 Making such random noises. God. It was like, it was silent for like 10 seconds and my eyes directly went to my router. My router was like, am I dead? Is it gone? Oh my god, that was interesting. You went from router to router. Yeah. I wonder if that's cause you're conflicted about the... I don't know if that's European versus American or British versus American or what? I have no idea. In German I say Wutah. So... It's a router. Wait, no, sorry, a router. It's a router. A router and a router are two different things in the US. Oh my god. Well, I mean, isn't like there's... It's router though, right? Like, router is how it's... No, router. Cause you find the route. Follow the route. Well, no, but what I'm saying is like... You know how it's called Route 66? Yeah, I was about to say, yeah, it's regional. Route 66. No one says Route 66. However, we... Like here, everything is route except for when you're speaking of specifically Route 66. The only thing I can think of is router router, which is like used for unclogging stints. Routes for routing the enemy? Yeah. You also have those. Yeah, which is RRUT. So it's a big mess. The English language. But a plant is affixed to the ground with roots. And it has roots. Yeah, that's right. Two O's. That's true, yeah. Wait, I... Well, there's a couple words like that, right? Pronounce the same, but different spellings and vice versa. Wombo. Like Wombo, yeah. Oh, edgy, they're edgy. Like, you might tout something, but if you toot, you should apologize. Why is for these boys so damn deep? I can't help that. Everyone sounds deep. My point. Change it. What? Oh, Fringy. Me? I'm not often accused of having a deep voice. Every time Fringy wakes up, he has like an illness for an hour. It's weird. And then I'll be fine. Don't worry. Yeah, it's interesting. Isn't it so weird that in Spooktober we had what we considered a really good show and a really bad show? That is spooky. That's scary. I'd say so. I'm terrified. Jesus had something to do with it. He sent it from the heavens. Oh, no. Oh, no. Not the mosquitoes. There he is. Taking his route. Always when I'm live. The only time it hadn't happened was when I was in a call with rags. I think that's like the ultimate thing. It has to be when someone can hear it from the other side. I'd never, ever hear it otherwise. Those mosquitoes just hate that I'm streaming. Which, by the way, someone said, Holy shit, I'm going to catch up on your other 15 streams this month. It's like, yeah, I know. So many things happening. This is what separates the real fans from the pretenders. We actually played Jackbox Party Pack 7 last night. And oh my God, fringy. You're going to love two of the games in there. What do you eventually get to play up? Oh, why? Well, I don't even want to spoil it. I would rather you experience some of it. Get around to it. One of them, though, was so bad as soon as it started, we all decided to quit. I think we were done with it the second it had explained itself. We were like, the one that was that seemed to have the most work and effort put into it in the most production value. We just were like, no, we're not even doing this. It hurt to even think about it. If I can't draw a penis fighting a butthole, then honestly, I just don't even want to bother. What is the rest of my plan? OK, lots of fun. Highlight for me probably was anti duck woman versus duckman. And I just know every node of golf at the end. Yes, we went through all the nightmare maps. I think that like that that one Jackbox Party Pack would be fun to like put at the end of an eFab or something every once in a while, just especially if there's like at least five people still here or something. I don't know. Maybe maybe six is needed. I wouldn't I'd need a check. But yes, some people want to just acknowledge again. The movie Bob has been released from his ex escapist contract. He's no longer working with them, I guess. He has escaped the escapist. All right. They would not allow him to stay. Someone has like linked it in the discord. There's like this new channel trailer or something that came out relatively recently or at least something that's like talking about the benefits you can get from I think being a patreon for escapist. And there's a lot of different things. It was like, you know, you can get videos early. You can get access to the badges and stuff. One of the things was you can get access to our Q&A's and it showed Yahtzee answering them in like a video of log format. And then it showed Jack Packard doing it. There's a movie Bob doing it. I was like, I think he's go. Yahtzee Longbone on stream. Well, she was she was with us yesterday. She streamed yesterday. Yeah, that that lady got a lifer. She can't be dragged onto every single effect. Yeah, she got asked many times to provide wet farts. We did. Maybe it's because we're talking about the boys. That kind of makes sense. But we did talk to her because that shows a wet fart. Yeah. Yeah, she she wasn't a fan of season two. In fact, I think she took up a stake against it quite early as well to people's dismay because, yeah, we'll be talking about it today and I don't know what the general sentiment around it is right now. I think it's like 50-50. Yeah, but yeah, I hear a bunch of those. I think that my, you know, people people turning on it at a very specific point as opposed to much, much earlier when it was bad. But hopefully today we'll be able to prove from standpoint that it was garbage, but I will it's totally understandable why that particular moment is to everyone. Which one was it? Especially a country. It was the opening one. We're absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, it's funny. Lots of people call him fat deals. So many people have no idea what that reference is. And I'm just like, oh, yeah, I should. Yeah. Okay. We shouldn't call him that. You guys should. Oh, yeah. They're just confused that. That whole scene is just a complete like nothing works. It's incredibly stupid. Um, some people who watched Rags and I stream about the finale will have heard a bunch of the criticisms we're going to be laying out today, but still plenty left. I thought before we start though, we could talk a little bit about the haunting of blind man. We haven't actually said anything really on EFAP about it yet. Um, so the way we did it was we got six people together and we watched the haunting of Hill House with half of us having seen it before and the other half not having seen all of it and that might get pressed into something at some point. In fact, you four three have seen the sort of initial render of what it can look like. And I'm just trying to work on getting the rest done and that it'll it'll be a new format for EFAP potentially. We'll have to see what you guys think in terms of whether or not it goes forward. Um, but the idea is that it's like a companion piece to you watching the show yourself because I did the Mulan one, right? There was there was some there was some comments they're saying that they'd like to see us watch more stuff. That's good. But the obvious problem that we've raised before is that we end up not saying anything at all when the yeah, when it shows good, you want to enjoy it and absorb it and and and you want to really focus and it's bad. You could just just poop all over it and it's fun and you can laugh at it. Haha. Yeah. And so the format is essentially just a supercut of the episode and then us discussing how much we liked it. And so it's not going to be quite as entertaining as something like Batwoman, but we'll see what you guys think when I pop that out. We ended up doing it for blind manna too. And we were relatively happy with by manner. Relatives. Oh, yeah. We were not to undersell it, but why manner is like phenomenally greater seasons and television never made. Yeah, probably my favorite show ever seen. Yep. It was pretty phenomenal. Yeah. And the ratio of how good it is to the number of episodes. And we watched it all in one single sitting, but some of us had like jobs and stuff, but we almost did. We would have and that's how good it was. Yeah, it's it's incredible. Um, I just saw somebody in chat say blind manna was pretty mad like a four out of 10. I'm sorry, buddy. It's like I don't think we've ever rated a show as close to a 10 out of 10. But that show is as close to a 10. I think you can get you ask about the haunting. Is it, um, is it like more scary as in like genuine making the person feel terror or is it more just jump scares? So I would say that, um, the way to look because they're both they're both horror shows, but like Hill House is more traditional horror in the sense of, you know, spooky ghosts kind of blooming around and, uh, whereas I think blind manna, it definitely has that angle, but it leans a lot more into a more like exit, I guess existential kind of horror or like a psych kind of more psychological aspects of it. Yeah, psychological. Um, it's very, very few jump scares then very few. It's the fewest I've seen in an entire season of a horror show. I just, I hate. They're so cheap. They just, I don't know. There's, there's not, there's not none, but I'm more than happy with the couple that there are in terms of the context of how they delivered. The, uh, the thing with the, how much we're praising the show though is, is absolutely a hot take. It might be hotter than the boys being bad for season two. A lot of people think blind manna is very bad. A lot of people think it's very boring. A lot of people, uh, considered it just a small. It's been painful. And yeah, the six of us, the other two, by the way, were Jay and Theo. We were, we were pretty blown away with how well written it was. Uh, so that'll, I don't know what will happen with that eventually, but, um, our entire experience watching it was recorded and I'm going to try and chop it up so that there's something on the channel in relation to that because I don't really want to say too much. I'd rather people go and try and check it out. Yeah. Um, but if you don't like it, you're wrong. Blind manna had a 62 from critics on Metacritic and 50 from users, user reviews. Oh, fucking hell. I can't believe it. They probably, these people, Mandalorians 93. Hey, Mandalorian is great. You, you stop that. So good. Great as in a greats my nerves. Oh, um, blind manna is not going to get nemmy, is it? No, I don't think so. It's not, not enjoyed, which is a shame, but, um, like I said, I always hope that Mike Flanagan keeps on keeping on with, with, with his style. He's really fucking good. And I hope this doesn't dissuade him. There's a lot of crazy fucking articles that were written post what like two episodes of watching. It's like those show is what it says it is. There was a shocking amount of reviews that were just explicitly this show isn't scary enough for me one out of 10. That it made us upset. Because come on, Bola, be objective. What do you think I'm doing? Yeah. Wasn't there a review that said that the show isn't scary because ghosts aren't real? That wasn't up. Yeah. Yeah. Like no kidding. Like we kind of, we kind of, you know that, you know that like other things like superheroes aren't real either. And God, I hate to, I hate to see your reaction when you find out about Star Wars and Jedi. Mando isn't great. I'm still not sure it's as bad as you say except episode six. Why wouldn't you go for four? Yeah. Four is generally the one that's the disaster episode. Yeah. Four is a disaster. Four is one of the worst episodes of TV I've ever seen ever on anything. Which one was that? So that's the fending the town against. Oh yeah. That was the last episode I've seen. Um, I actually didn't, I didn't mind the Mandalorian. I thought it was okay. Um, I mean, there was lots of, lots of like plot convenience and some other stupidity that like, why didn't, why didn't Mando just go and tear apart all of the, uh, the Jawas? It's like they really don't stand a chance against them. Like he could have easily kind of just wiped them all out. But then he's like, no, they have a big, big tractor thing. He's like, okay, that's not really an issue. But, um, You don't think so? The tractor? No. I mean, he could have easily killed like many of them and he just wasn't trying at them. We tried, but he failed. I don't know. Like I think if he actually tried, he could have played. He wasn't really trying. No, I think, I think it was meant to make them look like more of a threat than they really are. I don't, I don't believe for even a moment that the Jawas with their little shock sticks would stand a chance against them. They did a pretty good job. Man, I'm just spotting hot takes everywhere. So someone said Tron Legacy is better than Hill House or Blimey. What? Someone said like there's no idea as good as Hill House is. So what else said? A baffled, a baffled, a baffled that EFAP even like Hill House as much as they do. What the hell's going on? It's so weird. I feel topsy-turvy land. It is topsy-turvy land. I guess we've got to get long form in-depth reviews out. That's the only way to do it. Give me one reason that doesn't say boring, not scary, please. Please cause remember what bores you is pretty subjective like because the responses. Oh, it didn't bore me. Well, now we're at a standstill. It's not scary. Well, it scared me. I guess I should say welcome to EFAP 105. That's our intro. Okay. Hey! I remembered. Go about why, man. Please. We need more shows like that. Oh, absolutely. Hopefully, like I said, hopefully our recordings, supercut thing can can can help. But yeah, we have been chat. Just chill out for a second. You're distracting me with a hot take. I said it. Our new guest for the day who had popped on for, I think like a half hour on a previous episode. It's like 15 minutes. Yeah. Yeah, before do you, I guess you want to go by blame the controller and then blame the name, right? Blame or just BTC is what everybody refers to me as. There you go. Welcome. Welcome. Yeah. I believe you've you've seen a decent chunk of the show before, right? The ones are twice. You're in there. You were you weren't happy with Jay just said the boys season two is boring and not scary. Scary bad. Oh, yeah, blame you. You weren't a huge fan of the boys season two. Huh? You wouldn't think it was too good. No, and the thing is, is I really enjoyed the first season. I was incredibly hyped for the second season. But and I knew that they were going to do woke stuff. Like it was it's inevitable, but I was hoping that it would be at least kind of like balanced or at a minimum that it would be entertaining, but it wasn't it was like just so blunt and on the nose and and it just after like the first episode, it just went downhill. And then I started noticing that there was lots of lots of issues with it, particularly the the final episode is just the trotius, but lots of like plot convenience, contrivance, jetpacking and just other other ridiculousness and it I think it has to do with the fact that the the show creators were making their own stuff up. They weren't adapting anything from the comics anymore. Instead, like they were making almost everything up themselves and you could tell that there was a significant drop in the quality. I mean, like that could be tied to adaptation. I would assume that they're also really incompetent because a lot of their ideas could have just been done better as opposed to them losing a structure to not necessarily copy but adapt. But yeah, I've heard lots of different things about the comic I have equally heard that the comics are way better and the comics are terrible. Yeah, I've heard a lot of conflicting stuff about the comics and we don't generally worry too much about that here. We're we don't take adaptation arguments really all that seriously, I guess things should stand on their own. But we hear a lot of mix but that's kind of comics in general. We hear a lot of positive stuff about comic versions of things and a lot of negative stuff about comic versions of things. Yeah, we see different people arguing back and forth with their sort of there's a lot of fighting about which which ones are what things and how good they are and what things we count what things we don't which writer which era and it's always just like we're always like I have fucking moving away. Yeah, I mean, I definitely think that it should be able to stand on its own. I am familiar with the comics like I know all of the the spoilers and the twists and everything that happens in the comics. So I mean there is there's a level of comparison just for the simple fact that like what they did with Black Noir in the show is so so much worse than what they did in the comics like and I don't I don't want to go to we can talk about it because we've we've told our audience before because you know you guys know what happens with Black Noir. Yeah, we've seen we've seen season two. It's hard to learn. Yeah, we've seen it. No, I mean like what happens in the comics with Black Noir. Well, okay, well, so may as well say it right now. So everyone in chat. This is going to have all spoilers for everything the boys. Okay, comics and show all coming out. Be afraid. In case that wasn't already obvious. Yeah, so from what I heard, I think it was an erotic that told me or someone else I can't remember but the idea is that Black Noir is secretly like people don't know but he's a clone of Homelander and he ends up being the one that has to he's like the contingency plan and he ends up killing Homelander. Yes, so in the comic all those super bad stuff is actually done by Black Noir and like it's this massive, massive twist and it works really well in the comics, I think and what did we get in the show? We got an allergy to tree nuts. It's like it's like when you compare, you know, again, I do agree that they need to stand on their own but when I when I compare the two, it's like, okay, well one is significantly worse than the other. Also people keep asking what is jetpacking. You remember in Game of Thrones, how Littlefinger and Jon Snow had jetpacks and every episode they would like be at a completely different location. You'd be like fast traveling. Yeah, yeah, basically fast trapping but one of the one of the jokes on the on the Free Folk Reddit was his jetpack. So that's that's what I meant by jetpacking. Like in one of the episodes with Butcher, he has to go and visit his mother. So he's just like he's there and then he talks to her and then like right at the end of that scene, he's back at the hideout. It's like, what? Come on. So like they just they make the characters fast travel a lot more, particularly with again episode eight. Maeve does like serious like, oh man. So what did you say? That's not inherently bad. It's like the idea is that it's an impossibility. I mean, she's even immune to the whole you can't fast travel when enemies are nearby. She can even do that. So kind of people. Okay. He is mod. She's admin. So yeah. Oh wait, before we get started, I suppose. Blame. What are you? What do you think's better? Christmas or Halloween? Christmas. There you go. Fair enough. Well, you're on the way to get out of here. No, that's half of us think Christmas is better. More than half. Half of us are right now. Yeah, that's right. That's true. In fairness, me and Mel look like the most psychopathic out of the avatars. So we can take it. It's a shame that you can't see the whole picture from avatar because I'm about to punch a little clown boy in that. Little red hair on the bottom. See like a kind of a face. But yeah, I was I was thinking and you you're all going to know where I'm going with this except maybe blame. We start with one of the last scenes from the season one finale before we jump into season two. You want to do you want to guess which one I'm talking about free? So when we watched season one, one of the things that was immediately I think we knew was going to be a problem was that I'm homeland and blew up a baby. Butcher. And the not homelander. Yeah, Billy blows up a baby and my immediate thing is like, oh, I think the show is going to forget about it because my God, it kind of destroys Billy to do it in a mechanical sense, right? So Billy's plan is I threatened to kill still well or just straight up killer in front of homelander is my form of revenge, right? Or a way to get just way to get to him. But of course, that's fucked up when homelander comes down the stairs holding a baby. They have a reaction shot from Butcher, where he's just like, fuck, like this car and it allows it's good. It allows the scene to happen where they all can have a discussion. But the big, the big subversion is that he blows still well head off himself. It's like, oh, because of course they've got a whole plotline going all good stuff, except when Billy's like, well, then fuck it blows himself but it's like, but the baby was still in the room and season two is like, it's fine because the baby's alive. It's like, no, that's not fine. Can I point out though that we see Butcher ignite the explosives and then it takes what? Maybe a second or so. So homelander has to get Butcher and get the baby and get far enough away in the matter of about a second. Yeah, may I say like killing the baby from absolutely whiplash would destroy both of them. But can I just say this is probably one of the most impressive and heroic things homelander has done in the show. And it's really amazing to me that they had that happen. Um, can you give me a reason why homelander would have rescued the baby? Yeah, he was out and I think the only reason he did was so that people who've already said it in chat right now that, um, hey, the baby didn't die though. Yeah, that's why it doesn't change anything. That's why the writers had homelander save the baby was because Butcher doesn't have baby blood in his hands. But the thing is he made the choice. It doesn't matter if the baby died or not. The problem is he chose to do it. Yeah, which before we even get to the events of season two makes it really hard to be like, man, I love Billy Butcher. The baby killer. Kind of everyone's destroyed at this point. I can't think of any one character that I actually sort of want to be okay. It's fine. We'll get it. We've got to start nice and soft, right? You see, you got to start. We'll just we'll just inject some things into people along the way and then we'll come down hard once we get to the further episodes. So this is before season two even happens and I'd say it's a major issue. Now our prediction before watching season two was that they would have a throwaway line that the baby survived, but that they would never address the fact that Butcher chose to blow up a baby. We were, I would say 99% right. Because in there's a scene where they say like, you know, Butcher, you killed still well, which by the way, we'll get to all these things, but why would they believe a news report from Vaughan? Either way, Butcher says she was dead before I blew her up or whatever. And then Huey's like, that's supposed to make it okay. Which for one, it's like, well, I mean, kind of. Yeah, I mean, I didn't kill her. But two, it's like, wait, Huey, do you know that there was a baby in the room? Nobody nobody's calling about for this. It's like, oh, dad, I think the show's choosing to forget it. Yeah, which is a real shame. They forgot about a train's heart condition later on. Oh, like I said, we're going to try and go chronological. That one's a fucking insult. That one's there's lots of them. But, um, yeah, I was just because like, I think season two starts off with saying like, yeah, baby was found 17 miles away. It's like, huh. There would be a liquid baby. Well, it's just frustrating because it's like, you do realize this doesn't exonerate butcher, right? Like it doesn't. Well, this is the thing. It makes it difficult to even talk about him as a character now because it's like, so, um, he's good. He's like, I guess he's like, he's almost, he's worse than the Punisher. He doesn't even seem to have a code. He just, he wants revenge and you'll do anything you can to get to it, uh, even killing babies, which makes it really hard to root for him. Yeah. Nerd Roddick talks about this quite a bit with, um, the butcher in the show is like fairy godmother compared to the butcher in the comic. Like he is, he is Punisher times a hundred in the comic. He's super, super hardcore. It seems like they've let portions of that leak in, but by accident, I don't know because I would make it a huge deal that he's like in order to hurt homeland or I'll even kill a baby. Like that's a huge character thing. That's just never even brought up. It's in the, in the comics, in the comics, butcher kills his friends, like people that he considers to be friends. He just straight up murders them. So like with no remorse at all. So like there's, there's no comparison. Look at this. He's a self-professed killer since the episode two of season one. I don't see the issue. Yeah, soldiers are killers, but that doesn't mean they go around blowing a baby's indiscriminately without any warrior care or without repercussions and without anyone holding them account for it. Killing a baby, like other bad people say that you're even worse when you, again, the show forgets. Homelander protected the baby. Do you understand how crazy this is? Yeah, tell me the mechanism by which this occurred in the show. Tell me how a homelander was able to in a split second save not only the baby, but also butcher without breaking their spines. Yeah. So butcher in the show is often framed as like cool badass and also the one that we root for. But then at the same time, they just have these little moments where we're like, wow, that's not sure he's the guy I thought he was question mark, but the show like you can tell they want to forget the baby one. Oh, yeah. As for the there are other moments of butcher being a fucking idiot in this season. I'm trying to think of times where he's done something like morally reprehensible. There's not that many moments are there? No, no, not really. I'm thinking of the guy they kill him and starlight technically both of them are involved in that starlight says, well, I don't care. Man, what a hero. We'll get you to get to that one too. I don't want to kill them. Butcher Butcher just wants to threaten them. But yeah, we'll get to that one. I mean, well, in fairness, butcher approves of what she did. So true. So yeah, it makes it makes it complicated to speaking from a utilitarian perspective. Is it worse to kill a baby or an adult? So the idea with killing a baby is that they're absolutely innocent. There's just nothing about them that could possibly have done anything to anyone and it's not their fault. They're even here. So it's supposed to weigh on a character at least to some degree. But if you're telling me that that is who butcher is, you'll just kill anyone and everyone in order to move along in life is for what he wants to do. It's like, damn, okay. Yeah, he's not the guy. I thought he was, I guess. Also that creates issues for if he's willing to kill innocent babies, then what is ever going to stop him in the future? Like how do you how do you possibly balance that for the rest of your show once you establish what he's willing to do? I think you could actually work that quite well if you had competent writers because you would then have butcher essentially willing to do whatever. But at the same time, the other characters would have to kind of adjust and there would be less trust between them and they would be kind of like a subtle conflict even among the boys and stuff that happens like later in the comics. But also speaking of babies, we missed out on a really probably one of the most horrific things ever placed in a comic. Are you aware of what Black Noir did to a baby? With the is this like he punched one to death or something? No, he ate it. Oh, you ate one, right? Yeah. Um, okay. So it sounds I'm kind of getting the impression that the comics are just really edgy. They're really. Yeah, kind of what I might be the show. Oh man. Go several people in chat saying you don't understand the character of Butcher. Oh boy, I'm sorry. I never got any indication in the TV show that Billy was willing to kill children. Um, no, I don't buy that. And the show actually they think that they've exonerated him and they have I would argue his core motivation is soups being allowed to do whatever the fuck that they want and innocent people die and they're not held accountable. And then you have him killing an innocent child for the fuck of it. So I actually think it's completely against his core. Yeah, because this whole reason he's involved in this is because supposedly he thinks that Homelander killed his wife and don't site the fucking comics when we're talking about the character to show. All right, let's not do that again. So, uh, that's interesting as well. Cause, uh, you know, some of the things that people say happen in the comics to me, it sounds like the comics are a different tone from the show almost completely to be able to have a scene where a character is eating a baby. I feel like seems like probably goes to, um, crazy at places. You probably just can't do that on TV even like it's just not going to happen. No one's going to put that on your television network. I actually saw as well when we briefly broke the Starlight thing, which we'll get to back to back chat with someone said, um, but you're essentially forced her to kill the guy. And then another chat said, uh, why the hell did she just stand in front of the gun? She's bulletproof. You know, that's a good question. Question. That's a good question. She is immune to 50 cows, but she's not immune. Hey, pistols. Wait, wait. Oh boy. I'll get you. People bring it. I saw people bring that up. He brought a 50 cowl to pause Starlight. Right. And in season two, they bring pistols to fight Stormfront. I know. So that's what they use to shoot at her when their RPGs are fucked, or at least before that, I think before they even go to the RPGs, which I just find amusing. Like they seem to understand the kind of power they're dealing with sometimes. Also announcing the RPGs or something they had. That was a really good moment too. But yeah, you know, I say this, we're all rushing ahead, which we will do, but the season starts with we've got the contracts going or whatever the combo of the soups are moving in with the military. And so it's a good way to start the season where we get some information on how this works, the government, the DoD with with Vaught. Now, they were not going to cover every issue in the show because it's just too many, we would need to go through each episode with a fine tooth cone, which we've been unable to do up to this point, but I might be trying to do that as time goes on. But I know about this one. It's really interesting. They talk about three significant things with the DoD. The first, we just do them in whatever order. Well, the first one was that they all report to Gus Fring. Yes. And Gus Fring's justification for that when the DoD questioned it is, hey, that's what other military contractors do. Yeah, as if this is even remotely the same, like you have something like Hoblander and it's like, yeah, this guy from this corporation gets to decide what he does. Oh, and if I need to have any visuals to prove anything on screen, I've got all the episodes ready. So it's no problem. But the fascination to me that the government would be like, yeah, okay, Gus Fring, you can control where and when and what all your heroes are doing in the field of battle as a part of our conjoined relationship. I find that fucking insane. But yeah, it follows a similar sort of thematic consistency in the show, which is that Vought just sort of gets to do whatever and whatever they want. They're not really punished in any meaningful way ever. They just sort of get to get away with everything, which is actually a good lead into the next part, which they say collateral damage being the death of innocence in the field of battle much a covered topic as was in in civil war. Publicly officially the number will be zero percent. No such thing will never be doing that, but the cone of silence, meaning what the DoD will be asked to cover up if it should happen caps out at 34 percent. Yeah, why 34 percent? How could they possibly even keep that under wraps? Why would they be cool with 34 percent collateral damage? How shitty are your heroes? They're just like blowing up 34 percent of people. 34 percent of what? Of the city? Yeah, of what exactly? Well, of the populace in the place, I guess. 40 percent of depths of the whole city. Yeah, I do like the idea that 35 percent is just too much for what? Like, why is it 34 percent? What's that mean? Well, 34 percent is a third, right? So you'd think that if it was 33 percent, right, which is, you know, a third, people would just be all right with that. I was like, yeah, third of the populace died when the superhero did a thing. It's fine, though. Well, it's not that's not even what they're saying. It's the to the public. It's zero. Like, we will not have any collateral damage, but what the DoD is willing to cover up would be up to 34 percent, which to which the DoD would say no. I just I find that so bizarre, like 34 percent is a completely arbitrary number. It is. From when I was deployed. No, you do not have. No, just no superheroes, though, they for some reason, even though they're stronger and faster, they are allowed more to stand than regular soldiers. You'd think it'd be the total opposite. We also have to consider like when you're talking about actual military operations, right? Like we are incredibly careful when we send in artillery shells or rockets or or when an Apache goes and takes out an area or something like that. It is like precision when they take out somebody. But when you're talking about, you know, a superhero who is essentially immune to everything except small pocket knives and we'll get to that later on. But we have a superhero that is immune to nearly everything and they can go in and surgically remove, you know, bad guy one, bad guy two, bad guy three. Like you don't have to worry about hitting the whole building and flattening it with artillery. When you can have a guy go in and just take out each one of them. So the idea that you would have to have really anything more than I would think that collateral damage would be extraordinarily rare. Almost yeah, almost non-existent compared to like whatever. I mean, if you're doing 34 percent that basically you're just saying homelands that can go in and laser up like the entire buildings and like half city, which by the way, just to jump forward a little bit, right? He can't even get away with it because most people have phones and that's what a major plot point of the season is. Exactly. Yeah. Oh, except for me, except for me, except means what I'm suggesting is like a cone of silence unless someone has a phone. Which is everybody pretty much in the modern world. Everyone. Yeah. So yeah, that's a another interesting one. The final piece is that they need a new designation for compound V in the hopes of keeping it under wraps. And he says explicitly if the world finds out that these are flowing through the veins of all of our superheroes, like it'll be chaos. He just announces this in a room with like 20 plus people and a guy delivering food and a guy delivering food. Yeah, it was so funny. What I will say in case anyone thinks I'm trying to be disingenuous the guy delivering food is clearly like a member of whatever the D.O.D. or whatever. But the problem is he's just walking in and out of the room. The doors are open and they're talking about some of the most sensitive information as far as they're concerned ever. Plus you think that everyone in Vaat knows that? Yeah. And of course, then he says that so this new designation the response from it's actually Bobby from Supernatural. So I'm just going to say it's that's his name. He he says like the only person who could do that is the president. And what are you going to do? Strong arm into doing it and Gus is like, yes. I just like that's not how it works. This is really I know that I know you're trying to play this character but it doesn't make sense. Just going to the White House until the president of the United States to do whatever you want. All right. That'll work well. I mean, it does sound ridiculous but I think one of the things that kind of works in Vaat's favor is that the superheroes and the seven in particular are perceived as Paragons of justice and virtue and no one whether they're privately or politically wants publicly wants to be seen as opposing you know the homeland or opposing the seven opposing. Why would you want? You know, because you have to understand politicians. Their number one thing is getting reelected. So I don't think that a politician would be comfortable with giving a private corporation the ability to do whatever they want when they control no tanks and stuff. You know what I mean? I don't I don't think that they would but you you can use that as leverage for further. Sure, but like you can't I don't leave some degree White House and then just be like yeah, we do whatever we want. You can't stop us. They would like it doesn't matter if the pop if the populist think they're cool like you're not going to surrender that much power to a private company especially one that could potentially like destroy your government. At Mola it sounds almost exaggerated like a satire. Don't you get it guys? Well, I get guys we've solved it. There are no flaws. It's all just satire. We figured it out. It's all satire any potential issues we might have satire. This is terribly one-sided. I don't know what to tell you. I mean, we all think it's shit. Um, well, but in fairness, it's not like we're just saying it's shit. Yeah, we've got references. I think I don't understand how it's not one-sided when it's Star Wars. I find that interesting. Whatever. Not not not not implying a bias there. Some people I actually saw someone say that in fairness about butcher. He was established from episode one to be a not a do-gooder because he tricked Huey into thinking he was like FBI. This is somehow on the same level as executing an innocent baby. I don't understand, but I will continue. This is okay. Sorry, because a lot of people are saying that I don't understand real world politics because I said that a government like the United States wouldn't just capitulate to a corporation that has the potential to actually destroy their government. Yeah, that's not going to happen. It's not going to fucking happen. If you think it's happening, you're shockingly naive. I don't know. Hey, man, Facebook and Twitter analogous with a company that develops superheroes who are bulletproof and can shoot lasers out of their eyes. Oh, this is going to be a fun night, isn't it? This is going to be painful. Like, well, it's it's ridiculous. It's insane. Do you think that that that a government would give up basically being the government? Rags is satire. It's satire would mean that they wouldn't. Well, it was satire. Then they would they still would be what they would do. And it's just interesting because that's the perfect writer's tool, right? Like you can whatever stretches you want to make. It can just be satirical of a real life thing. And what that means is the real life thing, but not what the real life thing does a more extreme version of it. So nice. I mean, yeah, the cinema sins would be very happy. It just that's just a joke. It's just satire. It's just not that I'm inaccurate. That doesn't make any sense or it's not sense color that's inconsistent with itself. It's fine. Don't worry. It's all satire. So the scene is intercut with Black Noir taking out the terrorists that we both super villain is the name they give him from season one. The one who seems to be able to blow away like a whole room at a time like that's his power. And Black Noir comes up to him and the guy uses the power and it's it's treated like he's majorly shocked that Black Noir doesn't get killed by it, which I find interesting because Black Noir will be world famous. And of course, this guy should know that it's only a matter of time before he's going to bump into a superhero. But I guess the more interesting part than that is that he's clearly wounded the shit out of Black Noir again and he just doesn't do it again. Just gives up, I guess and his head's chopped off. This happens a couple of times in the season where it's just like, hey, your power didn't kill them, but it did something. Maybe use it again. Well, I'd say the most egregious would be starlight with Black Noir. Well, another thing to consider is the fact that these people with powers are not immune to their own powers. We saw that several times with characters. What's his name? Lamplighter burns up, right? And then the acid spit guy like melts his own face off. So it's very clear that he's it's very clear that these yeah, I don't know how like he can produce spit in his mouth and throw it out. And yet when it touches from the other way, it still melts like it doesn't make any sense. But the point I'm trying to make is that this guy has the ability to blow up a room, which means that he's immune to the power or perhaps he is like somehow super durable, right? But Black Noir cuts his head off with a normal fucking sword. So like you can't like how this is this is another issue like later on where they turn on like characters in vulnerabilities just get turned on and off depending on who they're going against and what the plot needs to happen. Oh, for sure. Yeah, it's it's aggravating because realistically that guy who like blew up the whole room like he should essentially be killing himself every time he uses his own power if he doesn't have you know, any kind of super invulnerability. I mean, he took less damage than Black Noir. Correct. He was completely unfazed by the explosion and yet he doesn't have invulnerability. So what the fuck? I got a correction and then a complaint. So back in rags and I stream I think rags highlighted like how is it the Black Noir can actually administer an EpiPen because he's so strong. But you know, he's so resilient as we've, well, when you say resilient, do you mean like how does he pierce his own skin to administer the drug? I saw people talking about it. No, like wouldn't someone who's really strong be able to possibly puncture themselves with so that doesn't change Yeah. What about the hardness in the EpiPen? Which is where the conversation went and then it evolved to Hang on. Jesus, this always happens to me. I want to make a different point. So I set it up and then the setup is assumed to be my point and so I'm just like, no, wait, I'm not done yet. So that was the conversation. But then someone referenced how like if he can take all the slashes that he takes from from Kimiko in season one and then super regenerate. Maybe that's his power. It's not necessarily that he's really strong. We're just like, well, but he survives a blast from the crazy supervillain. Like he must. It can't just be super in generation. Yeah. And all the bombs in the house that are. Yeah, that too. Like it's and this is something another thing the show really benefits from is just a nice and vague on people's powers until they accidentally let slip something like, oh, yeah, Homelander as a child could breach the speed of sound. You're like, oh, no, you shouldn't have said that. You really shouldn't have said that. Yeah, this is a W FAP. Sorry, but it's not. Yeah, sorry that this I'm sorry that this shows terrible and you aren't accepting that. I don't know what you want us to say. The show is bad. They actually did address this in Marvel with the Hulk where they wanted to like calm him down and eject him with some stuff but they couldn't use normal steel because it would just like even if you were super strong, it would just like Ben. So they had to use adamantium in order to actually get through his skin. So like they could do that in the show but like obviously they don't they don't care. Well, the problem is like the show has established that that for the most part there are no there are no counters to these heroes, which is baffling again. I can't believe that the US government would be cool with a bunch of superheroes who are bulletproof and potentially like tank proof, even existing, especially once they discover that it was from a compound. Like an actual secret. Yeah, in secret. This is why it's very frustrating when people like, Oh, you don't understand politics like because politicians would be concerned about a compound which can make you impervious to small arms fire. I don't know. With all the regulation that exists in everything. The idea that especially normal people. Yeah. The the idea in the show which goes back to the whole Vaat can just like apparently get away with anything that they want even after the discovered is the idea that after it is discovered and shown to the world that Vaat is the one who manufactures the superheroes through compound V and they're the ones who are in charge of it all and also all these superheroes having to work for Vaat and also Vaat once the superheroes to be in the military like the idea that they're allowed to continue operating as a corporation is insane. Yeah, you think that that would be absorbed into the government at that point. Seriously, stop highlighting the stupid comments. So what do you mean? These are these the arguments being made right now against our sorry if all the defenses of the show are indistinguishable from I've read out many and tried to provide context. It's like you read out the stupid ones like what? Hey, well, they give us good ones. What do you mean? Do and provide good defenses of the show. This is live. This is not me like fishing through several and finding the stupidest one. That's also I feel bad for all the people who I've been reading. They're like, oh, wow, I'm the stupid comment. I guess look, it's OK to discuss this stuff through because we're we're literally in the first few minutes of episode one. This is considered the good portion of the season. So we're going to get a lot of pushback on this and we're only like five minutes in. Yeah, when we get all the way to the back end of the season, it'll it'll come full full picture. I'm sure of it. So yeah, I was about to say it's just also insane that they do this without having like a real contingent contingency plan. Yeah, the fact that they're just eating four soups. Like, OK, especially especially when we know that Homelander is pretty unstable. It's kind of weird that they don't have like a bomb in his head. That that's why they have Black Noir in the comics. Like, that was that was actually built into it. He was the contingency plan. I feel like that's not even good enough. You need a non superhero way to stop these superheroes. But I mean, at least the comics made an attempt. Sure. But but I still don't I still don't think that's good enough. I think that if bought is meant to be like a real company that exists, they need a non superhero non. We're relying on one person means of stopping superheroes. There should be some sort of like reversal of compound V or there should be some way to actually just kill them. I can't believe that they don't have a kill switch. Yeah. That's what I was waiting for this whole season. It's nice. The plan was the kid. Like, what a crazy contingency plan. That's like an 18 year contingency plan. Well, yeah. What if Homelander goes insane within these 18 years? Yeah, it's like, what if you have to it? The show attempts to do the whole there is a contingency in a horrible way that makes no sense and makes Vought look like a bunch of incompetent idiots. The idea in the first place that Vought would even create Homelander without a contingency that they already have prepared is insane. The fact that their idea of a contingency is to let Homelander grow up to adulthood and then end up impregnating somebody so that his son will have superpowers that will allow the son to maybe one day if they can convince the son to do this be the contingency so that if Homelander needs to be killed they can use his son against him. And again, you haven't even fixed the problem. You've just replaced Homelander with Homelander. You haven't actually done anything. You still have a problem. What is the kids contingency? Does that kid have to have a kid now? And it's just this really horrible father son like contingency system. Like it's insanely ridiculous. This is fucking ridiculous. Most of the soups don't have that enhanced invulnerability. Like you can just shoot them in the head and then like you know more. But not the seven though. Starlight isn't obvious to bullets. Maeve seems to be also a lamp lighter. When he was. Yeah. Compound V is it seems to be more like just like a mute mutant type thing where you don't know what you're going to get. Right. Like it's not like you can predict that Homelander was going to get basically Superman powers. Like he could have gotten you know they had to have known that was a possibility. Right. I still think that's what they were coming for because Black Noir in season three could end up still being the contingency. But it's like again why no kill switch? What the fuck? Yeah. Because even Black Noir was dodgy. In fact what if Black Noir was killed on one of his missions? It seems you know if it bleeds we can kill it. Just saying he's clearly killer. But if you if one of the if he bumped into an Almond Joy like one of these missions. Yeah. What if Homelander used an Almond Joy? Well, there's our there goes our content. We made our contingency to have an Almond Joy. Oh, yeah. By the way, that's that's like almost public knowledge now like all of the boys know and who knows how long before like. Hmm. As soon as Homelander knows about that like exactly how is Black Noir going to be a threat? Also, I can't fly. I don't think you're going to be used in even what I think is going to happen from here forward is Black Noir is going to be used as a prop. He's going to show up when they want him to and then they're going to stuff him back away into the broom closet. Like they've been doing. Yeah. But it's going to be even worse now. Right. I've just noticed several people in chat saying that Homelander is like impervious to nukes. I didn't know that because if you're referencing the comics you got to stop because that's we can't talk. We can't fudge both of them. But if he's impervious to a nuke then this show I don't see how this show could ever work. I don't see how you can beat him. Why would I create something that's unbeatable unless we shove a bomb up his ass? Is that going to be the way we do it? Well, again, we've talked about this. You can kill Homelander. Surely he has to metabolize food and and ensure it gets complicated. It's like does he breathe? Does he not grow hair and sweat and all these functions? Like, so surely there's like there's mechanics going on inside there. He has metabolism. Yeah. And and that opens up like possibilities. I would imagine. Just literally like how and does he breathe? Forget this. Yeah. If he needs to breathe, suffocate him. Surely. Yeah. I don't know. Well, and I'm not suggesting that it's easy just that. Yeah. Can he be killed? It's like, I guess we'll find out and because he can't be killed. My God. Why would they make him like that? That's the thing. Why would you make something that you have no contingency for? Well, the show is in. The boys is just a show. Chill out. Like, I honestly don't know. Have you been here before? I don't just like, yeah. How could you have watched E-Fat with this? I honestly don't know how they're doing. Should we just be saying it's great or? No, just be chill, Rags. Chill out. I honestly don't know how they're going to to deal with him in the show because and I I don't want to bring up the C word. But in the comics, the only thing that kills Homelander is Black Moira. They basically kill each other. How does he? What's the method like, like punching to death or lasers or something? They, they, yeah, they use super strength and their laser eyes and they basically tear each other apart, like physically tear each other apart. And then Black Noir ends up winning, but he's like, he's God. He's like all kinds of gruesome. Like he's missing an arm in a leg and he's just like bleeding all over the place. And he Can he stab him in the eye? Butcher jabs a crowbar in his eye and then like cracks his, his head open and his brains just fall out. But the only, the only thing that can kill those two is basically each other. So like, I don't know what they're going to do in the show because there's nothing that's comparable to Homelander. Like he's just other, other than his son, I guess. I believe that a nuke would blow him up. By the way, just the way that nuclear weapons work. I don't play that anybody's impervious to nuclear weapons. What I'm confused about is Homelander can fly. Isn't Black Noir going to have a lot of trouble with that? Yeah. What if Homelander flies around shooting his lasers at Black Noir? It's like a done over. And also he can travel at the speed of sound Black Noir in that fuss. No. No, there's no way that he Black Noir in the show is even remotely comparable. By the way, traveling at the speed of sound through somebody. Um, it's going to hurt. I mean, we kind of saw that in episode one. Exactly. Exactly. As I saw someone say Stormfront was a contingency. Wasn't she? Stormfront was made before Homelander. Way before. Also, but she can't. How did she kill him? How does that work? I know what I was saying is wasn't she like brought back because of the whole compound V situation getting under control? Yeah, it wasn't me. It wasn't about Homelander from what we could tell in the season. Over there. And again, it's not a contingency because you've just replaced one bad guy with another one. You haven't fixed your problem. You've just delayed it. Stormfront was the first was the first to use compound V. So, yeah. That's a whole topic too. I saw someone say in a sorry you can't assess anything beyond internal consistency. It's like that's a whole thing. So, so let's assume that's true. That's a whole fucking lot, buddy. That's well. Yeah, I guess at that point I'd be like you read the scripts because yeah, we can't quite get much of anything else when it comes to writing outside of the stuff. I'm okay with that. Someone said. Go ahead. No, no, I was going to continue. So you go ahead. If rag is someone said rag seems seems to like home seems to think Homelander was created intentionally. Did that happen in the show or was it a coincidence that they took advantage of? They are they aware that he was created intentionally in a lab? Yeah, like I this seems pretty explicit. I've seen the discord chat complaining about eFab chat. This is quite a funny little civil war. I wonder what this week's civil war will be about. Yeah. Yeah, Homelander was created intentionally in the lab in the show, but they didn't know what powers he was going to get. Man, when they got the outcome that they have like one super super soup. I just assumed that they would have had multiple test subjects and he was the one. Yeah, they probably threw the babies away when when they didn't have the powers that they wanted or something. Yeah, isn't there a throwaway line about how compound V can make you explode? I imagine that happened to a couple of test subjects. Frank another one to adults. So in children, it's extremely stable, but in adults, it does one of a couple things for an adult. It will either give you powers make you go crazy or explode you. That's pretty much the three things that happens as an adult. So one of the things the reason why we're getting ahead of ourselves here, but the reason why lamplighter and stormfront were experimenting in that facility was to make a more stable version that could be used in adults. Oh yeah, and because stormfront's whole goal is to get compound V out to many people if she can build an army and like take out all the people who aren't white question mark. Sort of. Yeah, just more like control rule the world kind of thing. Yeah, because you got to stop them from committing the white genocide as she made quite clear. She that comes out of nowhere. You could say it comes out of nowhere. You could also say that she's just she's all of the characteristics of a hyper racist and you see that dripped in and then it's just too hard to ignore and it gets a little bit funny because you're just like, oh man, yeah, she's she's a cartoon person when when when she's like, oh my gosh, Frank, he's spot for his kind. Yeah. Okay. I mean at one point she says, let's make America's safe again. It's like grown. Didn't didn't the the writer of the show say that all the superheroes were inherently MAGA. Yeah. I believe his name is. Yeah. And he saw a tweet from the show though. It was actually when I read like an hour before this he said that people shouldn't be like conditioned through the MCU because he referenced how that their control of a cinema for so long that someone's always going to be there to save you. He said there's a bad message is like I don't even know where to begin. It's like so you like of all the things to take away from each of the MCU movies which by the way plenty of them are shit like messaging wise like oh thank goodness someone will always be there to save us like I don't I don't even cross my mind really was not about that. That's for sure. Loads of them on about that like the role individual character studies for the most part. I think I believe I believe his main point was that all superhero comics are inherently. What's that F word. That fast fastest something like oh my God. He said so and like something I don't know I forget but it was dumb. Yeah he's got a bit of like I think I saw loads of people arguing with them on Twitter though he was saying like all the heroes are usually stand up for the like they're usually nationalistic or whatever and people like pissed that he would even I think you think he may have mentioned Superman and people getting really angry that Superman was considered like a MAGA type superhero. Because I think if you're very into the comics you'll have plenty of citations for exactly what the values are for each of these characters. And to lump them in as a group of superheroes that's just what superheroes do it's like oh careful. But the thing is it's a combo it like combos in with with a lot of anti sort of MCU or just superhero sentiment lately like in terms of film there's lots of that but like I think that comment went a bit too far for a lot of people. Oh yeah and of course people would want to cite Black Panther I doubt he'd have the courage to say that about Black Panther publicly. I mean their entire spiel was isolationist. Well that's the funny part right he's probably the most applicable at least in the first half of his movie before he opens up the borders and stuff. He admitted Black Panther was kind of fascistic. Oh my God. Well maybe then maybe you went through it. I wonder what does that word mean anything anymore or not sure. Okay so moving on we've got the intro to the deep in a bar and he's being a drunk he's being belligerent he's asked to leave that about sums up his entire season arc. Yeah pretty much what a wasted character. I don't even know how much we're going to be commented on the deep I might just skip the deep scenes and we can just talk about it as a whole now so that I can't remember which writer or if it was a showrunner said in a comment that like he's supposed to be making fun of different things that happen to like high high tier celebrities and he was like season one was like the disgraced sexual offender sort of thing and season two is the recovery in like a form of a church and the people picking Scientology as what it's satirizing a mistaken because it's just a combo of basically all faiths of any kind and the sort of the corporatism that gets involved with it and that it's all for naught and that's really funny because the deep sucks. Yeah. This is like OK that which is funny because I know several people who are really invested in the deep. I don't know if they realize some of their fans actually liked him. Yeah. This is why I was curious. I mean I was curious like what are they going to do the deep we know what's going to happen. Is he going to have like this redemption going on is something but actually he's just nothing happens. Yeah I thought they were going to have some kind of a redemption arc or at least like an attempt or something but the show is too cynical to give him anybody that. Yeah I think so people that's the thing with this show everybody in the seven is awful except for Starlight. Well she's a murderer and now she's a murderer so the scene where he's like I don't know what you would call it but when the girl he's with is like putting it in season one just putting her fingers in his gills and he's like finds it horrible. I thought that the point with that was to try and make him feel like oh my God I'm on the other side of this now and that's that was yeah yeah yeah so you like us so we're going to get a sense from him that he's like what I had done was wrong the way I was operating was wrong and it's time to build myself back up and I actually think that that's like that. That's what I thought was going to happen when we watched it but that scene just ends and no he's beyond redemption that's we spend time with him talking to Patton Oswald for some reason. Yeah it's so weird. You think about the scene where that woman is super insistent with him and it seems like the this perfect sort of setup of you know the shoving on the other foot. But they just drop it and that scene ends and nothing happens and I just want to have the jokes like I said I guess I guess that scene was instead. It was this is a woman who gets turned on by his gills. I guess so yeah so that was that was it. Well it certainly didn't know there's no I don't think any consistent through line on him like trying to make up for the sexual harassment he's done in his life. It doesn't seem to be and even if they were on the surface I don't think any of us would have gotten that from him as a character. I don't think we've had what we need to really give us interaction that he feels like oh my God like my life what have I been doing what have I done sort of thing. I mean he did bring that up when when they killed the whale and he ended up talking to Starla yeah but it's hard to tell how sincere it is. Yeah yeah well I don't know it did it seemed it seemed at least somewhat sincere to me that he was going to try to make it up but I think the the main motivation for him at that point and even continuing on was not necessarily about being redeemed but about getting back into the seven and the way to get back in the seven is to be redeemed and for a reference by the way like the I think that there's pieces that they could easily have formed up for Larkin but they weren't interested in doing that and again that's not that isn't actually me being critical of it it's me stating that their goal was to make a joke out of him in both season one and two we're supposed to be laughing at his misfortunes like I don't like I never laughed at any of that funny. I found it really weird and confusing sad and awkward. Yeah the only thing that I thought was even worth a chuckle was the fresco stuff like I would get like a little little I was about to ask what the point of the fresco was so they actually explained what it was they said okay so Eagle needs to offer a drink to the deep but what is he going to offer them they don't want to offer alcohol or anything and then someone just says well how about a fresco and they thought it was funny and they just made it into a running joke throughout the entire show but what's the joke the joke is that it's like a it's like a weird drink they like that nope that only weird people would drink basically it's basically I've never heard of fresco so I totally lost that was actually it was it was it supposed to I thought it was going to be like an allegory for like drinking the Kool-Aid or something actually like the thing they used to convert people because it's something in it you know it was it was just a running joke that they thought was that was that they thought was stupid and they thought they wanted to keep included well I mean it is pretty stupid because it amounts to nothing part of me thought it was like product placement oh yeah that too yeah I was actually asking as well as like is this even a real thing because I had no idea but apparently fresco is real I think I don't know oh yeah um yeah I wouldn't categorize of almost anything to do with the deep is like a contradictive or even really contrived just just kind of you know didn't work for me that's I don't I think a lot of people felt that way that seemed to be the main sentiment it was a well a waste of time for the most part the joke quality and frequency was probably not worthwhile for an arc that was apparently supposed to be very very funny yeah I keep getting told that it's supposed to be funny but none of it was funny well I know that I laughed I know the patent Oswald scene lasted like 10 minutes longer than it should have yeah that would have yeah I was they did it twice too yeah that's actually that's another that's another complaint I have about this show is they repeat scenes again and again like whenever you have a new scene or a new chapter or something I'm sure you guys already know this but you're supposed to advance the plot in some way or another and they they have a lot of repeat scenes where nothing actually gets advanced like we had a whole bunch of interactions between Starlight and a train where they don't trust each other he thinks he's hiding something blah blah blah and then they do it again and they do it again they had that same scene essentially three times in one episode and it's like why like I don't understand why you keep doing