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I'm Matthew here with my co-host Thousandfold and today we're going to be talking about outdoor growing from beginning to end and go ahead, Thousand. Yep, specifically we're going to be talking about beginning to end of flowering, Matt. So we welcome back booze, cushion the Giants, Little Hill. Each of them have featured before on various respective episodes. So I'll try to remember to add links to each of those in the description. But yeah, so today we are talking about flowering outdoors and of course we have cushioned the Giants in Little Hill, California and we've got booze actually from Australia. So that will be an interesting contrast for one. But otherwise, to kick things off, I thought we could just go around and each of you give a brief outline of like what your outdoor growing situation is like, you know, your respective area and, you know, what you're growing, what you've grown this season, I should say, just to start things off. Maybe we can start with Little Hill. Okay, great. Let's see what I'm growing this season or where I'm growing. I'm in Southern Trinity, 3200 feet elevation. I'm in a mountain valley. That's kind of a rare thing up here. It's very mountainous territory and there's not a whole lot of valley, flat sort of level valley areas up here. So I'm kind of lucky in that aspect. 3200 feet coastal range like deep deep in the coastal range. I feel like my season shorter than most because of that. Like we get freezes into June sometimes. We'll definitely start freezing at some point in October usually hasn't happened yet, but we've gotten close. And then we've actually got some good weather right now coming up on the forecast. But we've gotten a lot of rain this year so far, more than usual, which has, we'll talk about it, but it's definitely had made me speed things up a little bit. As far as what I'm growing, I think we covered a lot of what I used to grow outdoors. In the last episode that I was on, Betsy and heart attack and pineapple and stuff like that purple wreck. And then I kind of stopped growing outdoor for a few years as legalization kind of moved in and I transitioned to that. Everything I had was in greenhouses. Everything, I was depping everything basically and then replanting for a second run usually under like full term sun. But now this past season, I've got to expand and the cheapest way to expand is just building some outdoor beds. So that's what I did. They're only six inches deep. And then the native soil underneath them is all tilled and amended. So maybe I've got 10 inches of like loose soil between like the native soil on the bottom and potting soil on top. And then of course, the potting soil is all amended with dry amendments. And I tried a bunch of different strains kind of like everything every strain I had on the farm. I kind of gave it a bed just to see what's what because this is all new genetics for me in the outdoor environment in the, in the greenhouses, like it's kind of controlled. So some things don't matter, like finishing time and stuff like that. But on outdoor full term, it absolutely matters. And what's going to mold? What can withstand the rain? What can withstand the cold? What yields still like this? What like, what's the final product look like? And is it marketable, you know, as an outdoor plant? I also planted very small plants, like so each five by 96 bed has is a row of three with like 50 to 55 rows of three. So there's like, whatever that is, 170 plants in each bed or something like that, give or take, like the numbers vary, but it's about that. So they're only like, at most say six foot tall plants, single colas for the most part, very tightly grown in very tightly. So they're smaller plants, they're not giants, because plant numbers mean nothing at this point with legalization. So strains I'm running, I'll just I can kind of see my garden from the window here. I got some compound genetics, none of which I'm not stoked on jokers, grapple pie and carbon fiber. I've got my cut of T 1000 triangle from CSI that I selected several years ago. That's just done killer so far. I've got a lot of that in there. Ice cream cake, papaya bomb, an OG Kush S one from CSI, two different selected phenos of 707 Kush and 707 OG from 707 seed bank. I feel like I'm forgetting something. But I can't think of it right now. But so just a huge variety. I don't usually grow that many different things next year, it'll be like three or four strains in that whole area instead of instead of the mishmash. No, that's amazing. And, you know, one of the reasons why I wanted to get three of you specifically, the three of you because each of you are actually growing on a very different scale. So I think that's gonna be really interesting to get to later on. And the other reason that I really wanted the three of you on, because each of you has a great Instagram, in all honesty, and each of you are actually, in my opinion, like really, really good archivist. And the way you document your growth and all that is like, amazing. I love, I think both Little Hill and booze, you guys both do really nice like running commentaries on what you're doing, like on on like audio. And then Kush does these really cool write ups. So anyway, that's just kind of extending the intro of it. But yeah, thank you so much for that little hell. Maybe we go to Kush next, you know, tell us about your general outdoor growing situation and what you've been growing. Yeah, so for me, it's real similar to Little Hill, just like opposite county of him across the valley, about 3,400 elevation. And again, similar with I have a little valley on the side of the mountain, where generally, we don't get a lot of flat ground to grow in. So the benefits of that and being right next to a little creek up in the mountain to helps a lot with what I'm growing. And my growing situation now is, you know, it started with wanting to get weed without having to pay for it. So when I first started growing, that was my initial goal. And then I eventually got some customers and grew enough and people wanted some. So it turned into growing weight. And then around 2018 or 2019, people just stopped buying weight so much. And so I just started turning to what I liked and not only what I liked, but started popping stuff that I've never had the chance to grow before. And I just wanted to see what what