience genres and kind of linear awakenings, even, you know, merging with God, divine union, cosmic bliss, all the stuff you read about spirituality. From the perspective of an ego state, that is much more true and much more spacious and much more relaxed state. And unaltered. Yes. But now that's still an altered state of consciousness. Yes, it's more unaltered. Yes, a little bit more altered, but it's still altered. Yeah, yeah. It's more altered, but they're both altered. Yes. They're both altered state. But it's giving you a taste of the unaltered, which is then what gives you the North Star in the roadmap. Yeah, right. So after you disidentified for all the altered state of consciousness and slip into the natural state, that's the unaltered state of consciousness. That's total sanity. Because clinging on to universal mind or the individual mind is the same thing. From the unaltered state of perfect equanimity, where all sensations are equal footing, you look at your past levels of identification to realize that attachment to the solidity of the ego versus the attachment to the solidity of mystical experiences are actually the same thing. They both create cleanings of suffering. That's why the Buddha said that not only do you have to let go of the material realm, the form realm, you have to let go of the formless realms. Yes. Yeah. It stops in the golden chain of life and traps them into experiences. But I will go ahead. I just wanted to briefly say that just to put a little flag in it, just that it is still really important as people are stuck in physicalism to point people towards the formless, towards consciousness. Of course. Yes, yes, yes. That's why the stages are there. Yes, yes, yes. You just, there are some people that just jump from like stage one to five, they fucking go insane, man. But here's the thing, here's the point that's very important. See, the people who hasn't experienced the non-experience of our true nature, when they only have the egoic state in the mystical experiences to compare their experiences with, they're always going to be confused. They're always going to think that the outer state of mystical experiences, the God consciousness on psychedelics or meditation or spontaneous glimpses, temporarily transcending the self. They're always going to think that's enlightenment. Yeah. Yeah. They're always going to confuse that with enlightenment because they have, they've only got the two outer states to compare it from. Of course, the mystical experience is all the unity consciousness. Yes, yes. It's always going to be more enlightened than the ego. Yes, yes. There's more to the disidentified. Yeah. So that's why I didn't go attached to the mystical experiences and says this is it. Yeah. Yeah. And before you have a realization, which is the locking of the true nature, it's really, really difficult to see this because I've been trying to tell people the difference between mystical experiences, which is the temporarily transcendence of the self, which the self always comes back because it's not realization yet, versus the permanent drop in the way of the self, which is a huge difference there. Yeah. If you haven't had a realization and realization can only occur like naturally. There's no realization on a psychedelic trip on your heart. I mean, maybe there is, but like it's so filtered, you can't extract it. Right. So when I keep trying to tell people that, dude, there is a difference between a realization and an experience between dropping away of the center permanently versus just temporarily transcending the self, because when you still have a center in the head, no matter how crazy this experience is, it's still going to be filtered through whatever solidity that's in the head. If you're in the beginning of the path, this solidity is your entire body mind. Once you get to the very end of the path, this solidity could be this tiny little atom somewhere like in the head somewhere. Yeah. We're going to get in the way of infinity closing in on itself into this figure eight loop and 99% and 100% is quantum. It's a different order together. Yeah. Oh, man. It's just so much of like a relief. So, so what is, what is wisdom? What is insight and wisdom? If I, if I may, if I may read the I'll pull it up for people. And for people that are getting kind of confused and scared, I'll just remind you one thing. Wisdom is not something you accumulate with the mind or something you read in spiritual books. Wisdom is taking away all the falsehood until you left with what is. Now we talk about a lot of crazy ships, like, you know, all your awareness is going from 720 to 1080 to 4k to 360, 8k. You're like, what the fuck? How do I get that? Well, let me ask you, is reality, panoramic 360? If so, then that's what you are. It's always been the case. It's always been the case. Does the universe have a center point? If not, then you don't have a center because you're the universe. It's very simple. And this is the sentence Relief of being literally nobody. Relief of being literally nobody. That is when you're dropping into this emptiness, you're dropping into this no self, you're dropping into slowly into this naughty state, you're just kind of dropping in easefully. And it's just this relief of not needing to be anyone, a relief of knowing that you're nothing along with everything and that you can just peacefully relax all of the contracted conditioning that you built up over the years of wanting to be seen