this and there was other ones too I forget what they are off the top my head but like the patent Oswald Gil scene they could have done that all in one go they didn't have to have multiple scenes for that I mean I just I do wonder like is it they just hope it they sort of running on the the shock values like the gills are speaking to him and maybe it does work for some people just being like oh my god that's so absurd and the joke being that he spends that long getting over it and gaining confidence just for homeland to be like they're disgusting it's like that was that's the payoff you know that's the part where we go the deep listen to 10 minutes of patent Oswald to get there and it's not worth it well I mean I I don't know why they didn't actually take it more seriously that that because you know for anyone to say like are they didn't because it satire or whatever like this plenty of dramatic moments in this show there's lots of them this show is a drama I would say but would you say it's like an even split for drama comedy or do you call it something else I'd say it's a juvenile drama I mean yeah it's trying to be funny but for just to just to give an example but you're like trying to cradle his wife as she's bleeding to death it's like yeah that's nobody's gonna be like well it's supposed to be funny like no that's of course the goal is to create an established stakes and then have drama dramatic payoffs I mean the big payoff for the season like the there's drama until they decide that you don't want to transition into jokes so I'd say it's more drama than comedy yeah I would say it's a drama bedrock with comedy from yeah just my view I guess so yeah we could probably just keep moving we find out that the boys are now in like an undercover place posing as like an electronic store or something I can't quite remember the specific one or comic store or trade in store I think it is you just trade stuff I'm not relevant really yeah and Huey's is leaving under the the guys are picking up some aloe vera I think it is and he meets up with with starlight which funnily enough this is the best example of their meeting in the entire season and it's still something I take issue with yeah so they established they have been a phones that they they like never you again that she goes to the subway which you can't track superhero chips in the subway apparently that sounds like a bit of a concern I yeah I think it actually it does kind of make sense though I'm okay with like if it's the material interfering just like it did in season one like I get it it's just that she's the dodgy one in the seven so you might want to have someone tailing her I feel if you if you were vote but then of course that assumes vote is competent which I wouldn't want to do that let's me establishing them out of character shouldn't be doing that but I was I was relatively happy with with the amount of effort they put into this particular meeting but then they speak really loudly in a train with loads of people about how this is really sensitive and how they have to be really careful and I was just like can you I don't know the real little running thing in the show is the discussion of extremely important private information in public places or in front of random people and yeah like if either of them which is funny by the way since both sides mother's milk is very like paranoid about Huey and of course he gets really pissed off when he finds out he's actually been contacting her because I guess that was like a worry he had but then she's got all of vote and the potential of home lander like if if ever he decides to follow her any day in each of these episodes it seems like it would have paid off for him. I mean not to mention the fact that she's one of the most recognizable people on the planet. He's a wanted criminal in that city. If people like if you have like all these like paparazzi and other people taking pictures of you know like Celine Dion when she's out grocery shop and I would think that people would recognize people stalking her. Yeah. I just remembered like why are they still why are the boys still in New York? Why would they stay in New York? Why wouldn't they leave? Yeah just to clarify they've chosen that they don't even want to they don't even want to pursue killing superheroes anymore. They want they they like so it's just I guess that they they were like everything they had city where they live apparently like friends or Frenchie or whatever that they managed to get in there and it's just like okay. So yeah they're coming up with a new plan. We discover that the wider context is they're looking for someone who works with compound V and is someone they can blackmail and they find a target and they give it to her and it's someone she used to know from like Bible camp or studies or something that they do each other when they were younger and of course the scene establishes that here in Huey have a have a wonky relationship things aren't going too great and there's just this awkward line where this is obviously not the first time they spoken this might even be several times after the first time because of this whole plan coming to fruition but she's like I can't what he says I wish I had the line but she's like you lied to me throughout our entire relationship back then that is still an issue now like it's delivered away this like we would of course know it he would know it she would know it but but it needs to be said in case anyone's missed it that's that is their issue I don't know if that's ever explicitly dealt with like she can trust you again rather than they just go on that road trip and it seems to fix everything for the most part this is stuff I would know if I know rewatch it no it is so when they was it they go on the road trip I think or there's another part where where he's hiding something from her and she's like you know she knows that he's fine I forget what it's about or the specifics of it but she knows it's lying and he's like nope nope nothing to tell you yeah and they show close-ups of both of them because it's clear that she can figure it out I can't remember what I was about either maybe chat will have wasn't that at the same time when butch did the deal with Edgar and he didn't like for some reason he didn't want to do the whole compound V reveal even though she has the test tubes it was about that's right it was about Kimiko's brother when they he found out about the the supervillain on the dock but he didn't tell her about it that's what it was pretty much all of these in nitpick so far yeah that's okay we're we're just doing satire so it's all good yeah you're not supposed to take EFAP seriously guys geez so moving on it's established that all of our characters wanted pretty hardcore this is I don't know why I'm mentioning this because it's not relevant for the rest of the season they of course can walk around willy-nilly all the time it doesn't seem to cause them any trouble and then they're not wanted by the end of the season we're gonna get to all that shit it's fucking absurd and we reintroduced to homelander properly he's he's missing still well not happy he's drinking her milk I guess bridge frozen it's but yeah but weird but I suppose in character that's fine and then we moved forward to when they have an introduction for the potential of a new superhero of the seven it's kind of kind of like a daredevil knockoff he's daredevil yeah he's blind but he has heightened senses and he seems to be pretty pretty accurate and excited and he's a fan of homelander and homelander blows open both of his eardrums I guess with blood actually boring blood actually coming out in the floor yeah it does not stop it doesn't stop well it would be it's like man but that much to come out that quickly like I'll try and show it now so people can see and it's not gonna get paid millions of dollars for life to keep that one quiet so I'm a lot of people I hit a lot of people saying they love this part we were like what the fuck like what it's like where to begin so homelanders whole thing is image and he puts a lot of effort into coming across as like Superman but there are times where of course he would he shows his true colors and some of the favorite moments people have for the show when he gets angry and his eyes go red and you're just like oh shit because it's just an interesting little concept in the first place because we're so used to the wholesome Superman um so he just did this to someone who's like a big fan of him who's gonna have to be paid off to stay silent just like they established in season one is a thing that they do at vort and for no other reason than homelanders saying like he can be hurt and it's like me and I think the other reason actually is oh you're talking about the fact that he wants to be the person who okays the members he sees the seven as his but he still could what's that he still could like he literally denies the person getting into the seven when he could have just said like yeah okay I approve this one and it's just gonna it can cause him so many issues but he's just like I'm annoyed the this is this is gonna be the first of many examples of homelander being incredibly petulant in this season it's the point of destroying his own reputation very easily if he's not careful the point was showing Ashley that he's in charge he could have done that oh what a way wow what a fucking way to try and do that that creates so many more problems than it solves wow well of all the ways to do that bro this is the way to do it the problem is um I I feel like the show forgets that homelander was always demonstrated to be pretty calculating and cunning like he would do ruthless things but it was always in advancing a goal like um like this fucking move was right he abandons the plane and then uses it as leverage but slapping somebody's ear balls to explode just because you're mad like there's not a lot of utility to that in fact and he's not even mad at him he's mad at Ashley yeah yeah the guy didn't do anything but not to imply that homelander has some kind of moral code outside of rescuing babies from butcher of course that's something that he does um the already she's already scared shuttles of him anyways yeah and he's like she's not even the person to talk to about this he has to go up to edgars it's just like a weird it's a weird scene to me what knows that he killed still well they have to if they covered it up right or yeah that's right they don't scratch that one but man I kind of forgot how big that pool gets the idea that yeah this guy is basically dead that's his brain blood brain potentially I can't be sure like this creates so many issues this guy who knows what this guy is going to go off and do this guy clearly a thing he's got his own gym he's being he's he's well known enough that they might you know that I wanted to invite him into the seven yeah like this guy's a thing he's got a costume and outfit in the name he's got his gym set up like this guy's an important figure people are gonna wonder like what happened to him where to go probably has a family family has a bunch of adoring fans once you have people who care about him they're gonna be like dude what the hell happened to you and so they've got to pay him off and I'm assuming that's I that's what they had to do and at that point she's like homelander remember that speech you gave to the seven in season one we told them how they're all fucking up you're fucking up dude pretty big time actually you're doing this isn't even in favor of some other goal this is just you being fucking stupid because you could argue that it was in favor of the goal but there's there's more than one way to achieve what he was trying to achieve one of them being just go and talk to Edgar like straight away so when he does have his conversation with Edgar he doesn't use any kind of physical intimidation instead I mean that thing doesn't work at all but you know but it's still it's still still makes the the point that he knows how to to to resolve things without just you know using the the super strength and violence and stuff like he can try to yeah to control and manipulate others using his intelligence and for whatever reason he just chooses not to a lot of people saying he's dead he's not alive it'd be nothing to cover up outside of just making his well what oh okay it's just that he doesn't make a problem it still you still it was funny so it's fine wasn't funny because I just found a baffling there's this so next we find out about the the guy who can regrow his limbs is on the side paying people well people pay him to let them chop parts of him off and and starlight manages to catch him doing it I guess we just have to assume that like they did enough surveillance and they had an access to enough things they eventually found out about this and so they've got that on him and then the boys like I said have mostly decided that they're not going to get involved with soups anymore but someone comes in who's got this major wound and it's and they're speaking a different language and the word soup is said and it's it's that a soup did it to them and so the boys like ooh night away to get them back on the trail and they see a recording at the place where this happened of a soup get an offer like like a ship who's been smuggled in and he picks the whole ship up with telekinesis and slams it against a dude like oh geez we're dealing with a potential soup nightmare and obviously it's like a moment for them to be like maybe we shouldn't quite give up on this whole thing yet I think it's some of them to think about anyway but then we got problems immediately because I suppose we could say this is jumping ahead a little bit but I don't think so the that's Kimiko's brother and she knows this and she does fuck all to tell them this until it's way too late well she tries to but I like no like it's most well like the show is let me let me rephrase that the show tries to make it appear that Kimiko is attempting to tell them but she does it in the most like minimal way possible like she spends about three seconds trying to tell Frenchie then gets frustrated and storms off like you would assume that something of that importance she would try to be a little more convincing oh I think you'd assume in general that they would have already have developed a better system of communicating with well let's let's do this from the beginning right so what does she have access to she has a native language presumably but she's mute she can understand English perfectly spoken she has no idea how to write English that is her repertoire also she hasn't made a sign language that she's refusing to teach Frenchie I'm gonna allow that because it's not the important part so she let's say for example that I can speak English just fine but I can't understand any of it how it's written whatsoever I've never touched a pen or seen anything written so if I write down a word that I think is translating brother to Fringy and he reads it out as boy then I need I can understand what I've written to him now I can be like ah so I've just told you boy that's actually not even remotely useful really so I've got to keep trying instead she just walks off when this is incredibly important information when she knows that the group are trying to tranquilize her brother and give him a way to visit the CIA or the FBI yes they can get cleared so she should be and for all she knows this is a fight that her brother or her friends could get hurt because they don't know they're on the same team so her attempts to do this a pathetic like staggeringly pathetic and it's completely out of character because she would of course even the stupidest of people can draw or point to an image represents family or as I said on the stream with rags you point to the security footage and then you point to your own heart and then you have the people go what what do you is that do you know this person then you nod then you go who will oh shit that already changes everything just point point to your ring finger that would be enough but I mean if they would assume yeah either way well yeah that's the thing that would still get the same point across that this is a special person to her yeah but besides she has a native language you can just Google what the word for a native language for the word brother is in English and then just point to that she could just write out the word in the native language on a piece of paper and give it to them and they could use their phone and be like oh yeah that means okay so yeah that's incredibly stupid and it was really hard for us to watch episode what add to where we were all try to figure out what exactly her language abilities are and by the end of the season we were like yep so that was really fucking dumb mm-hmm sorry I was just gonna say another thing is her even finding the little piece of origami anyways like the dude picked up a ship and slammed it into the dock and there's pieces of debris everywhere and like the one little thing that happened to be like away from the debris is the is the single piece of origami that she would recognize seems bit of a stretch also yeah she's choosing not to speak which arguably makes this even worse it's like maybe speak to save your brother I don't know someone someone said siblings can't marry rags like so the point that I'm trying to make that everyone else understood was that if you point to your ring finger and then you point at somebody else pretty much everybody will be like oh shit are like you to engage to you which yeah this person's important and if it turns out no this was my brother I just had to get the idea across that's fine but if you're trying to save someone's life that kind of a difference isn't going to matter yeah all she has to do is establish she's important that to I mean I don't really want to say much about this but for some reason the label super villain tests better with with a selection of all the members of the terrorists yeah what we were just like why wouldn't why super villain sounds cartoony but I don't know let's just say I don't really care about that point that much I just thought it was dumb I guess it was their attempt to go back to look the superheroes are still corporate and they're going yeah thingies I was like no I want my thing though this will just skip deep scenes yeah just skip them there's nothing really to say about them honestly I mean like I'm curious about them in the third season mostly from a meta perspective of what the writers plan on doing with them because the character I don't give a shit about I'm just I'm curious what their plan will be for the show and what they're what he's going to be for the show so yeah I was sorry if I can interject going back to the whole super terrorist super villain thing remember that they have like this massive library of movies and fictional comics and content based on the seven you would have to assume that they would already be using the term super villain as to describe the opponents in those movies so they're they're acting like it's like it was just created out of thin air at that very moment when pretty much everyone would already be familiar I thought they would have come up with a label well before then like that was sticking I feel like the public would have done it by now had they not well if the whole it fought its whole point was to engineer the super terrorists so that their super heroes could be utilized against them to fight you think they would have had a name ready to pick out they didn't though I was home lander's plan was to create the super villains and he's the one who wants to push super villain oh I got you I got you here I got you right you're right you're right so who do they use villains in the movies then that's actually another the in the show it's just people that home lander got a train and everything to yeah whoever he ended up popping up yeah and then yeah so it's revealed that you he's been talking to starlight and mms very very pissed at him and there's like there's a consistent thing throughout season of Huey being sort of beaten down and not being able to stand up for himself and by the end of the season he says I am not gonna I'm not gonna just attach myself to other things I am now going to join this other group of people because that is really striking out yeah the Huey I'm gonna stand on my own two feet by working for a different organization if what's weird is that and we're sort of skippin to the end but the the justification he gives is that he wants to fight Vaught the right way though you would think that after everything Huey has seen up to this point the last people that he would have any kind of faith and confidence in would be governmental bodies to try and stop Vaught the right way with how little that's worked yeah I think that's a fair point because the boys are carrying on to by that finale it's like huh they get their own he was attached to them he was like I thought the whole point was that he was the unassuming useful member he even makes a point about how that could be the case but I guess the season is trying to argue like no actually he's kind of just there I find it weird that he doesn't say any value in this group though yeah that's odd yeah they'd be like you're the only family that I've ever really had you believed in me in ways my parents never did or you know you were you people came to my you know rescue and you helped me when you needed it wait oh what's her name grace or not Greg she at the end she creates a group or a group that has been created to specifically monitor and keep the superheroes in check like it is a organization already exists yeah so but the thing is wouldn't Huey like that would be the the single most impactful way of keeping them in check by I don't think so no if anything Huey should be incredibly disillusioned by the inefficacy of the quote-unquote proper channels to keep Vaught and the superheroes in check with how much they basically don't do anything how Vaught's allowed to continuously get away with things how they get allowed to have power if anything I would expect Huey to at the end of the season completely and totally believe that as much as he doesn't like it the only way that he's going to actually be able to affect and change things is to be you know underhanded and you know have these espionage level tactics well that's what they did earlier like grace grace mother's milk butcher and Frenchy they were that's what they did like they got dirt on these the superheroes and stuff like that they were they seemed official right that's that's what they yeah that's what they did with like lamp lighter and some of the others it goes more into it in the comics but regardless they were kind of like it was kind of like a like a black-on-black type group within the government that didn't really answer to anyone they just kind of got funding and did their own thing in order to keep the superheroes in check the reason why it stopped was because lamp lighter killed Grace's family and she bailed and the whole thing just kind of collapsed but at the end of the season it's been put back together and she's in charge of again and she wants butcher to go and be a part of it once more I still think we would choose that more than he would choose joining up with like a person running for Congress against what it seems like a weird because it comes out of nowhere it is weird he just like shows up at this office is like this is what I want to do oh okay and it's not very fleshed out like he just has a couple of sort of beats where it's just reestablished that he's he's kind of like not that suitable for the boys even though he totally is yeah and in this scene is right after we learned that what's her face that a was he looking chick the head exploiter lady after she's revealed to be the head exploiter lady now you have you know argue the arguably the protagonist of the show now working right underneath her in her office it's supposed to be like a oh kind of thing and I think that's the only reason that they did it at all yeah it's supposed to this as a hook for season three it's like oh how's that going to go because he's probably he's going to get access to something at some point that will change the plotline which we'll have to see when that happens and then I guess all right go ahead well I was just going to introduce like how the other episode goes so I was about to yeah I was about to say that this we have the first about like 10 dozen blackmailing scenes in this season yeah they do it a lot and there's never any leverage like they have leverage but they don't pretty much every single time to different yeah you're right to different degrees of success each of these blackmail situations go into different like levels of stupid they are the one for this one that is just so funny to me is she's like I'm going to show people that you've been you know moonlighting or whatever it's like yeah that could be bad for him I guess and maybe vault would fire him but versus company sabotage and it could also make you use your job and the whole corporation falls apart like I don't understand how this could possibly match up and even says to it which I don't know why they included well actually I can speculate on that in a second he says like if you make me do this again I'm just going to tell everybody what you do it walks off it's like oh maybe you should have said that the first time like why is it that you're willing to do one but not any more than one like it's interesting and it's because of course they want to limit how many starlight has access to that one is very important which is the scene between her and a train is makes it more stressful and and I I guess why you're saying that I was thinking that about about the Huey thing is like you would think if if he was with the boys this whole time doing all the stuff that they did and it was under the table then at the end of the season when they get like government assistance basically in their own office and supplies and stuff and they're more official you think that would be more reason for him to stick around with them because it's quote-unquote the writer channels now well again I think if you ask me which group Huey would join up with it would be the boys v2 well yeah undoubtedly at a minimum it's going to be semi-official and it's going to be well-financed so you know you don't have to live underneath the pawn shop anymore yeah and just they also they would also get protections yeah they would get a special yeah it's not like it's a public group that's you know working for you know some you know congress and whatnot right like this is like a black-on-black type organization where you know there's a line somewhere in the congressional budget that just allocates you a couple million dollars for a hammer and it goes to this group like that's that's the kind of thing that they're doing and you know not only that but you also have the protection of like you're not going to show up on wanted posters or anything like that anymore like if something all of the problems you had exactly they're going to go away on exactly yeah but he's like nah I mean you know it's you yeah they get to be called Judy black ops and he decides like nah I don't want to be I want to work for a politician who I barely know I want to go door knocking and and hand out flyers to fight Vaught he was really stressed when he was with the boys you guys just not remembering that what he was in the whale everybody was stressed out in the whale that's that's it see you can't handle being with the boys anymore and so when the season makes it explicit that he's choosing not to attach himself to people rather than I can't deal with the sort of the different excursions we end up on I'm not mentally equipped to do it that that might have been an interesting arc but that's not the one that the season purports it's it's the if you remember he just he's just not doing his own thing he's not standing on his two feet I think is the quote that he says right yeah so thank goodness by the end he does by affixing him yeah by affixing himself yeah it's really good stuff to an even larger or more public more amorphous better organization for working for a politician as far as we know he barely even knows exist but okay and yeah and so of course the fast-forwarding again but the blackmail scene that is the first of what I want to I want to conservatively guess seven black males in the season I think that there may well be a blackmail in every episode of this season they're all done but we're going to get to them because my god some of them I mean the last one man really takes the cake the last one oh yeah maybe it makes no sense at all but we'll get to that so we introduce Stormfront and yeah I'm telling myself on a phone and she's in the seven but they didn't tell homeland like because they didn't think that would cause any problems at all yeah which is weird by the way without him going nuts and killing daredevil like not with standing it's weird that you wouldn't tell the boss of the seven who's coming you might want to just yeah then Gus says like well I make the decisions it's like whether or not you make the decision you may tell me still work want to tell him first why wouldn't you what what do you lose by telling homelander we've got a new member I don't understand well yeah because I didn't tell him and they didn't tell me clearly either nobody knew she just sort of rocked up on didn't even even the assistant didn't know no she didn't know and she's like terrified and this is all being this is where we started really having trouble when we were watching this we were like okay you can't have homelander looking unhinged with his assistant looking terrified with this new hero being like hey everything so great woohoo but at the same time Stormfront saying like do you really think this place isn't real do you really think storm for the maven homelander would want to get anywhere near like the grunt so she makes some kind of disparaging comment while streaming it to the world 1.8 million people like what do you what is what is already happening this is the first of many chat okay so calm down but vote allow Stormfront to shit all over them throughout the whole season and they have one throwaway line to explain it and it is laughable and that's in the last episode I don't even remember what was the throwaway line that she makes people angry and anger drives up the stocks oh we're just funny right you can make people angry without undermining your entire ad marketing campaign yeah with the front line superhero for your corporation about superheroes shitting on you is going to raise your stocks I don't see how that makes any sense at all yeah and in the first season such a this is part of what we liked about the first season was how incredibly corporate Vought was in terms of everything that they did and that seems to be just like disappear it seems to be just missing from the second season it's nowhere to be seen they just inexplicably don't do that anymore in a lot of the places that they clearly should be doing it it's really frustrating because throughout the whole season for it has become astoundingly incompetent like yeah they might as well not even exist anymore with how much of a minimal presence they have and the fact that they take no steps to prevent any of the bad things that happen from happening and remember in the first season that every one of the seven was like busy pretty much all day that like date date date appointments whatever and then the second season and it just goes on a road trip with the other guys and no one gives a shit from yeah in the second season there's no there's there's basically no scenes of the heroes doing hero work like there's only a couple and each of them is homelander fucking up big time yeah that's all we get like we get a scene where homelander shoots a laser through somebody and kills like a teenager and then a scene where he crushes some dude's head what how are you gonna cover that one up with a bulletproof man decides to kill a man who just has a gun what the hell they did this in the first season yeah there's no excuse to kill the criminal you he cannot hurt you it is not possible for him to hurt you you have no justification yet slowly punch his heart out of his chest like don't don't assume from everything you're hearing from us that the boys season one is some kind of untouchable masterpiece okay it's not yeah it's five out of ten but we still like it still like well we still liked I say liked season two it was the end of episode two that we stopped there are things to like yeah I like I like homelander I definitely like Anthony Starr as the actor I don't like homelander so much anymore but I like the idea of homelander and I definitely like Carl Urban as Billy Butcher like characters that's why it's frustrating though because feels like being wasted it does feel wasted yeah I agree that you feel like there's a lot of what great idea you know like what a great idea and it's just being squandered so yeah what's next yeah I guess the big payoff we move to oh no that explosion yeah our our contact with was she the deputy director she was the deputy director of the CIA yes she apparently had managed to piece together that AOC was behind it all maybe an AOC killed it before she could get that information out yeah and apparently no one else do this yeah I'm curious if she was able to piece together from one extra bit of information for the boys that I wonder what kind of files she may have or what are the people were involved I don't know either way does that mean AOC was following her around I guess she had to be close by she's got if we're to believe that she works with Vaught which is very very likely then she's got the power of all behind it so right point out that when you are that high into management you don't do any of that by yourself and that you have like all these little minions so there would be possibly a few or dozens of agents that would have all of this information that would be compiling it and giving it to her it's not like someone that high up is going to go out like by herself and and start like snooping around like that's not imagine if she are imagine if she was wearing like a microphone game over for this lots of words this could go wrong but let's assume it all went the exact way AOC would have preferred we're going to call that's a karma what her name is and a lot of so many people Korean Newman Victorian Newman that's her name well loads of people call her as well and I thought it was funny because she kind of I could see how that that's the comparison so of course her plan is to blow up her so that knowing she can't reveal that but at the same time vote and AOC want to create carnage on both sides in order to to get the government to want to buy out votes or buy compound V and start supplying it to the populace to more enforcement yeah I don't even know if we should wait until the last episode to talk about that but that's that's that was mind blowing that that was the overall plan for vote because because of course Gus in I think the first episode says we're a we're a pharmaceutical focused company that's our goal is to make money through pharmaceuticals they want to sell compound V as much as they can is five million a pop they say that is a shit ton of money they're gonna be able to make astoundingly cheap well that's that too that too it's it's it blows provide it to all several ways at once but um so the way to do it is to create a lot of fear about the super terrorists and at the same time at the same time creating potentially super terrorist and fuck with both sides to make it look like vote isn't the one that's doing it and like I don't know why you'd need super terrorists to sell compound V I don't know why you need to leave the boys alive yeah like just if you if your goal was to sell that stuff to just whoever could buy it and damn the consequences I guess I guess getting the government to buy it is like the best source of money right for such a an effective corporation it's weird that you would give away effectively the one product that is making you billions of dollars through like marketing and advertising and merchandise and military contracts if you give it away you no longer have the seven is not a thing anymore you can't make money off of that because it doesn't matter if there's like 10 million superheroes you've destroyed your business but the show thinks that it actually would save the business well that's what the I don't get want to convert their business from what it is to pharmaceuticals they just for some reason surely if you sell that much compound V eventually people gonna replicate it or some shit oh yeah people will figure it out of course it's a sci-fi juice but it was synthesized what in like did they say the 60s was the first time they did well if Stormfront was made in the 1930s like 40s or something or the 50s yeah I guess it's been like 70 years so yeah because they're already as season two begins they have deals with the military already it's just it's just an interesting decision that they're making with the pharmaceutical thing but we can get more into that when we hit the last episode for now it's just aOC blows up here but she leaves the boys alive presumably live because the boys are a thorn in the soup side and she wants to create some more chaos there but I don't I would just consider them that they're not really that useful they could easily turn on you especially when the conversation they were having with this woman was about how there's a coup happening in vort so like you you'd think they would be a little too dangerous to left alive but fuck it she does I'm sure that's not going to bite her in the ass as time goes on I don't think I don't think she's I'm not convinced that she's actually working with what I am I am I think that has to be it and I've seen people point out that um and I people are saying this is clever I don't really think it's very clever at all where I'm in the scene where deputy director CIA head blows up they're driving away and I think mms like who did that French he says I don't know and then in the next scene it cuts to a Gus watching AOC on TV and that's meant to be like oh that's a clue and it's like well it's not a clue I have no reason to assume that this person is blowing up people's heads but yeah that's the heavily we don't know is that the first time we even see you it is the first time that's I think that's why people think that's clever thing is foreshadowing okay foreshadowing doesn't have to be explicit beyond just an implication I I guess I ultimately like if Fort decided like we would like to sell compound V like surely the government would just buy into that straightaway anyway or they'd say no will prevent them from being able to sell it whatsoever but at that point you'd think there'd be more trouble than just selling it as in like they'd be problems with the superheroes in general and of course I don't see why the government wouldn't create a relationship there yeah well I do think that Vaught would be aware of of AOC having powers because remember you have to get the dosages as a kid and you know a couple decades ago when she got the dosage it would have been a heavily controlled still highly secret and they would have known because do you look at like Maeve's parents and Starlight's parents and all that like they they opted into it so I think Vaught would be well aware that AOC got one of the doses right but maybe I don't know maybe I don't know I'm still not entirely convinced that she's working with them maybe they will try to manipulate her at some point or and maybe that will generate conflict it just seems like she's not really doing stuff for Vaught she's doing stuff for herself I think that they're going to try to position because she's running for a reelection I think they're going to try to position her where like she's going to be the next you know president kind of thing like I think that's well here's here's my concern right so like I don't believe that Vaught if she has superpowers I mean she's had compound V and I don't believe that Vaught is unaware of that for anybody I believe that they would know every single person in the world including the super terrorists who are actually injected with it and if they know that she has the power to blow people's heads up I can't believe that they wouldn't have her on their side or killer like barring that well a train gave it just just spilled it out to other countries right through Homelander I really do know but like so the question then becomes that if he's been doing that she got it what injected herself with it to get the power to blow up people's heads and then go from there like is that is that actually kind of yeah I guess she she just she I don't know what her history is maybe they'll do that in season three but remember remember also that the powers are unpredictable so just because you get a dosage doesn't mean that they Vaught is going to know what powers you're going to get also there doesn't really seem to be any outward like outward kind of what do you call it show basically of one she uses her powers like yeah her eyes change color but who cares like it's not like you know Homelander flying up in the air and using laser eyes right or Stormfront using that like Victoria can just make head people's heads pop by just kind of like thinking about it and then and even the other character what's her face Cindy like she has to use her hands and motions and stuff in order to actually make stuff happen but AOC just kind of does it so they might be aware of her having a compound V which I think they would but they might not be aware of what her powers are or any of that I mean they could of course come to the conclusion that what I meant was like regardless of what her power is if they know that she has compound V they're either going to try and recruit or kill her that's all I could ever see being the thing for Vaught I don't see why they just let her continue to exist without trying to do any but then again they let Homelander visit the Sun despite the fact that he's meant to be a contingency for Homelander and don't do anything to stop him so well see Fringy I know that everyone's going to want to jump to defenses of Vaught on that one in terms of like master plans and stuff but they literally say hopefully he gets bored yeah fucking that might be the stupidest line the entire fucking show I couldn't believe they said hopefully he gets bored so after that is the scene where Homelander and Gus both vying for like you know alpha position but I guess neither of them they have it well it's weird all the leverage doesn't ever yeah Homelander literally holds all of the cards and the reason that he's I guess you could call figuratively beaten is because Gus says you're not our main asset but that was never like a who cares like a God in the room with you right now and how am I gonna destroy the company could destroy every he could destroy earth potentially I'm not sure exactly how you could do it but I don't know it's fly through the core speed of sound that probably would fuck it up I mean he can survive nukes apparently because I'm a nuke I guess he could survive maybe you know whatever either way I found it a really odd scene and then when Homelander leaves they do this they do this thing they do it throughout the season with many characters you know the shell shock effect where they like it's zoomed in sometimes it's blurry sometimes the camera rocks and they just play like a tinny sound they do it a lot and for this one it's obviously the Homelander is very stressed out because he's just been like shown up where he was looking to have complete control of all but much like the blackmail scenes we were just like um why why would this be like complete control I don't really like I don't see why Homelander wouldn't still have all the leverage considering could destroy earth I don't see why that isn't used because of course he uses it against Maeve in the finale but he doesn't use it against Edgar for some reason yeah he uses it against Maeve despite the fact that he could immediately fly through her and then problem solved but we'll get to that I guess yeah well you know episode one might be you know the best of the season so oh this is it yeah they're all recovering and of course things are getting spicy and she's like don't lie to me Huey on the phone and and he clearly does and why is butcher comes back and that's what we close out with yeah and we guess we just moved straight onto episode two yeah no reason not because we got a lot to get through so we'll just keep going yeah because again went up to the really bad stuff yet we're getting there it gets worse so yeah butcher we get a just a little flashback where he was he was dropped off by Homelander and he immediately tries to remember the place that he saw his wife and it's funny because he's he finds out through a coincidental news report I guess that he's now a wanted criminal and the person talking to him is like oh my god you're the guy on the TV and he's like what happens to play the thing that he needs to hear at the one time he happens to be by that TV the rest of the season not a single person on the planet recognizes so much worse they clearly gave up at some point and then and then we have the scene where they establish what episode two is about which is I'm I'm butcher I'm the leader you're not that's so transparent it gets solidified in the in the ending drama which oh my god I'm looking forward to us getting to because that's some great tism so I gotta I got it on screen here this is Kimiko's attempt to prove to the other teams that hey that's my brother she wrote boy girl boy girl boy girl boy girl boy good job so she can do boy and girl not brother and sister not family well we we've been over it all the many many many different ways she can fucking get this message across and if anyone in chat says guys she doesn't know the English language written it's like yeah please doesn't matter she have eyes that are able to interpret visual information and this is the super awkward part I mentioned earlier where Huey calls out butcher for being a fucking shit person and he's 100% right he says like yes he abandoned all of you I was one who saved it and he was like yeah I'm sorry I'm sorry I had faith in you guys to rescue yourselves which just amazing and of course they don't really because that would cause major issues as if any of these characters be able to stay on the team if they knew the butcher blew up a baby or tried I don't know they can be pretty murdery themselves I'm willing to accept that they will have limits on that one but I could be wrong I thought butcher had limits on that one so yeah so I guess we'll see so yeah this was we were so confused we got a scene of homeland I just hanging out with this kid we were like oh my god like I thought we were going to be getting like this is cataclysmic for Vought this is it's the whole plan is falling apart Godzilla is hanging out with the fucking kill switch that we designed for him like we what he's just like what are we doing and it's just like you don't get answers for that for another is it this episode where she she gets the answer it could be I think I'm just giving no it's not this one it's the one afterwards and yeah so it's just really really strange we're just like I guess this is just happening now he's just hanging with the kid which by the way is is nightmare fuel for Vought surely like having the dads influencing the kid is not really really bad to make it harder for the kid to kill Homelander that was the goal eventually possibly either way or one can argue well what Vought supposed to do it's like that's a really good question actually it just highlights how fucking stupid Vought are they don't even try to get them out of there whenever Homelander is busy with something else just take them somewhere and if you remember that is the plan in the season finale to take them somewhere else another thing to keep in mind is if they're trying to use him as like the contingency they're doing a really stupid job of it because remember until Homelander shows up Ryan doesn't even know he has powers like he never even knew it so they're making apps so Vought is making absolutely no attempt whatsoever to help Ryan gain control of his powers and to master them into a into a way where he would actually be useful against Homelander so like what are they what are they expecting he's going to do just like one day magically like I guess that they were hoping to give him as much of a wholesome normal life as possible and then get him to train powers once he's but you can you about those two aren't and con kind of I know I'm just trying to and with all the other soups like Maeve and Starlight and and the deep and all them like they all you know get their powers early and they start developing in them and they still have families and blah blah and you know different levels of success with those but again like if you're just not I don't know Homelander could break the speed of sound at like six or something right was it a break the speed of sound but this kid doesn't even know how to use any of it and it just seems like at what like at what point are they just going to say okay we have to start teaching the kid how to use his powers and it's it's really odd and I feel like we were blue-balled on all of that drama because it just amounts to Vaught being like just leave Malone you'll go away and then you literally kidnaps the kid and Vaught like hmm you guys think he was a contingency I don't know why they'd said they literally said that he was the plan that the Homelander was an attempt to make Superman and then Ryan is the real Superman because Homelander is a fucking psychopath like Vaught don't believe in Homelander everyone's fucking terrified of him well I say that that's the my dream version because I really want this show to be better but I don't know how you can't laugh at Homelander in a lot of scenes just like and I think that's what they were going for with some of the scenes like wanking over the city that was so intimidating so moving on then we get more deep scenes and then the girls get it done thing begins yeah which I liked before they did it unironically yeah remember when they used to make fun of it and then they did the thing Mahler I'm gonna send you a picture because I made this and this is applicable to the to the memes as well that we're gonna see later on this is it's kind of like a writing technique it's also done with like PR and political stuff as well where essentially essentially it's just a way of manipulating the viewer's opinion on things like you you present something that most people would agree with and then you say oh but this is attached to the worst person ever therefore it's bad you're talking about memes well they did that with memes but they also do it with the girls get it done thing because the whole the whole spiel is that you know the girl superheroes are better than the men and like that some of the the journalists and stuff are asking that and finally Stormfront just says no that's just dumb right like it doesn't matter if you're a man or woman it's it's the content of character I see what you're saying because we thought that was cool we were like hey yeah we're like this isn't interesting well I here's the thing now that I'm operating on the show with the information of what the writers think about people I think that was supposed to set up the whole idea that oh all of these people who claim to be egalitarians yeah lame that maybe gender doesn't matter and you should focus on your own merits and talents and individuals yeah they're actually well yeah because the whole Nazis can come in an appealing package sort of thing yeah so it but it which is insane yeah it sours those sentiments which I think are interesting and positive sentiments that people get it done good people get it done not and of course we can at least take the value of like the show is making fun of and everyone points this out it's the endgame moment where they say she's not alone right no that's infinity but what line is it she's got help she's got help yeah and of course every single female superhero the entirety of the MCU just shows up which is it's it's funny and stupid at the same time and of course the show makes fun of it you like yay high five and then it does it in the finale and it's like oh and a lot of people will say hey it's fine in the finale because they are women and they are superheroes you like yeah what are you saying like women and superheroes in Avengers what what okay but they all had reason to be this like no they didn't may have been teleported so yeah it amuses me that people let the show get away with it because it made fun of it and did it which I don't see how that was yeah I think it's like it's like lampshading right or lamp lamp what is that the the term for it when you highlight something stupid but then do it anyway lamp lighting nice but yeah and then Mave is like I gotta go my plotline begins it's like oh boy so make yeah I feel like Mave they had no idea what they wanted to do with it this season mm-hmm yeah what would be the summary that she's having issues with what's her name Elaine is that her name yeah basically I forgot the name completely and that's like her thing and she's afraid of Homelander and then she wants to kill Homelander and then she just decides to blackmail him and that's to prevent him from destroying everything yeah also from coming after it it's funny we're going to get to it but like the idea that Homelander would allow someone to have complete control over him literally complete like not even still well had complete control over Homelander through blackmail like and you're like yeah but you know you'll you'll you'll get fucked if I release this just like fucking blow a head off just do it yeah just laser her she also just appears in that scene too it's really good we'll get to the finale it's so good it's so well written imagine if she didn't have Wi-Fi out there she tried to upload the video oh she's like tapping the upload button come on go go go come on I mean he could have used his laser eyes to instantly melt the phone oh he could have instantly killed her immediately there's no there's no way that scene works oh we got this interesting Butcher puts a baby in between himself and armed guards in season one but you guys say he wouldn't kill a baby he knows the baby he knows the baby is super he knows they won't shoot the baby that's the point and also I've been seeing that guy for the last like hour saying how right you are about the fact that it's totally in character that Billy Butcher would kill a kid it's baffling that you would say that you'd be saying it for the last hour you are completely wrong abandon it give it up it's not an argument that you gotta win oh no you I don't know why this is such a hard thing for people to swallow when you have like protagonists that run like a righteous pathway in terms of making things better for the world but then they will actually take a few so it's sort of like in aid of me stopping a villain I will beat Fringy to death it's like ooh that's tough but like what is happening it's like oh he's in the way or he's trying to stop you or he's brainwashed by the blah blah blah all these different reasons like no he's just he's just there it's like okay that that seems strange like why because you guys haven't forgotten right blowing up the C4 will do fuck all to homelander so why only kill the baby yeah the implication is that Billy is willing to kill a child in a petulant act of defiance I don't buy that a character that's entirely focused on how he needs to avenge those who have been wronged by the soups is blowing up babies fuck off I think so he's not like trying to kill the baby or he's not trying to kill homelander he knows that like if he's alive homelander is going to I'm totally cool with saying he's killing himself too but it doesn't change the fact that he's killing a baby to do it yeah so his priority was killing killing himself but then he just didn't care that the baby was gonna get taken out as well which is bullshit that doesn't work and unfortunately I think that they may have rushed it in season one or some shit they should have written that you didn't need the baby ultimately you could have had homelander walk in and talk to him and then blow off still well said you didn't have to have the baby to prevent butcher from blowing up the C4 I'm willing to bet that the show creators and the writers like legitimately forgot about the baby until the fact that the baby holds no interest in the season whatsoever other than a throwaway oh it's fine by the way moving on makes me think that it was brought to their attention post season one like oh fuck yeah there was a baby in that room it's so absurd 17 miles away you're like okay why 17 miles 34% of 17 miles on a truck of cushions or something so I'm actually looking forward to rewatching the show to get all of the specifics on Maeve and the other girls relationship because I was under the impression that she like is done with Maeve doesn't want anything to do with her but then they're in the hospital and she's like leave me alone and then she's like by the way homeland kind of kills anyone who shows interest in me in any way which again is like you serious why are you here why did you come here why would you even come to the hospital it's like well I guess she just wanted to tell her doesn't she say something like you have to stay away we have to stay away from each other because otherwise you'll do something horrible like that's our range of it what are you doing but it changes into like she's homelander reveals it to the world and so then because we're doing the arc I guess we may as well season arc and it's used corporately as like a look lesbian LGBT except she's bi she's not gay and that causes trouble and that's something that I think was just barely any flash in terms of like commentary on how things work these days which is it's kind of I could see that from a marketing perspective it's like it's better for you to be lesbian than bi are you telling me that these mega corporations are not sincere when they change their you know you know there may be something to that I'm gonna say it so yeah and of course I think that finishes out with her in the finale with homelander so we'll come back to that I like how somebody's just pointed something out they're still talking about the baby thing oh butch a new homelander would kill the baby it's like well evidently that's not what happened homelander saved the baby from butcher I gotta keep repeating that because it's the most fucking bizarre statement that guy pointed it out though he pointed out that it's like but homelander saved the kids so neither way does it work it is a problem if you're still trying to say it's not a problem it is it's a very very big problem we went over this the reason they had homelander save the baby despite the fact by the way that if you were going to choose homelander kind of hates the baby I saw james law talking about this I thought homelander hated the baby that was the thing it's the one that stole the attention from him it perfectly lines up that homelander would let that baby suffer but he saves it because if the baby died we'd all be like wow butcher killed the baby but the thing is they're hoping you just kind of ignore the fact that he still tried it doesn't matter if he did or not that's what we're talking about it's just funny right because that's what we call guilty mind which makes it like that it was his intention he was fine with killing the baby he would have killed the baby it was an external force that saved the baby apparently the point is Billy knew that homelander was having sex with still well so maybe it's his kid and that's why he tried to blow it up that's apparently what fixes this problem no that would be then he should be super invested and interested in this baby as we learn from how he behaves when he finds out he has a son so I'm confused about this one and again I need to watch both seasons I thought that this contact I forget her name Madeline that was not it right the blonde lady what's her name still well is Madeline the old one it's Grace I thought she was like in a safe house staying undercover because of the fact that the vault was trying to kill her I'm guessing I was wrong about that because I was really weirded out by seeing her here I was like man she came to a funeral quite a public place no her family was killed by lamplighter so she wasn't like she basically just retired and I thought what were the ones that had lamplighter do it no lamplighter decided to do it on his own because they had information on they had blackmail on him with such an unusual device in this show they had blackmail on him in the flashback they don't I don't think they actually ever revealed what it was but he walks away he gets mad and then she sends a Frenchie to follow him and then he gets a phone call from his friends and lamplighter goes and kills Grace's family which causes her to just just retire and because she was retired she basically stepped away from all of it and she didn't want to do anything anymore so I think that's why vot doesn't really care anymore and it wasn't even vot per se that was interested in her it was lamplighter I was gonna say it was hard enough to be sympathetic for lamplighter but that does not help the idea that this show kind of tries to set up some sympathy for lamplighter is pathetic quite frankly it's laughably pathetic you'd think that would have bolstered her position on destroying the soups as well as vot and surely would have been pretty I don't know I guess vot covered it up because obviously he would be like you'd be in prison right lamplighter for doing that if it became a public thing he killed children so apparently vot actually knows what happened but they just kind of covered it up it's like transformers what? cover that up yeah yeah vot can cover it up sometimes but not all the time 35% 36, 40 oh man I'm looking forward I'm pretty sure this is the episode with the really dumb blackmail and I know that doesn't narrow it down but we're getting there alright so we've got the pattern Oswald cameo which we can skip yeah it's a nice trunk of episode we can skip girls get it done interview where stormfront says things that are like accurate but now with the context apparently we now learn that it's a dog whistle if a nazi is saying equality is a dog whistle for nazis also yeah I know lamplighter meant to kill her I just mean that like he it would have been known that he killed children I'm just curious how he got away with it and I'm guessing vot would have said some kind of weird accident happened and kids yeah if they can cover it what stormfront did in the apartment complex they can cover up literally anything basically yeah also if that was in reference to me condemning him as a person it's not good to burn someone to death in their bed just f1 not personally I'd say that too so yeah girls get it a train is alive and well which is a major like whoa because if you remember a train was like furious that starlight was major traitor and if he used to tell vort there she's fucking done so and he's an asshole like as a character wise I mean he in total all the horrible things he did is he killed his girlfriend because was that to help cover up something or was it because he was really pissed at her he was upset that she told the boys about the compound he threatened to kill Huey's dad I think he was going to kill Huey like that was the plan before he was stopped and then of course he would have killed starlight and Huey if he was able to I imagine in the finale but he was also inconvenient heart attack in that finale wow lucky but of course he's speeding around now he's fine which is great I'm sure that's not going to flip flop depending on what the plot needs not whatsoever and of course he's hugging starlight in the cameras this is concerning and we find out that he's exactly what you think he is do you remember we were so baffled that he might be like a stand in he's not the real a train which by the way I still think would have been the better plot line they replace him because he died and he doesn't know about how he died so starlight's like wow you're okay and then the new a train could be like you're acting a bit weird what's up what are you doing it's your old buddy a train I think that could have been cool but instead a train is more of a ping pong bowl in the season he's much like the deep but at least he has plot relevance where the deep is mainly just a joke yeah so of course he knows he has leverage and he decides that he's going to keep an eye on starlight that is what he's going to do he could literally burn the shit out of her but he's like no going to keep an eye on you see what you're up to which is really strange he has all he needs to condemn her straight away but uh fine and dandy I think he's got the deal they need to capture the telekinetic soup and give them over to the the CIA and in exchange he tells them they'll get access to something but in reality he's trying to get access to his wife right which why would Grace have that information just just help me out we'll be able to get that information she doesn't know where Becca is but she's just going to use her sources yeah it's that soft I'm government person I didn't get information there's a plot need it I got it you think what would have that under the most of wraps the most even with like fake places that she's not actually in just to keep the main one secret although can I can I point out that the facility where Becca's being held is being enclosed by a big 40 foot black wall that probably extends a couple miles wouldn't that probably I don't know you'd have nearby people thinking hey why is there Mordor over on the right hand side at that point I guess we can just be critical of being retarded enough to have it so that it can easily be spotted or it wasn't easily spotted in the middle of some distant forest or something and it's just unfortunate that Grace had access to the information it's like alright then yeah I mean you got me so more of the deep talking to his gills I believe I believe they sing a song yeah it goes on for long oh that was something it was funny he's like tripping out in shrooms and he's angry and he wants out of the room they lock the deep in his room you can't get out it is a wooden door with your standard lock and for some reason the deep can't get through it it's like a bunch of windows maybe the shrooms reduce his powers temporarily that must be it maybe he has a shroom allergy oh yeah which doesn't, that's not how doors work it's a weird door to have a lock on as well that's their drug room they tend everyone to be enlightened by themselves they did the same thing at the end of Enola Holmes she gets locked inside of the house they walk in through the front door and they turn around like two seconds later and it's locked and they can't get out you do realize that doors lock from the inside and they did the same thing in this show too it's just the plot needs them to not use the door so is it the archer's place or is it deep's place I think it's archer's place maybe he's got a specially designed door just for this yeah this is their drug room yeah cause they're like oh he's got to work through it they can't let him out but he's a superhero but okay so yeah I think yeah we're already next to the supertism so scenario you got Stormfront chilling out and she has a bag that's gonna be important and Starlight is just having a chat with her and then Gekko the guy she's got that deal with comes up and he just he just hands her the pack that has compound v in it in vort he just has it he gets that how he gets that well he just apparently stole it from the lab but I don't see how you could possibly get away with that that's like it's five million dollars a pop how do you manage to do that I feel like there'd be so many levels of security on that thing and he's just a test subject he's not like someone I assume who regularly accesses it but let's just say he does I still don't get how you can steal that yeah there's gonna be cameras everywhere there's gonna be searches after you leave the area I mean even leaving certain secure areas you're going to be searched for stuff like this there's no way that he gets out with this um and to give her this in vort tower when she's right next to right there Stormfront by the way let's see if I can get the shot this fucking blew my mind because I wanted to know because she comes back into frame a little bit later let's see if I can I should probably watch a copy right there sorry um so uh when we see stormfront again she's got some food look how far away stormfront is let me I'll get you the uh screenshot as well guys fucking insane that the gecko and starlight would either of them would ever think that this is a good plan I think starlight is surprised that he's doing this but yeah he's a fucking idiot it's basically like we can't do this here yeah but they of course they they wanted to happen here because something else happens and that is a train was spying on it he zooms up to it to ask her what's in her boot rather than grabbing what's in her boot which he does later yeah really good job a train he speeds up she's literally just put it in her boot and he's like hey what did you put in your boot it's like you're fucking speedsters grab it and um yeah he just speculates for a while and then uh he so rather than spying on her to know that she did it this time he watches her put it in a bag and doesn't know what happens there's absolutely this scene was infuriating there is no no way that he could not have seen it when she's trying to put the bag inside of her boot she has to bend over in order to get it in there like right there and then when she's walking over to the bag just like does her arm just grow and like an extra foot and she can reach down into her boot to take it out like it just does like I know what they were doing but it just doesn't make any sense yeah it's fucking over like she's caught and somehow this works but unfortunately it's Stormfront's bag so Stormfront picks it up and takes it away and of course that'll be resolved toward the end but yeah a train what the hell is a train doing it's like if your goal is to catch her out you already have the information you need what are you doing yeah and it's like oh he wants to know what a current plan is I guess like yeah I mean as opposed to just getting her out just getting captured but of course we gotta wait because the show is operating as though he's already been blackmailed but he hasn't been blackmailed yet well Stormfront needs to have her seen where she talks about oh you know don't let people walk all over you so that she can be like strong woman it is this episode oh no I mean about saying homelander will get bored oh boy so yeah the mum goes to the like I guess the outskirts of the facility and she even speaks to someone on the phone and they're like just put up with homelander hopefully he'll get bored that's their plan it's like mind blowing the vault don't seem to give a shit again if you were like what can they do they could evac them whenever homelander's busy with some kind of press tour but they don't um I guess we gotta cover that isn't there the reasoning it's like oh he's gonna find them anyways again so we just don't know anything but that's the plan of the finale so fuck it what do you even find him anyway he didn't find them anyway he found it from having to interrogate somebody so like if the logic is well it's like so what do we do guys just give up oh well fuck it homelander's always gonna ruin our plan it's like good job what a wangus I tell you man vort just they're reminding me of the first order which is not good um they are maven gf having a back forth I think we kind of went over that and then homelander trying to connect to his son um but even the son's finding him super weird and then this is what I find to be funny where the mum is like get the fuck out of here and he's just like no yep that was never gonna work but alright it's also pretty lucky that the son didn't hear that since he may well have super hearing and he's right well normal hearing might be able to get you that normal hearing yeah she walked up to the door uh so the plan begins we've mounted up with uh I think they've got pistols and a trunk rifle ready to capture this guy meanwhile kimiko staying silent as the grave when they're all essentially hunting her brother who may very well kill them when he sees them obviously except for her she knows how dangerous he is very fucking stupid but hey whatever um we find out that the people who have him in this building are the people who fucked her up in the first place question mark I think she kills one of them and it's like yeah yeah and so uh lucky for them she gets to him first and she establishes that they're cool all the boys see it so threat neutralized everybody we're great we're gonna be fine um entrance butch so butcher is like you know what nah we gotta tranquilize him anyway and I'm guessing the only argument you can make here is the butcher doesn't want to make friends with this guy he wants to capture him to get to to give him up but but you let me say butch now that's his sister over there the superhero she's probably not going to be happy with you doing this and even if you turn her to friend she's not going to be happy about that it's like what is your plan here you fucking no no plan shoot shoot and so yeah despite knowing this butcher goes for the shot uh he we fucks it up which of course he should because what the fuck are you doing butcher but unfortunately this the telekinetic takes that as an attack as he should and he brings the whole fucking store down on him well yeah a lot of it baffling scene uh because it all hangs on butch have been an idiot which you're going to be hearing us say a lot throughout these sort of episodes god damn hello so someone said uh does she know how dangerous he is um you're referencing the telekinetic they saw him pick up a ship and throw it so yeah uh yeah she does care about frenchy so there you go really annoying scene and then uh oh we cut back to the whole situation with stormfront as fringy said she she gives some a bit of a bit of a chat that's like perfectly good in terms of like I think at this point we were like this stormfront character is not too bad because we were blissfully unaware of what they were planning on doing with it we didn't know anything about the comics either so we were just like you know she says she's a little edgy but she says some stuff that's kind of meaningful you know it's neat and um it inspires starlight which we will see what what that means in a moment she takes back the compound v and puts it back in her boot luckily a train is not watching her this time like I guess because he's he's selective with that sort of thing not that it matters and then um uh butcher tells hui to fuck off and the implication there is like you're out of the team almost and then like it's her brother like butcher what the fuck it's her brother like why why are you still trying to do what you're doing and then he's like wouldn't you uh you know still take this guy down to say to be back with your family mm and and and they're all like uh hmm dodgy uh and then he's he tells them that it's all in aid of getting back to back because back is still alive which for some reason is good enough for them yeah uh so when you have one of your team members beloved is in trouble I don't think it's it makes sense for your team to decide okay at the sacrifice of one of our beloveds we will save yours it's like that seems contradictive actually like that's probably not equal exchange and so they just like yep let's do it we gotta go have to find him let's hope kibiko is okay with this which lucky for them like we're almost there um so he tells them that's going on and they decide yep so they're gonna go find them I guess chat you're welcome to let me know how they're planning on finding them because I can else yeah go ahead can I also point out that if butcher actually had I think his name is mouse whatever her brother if butcher actually had killed her uh killed him rather kill him was it a trink though it didn't look yeah yeah it was I was curious I checked it it's definitely a trink rifle because the the point isn't to kill him is to give him up to the uh I keep wanting to say CIA versus FBI it's one of those yeah one of those alphabets oops people okay never mind then because I was gonna say if he did actually kill her the kill him then Kimiko would have just ripped his face off that's why I appealed immediately to butcher what are you doing if you knock him out and try to give him up Kimiko's gonna be like fuck you of course like yeah she's not gonna let him do that it's a bizarre bow at a butcher's brain just stops working in order to uh make it happen because of course we need this uh coming action scene we're about to get there but first uh we have Starlight in Vort Tower texting here we go that she's uh she's got she's got it and she's gonna fucking it's just like I don't get we're already losing it it's like why would you do anything in Vort Tower how are the cameras not everywhere like what fucking super dangerous but then of course a train pops up and uh he actually this time takes it out of your boot he's got it and he's like wow you got compound V like so whatever your plan is I'm gonna go expose it you're done now I I would normally just roll out the problem with this scene but I don't know if anyone else wants to take it I don't want to talk too much like he already checked it and found that there was no I mean how big problem is like it's over it's you're done Starlight loses if he knows that you've stolen compound V he can just immediately run off tell somebody about it um and and it's over you know she's out she's probably dead um and then I think she immediately pivots to like I'm gonna tell them about I think it was pop claw that was yeah they pivots to pop or it and immediately it's like a train killer and just run through a killer well do it wait wait so the the evidence right so let's just say the five of us are on a jury and she's got him in court now uh she says a train killed pop claw more like what's your evidence my goodness well you see evidence um several syringes were put in her at once do you really think she would have done that to herself right that's that's evidence one and we all go hmm yeah that does seem kind of weird yeah maybe hmm okay evidence two one of the syringes pierced or scratched or whatever the bone actually went into the bone so oh yeah she had access to the autopsy report well we're getting there so she that so that's evidence two right so someone did this to her and you know what the five of us like yeah okay agreed someone did do that to her it was a train okay I don't know it's like well I can provide motive you like go it's like well they were dating and uh they she made a deal with some people that a train hates with compound v so he was angry to and then it a train says no and then that's it so hmm and who is vote going to try and cover up out of these two the one who is loyal to them or the one who is clearly trying to destroy them it's like okay so yeah she's got nothing is the point we're trying to make you and he treats it as though it's the smoking gun he's fucked he has to he has to go on with it now he can't do anything else and we've already covered it up like it's already established that they did cover it up but of course it weird that she even had access to this forensic report that bought this file yeah like why would vote letter have access to it and why would vote even report anything weird I would not write anything down yeah that's clearly suicide our forensics team said suicide la la la bye bye bye yeah and then they just keep these files around just you know for just good it just could record keeping really you know and and and all of this happens because if a train leaves her alone temporarily once vote gets outed it becomes much harder for him to actually yeah get her trouble and that's the reason this happened is because they wanted their scenes and the cherry on top of this whole wonderful scene is he gives her the V back yeah yeah just keeping it not in keeping it yeah even if you believe she has full blackmail on you you don't have to give the he back you fucking idiot everyone with this I guess it's all good all he needed to do was just run through and be like yeah she was going to expose you see look this compound v she took it from down oh yeah lab blackmail that guy free he's right so of course if her claim is true and she had unequivocal evidence that he did it and it's in this forensic report then just kill her and then destroy the forensic report yeah which is not hard for him to do apparently he has good access to reports and files that are kept squirreled away I don't think that I don't even need to do that sorry I don't think a train actually can kill her because she's she has invulnerability and she can not invulnerable she's not out by a 50 cal and apparently homelander can well remember the 50 cal the 50 cal knocked her to the ground so I think a train is strong enough to snap her neck I I can't believe that he wouldn't be able to yeah I'm pretty certain you could kill her but even if not all the other points stand but yeah even if you can kill her he can still run away and expose her and then she's done even at the at the end of the scene though I like I have to ask what what has progressed like at the beginning of the episode we have a scene between the two right after right after he recovers right like he's playing they have a little scene where they don't trust each other and they both have blackmail on each other right she knows that he has he has been using compound B and he knows that she is in cahoots with the boys and what happened at the end of season one then we have a secondary scene of these two together where once again they don't trust each other and really nothing happens he doesn't you know he suspects are doing something extra bad I suppose I don't know how you get worse than traitor but you know whatever and then we have this third scene here again where the where the result is nothing like there's no change between these two characters at the beginning they don't trust each other they have blackmail information on each other we get another one and then we get a third one and it's a same thing like they just repeat it again and again like what is the only thing that changes that storm front gave an inspiring speech and so now well I've seen a lot of people he's inspired say that this season could have been condensed into you know X episodes really not my main issues at all like the idea of wasted time I completely understand the complaint but I'm so much more focused on how tizm the right in is I can see people say that that a train can't kill a baby a train can run through a human being and be fine and not like cut up at all he's strong he just resilient himself he has to be resilient he can't run at those speeds without being resilient I mean he doesn't have to necessarily just run through her he just run into her also can you throw something at her really fucking fast didn't uh didn't starlight get tranquilized or not tranquilized but knocked out when she got captured by a black noir knocked her out yeah so she can be knocked out also if you drop her in a volcano what happens yeah I don't know grab her before she can even do anything and I'm sorry like what if you grab her foot and just run like you know with her just go I was just slamming around all over the place like I have to imagine that would do a lot to her or just yeah like again super speed characters really powerful yeah I think I feel like a lot of stuff forgets that if you're really fast you're kind of are like the best hero that it can stop you we've talked before speeds is a problem that they're so powerful uh you gotta really careful having them as long as you're clear on how they work like you'll I guess they're close to time travel in terms of how complicated you have to make sure you set your rules yeah I did see somebody mention that a train's not smart enough to think of these things that we've suggested but he's not smart enough to run fast oh that's racist wow front in the chat here as somebody's pointed out he pierced his girlfriend's bone with a syringe and see was a superhero it's like yeah he's strong there's no getting around it he has to be oh yeah that seems insanely stupid but then what do we have I was gonna say but it gets capped out even stupid or covered so you got Kimiko and uh Maosa is is his name that's distracting me because of batwoman because now I'm thinking about batwoman so they discuss what's next and uh if you guys remember better than I do I think she wants to go back to the boys he wants to destroy Vort and he doesn't want to team up with the boys to do it but she does is that I don't even think they've really suggested it does he he wants to go yeah one of her options is to go back home she even says right he wants to go back home he wants to destroy he says like he praises it like America the country yeah he wants to destroy superheroes they're all monsters yeah so they have a common interest of destroying Vot but she never mentions that oh yeah we're trying to take down Vot you want to kill Vot so we need to be working together it's just like the obvious thing that we need we need to do but it isn't even suggested um was uh when we watched this uh you said you'd seen like a promo whatever you knew that those two fought right I knew that they fought because um there was a shot in one of the promos yeah yeah you you said like they're gonna fight you remember I was like why in the world would they possibly fight there's no fucking reason these two would fight they do they have a battle they do it's you know it's really fucking it's funny because um yeah he like throws her into a building and she somehow manages to catch up Kimiko's not super fast I'm more okay with that than I am with if we fast forward now to uh just quickly to align from him he says something along when he's captured he says some long lines he doesn't want to hurt people um he fucking tosses her into an apartment building well I think even worse than that is so she knows what his power is but he doesn't know what her powers are she only says oh yeah she only says that well I'm a monster you know he says they turn me into a monster and she says I'm a monster too but she never explains what her powers are so her brother who supposedly loves her doesn't know what her powers are doesn't know that she has invulnerability doesn't know that she has super healing and throws her through a fucking building um I don't know the one thing you could counter with that is she could have told him between cuts maybe but I'm more so focused on whoever he threw her at like yeah he could easily not building um well anyway right so that's not even the stupid part like she immediately catches up to him and tackles into the ground to like choke him out and it's like okay well so I mean the only thing left now is for the boys to be able to find them because obviously we have no idea where they are in comparison to the boys they just show up they're just here there's one random street in New York they turn a corner and they're just there and it's like how the fuck did you guys fight them what the hell and you can't make the argument of they heard the apartment they heard the apartment crash it's like at least a block away that doesn't even include how many blocks they would have been away anyway this is a big place the idea that they were an earshot of something like oh god it was so dumb they were just driving around and they happened to stumble upon them but I think another thing is if let's say half of your apartment building just like kind of collapsed because someone was thrown through it don't you think that like emergency responders would be like they'd bring the boys there surely so dumb they just show up and then I think isn't the thing that happens in the end is that Billy punches Huey in the face and is like because he says don't get him Huey didn't even know he didn't know so it's totally bullshitting what the hell are you punishing him for yeah everyone else just lets this go whatever you got in the way of him it's like what are you oh it's so lame not to mention that it's just like I said it still comes back to the issue of we're happily sacrificing a team members brother for a team members wife that seems weird yeah especially when the team members brother is a much clearer save you know he's a lot easier to save than your wife all we're gonna get is the location of the wife are we in exchange for a person so that I think we turned on this show at the end of this episode we were kind of done we were like so this is terrible he's still a member of the Shining Light which is a a bad man group so like they can't just leave him running around which actually kind of makes it even more dumb because when like he says he doesn't want to hurt anybody and yet like he seemed to have no problem picking up a ship and like throwing at like everybody I didn't cite that one just in case there's context of like that person trying to hurt him or some shit I don't really know it's a security camera but even then he states that his enemy is it is America right like it's not Vaught it's not Homelander specifically like his views his enemy as America so it stands to reason that he's probably going to do some bad things to begin with um so I think it seems conflicting I think of his sister they clearly love each other very much so if his sister came to him and said listen you hate Vaught right we both agree on that for now like can we both focus on the common enemy and then over time you know she because like these people they actually helped me they took me in keeping me safe uh that sort of thing like I think that have a lot of you know sway with him but even if it didn't work which you know it might not it does later on it does later on they do team up well I mean in that in that moment I mean but like the attempt isn't even made and yeah like the idea that they have to prevent him from doing evil or whatever it's like yeah there's plenty of ways to do that that don't involve handing the IA as the immediate choice you think there's lots of things to do well I mean they do they try what we were expecting them to actually try which is talk to him in scenes to come imagine if he had the boys but two superheroes yeah that would be useful it even works out pretty well in this episode among a bunch of stupid garbage that we're gonna get to keep seeing how much would nitpicks it's uncaddy I don't know what to say to that it's not a nitpick these are all structural very important that we get these pieces right so we open with Butcher apologizing and Huey doesn't like it and there's just a bit of tension conflict there because Huey starts punching Butcher now when it should have happened in the last episode like in that final scene well now he's weird he's cowardly but he's working himself up remember it's only the end of the season that he finally stands up for himself even though he stood up for himself in front of a train in season one shut up that's different this is about him not being with a group and instead finding a different group to be with that's different yeah they're on the boat and they're having a conversation with Grace to set up their meeting or they're going to send a helicopter to extract Kimiko's brother you said none of these are nitpicks of course some of them might have been but we've been highlighting a lot of important things also when I said none of them would nitpicks I meant literally none of them a lot of people in chat who believe these are strong points as well I'm just surprised that someone would say all we're doing is nitpicking it blows me away I feel like the range of issues that we've brought up you know why do you hate your own audience today I've always spoken to my audience this way what do you mean if the audience is wrong then they're wrong what do you want guys do you want to be able to just throw out all of these arguments and never be responded to is the idea that because you're staying in chat and we're talking that you can just throw up any argument you want and nobody can take issue with it we highlight things we find funny, we highlight things we agree with we highlight things with good points we'll also highlight things that we'd be like oh gosh that's a really bad argument or a general sentiment you wouldn't want it to be that we'd never challenge you guys surely this is a live stream we do pay attention to chat I don't know what you guys expect yeah and the whole thing of trying not to foster an echo chamber it's important to address criticism instead of just ignoring it I feel like ignoring it would be worse than actually addressing anything that anybody's bringing up you know like sorry I think sometimes when you are critical of like the TV show or a movie people take it as like a personal attack because I like this movie I'm not saying that you can't like it you can rewatch it as much as you want it doesn't mean that it's perfect or that it doesn't have problems someone just would have just happy to be here Ra said if you defend this show I would have come and murder you in real life I think that might be a little too far that's some hyperbolic tisms so let's get on with it it opens with a tism straight away but ya like establishes straight up that he's going to give up the brother and then he's asked on the phone like well hey what if the sister gets in the way and he's like I'll sort her out too and he says this really casually brags do you remember when we were watching this I literally said Q Frenchy's behind him Frenchy's right behind him like wow dude how could you say that but they do it even worse I thought that was bad but Kibiko walks down the stairs as if she's heard what he just said he's just like look at it it blows my mind sometimes how like it's just from your 101 screenwriters sort of drama generation is like I don't know who'd be really bad and she's standing right behind him the whole time instant drama in a can just add water wait wouldn't you have to pop it open first the can is part of the drama you know that mystery boss mystery can mystery can Uncle JJ's because Uncle you can't use Uncle Ben anymore so this is Uncle JJ's I mean like isn't it Kimiko sits down with her brother to talk is that where we find out that his power is controlled by his hands like his hand his telekinetic powers is his hands not his head it's not his mind it's his fingers and his hands I was gonna say it's worse for you because it's individual fingers that can do it which creates so many problems but then later in the episode he forgets that so that he can get his hands broken by storm front and then get choked out we will get to that one but I have to ask how do they know that like he's unconscious I guess Kimiko was told it and she told them without being able to talk to him properly to what extent does his powers work because even even when his hands are inside of the tape like he can still wiggle so that's a good point that I brought up I was gonna save it until later but yeah of course if he can push and move through his fingers that means he can push and move the tape to separate and break it I guess what I want to know is how is it that how is it that one uses their thumb to crush a can and then rip off part of the can and then like how does the finger communicate that information isn't a mixture of your fingers and your mind it's like there's battery packs inside his palms that allow him to do this stuff but again it's because they wanted to get his hand snapped so that he would get killed that seems to be also because they can subdue him by just tying him up so also does his finger need to move independently of the rest of his hand or you know the fourth dimensional space where like if he just if like let's say his palms are put together could he not just move both hands at the same time and effectively move his finger which could control his power or is it it's so strange sorry nobody got this through I want to preemptively head this off to the people who are saying that this is a nitpick this isn't a nitpick this is how he escapes custody which creates a lot of other issues yeah it's how he escapes custody which is how like the rest of the episode plays out and it leads to him getting killed which then leads to a significant revelations and it's super important I like that you said like this is not a nitpick in my head I was like of course it alright yeah you should probably say that um yeah I suppose we can we can return to it but we they reestablished to us now that so a train is just trying to live life large fuck it he's got blackmail on him it's hard attack but oh no still got hard problems everybody now when this happened again I can't refer I said this to Rags I'm free because we ended up watching it I watched this twice with each of you we were like 110% certain this was gonna save someone's life we're like this is going to be something that prevents the bad guys from doing something 100% there's no other reason why they would establish this well that's the problem is when you watch something like Blind Manor you know something that's actually well written whenever you see something set up you think in positive ways about where that could go but when it's a bad show you know that they gotta use it to get out of something that they screwed up it's gonna be huge uh yeah then we got to good old homelander enjoying the life with the kid I don't really have much to say about that until we get further along there's not much going on there and then we have uh oh the scene where bad wait if you criticize bad riding a dog with super fashion why are you fucking around man fuck it that was CJ's tweet where he's like why did they make the person complaining about bad riding a Nazi can you can you can you put up that picture with the kid because I think it's applicable basically oh right yeah well I mean this is this is that this is that kind of through line thing that they're doing where they're trying to take certain things that normal people would would say yeah that's that's fine like I agree with that and then they attach it to literally Hitler and then they say therefore if you it's like that whole guilt by association thing if you think this then you are literally this so not exactly the Socratic method is it figuring out what people think I still think kittens and good writing are valuable that's what I'm gonna say yeah Nazi he did not just say Bly Manor is good please no I guess you missed like it's like it's insane I love so if you if you criticize if you criticize or if you nitpick I suppose then you are literally this like that's that's the problem is like if it were a better show I'd give them more credit but like the problem is that the political commentary is so transparent that it's hard not to imagine that was what I was I'm willing to agree that that wasn't necessarily the message but it's something that everyone's everyone's scratching their head over yeah I think that everything about stormfront is a character is done in service to the political ideas of the writer I think that she's so on the nose and presented in the order that she's presented where she starts out as one thing and becomes another thing I think it is it's funny right with I think the episode seven opening scene is the one where it's like oh you guys like are on reddit you guys are put on twitter the expression right is the the other shoe drops like that that drops like a fucking silo on to like do you like oh I get it now okay okay oh and then uh oh just go ahead I was just gonna say like you know it's like you can see what they're doing and you know that it's transparent but I genuinely believe that the writers on the show think they're being clever like they think that they're they're sneaking this past and like people aren't gonna notice it like I I don't I don't think that they're they're doing it deliberately on the nose to the problem is that like there was a scene a lot later in the season where she was saying like people like what I have to say but they don't like the word Nazi and when I hear that it's like is that what you is that what you think and if that's what you think you can read a lot more stuff into the into the scenes that came before I want to give them more credit than that but I'm not sure well this is their commentary and all the people who are even in the middle or even slightly right leaning even center like they're like egalitarianism right like there are things that like normal like just the completely apolitical person would think that is normal and that it's being painted is well it's just yeah you know I don't know it's not a big deal but it's it's hard not to read into that and yeah so they're making the storyboards set up for the 7 movie which will be made across this season I believe yeah I think so but then the big thing happens before it gets outed Compound V like in straight away the shocking truth about Compound V revealed so this isn't a complaint this is more just a question so she would have provided the Compound V then what does a news station do with that I don't know they just say we got this substance they just state that this is how it works and people and superheros are made with it and it's like okay well how do you prove that that's what I'm getting at like how do you do it and maybe they got the testimony of Starlight but anonymous I guess yeah it has to be anonymous I guess but uh I thought it was strange because it was just like Compound V might not be enough but I guess it was and they're all like oh fuck and then A train is like oh my god like what the hell that's what you did boo and it's like yeah you should have stopped what did you think she was gonna do it's a weird one ooh we got another deep scene ooh boy oh no anyway oh yeah moving on Huey celebrating that he with Starlight have achieved the goal that they had in the first season right that was the season one goal was to expose Compound V so they're really happy but butchers like boo because you know those two got their conflict right now he can't be happy for Huey like he can't give him any success obviously that that's the you could call their relationship an arc we discover that butcher actually values Huey through the roof he considers him like a surrogate brother was it Lenny was his brother or was Lenny just a friend yeah brother um oh and then we're back with Homelander and he throws his son off the roof in the hopes that it'll uh like jumpstart his use of powers I guess naturally he's pretty upset about being tossed off a roof I guess this is just like Homelander's just he's just poor at understanding how he should probably go about these things and then and then we got the the obvious sort of are we gonna get this kid to use his powers and you just have to get Homelander to threaten the mum and then the kid is like yo fuck you it's like uh-huh I wonder if that's gonna set up anything for later hmm well again that's probably the best kind of stuff we get from this that's probably the best setup that they've done in this show and it's not that great um and then we get the breakout scene he I guess uh uses the tin can to sort of cut through the duct tape to free yourself yes crushing and it's funny how if you can crush a can what else can you crush can you crush Stormfront later in this episode can you crush one of the organs can you crush an eye crush anything oh nice one rags I feel like we're done with that one that's an example if if telekinetic boy crushed her eyes she's done I'm just saying the whole eye stabbing thing that's a fucking problem guys yep she's super strong except for her eyes it's so strange oh oh and then once again we just spot another pattern the whole eavesdropping is someone that happens throughout this fucking show so where is a bad place for Maeve to discuss anything with the girlie she's trying to keep a secret probably uh the office of the 7 probably not great we just got done probably flooded with cameras and microphones yep we just got done with this and homelanders just meters away and for some reason she thinks there's even a chance that he hasn't heard what she's just said and what the person said but as we later find out he absolutely heard what she said and you know that I would just like us to remember homelanders hearing is fantastic through the roof amazing and this is gonna be relevant people are lying he's gonna yeah he can do that too he's gonna this is going to be inconsistent by the end of the episode but hey he heard this and so now she's fucked probably shouldn't have had that call Maeve bad idea yep bad call bad call you might say and of course see as we go through these are all the pieces that start the the lines that lead to big dramas like that piece right there is what almost thoroughly motivates Maeve to do what she does in the finale she doesn't want him to kill a girlfriend a lame yeah um so we move on to um the brother has broken out and destroys the so the NYPD have picked up the boys which is not a part of the plan this is bad what do we do at the same time telekinetic bad is try to break out of the ship he throws an anvil I think no he just he just throws doesn't he just throw telekineticisms at it I've got the scene what I mean is I think he pulls out the not the anvil sorry the anchor he pulls the anchor out of the ocean and throws it at butch's head um and narrowly misses and then he destroys the helicopter yeah he destroys it by uh just telekinetic push yeah just pushing it yeah it's funny because um he's gunning to push them his captors and he's grabbed in such a way that out of all the directions it could have gone it hit the helicopter specifically this is like damn it oh what a shot yeah like why did yeah no literally the brother grabs the anchor and throw it why doesn't he just grab butcher and throw him off the ship why would she grab the anchor and throw it at him yeah once again he doesn't hit the helicopter with the anchor no he just destroys the helicopter yeah I do need to point out that this is like a super important like CIA off they would be monitoring everything that's going on in the area so probably yeah if the NYPD dispatches a helicopter to go out to the ocean to where their meetup is I would assume that they would have interfered or you know like hey that's coming to get you maybe leave or even or even like the CIA would have contacted the NYPD and said no no no you need to stay back like don't don't go over there don't go over there so like the idea that this helicopter just goes out there and fight how does he even I guess there could be a tracker in the ship maybe but just clarifying again though because I got the visual now so he gets the visual of the people he wants to kill and he lifts the anchor out of the water to fire it directly at butcher the intent is to kill instead of just grabbing butcher he can pick up a ship you can pick up these people and crush all of their heads immediately and pick even though this enables the rest of the episode to play out as it does which is a significant amount of important information dude it's so far away from a nitpick we saved the lives this is the plot instead of like there's some aesthetic continuity issue or anything like that this is what happens this is one of the things that happens halfway through episode 3 we're not to the stuff that everyone hates yet there's a problem with the powers in this show where they get turned on and off but there's also a like a deliberate depowering of certain abilities like this is one right another one is when Stormfront can like kill people instantly or knock them out with her lightning but when she's fighting against the boys she just kind of like tickles them and then they immediately recover and she does it again with Butcher it's like it's a big problem in general with the concept is you can't have the boys and any of the major superhero standing in the same room and expecting which happens in this episode which unfortunately they do where we learn that apparently Homelander is impervious to nuclear weapons but not impervious to a truck being dropped on his head don't even half of this episode is much worse than the first half yes it is it's kind of a disaster I don't want to bring in the comic stuff too much but again the resolution for this in the comics is that the boys do have powers like they use Compound V so they actually in fact I think that is the very very first thing that Butcher does with Huey and gives him Compound V which gives him I believe he gets super speed and Moth's Milk has super strength and Frenchie has super strength too so you don't have these weird kind of mismatches where you have a character that could instantly kill all the boys with no effort so you have I like that less I like that they don't have powers I like that way more than if they both have superpowers but I understand that I can understand how if they had powers though it will allow them to escape death in an easier writing way rather than constantly saving their lives like breaking the fucking back over the so disappointing next up is a deep scene I wish we could safely skip until well his next scene we won't be so the next scene with him what happens in the scene with Edgar after this one I forget I think it was Edgar was trying to figure out what statement they were going to release to the public about Compound V I don't think he gives an answer in that scene I think what we know from the arc as a whole is that this will play to their advantage somehow they want to sell it as a superhero power thing so I guess this works out for them makes you wonder what they were just waiting for someone to expose them though why wouldn't they do that in a controlled manner I don't know who knows what storm a starlight could have released so anyway they're still trying to hook up to deliver the telekinetic they've recaptured him they put the duct tape on him so he's got no chance now of course that's how that works and then Huey has a phone call leaves a message for starlight about he's like saying sorry right she's his second wind is what he says yeah yeah I'm just so excited to get to the end of this episode what it's all about yeah so Edgar and Homeland of Buttheads in the little room this honestly is the last time I remember Edgar talking to any of the superheroes in the season I think it is he talks to Butcher he has Butcher and then Butcher again in the last episode he is surprisingly underutilized yeah all he does is he talks to Noir through the phone yeah that's yeah but it's not really a conversation more of an order a really fucking stupid one that we're gonna get to hooray I think this scene is one of the first instances well where it's very apparent that the show doesn't actually understand what Homeland of Buttheads is they keep changing their mind nobody actually wants he wants his family but then he loses his son he's like well no the seven is my family we're gonna work together and then after that it gets he kills the clone of himself in the next episode because he doesn't need anybody and then he decides that he needs his son again and then he decides that what he what he really wants is I can do whatever I want and I'm gonna masturbate on top of a building he's tired they don't have no idea well this is the the finale seems like he's tired of being pushed around by everybody but it's like but he's got the ultimate muzzle on by the end of the season yeah I do think that some of his irrational decision-making can be attributed to his insanity yeah not being because the thing is and again comics the black noir character is like just gone like absolutely like flipped out gone and I think because they're not using that arc and that like that twist in the show they're trying to merge the the homelander from the comics with the black noir from the comics and they're trying to to give him just a little bit of that like a little taste of that craziness in irrationality without going all the way you know what I mean I think they just keep changing their mind they need to figure out that too but in each season like what because again in this episode he realizes I don't need my son the seven is my family and in the next episode he realizes I don't need anybody it's just me and then when he sees Stormfront it's I need Stormfront and I'm gonna cut out to Stormfront yeah he's like no fuck you but then hit memes save him so he's like no I like Stormfront to the point where he seems like he seems almost a bit giddy like like he wants to be and then that all goes to shit but he gets over it really quickly too and then in the end at the end of this season what we learn is what Homefront actually wants is the adoration of people whom he has no respect for I think you can do whatever you want because I've seen it in chat you just said you just said Homefront and I've heard Stormfront on the chat so everyone's combining them too yeah home home lander yeah Stormfront is less important to me because home lander is like the most interesting well he was I think that they've they put him in a really bad position going forward I'm not sure if they can fix it I mean they can only go to route route route again they just snaps next season I guess it's weird it feels like when you think about it feels like season two has actually reversed his development from season one like in season one it was very unstable and was progressing more and more towards knowing what was going on and when he killed still well that seems to be an indication of he's in control of his destiny but now they've changed again because he's just crazy superman what are you going to do from a writing standpoint when you just say he's insane now well it's just I think it's less interesting you know what I mean insane I mean like in a way it's like he's just going to kill everyone who's not BDN or some shit who's going to stop them because they still don't really have a contingency especially now that homefront is not there anymore yeah I don't know what their plan is but you know I'm not I don't think season three is going to be good you guys throw that out ready to kick in this last active episode three oh yes we're up to this I want to preface his vanishing act I want to preface this with I'm not a shock so I don't know if this is actually a thing but the speed in which they are fucking swimming they go pretty fast I don't know what the maximum speed of sharks are and maybe you could argue that the deep somehow makes them faster well what we find out is the maximum speed of a sperm whale is faster than a speed boat because the deep manages to get a sperm what was the deep's plan like once I thought he liked we've got so many things to talk about so I laughed and I was hoping that I was wrong when I was on rags but I'm pretty sure I was just waiting for him to react to it because gunman Carl live and just fucking picks up a rifle and starts shooting at the sharks I was just like what are you doing I thought bullets slow down as soon as they hit the water well it's not even that's not really what I just think it's so futile look at the amount of sharks there's like 20 of them your aim is going to be pretty inaccurate off the back of a speed boat shooting things that are mostly concealed underwater I just it's just awesome one mag or two so it turns out the sharks are like destroying the boat and it's sinking already I'll get the visual future man that's some sharp teeth those sharks have got some sharp teeth they can bite through ships like that like we just found out they were doing this and the boat is already filling with water in a very fast manner let's just put it that way yeah was someone else going to say something there no I think I said so they plan to get on to their midi speed boat life boat thing which immediately is like well that's not viable of course how could that possibly be viable the sharks destroyed it let's just pretend it's fine that doesn't really matter to me it is fine it's more so you're going to a smaller weaker slower version of what was just destroyed in seconds I guess we can assume that their speed boat is faster than yours it's not moving is my point oh yeah fuck me I don't understand they take so long to get into it they're showing them shooting their guns as if that could stop an army of sharks I just uh yeah they are yeah go ahead Rex when I watched this the first time I was asking myself man they are fucked what are they going to do to get out of this situation and they just take the boat and I'm like oh oh I thought that was the thing that they were establishing was off limits so what happens next is they get on their boat to race towards the beach because I guess you know the deep isn't as effective of lead but then a sperm whale jumps out of the the storm drain that they were going to go into but then the deep gets on a sperm whale launches it and beaches it so I guess that sperm whale is going to die I guess he forgot about saving animals but he then I guess temporary but then he stares there with this heroic pose and Billy decides to immediately ram the boat into the sperm whale and the number of things that don't like sense here the deep gets knocked off the sperm whale and gets knocked unconscious despite the fact that he's a superhero meanwhile all the boys are fine I got the visual chat I got to see this because it's a hard one to spot right so look at this CGI I guess chat you ready so this is the setup you guys are going to have to boot up the stream if you want to see the what I'm talking about I've got the episode up anyway so there's the whale and Billy is going to ram into it which that's the plan we'll talk about how stupid that is in a second but I hate copyright I can't just play the scene I gotta wait give me a sec why are they pushed away so that's not even the first problem so first problem is when you approach an object this fast and you slam it forward you still keep going the same speed if you're standing on top of it you go forward the whale goes back you go forward or if anything you stay still it's just momentum man if you're in the boat you go forward if you're standing on the thing the thing goes back and you go forward it should have just fallen off into the water but instead he stays glued to the whale somehow until it stops moving and then he flings off the way he falls he's like knocked out before he even hits the ground it's so fucking bad and again let's remember the deep is strong enough that he can withstand going to the Marianas trench which is as strong as having like 10,000 trucks stacked on your head the deep is Aquaman he's not getting knocked out by falling off of a whale meanwhile the boys are all fine no broken bones, no nothing, no knocked out even though they're normal people they've got swung into a whale it's like oh there's so much wrong with this because normally you categorize like a failure as like oh so this thing happened it doesn't make sense and it saved a life this one saves all of their lives twice you might be like how all of them would have broken the shit out of their bodies by flinging forward and flinging around all over that mess of a crash and the deep being knocked out Isaac Newton has left the chat and the deep being knocked out it's like oh damn I guess he can't stop them then like that's the whole reason that he gets knocked out that's the whole reason it happens yes so that he can't stop them exactly yeah so that they can have their children which is even dumber because he's lying on the ground next to the whale do you think for even a moment that Butcher would have not just put a bullet in them like they walk by and like nobody pays attention to oh yeah the deep is I mean he's behind the whale I guess they just oh you're right they would have seen him I would have seen him if you fast forward a little bit you're gonna see Butcher goes past he turns around several times and he would have been looking at the deep who was unconscious on the ground I cannot possibly believe that Butcher would have allowed the deep to keep breathing well yeah and if someone wants to establish he can't because bullets wouldn't hurt him it's like how the fuck did he get knocked out there how do you get knocked out yeah either he's really strong or he's not strong and I feel like this scene which you've got the footage up now is just one of many examples of this shows over reliance on Gore it's so gory to the point that I feel like they just are fans of having blood spune on people's faces yeah I didn't like it I was like oh this is just oh man too much someone's just picked up a continuity issue that's kind of funny before they slam into the whale there's a track for where they're going to go that isn't actually there in the previous shot like yeah there's no so you could see it on my stream there was no track there but then when they go on the white copyright yeah this is this weird preset track I don't know that's about but that would be a nitpick compared to this totally not a nitpick yeah so yeah this was I remember like episode one and two would piss us off three we were like right so this is just over they just don't care and it keeps going yeah we're not even done yet yeah there's still more to come they go into the storm drains and they're having their conversations and then the seven rock up which is like when we were watching this it's done it's over the boys are dead there's no way it's over you've got several speedsters and hyper powerful entities that are like at most half a mile away from all of our protagonists it's in a storm crane yeah it's so done but of course we're lucky because it seems as though the show forgets that Homelander is fast the show forgets that Stormfront is fast and the show forgets that Homelanders can hear really well and instead he also has X-ray vision oh that would come in handy too instead it's so it amuses me beyond belief because the show is like oh shit a train will be able to kill him because he can run up to him right and all the writers are like oh yeah cheese oh no we can have to write away for a train to be stopped his heart condition we did it we're writers everyone meanwhile they forget that Homelander can homefront and fly and Stormfront too they can both fly you see they're done it's over you see a trains having heart conditions which by the way will be gone eventually when he needs to not have them in the plot it's gonna be great I do like how they're also casually walking around the storm trains how come nobody's like running oh yeah dude it's actually yeah you need to be booking yeah and as if your brain is not like is just having trouble getting over that we find that Huey has fallen behind enough that he's actually next to Starlight now it's like what motherfucker show some urgency it's like if you don't actually want to die which seems to be his position maybe keep up with the boys the two superheroes you have on the team but of course Starlight is smart enough to know that hey I'm surrounded by my team I better look like I'm trying to kill him right so she blasts him but not before he says ah you got my message which he would have heard which Homelander would have heard it is pretty lucky by the way that the first superhero who encounters him is the one who is most sympathetic yeah the one who wouldn't kill him as opposed to Maeve or something you know or Black Noir or anything but yeah it's over Homelander would have heard him say that he knows they're in cahoots she's done if you remember later in the episodes he even nearly kills her under the threat that she might have betrayed the next episode yes but yeah then Homelander says to kill Huey and of course Butcher doesn't want that to happen and so he says oh he can't and yeah for some reason the rest of the seven know where to be found it's just Homelander and Starlight somehow I don't know why that's the case and then so this is all you have to really watch this slowly because of how much stupid shit happens so quickly Butcher presents telekinetic man as like hey look what we have which is interesting because he was the prisoner seconds ago like I'm curious if he was just like I'd rather fucking run away from Homelander fuck all of you and throw them into him you know it could be anything it's like Homelander is a fucking nightmare but no telekinetic man maybe he got talked down by Kimiko it's fine so he's like I'm gonna take out you I was just not impressed at first because he's like you tore the floor away that's strange I'll just fly but of course the reason they do that is so that there is a pit for Homelander to be in because telekinetic man brings down the ceiling which happens to have a bus that doesn't even like fall down in a horizontal way it comes down as though it was sent from the heavens like a pillar and then they bury him and Homelander is out of the fight for the next 10 minutes so Homelander is impervious to nuclear the fact that any of this happened at all and it's just like okay so Homelander is impervious to nuclear weapons you're telling me but apparently he could be destroyed by a truck I got a plug leaks so it's like Kimiko's brother hates Homelander that's not my point you fuck I'm trying to explain how many of this makes any fucking sense of course he hates Homelander we said he hates all superheroes but he's smart enough to know who Homelander is does he really think he can beat him by throwing stuff at him the answer is of course yes for some reason this shouldn't do fuck all this shouldn't do anything to him if this happens Homelander said in the first season if he tried to fix the plane he'd go through it if he's strong enough to go through a plane when a truck gets dropped on him the truck splits up around him as he stands there that's literally what Maeve's introductory scene was her standing in front of an armored car and she like shreds it to half doesn't even stop her Homelander also does it and Homelander is stronger than Maeve yes fucking stupid and of course all of this destruction manages to avoid Huey and Starlight neither of them are involved considering that Starlight was standing right next to Homelander and you'd think that that's the peaktism of the episode but wait there's more there's more Kimiko and Hibro are running away unfortunately for them Stormfront arrives and she electrocutes them and throws them through an apartment building and so at this point you're kind of like whoa that's dangerous careful there Stormfront destroy a wall right that's where we're at right now but then so they're running away her targets and a family a nondescript family are just like whoa what are you doing and Starlight and Stormfront Stormfront kills them she electrocutes someone into a wall and blood splatters and then people are screaming and she's like well I guess I'll kill you too now it wasn't hard to spot at this point it was like oh she's super racist got it but of course you wonder it's like damn if any of them had their phones up maybe live streaming or if anyone's in the vicinity seeing it or if any of them survived these wounds but yeah this could all really go wrong because we saw what happened to Homelander all these people died of electric shock that's kind of weird as it turns out not only did she get away with killing those three people but she manages to destroy basically the entire apartment block and apparently not being covered up the one I find funny is the guy on the staircase she like throws him out a window he's like whoa it's like I don't know that that guy's dead I'm just saying no not necessarily what's like the plain thing all over again these people are dead we get a nice shot here of how much damage she does there's no covering this up maybe forward a little bit apparently 59 people died and 100 were injured so 100 injured people are gonna say Stormfront killed those people nope because all of them would have been paid off covered up or thought the story was true which is framing the telekinetic the telekinetic was the one who blew up the building even though there's clearly electricity damage to the building and scorch marks and explosions how does a telekinetic man do this I would argue that this is the most powerful we ever see her electric it's ripping the building apart while she attacks people with it and they sort of go yeah it's pretty funny how she has electricity that destroys a building but not humans that she throws away when she's fighting the boys well she like killed everybody on an entire floor using lightning and yet she's only able to tickle the boys later on 30% collateral damage man even though somebody saw this I'm sorry somebody has seen this it's over there's no getting around it so then our heroes get to the roof and telekinetic boy jumps across the building to another one and Kimiko is not fast enough and she starts getting beaten up by Stormfront now of course for some reason she waits any normal person without being us like oh how convenient telekinetic man is like far away enough that he can still do telekinetic tisms but at the same time he's not close enough to get you know seriously hurt this is perfect so he jumps up right next to Stormfront and tackles her which he's not he's not a soup in the sense of strength so that was like an interesting choice yeah it should have been like he was a mobile he should have just bumped into her you know in the same way that went home why not grab her and just drive her through the ground like Scarlet Witch did to Vision yeah well technically that's not the same thing he needs to tackle her so that she can grab his hands and break them and so people look at this she's grabbed his wrists his powers are in his fingers even though his fingers can still work just pop her eyes dude pop anything oh he's dead why would he tackle her instead of using telekinesis so yeah this was the episode where it was just like I'm losing my mind I can't stand fucking retros just the right it is this is so bad but the reason why we had it is because we needed the scene where she calls him a yellow bastard because again the show once it doesn't have the balls to actually like fully commit to what a racist person would actually be like so he's very soft language instead of like I you know if somebody was actually a racist you think they'd use more pejorative words than a yellow bastard killing fine but I'm not gonna say the n word that's fucked up it's like that's the thing this show wants to be edgy but it isn't actually edgy it's not, it's not a denial that he's an edgy nurse yeah it's superficial edgy nurse yeah this is a reveal in and of itself it's like yeah you thought you liked her she's racist she's evil and racist wow I guess they're both I mean if you if you were okay with her killing an apartment full of people now you're really not gonna like her yeah this was her saying that was confirmation it could have just been coincidence she could have just been someone who kills people at a whim but now we know she's racist as well it's specific I don't even know that she'll leave white people alone isn't it like she likes white superheroes that's her that's her preferred thing well it seems like her thing is that she definitely hates black people and Asians she doesn't like Latin American people either but she tolerates I think she said that Gus was okay for his kind cool can we to end out that scene because home lander arrives storm