as an individual wanting to be seen as a somebody. Although we are still that spark of the infinite like we mentioned, but all of that contracted energy that built up around all of the conditioning from your childhood and all of the things of wanting to impress other people and to have all of this money and success and fame and oh, if I just or being a spiritual cunt, just exactly, especially that one has been so important for me recently to be practicing that one more and more of just letting go of needing to be seen as a spiritual cunt. Seriously. So the relief of being literally nobody. The ultimate attainment is non attainment. The last layer of the dream, the brahman. Once you get so deep, you become brahman. That's the last layer of the dream. You go so deep, you're like, come and shit, man. This is the brahman. Everything's brahman. But even that could be said anywhere from ultimate attainment is non attainment. But this is when you have to reflexively switch lenses. Okay, on Monday, I'm going to use the emptiness lens. I'm going to go, I'm going to have a Tinder day and this Tinder day is the Buddhist. Oh, I'm going to put on an empty list list. Hey, this is going to be a rising brahman. I finish it. Okay, let's go. You go have a Tinder day and this girl is, she studied Hinduism. You put on a brahman lens. You're like, everything's unified mind. Okay, we just, we just mentioned this one. The relief of being literally nobody, which is great, the dying into the ordinary. Oh, we haven't mentioned that one. Yeah. That one's so important, really. I can only relate to that one from a direct experience where you're literally, it's like, it's kind of like being a permanent aftertrip, except it's deeper than that because in the natural state, there's neither an experience nor a mind, right? So it's even deeper than mine for expensive, but it's very similar to beyond asset all the time where you look at anything at all, you just see the entire universe in there. You don't see infinite like zooms. You just, you just, it's just timeless. It's just, I don't know, you can just like, you know how you're a little kid and just in a sandbox, you just like playing with sand, playing with leaves, just, you know, looking at bullshit. And then there's just no time. You don't have to go anywhere. And that's, that's your moment to moment experience in a natural state. Yeah. And I remember when I was shifted into the state, when I was still kind of dissolving, when I read that, I was like, Holy shit, this is exactly what it feels like, because it literally feels like you're, you're every moment is like disjointed, right? And each moment you're being reborn and being reincarnated. And each moment when you look at like, I was swiping my, I was wiping my ass and then I was like looking at my poop and I could, I could feel like just my sense of self just come, even the last speck of it just completely dying into the, into the toilet paper. And there's nothing but the toilet paper, you know what I mean? And then, but then as long as I move the toilet, there's another, a new dimension. And it's the last time you die. And you kind of look at this a little bit where you literally every moment it feels like you're really dying into this disjointed frame. And then after a while, it just becomes more stabilized. And once you're all dead, you don't feel like you're dying anymore. Yeah. That's what you feel the most alive. You should extend the duality between distance and non-distance, between life and death. Gosh. And don't fear this process of dying. Know that it's a natural part of the spiritual awakening and that it's only going to make you an even better steward and shepherd of the reality awakening to its nature. It'll only make you more pure in the process. Yeah. Yeah. Well, spiritual speaking of the process again, there are two major shifts on the spiritual path. One is the move from ego to being, the move from ego to awareness or consciousness or God. All that's being stuff. The second move, which is that's painful. That's dying for a lot of people. That's literally death. That's very difficult. Dark nights, dark nights after dark nights. The second stage, sorry, the second phase, the second shift from being, from existence, from infinity to non-being to nothingness, that hurts even more because you're letting go of even God. Yeah. That hurts even more because you're letting go of this infinite field that you thought to be you. You have to decide anything from that and that hurts even more. That's why most people don't make it that far. I always say that waking up or dissolving the ego is awakening. Dissolving even God is the natural state, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. Now, I'm not making a claim about the ontological existence of God or not. Oh, that's completely yeah. Yeah. We're not. And you could, you could, if you were just using the word God to reference the highest or the absolute, you could just use it to reference the coin that we've been talking about. Yeah. Yeah. Which is that one side is emptiness, the other side is infinity. Yeah. That's why this picture there, because in a natural state, you can call yourself a monkey or a god or human being or a table, whatever. It doesn't matter. Like you go, sorry. The difference is during the, during the God phase, I can feel my ego popping up when I look at the word God or when I communicate with another spiritual con and we're talking about God realization, I