front forgets kinko exists and home lander can't hear her panting because home lander fucking sucks well yeah because we need Kimiko to stay alive so continue the yeah because it would ruin it if home lander would laser her into two pieces it would be over and of course by the way home lander showing up covered in like he's like oh that kill was supposed to be by this like yeah well you snooze you lose grabs it's like what why would she say that when she's so old it's weird yeah I know she's like a hundred years old maybe that's supposed to be the joke get it also need to point out that with his extremely advanced hearing he would probably hear Kimiko's heartbeat like well I just realized well X Ray could see her yeah though it's just over in every sense of the word but the show doesn't give a fuck I love how everybody in the seven is a psychopath as well not only does she hate people who aren't white but she likes to see the lights go out she likes to suffocate them to death well Fringy that's a setup yeah that's part of the reason why she dies is she likes to see the lights go out we'll get to that why does she forget that Kimiko exists I don't know because Kimiko would be dead if she didn't boom there writing oh and so yeah I would like to make it clear we're already three episodes in there is a hugely strong pattern of inconsistent powers we haven't even gotten to the the ones that people usually cite like when we were talking to Jay Longbone she said that episode seven was like the big inconsistent power episode it's like oh if you or the whole season but I think we can all agree episode three is currently the worst that was a disaster of writing yeah one and two I could get over but three I'd be like you seriously don't think this has problems like no okay and funnily enough the three were released at first right so we would we were busy with other shit when this was released we hadn't gotten to it yet but I didn't hear many complaints I think people like like this well like I said the first three seasons reviewed on metacritic got an 86 out of a hundred it blows blind manner out of the water I know that much well yeah because blind man I got 62 and an audience score of 50 yeah die it's really depressing having the superheroes help people even though there's no way they're covering it up yeah there's just no way if you can't cover up homeland or do what he does later in the show well they can with memes I guess well yeah killing an innocent civilian with memes you know that's fine you're all good they do the first of many shots where Kimiko wants revenge it's like yep she doesn't get it though does she where she locks up yeah really strange choice to not have Kimiko kill that was an odd one I was expecting it I almost said I was almost saying like during the fight at the end I was like all right this is Kimiko's payoff and I was like well this will this will be nice to get you know that but it never happens well maybe she'll kill her in season three she's not dead right yeah maybe I guess she's not technically dead yeah oh do you what I'm wondering if they're gonna do the thing where Kimiko maybe sees her in her state and doesn't kill her like shows mercy or something like that some bullshit some last of us two crap well it's not really about mercy at this point she's just very dangerous person who probably yeah but I'm thinking it's the show gonna do that Fring you remember the last of us two right they'll do it they will spare you a big we reached the point of just pure pragmatism it's like yeah Stormfront is very dangerous and malevolent and racist you set the R board which brings us to episode four there's several scenes of women sort of talking about love the whole goal is well we find out that they're all auditioning to be the deep's wife which means we can comfortably not talk about them yeah we can skip over those results in absolutely nothing um yeah by the way this is where I started taking notes friend yeah yeah yeah well we we it's where you would like to do for reference we realized we couldn't talk about this because we knew that the boys loved at that point and we were like good god have we seen different shows like we're gonna need references like there's no way we're getting away we're just saying that this show sucks it's not gonna happen I have ten pages of notes but I was probably wrong because like I said by the time the season ended a lot of people were shitting all over it so but it's frustrating because we were up to episode three and it was already like kind of beyond repair um so uh friend she takes um I don't know what drug it is and he tries to kiss Kimiko pretty awkward which obviously not a good thing to do when her brother just died then we've got Stormfront complaining on her stream that people keep dying and that Vought needs to do something about it uh I mean that's just her playing of course it's Vought what are you doing about this woman it's like well you see she could raise our stocks I just don't get it amazing so yeah and of course homeland is upset at that too and then we get him going to a house where he meets still well who uh is actually doppelganger because he hasn't quite gotten over that which is weird he was totally awkward um I think I was gonna get some criticisms of that whole thing we'll wait until he kills doppelganger I think to talk about that so uh grace gives them a new quest because the boys literally have no other leads to go with um telekinetics dead and it's to uh find out to pursue the history of liberty because grace is obviously assuming that liberty is stormfront she's got a bit of a bit of a suspicious eye on that one set it up um then we get homelander like associated with taxi driver so I wonder if they try to muscle in another message you'd never know did you see the uh um you know you can watch the like the x-ray right did you see that um you're gonna have to time check those it's a whole bunch of these throughout the season and they're all uh equally stupid um I can send you a quick screen oh this is what it says it says whenever sorry this is the x-ray for general trivia in that scene whenever homelander is feeling down his go-to movie is taxi driver starring Robert De Niro homelander relates to De Niro's character Travis Bickle because both of them feel a threat to their white male privilege oh what I'm gonna lash out with violence because of it oh no why would you put why would you put this in what is this it's not the ones too that's insane uh doesn't it easy for me to say no not mellon before that mellory grace right grace mellory uh she she gives him the info where his wife is came that after I can always track her oh yeah she does give him and he says like but he didn't come through and she's like yeah it's yeah but I had a weird dream so now I changed my mind second one oh yeah you're right she had a dream where she was looking at all of the people she's wronged or some shit and it was like I want to see you out there too it would be nice if at least one less person is like what really that's okay yeah cool yeah it's taxi driver very commonly known as a white privilege okay whatever I've never gotten the impression that homelander is particularly concerned about his race yeah I never got that ever I got the impression that he's nationalistic but yeah I mean his name is homelander yeah but not like the white part when the hell not come from well in finnish he's when she says they're trying to erase the white people his first reaction is confusion and then he winks and the implication there is just that he's going along with it which I still think is fucking strange but the point is that he doesn't he doesn't register that he's like what so I don't know if who writes the x-rays I don't know if it's Amazon or the show creators I'm willing to bet that the show creators put that stuff and then like it's included yeah I'm sure the creators the creators provided and Amazon just puts it in there I don't think Amazon has any say in what's what's on there I would be surprised I think that's from IMDB but it's all written out properly like everything's written correctly they've got correct capitalization and punctuation it's all properly written it's definitely made by either the show or Amazon it's not like some time stamps as well yeah I don't know it was probably a collaboration like what the actual text is was provided by the people who made the boys and then Amazon put it actually onto the player in Amazon yeah someone just wrote Chad what does race even mean if you're a demigod yeah she's hyper racist so yeah this is where you reveal it's actually doppelganger which I think now is a good time to probably talk about it I don't feel he would do this I don't either it feels extremely out of character for him I think the only reason they did it is because they wanted a scene at the end of the episode where homeland is almost gonna get killed yeah it's a very important visual I wanna make it this is definitely gonna be debated so I do wanna try and strengthen this so he is very obsessed with his image and the only time he's ever vulnerable in season 1 is with still well and I do like their relationship in season 1 in this one he's trying to have doppelganger pretend to be here so he can feel like he can have that relationship back but he knows it's not here like and it's this other guy that he's doing this with and it's like yeah but physically it feels like her and it looks like it's like but it's not here he knows that and so like I guess we have to rely on his sort of mental state being wibbly wobbly because I just don't think he would ever want to be like this in front of anyone but still well yeah and of course then you wonder like does doppelganger have a family to vote care about doppelganger is what doing this you feel like doppelganger is a super useful extremely important he couldn't infiltrate the government and if doppelganger is 24-7 a captive for homelander's own like fantasies does he not want to try and escape and by that I mean literally just transform into someone else and go down the street I guess homelander could find and kill him it's such a bizarre and like doppelganger as a character is irrelevant he's just a tool in this for homelanders I guess you could call arc of development something's happening doppelganger is one of the few characters that could probably escape and homelander would never ever find him I don't see how he could no it's a strange it's strange and I think if you guys just mentioned it doppelganger is incredibly important to vote yeah he thinks so it's all very strange I don't quite follow and I don't think I think it would present issues for vote and I don't know why doppelganger isn't trying to escape it's all yeah I don't know is he there all the time is he there at only a range times like they like arrange this role play of theirs I assume that's what they do but I mean just everything about it is just why does he kill him and are we going to do the whole whole homelander's crazy defense is that always going to be the thing it is boring and it would be nice to have a psychopath who's cunning and intelligent and clever it would be so great and I would be so invested in seeing how this super clever guileful character gets the stuff that they want and how they manipulate others into doing their bidding but we don't get that we get homelander instead so next scene of interest I would say is homelander threatening to kill starlight if she's an evilman and we're going to have to yeah we're going to have to be very careful with this one because I know people are going to deliberately misunderstand what I'm saying so she manages to pass his lie detector because she says a detail that she believes to be true being the Huey betrayer and it makes her sad he doesn't pursue any other form of more specific questioning whatsoever when he can get a definitive answer for any of them and the fact that that passes when it's being used as a white lie in order to escape the conversation she's lucky that's not detected as a lie either it's a scene that really fucking annoys me he's pretty sure that she's evil he's gone to the point where he's almost killing her which by the way tells you something about her either his immense strength or her weaknesses pick whatever one you want and yeah he's going this far but he doesn't pursue any specific questions really fucking annoys me how homeland is just so incompetent anything else you guys want to say about that thing I mean I mean lucky for her I mean yeah lucky for her I only noted that went well but yeah oh that could have gone way worse but yeah that seems to be alright someone in chat said the Joker archetype is what rags once it's like well no not really someone who's crazy I guess why he should be specific Homelander is an extremely charismatic individual who has a big following and people love him and people think that he's great it's just on the inside you know he's not anything like what he seems take um yeah isn't I haven't seen all the show but isn't Dexter kind of this he's like charming well to do straightforward smart and covering up but he has a severe desire to kill he loves killing people like that's the premise of the show his whole thing is to try and kill the right people as in he tries to kill really bad people to save his desire not that that's what you should do with Homelander just the implication is you can have a very intelligent person who doesn't give a fuck for human life which by the way would be completely supported by him being a god man you just see humans as ants he has no sense of apathy whatsoever but he wants their love he likes being above everyone yeah it feeds his superiority complex which he has developed because he is physically superior to everybody around him by a long shot and no one can ever stop him Ozymandias that could be someone who's similar we're looking for more evil I would imagine though even though well I don't want to get into Watchman he would be intelligent enough that their respect out of fear for him is not the same as their love and admiration for him like anyone could know that there's an obvious difference between those two things and he certainly would which is why he strives for one and not the other because one is cheap and easy kind of elective that's probably the archetype if you wanted to give it a name whatever it is he's um prior to being imprisoned that's what we're looking at um look at that frame having an almond joy in their hand it's a setup it's a setup because he wants it away from him very good job show oh god oh no this is the thing where Black Noir arrives oh no oh no so oh I don't even this is like unwrapping a poop it's like here we go Butcher knows where his wife is he is going to jump the wall with I guess a grappling hook no idea how he isn't detected by many different things at that point no idea why there's not you know severe barbed wire or some shit at the top he just does and he sees a camera and he flips it off and then he runs forward and the next time we see him he's hiding in a car because there's too many cameras for him to avoid which is a I've already what I've told you so far should already be like excuse me he flipped off a camera and then hid because of the cameras he doesn't actually I believe the order is he doesn't flip the camera off until he's leaving is that right I thought he did it when he enters because no I'm almost certain that he flips off the camera when he leaves because I was going to put that in my review and I went back and I double checked and I'm like oh no no no he doesn't do it until he leaves where is he it's when he drops down the wall he drops down from the the rope once he lands down inside correct but then he has to climb up over to get out and when he gets out that's when he does it where is the scene where he enters the building the place even I'm trying to find it I keep missing it is it like it must be really quick I feel I keep missing it I think it was a later scene I think it was sometime later no it can't be later because he's in the place later so it has to be the place of elimination this shit it's got to be just before this one maybe it's relatively short it's after he leaves M.M. but it's before he meets with the wife so where is it damn it I can't find it oh go back yeah it does I because I realize it's on a delay anyway so it don't matter you know what I'm just going to run it in times to speed while we talk more about how it is so wait before we go deeper in that how fucking stupid is it that Black Noir has to come around and tell somebody to look for them that's what I meant by carrying on so we're setting that up there's so many problems all at once so he breaks in the cameras spot him and then he stays secret because of the cameras there's no motion detector it's just recorded and that is it so Black Noir's task is to find Butcher he walks into the security room and asks someone to look for Butcher on the cameras well he writes Butcher in big scary words but yeah I guess somebody was looking yeah well if they would have seen Butcher normally they would have just oh this is normal and fine but now that Black Noir wants me to say oh well now it's staggering that he wasn't just automatically detected and detained in this high security most valuable human being on the planet to vote place especially after they had their quote-unquote fight with the seven they should have been looking for them non-stop trying to find them and not chewing on some stupid elm joy trying to where is this fucking scene because it's in my head where he flips off the camera I'm just trying to find it where are you towards the end I'm trying to find was it the end of this episode yeah that's what I meant but it's in a later scene I was sure he did it on his way in not in my memory it's in the later scene but is it that he does it on his way in but we only ever see it in the form of the in the security room that might be it okay yeah he's coming coming down and then he flips off the camera boy is so the implication is he does that on the way out I can tell you right here it's at time stamp 5848 no I got it I'm just are we guessing this is on the outside of the building that looks to me like it's outside well so in that case then we're just saying he was lucky to avoid all the cameras then why didn't did he not avoid them on the way in and why would he want to be seen by them eventually why would he do this yeah he knew where the cameras were why did you not avoid them and why would you want to be seen by them and why did you not go around them and why are you an idiot like why though god but that's so butcher this is classic butcher given the finger to the man oh he's showing them classic the amount of time he spends in that place I guess we'll get to all of that and as we progress but it fucking blows my mind that he got in there and out and apparently is a sort of fuck you goodbye he why would you even put yourself on a camera if you know where they are and how do you know what all the cameras are he shouldn't know where they are he's never been there before all right well yeah so that's how good he is and then of course not detected until someone is asked to detect him that is so insane they should be looking for them non-stop they're not looking for them already this is the contingency for as dumb as that is this should be really important and you should have a lot of a lot of personnel and equipment invested in this property some people in chat are saying he was on his way in it's bad either way but if I was to guess just from that shot I'd assume it was on the way out because the what do you call them like supports for the wall are more typically going to be on the outside or would they be I don't know I think ideally it works the same those types of walls you would have it on both sides hmm yeah there's going to be that kind of that L shape on the bottom towards the base and you can't just have it on one side because then it makes it unstable so you'd rather have it on both I think either way it's dumb so this is the first of the we're really pushing it now guys with the Huey and Starlight they just meet up again in a park without their hoodies on right after Homelander shows massive suspicions against in a track sorry it's a fucking park like there's people there's people everywhere we lost it when we watch this we were just we could not believe that this is where they decided to meet up with Starlight being as famous as she is with the fact that she has this tracker on her he's a wanted criminal remember how in season you know one episode two and three I think how it was a huge deal that there was a tracker and translucent and how that was a big part of the plot and avoiding detection and setting up the special room and going to that abandoned building how all of that was done because there was a tracker on translucent and the fact that there was a scratch in the ceiling had Homelander nearly to break up our heroes like that was a huge deal and in this season they don't give a fuck about this tracker well the beginning on the first episode they go into the subway and they meet there because it's supposedly the subway one is the best moment in the whole season for counting for the fact that they were wanted but now it's gone we've abandoned it until later on look at that screenshot look at that wonderful screenshot yeah the fact that nobody is following Starlight when Homelander which is under serious suspicion yeah also people know how Starlight looks with all her costume she's been spotted in the first season when she helped the girl the girl remember that yeah when she was getting attacked and it got recorded made like a big deal it's like oh shit it went viral and everything what are you doing people know she looks like they've been like oh shit Starlight yo what's up can I have an autograph super chat said the camera was on the camera which means it can't be when he left because he left at night is that true well if it's half past five it ain't gonna be dark of course I just mean is it true that he left at night I can't remember I think so you came there at night you left at night right yeah I think he went over both times during the night we need to get in the car we'll find out eventually anyway it'll be fine we'll get there I like this in chat by the way to clarify this is a valid criticism the other 90% not so much oh yeah hey well at least you're hearing them out that's the important thing so you're an idiot oh no if you think the 90% of everything else we've said isn't valid if you don't think the show is already in like critical danger by the end of C episode 3 I don't know what to say I mean you'd have to be I have no other explanation unless irrational emotional investment it's a valid criticism that nobody recognised Starlight it's not valid that Homelander could have instantly caught the boys in a storm drain when they're only like less than a mile away so maybe that one's a valid one too maybe I guess we don't know so next up she kind of breaks down she's like oh god I'm gonna die and so he was like right then you're gonna stay with us now with yeah we need to have you close to us mm is temporarily the voice of reason he's like are you fucking nuts this is never gonna work don't worry I told vort I'm gonna visit my sister who lives in the place you guys go to cousin or something like that which my god she's under suspicion she tells you guys at vort she's gonna go visit someone she loves for a day or two whatever how do you not go someone keep an eye on her how is that not what happens and yet she can go on she goes on a full road trip this episode blew my mind I couldn't believe this was happening like look at where they are right now she's on the street starlight is speaking to a wanted criminal two wanted criminals on the street while she has a tracking device inside of her fascinating choices by the writers like any even like B-list celebrities get constantly mobbed with people taking pictures and all that sort of stuff I mean you got pictures of Leonardo DiCaprio and counter-reeves like just sitting on a park bench but somehow starlight is just completely unnoticed like probably one of the most recognizable people in the entire planet yeah pretty unbelievable but uh yeah mm is convinced and so they go on their road trip amazing atrain is dropped from the 7 it's uh that I don't have any issue with this scene homelander's motivation to drop him is that he's not good enough anymore not only is he only in the top he can't even break the top 20 speedsters he's got the heart issue so he's just not he's not up to stuff anymore hard to believe there's 20 speedsters out there at least yeah um but also oh by the way that we actually talked about that it's like imagine vort having access to 20 different speedsters when they need information they need like oh god can you run around the city like all of you just collect all of the secrets from everyone everywhere all the secrets in like 20 seconds well we've already seen scenes with atrain where he moves so fast it's literally not possible to even see him so I mean like they could get anywhere like pretty much anywhere um so yeah uh homeland is dropping in for that reason which we will hang on to because that's gonna become irrelevant information by the time you hit the last episode right now um yeah and then there's chilling hanging out having the little thing and then mm I believe drops a story on them about how his dad like killed himself working so hard oh oh that that's when they are and what it was night time when when you broke out uh but those little things are on the outside I wonder let me just maybe it was night vision on the security camera let me have a look again you don't think they'd be on the inside too well I was going to say I could be I just I want to check the security footage I lose the scene again if I was going to put cameras on there I would have them on the outside because you don't really need to see people inside yeah you do because like this is insanely important and you have bought money I was going to say there should be cameras literally everywhere um yeah oh the time is the time is 7 27 not 5 27 so yeah it's it's dark time or early morning yeah um so that could line up that he was well again summer it's summer it's still light out 7 30 in the summer true I don't know if that completely lines up but I mean it's we've as we've said it's it's terribly the way like it doesn't really matter hugely um just wanted to see so when he drops down when he leaves does he put the camera off when we see him here um the gates of Mordor yes it is it's well yeah so when he lands here he doesn't flip off the camera at a 22 2234 he doesn't do the flip someone points in the chat well they do monitor the inside even as I've said there were I guess which is why they went met on the bridge oh yeah there's yeah that's exactly why that would be my spot but also as he's this is him leaving and he doesn't flip off the camera unless there's a we cut that arriving that's him arriving no the one I've got on screen right now is him leaving isn't it no that's him arriving oh god my timelines all fucked up wait what but he arrived during the day oh he arrived at night I think he arrived at night this was the scene I was looking for the whole time it was here that makes more sense now so that's interesting because he's gonna go to Becca's house he's gonna leave the car door open and she's gonna notice it so he both arrives and leaves at night time yeah so technically speaking that security footage could be from yeah I would actually now settle that it's of him leaving rather than arriving I would assume but again it's still protected there's no way he wouldn't have been caught it's amusing to me that he somehow got from that wall to the car and was and he's in the car to avoid the cameras it's like surely the cameras have picked you up already then I don't really understand how that would have worked I don't think you can't get in there without the camera seeing you in which case just like I guess they're just not motion capture cameras the only record which is beyond stupid what else can you say still pushing forward Frenchie is sad about Kimiko and he's gonna find out that Kimiko and the girl he hangs out with have got a deal where she kills people for money and that happens at one point you can fucking tell somebody she has a brother but she can make deals somehow could be a different day he went there multiple times I think he did it all in one go I don't think he left and came back no it was just once she can't say tell the people that the guy was her brother but she can make deals with someone no problem between the time of doing that and that I'm sure she's figured it out now maybe she taught that lady the sign language you don't know they helped me kind of fucked up with her so they're in a restaurant now oh wait we go ahead I don't know that there was anything important happening in the restaurant after when they leave the restaurant that a car crash just so happens to occur right in front of the restaurant to put starlight in an ethical quandary to go and help but get identified even though she just can't really provide much more assistance than any normal person also suddenly they care about not being covered up oh no you okay oh so this is interesting I was curious where this came from the criticism about the meeting in public was that they demanded equally stupid decisions before because it doesn't affect the plot it's a valid criticism but ifap is being really they said consistent here I think they mean inconsistent and their example is when we were using an example of how if in diehard there was an option for john to pick up two pistols instead of just the one and then he goes on to only fire let's say two or three bullets him not picking up that second pistol really didn't make much of a difference at all looking out in public we can't really call that a criticism if we're going to remain consistent about the the guns and bullets and stuff what they failed to connect is that what we were talking about in that context was repercussions or what happens as a result it is a problem that John wouldn't pick up two pistols that is luckily in that scenario it doesn't have major consequences as in he runs out of ammo when he could have had another whole pistol let's just assume a full magazine that would be a problem but it's a problem for John to not want to have more ammo when he could anyway in this scenario it's really fucking stupid for them to be out in public so that's a criticism of character just like it would be with John but somehow against all possibilities they are not actually seen or captured in any way meanwhile the idea that John wouldn't expend all of the bullets in his magazine that's very possible it really depends on how everything goes these aren't the two they're not the same thing they're not the same thing at all like I said if we said because I'm pretty sure that's EFAP2 if we said it can't be considered an issue for him to not give himself more ammo when he has the chance to I would disagree with me from back then but I do agree with me from back then if I said that it's more important as a flaw if it leads to like an important consequence rather than literally nothing at all in this case them not being caught enables the entire show to continue as it does it's very consequential yeah if John literally had to kill one more guy it doesn't really matter if he's a good shot whether he has 10 bullets or 100 bullets he's just gonna land one shot though I would still as someone just said ultra celebrities we're talking the highest types of celebrity wanted fugitive and celebrity of the highest order yeah this analogy isn't a good one this comparison doesn't hold up well I'm cool with clarifying if they that's what they were looking for but yeah these are two different things more than the picking old baller I don't think I would have said it's absolutely not something you can bring up I just would have appealed to the consequences because consequences are what change the impact on the plot and the consequences of it are what are the difference between a nitpick and a non nitpick yeah nitpick being that it's it's a flaw but it's not very consequential plot convenience being you sound like you saw something funny they said can you move on to the finale we're four hours in we're at episode four episode four we're still gonna be talking for a while there's more bad shit than you know there's more bad shit than just episode six onwards yeah it doesn't start with episode the end it doesn't start with the plot yeah like remember it was episode two where we were like nope um yeah so they're in a restaurant having food again wanted and celebrity gonna have to keep reaffirming how fucking retarded this is but okay well he would have gotten served both of them would have gotten served well yeah when butcher went to that restaurant he got spotted immediately well you see rags the difference there was the the TV told her because it was it was on the right channel at the right time in this instance whoever served these two is unaware of both of them how would you even is that even possible that a person serving food would even be like fucking hell that's starlight that's like more famous than the most famous celebrity this superheros real super like you'd go nuts and everybody in that store surrounding if donald trump just walked into your restaurant like you know who he is it's that kind of thing also keep in mind this is um supposed to be more towards where starlight is from where because like your family lives in this area and you would have to assume that they would be even more familiar with her well as far as i'm aware uh places that presidents were born in and like like are the town they're born in are like most sites literally oh a lot of the time you want to see where they their childhood home like childhood homes are very cool things that get sort of visited when you're a famous person and so uh yeah the you'd get people surrounding you and then one of them would be like hey this dude you're sitting with he looks like that guy oh oh no everyone run call the police oh we had and starlight has to grab his hands and be like i am answering him i'm just really hungry right now and then we get to what is absolutely a nitpick because it doesn't have any consequences of any kind i just find it so shameful so it's making shut the fuck up starlight is trying to remain undercover but you know what there's a car crash suddenly it's a really weird one too because i was like oh god is someone here to attack them like that's what i figured they were going for but no it's just it's just an unfortunate car crash that happens and um yeah they see it i just put it on screen so she's like oh my god i must help them because i am a superhero and then em is like no you can't you'll give up your position even though everyone can fucking tell your starlight but whatever it's like you can't do this no it's like a moment of ah the struggle of maintaining cover when you know you can help isn't this isn't this sad it's just like what do you mean who needs a superhero it's two cars that have rolled to a stop after you know like a hit that there's a guy who looks to be unconscious the other one's fine and these humans are gonna carry him out of the car and wait for an ambulance what's she gonna do yeah there's not much she can do beyond what any normal person can do they didn't do this properly the way the scene you need is a scene where only she is the one that could possibly help and she has to choose not to to maintain her secrecy if the car is on fire and like the the doors are like you know kind of twisted and you need super strength to pull him apart or something you could have that but i think m m even points out it's like this already people helping like this yeah it's just a bulk scene it's just her being stupid it's like what are you what are you doing they'll be fine but i'm a superhero we just need more of these scenes right because we have conundrum here and then conundrum where she murders someone and then blames him because he was in the way oh we're almost to that shit i feel like we're almost there we're probably not yeah how do we sum up this retarded shit so butcher is like she's like we'll talk here because this is the place they have no cameras or mics why is there a place they have no cameras or mics and how do you know where that is and what if they lied to you when there are cameras and microphones well it's hilarious because she puts her cigarettes to the camera as if to imply like this is my cigarette time you leave me alone and then she goes off like an hour and then she goes back there soon to just have sex and it's like what why would nobody on the cameras be like this is kind of weird she's smoking a lot today how would you know that this location doesn't have any cameras or microphones oh yeah she had a chat with them yeah she asked them real nice and they said okay here's a place you can be private like yeah what other previous actions would she need is she meeting other people no she's like why would they let her leave to smoke she doesn't have to leave to smoke just smoke outside imagine being on camera when you smoke in that is hell of course she has to be off camera when she smokes I don't want him to see me like this just hilarious she just gets it's just hilarious that she gets to just leave like I'm pretty sure we haven't even got there right from what I can tell every single aspect of Becca's life is controlled by like she doesn't need to work she doesn't need to go anywhere or do anything she basically spends her whole day at home with their kid I don't even think she goes grocery shop and they probably just deliver that shit so like yeah it just doesn't make any sense so they have a talk about which is the best chocolate bar and then they have sex and then as you know it's what normally how it goes butcher and his wife have sex sorry human intercourse oh then he gives her way more details than he needs to about where their secret base is which is just funny because it was just like damn that's probably gonna come up and it does it's really important that she knows this because it's gonna be useful later instead of just saying yeah we're undercover in a place he says the kind of store that it is and I can't remember if he says what street or whatever but the point is she's able to find it thanks to this information which very clever of Butcher but again I don't think that's really out of character he's pretty dumb in this season oh and then we get the reveal so this is the thing we might be able to speed up as we go because we kind of covered some of this stuff ahead of time Homelander this is a really weird point so they highlight that the the seven don't have um good diversity in terms of race and to counter Homelander says yeah but Maeve's gay and it's just like uh but um the seed pivots into that like oh my god she's coming out this is amazing diverse and I was just like I don't know if that's just commentary on how vapid it all is or if they just lost the point that they had which was race and sexuality of two different things but alright um the kind of ironic is in the comics a train is actually white so they changed him for the show and even that wasn't good enough they're still complaining about it I guess um kind of makes the decision to get rid of a train and to abuse the shit out of the daredevil guy as they could have been good for the diverse pics their Homelander it's just funny the idea that he's trying to shore up the seven when it doesn't even seem like he gives a shit about the seven in this season no do you like that uh Homelander uses his superhero for eavesdropping but not when he actually needs to kill someone well as we've highlighted he missed it with finding that Kimiko was alive he missed it by further pursuing a lie detector test on uh starlight and he missed it when Huey made it blatant that he and starlight were working together Homelander's powers are very inconsistent yep um Kimiko is gonna try and exact some revenge Frenchy manages to stop her right before she does it just seems lucky to be I guess and a huge crowd by the way well it's not like they wanted criminals or anything what it's just of all the times like this is the time and all the rage steens up like this is the time it's uh it's fascinating um so then they end up at this lead which is the house of the I want to say the child of someone who was killed by liberty back in the day uh because because they were black that's the only reason she was oh okay she was paid to stay silent and she knows that if she ruffles feathers uh it couldn't end really badly because of literal soup fucking executed and yet she tells them the story yeah yeah and after it she's like she's like hey don't tell anybody else yeah why do you think they're asking you about this like so the reason that she tells them is because MM tells her about his dad right that's the story yeah that's what gets her to but that doesn't line up let's just oh no no no no it makes total sense she should be like oh that's a sad story I guess yeah no no no whenever someone tells you a sad story about her how their dad died you instantly it's like you know you did this for me when I didn't ask for it so now I'm decidedly obliged to tell you all the secrets I know about my dead relatives because we have like a you know we're in the dead relatives club and we gotta tell everyone about all of our dead relatives and how they got dead so this is the super cringe scene that shows the the show doesn't know just how to portray a racist it's all a victim of racism you have the car pulls up the guy gets out and she's like being really really mean to him and then he's like wait you're a superhero aren't you you're not supposed to be that she's like shut up black piece of shit and kills him yeah again because all you need with every scene of her is just hey your race um bastard your race your race like bad person I don't like non-white I believe that people who aren't white are lesser than me and they kill them and there's always a witness there's always a witness to this racism these are not very smart racists we are we're to assume that she's flying way overhead in the middle of the night in a deaf and poor maybe she has vision we don't know because it's never she does she can see but like how would she maybe she pulled over like you know anybody it doesn't like how does she even know who she's pulling all your highlighting is just the scenario racism what's the context racism is the context racism it's so blunt oh it's so dumb well this is what I mean about portraying there are so many better ways to portray racism in like a meaningful way rather than she pulled over a random car pulled out a black guy I guess killed him and said you're black it's like alright well I mean wouldn't the more interesting one be the whole like implicit racism like a sideways glance maybe putting a little distance between you and I know like a black person who's walking nearby as opposed to you're black you're inferior to me piece of shit and then killed them it's so on the it's I mean on the nose is putting it lightly it's over so did Chester she went full captive bottle I was I was I was looking at chat laughing too because great club said she was on this short panzer that's funny it is funny but some Americans might not get it no no some non-Americans might not get it I get it because of too many American media consumption funny I like that that's good the but I don't they don't even give like it would be so like the idea that storm front is a secret Nazi experiment right it's like a meme it's very it's very very silly on the doors if it's very on the nose and she didn't she didn't check the witnesses by the way she didn't check inside the car in case someone else was there she just left it doesn't she have super like awareness too I don't know super racial awareness super power she could detect the non-whites she's super racist they should have had storm front make a 40 hour 3 part series of a white TLJ as bad in the in the comic storm front is actually and but she was created as like a counter to oppose homelander I believe that's what it was so she was actually it was actually a guy with a guy in the comics that's definitely thrown out of the show then right because she predates homelander so that can't be in the show yeah but in the comics homelander comes first and then the Germans create storm front to be a counter but after the war is over him and like you know the scientists and stuff they all defect to the USA and they bury the history of the moon yeah but in the comics the storm front like his history is there but it's not like super important it's not like he's just randomly pulling over cars and doing that like he's at least pretending to be a hero well you see what if the audience didn't quite get the message what if it was what if we got a character who had some bad experience with someone from a particular race in their childhood or some other reason that they became a racist that was you know somewhat developed in some way like obviously not saying it's right I'm saying but it would have been I feel like it would have been a lot more interesting if you had something like that like a backstory or something not just secret Nazi laboratory experiment because I was expecting it I was expecting to be like why is storm front like this what happened to her in her past what is what is her story and then there's a secret Nazi laboratory experiment okay well it's all set I guess so um that pushes us to possibly one of the cringiest things you can imagine which is a TV show making its own memes chat I don't know how to properly translate this to you okay like this is you want to know what I wrote down look it's memes you guys like memes right wait can we I need to examine the saving America lol I got the first one okay so I'll just that's the first one she has no sympathy for bitches that's barely a meme yeah it's not even like a meme also I don't even know what's the what's the context of that that she stopped the super terrorist I guess so yeah super terrorist was a man well he's a bitch now got tries to save city can't even save his reputation what's that that's I know right there's no jokes here well like these are the kind of memes where you throw them up and you're like okay these are group of memes like yeah I get to what you're trying to say it's just you just say it there's no point in having this be a meme just say he tries to save the city but he can't save his reputation because it has the same effect and it saves you a lot of effort and I think the saddest part is as he's scrolling through them homelander is very upset it's like dude I mean I'd be upset if someone was calling these a meme I would be upset if people were making these memes I guess you're right would you make such terrible memes it's an insult to the internet okay we try harder than this to make our memes efap memes are way better than these crappy memes you could go to almost well almost any reddit and you will find memes like a million times better than this saving America a little bitch what a meme what? I don't even know what it's trying to say I don't understand oh man they've even got a a spilling tea reference did you hear about storm front the tea is scolding sis ooh you know it's like yeah you can feel it in your bones my back is breaking from the cringe I'm just snapping in turn oh man next top quality what is even this what is happening here he's got a remote that scrolls through memes yeah this is one of the things homelander does homelander goes to the tower to their meeting room and this is his meme screen and every day he gets up bright and early checks all the new memes for the day he checks the memes make sure that they're all you know good all they're pro him and when they're not he gets upset when that meme screen oh man get some better screens dude those reflect like walls meme screens are meme screens deep fried screen deep fried meme screens there we go rangs laughing at homelander that's a great meme that's hilarious I I don't get it meme meme they even have the goal to have a meme about how good the memes are yeah you don't do that guys come on someone said excuse me rags this isn't the meeting room this is the meming room right you are this is the room that has the meme screen such oh my god they did this one see this is how you know that they've got their pulse on the sorry their finger on the pulse of the internet that's how you know man that one is so played out this tells you that the world is starting to prefer storm front how about that wow they like her because you know they do she's better at dog whistling you know telling people they should protect their country I guess poor homelander is losing a man oh god look at him I love how he's like that guy should be looking at me that should be me in the red shirt his eyes are like twitching from the memes the meme overload that's his weakness that is the contingency for homelander is memes like if this was posted online I'd just be like what I don't even understand most of these there's none of them are funny their shit the only one that is actually a meme and all the other stuff I don't even what is this a lot of these have the exact same font so you can tell the same person made them oh yeah they rushed these out they probably had some guys like oh I know memes I could make some really funny ass memes look at the crop on that homelander one that you've got on screen right now you can see the background over his shoulder well they gotta make him look genuine I love how he's like they're trembling with anger over these memes imagine the direction alright so you're looking at some memes and they're really good but it upsets you just through that this isn't even a meme this one that's mixed in the license it's not a meme yeah that's not a meme they just wanted to slip it in there because I guess it has storefront on it I think it's clear why because this is the following meme oh they trying to make this a sex thing but homelander was stronger than her yeah also they really want to do this with homelander but it's like the show is like homelander is very aware of race and sex it's like he is he doesn't seem to care that much that's not really what he's about oh boy I would need a reference to this go home homie go home homie you're drunk er drunk sorry I don't, what's the picture got to do with it Tim got his hands out don't you get it it's satire you idiot that's the point satire of memes this is satire of memes yes which are indistinguishable from shitty memes as it seems to be what the fuck yeah me and the squad on our way to respect storefront what what no most people are just like so what do we do with this what is happening oh god there's so many at once I can't even see all of the beautiful memes so these are terrible but of course they put them on screen real quick in the hopes that we don't do this that you don't pay enough attention to them the point is homelander is anti-meme wait maybe homelander is very very pro meme and he's a meme connoisseur and he's so upset that these memes are super shitty that they disrespect memeage that's why he's angry he's like storefront these people on the internet that like you have the shittiest memes we're gonna have to talk about this in case anyone's confused of course we know that he's upset that they're anti him and he's going to be happy when the memes are pro him it's just such a good plotline can I can I beat the dead horse once more saying that this is again the uh associating certain things with certain people in order to make them appear bad the kitten thing that I pointed out earlier this is just because I mean like look at what they did with like pepe and um you know okay sign and other nonsense right like they take things that are um you know whatever just funny humorous or neutral and then they associate them with you know in this show literally a Yahtzee so I mean it's just it's so transparent and again like I said earlier I think the show creators genuinely believe that they're being clever in trying to make this association and trying to like sneak it past people why do they they could have made better memes I do recognize well no because then the left can't meme they can't even make fake memes this is just more evidence on the huge pile of proof that the left can't meme is this show I think most people can't meme frankly I think plenty of lefties make funny memes it's just the I don't know plenty of righties who make shit memes I would rather say this is this is corporate memes yeah corporate memes that's probably better right this is what happens when somebody is totally out of touch it's I think it's the show writers being super lefty who made this show but right if they were super righty they would have similarly shite memes as far as I I don't know I laugh a lot more at right leaning memes I don't think so I think right leaning people are way more willing to be edgy with their memes and push the boundary you could be edgy and cringe you could be edgy and cringe sure you could but I think that if this was a right leaning show the memes would probably but not guaranteed but they would be more likely to be funnier I don't think so I think they would be just as terrible the fact that it's a TV show that's made by a corporation and this wouldn't have been like the show runners actually giving direction on this shit this was probably some intern who had to make this yeah I would say that completely disconnected from normal people life they're like this this is meme yes I was like yeah that's a meme this is how you meme is is it good meme? yes it's good meme alright put it in there like it could be caught one for you homelander with homelander smiling and holding like SJW on a fish I'd just be like yeah that's a meme no I blame an iride on this one I bet the right thing the thing is in Australia there's a you can you see a lot of like memes from people who vote for the liberal party and they're the liberal party in Australia is the right wing party for some reason but um like the memes are shit I've seen too many examples of every political spectrum some hate meme I don't think I don't think we're arguing that every meme on the right is good yeah but I think I think it's fair to say that the we don't think it's fair to say any though because we haven't seen all memes if you're only subjected like you have to see all the memes to know whether or not there's a a number of bad memes from any side of the political spectrum no no that's not what I'm saying like yes there's a lot of bad memes like from both sides I agree with that however what I'm saying is the popular memes the one that bubble to the top are made by primarily the Simpsons against the liberals is again a one here in Australia and it's a super left wing one and the memes are fucking hilarious so I don't know I feel like there's no there's nothing to say about whether or not like and especially in this case this is a TV show I think that some in turn they got them to make like 50 memes and they're like yeah these memes are good yeah the funny thing is I if you told me the person who made these memes is actually like I don't know they voting for Trump I'd be like I can believe it these are just cringe memes and also like chat you can't prove me wrong you would need to see all the memes ever and then calculate how many memes come from the political spectrum that's the point I'm trying to make though you don't need to see all the memes you only need to see the ones that bubble to the top the ones that be popular I think generally right memes are more funny than left memes that's a statement I can agree with that one but I still think corporate memes from the other side would be complete cringe I don't know I mean even like the shit Donald Trump retweets and makes his funny but like I would actually because of the reasoning you used earlier like the right are allowed to be a lot more edgy and so they will often have bangers while the left is restricted but they can still be funny but ultimately if you've got a production company in Hollywood behind it just like oh it's going to be so bad why would you even try the fact that it's in Hollywood means that you can't have a right leaning show at all and you also have to be very even see the thing is and we showed this earlier with Stormfront like the fact that she was even though she's depicted as being like this ultra ultra rassist she still has to be like really restricted like they want to show her as as as being bad but the same time they don't want to go too far because they don't want to actually offend people they just want to say okay yeah she's bad but we're just gonna you know like the what she did with the um Kimiko's brother and stuff right like she's not actually you know there are so like was pointed out earlier there are so many other words she could have used in order to insult him decides just yellow but they're not going to go there you know I agree on that one I just think that what's great but like this yeah there's no there's no reason screen disconnection to me rather than any political bias though I know of course that the show has a political bias I simply believe that the origin of it being a constructed made-for-money show is why the memes are absolute garbage tier but there's a lot of reason but this is all speculation we're literally talking about memes made by Hollywood that's kind of interesting right like that we're at that point also I can't show you all these memes they keep flashing too fast they they're all terrible what they did was they went to they went to stumble upon.com or something I don't even know if it's still around but they just found a random image and we're like huh is there a way that I could somehow turn this into like a storm front meme oh look a cat being fed a tic-tac or whatever what are they a smarty I'll just put a me on the cat and the internet on the hand and a storm front content on the on the smarty boom meme created next image yeah and and I believe it could very well have been that one person made all of those memes what's that a trash can I'll just put a picture of Homelander on top of the trash can meme created I'd like to believe like multiple people that these memes like a team of team of ten yeah no it's way funnier if three people worked on each meme uh you guys are just being divisioned I think it's people I think it's even funnier to realize that because that this is the show being produced by Hollywood and because there's like an editing staff and everything there was someone whose job was to approve these memes and say yep those are good let's go ahead with them I love those memes some great memes this is weird you think it's one of those things in shows where it reminds me of the batwoman um wikipedia coffee pasta oh god yeah you'd think that with all the effort that you're putting into the show because they are putting a lot of effort into it they have actors and sets and all the trouble that make goes make show that the easy part they just don't do just hire someone who's funny yeah just do that you'll be okay like johnson you have a son on the internet he can make memes right yeah tell him to make us some memes for a tv show he'll love it we'll put him in the credits tell all of his friends on the internet I remember this scene quite well because a prediction came immediately after it was over she's like hey I can help you with memes and he's like I don't need help when we were like right so something's going to happen that'll make him run to stormfront for help with memes that's the because the writing is on the wall as they say it's very clear what everything is doing fuck I forgot about this do you remember what butcher says that he's like ah fuck the kid like yeah wow fuck he's a soup that came out of like um I'm willing to let that be a part of his character but fucking hell yeah stupid thing to say like yeah just wow butcher this is this right in front of his mom and everything she spent a whole life with his whole life with her and he's like yeah whatever the kids a soup like what do you think this kid and yeah you know shockingly she doesn't want to go with the plan now because he said that butcher just not the sharpest tool in the shed as we learned from Shrek it's a possibility we had a good um we had a good meme detour there we did yeah a really we put way more thought into the memes of the show than the people who made the show clearly someone should call that section meme fap bizarro land or some shit I guess we're we don't discuss e-fap memes like we normally do on meme faps we're discussing a terrible TV shows terrible memes they get the e-fap treatment well we get a part 2 in the next episode I think oh yeah there are more memes I rate those memes a 2 out of 10 there were recovery memes aren't there there were memes that are made to help home my meme squad assault division how memes are considered to be this just universal product not product problem resolver where like a couple cleverly placed memes can completely swing public opinion on like literally any topic of any kind like no matter how no matter how vile or or vile they think that that's how Nazis work that they're mainly convinced by memes or Star Wars analysis videos I will these people think that if you're concerned with you know good scripts and if you kind of like your own country you're probably a Nazi or if you want to treat men and women equally Nazi just like the Nazis someone said this isn't character but it does kill babies so of course he would say fuck that soup kid it's like in fact that's more reserved for him to say fuck the soup kid rather than just hey hey old children so we are doing better for him he's developing speaking of doing better someone said Kara made this and sent this I think you'll like it and it is pretty great oh dude we got a fucking awesome meme guys check it out whoa this is actually higher effort because of the paper and the flag check out this awesome effect me oh man Patrick Willems is cycling through these stressing out with his little remote control buttons no not the memes turns out we here on EFAP have our own meme army oh man they got no chance now yeah thank you for such memeage so quick that's talent for you so yeah this is just a commentary on how if Butcher's plan is to get his wife out of there and he's willing to take the kid but then ditch the kid later why tell her at this point that you don't give a fuck about the kid because he's a soup freak like you might want to hold off on that part until a bit later because she might and she's like nah I'm not covered he's like oh yeah you think tactically you'd be like yeah maybe we shouldn't maybe I shouldn't say this maybe I could maybe I could hold on to that little nugget keep in my back pocket for later and so she wants to stay and he leaves and uh flips off the camera which sets it's gonna set up the next episode where Black Noir is coming after the boys and I'm just gonna describe this scene I'm not gonna criticize it here we see Huey and Starlight in the middle of a very busy street having a chat what that is saying why would they do that oh man this is the thing it's just beating you over the head with it every single time he's like you think if it was the once maybe we could be like oh they got lucky but it's like oh man by the way I made a note they say in this scene we can't afford to feel safe they say this where they are talking seems like they can seems like hmm so weird because the first episode they put all that effort into the meeting but then it's like someone else did this someone else man doesn't it suck being wanted it's like yeah it does suck lucky nobody recognizes us um are we actually able to escape episode 4 now is that it oh yeah the deep reveal happens they're giving him a wife oh uh homeland of kills doppelganger yeah yeah because the homeland are bad so he kills them so why not just let him leave yeah why not just be like yeah this isn't working out I think he doesn't want to risk doppelganger like telling anyone but I actually have another issue with this scene because we've seen that doppelganger he was kidnapped then who what doppelganger I guess so yeah in which case why didn't he try to escape I don't think doppelganger was captured I think this is something they arranged yeah I think it was a deal in which case killing him causes problems I know it's insanely because this is the same cabin isn't isn't this the same cabin that we go back to later on yes okay why kill him just say this isn't working out I just can't just doppelgangers corpse is just in the in the scenes that the kid is just like don't worry about that I do I do have a question though because doppelganger is capable of shifting his body to like dramatic proportions large small different shapes and sizes so he has kind of like a rubbery type body so wouldn't it be impossible to break his neck like wouldn't he just like shift a little bit and like it would be fine this is one of those arguments where all they have to do is say no it works the way that you see it work I guess when he's in a form of any kind he is now strong is only when he's transferring that he's floppy I don't know could he like try to transform if he transforms into someone with a very thin neck or a very stretchy neck I don't fucking know dude like it's I don't think you could stop homilander from killing you I think homiland gets you no matter what he could have just lasered him to be sure it just seems like not very smart way to kill a character that can stretch I don't see why you wouldn't want to just use doppelganger how useful doppelganger is I was like hey I need you to find out if starlight is in an instant we've already got a perfect use but no mind I want you to transform into this guy I want you to transform into butcher I want you to transform into Abraham Lincoln and say funny quotes just anything that could be useful or amusing like man someone said doppelganger might have faked his death to get away from homilander you can't fake stop your heart and obviously in case someone's not understanding he could hear heart beats so if you that would be tough for doppelganger will just stop your heart from beating well no he could he could change his body right so he can turn himself into the Grinch who as we all know has a heart that's three sizes too small which would be a lot more quiet so homilander wouldn't be able to see it boom plot fixed get fucked this show is actually amazing get oh my god yeah someone just said like imagine doppelganger turning into Huey I just that's what I just said I thought you just said to follow I didn't realize you said that sorry well I guess I was implying it I should have been I guess more explicit but I was implying that yeah he transforms into Huey's doppelganger so that homilander who is very suspicious of starlight can you know he can verify with what's going on what a shame what a shame well the problem is homilander would have to be intelligent for that to happen but instead now he just kills him because I don't even really know why he's mad and we won our shot of him standing over a dead a dead homilander in a dress that's all it was homilander has killed that part of himself symbolically yeah even though it doesn't amount to anything at least symbolically this actually this kind of goes into another thing that I kind of noticed with this season is they seem to have been killing off a lot of season one characters that they just don't want to carry anymore so you have Rainer the the CIA lady you've got doppelganger the doctor what's his name Vogelbaum or whatever he just gets taken out I think there's some others too the speedster technically yeah yeah that old the other speedster as well what's his face Alastair the guy who leads the church they're just like killing off characters because they don't want to have to worry about future plot and just slight the fuck out of this yeah we're not even we're going to episode five this oh it's such a disaster there's so much to cover so burst and write it and we got them filming the seven film and they're commenting on the writing and they just throw in yeah check out those Joss Whedon rewrites which you can't help they can't help themselves bad shows can't help but shit on him so all I would say is smug when you write and when I say write I mean your show being superior to something of Joss Whedon's caliber even if you're referencing Just Justice League like I feel like that's what they're satirizing referencing but it's so awkward because it's just like your writing is so shit like you think you're better than Justice League probably but I mean I'm just saying you're getting close I haven't seen Justice League in a while maybe I'm exaggerated but like oh boy it's just cringy to have your show be like I'm better than this other writer he's like careful just try not to do that when you're doing so shit especially when they're always shitting on his ability to do female characters when again Buffy Willow that's a list of every character in the show the problem with this is some people be like are they that good keep watching it it's fine but um yeah super awkward but you know good for like I imagine TV shows that are a much higher caliber like like all those haunting ones I guess do they ever have a moment where they're like we're better than other people like I don't think so they just kind of do that thing there was one it was one of the shows that red letter media watched on best of the worst it was some shitty monster movie where they actively like fuck around with a poster a movie poster of ET carry on so we can move right along are we up to the scene where Homelander kills that guy Justice League has nothing on this wait what's that story Wickevance said Justice League has nothing on this guys alright is this going to be another hot take episode what was just like I'm it's probably not going to be good guys alright I'm just saying with what we've been highlighting these are major issues do you really think that this is entirely dissimilar from the problems in Justice League do you really think so and also keeping in mind that again Justice League wasn't even even his movie in full so it's an unfair comparison well I'm more than happy to concede that Joss Whedon may very well be a horrible person and he's done horrible writing it's just funny to me you know he's done good writing though yeah like he's done some of my favorite writing and so when we've got like those Joss Whedon rewrites Joss Whedon with all of his bad writing for female characters despite having written some of the best female characters in any story ever I was confused for his cross-referencing Bojack there because they're going to be like hey the boys didn't say that Bojack also did that oh that was in the episode I saw no it was a clip that you showed in oh yeah I think I showed it to you oh yeah that was that was bad I hope the Snyder Cut is better than Justice League it has to be by virtue of the fact that they've got way more time it's twice as long if it's worse that would be unbelievable but who knows um but yeah satire moving on the assistant is like ooh homelander problem you kind of lasered someone to death and for some reason the DOD can't cover it up even though it's definitely less than 34% casualties of the area but RIP someone had a phone so the cone of silence is irrelevant to worry about but whatever um and this goes into like the whole both planes both of them should have been discovered countless other examples of homelander fucking well I mean in episode one that plane that he lasered would have had scorch marks we lasered it in half basically the deep tattles on him and he's annoyed at the deep for it but it's like more than the deep well it was you I'm gonna go down to the oh wait this plane how come the plane yeah exactly it's either telekinetic or an airbender don't know either way homelander is like ooh look at the big scary bad guy lasers him down which um already right before we even get to um also wow I didn't realize this the bad guy is looking at the camera when he gets hit by this camera so I guess that's fine but it's still a bit odd do you see the screen shot I got it just it feels like he's like did you get that because it's homelander bit annoying but either way it was weird to me that homelander describes this as his win like he wanted to get a win because of the stuff that's happening with the memes but he treats it so nonchalantly I'm just gonna walk in what you'd expect is for him to land and say stop like you can't do this to these people and then like he throws them and he goes no and then lasers like something off him and he's like you forced me to you know beat you down but these people are more important than your reckless vengeance and then kills him or something but instead it's weird that he treats it so nonchalantly he doesn't show about at all he looks at it as a chore he's like oh this is kind of annoying how'd I go what the fuck are you doing man you should do your opportunity to do what you love to do to get people to love you and to play up the show and all that stuff but I guess he just doesn't do that well because I don't know it's like he doesn't even it's the show forgets who he is what type of person he is all the time and of course this was before we had realized that uh he accidentally killed someone or grievously wounded them I don't know so that kind of destroys his entire career I would say yeah it's over well except for it's not at all let me ask you chat if there was one thing that could save you from being caught on camera killing an innocent human being arbitrarily what would be the thing that could save you and the answer is memes simple as that you just got to get a crack team of memos that's the universal fix well as we've seen already the memes are very strong so I'm excited to show you guys what the recovery memes will look like oh no so yeah that's a disaster and he's like he had to be shown that like I guess he just fucking didn't notice that he'd done it again very nonchalant he's not treating this as a super important moment for him to try and recover his public perception also not face at all but I think they could fly at him you know remember when that was like kind of dangerous for him oh so did we bring up by the way because it was among many complaints but I think we didn't so he can travel at the speed of sound meaning that if someone was trying to bring a buffs down on top of him the second he realizes anything like that is happening he can immediately move left or right yeah yeah so that shouldn't have happened piles on problems of piles of problems yeah because that's another problem with speeds does is it's really hard to surprise attack them not impossible but really fucking hard so yeah I think stormfront offers to help him out meanwhile butcher gets into a he starts a fight because he's feeling pretty rough right now being that his wife doesn't want anything to do with him which was his whole like motivation and he decides he's going to uh he wants to go somewhere right like he just wants to leave and he wants to visit his nearest I think uh I think so um but of course he squeaks a toy and that means that uh he recognizes it and they're able to put together that he's going to give that to his dog and mm knows where the dog is so they can head him off anything here about butcher just wanting to fight and beat up people well I'd like I said he gets himself into a fight because he's feeling down yes he just gets beat up and I don't know meanwhile frenchie is following Kimiko we don't know what that's about just yet so they do this the whole episode and just walk around everywhere and no one yes this is what people would be referencing I think is just the when does the things happen and it's like yeah we're setting up more things now uh so butcher makes it to the house they chill out for a bit I'm just trying to make sure we catch the the bigger events something about his visit to the aunt that doesn't make any sense is at no point does she bring up the fact that he's the most wanted man in the country responsible for killing still well and blowing up the house like she never even brings it up like it's just not even a thing um like if my if you know a family member of mine shown up and that person had been all over the TV like number one most wanted this and that and I would probably be like hey so um about the murders um question it's fine hey remember she's a criminal too or could be she's got her own secret drug supply so she's fine with him being wanted by the murder that's cool um we bump into a train asking for rewrites and the writers like uh no this is the plan and a train's like fuck it I won't do it it feels really weird in terms of a leverage thing because just like you don't really have a choice it's just sort of mad and it's like yes and I guess the writer does the right thing in this scenario he's just like yeah I uh I can't change the script for you this is not my deal so I'll see you later the only people who care about writing are the villains true hey um this is another one of these this is another one of these where they do the scene twice because he has almost an identical conversation with uh what's her face a little later on and she basically just says no you have to do it this way or you know whatever so like it just doesn't like when we have the second scene where he asks to have the lines changed with um I can't even remember what her name is Angel or something anyways like it renders the scene with the that writer guy completely pointless like there's there was no reason to include both those is what I'm trying to say they could have just had the other one with the chick where she basically says look you either do this or we're gonna out and everybody's gonna know you're a junkie and this and that and blah blah blah so like there was no reason to it feels like they're just kind of fluffing up these episodes like they're artificially extending them with scenes that don't need to be there so Kimiko like this is pretty good perfectly gonna sub up the uh we wrote it up before but the goal in this season absolutely gratuitous they're like Kimiko just shreds these people in French she's like whoa what's this about let's go in some way don't worry you know like someone comes into the bar it's like oh what are you doing here it's like I don't know drink maybe the uh the face ripping thing by the way is right out of the comics that's something that she does in the comics oh yeah it's just um it seems that the show wants that to be like a part of their thing yeah the first noticed it with um previously on for the season they showed all of the big gore all of the violent bits yeah exploding head well of course yeah there's loads from this season too um it's probably someone in chat saying uh she knows the the the the soups are corrupt she hates them too or whatever so that's why she wouldn't ask Butcher about killing people slash becoming wanted it's like no like he didn't kill a soup he killed wouldn't matter it doesn't matter even if he did kill a soup it doesn't matter he's a wanted like how does that not come up it's like hey yeah you're wanted that's pretty nuts I mean if for nothing if for nothing else you have to assume that because she has that uh extracurricular activity down in her basement she would be more concerned of having the number one innocent if she was a totally law abiding citizen yeah like she'd be like wait what you're wanted you like killed people you can't cut what no well she she's got her own pharmacy down below so maybe she does yeah a criminal criminal that's a way so I guess it's it's very similar to murdering somebody and the baby she shouldn't hurt shouldn't hurt so if she was completely innocent not doing anything wrong then she wouldn't really have any concern about you know the police whoever arriving at her house but because she is doing bad stuff no no no no she she thinks that this guy has been on the news and everything is being a murderer like this guy's wanted by all the police and he's been on the news report so he just shows up the argument being used is that she's smart enough to know lies from truth that he wouldn't have done that which for one thing is funny because he did actually do it at least with the baby and the second thing that's funny about it is the boys didn't they were all like oh my god is this true and it's like um remember grace doesn't grace is like oh did you do that you telling me that the boys and grace are able to believe the news but is is doddering all the odds whoever she is it's like nah I know his lies you'd never blow up a baby and he's just sweating like no I know not to trust but what a garble defense it's just like it just leaks out in all the different ways and I'm so happy to move on to this bit because the two times I watched this episode with two different sets of people all people um a laugh was had a laugh was had chat you watching chat you ready boom boom butcher goes to leave this is so monumentally bad I'm glad we're here now so Black Noir's goal is to kill the boys he sees that all of the boys are in this house he then sees butcher get out of the house get into his car and prepare to start it and he's doing nothing about it that's one problem and it'll become relevant as soon as we progress because it was clear that Black Noir's only intention was to fucking kill them second bed it again makes me laugh stealth 100 stealth so you're an all black dressed person sitting on a like a rooftop in a suburb it's so funny what the hell are you doing yeah the final fuck to not give is you serious you lined up perfectly with his wind mirror like fuck off like it's literally the center what is this and that hatches the rest of the episode that one moment this is what I mean about this sort of stuff like it can come across as tiny you can be like well who cares about that it's one moment where you see something in a mirror it's like do you understand how cataclysmically bad this is yeah the whole episode is yeah fuck not only that but it artificially delays the like what happens next artificially delays the confrontation because they don't want to have Black Noir confronting the boys right now because then they wouldn't have an episode so they have to when they do confront it's still fucked like none of it works so like here's the thing the boys are like the most wanted in the country like even if Black Noir went into the house and killed all of them he would be heralded as a hero like they would like wow Black Noir got three of the super terrorists and blah blah blah or whatever right like there is nothing logical stopping him from going in and just killing all of them and coming out completely justified in the in the eyes of the world plus they can cover it up somebody killing 63 people on purpose they can't cover up him just killing one person who might be innocent apparently there's a copy pastor at MISRIT said honestly I've lost a lot of respect for you your Star Wars videos were fantastic but you've really grown lax after interacting with all these jokers I'm gonna keep losing fads of respect the more I criticize things that aren't on the okay list and I'm just like that's how it goes well it's the whole kill to die on right die on any hill that's actually a position that you hold like I said it's just the Star Wars is not the only thing on the platter alright it's writing, writing in general what we've learned from how shit Star Wars is can be applied to so many other things and someone said isn't he just there to kill Butcher it's like it doesn't matter whether he's there to only kill Butcher or the boys as well he's doing his fucking stupid he's a superhero he could easily just kill Butcher and then walk away what are they gonna do to stop him and the fact that this looks like Butcher could have escaped here if he reverses and drives off I don't know what Black Noir can get there in time and if you remember Black Noir faster than a car oh he's faster than a car you're right yeah so I guess he wouldn't have oh fuck they shouldn't have said that they keep doing this wait no sorry I didn't know you did say that I'm saying is he faster than a car I'm pretty sure there's a line that says he can outrun a car I'm almost in which by the way another funny thing about the soups that are like resistant they really like to do the whole like go ahead try and use your weapon on me and look how pathetic it is which can make some sense of someone like Homelander I think but when it's Black Noir Black Noir does play around you know well he takes all of the booby traps that he's like allowing himself to be shot several times like I remember the fights he's just like too cool but it's like but you're not actually immune to these things you just regenerate really fast so you don't want to get hit by them this was a video game and we were playing as Black Noir and we set off all the traps in the building and got shot multiple times by the people in the game we'd be like I'm restarting I fucked up I feel like I haven't been very good at an absolute minimum even if he's regenerating I would have to imagine it's pretty painful unless he's got a pain power where he doesn't feel pain dude I love this shot they probably thought it was cool but it just makes me laugh I'll grab a few guys this is just beautiful he's just hanging out I think I actually stopped the episode at that point and just started laughing I love as well they call the fire brigade to cover their ass for a little bit to protect them from Black Noir I was like why wouldn't you try and leave now as opposed to battling him later I mean it's probably like one or two hours they're hanging out there and I don't believe for a second that no one sees seen the whole point is he can't attack them while they are there because that would be really bad for his image which is kind of funny right because then he just says see I've got the wanted criminals I've got them this implies that the Vaught heroes don't kill you in front of other people what do you mean the first scene in season one Homelander melts a gun into a guy's hand and throws one of them so far in the air when he lands back down he crushes a car they're okay with killing people immediately a couple of kids are like can we have selfies they clearly don't care so it's just funny that they think this will cover them but if they do honestly think it'll cover them why would they because you could argue that they were hoping to hide from Black Noir in the house which was never going to work because they said booby travels all over it so why would he assume you're anywhere else and said booby and yeah so why not try and leave when the fire brigade is there if this is what you believe it's all so stupid Black Noir is obviously still I think he actually they made him move between those two two scenes let me put that on screen if you look at it right now he's actually trying to hide behind part of the roof but in the previous one when butcher is looking through the mirror he's like just spread eagle on top of like right in the middle of the roof it is fun whenever we get a duality of chat duality of chat moments are great we see the duality of chat it's like the worst place to hide this is a robot just look at the chat excerpt there duality of chat and it always happens like right after each other it's so funny so next up we have but if you always agree so no there's an echo chamber shut up we're echo chambering disagreement that is the echo chamber so yeah, her mum is used as initially I think the goal with stormfront here is that she's found out that starlight was the one with compound v or fucking with it so she's trying to show that her mum is now leveraged she would kill her if starlight continues at least that's the point of this scene then we get this weird lesbian marketing scene I was just surprised that her mum was just able to just arrive there I'm just gonna chill and catering I imagine starlight's mum might get some yeah she would have had to have worked with vort to some extent to get compound v this scene is like figuring out how we're gonna market the vortisms which is weird the first thought I had was why the hell are you here the one on the left why would she have agreed to this and she spends the whole scene talking about how she doesn't agree with any of this and then leaves why'd she come I don't understand why she came why'd she come and of course Maeve is like damn it this is bad we've already gone over the main plotlines it's not important there's setting traps in the house there's a moment of who's got the big of bowls kind of and then butcher threatens to knock him down but then M.M. is like you're not gonna knock me down like damn oh and then we get the big reveal Frenchy finds out that Kimiko is killing people for money which does kind of seem like damn that's a bit with the he's not happy with it on a moral level does this come back up I forget I don't think so I think it comes up he has a reference to it doesn't he but not much is done with this outside of that I feel like the only reason they had it is to have a violent gore scene yep it feels that way with this show I don't know why Frenchy would really even be bothered by this I think he'd be really bothered by it well okay maybe in regard to Kimiko I didn't want her going down that path but with Frenchy's history he's involved in all sorts of smuggling and cartels and this and that blah blah blah he's involved in some really really bad stuff in his own history so the idea of killing some gangsters wouldn't even register on his scale he wouldn't even care I guess he cares only because it's Miko that's doing it they did set up that he has limits he doesn't like it when people are involved he's cool with supplies if you remember they're like wow you're people smuggling people and he's like they didn't tell me that that's not something he wants secondly we don't even know who's getting killed I think that's part of the problem for him they're supposed to be mobsters I have to imagine that they are probably morally dubious but does he know that yeah he does I guess if he's I forget how he finds out I guess this contacts with his people in the underground but I mean like in this scene where he's condemning it I don't remember him knowing it this far but this scene's funny because she's raging at him in side language but then you realize it's a sign language that only she knows so it's just awkward as hell because all he does after his big outrage is I don't know what you're saying yeah he's like I want to understand you you have to teach me so I can understand you I want you to teach me she's like go in that side it's just like what do you know he doesn't I guess she's just angry he's like oh she's so fucking awkward yeah he's like you know what I'm out of here I'm done I guess the show is also trying to say like I guess Frenchie is trying to not have her go down the path that he went down yeah maybe there's a lot of reasons why he would be a post to it I can't not have a problem like that he just be you kill him people for money yeah that's cool I'm cool with that yeah so I'm fine with this I'm totally fine with this scene I mean the acting in the show is good as far as I know it's kind of a shame that the material lets it down yeah it really is a shame so A-Train is watching the deep on the Church of Collective I'm assuming that gives him the idea to maybe start pursuing that what does Stormfront say in this scene no I mean that's plant in the seed is what I'm saying doesn't Stormfront say something about letting your kind into the seven then he's like yeah yeah it was about the crisis it was about the collective she says something about how I remember until they started letting certain people join she was like no soups well the thing is the collective would have always had non-soups in there so of course that's just that's probably a dog we're saw dun dun dun dun so yeah the funny part is we already know she's hyper racist so whatever so yeah this is the conversation where it's like A-Train stop trying to rock the boat just get over it and then he films his goodbye scene with the seven with a stand in for Homelander which is obviously supposed to imply how disconnected he feels despite thinking he was one of the seven which is like pieces of a potential arc but again A-Train is used in this season to facilitate plot points for other characters he's not really on his own pathway um talking about Gore Homelander slashes the crap out of an entire crowd of people yeah that was like oof in his head yeah you know I almost wish it were real at this point just a few more interesting I guess that would have been interesting yeah I would have been so batshit in saying at least it would have been yeah it would have shaken up the whole show but he only dreamed it he dreams about can I for a moment make a rage that it's probably going to be limited to myself and some others um can you put the camera on the military guy because that is the most jacked up looking stupid stupid soldier that I've ever seen he's supposed to be looking at his rank he's supposed to be like an E7 or an E8 which is upper enlisted it goes E1 to E9 so this guy is super high enlisted and yet he's wearing a beard which is completely not allowed like that's you would get in so much trouble for that on top of that his collar is folded up again like this guy is more jacked up than like a day one private fresh off the boss like to boot camp this looks like stolen Valor stuff yeah this is so I think one of the military not allowed to have beards what did you say a beard in the U.S. military you cannot have you can't have like a Captain Price mustache or anything like that you can have a mustache, mustaches are allowed beards are not yeah so the official reason is that when you wear your pro mask your gas mask basically you can't make a proper seal if you have a beard there's like a professionalism stuff the only time you're allowed to have a beard is if you have a medical exception or a religious exception because there's actually some I believe there's a couple of Sikh people that are in the U.S. military and they have the exception because they're not allowed to shave but other than that like you cannot know like this guy is so jacked up well are we missing the thing that I instantly pointed out I think was I don't think you're allowed to wear your uniform during political demonstrations no, no that's a big no-no so like this is so stupid what's infuriating is most of these movie or TV show or Hollywood productions they always have someone on hand who is like you know the weapons guy or the military guy the advisor right and even if they didn't like you could have like I guarantee there was someone on the staff whether they were an extra or camera guy or something that was prior service and would know that this is stupid and should have at least said something or you could be like even call like call up some like recruiter or something call up a base and say hey does this look right like you don't even have to pay the guy you just look at a picture of people in uniform and be like does ours look like that oh it doesn't okay let's change it I know most people probably don't even notice it but like well I mean I definitely didn't but then again I'm not American so but I mean I was in for eight years and like seeing shit like this drives me up a fucking wall sorry Ranto they just wanted to have a guy in uniform yeah the point of the scene is to make fun of people who say like I have the support of the military or the men who put their lives on the line you don't speak for us oh look he's wearing the outfit so he must be one of them like it goes that far I think it's like good job you did such a good thing and then him doing a flipping the beard at old homelander is what makes him fantasize about the animal and yeah homelander is losing it man he is losing it he needs the memes which is funny because last episode he was all good he was like anybody crack neck now he needs the approval of everybody it's kind of weird how his character development flips every episode yeah homelander is a big question mark oh man here we go got some memes hot off the presses these are the counter murderer memes opinions don't kill terrorists shit oh my god that doesn't even like what do you think that achieves oh badly wait who made that was that stormfront made that I don't even know if that's pro or anti remember it's her team of memas her meme team super heroes invade my personal space oh gosh they really did not want you to stop and read these so this one which I don't even follow exactly it's like I thought that they were going to make a public statement about how he admitted somebody it's like photoshopped what I think people have accepted it's real but I guess you could try that well they do that they do that nonsense in episode 8 too when stormfront is confronted with like the pictures and she says that they're deep fakes but she like it doesn't make any sense because she says it to starlight who was like the one responsible for you know so like she's going after the people that leaked it and she's lying to them saying that it was a deep fake it's like hold on hold on they know it's not like why are you trying to convince them maybe it's to account for crazy's on the fringe parts that are like you know what homeland is saying that he did it but he didn't even do it it's a hoax or they haven't decided on whether or not he was going to own up to it right we don't even get it's funny because like I'm thinking about how interesting that scene could be and I'm like well the show doesn't even do that they argue essentially that the memes covered all up and he's dandy he's accepted again some people literally say superman laser a kid through the gut and they're like man you know that was pretty bad but the memes if we can pretend for a second that the seven were like real I'd be one of the many people would be like I don't care how many people he fucking saves do you see his reaction to killing someone arbitrarily like he doesn't give a fuck yeah he's clearly evil yeah he's doing this for the fucking you can tell that from all the different videos of him live where he gets a little upset when people aren't doing everything he wants like it's so clear you think all that stuff would leak you know you think that you'd think it all the time but you see also that last one doesn't look like a meme it looks like a thumbnail for a youtube video maybe it is it's funny right because like you think about how how many games get leaked if game companies are unable to cover up that like a new Call of Duty is coming out how many leaks are coming out of what oh yeah what was the leak of the guy ranting the Batman guy what's his name black noir no the Batman guy the guy who played the actor the actor who played Batman yeah Christian Bale yeah he had that rant that got leaked and everything all this stuff happens all the time these leaks about oh this actor is actually a shitty person oh they're really cool and people want to spread that so like his attitude that's the thing like he's an idiot in the way that he acts yeah there's gotta be a tape right that is the Chris there's gotta be a tape that's just like no no shut the fuck up babe but no no like just shut me up you're fucking distracting oh yeah oh good for you how was it cause it's useless now isn't it I thought you meant like which of the heroes the one that looks like Batman or whatever oh no no no but um yeah so they hide in the basement they set a couple of traps for black noir and the plan if you can call it that is to hope that he doesn't find them I think but he does cause he's not retarded and then he throws a gas bomb down there so they have to evac and Butcher's like you guys go I'll stay behind which is like um so you're all wanted Butcher he kills you he'll kill them I don't it's a weird moment I was just like okay but then allow myself to get blown allow myself to still be hurt a little I think you'd destroy all the evidence in that house if you needed it you know it's a and you don't think it'd be pleasant either way yeah like just because you're a pervious to I mean it looks like it hurts probably and if not there's no reason not to do anything about it you know like I don't get it Butcher calls McCunt I think so that's pretty cool yeah that's pretty great so then the scene gets really funny oh wait did you want to say something else I was just thinking like if they're setting up these traps like okay so think about it how would you set it up like you would put one in one room you would put another on a door another on a window so it feels like it almost feels like like Daffy Duck or something like going through the house deliberately you know like setting off every single trap like because if he goes through the door and the first trap goes off does that mean he like goes out and goes through the window and like another trap goes off like what is he doing like how wouldn't they be placed in locations to maximize the potential for one of them to go off so how is he like going and setting off every single one of them it does it does seem like a especially because you only hear it you don't see it it sounds like and then you just see him walk in with his beak backwards or like his face backwards yes spin it back around like Daffy Duck and so yeah Butcher's like do it I'm going to attack him and I'm going to lose probably but whatever I'll go out fighting then then MM burst the door down and starts shooting Black Dwarf with a pistol what are you doing this doesn't do anything and I know that some people would be willing to be like nah he's trying to help his friends like no stop okay MM's not stupid this is like an enormous boulder is heading right for your friend and you're like I'm going to help you by standing next to you that's not going to do anything at all it doesn't even seem to annoy Black Noir but he just throws a ninja star at him and this is another interesting part it seems to do barely anything to MM like it doesn't come up and you can see it doesn't come up at all later and you can see there like that's barely in him but he's down for the count for the rest of this scene just that ninja star man nailed it yeah got him it hit him in the nerve it hit him in the turn off temporarily button the sleep mode button so he's out and then Butcher's like hey whoa whoa whoa whoa don't kill him which by the way Butcher is between them so I don't even know like you can just walk up to Black Noir he threw it around he curve him like a frisbee well what I'm saying is he can stop Black Noir by walking in front of the line of sight or he can say hey come and attack me I just like he's treating it like it's a desperate moment fuck he's gonna go after them I better shout at him to make sure like he's a dog Casey like if I'm loud he'll come for me it's such a weird whatever so he's about to start the fight again but then he comes in comes Huey with the doing the exact same stupid thing and he does the thing that drives me nuts when you walk towards someone while shooting instead of staying back because you have a gun so of course Black Noir just grabs the gun but then Butcher hits him and this is all this epic fight ends immediately because they never had a chance I don't know what the hell they were thinking um so that's it the boys die alright everyone thanks for tuning into eFap the boys have been over of course by the rules of cause and effect there's literally nothing that could possibly save them now it's over no one's in in range that could help them in Black Noir it's over a lot of people weren't happy with this ending you know 5 episodes season 2 and all the protagonists getting killed but yeah it's weird that they I just don't know why the writer insisted on having all the boys in the same room as one of the 7 it's just I don't know it just seems like a crane just what a stupid moon move I mean how could you possibly write yourself out of that multiple times over and over I guess her luck just ran out oh sweet I just had all the people here watch an alternate universe where things are even stupider so now we can review those episodes you see remember we were talking about all that blackmail turns out we've got another blackmail oh shit again wonderful blackmail so butcher says he has a photo on the cloud of homelander's son and he will release it if Black Dua kills Eddie what in this room man I would have opened with that which is funny cause if you kill him immediately he can't release the picture who cares if he releases the picture as like this is homelander's son what no we're expected to believe that vod is capable of concealing the true the true cause of what like a hundred and something people are trying in an apartment building but they can't like dismiss a picture of like some random kid that might look a little bit like homelander it blows my mind that this is something that they thought worked this is possibly the stupidest blackmail outside of the mave one it's staggering to explain the mechanics I guess we should start with Black Dua should know it's a bluff he didn't open with this had he opened with it he'd know it's real he only pulls it out once his friends are threatened but then he also puts himself in the hole you can't kill me either interesting if he did take a photo revealing a photo of un-calling at homelander's son to the world I don't know mechanically what that would do what happens next anyone got anything say the question one more time if that photo got released to the world and everyone understood it to be homelander's son what does that do mechanically next what is the detrimental effect of what I don't see that I guess this would so is it established in the show that if superheroes have kids those kids are not superheroes no in the show it's not believe that it's possible for superheroes to have kids but you had but the guy in the first what's his name he has a daughter someone said the fact that the boys are nerfed is a good thing the ridiculous plot armor ruined the creativity in the first season what do you call this this is plot armor what do you think happened with him in the sewer plot armor it's categorically plot armor crazy events happen to make sure they can't die is it also unrealistic that somehow the lens on the camera in black noir suit survived multiple point blank explosions you mentioned that I said it was really weird that his like his cloth face mask was alright that was kind of weird maybe his suit regenerates maybe maybe the suits the real superhero and the guy wearing it is just the stunt man my player is fucking up there are some cursed screenshots with these faces so yeah worst case scenario people now know that homelander has a son it's like okay my god the face best case scenario they're able to be like sorry who uploaded this photo it's like anonymous okay what does the photo say this is homelander's son okay why do we believe this well I don't know why doesn't matter these are able to scrub stuff off of the internet I just don't believe that anyone would give a shit at all but of course this works and they're all saved which by the way stad Edgar he's like alright let them go because they have that leverage it's like dude these are the boys these are the guys who keep fucking you over and hell bent on destroying vort you might want to deal with them yeah let the picture get released if these people are dead you're way better off than some photo that has no verification that's fine so not even to mention that butcher that black mark could just kill butcher and he would never even release it anyways so yeah we have to they forget twice to do that part of the threat where they say if I die it gets released they never do it but they treat the scene as though they have said it it's like you can't forget to say that you have to put that in otherwise we got more of the deep we'll just skip that and then Starlight needs to get into Stormfront's account now how do you guess our password you know of all the things it could be our password is Hitler she tries liberty but of course incorrect what a shame but if you're gonna have a password would you not have the clue right next to your laptop that you regularly move I think that makes sense I always make sure that I have that on my laptop so she has a photo with an old man and then I'm honestly unclear on where she gets the name from I'm gonna play it just so I have the right oh I guess she just knew the name it goes from her seeing the photo to just putting the name I guess she knew that woman was it was in the photo it's her daughter yeah and so yeah she guesses that and it works so much for the two capital two lowercase shouldn't put any numbers in there numbers and characters so it said the password is Hiddle woman's name yeah she gets in she sees a lot of references to Sage Grove which is like an institution for soups which is gonna give us the next episode so good job nice I wonder how many people in the real world have their password be something that obvious because it's a trope in TV it's more common than you think how common do I think it is I don't know but it's like I was a network tech for years and people got some people have some really dumb passwords it's like it's not uncommon like I would go to work on someone's PC and they would have the password taped to the side of the laptop or it's actually and obviously in the army a lot of security stuff particularly with the actual you have unclassified then you have top secret classified there's different levels and the unclass laptops and stuff if someone has their password nearby you're an idiot you gotta stop doing that but you would be surprised even with secret stuff dude and here I am like an E5 sergeant talking to a major or a colonel I'm like dude you can't leave that password for a secret machine next to it like no and then I would I'd have to go and tell my section section officer who is also like a colonel or something and be like dude you gotta talk to this guy you gotta tell because he's gonna ignore me but you need to drop the hammer on him because he can't leave this near it I think because in TV shows it's always people who should know better on extremely important machines well it's like the top secret you suggesting she has sensitive information to protect on that laptop that involves her plan to take over the world to a degree I mean I was I was hinting towards that I guess and she does seem like she's should be too smart for that I don't think she would forget the name of her own Nazis are smart rags I mean they got us to the moon I think it's less to do with what the password is and how more to do with how she found it so fucking easily yeah it's just kind of right there it's a good thing it sure is convenient that starlight went in there I guess not thinking there would be a password or banking everything on the fact that liberty was the password and she comes in after her like a few seconds after her second password guess like there's so many other ways this scene could have gone but good lord did it work out for her and yeah and we close out with butchers saying you're alright for an old bag to the auntie and I just find it fascinating she's blown the shit out of her house for no other reason than he decided to pop over there and he's exposed her homegrown pharmacy of which obviously will be found very quickly because there'll be cleanup crews and safety people coming in because a house in a suburb has just exploded so rip that woman's life I guess fuck her but she's fine with it it's fine oh I forgot there's the really awkward soup sex scene between homelander and stormfront where he lazes her and she regenerates question mark yeah I think she does but I think the more important thing is that he starts to use it at a low power and she's like you know stop being such a wuss so he like cranks out at like full power laser eyes and it does nothing to her whatsoever but then like later Ryan does it and it just chops her in half goes all Anakin Skywalker on her I mean we just have to assume his laser is more powerful apparently it's a youthful laser I assume he could control the power of it because that's what he does he goes full power does he go full power? does he just go harder than what he was I think it kind of looks like he's ramping up the power he's making it more powerful when she asks to have it be more powerful yeah either way it still doesn't really the stormfront release says she wants to go over the world I was more so just being general I don't really know exactly what her plan is she just wants to get an army of soups that seems to be it so it's a bit worrying whatever her plan may be I guess I don't know why you need an army when you have homelander in you yep seems like that's enough seems like you only have to convince one person depends on what an overall plan is I suppose I mean realistically they could fly into any countries capital completely eliminate all the upper staff for like everywhere and what are you gonna do to stop him he's invulnerable to newts even if you could what would you do like you launch it at him and he has super speed like he's just gonna get out of the way like you think he can't see it and hear it from like miles away like there's really nothing that they can do to stop him so up to this point the tracker and starlight has pretty much been forgotten but they decide they'll remove it anyway which is good you can cut open her skin with a saw easy but a 50 cal that has I don't even know how much more power behind it energy and penetration power and probably uses some specialized anti I don't know whatever round like I don't know like the people in the show don't understand this or whatever but like a 50 cal is like some anti material round you can destroy like tanks with a 50 cal like it is unbelievably powerful it shreds right through buildings like you know paper so the idea that multiple 50 cal don't do anything and yet like this little tiny electric saw is able to just easily get through with a tiny amount of pressure is just absurd James more said her daughter's name is Chloe her password is the name of a singer she randomly mentioned I'm 90% sure is that true I don't remember either way that is incredibly lucky I love all of the all of the memes in the EFAT memes channel oh no there's going to be a bunch of erotic memes isn't there yeah there is so these are great so yeah the tracker is no longer a problem which when we first saw this I was like oh god she's in trouble now and you might be like wait what do you mean more that's just the opposite of that isn't it it's like what do you mean the track has been removed it would be very unlikely the tracker wouldn't be able to send a signal out that it's been tampered with or removed and even if that were not the case the tracker whatever they do with it if they destroyed it it's gone and if they haven't they've just kept it in a box somewhere a vault will be alerted and one way or another the starlight is fucking gone and we can't even track it properly anymore this is a good chance she's either been captured killed or she's betraying us which means you send Homelander out to try and sort that out I would imagine Homelander kills her and then one of your 70 speedsters yeah that would probably be handy too oh I forgot the awesome scene where Homelander and Stormfront have sex right next to a guy they've just just what's the word for crushing a person's head he crushed his head even though he's a man with a gun and both of them are impervious to small arms fire and they're doing this they even rub the blood on each other there's people walking fast as well like you can see them down the street another instance it's getting tiring isn't it it's like yet again you guys don't give a fuck look at how far away it's surprising that these people even spotted this is two of the most famous superheroes apprehending some thug having sex and having murdered somebody yeah sex they got his blood it's like wow that's really risky guys but you go ahead it goes along with the whole he's just got a gun you're Homelander you are impervious to bullets you cannot kill him he cannot harm you I suppose he can it's just that a lot of people out there like us would be like wow it's kind of fucked up that he just executes these people on the spot he doesn't have to him in front try to rationalize it like oh he's just going to get left out oh we're on our way there oh wait you talk about something else in this scene they were going to bring him in and Homelander is like I suppose we should bring him in because that's what heroes do well you know with the way the judicial system works he's just going to get let out in a day or two and he's like yeah this is a shame the system doesn't work and blah blah blah blah blah so I mean they try to rationalize it but that still wouldn't just because they can rationalize it to themselves in a really silly way doesn't mean that everybody else would buy it but even that they're not trying to actually rationalize it they're just making it they just want to kill him yeah they're making a joke of it yeah evil superheroes funny funny so I'm glad you mentioned the Fringy speaking of evil superheroes in ruining things apparently have you guys seen the pictures of the new Batmobile I don't know for Batwoman have you got it so this is the allegedly this is the Batwoman season 2 the Batmobile hold on oh no what it's just a sports car with a really big it is so lame oh gosh alright oh it's so cute to see them try can you call that the Batmobile really I don't think so not really it's just like a regular stock car with like a sticker it looks like a hot wheel like it's just it does oh no oh my god that's so bad though we are very excited honestly there's gonna be so much hype for season 2 episode 1 I guess this is an upgrade from the the bike that was nothing at all so if you're bulletproof you might as well be on a Bat bike so you're more nimble yeah it's probably superior to this they're trying to imply that this is the best that Bruce Wayne could get done like this stickers on a what is this a Mustang or something a Corvette I don't even know what this is well who knows it's just a little bat thing logo on the front oh good job I can't wait I can't wait every day we get hours closer to Batwoman season 2 yep it's exciting um so yeah we just saw them kill a lot next up is Maeve not this isn't blackmail this is a bribe technically as a result of a bribe sorry the part we didn't mention earlier so Maeve has told the deep that he will need a woman advocating for how he's changed in order to win ultimately and he's like yeah that's right even though obviously Vought could just even though he has his wife Vought could just pull the arm of any of them like if they want him back they'll just tell you to do that and so you might think ah that might be able to get him to do some things yeah some things like bringing down Homelander like uh I don't think the deep would do that how was he meant to get back on the 7 if he's trying to take down the leader of the 7 not to mention that he's afraid of Homelander like he would never he would pick Homelander over Maeve any fucking day um but no he she asked him to go and check the crash site of the second aeroplane that uh Homelander brought down in season one and he was unable to find the black box some fucking how but he could find a GoPro no no it wasn't even him it was like a dolphin that found oh well that's sorry I should have clarified that that's what I meant by it blows my mind that he couldn't find the black box but he's got access to the entire ocean apparently and what I mean by that is eyes everywhere but yeah um is he limited to just like dolphin no because he can talk to fish too so does that he can talk to crustaceans as well yeah so he could talk to all of those they could be on the bottom what about like plankton I mean like I would assume yes I don't think they have a mouth to be able to like I don't well maybe that we'll know there's the lobster so I guess they can just like telepathically communicate I guess it's more about visual acuity as opposed to as opposed to uh yeah I mean it's just telepathy yeah that's the um the atom west yeah it looks fucking sweet it looks so at the bubbly windshield and all the curvy lines it is actually it's compared let's just say that wait what is this what's this the atom west that's the original oh yeah it's cool yeah it's very fitting for the time period well I know that the batman the new movie they have a batmobile which has a similar sort of uh profile like it's it's just a muscle car with a giant like uh rocket on the back definitely batwoman yeah it's just a sports car with a fucking some sticker yeah I remember the um the batman uh the batman and robin batmobile no christ that shit was wild now that is the batmobile it's the batwamin mobile I hope they bring back the great soundtrack please please please so super girl got cancelled right oh no super girl yeah it sure did didn't didn't another one of them get cancelled I thought two of the cw show ended uh and super girl has one more season than cancelled which means that there probably many of them are gonna have one more season and get cancelled I imagine yeah I know I know um alright so we're on episode this episode six so there's a go pro and if uh do you remember metal when we first talked about this you were like why didn't they just have it so that it was a black box why goes the lengths of making it well we gave you the answer black box doesn't have it I wasn't gonna let him do it alright the reason why the reason why it's not a black box when it could have been a black box is because it's not as dramatic in any way shape or form in fact the black box might not even give away everything you need to make it like a definitive thing um because of course nobody expected the crash so nobody found all of the evidence in the um the cockpit the homelander was there nor did they like anyone survive which was again these are problems with season one by the way uh not perfect though there was a go pro he's found it and the go pro is pretty damning it's got a perfect view of every horrible thing that was said and done on that airplane so some top tier camera we're gonna go pro it's pretty impressive yeah well we will see it come up in a very relevant way once we hit the finale um and then the deep is like hey join the collective and a train's like yeah I'll try it out I guess then uh we go to the institution oh man I can I feel like the ending is now in sight so the first funny thing I think that happened in this episode that was like already shocking the shit out of us was um when they all break open the uh sort of fence they punch a hole through it to go through um butcher considers shooting starlight it's really fucking strange alright yeah when he's on the it's so effective the first time he shot her twice with a 50 cal it is odd and I like of all the like here now right next to this compound you're trying to sneak into in front of Huey and everybody like now well because the point of this episode is gonna be that he has a newfound respect for it so we're gonna start out with see how much he hates it he even knocks the safety off his gun and prepares to shoot wait so transparent is that knocking the safety offer on I am not gunman um they would have him knocking you generally your thumb will I don't know how it is on what is he using an m82 or a well I can get you the shot you'll be able to tell from this I think is that safety on or safety off so that's that right there is off well yeah so you flip because he's gonna shoot out for anybody who's wondering he's got his sights solely on starlight he then turns the safety off he then continues to able to hear that decides nah and by the way he could have shot her in the eye and I would have killed her so yeah how about that so it's really odd too because this scene shows that he's keeping them covered while they open up the fence and that's it with his 50 cal yeah it's a really bizarre scene because you're like what what exactly is his like he's not really covering them it was more so because they want to have a scene where he considers shooting it that was the goal of that but they try and sell it to us as though they're gonna go burn a hole in the chain link fence we need you covering us with your sniper in case um you know some we got found out I guess he has time when this shows up and then you can shoot him and it would do nothing they're not even that far away like it's just such a weird moment but it's all to make it look like he wants to kill her which he does because he hates soups remember but yeah he jumps off the the van at that point it's just really really strange then yeah so storm front lies to homelander she's like I need to go and have a meeting in vort tower and instead is going to the institution really dumb to try and lie to him that way first of all because it's a lie and you can detect them but secondly because it's really easy to verify if you're in vort tower I don't know why she didn't come up with a better lie but of course they're setting up their big argument where she's gonna not suffy him then pushing on our team is trying to break into the institution because they want to find is it they just want to find something incriminating about storm front right yeah I don't think they're looking for anybody specifically yeah they don't know they don't know what the purpose of the facility is right now they're just trying to find out why they're going there unlucky for them the time and day they choose to do this storm front shows up they're like oh no it's all going wrong what are the damn odds and then something interesting happens that settles our eyes on oh wait no I was agreeing if this is interesting what's gonna happen a lot of interesting things happen is the case baby yes well this episode is not very good so well none of them are mm and frenchie and kameko come up with a very clever idea of we can break into security by telling the man in security that this patient has swallowed their tongue we need help so if there's any people in a hospital so if there's any people in a hospital that know how to deal with a patient who swallowed their tongue is probably gonna be the orderlies or the nurses not the security guard so why does he fall for this I don't know but he's like yeah okay I guess I'll open it up and um also do you work here yeah the no need to check ID you'd think a security room in this institution is meant to stay secret would have a little bit more care about security cameras all day seeing people come and go all the time like you like I don't know if any of you have ever had like a job but you notice that when someone news there and you've never seen someone before because you see the same faces all the time over and over and over and over again yeah I agree with that I still don't really get what the security guards thought they were gonna achieve by going in there but the security guard just wanted to help and look at how he's repaid so he opens up the door and Frenchie pulls a gun on him in response he goes to grab his and Frenchie kills him this gaffled us when we first watched it we were shocked by this Frenchie's we never got the impression that the boys were just cool with killing regular people yeah I imagine the arguments are gonna be he was pulling his gun now he works for vote in the evil institutions just like guys the boys are actually a lot more careful about stuff like this the thing you expect to see is someone like MM punch the guy knock him out and then tie him up in the room that's the kind of thing you usually do they don't have a taser they don't have a stun gun they're not gonna punch him in the face they're not gonna just disarm him they're not gonna threaten him in some other way they're not gonna anything else they're just like oh this guy after we pointed the gun at him first he reached for his so we killed him there wouldn't have been a reason for him to get his gun out if they wouldn't if they didn't pull it out there yeah if MM would have just punched him across the jaw or grabbed him or if they again no he didn't this holds it he's dead he's dead at this point Frenchy and MM and the others they don't know you could make the argument I don't know what the facility is yet if they knew about all the stuff in the facility after then I think you could make a different argument saying okay well this guy is he's partly responsible for all the terrible stuff that's here at this point also that's not how suppressors work that's movie suppressor it's super quiet they're magically delicious a suppressor still sounds as loud as it's still the same decibel level as a jack hammer like whatever not smoothy people forget how loud guns are I think this kind of reaches over into the real world where people are like oh what if he has a sight it's like dude it's still super fucking loud like it doesn't work protection for pretty much any situation a lot of other places in the world it's considered a courtesy to use a suppressor on your gun especially if you're hunting because it's loud however the other thing here that's interesting is that didn't we get a scene earlier where Frenchy was really upset that Kimiko was going around killing people and he was really upset you have a right that was some money so that's bad yeah whereas this was for for free you see those were they think that this could be just some loony bin in stormfronts here to check on some weird relative of hers that's just an institution or something they don't know anything about what's going on yeah this is all a shock to them when they see the soups so which by the way is something I find so interesting is you got this guy who's clearly punching holes in his cell like how is that sustainable it seems like that's a concern then there's one that's teleporting around and it's like I guess the room is built with something that prevents them from teleporting anywhere else that's strange and the acid guy can't like get through the doorknob yeah he can burn his own mattress which we catch him do for what seems to be the first time ever on this camera it's like damn I guess that doesn't work on we're highlighting some of these we're gonna come across a big issue regarding this soon so we'll wait till we get to that it's so funny though Rex it's just so funny these scenes were clearly constructed to be like see they're seeing this count this is these people didn't exist until a second ago when there needed to be camera footage of them that's the whole they're all little pieces for us to go oh cool they're Schrodinger's patients they don't exist until you observe them I'd say so they're all on pause if we're not viewing them and so the interesting thing is they see lamp lighter killing someone at what seems to be the approval of Stormfront and the big tiny reason yeah isn't it that he can't he's not strong he's not controlling himself well enough or something no he said he's not gonna do any other tests until he gets to talk to his wife or something like that yeah like I'm done doing your tests I want to talk to my wife and she just nods to lamp lighter and he's you know he just just incinerates emulation which is one of the stupidest ways to dispose of a body ever and you don't need a soup to do so yeah it's really weird you that room just has a corpse in it it's all crispy like and then also it's gonna get on the walls and it's gonna fill the place with smoke and it's the worst possible way aside from just chopping them into tiny tiny pieces mayonnaise maybe I don't know but there's some pretty bad things but this is up