could feel my ego popping up. This is because we associated the word God with the capital S self. This is why versus if you also were to associate God with emptiness or with no self or with Dow or the natty state, then you could say that this is God in the shape of the coin of emptiness and infinity with the, you could say consciousness or awareness as this primary attribute of the power to know. Yeah. So, so in the natural state, you could, when I say I'm God or I'm awareness or I'm monkey or I'm pranking, it makes absolutely no difference. There's no trigger. There's no preference. There's no contraction of any of these. There it is. That's the only difference really. It's all the same. The difference is the contraction identification. That's it. Yes. Yeah. So we're not moving any stages. Okay. The disappearing into the dark light of the absolute, you said this was a Nisargata, the Maharaj phrase. Yeah. Also use the dark light to describe no self because like we said before, it's almost, it's the combination of infinity versus nothingness. Yeah. So it's both dark and light. Beautiful. It's both disappearing and dying into the actual ordinary while manifesting this infinite consciousness and field of experience. Perfect. Then let's do life fucking itself and closing the infinity loop. Well, closing the infinity loop is just the point I've been making about how if there's still a solidity in the body, Mario, anywhere in the field of experience, infinity cannot fully comprehend itself. Yes. Yes. You know how the logo or the animation of the figure eight or the snake cosmic state? Or boros. Yes. Yes. It's only infinity like this, right? If there's a speck in there, it won't close. It won't close. So even that little bit of, even if it's at the level of, even if you've popped beyond the egoic, separate conditioning to even awareness or consciousness, consciousness, it says, even if even if you're there that even if you've started to taste a little bit of infinity and emptiness and when I if you've tasted it, you'll still have these bits of the separate self that are there. And this is what you're referencing perpetually, which is the difference between getting to the point of sort of like 99% dissolving that all the way down to that. Yeah. Yeah. That's the difference between you as a separate entity, having an experience of awareness, consciousness or the divine versus just reality being itself. It's not okay. It's not a separate entity having the realization of the divine, but it's life recognizing the divine. Yeah, just life being itself. Life being itself. Yeah. Say anything about, you know, this process is saying too much, even say infinity penetrating itself, eternity gazing back itself, it's saying a little bit so much. Okay. Cool. That we just covered that as well. And that's the difference between that, you know, how people get into the later stages of Janas, they do get into infinite consciousness, but the teacher would tell them, Hey, you still stuck in the golden chain of the formless realm because they're experiencing infinite consciousness as a meditator, versus the solution of the meditator, where there's only. Yeah, exactly. So rather than having the experience of the divine as a separate entity, it's life itself. Just, that's it. That's it. Again, it's a difference between transcendence of the self, which is the quick glimpse. And this glimpse lasts for months or five seconds versus the permanent drop in the way of the self. Yeah. Beautiful. And life fucking itself also is deeply at play with dependent origination as well, that it collapses the witness, the witnessing and the witnessed into one. And that's what this unit locality is. So dependent origination is very interesting because it's basically the notion that everything is interconnected, everything is interpenetrated, everything is, you know, co-dependent rising, right? So without you there, there won't be a me here. And we're all connected to infinite webs of conditioning. And the reason why dependent origination is never talked about is because without realizing emptiness and no self, you cannot perceive dependent origination in real time. And then without perceiving dependent origination in real time, you're always going to be standing on the ground. For example, the move from ego to consciousness is understanding that the self, the thinker, the ego is just another thought. Right? Before you used to think that the Frank Yang is the thinker and this thing is popping out thoughts. But then after stream entry, you realize that this Frank Yang character, this avatar is just another thought, no different from any other thoughts. It's not the generator of thoughts. It's not the creator of thoughts, not the thinker of thought is in itself just another thought that's empty with no one behind it popping in and out of nothing. No different from any other thought. That's stream entry. To move from stream entry to the later stages, you have to apply that process of self-inquiry into the big self, into even the God mind. Now, if dependent origination is true, then consciousness or the ground of being, whatever ground of being that you identify yourself with, whether that's God mind or Brahman, that's also dependent originating. Because consciousness is the result of the dependent origination between the observer, perception, the object of perception. It's dependent on all kinds of stuff to be able to generate this experience of consciousness.