there in terms of most pointless ways to dispose of a body ever so with that knowledge they wow what is their plan cause they fuck it up I can't remember what their initial plan was was it just to escape they grab a bunch of the hard drives from the security room and they wheel out but on their way out lamp lighter recognizes Frenchy right that's what I was gonna highlight was that they intend to escape they happen to go down the one whole way that lamp lighter also happens to go down at the same time they don't try and cover Frenchy's head and they don't even like they just make no effort to cover themselves up even though they see him coming and they know exactly who he is like oh see M.M. is like oh fuck best look away and she's keeping her eyes on him and then Frenchy stares directly at him he opens his eyes and looks at him what is this shit look at their faces oh man I can't see it yet oh well I've gotta pull up like the episode it's so stupid and yeah they both immediately turn around ready to kill each other what a way to create drama so of course um yeah drama it's their little scuffle when they get into their little scuffle lamp lighter accidentally shoots at the door and he shoots at the door with this fire he breaks the door and lets out this crazy powerful soup I'm gonna get the shot so his fire was so strong it seems to have melted a hole through what seems to be like is that like eight inches of steel so here's the thing technically that door is meltable technically not with that little puff of flame no it's insane that they think that can happen like two seconds and it blows out the one you do not want to release this one is a an incredibly powerful telekinetic um for some reason can't escape the room on her own she needs someone to blow a fireball in there she instantly pulls all of the doors off of their hinges which you can't do that when she's inside of her room so they try to explain this later and it makes it even dumber because the explanation given is that she is constantly kept uh kept under with some sort of drug and it like limits her powers or keeps her in a sedated state or something like that so the excuse that lamplighter gives to stormfront is that some other doctor mixed up the dosage and that's how Cindy was able to use her powers and escape but we can very clearly see in this scene that she has complete access to all of her faculties right now so wouldn't she have just been able to do that herself like she didn't need the prompt of lamplighter burning the door and she recognized that or came out of her fog she could have just torn the door off but uh but yeah she gets out and lets all of the soups loose and then they are they lock the door on a dude who dies that's on you guys so how many deaths are on the boys this episode that woman this one dude they all work for vault probably they're evil I guess oh yeah yeah and then they get into the room and it's really funny because Frenchies pointing a gun at lamplighter and they're like oh this is a standoff it's like um bullets are really fast bullets are really fast so this yeah I was just gonna say I've got the shot this is not a standoff this is a hostage situation but lamplighter has not realized that yet iceman is the hostage yeah oh yeah we should probably call it on that's the one thing I do like about this is they made iceman pyro that's cool fireman yeah that's kind of funny um it's not so funny when he goes to vort tower to set himself on fire to fuck things up but that way we're jumping ahead well yeah we're almost we're almost at the episode that convinced everyone the show is shit yeah so um even though the show is already at critical levels here so yeah major collateral damage but who gives a fuck whatever that's fine um we're probably gonna skip over a lot of this now because if you remember they have a couple of oh I forgot so vomit dude comes in yeah he is able to break through the door he just burst through it I guess he threw up on the lock I don't know and so he throws up on lamplighter which he mostly misses him by the looks of things and then oh gotta careful he accidentally throws up on himself uh but how does that happen oh kimiko knocks him over it kicks him in the gut and he spits out a bunch of acid on his face that then makes his face what a shit power so now I want to make sure we're specific on the criticism right because some people would say how could you uh be affected by your own acid and it's like okay so if stomach acid went on to our like skin we're gonna be in trouble however this is a power in which he vomits regularly from his mouth which means his lips are always gonna be like this stuff is always gonna be an acid yeah and yet his whole face including his lips and mouth are all burning off like how is this not happened before yeah I could I could make the um I could I could accept the fact that like his eyes and his nose and other parts of his skin but not not his mouth and not as but his teeth are going in black so how is this happening I'm sure vomit's gotten on your teeth before buddy also his t-shirt is unaffected oh yeah what is this show like yeah and also if Kimiko kicked him in the gut her foot probably would have went through him she's really strong and clearly he's not she pulled her kick there she pulled like a pull up I like how she pulled her kick so that he died a much slower and painful death yeah the heroes the heroes who have now been responsible every death that's happened in this building is their fault like there's no getting around it that's on them they let the person loose who let all the other soups loose speaking of collateral damage ring they let a person loose blows away the van that he is not seat belted into and thus gets okay no he's okay he's not okay oh sorry no he's not okay that's right I totally forgot he got stabbed in the gut yeah I don't know how it happens I'm so confused by that well the guy blew the van over and there must have been someone sharp in there and you know life finds a way but uh fine and then so Butcher kills the telekinetic there's a lot of telekinetics I've noticed yeah it speeds us um easy on the CGI budget true and yeah and so Huey is injured and now the clock is ticking on him bleeding out to get him to a hospital which should immediately raise you guys eyebrows like what do you mean get into a hospital you can't get into a hospital you guys are wanted fugitives that's no bueno as soon as you go to the hospital you're done game over yeah that's that's his wounds kind of unclear exactly how bad it is but I guess what I would say is the more like he is surprisingly okay because you know he's got the thing in his gut but I feel like his neck should have been snapped or something else you know he's he's in a lot of trouble he was just in the back getting flipped over like three or four times the um the thing that more annoyed me about this scene is that they now I believe this is the first time when they acknowledge that starlight needs nearby electricity in order to use her yeah now in previous episodes she has been able to affect it like we see lights get brighter and dim but I always assume that was a result of her using her powers and having an impact on the surrounding environment as opposed to her drawing it in and I think it's really just kind of a cheap cop out for them to say well I can't use my powers now so we have to you know here's an extra situation when they could have brought that up at an earlier point in at like not even this episode like anytime in earlier in the season or in the previous season where they could have brought it up where it would have established okay this is an issue that you will have to resolve later but instead it's just like oh we need you to cauterize the moon oh hey whoops I guess I can't and it's probably worth mentioning that she could have used the battery power from the van doesn't matter that the van is damaged there's still a battery in there all their phones could use their phones all their phones yep well Mario drag him closer to the building yeah but of course you think there'd be power lines nearby maybe too or under the ground what's that inconsistent power slash intelligence in the boys no way the next scene is when homelander burns down his own trailer yeah I feel like you don't need any context for that so people who are listening to us right now haven't even seen the season they're just interested in us covering it welcome to the next scene homelander destroys his own trailer why well because he's bored lots of people I think I'm not sure anymore I think there's like people around and they're getting card away maybe oh well he seems to have like if you look at this shot it's like how much damage is there Jesus look at this fire trucks how you gonna cover that up somebody's probably gonna take a picture and say hey no he did remember he said there was a chemical fire yeah yeah yeah just fuck it whatever good old homelander yeah and she's like that was weird and then he's like you lied to me you went and bought tower and she was like oh shit and then he has a moment of like I'm gonna kill you maybe and then we'll have more scenes about that later another deep scene oh this is but it's about it's about a train isn't it yeah they say a train can't come back to the seven through the collective because stormfront doesn't like black people basically alright yeah but they do well that'll come up again we'll come back to that so kind of looking to skip most of this we can summarize it as we get a flash Frenchy back story yeah we flash oh god yeah they make fun of it in the show but a lamp light is a weird one in terms of his outfit and choice of fire source yeah just a giant stick with fire I can't believe I'm saying this big cumbersome X-men 3 the last stand pyro's source of fire is pretty cool yeah a lighter that's just on his wrist yeah two lighters in each wrist and he like cracks at them with the wrist to make them activate and then he has his access to fire that's way better than I carry what seems to be quite the heavy staff well alchemist did this better oh yeah well that's how he used to do it right the lamp light I had a lighter in this episode that's how he does it in the future I guess well it's the old one I'm comparing it the heavy cumbersome silly massive staff I mean in fairness don't advocate here go for it remember remember that he's a member at this point in the flashback he's a member of the seven and a big part of the seven is the PR and the costumes and over the top and stuff so it's practically it's ridiculous but it's meant to you know look you still think he'd have a lantern or something that wasn't so much well hey as some people said in chat they laugh at it it's goofy in universe so there you go yeah I guess oh boy can we talk about the next scene it's the really bad one right that's gonna take finally we're excited just making sure we're all covered the frenchie plot line we're not gonna get all of it yet but that's just setting up the boys once upon a time were such a great little team and they got lamp lighted to do something that they want that's we're gonna come back to that but first go ahead and introduce a way the starlight walks out of the forest onto a street and hails a guy down he doesn't recognize her which again you know but she says that she needs a ride and then like butcher walks out with a profusely bleeding Huey over his shoulder the guy gets out of the car obviously it's like it's pretty surprising that there's a dude in the middle of a forest with blood pouring out of a water in his chest and naturally he is concerned about that but I think the key thing is he says they're like we need your car and he says I'll take you to the hospital and they say no we need your car instead of accepting the ride just want to clarify he's in one of those moving vehicles that have four seats and there's four of them so just want to put that out there he has often to take them to the hospital and they say nah we'd rather go to the hospital on our own without you even though it's your car this isn't suspicious at all I'm FBI or whatever it's funnier than that to me because of the fact that he actually does something that we would do which is so this is the middle of nowhere I don't want to be left here do you mind if I come with you do you mind if I come with you as well I'll take you to the hospital I'm familiar with my vehicle I'm doing what most people would do and I'm helping you out Butcher walks away puts fuel on the ground and through doing so reveals the concealed weapon underneath his jacket and so the guy sees that decides to pull out his own weapon because now he feels like he's in danger which I think is perfectly reasonable absolutely reasonable and he's pointing the gun and Butcher's being all calm and collected as usual and Starlight's just standing there she's like don't yeah she tells him no she'll handle it and she demonstrates how well she handles it but she fucking shoots him with her fucking powers over the car and of course when we saw the citizen it's like oh he's dead you killed him obviously he's dead and that's our scene she killed him he hits his head hard he's bleeding a lot at times she runs over to him there's already a lot of blood coming out of his head even if he doesn't recognize her at any point during this entire fiasco she could have simply said I'm Starlight, I'm a member of the 7 and if even if he doesn't recognize her she could just like do some glow as many things she could have done she could have just stepped in front of the bullets if he was going to shoot just step in front of the bullets and punch him down you are really strong after all but you're as like right after she does it like good move that was those excellent what the fuck is wrong with you you shitty character he's a great character he's the kind of guy who would blow up yeah so she's pretty bummed out that she's just killed a person I kinda wanna skip to the next scene because this is all connected but of course if anyone was curious as to what the problem is she's a superhero that's immune to 50cals in terms of she didn't put her hand on the gun's barrel she didn't stand in front of the gun to prevent him from shooting butchers she just killed him it's like good job isn't there a picture of like his kids or something in the car as well there's a baby carrier she finds the baby carrier he was a daddy she's a piece of shit but anyway it's funny how we can keep these rankings going but I'm pretty sure Starlight is now worse than Batwoman because Batwoman usually lets people die doesn't personally kill them Batwoman did kill creepy skin man but at least he was villainous he wasn't a totally reasonable innocent person who had just offered to help you yeah this is real bad this is if Batman just kills a guy this is what it is so this is the interesting thing you can see it from the shot here oh shit so she's killed someone it was stupid how it happened but fuck it she's killed someone we talked about a lot of this in the Batwoman episode we were like this is classic for superhero or just a fighter type character who's pretty honest in your show when they're anti-killing but they've killed someone through happenstance oh dear we talked about this with the trolley problem stuff we're like you want to challenge these characters what happens next and so we cut to a different scene I think until they come back and funnily enough I know this happens because I was actually in a coal where Voodoo was showing Theo this and Theo couldn't believe it he's just staggering so the butcher gives her a look of approval and she's like fuck you I don't want your approval which in a better context could probably work in some way shape or form but so their relationship is growing at the cost of her basically saying that guy got her in our way so it's whatever yeah she like she doesn't really seem to have as much remorse she's fine she feels like a little bit of the sad but at the same time she doesn't seem to really care all that much and I think one of the lines is she even I think she even tells him I think she even tells Butcher that she didn't really feel anything I'd have to go and rewatch it but I think she even says that she doesn't really feel anything about him dying it's just kind of like meh someone said didn't a bad woman kill someone on the stairs I think she only hurt that guy if you remember he fell and broke his neck hit his head and she panicked and then she could see that he was breathing still and she went oh fuck oh maybe he fell down then there was blood everywhere oh so that answers that but I just want to get back to of course Theo brought up which is the obvious problem Butcher just witnessed a soup killing a person for no good reason and he's happy about it oh shit yeah you're right fuck that is what we call complete assassination down the toilet you go Butcher I didn't even think about that I was too distracted by her being a murderer yeah sorry like when nothing alike it's like well you know what you're pretty much I mean you just killed a guy yeah sorry there was so many things to pass through there that I forgot the big fucking problem he shouldn't be approving of it at all sorry my bad thank you see chat you're a good man you get credit for that one even though it was a specific person it's chat now does Huey ever acknowledge any of this this doesn't get brought up again does it I don't think it ever gets brought up this should be season long material we ain't got time for that shit so I guess not in between all that shit we've got another scene where we find out that the reason lamplighter was able to kill Grace's kids without Frenchie being able to stop him was that Frenchie was busy that night dealing with one of his friends ODing to the point where he had to save their life and then this is so fucking bungled so first of all the incredible coincidence that of all the times and nights that you could have had an OD it was now then secondly that Frenchie needs to leave and he doesn't tell them that I have to go and save someone else's life potentially and they like shit on him for leaving at that point despite the fact that he came and saved them and then it turns out that there's this level of guilt that Frenchie has because he thinks that if he had stayed that night that guy might not have ended up ODing again a month later because he by not staying with him that night the guy left and they didn't see him again until they found out he'd ODed and killed himself what a bizarre series of events it sounds like he's got a serious drug problem yeah it sounds like well do you remember we didn't bring it up we skipped over it, bad, bad dialogue there's lots of it this season when Frenchie is sad and hanging out with his the French girl she just we were watching it and we were almost baffled she just lets out that you are trying to do good things for people because you want to make up for the bad things you've done oh yeah that was a scene that was very clearly exposition for the audience we were all like wait what when was that a thing do you remember the introduction of Frenchie where he's like this crazy gun-toting drug doing maniac who even tries to almost kill Butcher and Hewie for being on his property and then he's told that he's got no choice but to help them now because he's involved yeah this is the guy who apparently must help people because of his past sins yeah he sells he sells weapons to warlords but he also works at the food bank on Sunday it's hilarious and then of course you'd be like wait isn't this whole history why him and M.M. have a huge disconnect and why Matt Grace has a problem with him it's like yeah so why didn't he tell them this he just didn't and they're all like why and he's just like yeah that's just not so and I told you guys probably should have he kind of answers everything so you guys remember all the way back to season 1 where M.M. and Frenchie have this huge unspoken of history where something went really wrong and they had to move past it in order to defeat the boys it was based on a misunderstanding that was a great payoff we had to wait a season and a half to find out it was like oh that yeah we're cool I don't even know like why they did that what a waste of drama take care of that oh sorry I flashed ahead to the giant penis yeah so that's her I have a playing here very funny very funny penis man's trying to attack they knock him out I think we've gotten past most of the Tism for this episode right quick thing on that guy what the hell is his name I can't even remember Love Sausage that's his name that's actually a character from the comics he has a completely different set of powers he's basically just a generic super power, super strength and vulnerability that sort of thing and he's also friends with the boys he helps them the people that helps go after the seven I think it's interesting because in this episode we have Cindy who is a character that is completely new didn't exist in the comics at all super power female character and they take a very important male character who's friends with the boys from the comics and they just reduce him to a 20 second comic relief and I'm sure there's no hidden agenda removing an important male character and replacing him with an unimportant female character actually while you were explaining that I was skipping to the right place I thought to myself wait how is it the Stormfront defeats hyper telekinetic I don't remember and then I played it I don't know why but Stormfront entering the building makes the light from outside doors in this way that just like it's blinding like I'm going to pause at it this is the first shot, look at that's her reaction to it she's like the fuck and then we see it and it looks like this what the hell is happening in case you guys can't see it I'll screenshot that's some intense light right there wow that's bright so of course she can't see shit and before she can react just electrocutes the crap out of her and she's knocked out very well written because of course if she'd walked in normally and then the telekinetic exploded her that would have been bad for the plot yeah possibly just you can learn a lot from the boys in terms of how to write real good so anyway Stormfront's like what the fuck happened Lamp Liar tells her it was all like an accident and then I want to say that's about it for the main plot of the episode because he escapes with it I wonder if you know what should we let chat figure this one just see what they have to say I also want to see if they can pick it up just from this image look at this image what's wrong here yeah here we go once again we've been talking about it a lot three incredibly famous people no you're supposed to let them guess it's alright that's probably enough time for them to have guessed at this point um I hope so staggering someone said stormfront abrams yeah those are some intense slits it's true yeah it was funny because when we were the part where they steal the car from the guy as we were reeling from all of the mechanics of that what even is it going to do going to the hospital anyway you guys are going to jail if you do that but no just this is fine he gets some really important serious treatment done saves his life I'm guessing he can afford it don't even want to get into the specifics of that yeah let's just take a look at this wallet in your pocket oh shit and your two friends are oh my god there's actually one more stupid thing at the end of the episode oh yeah just to make sure just to make sure we clarified on this one is just that their faces alone should be recognition enough especially starlight and the most wanted but when you pull up any information on hui he's done they would know exactly who he is they're all arrested too bad so sad but then we move on to like there are still more yeah there are still more tizas I just the next episode yeah not the next episode the next scene what's elaine or whatever elaine she reaches she goes to get like a charger and it's next to the gopro or something oh no yeah it's connected to the gopro and so she opens it up and just immediately watches the video and says good job Maeve excellent work just dropped it in a random draw no security whatsoever it's almost as stupid as someone like I don't know Stormfront having like a series of files that out here is a Nazi in her trunk in her room like could you imagine how stupid that would be lucky everybody in this fucking season is a genius so yeah she just finds it she casually is interested she turns it on she watches the whole thing and yeah so she doesn't trust Maeve very much I don't even know if that's the repercussion she just says she's afraid of homelander doesn't she but the thing is like but in episode 8 she says you're gonna leave Maeve and elaine alone it's like wait what are you what I thought it was over I thought your relationship was destroyed by this hey guys we are about 8 minutes from the scene we're almost there haha oh no my body is ready so yeah they have a bit of a back and forth big sad so bad like I said that's gonna come up obviously later that video here's a fun little thing they have a general trivia that the footage was stitched together with new stuff so it wasn't planned this whole oh I never could have guessed that I checked the scene the guy isn't in the scene that he would have to be in to be able to take that video it's a retcon good job guys always proud of a retcon why would you put in the trivia that you didn't plan in this I guess they thought it was impressive it's like isn't it impressive guys that we managed to pull this off no I don't know you can do anything with computers it's more impressive what you do with writing lamp lighter plot wise it's like yeah okay I'll be on you guys' team I'll try and help you because Grace decides not to execute him which kind of surprised me to be honest yeah I'm surprised too especially because the way we're introduced to this character is him emulating someone alive yeah he's done a he's got a whole list of evil doings but he's feeling kind of sad about them and so he's spared man what a what a turnaround for like 30 minutes of your life just to realize that you're a monster well frigging how else can we set up the horrors of episode 7 the absolute shit fest that is episode 7 well before you before you even get to episode 7 at the end of this one Cindy escapes and she's probably going to be a character in season 3 but the thing how she escapes makes no sense because when she gets incapacitated by storm front right she's left like unconscious in the middle of the opening area and then storm front comes in lamp lighter they have their little conversation they go off okay so at some point later lamp lighter leaves and goes with the boys and they head out but why okay so Cindy is not dead she's still alive she's just unconscious why would they just leave her there so that when she wakes up she can just stroll out the front door wouldn't they like heavily sedate her and stuff her back into a room so that she can do what but she would just say what would that change because she escapes at the end of the episode she's seen yeah but from the boys perspective no no no it's all about storm front and lamp light yeah so yeah while storm front and lamp lighter are still there like wouldn't they make sure that Cindy is put like put away she's a major security risk yeah because after all remember storm front believes that Cindy is responsible for the entire incident there because lamp lighter blames it on some doctor screwing up a dosage so Cindy got out so it doesn't make sense for them to just leave her lying unconscious and not secured so we're supposed to believe that storm front leaves and then doesn't do anything with Cindy or maybe she allows lamp lighter to take care of it because maybe Cindy's still unconscious but the thing is remember lamp lighter now has this big change of heart where he wants to do the right thing and does that include leaving Cindy the super dangerous person to just wander out and where she would do incalculable amounts of damage to the population like even even if he decides that he's going to go with the boys he would still in his new kind of you know I want to be a good guy point of view he would still say okay we need to throw this chick into a secure room and sedate her so that she doesn't go and just yeah so like there's no situation where it really makes sense where Cindy would just manage to get out like she would have to be either killed or sedated once again but somehow the plot needs her to escape and hitchhike so she does yeah so that she can be a bad guy in season 3 or a good guy I think a good guy I think it'll be a good guy but I think she might end up fucking joining the boys who knows well like I said earlier the character that she's effectively replacing in the show is love sausage so it is possible that she could kind of try to take his role in helping the boys go after the 7 right I feel like once she's on their side it's over she can crush them but before you forget in the last episode there's our yeah she's a Nazi still in front of Nazi I think she says we're in a war for the culture you can't not read the modern political landscape into that it's really impossible to ignore that line specifically the funny thing is I think when Rags and I were watching this we wanted the Hitler picture it's like come on give us the Hitler picture so bad we had to wait for it yeah you have to wait until episode 8 to get the Hitler picture I was so ready for the Hitler picture of her next to Hitler well they baited she's like everybody was intimidated by the one bad in the room and she's like Friedrich or whatever okay it's weird that she says that it's like the minorities are taking what's ours you're German, you're not American like what are you talking about or are you just talking about the global scale but that yeah whatever you didn't think it through at all this is a good checkpoint by the way before we get to what is considered the bad episodes now because we're on the cusp how are you feeling chat have we convinced any of you or do you think we're still if you say most of this is nitpicks I swear to God my brain is going to explode it's okay let them have an opinion I agree chat Hitler bait if you're going to bait me if you're going to tease me with Hitler I better fucking see Hitler but to their credit we do see Hitler later they just made me wait for it I had my laugh I laughed so hard my heart left with joy because of this show you see there she is with Hitler in case you guys didn't realize that she's bad someone said why pretend most of us like this we got loads of pushback we're the hot takers for this one I had to go through this with a whole bunch of people I'm convinced that people think the boys is good because everything else available is so much worse I don't agree with that I think that this show is bad I think this is actually pretty bad other people think that the show is good because everything else is so much worse if you compare the boys to the CW right now if you're looking for superhero it ain't that much better that's what I'm saying people thought we were being too hyper when we competed in Batwoman this show is like someone in the chat only rags in it it's like fuck off what do you mean what do you mean what do you mean my dude get dabbed on a moog sorry I'm used to accept the dab someone just brought up the Mando effect people like the Mandalorian and they thought it was really amazing just because the last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker I know boys are like 3 out of 10 so most my point though is that it appears to be better and that's why people think it's good I think it's more based than that I think it's just that these high concepts appeal to people just in general these are cool ideas the concept of this show carries the fuck out of it yeah space bounty hunter adventures and evil superheroes are just two cool ideas I don't think it has anything to do with the quality of the shows because neither of them are good at all and I don't think they even stack up well against what's coming out at the minute NCIS season 20 is probably better than this and that's like our standard sort of TV content is probably a lot better than this I don't think it stacks up well relative to a lot of other content at all I would agree I think the reason for this is that the concept carries it and I think a lot of people just they go in wanting to like it really wanting to like it and so that clouds their judgment I wanted to like the shit out of this I was so sad it was so shit I really really wanted to like this show yeah I did too this is my jam like fucking commenting on the stagnation of superheroes in terms of people's work on them to a degree it's like yeah okay cool but when you're like worse than the thing you're making fun of it's like this is just awkward now embarrassing I just like that in a lot of people's minds this is categorical the captain marvel is way worse than something like this and I'm just sitting here like I don't know it's not that much worse I don't think I mean this is really bad guys yeah in terms of the sheer amount of bad the fact that the teacher this is before we've touched episode 7 we ain't even at 7 yet yeah because like if you think about everything it's like okay production values put all that to one side let's talk about the writing has any character come out of this unscathed? I don't think so oh yeah the tic is dope you guys should watch the tic it's way better and it's also commentary on superhero shit you are facing the tic don't waste your time with the boys season 3 it's gonna be even worse than 2 probably though we'll probably watch it because I like watching garbage bin it's gonna be funny the sad part is that I I want to see what they do with homelander still I want to know how that story's gonna end also as people probably noticing I've got a screen up that represents the next discussion real real real quick on all of my reviews and breakdowns for the individual episodes all of them have like a 90% plus like ratio except for 7 where it craters down to 67% and then episode 8 it craters down even more to 61% wow people were upset pointing out how much dumb stuff was in these 2 episodes coming up I think you get these people and you just want to ask them what was wrong about what I said just tell me what was wrong or do you just not like it that you've been now you know it one of the comments that I got was it's a fictional show it doesn't have to be realistic so it doesn't matter if things don't make sense if they're not consistent it's like no people who say that are pathetic I don't know what else to say wow what if they say you're pathetic well then they could be wrong check me that is what we call a stalemate no one could be proven right let me see if there's any general trivia for this retarded scene alright alright this whole scene has to look into it hahahaha this scene pulled I would imagine millions of viewers out of the show they would have been like woah the amount that doesn't make sense so why don't we go over what was intended first I suppose the idea is look at this normal person living a normal life, in a house, loves his mum goes to work look at him smiling walking past someone just like hey ignore the fact that he's a fat neck beard that's not important he's living his normal life he sees on the tv a bit of stormfront he's got a stormfront he's got a stormfront poster but it's all normal it's all within the bounds of normalcy nothing suspect here he could be you could be this guy okay it's kinda sus do they keep having clips of him looking at women being unable to talk to them just saying hold on I'm gonna play it again I think one of the women kind of rebuffs him a little bit or something yeah he's the clips are so fucking choice what else can I say when he gets home that night he's just perousing perusing reddit he sees a couple of memes perousing yes I wanna show chat the meme he looks at cause I showed gary it was so fucking funny is this the one or die yeah that's the meme it's such a funny fucking meme we're a great meekly do you know where this is oh jeez I'm trying to find it if you can find it just post away cause chat gotta see this top tier meme oh well it's one of the times he's on his computer yeah one minute 44 seconds is where you wanna look if you wanna see it he's scrolling through the memes on a non-descript reddit asca page it's just just a silhouette of these people standing in the darkness oh my god they do it quickly too they flash away from this you see it's very subtle oh my god it's very subtle it's not a meme yeah that's terrifying no more of the boys memes please hey bro immigrate legally oh die they should just square this in a meme based on it you know even though he's looking at some kind of weird reddit pages he wakes up tomorrow at the same time he's still going to work he's a little bit more tired this time though he's losing sleep he's getting some more coffee thinking about the immigrants and watching uh bought news bought news without having a discussion about oh and on the tv it says victorian newman's college dance videos resurface are you cashed out the first time fuck off wait what is this it says victorian newman's college dance videos resurface get it because people always bring up non-substantive criticisms of leaders who are progressive oh no that's a direct reference to aOC that's a direct reference I mean it's how all kinds of things the idea being that instead of in trumps case some horrible video where he says grab them by the pussy when you do it to the good people it'll be just like oh they're dancing oh no you've certainly got them now like a nevermind all of the non-substantive criticisms of people on both sides no this happens fringy it doesn't matter if we only represent one tiny portion of reality as long as it happens somewhere in some way that means it's good which by the way has been the defense from many many people that this scene is good because this can happen just imagine how radicalized by memes how pathetic of a person you are so let me get this moment I'm just gonna play it for chat look at this so a car went past I assume and put some light in the clerk's face this shocks our neck beard as he's watching yeah as he's watching the news of how apparently she defended stormfront defended somebody who beat up a homeless immigrant or something wait was it a homeless hold on oh yeah a homeless immigrant wow poor immigrants that are homeless no they have a home it's where they fucking came from that's the thing so we move we don't know if they're an immigrant it's just the homeless addition to the extra sympathy a homeless it wasn't just an immigrant it was a homeless immigrant who would beat up a homeless you can't help but feel like that's all purpose right to make it as overtly evil as possible can we just appreciate this shot I love this one this should be taught in film school he's playing a video game on facebook where it's shooting AOC in the face oh no look at him he's so angry he's gonna do it he's gonna do something it was funny because the facebook games radicalized me I was talking to Gary about this all this missing at this point in the montage is him killing a brown person that's what we need to really complete the image and so why in the world do you guys think he would do it it's like what reason could you come up with outside of him saying I've been radicalized into hating brown people he thinks that the glare from the car was actually the guy lighting up his face I guess because he's a soup a disgusting soup and so he wants to interrogate this man to discover whether or not he is bullet proof and he's going to do this by pointing a gun at him yeah very smart there is an issue here I don't know if you guys can spot it my concern is that you're a superhero that's bullet proof so I'm gonna try and shoot you to stop you like wait it is that Simpsons episode if you're a witch you'll fly back up here to where we can summarily kill you and if not then you'll die and go to heaven look at him look at him unbelievable and so he shoots the guy because he's desperate and crazy and then he discovers that it turns out not bullet proof and that makes him very sad oh man I flurbed it up how could it defend me oh damn people say don't do it boogie this is my life this is my life oh my god oh no in the top right from where he dies there's a screen that says Stormfront condemns fake news so this whole scene is a fucking joke like it's so I can't believe it was made it could only be made by the most dead fucking idiots in the world and we knew when we saw this like oh this is going to set ripples through the boys fan base I think this has been pointed out you know a hundred times over like this is exactly what they thought the Joker was going to do and nothing ever happened it's like I think the more bizarre thing is one you had people actually rooting for it they were like salivating waiting for something bad to happen and when they didn't they were disappointed but even worse than that is they still think that this stuff is going to happen because someone looks at a meme it's just like it's an interesting view into the mindset of some people this is a cartoon this is so cartoonish what do you mean reality every day millions of young white males are radicalized by young fat hairy white men are you bulletproof I'm going to check by shooting you it's a homo Simpson thing to do did he not even think about this through at all what was his plan and if he was bulletproof then what do you do no then you're fucked proof that bad memes cause violence oh no so you gotta make good memes otherwise people will start hurting each other I think the starting scene is a pretty good meme this was a good meme it's like I don't understand what the fuck they thought was going to happen poor fat Neil he's fallen since community now so I guess we should move on we have our scene so now we've got lamp lighter and the boys are all together what's the plan well we get him to the hearing so until the hearing happens we have to keep him here I suppose meanwhile where does MM go cause Butcher has to suddenly go and visit his mother because inconveniently well we'll get to that what do you want to say so what happens is they decide that lamp lighter's testimony alone is not going to be good enough so they need more evidence and this of course brings up the question what happened to all the hard drives that they got from the facility like why didn't they just bring them out with them you know they probably would have plenty of evidence there or even lamp lighter could have like gone back and grabbed some paperwork I mean at this point Vaught doesn't know that the lamp lighter has flipped so at any point he could just go back and like get evidence I didn't even think about that and then bring it back and like oh well my testimony isn't good enough here's here's a hard drive with like 18 terabytes worth of and this facility filled with where I was being experimented on and all that or they could you know go and get pictures of like all the stuff that happened so this is just creating a situation where his isn't good enough and they need to go and get someone else so mother's milk and not Greg go to see Vogelbaum and this is when Butcher goes to visit his mother with the jetpack well yeah so let's do the structure of this episode you and you and I right Rags we were watching this so was it three of us I was definitely head through because we we guessed I think it was us three right because metal couldn't make it yeah I would say we guessed the entire structure after the first five minutes we were like so everyone's gonna be unable to prevent Huey from going on a stupid adventure to Vaught Tower they will successfully get Starlight out but it will kill lamp lighter but it will kill lamp lighter that will be really sad and unfortunate if only we knew what they actually wanted to do and so as a writer you be like well how do we get everybody away from Huey it's like well you send everybody to go and get Vogelbaum's like authorization to come along and Butcher is distracted by his his mum wants him to see his dad in a weakened state so that he can stop this is right she wants him to feel as though he hasn't he's like he's not powerful he shouldn't shadow over him but she tells him in order to get him there that the dad's dead but that's that's the whole plot line and of course it sets it sets him in a position of like I don't want to create another like this is why he doesn't want to look after the kid at the end of the show right because he doesn't want to end up creating another himself by being a shitty dad because all dads are bad in Hollywood surprising a pattern in the show a lot of you think maybe that like it was a great opportunity maybe they'll still do it in season 3 to have Butcher and the kid well that's what I thought they would do because it was such an interesting setup but they wanted their reset and he didn't start with a kid so he ain't getting one so anyway what a great opportunity wasted having like actually you know I thought that we were we were cool with our old grizzled man and son stories you know God of War I guess the last of us won even though that isn't a son I guess that's probably it I can't think of any other ones I'm sure there are the interesting thing is we're just going to knock this out we'll knock out all the B plots before the main one so then going to Vogelbaum is a waste of a scene because Butcher just does the exact same thing as they do but he boosted on top by saying yeah so if you don't I'll just kill people you love rendering their visit just time sink but the funny part is that he even let Butcher in and that he has no security and that Butcher has no leverage the second he leaves the place yeah that's what I was thinking like why wouldn't he just immediately contact Vaught and say I need myself my family to get taken out of here blah blah blah like yeah given the the size of the mansion that he lives in I would have to assume that Vogelbaum is fairly wealthy and would be able to do all this himself like he could just pay for everybody in his family to just pop smoke and go somewhere else but you see they can't do anything to Butcher because he might release a photo of a child online and that'll destroy everything to do with Vaught somehow you know what might be worse than that Homelander convincing the child to leave the fucking place that could be worse I don't know this fight you'll get bored so yeah that covers one of the B plots right that's that covers a lot of the episode already yeah that is and then I guess all right go ahead well I was going to say so the ones we have remaining would be Maves Starlight Homelanders and his sons and Starlight yeah those are the three we'll knock them out next I guess which one do you want first Maves is really easy so her girlfriend is like oh this is the real you and it's shit and so she leaves and Mave is now just completely detached she's very depressed this will play into their attitude in the following episode we'll pick that up but she is relevant to the main plot but later I guess um Homelanders oh god it's the scene where she's like hey do you watch PewDiePie I wonder if there was any ill intent behind that reference I feel like that one was I honestly think that's coincidental I think they were just like oh PewDiePie that's like a boomer yeah well yeah there are two interpretations then one is that that's a popular YouTube personality that someone might watch too is remember how PewDiePie gets constantly chat on for being a secret Nazi as an audience member you can take whichever one you feel is more overtly being done I'd be willing to accept that it was a coincidence but man you think they'd have the foresight no never mind I'm not gonna finish that sentence anyway um and so I guess yeah Starlight so she goes to visit her mum oh god this fucking scene dude yeah and so then I think what yeah Black Noir just sort of jumps in and knocks her out so where do we begin with this uh why would you agree to meet your mum why yeah you know she's connected to Vought and you're currently on the run from Vought you fucking idiot yeah this is a terrible risk also they're meeting in a public place where everybody would recognize her yep that again but just add that onto our tally I suppose great how our Black Noir jumps in as soon as the information lets slip that he might actually be coming you know it's like it's the cliche oh bad oh here's a potential bad thing and then the bad thing immediately happens after they address it yeah it takes her ages to ask about Vought it comes out of the mum by accident right she's like oh Vought okay with this yeah it's a nice little Freudian slip it's so beyond stupid like what are you thinking why would you and then of course yes so the building comes down and Black Noir hits her with something that would clearly not be able to knock her out because she's incredibly strong but they just cut away and she's knocked out and she's taken to a prison speaking of getting knocked out when they throw in the little gas canister like everyone is immediately an instant like they don't even grade them in yet you know it's if you look at it it knocks you out with very potent gas yeah it's pretty absurd yeah they literally all just fall over that's some funny shit yeah that is fucked up and yeah this is the episode where we were left baffled by the fact that apparently Starlight can't use electricity like she needs the electricity to do things Blame talked about it earlier it was clear in the cast scenes where they established this as an issue it was just like oh okay and yeah I was exactly like you where it was I assumed that the reason why the lights would flicker was just because she was using her powers not because it was an effect of her powers I didn't think that she was like cold from infamous where she has to suck the electricity out of objects so what's the power source for the lights inside of the room though Gary let me know about this if you check the x-ray it says like those ones can't be juiced for her it's like okay it's just they say it like like that's just how it works it says no power these glowsticks don't have the energy Starlight needs to activate her super power she blasts do these people not understand how buildings are made so first of all Starlight is a relatively new person and to my knowledge no one else at Vaat or in the 7 has ever had any kind of super power that required them to be able to draw electricity so you're telling me that every single wall within I don't know like 50 feet doesn't have a single power cord running through those walls yeah why are they allowed to have prison cells of that kind I mean your spot is allowed to do whatever they want yeah Vaat can do that that's cool with me the silly part is that they put her in a room that has the potential to be lit up like a fucking Christmas tree it's like why would you do that if the room is designed to keep people in it like why would you have an emergency light like why would what in the world and then of course it's like they describe it as super strong she can blast it open with one hit from her Tism power and some people have highlighted that even if the light is off whether the electricity comes from up there she should be able to draw power out of it well yeah because it's connected to the building yeah so none of this makes any fucking sense at all and you can tell that the only reason she's put in here is to break out because oh I so you know how the reason why she gets out is because a siren goes off above her head and then that's how she gets the electricity if that is connected to a power source you can just pull the electricity from it anyway that's literally almost weird for weird what I just said sorry I didn't I don't know how that happened I totally didn't get that's what you said okay so in fairness it depends on where the switch is right sure like if if just because you have a light bulb in your ceiling doesn't mean that there's electricity constantly going to the ceiling if you have a wall switch and it's going to trip you know it's going to sever the connection at the wall so there isn't there shouldn't be any live juice going up to the light until you make that connection right but even then it doesn't matter if those particular lights don't have any juice there are I mean you can flip to it right now there's literally dozens and dozens of lights outside in the hallway not even like 20 feet away on top of that she uses her powers to like blast a hole in the door but couldn't she just like punch it I mean she's been shown to be able to punch through concrete and like you would have to assume that if the door is reinforced to the extent where a super powerful character can't punch through it wouldn't these little zap zap jubilee blasts not be able to get through it either that's embarrassing shit man that light that's clearly like a meter away whoops someone said by the way and she's not touching the car by the way that these are writers they're not electricians they're not writers I mean the writer is so uh look at that it's literally touching the wall okay just want to just want to say when batwoman tries to give someone CPR because they've bled out that's good writing because they're not doctors they're not doctors yes um fucking hell you can't do this do at least like the most research in its fuel amount of research please emergency lights use alternators to light up they're constantly powered and lit up when the power is turned off well there you go then so even then there's still going to be power in there there's many ways this fails so it's like oh well the funny part is I guess that's closer to the main plotline because well we'll come back then the next scene is like three minutes of porn jokes and the general trivia says that it's called homebanger red, white and anal wildly successful cock hole video produced in 2015 with more than 500 million downloads to date what a red, white and anal yeah that's the name of the video that they're watching yeah I know do you know people have actually put out like requests for the full versions of those scenes to be released like the ones that the adult scenes that were shown like very briefly on the tv in the show like people have been requesting that those actually get like fully released like the entire completed scenes someone in chat has said they've got electricians on set yeah they would have to make the set and then the next scene is where homelander and stormfront are doing their little rally and they do the thoughts and prayers meme which is another telltale sign of bad writing all bad shows seem to do the thoughts and prayers joke isn't it dumb how people say thoughts and prayers isn't that dumb yeah it is dumb we all know this um yeah I mean it's very blatant like anti christian nonsense and I don't think it's anti christian I don't know if it's anti christian it's more just like it's just a thing that people observe so the thing is it originates it's not exclusively christian to be sure but like the yeah it's overused to be sure people put it on social media because they want attention but the fact of the matter is they're religious people when they say thoughts and prayers they genuinely mean it if someone like mike pants or something says thoughts and prayers you can guarantee that he's going to take like a minute out of his time to quite literally stop do whatever he's doing and to make a prayer like that is where I don't care though the point is is that people do this out of a genuine position of faith and whether you I don't care though that's not the point he's making so if the show is making fun of people for being non-genuine about it when they are the thing is there are people who aren't genuine about it so the show is able to take that shot it's just that it's like I think the idea is that thoughts and prayers is a platitude that often rings hollow yeah because once enough people said it even if they were being genuine a lot of people just echo it when they got nothing else they want to say like oh this bad thing the fact that it's the same configuration of words I think is the problem everybody says thoughts and prayers thoughts and prayers why is it that order it's weird so yeah like whenever a show does it to make fun of people I'm just like yeah good job good for you it's just unoriginal it's dull even red letter media does it or jack did it or jack did a whole episode on it isn't the episode called it is that night in the episode you showed me oh no that was a different one was the gun control one is thought some prayers is it or is it I think they mock that in it the fake panderness because they're like oh no another shooting and then they type on their phones so did they double dip that one I think so yeah in that same exact scene they actually they do an orange made it bad because that's when I think it's still up front who says make America safe again it's the Ronald Reagan or something but here's the thing like in that very same scene if you look in the if you look in the general trivia they actually have something about SJWs so why wait a minute they say it's like a pejorative against people that are something something social justice I forget exactly oh oh yeah it says SJW was an acronym for the pejorative term social justice warrior that's the general so while they are essentially insulting other people and mocking the faith of others they're also playing I mean I definitely think that there's no mistake that that's what they're doing didn't they do like the episode the one after where they said that like Starlight had rediscovered her religious I think they're just mocking the fact that people say that as an empty platyce people who don't even believe in any particular faith will say thoughts and prayers what I think they're doing is they're mocking people who genuinely use that in their faith because they like you don't believe that it has any meaning that they think that because it's because they don't have that faith because they don't believe in it because they think that it's worthless that's why they're mocking it and in effect they are mocking the religion at the same time I don't think that's a stretch at all I mean you look at what Hollywood does like every single thing that they do like it's always they depict a Christian it's always in negative in the first season of the show they had the camp where every single person there was like depicted as being some like ultra zealot bigot type person it's very obvious what they're doing and they're mocking it because they think even in this one and they do it in the next one too they frame it positively that Starlight has rediscovered her faith seriously I honestly targeting as far as I can say the targeting people who use empty platitudes and that's one of the most commonly used ones as an example the thing I'm tipping my fedora too hard like what part of this is me tipping my fedora I think I have pretty good references here I mean like I said people who aren't even a part of any faith will say it well a lot of people say it because it's like a meme now I think common it is I almost feel like thoughts and prayers the word prayers in that connotation almost at this point doesn't even refer to actual praying yeah like I pray to God or something when you say like an expression it doesn't necessarily mean you're sitting down and you know it's weird that if you want to make the claim the show is very anti-religion which by the way there are references for it does have a character regain their faith I don't think that Starlight regained her faith at all she does she doesn't regain her faith can she say that she thinks God exists because Butcher did something good I'm pretty sure it is like literally she said God exists because Butcher did a good thing across and everything what they do with Starlight essentially is they have her reject her faith and then find a new more palatable version of it is essentially what happens I need to skip it she's not finding her faith she's just twisting it to find something that is agreeable she's got to be something else out there more than us and she puts on the cross around her neck so that's part of being accepted specifically the religion that she grew up with you think right which is Christianity of some sort that's some denomination I guess I'm just saying like I don't think that the thoughts and prayers the criticism of it is based on religion I think it's based on the broader idea that it's a platitude that oftentimes doesn't mean a lot I think if it was only used in a purely meaningful but like an earnest way it wouldn't be used in this context because it's mocking people using it because it's become a meme that people do that in place of or they say that and they act as if they've actually done something and that's what you're mocking I completely agree with you but it's still it still seems very clear that the major mocking of it like if you look on twitter and other social media stuff the primary mocking of it is not as that it has become a general platitude it's that it doesn't do anything because ha ha your God doesn't exist but they specifically use the platitude here it's very specific it's the phrase thoughts and prayers that's being mocked I like that's the phrase being used specifically I again I understand that but it's not it's not that they're mocking the platitude of it they're mocking the symbolism of it and they're using it in the over generic platitude manner that's how people mock it on social media when something bad happens and they want to mock it they're going to say thoughts and prayers that's how they do it but the intent the initial intent is to mock the faith of those that genuinely believe it but regardless of any of that stuff regardless of any of that stuff in this very scene you have the clear mockery of various groups and even orange man bad but at the very same time in the general trivia you have playing the victim card like even though they are attacking and insulting other people that they disagree with or that they don't like or whatever they're still pretending like they are the victim they're labeled an SJW and that's in the general trivia it doesn't show it in the actual show it's health but it is a pejorative though right like even though I it is definitely a pejorative yeah it's people who are shitty people generally and do terrible things or have terrible actions whether or not it's a pejorative that should be used whether or not it's an accurate one is different to whether or not it is a pejorative it is and plus I don't know how much I want to use trivia against them also in regards again to the reason it's thoughts and prayers and then it couldn't be considered strictly anti-religion would be because when someone say the school is shot up saying like oh you have my thoughts and also people saying not offering any particular tangible aid rather they put out a tweet saying you have my thoughts and prayers it's not necessarily anti-religion I've never seen it that way yeah I've never seen it used as an anti-religion thing it's anti the sentiment of thoughts and prayers being used religion don't have so the religion don't have a full control over they have prayers sure but they don't have thoughts and so any normal person can say you have my thoughts and they're making fun of that as well it's not strictly religion it can't be people say thoughts and prayers all the time about anything you see it everywhere it's a very good on the surface there's nothing to say in terms of if you're going to interpret it in good faith it's like oh that's kind of you the fact that I'm on your mind and you're going to pray for me to be better off but a lot of people see it as a cop out you don't actually care you're saying this just because you can't come up with anything else to say not your religion is bullshit like that's really ever been the sentiment I've detected that's what we're saying I agree with you but still the primary the primary mockery originates from the idea that your prayer is irrelevant and it doesn't do anything and if you don't believe that it works then that's fine you know whatever to each their own but the fact of the matter is when people are genuinely offering that they are making an appeal to who they believe is the most powerful being in the universe and whether you believe it or not is irrelevant they believe that it's true and they are making a genuine attempt to make an appeal on behalf of someone else and this is where the thing comes in because you have people oh well that doesn't do anything okay that's fine you can believe that but again it just becomes the mockery of the faith like haha you're praying you're an idiot that doesn't do anything kind of stuff right so I don't want to drag this out too much but like we're having a conversation so I don't believe there's enough references to prove that I think if you were going to say that's the sentiment of episode 5 in season 1 I would completely agree with you I'd be like yeah they're trying to shaft religion hardcore in this episode but with that reference there I'd be like no I think they're just gunning for people who have empty platitudes yeah I think so too I think one of the key things is like the delivery right and it's one of the key deliveries every time somebody does this joke it's like yes thoughts and prayers like it's this really quick thing that they just throw out yeah every time I've seen it reference that's how it's done yeah whereas I feel like you know if there was actually an instance of somebody saying like my thoughts and prayers and then they actually went over sat down and prayed that this show would not make fun of that I don't think that I don't think that I don't believe that that's something that they do I've seen that sort of thing like constantly on social media anytime something happens and you see you see someone like you know an account like Ted Cruz or Mike Pence or whoever right pick pick pick whoever they you know they'll say they offer their thoughts and prayers for someone else and then you just see like there's always going to be lots of reply saying you're an idiot your man in the sky doesn't exist blah blah blah like that's the mockery that I'm talking about like it's not it's not based on the platitude is based on the fact that they're just outright insulting the person who has that faith and again you can think that it's worthless or relevant or whatever but it doesn't matter because that person is making a genuine sincere attempt and an appeal to who they believe is a force capable of making change and again you might can we not apply this to SJW's what's that can we not apply this to SJW's because they really believe in their heart of hearts that what they're doing is good I mean they believe it it's real to them it's very earnest and very sincere I think I think the more pertinent thing I guess here is like I don't want to pull from what other people you know like for instance somebody who derides thoughts and prayers may well be deriding religiousness you know like theism or anything like that as well but like I don't want to apply that to this specific context in this show what other people on the internet do like other people may well do that but I don't know that that applies to this specific instance in this show is kind of why I'm doing that I would say there is no doubt that given the other things including the scene that we literally just saw the Joker analogy type thing there is no doubt in my mind that the intent behind this remark and the other ones related to it are meant as mockery like there's just too much of a pattern if it was like a one off then I would say okay sure but when you have like this much stuff being repeated ad nauseum in such a blunt way like I just can't I can't like put aside the idea that like yeah this is what they're doing like they're trying to be insulting they're trying to be mockering but anyways yeah like I said I believe they do do that at certain points I'm not convinced on this one I don't think the references are strong enough I think that appealing appealing to the broad sense that they're making like that hollywood hate christianity or that this show hates christianity at this point like I don't necessarily disagree with that also a lot of people are citing that we're hardcore atheistic right now has nothing to do with our arguments I just don't think that this show in this specific instance is making fun of religion I think it's making fun of the platitudes that people give that's all we fucking said but everyone's like up in arms that we're shitting on christianity they're up in arms again they're shitting all over me it's really weird that they're like hyper targeted rags when Fringy and I have said that we completely agree with rags I have to be completely honest with you right now I am genuinely surprised that people are agreeing with me in the chat because I would have expected to be well because they would rather believe that than believe it was just a conversation on platitudes I think because they see a lot of persecution for faith with religious Hollywood products which by the way I'm not against that idea I think that is true to a degree like I said season one blatant as fuck with that making fun of people saying thoughts and prayers as a definitive attack on the people of faith saying what they believe in is nonsense I'd be like oh I think you're drawing more out of that than what they're probably aiming for which is platitudes that's what I interpret I don't see enough evidence for the opposite I would say that it's a continuation I would say that it's a continuation of a sequence of other stuff and they even do it again in the next episode there's another joke about thoughts and prayers I don't remember that one we can continue though because I think I think we it's been thoroughly explored I mean who says this because it's Stormfront who says it right I think it was Homelander actually Homelander's are they both religious Stormfront almost certainly is a shoe Homelander is we don't know is Homelander actually religious though I don't know if he is he might play it he might play that card but I don't think he actually is someone said why would we not believe it for the reasons we've seen them do it before it's like because that's not how proof works it's not how motivation works the fuck are you talking about let me see it's a very specific instance that we don't think says anything more than it does Frank kills someone because they killed his wife or something and then he kills another person a year later I don't automatically go wow you killed Rags wife too that would be fucking stupid I mean so there are plenty of reasons they can involve each of these things we were discussing them like I love how much people move on it's like chill the fuck out we're having a chat Jesus Christ don't worry, God's apparently really powerful he doesn't need you to be on his side I think it'll be alright the idea that in 7 hours and 40 minutes we're on one topic you don't like Jesus don't bring up him he'll get really defensive about that guy let's talk about Jesus but it was checkmate Christians thoughts and prayers isn't religious confirmed on EFAP I don't remember a say with that fuck me I just checked by the way it was Stormfront and it wasn't I obviously missed she says that thoughts and prayers go out such and such and they're going to be making a donation that's basically how it plays out in the scene even in the episode if they're religious and they're saying it because they're being earnest that's weird that they do it with these characters if they're not being earnest and they're saying that in a religious sense then what we're saying is correct so I'm listening to the scene there's a line that's interesting where Homelander says that the godless and human supervillain started pouring across our borders that was like the oh and also he mentions one nation under God as well it's trying to figure out is that something he really believes or is he just playing it up well I don't think he believes it I don't think he does either but I also want to point out that this again goes back to Kitten Hitler where Kitten Hitler again because we've seen this many many times like there's they take something and then they try to associate it with bad people therefore they make the connection that like in the simplistic you know whatever way of thinking this is bad excuse me this is okay but Homelander thinks it's good and Homelander is bad therefore it's bad so like you can say this with the memes you can say this with whatever the other stuff that they were doing Stormfront was doing throughout the entire season and you can also do it with this like it I get what you mean in the sense that the thing of the show is commentary being so overt and the crack that it follows makes it hard not to read into a lot of stuff but I do think that because I mean for instance they use the word SJW like unironically in like Stormfront it's used in the same way like every time in the shows it's just one of those things that slaps me out but also reminds me that this is all pulled from like internet discourse and I think that yeah I think at the beginning of the show the writers had like this big list of things they were like on a whiteboard somewhere they're like stuff that's bad and then they just have like everything and they have like Stormfront and Homelander keep doing it like let's make fun of disabled people let's you know they have memes they have you know the egalitarianism like you know the religious stuff like all these different things like you know they're bad so we're going to make Stormfront and Homelander do them and then by association our viewers will think that these things are bad as well I mean it's such a such a transparent tactic like you know if you want to sway someone's opinion you have to do it in a slightly more subtle and you know welcoming kind of manner but I mean this just seems like in general I would advocate that in terms of writing in general but I don't know that I think that it's wise to in general try and specifically push a point or a specific one like a hyphus what's that sorry oh I agree with you completely but the show creators are dumb and they're doing yeah I guess what I mean is like I tend to find that in the stories that I like if there's a point that's trying to be made it's usually some really fundamental principle or like moral or some kind of you know like instead of being this hyper specific these specific political talking points are bad it's usually like so here's like a good method for approaching a situation or a good method for dealing with life or like some kind of or if they are going to talk about you know political things not necessarily giving an answer but trying to explore the topics earnestly and debate them and have them go up against one another I just think that that's generally a better way to approach writing because oh yeah because you know plenty of people will feel as though you just shout on them just because you must hate them there's no ultimate point trying to make or balanced point you're trying to make well it's just um you know if if a stories if like stories are meant to try and explore ideas like exploring is very different from telling somebody you know what and of course you know when you're telling somebody what you think versus telling somebody what to think I think are uh quite different as well yeah but exactly and and I agree with you entirely and that like that's like I think yeah I just think people don't like being Hollywood doesn't feel that way it doesn't feel that way a lot of the time it feels like uh this is how you should think and if you don't you're wrong like that's basically it well yeah though but it yeah if someone's advocating that you should think a certain way then of course if you don't think that then they do think you're wrong yeah well yeah but I guess it's the idea that um you know like it's it's it tends to be funny right because like whether or not I agree with a particular branch of politics I tend to be pretty frustrated where the social commentary is just so limp well it's just stating it and it's on the nose and yeah yeah it's TLJ it's like look at these people who've benefited from a free market dab them it's like okay benefited from the free market I mean it's more than just like okay you're you're wrong you know I disagree with you like it's it's if you don't if you don't agree then you are the worst person to ever exist and everything about you is bad like that this show can certainly color people like that in that light and go to the extreme onto it definitely one of the negatives of the show is how like like how this episode started is just off the rails crazy we were at least where you just have to laugh at it because of how ridiculous it is like you know how 1984 isn't actually all that obvious about who it's trying to tell you to watch out for how it actually applies to a broad swath of people yeah you know you're right because all kinds of different political persuasions you know both sides will appeal to that being the other side they'll be like you're doing 1980s like no you no you it's like a big fight over I guess which is helpful for the person who made the book so they can be enjoyed by both teams but yeah so wait oh the next scene is the next scene the one where Lamplight now wants to leave and cause problems for this entire episode well one extra contrivance is that they happen to catch a news report saying that Starlight has been captured Starlight is now an enemy of the state or something you know another convenient news bulletin yeah like if Lamplight doesn't actually want to go Huey has no like oh yeah yeah you're right yeah but had they kept watching porn it wouldn't have worked out just sayin this is a message that you shouldn't watch porn or at least interrupt your porn watching and check the news you might catch something important at least my porn has a happy ending and the news is all fucking depressing yep so yeah we could probably do this relatively fast because he convinces Lamplight to go with this really weird speech about fucking and everything oh there's lots of they say yeah they say cock a whole bunch the scene with Butcher and his dad I don't know if we should even I mean I yeah I don't know what to make of that whole thing it's nice to see Denethor we find out that Lenny killed himself I think and Butcher's mad and he blames his father probably rightfully so based on what we know about him well yeah I mean the only point being made here seemingly is that this puts off Butcher from ever wanting to be a dad I think because he thinks he'd fuck up his kid which is a little bit annoying to have it be the episode before the important moment where that's tested they time this setup right before the payoff they time up every setup about 40 minutes before the payoff the almond joy was set up episodes before the payoff like 2 oh man something that isn't really that important at all that setup but this critical fundamental character development comes 40 minutes before it's important but yeah then there's another scene where Homelander and Stormfront go visit the kid yeah we haven't really gone that plot line that just ends with him getting kidnapped by Homelander but like willingly not really kidnapping but you know what I mean and then yeah Maeve stuff which I don't care about and then what what else is happening oh French and Kimiko they start learning the language yes they start learning at 7 episodes if it hasn't become clear already we can skip so much of what happens in these episodes which is again what I think people felt like this season was filled with air rather than just concerning when this is 8 episodes go ahead I think there's only really two things left in this episode which is what why are they killing themselves why are they killing themselves yeah and then the the heads and that's really it although god it's so stupid how lamp lighter gets inside thing again they lampshade I believe is the term they point out how dumb this is but that doesn't help how dumb it is well I'm talking about even before the elevator like there's the gigantic door sized vent without a fan behind it why didn't he say he and he and someone else had it installed man used to sneak girls in there but it still doesn't explain why there wouldn't be a fan behind the giant door sized vent oh why like I guess nobody found out about it right yeah because that is a major security breach right there but I guess they just never found out so it's fine and here's the tamper it still works yes they have that uses like biometrics but they also have like a screen door that lets you get in it doesn't make any sense the fact that and you think that as soon as he gets put in it's like hey lamp lighter just checked into the building check that out that should flag on the system the opening of that particular place should flag on the system the fact that someone's accessing it there should probably be a security guard here anyway I love that he says if this doesn't work a bunch of dudes are just gonna show up with guns in a second it's like oh oh lucky you I guess that sounds awful okay we'll just carry on even if that's gonna happen whatever vault tower should be a fortress and they just basically stroll right in there should be cameras absolutely everywhere there should be a camera watching the elevator there should be a camera in the elevator I mean like there's no way there should be cameras in the 7's room well who cares why would it matter if there's cameras they don't have motion cameras who cares oh yeah that's right yeah we saw all the good the last cameras in there too a human being needs to be checking all of those cameras at all times to make sure that a fat guy sitting in a in a security room I mean like we saw that at the facility the seat rover whatever I drew him on e-fab gaming as tech support guy there should be a guy why isn't there a guy well it should be that guy from south park in the TSA episode just jacking off all of the cameras of all these people they managed to get into the room and then lamplighter realises that they've taken them off the statue which of course they have just before jumping to that I was gonna say should we comment I don't know if this is in character or not but you're threatened to kill a bunch of innocent people to convince wogelbaum that kind of lines up with the baby killing so yeah um yeah I suppose is uh we believe that butcher would or maybe he's lying you know I feel like it should be in character but at the same time I feel like the character is bluffing like yeah I don't know it could be bluffing obviously we'll never see whether he was or not but uh it's funny I say I hope he was bluffing but I mean it would help explain the baby killing thing but I don't think they want to commit to that no I don't think they do um yeah but lamplighter kills himself next which is great because that's what we needed in order to have you know tension oh no our guy not lamplighter oh no I believe if only we were recording um when he did this I believe I said like how does this free starlight I was like how could this possibly do it other than they just cut to the emergency light I was like wow well as it turns out they installed an emergency light into the room they built specifically to make sure that starlight couldn't break out good job guys in in fairness that room has actually been there for quite a while and I I mean they put her in it that room quite a bit that's how he knows that like how it works and stuff but like but they put her in it is the point like so they would know that this would be the potential I guess there was no one else they could put her can she use her light blasty powers without her hands would binding them have helped I don't know only if they use duct tape only duct tape you know that stuff that's useful stuff and then the fact I mean this entire sequence is just baffling in the sense that nobody is around there's no security there's nobody like responding to the fact that she's broken out nobody cares nobody goes to empty the bonfire in the sevens yeah the vengeance headquarters this is like well it gets funnier we need we need lamp lighters hand to get past security after he self-immolated yeah finger skin doesn't usually stay intact after it's been sizzled off not very good anyway would you say that's even a kiwi's character that he would do something like that because I'm not sure where his character is at this time I don't know that's a good question I guess he's desperate Starlight gets jump-scared by black and white he just kind of pops out from the side and grabs her and throws her through a wall oh yeah oh and also he misses a kiwi by like five seconds she gets thrown into the seven rooms these are the same rooms it's identical yeah lamp lighters and they're fighting lucky he didn't run into black noir otherwise kiwi's dead look what one blast did to black noir in this screenshot I might just send it to you guys I'm watching the scene so this is what we call effective this is doing some good damage and she decides to not use it again in the entire scene because she's really fucking stupid and then try and run away from him by going past where he is and don't even try to argue there's no electricity that room is filled there's greed she's getting hit next to a screen oh oh and she almost forgets black noir's even there she continues to walk and he grabs her when she's facing away from him like oh no what did you think would happen oh you're still here you might not want me to escape you see many babies have to learn object permanence as one of the first lessons in life and starlight hasn't quite gotten there yet one day yeah we got black noir he's winning he's doing great and then teleports into the room and puts almonds in him and he's out for the next episode yep and the reason I'm assuming the reason you mentioned it that way is because had black noir seen her coming would have been a lot harder for her to do this but she manages to sort of sneak into the room and behind him and yeah I guess maybe is stronger than black noir I guess right that has to be it he does struggle with it yeah why didn't he close his mouth why did he let her he didn't it's not even that like he closed his mouth like you can see that he the actor actually opens his mouth and then chews like I wouldn't chewed my if it was me I wouldn't chewed I probably wouldn't have either I don't know who's stuff and stuff in my mouth but I don't trust it I don't care if someone stuffs a delicious lobster tail into my mouth from behind me in surprise I can't chew and eat Matt what if it was a poison lobster tail you don't know he's not resisting at all he's like not resisting her one arm is stronger than both of his his arms yeah I guess Queen Maeve really is very very very very strong hey girls good job why is she so afraid of homelander then again all we have to go on is what they show us so power level wise homelander is above Maeve but Maeve is above black noir even though black noir which stood an explosion dude that is actually really funny he just opens his mouth yeah he does he's like noom do you also there's another little general trivia for this scene do you know do you know why they did this so I already explained at the beginning of our stream why what black noir actually was in the comics and like it was this amazing story twist and all sorts of stuff like that so in the show they decided to go with the tree night allergy because the stuntman for black noir has a tree not allergy and they thought it would be funny to include it what no then that's why they shouldn't use it that is the trivia but then he'll get hurt oh well they didn't use a real one that didn't actually but more it's not a good reason to do anything in your story ha funny funny yeah little did we know the stuntman actually he's fucking died we give it to him I don't know it doesn't sound like a good reason to me it's pretty I like the idea that Maeve ran to a vending machine and she's she's inserting a dollar into it and it doesn't accept it she has to unfold the corners you guys are nitpicking she would keep it on hand in case black noir ever became a problem you guys are saying all of the seven have a spare almond joy in their suit it's like Batman having a small piece of kryptonite what it's like a a handful of almond the cool thing about kryptonite is that it's not easily attainable and almond joy so how is black noir going to be a threat to anybody ever again if you convert that into a board thing you convert your chocolate bar into a gas just have bullets to have almond bars in them have a knife laced with almond knife laced with almond so this we gotta talk about this because it's not actually like it's all consistent well the allergy being a thing and him reacting to it this way so many people were so annoyed that this was the end of the fight oh i wonder why i think that after seven episodes they're like oh my god super hero fight starlight vs black wait did you guys run out of money or what happened they sure as held in run out of money i can refide ending because you're like more the heart attack or the almond joy oh yeah the ways get saved by some damn yeah yeah we'll tell you three times over as well maves saves her in the finale right so she saves her twice hot attack saves her and an allergy saves her good job stall it i want to know who there are people out there who think that the the superhero fight at the airport in civil war is shit and probably think that this stuff is top tier i want to know who these people are like put them on a list do it so um yeah maybe it's like go and of course um kiwi is running away just to find uh starlight and he bumps into starlight's mom because you can hear her saying help so she is now rescued that's pretty convenient starlight's mom was just there at bought tower what was she doing yeah they had a captive because they used her to get starlight and then she was like hey help me the alarms oh my god and then he was like oh i'll help you person hello oh it's the mom you think she'd be like in a locked room or something but i was not he unlocked it with lamp lighters hand oh i got you yeah well i guess like i mean like security personnel and stuff but they're just no nobody's in the tower except for black noir and may they're the only two people ran away because of the alarm they go fixed it yeah they were scared of the alarm rings can i point out the stupidity of may be black noir alive even after he poisoned him no they'll be fine he survives and i mean if he recovers which he inevitably will and make this kind of goes into a stupidity in the next episode where she like doesn't help it's like you do realize that the guy with the super healing factor who's like currently in the hospital like if he wakes up you're fucked because he's gonna tell everybody that it was you that did it and then homelander is gonna come and kill you if you have super healing wouldn't any like not allergy immediately disappear because it would heal i don't know how it works i don't know i don't know if someone maybe they would argue like because he's a super duper the allergy like hits him harder than normally maybe he has a super allergy yeah head pool with cancer she kicks away his epic pen assuming that's what it is if she walks off you'd be like wait maybe what if he has a second one what if he just falls over to the epic pen maybe he's the goal to kill him is it because you need to do more than that she's very clever but of course why would may worry when she's got the greatest blackmail ever prepared fringy like she'll just use that a video yeah i thought this was the last scene in the episode oh yeah we're close to the last scene in the episode ryan is upset that his mum has lied to him well no we just forgot tizm kiwi runs into starlight in the middle of a giant skyscraper so at least kiwi was going to the holding cells and that's why he bumped into the mum at least there's something there why did starlight go here maybe she was going for a mum that explains it did she even know that her mum was here though i don't have any clue did mayve tell her that or something no i don't think mayve told her um but yeah they all meet up really quickly in escape because that's the thing we gotta get this episode sort of tied off which is to kill lamp lighter and get starlight freed that's like the two things um so ryan's mad at the mum because the mum has lied to him and not told him there's a whole wide world out there and she fails to mention to him that this is all vorts doing not hers she just lets him be mad and then of course he wants to leave with homelander and does so it's weird she never appeals to the facts that vort have orchestrated all of this to a degree and that homelander is the reason that they're not allowed outside because he's a psycho she just doesn't try any of this kind of reminds me of um a certain character in a certain game when asked why he did something something specific it's annoying when characters don't defend themselves nooo let stuff happen i don't buy that ryan would be so angry at the woman who raised him that he would go with a man who threw him off of a roof um like regardless of what he told him also i think like this there's probably not ever really a good time to kind of tell ryan how he was conceived but perhaps that information would have swayed him yeah now is the time it might you know hey you know the the guy you're about to fly off with kind of you know had a um uh persistent hugging problem so you know maybe okay it's all so tiresome as they say we can skip the fucking butcher when we kind of covered that um yeah so then as the court scene everyone's head explodes it's all very confusing and that leads us into the next episode because it's not really anything we can say about that until we also we talk about AOC's big reveal yeah so that was the episode that got everybody very upset um naturally and i think it was perfectly made to piss off people who in favor of this show in terms of they put the stupid stupid scene at the beginning and then they had the same kind of writing they've been having all season after it and so it was way easier to see the shitty writing when you're like knocked out immersion wise um so like it was handcrafted to say hey hey we're not very good just so you know well i think i think it's the whole idea that uh if you get if your suspension of disbelief is snapped you kind of see what you're watching for what it is yeah when you're no longer primed to like the show and want to really like the show don't take this as me saying um like ha ha you sheeple were knocked it's like no this happens to me all the time where i'm enjoying something oh it happened to me and i'll be like no that's that thing i didn't even notice all that thing is fine but as soon as like the glamour is removed of like i'm starting to see things now things i didn't want to see the first time i saw uh star wars episode one i thought it was amazing and then on hind side of mind maybe not there's gonna be some people in chat who are like you were right bad to know guys and i'm innocent bad who was was it uh ben Shapiro who said it was better than revenge was the worst he said it was worst right right what do you say was better than this was worst um i can't remember you had some revenge of the sith down really low like surprisingly low but i kind of can't remember yeah because the actual correct order for the films uh is five four six three uh either one or two probably yeah one two and then uh seven ah it gets hard at the sequels try to figure out where they fit um also yeah that's not to say that a whole bunch of people didn't already like dislike this season like we did i did see plenty of people in the discord being like yeah i've not been liking it or some people who said like they dropped out at episode three which is an episode i totally understand you dropping out on um but again like shit tons of people were like this one's good um so i guess we'll carry on um rags and i kind of did coverage for this one on a different stream but there's no reason not to uh get it all in this one big package here so yeah we we start off really perplexed with a video about you know if there's a super terrorist in your school what do you do and the immediate thing is there haven't been any super terrorist attacks what not even one except wait except except the telekinetic that's the only one you could argue but even that one's really dodgy if anybody had seen any of it it's absurd this season wants to convince us there's so many attacks that now schools have to prepare super terrorists taking them down yeah at least after 9 11 happened you know and everything you know got changed in terms of the way we viewed security in the world and stuff like that was a really big deal totally unprecedented in this show you don't have that similar build up to the fear and paranoia that's caused by it's just caught in effect right like the reason why sport security was amped up was because a terrorist attack using aeroplanes occurred whereas here it's like what's happened there was a super terrorist in an apartment building many many weeks ago and nothing's happened since but now they're teaching kids about what to do in the case of a super terrorist coming into a school and even then like what is your plan there's nothing that you can do it for sure unless you're dealing with a vomit one please knock him over and he'll inevitably kill himself kick him in the gut kick him in the stomach and also it's one of the starkest examples here of how they've totally forgotten that the whole point of season one was to get them to go on foreign missions in like Afghanistan and stuff that's just not happening anymore I mean even one of the one of the quote the memes that was used for to make him popular again was better there than here was one of the memes you're right but they've forgotten about it like it's not even a thing anymore it does very little superhero work I feel like we skipped a season like it's so crazy it's like there's so much work you guys have to do to earn this it's like no there's super villains everywhere maybe you're like okay and of course it's been convinced to the people by the memes which leads us into the next scene which by the way I'm almost certain that PSA is to help support the next scene which is the government are now panicking about super villains and they want to buy compound v from vort in order to throw I can't believe they fucking say that I was so thrown out they want to give it to first responders yeah what are you suggesting it's gonna be like EMTs and paramedics have super randomly random generated superpowers I thought useful if you're an EMT I thought the way it worked was you provide a compound v shot to a young person they will eventually be able to assuming they don't die they will then eventually develop powers possibly and the power could be anything so if you just inject a whole bunch of first responders most of them apparently will die a lot of them will develop powers that are useless to their job like the vomit one what exactly are they going to do with that the new compound v is stable for adults so they can basically take the new compound v I thought they hadn't developed it yet that was the point of the facility is that a part of the time skip who the fuck knows at this point because if they already have it then what's the point of the facility and keep doing the tests well that's what I figured best to work on what we were doing at the facility those adults were given those people were given compound v as an adult so like they weren't done clearly I thought it was that the email we looked at it said 88% complete so I mean you can assume that they're I guess they're in 100 now I guess they wrap that up either way can you imagine being an EMT and like getting a superpower which is the acid puke and then like I'll get some out of a job now who the fuck would agree to this if you're an EMT would you be like you have a random chance of gaining one of many many powers one makes your dick enormous you'd be like and of course I would be the fuck up so it feels like our our total inversion of in reality if what happened in the courthouse compound v is gone as a thing over because this is obviously a super hero that did this this is a superpower that someone's using we're not going to give everyone this power we looked at how paranoid a lot of people are about just firearms it's so hard to believe it is like there's so many ways this goes wrong are you really going to have volunteers for this I just I don't see it oh we're going to shove them all into our first responders in front line people are like okay whatever and your vote are going to make a huge amount of money off of it and the AOC character is like isn't it clear that the vote are the ones behind all of this and he's like doesn't matter the president subverting the FDA on this one it's like you would you'd think that after all the shit that we've seen the last thing anyone in this world would want except Vaught is to get this shit destroyed to never ever have it be a thing ever to make it illegal to get rid of all traces of it to destroy the research involved with it to not allow any company to produce it but it's the opposite that happens this is a really bad episode by the way just the tips of I went back only three episodes in sorry we're only three episodes in oh god we'll be here forever we'll never leave head popping convinces them to make more as opposed to less being a Yahtzee makes them decide no but why would it matter she's already been she's already taken out the equation so like she's bad but the thing is she's been Anakin Skywalker and she's also in custody so she can't do anything anymore we have the head popping problem so are you just gonna like yeah we know it's categorically proven that the head popping thing is beyond storm front because the dumb ass pops ahead when storm front is in hospital so that means that means there's more than sorry did we even address the whole we can see that her eyes go white whenever she pops heads but apparently no one never noticed that that's being televised and recorded I did rewatch the scene what they do that's commendable is that she's got sight on every single person that explodes but her eyes are clearly not going through what I don't even know what you'd call it because her eyes don't glaze over when she kills someone it's after she kills someone I guess it doesn't happen in the courtroom scene like at all oh and that's a pretty big fuck up I'm willing to agree that that's like an actual the kind of thing we were referencing earlier with a continuity sort of you could argue that the CGI people could have done it but they just didn't, I don't know there's no reason why they couldn't have put a little glint in her eye like a small one and that everyone in the courtroom just didn't happen to catch it it's annoying but like I just think that was a really good point about how like the government are fully convinced we need to arm all of our forces even our first responders with Cobb-Pabby but they decided against it once they find out Stormfront blew up the heads and she's connected to Nazis I don't really see how that connects to be honest with you hmm I'm trying I'm really trying but I don't know because the concern is like full on terrorisms and obviously it would go beyond Stormfront or we already know that even before someone's head explodes Stormfront because the head explodes are blamed on her which by the way since when was that an ability of hers does everyone actually believe it it's just like yeah she can just pop heads I guess yeah people just accept that even though it's pretty clear what her powers are I guess not though so they spent the time they could have spent on the CGI albibs there should we CGI this really important scene here that could cause issues with our stories shitty memes that's sort of the memes sort of VFX studios so we'll probably return to that I guess we'll continue so this episode like I said you're trying to get over that scene and they just throw you right into a scene where you've got several people with torches you got dogs and you have helicopters with spotlights somehow chasing butch's wife what is her name Becca she managed to climb over the wall be it with a grappling hook or whatever else without anyone stopping her despite the cameras and then she managed to be this close to people chasing her and she escapes them as I think many people agree escaping dogs at this point that's really hard so dogs are that's why they bring the dogs really good at this yeah like me watch the myth busters stuff about this like man we've been using dogs to track people for a long time dogs are useful we got those we got the super SNFs that's their superpower that's all those scouts would have been helped when butch did the thing there would have been what sorry also doesn't she have a tracker on her oh right that's another thing silly me for not remembering that of course she would be tracked because that's how the fuck would you the kid would have been tracked too so I want to know how she escapes from the facility like there's no way she can climb over the wall she said she wanted to go for a smoke break and they let her out I guess there's no way there's absolutely no way she could have gotten over the wall she's a stay at home mom she's not like a triathlete she's not a smoke at home mom it all makes sense why are they chasing her the packages her kid they don't want her getting away because she's the one that they think is going to be able to turn mini homelander into a good person Gus Frank says this a little bit later I like the idea that that apparently would just be like yeah you can walk right out that door no problem at all just the idea that they've lost the package and so they see her climbing over the wall they're like yeah whatever I just like the whole idea with the kid anyway it's like oh we're just going to keep this kid in here until it's like 18 years old I don't know and it's like oh by the way there's like a whole outside world yeah that'll work well with homelander and protect America it's like excuse me if young adults have never reacted like irrationally to any kind of that kind of stimuli if a kid is super tough like homelander and everything he can't get hurt just let him live a normal life not a weird quasi lie of a life that he will inevitably discover that because he's going to grow up he's like oh I was actually robbed of my childhood so you're going to have homelander 2.0 someone said remember Becca points out she was better at shooting or something than Butcher was apparently she has training of some kind in the 3rd episode before they go to the grand finale oh there you go that's the least of the issues honestly there's like a frog right now she was better at shooting than Butcher says like oh yeah but you had a good trainer hmm yeah I mean being better at shooting doesn't mean that you have what is it what the hell is the name of that there's like an escape training thing and from what I understand she was uh what's that like tactical espionage no no no there's actually a military course I cannot for the life of me remember it it's like escape evasion resist something for someone might know what it is I can't think of it but anyways Becca in her previous like she wasn't military or anything like that I don't think she was involved in CIA she was like basically a secretary and she had like political and bureaucratic jobs and stuff like the only reason why she went to like the range was because that's what Butcher did and they just like went together and that's it and so they put out that oh yeah she's a better shot than her but that doesn't mean that she has the skills required to escape from the to be fair all it takes is your training there you go thank you we've seen plenty people do it's fine yeah all it takes is a grappling hook and convenient editing and you could just escape from anywhere someone said a chat so you guys don't like the boys what a surprise the only thing Mola likes is infinity war what yeah that's that's it that's the only thing they were specifically yeah just as long as you guys don't talk shit about infinity war we're all good that's what it's about it we're pro infinity war anti everything else fuck everything else though yeah those are weird comments like we were we were hyper critical of end game does that count for anything hope no we regularly say all the time that civil war is the best of the marvel mcu movies well redundant say marvel mcu the mcu movies should have talked about how great homecoming is we started this e-fap talking about how insanely good the haunting of bly manner is but all right in finesse boring show i mean you guys are pretty big fans of bat woman to oh bat woman is top bat woman is gold though everyone should watch bat woman was fucking great Burton speaking of gold i really appreciated the the setup with the the incredibly important pocket knife oh right yeah i mean like they they made sure to put it center screen and like they even zoomed in to make sure that like there was no way that you didn't notice it this one's funny they also added the noise like the unsheathed noise oh did they yeah that that's what knives sound like when you go i'll play that for chat in a second once one second clear cover but i was just going to say that um so again i love to picture the writing room they're like oh man this payoff is so fucking cool where she stabs stormfront wait wait wait where would she get a knife from and some other guys like oh shit yeah where could she possibly have a knife we'd have to set that up yeah there's no way to carry a knife yeah carrying a knife would be absurd if you're going to attack superheroes in any way shape or form like like just having a knife that's just an impossible we need to we need to show the people that she has a knife yeah it does do the shing sound you know what it makes me uh think of it's textbook like it's imagine the writers like opened chapter in a writing book and like it was chapter two checkoffs gun yeah and like like this is awesome we gotta put this in and like they it's like a like a fifth grade writing assignment like they they put it in in such a like a simplistic an obvious way like this oh my god i think a much better way for them to have set this up is during the scene when the boys and all of them were getting ready to go and grab ryan right you have all of them gearing up their loading weapons and this sort of stuff during that time you could have seen Becca like taking a knife and like folding it and putting it her in her pocket it would have been really subtle and it but it was still would have established the fact that oh she has the knife on her and that way when it gets pulled out and when she actually uses it like you may not have been thinking about it when you first saw it but the back of your mind would would recognize oh yeah i remember she put that in her pocket but instead they do this which is just like obvious and dumb yeah at least they set up the knife that's what i was being like high five that goodness that's gonna be useful for an eye stabbing later we're totally gonna get to it so we get a nice little what i buy call a throw away scene where he's like mum go away be careful and the mum's like okay and we get um a really weird scene i don't know how else to describe this one we're gearing up to attack the soups so we've got an RPG with electronics isms on it that's gonna try and take care of stonefront sweet we've got almond joys prepared for black noir uh what what can you i just like the idea that uh you you have a like a neutral cube room you spawn mm you spawn black noir mm's like i'm gonna die unless i have an almond joy thank fuck i do it's like alright what do you think you can do next show me like you walk up to it and stuff the chocolate bar it is like what are you pictures gonna happen mm try to like rub it on or something i guess i'm gonna give him some skin irritation all black noir has to do is get a mask that's not easily take off a ball i guess that you'll be okay baby yeah i guess it's a good thing he's got that mask yeah oh shuriken's at you which seem to be fairly effective yeah so and i've just got almond joy he's losing unless it for a train they have uh like is it like a adrenaline i forget what the thing they have they they're gonna fuck with his heart is the point they're gonna inject him in someone they'll fuck his heart up that's their plan so as far as they know a train can run fine um how do you propose injecting him with something when he can run that fast again the i just i just wonder about these things okay i'm just like you guys have these plans but you seem to have thought about zero seconds on how to execute any of them and so that's about it unless i was to rewatch and find more references you might think to yourselves wait how you dealing with homelander well they're gonna play a really loud noise and that's about it they're hoping that he'll be distracted by a really loud noise for long enough that nothing else could go wrong we're gonna come back to that so dumb also mel you sound dying like if you want to go to sleep it's totally okay i'm not going to sleep it's gonna be wrestling in two hours jeez there you go so yeah that's our plan we're loading up we're gonna kill any in all soups this is the big finale guys the boys versus the soups um this is the scene where she says Gus is smart for his kind i can't remember anything else that happens well isn't that oh right hold on let me uh let me skim forward a bit ah wait we're about to be walked to in terms of time stamp just uh because i was away for five minutes getting some coffee uh around about well we're on 9 30 now unless there was anything in the car ride you guys would want to oh nah not that isn't um what does she say she said something like why would you why would you come save me like as if you would need a reason beyond the fact that they care about each other and yeah they're clearly in a relationship and they care about each other that duh these two the show seems to forget that for some reason like they wanted is that to remind the audience she says after how i treated you remember and and it's like but you didn't like what what exactly exactly not badly what are you talking about enough that he would happily leave you to die like i i don't think i follow that one i don't get that yeah i don't think you've really done that was bad was kill that guy yeah he doesn't apparently doesn't even know about that so he doesn't even have to wrestle with that moral quandary besides the burger you're pretty cool yeah that little detail that would be great at the finale everything works out they're all chill it is like did you kill someone what did i dream that she's like oh what a terrible dream that was um yeah and so they go to mave in the hopes that they can recruit her for help she shouts at them he's like no you're stupid you're a twink and you're annoying i think is a summary um and as we said in the stream rags when i was like oh this is 100% going to be who saves the day it's clear as fuck that she's going to come in yeah little do we know uh that that would be the case but in a way that makes no fucking sense at all unfortunately yeah we it was pretty clear that we'd get a mavex makina we didn't think that it'd be like twice but and that neither i thought they justify them they could have a turn up for reasons other than you know um well by the way i don't know if someone mentioned this but they they say at some point that like noah has brain damage from the allergic reaction ah he'll forget yeah you'll forget you're right he's on the sidelines and they'll just bring him back whenever they want him back in the story in fairness they can argue that he didn't they've did it ah too osu strong no no no he'll just be like you know someone someone shoved a chocolate bar in my mouth they could have i don't know it's like were they really strong he's like you know i just don't remember you know surely they must have been if they could have done that to me i just feel like a normal person i wouldn't have allowed that to happen how about this do they not have records of where these trackers are going in all of our soups in which case check the history who was the tracks right behind the fingerprints on the vending machine that would work maves logic in this scene just makes no sense like she wants to stay out of it because she doesn't want to get in any more trouble but when black noir inevitably wakes up he's going to blame her which is going to put her in a potentially life-threatening situation so really the best option for her is to throw in with starlight and the boys to try to win that way because if she just like sits on the side like i don't see how she wins by not helping like yeah and the whole point of her having that footage was to use surely well i guess she's abandoned that right she's given up and and i think that's what they were implying it doesn't make sense but yeah that's what joe thinks has happened yeah every soups fingerprints would be on the vending machine rags like you i don't know i assumed you were fucking around i was fucking around about because remember when we did the joke about her she gets the pulls out her super wallet she gets a dollar bill or maybe she doesn't have one she has to hunt someone down and ask for change while this fight's going on if batman can have a back credit card she can have a mave credit card okay oh yeah maybe um in terms of problems with the episode this one's much smaller but i still think this is fucking retarded um you have the hideout the boys are underneath they're preparing above is their store the storefront it's like it's more of a like thing becker comes in saying butcher i need butchers with butcher and the guys up there are like huh there's a lady asking for you butcher come up that seems to be a major breach of how the security should probably work in this place butcher someone fucking knows you're here well not just that but like if someone if you let's just say we are the ones who are running the store for the boys looking after them someone comes in going oh my god can i speak to butcher and need him right now like i'll be like uh butchers next door like a person called butcher you uh like you're looking for the butcher yeah the shop yeah and then you're like hey uh one of you guys check if anyone here is called butcher that's a weird one uh checking the back i guess and then you can go down and be like shit someone's here right now asking for butcher you need to leave you need to get out of the back um but no they're like hey someone's looking and he comes to the fucking front of the store like can't exactly be funny if it was homelander butcher hey butcher there's a guy here and then lices everybody and it's funny because this would probably be major if not for the fact that they've treated it this way the whole damn season they just don't give a shit like ah it's so annoying but yeah she found the place because he gave it away as part of his things that he told it which again butcher just doesn't know shit he's an idiot he didn't tell her the address he just said that it's in xyz part of the city right like it's this area didn't you say what kind of store it was he just said it's a pawn shop in such and such store in such and such part of the uh the city did he give a street like what's that no he didn't give a street he just gave like a um um if you want put it on subtitles you'll probably see it but like he tells it's like a part of the city it's not a specific street but even then like it doesn't matter because if you've ever been to a city there's like pawn shops everywhere so yeah i was gonna say either he gave her too much information or not enough that she could find like how does she find the exact first of all how does she even get there like she teleported around the dogs and now she's teleported into the city and now she's in the area and there's like a dozen pawn shops and she just happens to go to the exact one well the funny part is that she's like a raving person and they're keeping her outside and I just like the idea that she went to the wrong one and she's demanding to see butcher people be like are you okay the butcher is across the street you are oh my god stop me uh yeah they're lucky they meet up they're all gonna prepare oh Gus and collective leader are talking about how they talk about how they've got they've got shit on stormfront in the middle of their conversation as well as saying that a train is out because of stormfront's tisms which she used to be a part of this she's not anymore they've got they've got info on it and tins out a train decided he would eavesdrop on this conversation I wonder how hot it is to open and close a door as a speedster in a way that wouldn't alert anyone or make a huge gust of wind you know what I mean yeah cause everything else is still as normal like if you open and close a door almost instantly like in a split second that's gonna go whoo what just what just happened but of course he manages to sort of maybe only opened it a little bit and then I don't know it's very strange but he hears it all which is gonna give him access to allow the destruction of stormfront just keep an eye on it it's gonna come back then the again we mentioned this before but it's a little bit hazier on it now what's the the line that Ryan says to homelander it's like a plus and then homelander is like she has a lot of sayings yeah it's like mom says you should always you know try and learn new things he said it's a good thing to do and homelander because he's a fucking imbecile instead of using that and said you know what your mom's right that is a good idea let me teach you a few things he says like oh how about you there's a lot of things to do cause homelander is an idiot yeah then they take him to planet vort to chill out for a bit it's mostly I'm just trying to edge us toward the big tisms oh he's a big tism so they're driving along sad that they couldn't get anything from mave and uh lucky for them a train has already stolen the information and he's gonna hand it over to these guys I suppose there's no real issue in terms of like relatively anyway the issue of him finding them will just assume that he found them because he's he does say like I just ran around the block and found you eventually yeah but I mean isn't he supposed to have like a heart condition or hope I guess that's gone now no no no you missed the scene where he said thank goodness I have been fixed of that issue thank you I understand it's not fair that he's there so the big problem with this scene is that he's an idiot again um a train is going he needs to give them sensitive information to burn storm front instead of waiting for them to be in a private area he waits he does it while they're driving on a main road which by the way they're gonna be freaked out that they see you so why would you risk them crashing the car which they kind of do by the way yeah narrowly yeah and then of course um you'd think like how are they gonna recover from this it's like well they will step out of the car and simply talk on the street as a train starlight and a criminal which by the way starlight has been criminalized by vort as well yeah yeah they don't crash the car and of course yeah you don't have any trouble with this loads of people walking by nobody cares they've seen a current respected member of the superheros hand a bunch of shit to criminals it's like hmm that seems a little dodgy why would you do this it's a broad day life so stupid um so yeah that's gonna become relevant real soon I think oh now yeah so we're onto the uh the Gus butchers scene um this is the one that has that that line where Gus says he can't being angry is a white man thing or something yeah yeah it's like being something along the lines of he doesn't have the uh the privilege to like to be angry it says the extremely famous rich actor extremely famous super rich CEO well I mean it's not his fault that that's the line yeah yeah it's just I don't blame him at all it's just it it's deliciously ironic coming from that actor playing this character it's fucking crazy it's just one of those it's one of those virtue signal moments like see we said the thing apparently he gets in trouble actually because he's um I think he's uh dating I don't know if he's definitely uh European hold on uh damn it they were all yeah they were like all mad at him throwing a fit forgetting Latin American roles yeah because he is uh he is well he was born yeah he was born in Denmark um I mean right yeah I know what the fuck but yeah let's uh let's what was what was the pertinent thing in that scene it was that they cut a deal and Butcher is going to turn over he's gonna just take his wife and not the son yes the the plan is uh you guys will sweep up Ryan I will be able to live a happy life with my wife if I can get you homelander away if I can get you the kid away from homelander deal and they're like yes they don't even question how it's possible well actually I think they do and and he's just like hey I'll take care of that it's like uh like why would you risk all of your man in vort if if are this crazy idea but I guess maybe they don't care they're like the first order in terms of just we'll just plug them in see what happens um it's it's a it's an insane plan and I don't see how anyone thinks any of it is gonna work um they are going to get homelander away from Ryan by setting up a bunch of speakers to play a loud sound and of course if you have super hearing that would be more annoying um I saw I think it was someone streamed so many we didn't even bring up had uh homelander taken Ryan with him to inspect the sound the whole plan would have fallen apart yeah yeah I didn't even thought that I was just like damn yeah it's lucky he left him behind I guess um because the idea that it's like no he left him behind because he knows it's safe in the cabin I'd be like okay number one you don't know that this could have been like if homelander had half a brain cell he could assume that this is a plan from somebody to Ryan's superhero so like I don't see what like what would be the concern storm front killing him or some shit I don't know um it's him destroying the sound things doesn't make sense either because like there's like 50 of them he chops off like 3 yeah he lasers like 10 of them and then all the rest of them just like stop working even though they're in perfect condition I guess it would look a little bit weirder if he was just going zigzaggy you know like you could cut the scene at him starting to laser and then yeah there's all different ways they could have handled that or they could just have like one big device like they didn't have to have you know a million other little things right well yeah um and it's it's just an odd idea they think that that's gonna like I'll be able to show visuals for it in a sec but we gotta we gotta meme everyone checking out it's a funny one oh that's good that's a good one his face is so perfect those faces fit really well they do good job they fit very well um well the scene that follows cutting the deal is like one of the few actually good scenes in the in the entire show oh yeah one last thing before we go to that one I guess is that uh butcher thinks that he can have ryan taken away and live happily ever after with becker yeah as if that's how is that an option fucking idiot yeah she would never ever stop yeah I mean she'd never forgive him for sure like why would he think that she'd be that's just that's her son like that's her child yeah she said the reason that they didn't leave together the first in the first place is because she said ryan's coming with us he already knows this won't work but that's the thing is like usually a fucking head man like you may have not grown up with this kid but she raised him so son you think she's just gonna be cool with abandoning him but butchers an idiot like is that ever was a fucking idiot this season um yeah this was a good scene that actually brings up another question when they were originally going to leave with becker ryan and butcher and they were gonna climb over the wall like how okay so butcher butcher well butcher can climb over himself becker doesn't have the upper body strength so maybe with help um like butcher could have helped her climb up over but what are they gonna do with ryan like yeah he has superpowers but he doesn't know how to use them they'll dig so are they gonna like put him in a basket and like and like call him over the the wall or something yeah fuck it let's just throw him over he'll be fine they can attach the grappling hook to his shirt and just pull him over the side or something maybe that is the answer he'd hold on to the rope while butcher pulls the rope up how about that or he'd say oh i'm gonna go for a smoke and they just hide in the car or something um so yeah this this scene is homelander talking about how you don't go from you don't automatically become a superman type you you move your way there you grow your way there and that uh even he has cried before it's like the one scene that i actually have this season i'm like hey this is a good scene i really like this scene and it stands out as being good compared to all the pretty much terrible ones uh or passable ones but this one was actually good and i want to know where this character has been this whole season yeah do you imagine they like all the writers came down with some kind of like food poisoning when they got an order and like the guy who you know cleans the room was like i can write this scene i guess while you guys are all of them yeah it's like when ringo wanted to write a song and so they were just like yeah all right sure right it's your song and then they looked at it and he's like oh shit this is actually really really good can you teach us how to do this but it was too late it was already down the hall into the whole thing and he was gone and there was song again except later yeah we we have that cool scene and then the next scene is in preparing for war while sending you know pitches to the press that stormfathers are Nazi um yeah and more memes like someone manages to make like okay so i can understand i can understand like images you could throw that stuff together in like two minutes but someone manages to make like a fully animated cartoon oh you're right yeah like within like within minutes of the announcement and the information getting out there some well guys they they suspected it i guess they just had a hunch that she was a secret Nazi laboratory experiment they just had it they called him crazy but he knew it and he he had this ready for that announcement and once it came the news came out he slapped upload it is a ultimate indication oh my god i made a Nazi version of like every single one of them and this one's finally going to be relevant like he would go upload upload and then i think what what a chemico and uh friend she talked about in the scene right before like oh they're talking about her like freezing up over a storm front yeah so not really important at all honestly it feels like something that doesn't seem important to anything that was happening what the fuck is this animation i just i just managed to get it on stream for everybody Nazi storm front hitler's star i guess these are lyrics run her over with a car nice nice oh what did she she said uh she she used the word the term white genocide in this scene before that right yeah yes yes it's another one of those it just slapped you totally out in the whole thing internet terminology it feels like they didn't even really earn that i i get that she's racist but she thinks there's a white genocide now like damn i don't know where this came from the weird one i think she would have alluded to it could we never really got the whole race message that they ever put out to anybody you know but why is she saying it to a kid who's totally divorced from the political landscape yeah well he has no idea what you're talking about he's just confused he's like also i didn't like homeland is confused well i was gonna say homeland is stupid enough to say this i just still find it funny he's like i find it easier to start up my lasers what it's of what i hate you're like yes set up for 30 minutes later no of course but on its own it's just like what do you along how it's just that's that's all i've got for all of these things it's like this thing that just sets this other thing up a few minutes later for me did you did you catch how dumb ass homelander is teaching his kid how to fire lasers and he's placed the target right in front of his own fucking house see at this point you wonder if it's on purpose please burn it down do it burn it all fucking down so we never have to come here again he's also using a toy of the deep which the deep which uh the deep is a joke ryan might be opposed to destroying yeah whatever wait would ryan even know what the deep is i guess he would at this point yeah he's mostly homelander is so he yeah wait a minute why would he know who homelander is if he lives in a fortress designed to shelter him from like the idea with the fortress that it's like the world is out in this fortress you're just not allowed to go see it like the treatment show kind of kind of no i don't i don't think he learned about homelander until the end of season one like when he first appears and homelander is like hey i'm your dad and then like there's kind of the uncomfortable explanation because later on when we get the whole pewdiepie thing um what's his name uh or or stormfront's like oh your dad was in movies and ryan's like oh you were in movies and he's like yeah and he starts listing off a bunch of them and stuff and then he's like oh there's even a roller coaster and he's all excited and he wants to leave there's actually another scene that we kind of skipped over um that i thought was actually decent which was when um becca gets mad at this because she doesn't want ryan to know about this stuff and they go outside and then becca and ryan how excuse me becca and homelander have a talk and he and he says like look you can't hide all this stuff from him it's gonna fuck him up and you know when he when he does get out there he's gonna panic and he's like look what happened to me like it's kind of like he kind of recognizes that he's screwed up and he doesn't want to happen to his kid and it actually seemed like it was kind of a sincere sincere moment and he's like um i would agree with that in concept rather than execution because he's uh the way he's handling it with his son is like awful so the idea that we got this one moment where he's being almost intelligent like much like the other scene where he talks to ryan about a crying thing to me it's just almost like out of character there's someone someone in chat was like that is kind of in character for him to have placed the doll there that would bird his own house down i'm like if the show's convinced you he's a dumbass at this point then yeah i guess so that's fine honestly like but i just that that takes the parts where he's intelligent to a position where i'm just like yeah i don't think that's the character you've been building um so they leak the evil nazi tisms um and the funny picture that we all wanted to get with her and hitler arises yeah finally it was glorious did you notice that on the bottom there of the cnn it says credible lead ties storm front to jeffrey epstein's death oh my god really i'm not sure what that meant or what i whatever um i honestly think that's their attempt of being funny i guess like i feel like that's meant to be a joke yeah um i guess we see that uh oh yep you know the idea this is a deep fake or this is a photo shop i can believe it she doesn't really look like storm front there in that particular picture she looks kind of weird i guess it's the documents right the other stuff of course it's just i find this picture amusing because it's hitler well i mean it's because that one probably is like a fake well it has to well they're all going to be fake if they're uh oh i think i know what you mean yeah yeah i'll let's take a look like you could fake you could fake it better than that you could use yeah you could photoshop her into it but it looks like someone else so the idea is there with hitler it's just it's i think that the idea or not the subsequent scene is mave is like oh no now this makes me care because you're a nazi like the kind of look she gives her when she's walking past she was apathetic and now she actually needs to stop her yeah may as well signpost that mave spots storm front in vort tower there she is she's looking upset wonder how that'll affect things to come and so yeah once they activate the sound they knew that homelander would check it out separate from ryan and they knew that he wouldn't be able to deal with it very fast for example traveling to the sound source at the speed of sound probably be pretty quick lasering it and then traveling back at the speed of sound your window is going to be very small you got it and yet they manage to drive all the way over to this cabin search it out and then have this discussion the last way too long um and of course drive back and somehow they managed to get fine and yet homelander arrives a little late and he wants to interrogate these group of vort security soldier people who were like wait where's the kid we're supposed to pick up the kid what's going on the homelander's like yeah what is going on gentlemen what's uh where's my son and he apparently blows all of them up to the point of splashing flesh and blood all over him in an attempt to find an answer that they don't have scary even though it makes no sense that he would be drenched in blood I like the convenient chatter on this walk under the guy's walkie-talkie as well did you get the kid so homelander going into this building has no reason to assume anything evil of these people necessarily they could they're a part of vort too so they could be like sir we're here to help you or something like that the obvious thing that they say is we found out the kid was missing we came into a vestigate have you seen him have you seen your son but unfortunately for them someone on the radio says did you get the kid yet so homelander's like hmm like oh no but of course it doesn't make sense because if he was to talk to the you know commanding officer whoever they may be and say where is my son and the commanding officer says I don't know homelander would be able to tell he's not lying and that would be it yeah yeah so instead homelander has to rip into them all personally and homelander wasting all this time yeah and slash flash all over the room make him look creepy when but if he had done that and then left the place he would have been able to catch up with the boys because they're all having a big discussion right now naturally this is not one of his childish like outbursts like burning down the pillar and stuff I just mean it's just super lucky for our heroes that homelander's making all the decisions he makes in this episode I mean it's super lucky to fly back to pot tower as well because oh yeah sorry yeah we didn't mention why did storm front fly back to port tower why to look at the video on on that video screen why you can only do it on the meme screens it's funny because whatever reason you come up with it will be in opposition to whatever the reason you can come up with why she came back so quickly like this doesn't work also I can't remember where or when this was but we definitely got an answer on this hey guys does that belt look buckled it doesn't look buckled that doesn't look very safe well I mean what's the worst that could happen I'm sure all of you have a really buckle your belts and how many times have you crashed like zero so really it's fine unfortunately storm front is on the prowl she comes back to this exact spot who knows why like honestly why I don't know um and this is what happens to the car just um let me let me get that distance shock so I always find it really funny you know the kiwi one and whether or not he should have been more or less hurt depending on a couple of variables I think this one's a little bit more categorical don't you guys think the fact that the car didn't get crushed is pretty unbelievable isn't it it's so absurd look at how high up it went it's crazy hard partially fine jeez come on that's insane we survived that or at least they were seriously injured it would be a miracle if they lived with seatbelts I would be shocked so the big surprise that I think both of us had when we first watched this immediately is so this is I'm about to play the scene where it it's coming to a stop boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom the car doesn't seem to bend or break it just it's solid which is really I don't want to do the animations I don't want to have the model change or well I assume it's to justify why they're unhurt see the car managed to take most of the damage you're like what to point out what someone said in chat I rolled a truck off cliff from Icy Road 5 times down out of scratch so here's the thing I totally believe you if you're wearing a seatbelt and all your car does is roll over you're fine and you're walking out of that crash because that's what cars and seatbelts are designed to do that's what happens but they weren't wearing seatbelts they got thrown through the air and as someone pointed out they landed roof first and it doesn't buckle it just bounces so uh yeah that's insane but you know it freaked us all out for a moment there, very scary now this is the interesting thing we kind of wrote it up earlier everyone's going to face off with Stormfront our retards don't go and grab the RPG instead they pull out their pistols yeah don't yeah that'll stop her your pistols will definitely, well maybe if they hit her in the eye you had one job like let the superheros distract Stormfront set up the RPG rocket thing electric thing and then use it but no you gotta have a big ol fight go on get your rocket launcher with your EMP yeah oh and for reference everyone in the car is fine don't worry about it oh yeah they're fine don't worry about it did you don't even have to rocket launcher it's like lying around you somewhere it's like in the back of the car on the back seats dropped ups like why what are you doing you think you'd have somebody with it ready like behind a tree or something you'd think yeah and so they're like oh it's so bad they're like wait Huey quick go and get the RPGs get the RPGs and so Stormfront just blows them up because why wouldn't you anything else would have been stupid she remembers the Panzerschrecks from the the world war two and she's like no no bazooka americano you wouldn't even have to yell like she does have some level of superhering right so like even if he just said it like hey hey Huey go get the RPGs she would probably still hear it so Huey think that they were like wouldn't he just they were really close to the explosion oh you're right is there a window open or something because normally electricity doesn't get easy into a car right well if you're in a car and you're struck by lightning you'll be fine yeah that's what I was getting at I mean I don't know how it exactly works obviously when you superpowers I mean yeah they're lucky about that explosion that's fine though I'm sure it's all fine it's all fine totally unscathed they're unherp it's all good and we've effectively set up that the RPG is gone oh no I also think we've talked before about how her electric can do between 0 and 10 damage apparently and whenever it's one of our heroes it's on one yeah whatever you know whatever it's like a human who can't the boy specifically it doesn't kill them immediately and then Maeve Ex Machina right on schedule oh there she is sneaky Maeve taking a peek she just she was at fort tower stormfront left fort tower and started this fight immediately a few minutes after Maeve is here Maeve has no superpowers that evolve traveling beyond jumping far if we could call that that speed which wouldn't even really increase her speed to any significant degree and on top of that if she was like leaping through the air and like slamming into the ground don't you think people in the area would have noticed like when there's suddenly this massive impact she wouldn't be able to surprise attack stormfront while doing that what's even dumber about this though is if you go oddly frame by frame sorry cat if you go frame by frame you can actually see like behind stormfront it shows an angle of Kimiko on the ground and it shows the road and there's nothing there then it shows a front view of stormfront and you can see behind stormfront granted it's at a little bit of an angle but you can still see behind her and in both of those seeds like both of those like little cuts there is absolutely nothing on the road whatsoever behind stormfront and then when she turns around she's just there so like I mean maybe if they had made it so like you could see Maeve like walking forward when Kimiko is on the ground and it's like oh okay oh what's going to happen but no she just like it would be it would be cool if you sprinting toward her in the background when you do these pauses but that is not the case there you go people that's the shot you need no Maeve she must have jumped and landed right next to her and then hit her dramatically do all that um and yeah uh of course girls get it done that they do remember that thing we made fun of we're doing it they have superpowers here it's wammons beating up on a wammons now that is the complete of the first what you could call climax and it's a little confusing because she flies away like wait is it over then because I mean stormfront can regroup now and um I can't remember who I asked this last but I'll just throw it out to any of you guys who don't like try and aim for genuine answers if you hadn't seen this episode what is stormfront's goal right now kill em all I guess um so if I'm being beat the fuck up by a bunch of people around me three of which I know are superheros oh all of them um I would want to leave yeah if I was beaten to a pulp and uh my goals in life are to generate that super army that's my main thing then yeah I'm out of here hopefully homelander can help me out in future I can probably work on getting that PR storm dealt with um but no she chooses to go after Ryan uh I don't I don't get it but think about because okay so she's getting beat up she flies into the air none of the other characters can fly she can just like hover and zap them with lightning the entire time like nobody like what are they gonna do they could like try to throw her but like girls get it done is a reference to endgame's female scene the crew said so but like it's done unironically so I guess they missed the first half of the stream um when they satirize it and they have it as part of Vort's like promotional shit where they have three girls with their fists up saying girls get it done that's great I love it great stuff when you actually do it you've done it I don't understand how this is satire anymore when you literally do the thing girls really do get it done do we do understand the difference right I don't know I'm just a little bit lost on this one it's um but yeah Stormfront doesn't take advantage of the fact that she can fly and shoot lightning at the same time I think well the surenette seems to forget all the time about the flying ones just fly through these people like let's just do that I just love the idea that it's like oh my god making fun of thing thing is so lame right guys yeah let's do it yeah but we do it we do it the right way they can't even appeal to it like I said they can't even appeal to making sense cause it doesn't so it's just like go away cause the you could argue that the infinity wall has one remember the three girls together beating up the girl but like I just that one seemed fine to me but no bullshit had a problem with that one right I believe which one sir it's not over it's just that someone's beating a black widow I think and she says like you're gonna die alone and then someone says she's not alone and it's it's scarlet witch okay I mean I don't feel like that is the thing that people think it is then I don't know those three are on the battlefield there's no reason why they wouldn't help each other like I'm fine with it as opposed to like 15 people the end game one is absolute garbage and then this one is cringy because it comes from them having made fun of the same shit so I just don't get it yeah so she zaps butcher but of course she doesn't kill him because that would be bad for the plot she even like hardcore throws him into a tree and it just doesn't yeah you'll just have it like you didn't even have a seatbelt on so like Becca stabs her in the eye right before I just want to highlight how funny this moment is she just zombifiably walks up to riot like riot it's okay come with me it's all gonna be good she gets like really close and holds her arm out like what are you doing woman doesn't want to go with you yeah it's she gets so close and uh yeah then the thing happens go ahead well she stabs her in the eye with a big knife that's hit her brain she's dead crazy precision as well yeah I think yeah she's dead I think you could even argue that her invulnerability wouldn't allow that to happen anyways unless it's like selective well this is the whole thing right impervious to nukes but apparently knives can go through eyes well guess what nukes can also go through eyes well and trap nul and explosions and concussive force bullets big that knife is long that knife is huge well I wanted to highlight right so we can see here that it's gone through what looks to be like flush to the handle which is pretty pretty bad and now let's see how big that handle is well the knife is relative to god damn it my pausing game is off today hold on I'll get it let me see oh my it's it is it is the length of her like fist you're dead you're dead yeah well look at that beast it's not even like it's thick too well thick as in what's the correct the the depth of it I'm not sure which dimension I'm going for here I know what you mean but it's wide yeah it's a big knife that's gonna hurt you that's in your brain there's no way about it also I do like this image of her she looks so annoyed oh man not my eye that's my secret Nazi lab experiment eye my favorite eye so yeah I don't see how anybody would have watched this and not been like wait what you can do that that yeah it's it's so dumb in the span of about one minute let's see she's immune to bullets but then her invulnerability gets turned off and she gets hit by the knife but then it gets turned back on when butcher is trying to hit her with a crowbar and it does nothing oh dude why didn't he stab her in the eye with a crowbar that would have worked yeah exactly then it gets shut off again when Ryan hits her also I should point out that the reason why they did the eye thing is because it happened in the comics except it wasn't Becca who did it it was Kimiko who did it and the reason why Kimiko could do it is because she has super strength she basically like gouged out Stormfront's eye so my question is okay you want to do the thing because the thing was done in the comic why didn't you do it in the previous fight with Kimiko Maeve and Starlight that would have been a much better kind of rationale for Stormfront to just quickly escape you know she loses an eye she panics and then she flies away and then when she finally lands and she tries to talk to Ryan obviously she looks gruesome her eyes been ripped out that would make it even more repulsive so it would link all these things together in a logical way where it makes sense okay super powered person commits you know has damage on another person instead of Excalibur pocket knife able to someone decided it seems to have cut her eyelid as well which now it raises even more questions oh wait wait no that can't no that's impossible no God you just you got to pick something isn't it skin is in her eyeballs what is it figure it out and then yeah Ryan lasers and pretty badly hurts yeah so hierarchy powers we have to just assume then that his laser is the most powerful laser like it's this fucking intense laser it's got to be stronger than that mother fucker went into space it's going to slam into a planet at some point destroy the whole thing it takes her legs off and her arm we had someone say like that we missed a detail that it wasn't Ryan who killed the mum it was Stormfront she dug into a deck with her handle some shit it's like no they're explicit it's Ryan who did it which is confusing because a laser would probably cauterize but uh yeah it's weird that this is the first time this knife seems to create that kind of wound well I think what's weird is that you know Stormfront is pretty messed up and yet the mum isn't a pile of goo well so this is something I think I asked rags when we did the stream I was like what happened so you have two bodies one with the arm on the other's neck and you have a laser go off that hits body head right arm chopping it off and both legs chopping them off and only the left part of the neck of person B like damn that's some interesting cutting around you did there I just it's weird to me because if you laze it off Stormfront's legs you'd totally hit in the mum's legs I don't see how you yeah this here um but she needed to die dramatically and in a way that she could convey information to him well yeah everyone felt like it's what's the dealio like it's just like pop culture reference to Anakin like people actually feel like that's what they're going for I guess I I think so look at her one of her arms is fine and three of her limbs aren't yeah and the face is burned like it I gotta admit it's like damn that is close to Anakin yeah yeah so the knife thing is definitely pulled directly from the comics but other than like she like Stormfront never that never happens to Stormfront in the comics in the comics he loses the eye and then he gets his head smashed in and his brains get pulled out basically so well I'm guessing they may want to bring it back mecha front season three four even mecha storm front season four there you go yeah back and dead someone highlighted with mentioning it's weird that starlight can't use the electricity that stormfront uses against it and what's funny is they referenced as an example of Thor powering up Iron Man it's like a cool combo thing and it's like yeah but the MCU is way better than the boys sorry the edgy controversial take well I guess I should clarify the the better movies of the MCU because there are there are movies of the MCU that I Captain Marvel is probably worse than the boys overall I guess but we're not like Iron Man three yeah Black Panther it's pretty bad those are the those are the trifactor of bad from the MCU right and then you can have like Thor 2 and a few extras the really bad ones so yeah she bleeds out and she tells him to look after the kid and then we get to the big final blackmail oh no here we go homelander shows up and he's like oh jeez stormfront you're looking weird with your German and you're dying I can't understand you what are you saying most people will laugh at that by the way here just talking in German it's just like yeah stop doing that it's funny um before a holider arrives like right before he arrives butcher picks up the crowbar and it looks like he's gonna go and kill Ryan yeah and then he only stops because homelander arrives and then he's like I made a promise it was like wait you were gonna kill him like two seconds ago yeah I didn't mean to misspeach like that that is a bit of a weird back and forth um so homelander's upset of course and he's like right I'm taking my son getting the fuck out of here and then butcher's like lolna and then he's like okay I'll just kill you then like it's been long enough and of course he kills butcher credits roll and next season we'll see homelander and his son bro we learn into bonds see how he carries on the story but for the fun of it we've actually designed an entire simulation of this episode in the matrix and we're gonna inject Maeve into this scene suddenly we're just gonna drop her in copy-paste style it's gonna be really funny boom she's here oh look there she is oh she's gonna pull out her phone and say hey you know this thing that you did I'm gonna show the world unless you don't pursue her girlfriend you don't pursue them you don't pursue me or Elena and you don't pursue starlight basically and it's funny she may as well just said stop being evil because like why not at this point and homelander agrees yeah he agrees I do like it if Maeve showed up a few seconds later dead dead and do you like how she showed up but none of the boys are like where is everybody yeah I guess they're just chilling out Maeve can't teleport like Maeve can do you like the idea that they're all waiting in that like runway area whatever it is and Maeve is like I smell something and jumps I'm sure they'll be fine where you going Maeve how would she even find them anyways Maeve doesn't have like super hearing she doesn't have anything she just turns up she's just wonder woman basically she's just generally strong yeah but yeah this is so homelander what you should have done is just killed her immediately shot the phone and then killed her and then killed Butcher and then congrats you win and then kill starlight as well I guess and the boys just find them all and then you won you win it's over how about we do the ending where homelander doesn't land there in time Butcher beats the child to death and it actually works blood is everywhere then homelander sees it goes nuts and burns Butcher to death flies over to the boys slices them all in half like a rag doll and just slams her into several planets and then into the sun and then he's like he just rules over earth as emperor homelander like yeah fuck it let's do it well yeah this should be your death note you know light standing over I mean surely we can do spoilers for 15 year old well I think people want us to see that one I don't know if it's oh yeah actually I just realized cause yeah don't worry but yeah the general thing here is you've won and as I was watching this scene all I thought is oh it's over this is it this is the end of the show it has to be yeah this was really disappointing this was one of those balloons letting loose all of its air you're just like uh okay that's how it ends she's just gonna threaten that you can just laser the phone kill mave kill Butcher fly out I mean why would it matter anyway he's been seen killing innocent people if you just get some Nazi memes going he'll be fine like what's the concern homelander the funny thing is uh he wouldn't lose the adoration and love of the world with that video cause her logic is uh no one will ever and also mave are you he said hey if you do that I'm just gonna end the human race and you're like yeah that's cool with me you could call that a bluff I guess it's a it's a rough play by mave but I still just think that he would have just killed her oh of course he would what and also you know you're not safe he'll just get you when you least expect it well yeah and rolling on now the status quo is maven starlight are both in the 7 still and they've been reinstated which is like wow okay that's a lot did you put a new tracker into starlight it's weird the show once it's status quo but the status quo has been irreversibly destroyed yeah they said everything bad in the world was caused by storm front so that's fine um and homelander yeah and everyone just goes along with that and homelander's got his position as respected and awesome eermann master baits across the city yeah he was really sad about losing his son which is why we see him masturbating in the scene over the city yeah I don't quite understand how any of this really works is she because I don't see like homelander's really stupid I get that but like what how is it that mave can be like yeah so I'm going to hold this over your head forever is like I don't think is that the get out of jail free card for like everything yeah every single thing they don't want homelander to do I guess they'll threaten to release the video that's just I'm sure he'll just stand for that um I think they were really proud of the shot of him they were like this is so cool but it came so just ill timed for me with this because I was trying to understand what they were doing with homelander and I thought it was kind of cool when they zoom in on him having to lie about everybody who he kind of hates being a team player like that's that's interesting and then that happens and I was like oh well well we had a few good seconds you know whatever whatever works for you show boomer memes someone brought up black noir waking up I don't think it's going to have any issue now because Maeve has been brought back into the seven cart blotch so even when noir wakes up and says hey she did it it's not going to change anything no unfortunately and like I just don't believe homelander would allow them to have this kind of leverage on him it controls his entire life and then he ends with saying I can do whatever I want it's like you literally can't that was the point of the leverage they had on you so yeah um yeah so I guess right a train is welcome back into the seven which doesn't make any sense the whole reason he was booted out was because he was no longer in the top 20 runners and he had a heart condition his heart condition is just gone is he one of the best runners again I don't know he's reinstated thanks to the collective when he was booted out by homelander I guess the leverage on homelander means he can no longer decide who's in the seven I don't know what wasn't the idea that they need like representation after all the nazis yeah but homelander decided he's not in the seven oh yeah I know I guess that means nothing there there was their explanation well I don't really need an explanation for anybody getting into the seven from the perspective of vort or the collective I don't care who they choose but homelander was one who booted him and he was for a very specific reason but that reason is forgotten by this point I guess even though nothing's changed it is kind of funny with the heart condition though isn't it do you think there was a scene they had for that or they didn't keep it in this isn't important that's just a show do you think there was a scene to explain this and they just didn't put it in yeah they kind of did during the um when he was handing over the the files to hui and starlight she asks you know you know how's your heart and he says it's fine do you want to try it sort of deal you want to try me or whatever whatever and like that's it and that's like okay he's he's 100% again like we're just supposed to take it at face value um someone in chat said uh I think that the the deeps arc was a waste of time you know what you're right I think you're on point with that yeah I agree in case anyone isn't aware uh the deep is told at this scene that he won't be coming back to the 7 and he's angry and then he says fuck fresco it's funny because they get fresco yeah I you know I've just paused on the shot where it's uh butcher and uh Ryan sitting next to the lake and I'm like this could be a whole season this frame and you have you you just decided not to do that what alright yeah the idea of a person who despises soups like raising a stupid hero was his son yeah handed a storyline on a platter and this is the thing you can make that storyline you can make the boys continuing without butcher under the tutelage of grace a plot line and Huey with the senate a plot line or congress whatever but nah nah oh yeah it's like what a fucking shame the more I think about it the more it depresses me well that was gonna say we were almost there now Huey and starlight are back together they've got their own team the boys mother's milk is back with his wife and daughter which feels weird and the frenchy are going on an adventure because I've brought it before I'll have to rewatch the shows like both of them but I'm pretty sure the last we heard about mm's family was that they were pretty fucking pissed at him I don't know yeah of course he made her a doll house so yeah and then and then they go on an adventure masterband of the city blowing up the guy's head which we've commented on would get her in why would she do I don't know why she did that why did she kill him I don't know I guess she doesn't like him I yeah it seems like they were I don't know they wanted a cool reveal I guess but like it seems dangerous to kill him once we know all of the details the end of season 3 I guess this seems like a bad choice not only because storm front is behind bars or hospital beds whatever but this guy was like on your team he was willing to give you information on her soups in exchange for tax cuts which I'm sure she's willing to push for when her greater goal is to do with superheros so I'm trying to figure out what could her motivation be to where that isn't something that she would not only not want but want to destroy the guy who offered that yeah and besides he's just gonna get replaced by a different leader for the collective isn't he yeah and then they're gonna go through with the imagine if they check who the last person he spoke to was well like obviously that's really suspicious but not I say not enough I mean it was enough to convince fucking a train right so I guess the it's pretty suspicious to get off a phone call and three seconds later your head just explodes for no reason that's a little sus but hey that's just me imagine they had a camera outside of the church of the collective office and they just saw her there game over that would be awkward and that's the boy season 2 fucking disaster so like we've gone over I'd say the most significant things are the damage done to homelander and butcher both gobbled messes I don't really understand much about either of them at this point nor do I like them it's annoying watching homelander be so incompetent and it's annoying watching butcher be so incompetent and like confusing in his goals it's mainly the incompetence I think for both of them that I get annoyed with of course the killing the baby and respecting a soup killing a human stuff like it's you have it all floating around it's just frustrating to have to deal with and you just feel like they've gone in a completely bonked direction most of the other characters don't have much going on starlight was destroyed with that one scene but if that scene hadn't existed I wouldn't have much to say about starlight anyway I'd just be like she's there mave is there the train has been not only healed but also completely redeemed like when he changed the files I don't feel like he has a character anymore yeah he always seems really he seems like plot yeah he's a prop I think is how it categorized that he's not he's being ping ponged by the plot he doesn't have his own interests by the looks of things nothing that matches what I understood about him in season 1 season 1 he trains a full on character season 2 he like starts out because we went through it he's like ah I'm looking to fuck over starlight because I hate it because of what she did ah I've got my information oh no she has leverage over me damn it ah she revealed the vault is doing the things ah this sucks ah I'm booed out of the 7 oh man I'll go with the collective ah sweet I'm back in the 7 after I managed to kind of betray the collective but it turned out to be beneficial for both of them like that plotline is so odd and it only makes sense once you realize that all the things he's doing are pushing other plotlines into different places primarily the Nazi information and letting starlight keep the compound V and not dobbing her in all of these things are not necessarily within his character but of course they help out everyone else's plotlines he's just Finn of the boys the deep as we've been over is I don't think I've ever seen such a bungled attempt at trying to make an entire arc in a drama that's all comedy that flatlined like you tried question mark isn't it so funny that the deep is stupid and sucks no that's hilarious it's hilarious how every time he tries to help an animal it dies horribly that's hilarious who else is the Frenchy ever like I said there's just not much going on yeah and I guess I like Frenchy I like Frenchy I like them sort of except for that whole murder bit where they killed that guy why do we keep saying that I like them except for yeah that's actually exaggeration I like the boys that's kind of the thing I like them but I don't know there's a lot wrong with them I honestly think what I like is not even the show's fault anymore it's more so just my idealized version of what I'm seeing I'm imagining a lot of what isn't actually there this is this really cool show where a bunch of normal people have had enough of superheroes taking advantage of the world and they want to try and take them down yeah that's a really cool thing it's not really what I'm getting though it's even worse I think when you know what happened in the comics and it's it's kind of like Game of Thrones a little bit like you know like there's good stuff just please use it just please use it and they never do this thing I think I feel like when it comes to us not liking the boys I feel like we're pretty consistent on the reasons why we do and do not think shows are good I would like to think that up to this point we've been really consistent even if you don't agree with our like individual assessments can you see the system that we're using can you see the criteria that we're trying to apply evenly I think they do it's just that some people believe the categorization goes from significant on Nick pick and I think as we saw at least the first two episodes a lot was getting categorized as Nick picks I just want characters characters to behave in logical ways like I don't want them to to just suddenly become stupid because the plot needs them to I don't want them to do things that are opposed to their own interest because plot needs them to like I don't want people teleporting like it's not too much to ask a few different people have asked about like the potential of season three what do we reckon it's like well it could be good there's always the chance and I'll check it out because I am curious how the events will go down but I don't have any faith in these writers right now I think there's going to be a competing team called payback in the comics there was another team called payback and I believe Stormfront was actually the leader of that one and they've talked about the dude from Supernatural he's coming back he's going to come on the show yeah who was in in payback and so that group wasn't really in competition so much or opposed to the seven or anything but they did a lot of like screwed up stuff and the boys went after them so it seems like the new group that Butcher is going to be in probably you'll get the other ones eventually they'll come back after a couple episodes or two like they're going to go after they're going to go after payback as the second group because I think what's going to happen is is that there's going to be like even though they shut down all of the compound V it wasn't supposed to go out to everybody inevitably people are going to get it and I think that's probably what they're going to use so I think the seven might actually be kind of like back burner material for at least the first half of the season you know what's sad is I think there are so many things they could do that they could have a good season three with imagine like compound V does get mass released in some way shape performing different like purchases or just black market releasing in general and the seven actually have to start fighting off many different people who are going nuts with the compound and killing people as like a group of heroes that protect whatever it is from people going nuts as much as it's all marketing and cynical and stuff they actually are needed people need their strength to be able to fight off you know just just running a season through with like the team and you have Homelander and Starlight and Maeve having to work together in order to beat these people just situations that can make everybody really rethink everything that's happening and that's you know that will be one plot line you can have all kinds going on but I just I wouldn't be surprised if season three is like I said worse than two I wouldn't be surprised I don't think we're going to be surprised in season three I think they're going to wait a season and then they're just going to age them up yeah I wouldn't be surprised and everyone else stays the same yeah so we kind of did characters there the plot is just in tatters of what they were trying to pull off with the plot was dominant enough of itself and then the way that they managed to have it happen just next level in terms of contriving everything the world's also taking a whole bunch of damage with how the governments work how everything everyone gets away with everything so if you wanted it's literally no different from not being wanted it doesn't make any difference and then I don't know I guess the satirical value of this season it's like I feel like you should just re-watch season one what about the themes Fringy do you like the themes I I mean what are the themes that we shouldn't put so much trust in those who are more powerful than us he's hiding behind every memes in memes you can have dude he was a radical meme he killed so many people tiny man meme jihad it's happening radical memes I just feel like because Eric Kripke had the quote that was along the lines of not allowing logic to get in the way of something cool I feel like that kind of philosophy for writing explains this season I don't think you're making any I don't think you can reliably make anything good if you're relying on that kind of rationale where hey exploding heads that's kind of cool hey it'd be pretty cool if they drove into a whale hey it'd be pretty cool if this happened and that just being the guiding force behind all of the decisions that are being made it really feels that way it feels like they had their list of scenes that they wanted and things that they wanted to do and how they got to each of those things was secondary to those ideas and never sacrificing any of those ideas a fundamental misunderstanding of me I was actually thinking I was actually thinking that exact exact same thing the other day when I was finishing one of my review videos and stuff it's just a couple of plot pieces set pieces big action scenes and they want to get there and they don't care how it gets there it's very JJ kind of modern warfare 2 isn't it war in America that's kind of cool oh that's impossible but it's cool though let's do it and that's the thing there's only so much cool before the story kind of breaks down yeah at what point can just anything happen it's that whole idea of the less the stakes become understandable and the events make sense the less you can really it's hard to be invested in something where anything can happen seemingly out of nowhere and where it just some of the chess referenced pretty cool if we had a zombie polar bear so episode episode 7 of season 7 I think of Game of Thrones or episode 6 they're tracking through past the wall they're on their way to fuck I don't even care the point is a zombie polar bear attacks them and they have to fight it and you find out from D&D and like these after the episode interviews they were like would it be really cool if we had a zombie polar bear that's that's why they have a zombie polar bear to be the right justification for so many of these things it is rot it is like the worst kind of rot you're just like I just want stuff to happen fuck you I like it the thing is it's like the coming up with the stuff is the easy part the hard part the writing part the craft part is figuring out how to make them connect to one another ideas are easy ideas are really easy figuring out how to make them work as hard I feel like that's just what makes for a good writer is can you earn each of these payoffs can you earn these beats can you connect them to one another in a way that just flows and makes sense or if it doesn't make sense it makes sense when you rewatch it again Bly Manor a much better show everything follows the things you don't see come and make sense once they play out that show is going to have massive rewatchability but Fringy is it worth it if the show is boring boring your arguments are boring I think that's another good point to bring up too it's like rewatchability like there are so many old shows and movies where you can just watch it again and again and like even though you know everything that's going to happen you can probably recite line for line it's like it's still an enjoyable experience to go back and watch it but stuff like this or like you know Game of Thrones like this is just what value are you going to get from rewatching any of this there's no desire to watch it at all I think Game of Thrones is kind of unique in this where it just completely killed the entire the entirety of the show like prior to season 8 I used to go back and watch season 1, 2 and 3 because those are the best and I would watch them you know just whenever and ever since season 8 like I've just been so disgusted like I don't I don't even want to watch it because I know how it ends and I'm like oh god like John do you know who you're up I think I definitely think this show is it's going to age poorly because of the heavy handed political commentary I'm calling it now season 3 will be bad and it will make most of the fans be like nah this is shit now season 2 was ok but season 3 was shit the west world it's not just west world stranger things happened with that as well season 2 was actually bad but everyone was like nah season 3 was the first bad one it's like no guys I think it's that when it's first bad it strips a bit of the veneer off and put up with it and then you reset and your emotions aren't as fully invested and so now you're going to see that shit straight away um and it's just different people take different amounts of time but like I just don't like the idea that we'll in future be looking back like oh the boys season 2 was fine it was ok it's like I don't know how season 3 happened it's like the sides were all there well I mean as has been highlighted season 1 is not as good as people think it is it's really floated by its concept and season 2 is now just proper bad they know that they're being carried there's some good shit in season 1 there's also a lot of Tism but season 2 there's hardly any good shit it's mostly Tism if you've noticed it was either Tism or just delays if you know what I mean like it was seeds where we were just like yeah come on come on come on like there's nothing to complain about there's also nothing to really praise yeah we skipped all the deep stuff yeah we skipped it yeah the deep that's a lot of screen time yeah like possibly an hour like one eighth of the show and it's just gibberish I feel I feel like uh I don't know what it is but I feel like um I mentioned it earlier shows like NCIS and bones are probably like a lot better than many of the shows that are heralded as good now because I think that a lot of these get credit for a really cool concept good production values and being serialized I think that that gives shows more credit than they deserve it's like well it looks really good it sounds really good the acting's good but the script is dire but it's hard to I don't know if it's because it's like hard to pinpoint or if it's just um that the veneer really covers up the rot but yeah it's it's the writing is atrocious and it's all comes down to the writing at the end of the day I don't think there is such a thing as a good story with bad writing I don't see how that's possible the writing is the story fundamentally and here it's yeah you do you call it holistic right like it's it's all all of the pieces make up the part it is they are inseparable yeah uh yes um but I guess it's a whole idea that writing comes first all the time in any story because a story always begins with an idea that you write down on a piece of paper that's that is the fundamental component of it and I feel like it's just yeah nail the writing if you nail the writing you can you'll all you know barring it's impossible to see what's going on and the audio is so loud that it blows out your eardrums like you know if the writing is good your story is probably going to be good um barring like massively terrible acting or cinematography or anything like that you know atmall the kripke confirms stormfront is live the show confirms that they say that she's yeah the show touches in captain v like I said robo robo stormfront um someone said it was it was uh jeff's fault that fat neil was radicalized after calling him fat neil so many times I think that explains it but they played dungeons and dragons and he was happy true they've ignored the arc they've betrayed fat neil his character has been assassinated um so uh yeah I figure um what time we are yeah normally at our house I've not got enough time to be able to it would be futile to be able to start and basically stop super chats relatively straight after so rags and I will have to add them we will take I didn't realize it would take 10 hours that's I know I say that every time it's I know but rags and I always catch up we will um apologies those who sent in their messages like we're hoping to see them address today they just they will be uh I think I'm not sure how our days are looking but we should be able to fit either um super chat catch up or um maybe resident evil 5 we can do part 2 of that while reading out the super chats from this stream I wouldn't be a bad idea I think that could be something that could work but before we do any kind of ending um I suppose uh thank you so much uh blame the controller for being with us for 10 hours being a really engaged and critical guest you added a whole bunch to the stream thank you so very much no problem thank you um I don't mean to shit on Fringy and uh and and and Metal or anything you guys are great too it's just you're always great so shut up me wow metal go watch Rasslin I don't know why I'm still awake to watch Rasslin you have to know who pins the other person yeah uh so well I mean the natural Sega would have been so blame what do you do on your channel why should people go and subscribe to it right now okay so I actually uh I have two channels my main one is my gaming channel uh you don't have to worry about that one uh the second one is uh called clip coin and there's a link in the description um I just do reviews it's like uh I do it more for fun than anything um because uh you know the gaming channel is where I earn my pay but um it's just the thing is is like back when Game of Thrones was in like season three or season four I wanted to be able to talk about like the shows that I liked and stuff that I didn't like and I just never got around to making it like I couldn't put any of those videos on my gaming channel so finally just recently I finally broke down and said all right I'm just gonna make make a review channel and so I've got a bunch of stuff on there the boys um Lovecraft country which is awful um cursed which is also awful um Lovecraft country was is J J Abrams made that right or you produced yeah him and Jordan peel uh Jordan peel how is it is it really bad is it oh it's awful it is so god every every if you're every single person in the universe that's white is like a card-carrying member like it's awful um also they don't seem to find out about the meeting we have apparently I think we let it loose yeah the other the other thing is just like they fundamentally don't understand what Lovecraft and cosmic horror is it's about the futility of humans like basically we are nothing compared to the universe right like we exist as just ants scrambling around in an uncaring universe and that's not what like Lovecraft country does like basically they wanted to make a show it's full of contrivance it's full of plot convenience and just some of the dumbest stuff ever um and they they make it like a hopeful show and it's like hold on hold on I don't think you quite understand what cosmic horror is um it like where the good guys keep winning and it's like no no that's not how it works and it's just it's it's ridiculous and it's full of um massively full of woke nonsense like just constantly packing it in every single episode when I saw that I was in the trailer chasing someone I was like uh no no see that's a that's like super bait and switch because at the very very beginning of the first episode they have a dream sequence where the main character is dreaming about like Cthulhu and aliens and all sorts of stuff and then he wakes up and you never see any of that again like um I guess uh how does one make a show about Lovecraftian mythos I feel like it would just be hey there's Cthulhu game over this dude there is so many ways to approach it I'm tired of everyone resorting to uh there's a bunch of creatures you gotta shoot them they all look like tentacle monsters, squid things that's basically what they do there's there's so much to Lovecraft stories that go beyond like it shouldn't be that like amnesia does a better job of being Lovecraftian than like a shit ton of Lovecraftian games and amnesia is like trying to do other things I think the uh because I just I went as I always like to do just skimming Wikipedia so Lovecraft Country isn't like based on so it's based on a book that's based on like Lovecraft but it's not I don't I'm getting from this description it's not meant to be about Lovecraft but it's about like racism in America during like Jim Crow era like that's what the topic is it's using the name Lovecraft to trick people into thinking that it's Lovecraft like that is there is Lovecraft mythos I guess so they do use parts of it like little aspects of the Lovecraft mythos but they are like they're few and far between like they do there's a type of monster I forget what it's called they do put that in one of the episodes and they do have some other stuff but like it's like okay they they called it Lovecraft Country like the book is called Lovecraft Country because if he had called it anything else no one would have bought it and the reason why it's called the show is called Lovecraft Country is because if you had called it something else nobody would have watched it like people you get butts in seats like people are showing up for day one because the word Lovecraft is in the title and people think that it's going to be a certain thing and it's just not like it's so massively bait and switch and it's just an unbelievably awful show like it's like awful I get the impression that you've got reviews of all the episodes on your channel I'm assuming yeah most of them I think the final episode is coming out tomorrow I'm like a couple behind but I'm trying to get those but I do so I've got that so the movie is actually taking off right now there's getting some traction on it I don't know why but I've heard bad things about that movie oh it's a terrible movie it's awful it's absolutely awful basically Sherlock is an idiot and Ola is better in every way so it's funny because both of those are like you've taken public domain and then just done something entirely different with them that partially shits on the original material well to be I mean it's a it's a trend they can't come up with something original they have to piggyback on the creations of those that came before and they just twist it with their little woke thing and they call it a day and it's oh god like in all homes it's just awful also as well like she spends most of the time talking to the audience like breaking the fourth wall and it's just exposition dump after exposition dump it is so awful it's bad movies about watching it and roofing on it I mean you can watch it and rip on it if you want well he's asking like do you think it sort of lends itself to that or is it something of a boring thing or oh no no you can rip it apart you absolutely can rip it apart and if you want to see it get ripped apart you can go over to my channel right now because this is a 38 minute video Henry Cavill actually does a pretty good job as Sherlock Holmes I mean he's too muscular for the part but otherwise he does a good job except when they're like shitting on him he's got a lot of stock right now just with everybody I'd say everybody likes him well I think besides being a good actor he also has a genuine love for the fans and respects for the fans he seems like a good guy builds computers like you know that's a good man right there he's like us name a bad person who ever used a computer didn't think so exactly he's got range man I feel like he's actually got range the number of roles he's played and how disparate they actually are it's pretty impressive did you hear him talking about which or two he sounded I have the game no the move, the show he sounds which or the season 2 he sounds so depressed I heard it from it was on an erotic live stream where they were asking him about stuff and basically he is saying that he is not the focal the main character in season 2 like he's being sidelined it doesn't matter he's sidelined and when you listen to him he's so professional about it because you can tell that he's both angry and heartbroken at the same time you can hear it in his voice and the words that he's using and he's like I'm going to do whatever they ask me to do because I love the show and I want to do my part and I want to help but I'm being put on the sidelined the witcher on the sidelined dude they put in the Mandalorian on the sidelined so why the fuck not but he's shit the idea that Mandalorian is not going to be in Mandalorian going Poland what's his face almost got fired for throwing a fit Pedro Pascal they could they can recast it right they can do it in good impersonation under the helmet effects I bet a lot of people qualify well we've seen his face well we'll just never take the helmet off again never take the helmet off they should have never taken it off in the first place Fringy what are you up to tell people about it so do I want to keep that a secret I'm working on something hopefully it'll be well I have how many weeks I've got two weeks to finish it hopefully I'll have something other than that just chipping away at some stuff but next thing you can hopefully expect in a couple weeks on my channel and the new video that I made yeah watch it character development is overrated also character development refers to both depth and change I'm sick of trying to explain that one over and over again character development can mean both if you had to explain it your video must be shit yeah I uh I uh dammit my brain isn't working properly after 10 hours talking about this great show yeah it does digs to you but yeah go check it out Metal what are you up to no I'm gonna put that I'm not the usual Struman on the twitch playing the gorms I'm planning to replay all the god of war soon you know you plan on playing Rebeth soon yeah but after after I'm talking after spooktober fine spooktober is pretty much all booked it's true yeah yeah your channel link is in the description on your twitch link why isn't it a link what have you done I don't know I mean it's all in the description there's my the youtube which is pretty much the archive channel there's all the twitch streams on there as well normally right the day after unless I forget then maybe a day later deal with it yeah he's very tired but he does lots of gaming streams and he talks to his audience so that's a neat bonus and the link works now go have fun, okay, subscrisal to all the people who have been here today as what's going on eFapy stuff in relation to Bly Manor I'm a little interested in getting the cut of all of us watching it together sorted in the discussions we were having about it I'm about making my way through the Hill House one it's going to be an experiment for the both shows we're going to pop these videos out they're not going to be like anything you've seen on eFap before really they're kind of weird and depending on how everyone finds them to be if they're like oof don't make these again these are a little oof or if you're like hey these are neat maybe do this with more stuff that's good guys oh I'm a little so I just saw something on twitter they're making another die hard they're making another die hard I think they're making another die hard there's a trailer where it's got Bruce Willis apparently 10, 18, 20 that's today wait what what please stop doing die hard movies I just want you to leave him alone I'm never leaving him alone there were three good ones and one decent one and one ship one it's over leaving so so those things will be coming and hopefully that will be the coverage of Bly Man rather than us doing some kind of this thing but with a good I don't know how this format we did today would work with a good show that would be weird I think we'd have to like really remember all of the connecting pieces to be able to point out pieces of continuity but like I said a video for Hill House and a video for Bly Man will be happening sorry about the die hard news there everyone is very upset and of course the video I want to chip away at now my last of us to what is odd pause is Odd the Boy Season 2 because there's so much wrong with this stupid show and doing this if that would have helped because it's discussed right through it as well as seeing defenses for things in chat are always useful so that's about that and Rex I believe you're coming along with the Mando video right? Yeah it's coming along pretty well I've been putting in some good progress into it and it's trucking along and we've got 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 depending on how everything goes out halloween e-fat movies I have a strong feeling that the first one will come out after the spooktober is over because that's just how it works and we're planning on playing the second half of Resident Evil 5 on halloween itself we're planning an e-fap and a game stream with that something chronicles anthology of chronicles the dark dark pictures yeah and funnily enough it is a 5 man game technically you can split it between any amounts and so we might try and get 5 people for it just to shake it up as a big old fun event where it'll be funny if one of the 5 dies really early and just has to sit there for the whole game like yeah though that's not a lot worse than pressing a button every once in a while and yeah I think that's about it like the catch up for episode 103 is still we're going to just need to find a slot for it as well as the catch up for this episode we haven't seen any of the boys should I skip the show if season 2 is garbage I mean yeah because season 1 ain't that good either like I don't know if I would say it is fun enough to see season 1 and then fuck it I guess you can watch season 2 be a not gonna be well you might not be happy some people liked it I don't know might work out for you anything that you liked about the first season the second season is just gonna piss you off anyway so but that's about watch Blimey Manor instead well everyone keeps saying it's boring it's nothing we can it's boring I'm sorry that your tiny mind can't engage with the incredible content so yeah at me I don't fucking care everyone's gonna at you in a second wait for it fine do it there was an article that I saw with Jay that said was it the jail free that you know the black and white episode ranks they said that one should be removed it's a waste of time wait who said that I also see it with Jay because he sounds surprised so yeah they were like the whole show yeah I know that's why I figured you'd find that funny wow I'm so happy we got that yeah there you go chat go and watch the tick rather than the boys you'll enjoy it more and there's two seasons so it's equivalent I guess and then watch Blimey Man and don't get bored by the way can I before you head out I had one of your old videos recommended and I just wanted to know why you don't do the hand-drawn face anymore um I've always been if I ever make another one in the dissection series I'll bring them back I'll have an artist make them all better I swear I just haven't made that series again so give it a time hey maybe if amnesia rebirth is really good or really bad I'll pause my boys video to make a video on that I'm sure everyone will be happy to hear it it's gonna be great um yeah there's a lot of tick shows the one I'm referring to specifically is the one with Peter Sarenoffowitz I believe that's how you pronounce his name really good um anything else anybody want to say before we give it the old hop out of root no I'm glad everyone a lot of people stuck through this one I'm glad that people were able to listen to us talk about this show for 10 hours it's nice to hear that people would actually do that just don't call them nitpicks because some of them nitpicks some of them I even label them but not all of them most of them were not most of them were kind of big um yeah thank you all so much for hanging out for watching and for the very kind donations we will get to them like I said um well hope you had some fun see you next time whenever that may be goodnight bye bye everybody good morning no