performed well out in my area. And it's it's it's been an explorative journey since about 2018, mostly popping stuff through CSI and his unreal vault. You know, you order a little bit of seeds from him and you end up with more than you can pop. And that's that's kind of what I've been doing now is just just going through old populations of stuff that people talked about in the past stuff that I used to get, but never got a chance to grow myself. And it's it's been really fun exploring and testing the the limits of these strains, especially in the mold and the mildew and the late season strength of these plants. And as far as what I'm growing this year, it's the biggest variety of plants that I've ever grown this year. And it's for more seed, more guys from the syndicate and a wider variety of breeders that I've messed with this year. I got packs, ATW hybrids that are just absolutely gorgeous, pure tealene with all those very flavors coming in behind them, which is really cool for the tealene. I like that a lot. I got that blue resin kush from Matt going, she's a little late, but man, she smells amazing right now. And growing some, what else are we growing? Oh, yeah, the sweet 16 hybrids. So like, I don't know, shoot, it was laid into the season and CSI hit me up. He's like, Hey, man, I got some of these seeds, we grow these out for me. I was like, Well, it's pretty late, man, but they look good. I tried the sweet 16 before. So let's give it a try. And man, I'm just blown away. I got six different sweet 16 hybrids. And each of them are completely just just wonderful frosty, all the unique smells, terp profiles that I've never encountered before, just just strange stuff. Like, just like the blackberry wine had had its own uniqueness that you've never never smelt before in the sweet 16. Doing some api stuff from high and lonesome, all the mango, we goodness that comes from those have been really impressed with how those perform outdoors. The structures there, the, the residents there, the outdoor hardiness is there, I'm seeing a lot of the green crack influence from the Appalachia that that just holds up those plants. What else are we running this year? Yeah, some of the snitch free sourdee from our buddy, Loosh, and his buddy that plant, just volatile fricking chemical lime smell that that's just beautiful. I can't wait for her to finish up and see what else we got on deck. I got some of that cream, some of the 2016 bag seed cream that she's, you know, she's getting hit pretty hard by the mold, but it makes sense when her buds are fricking the size of softballs, you know, they look like old Salmon Creek big bud stuff. It's insane how big she's getting. Yeah, other than that, not much else that's growing in the garden this year. I got that isn't she lovely from our buddy on an Akie genetics up in Washington. That's a pretty impressive strain. I wasn't expected much out of it at first, but she really blew me away. The the mixture of grape and pine, which I've always had the two separated. I've never had grape and pine in share a compound before, which is really, really taken me by surprise. I like that plant a lot. That sounds really interesting. Yeah, grape and pine in together. Yeah, yeah, it's unique. The first time I got my nose and I was like, what the that's those two, two haven't smelt before together. I really like that. Yeah, it's unique. Very cool. That's cool. So that you both you and little hell seem to be dealing with more variety this season, maybe than the normal. So maybe we'll touch on that again later on. Right? Yeah, we can go to booze. So booze obviously in Australia. Different timings. But yeah, booze, tell us a bit about your your general situation growing outdoors there. And what you this year, I'm doing a little bit of a scaled back approach. So I'm I'm planning on moving down south and like five months or so. So I didn't want to go away with doing anything too crazy. Plan to move is to be able to do a lot larger outdoor pops, because somewhere where land's a bit cheaper, be able to set up some polytunnels and get away with that. But yeah, man, I've pretty much always grown outdoors. I started cultivating indoors last year with about eight years of outdoor experience prior to that. So it's my love, man. I'm pretty tall, dudes. I don't like being cramped inside a little small tent space. You know, I don't have a room or anything. I've just got a couple tents. So when I'm outdoors, I'm in my element. I love it. Everything bird song or that shit. I reckon are all three of you big? I feel like all three of you are like pretty big guys. That's pretty funny. I'm pretty tall. Yeah. Sorry, maybe I'll be like outdoor. But yeah, man, I'm this year, I've just got a greenhouse. So I'm in a rental. I've got like a three. Oh, fuck. What's that in feet? Maybe like a 10 foot by 10 foot greenhouse out the back. And so I'm doing what have I got with the moment? I got some stuff from crybaby. I've got Cedar Throne, which is rings. Another friend of ours grew some of that out. Look pretty good. That's like Afghan skunk from Mr. Nice crossed like cheese, sour lemon tie, and then cheese along to that. So I'm getting some some really cool plants out of that just running clones. I've got a Jaeger S1 from CSI. So I ran a pack out of those last year. And this is the what I kept out of that man. It's not the most potent knock on your ass thing, but it's flavors phenomenal. For me, it's really medicinal plants and helping a lot with nausea and stuff like that indigestion, etc. And just the flavor on a man that like licorice, mango, a little bit of like rotten garlic sort of smell is really complex, super terpy. What else have I got? I've popped some friend of mine from the forums back in the day. So I didn't know I'm now obviously I'm young dude, but from the Mr. Nice forums, buckle bones, he was a guy on there and I looked up with him. He got me in touch with a few Aussie breeders who I've got on the seed bank and I got some seeds of bazooka Joe which is like a face off bubblegum thing cross to mox, which is the Malam O'Hark and NL five haze. So I've got like five of them. They're fem seeds. So I've got five of them gone. I've got some stoned eight from Hein Lonson, which is the GG for cross to happy. What else have I got? I got some Oh, and I've just done a whole pack of a five blue dream cross to a five BC one. And that's from Doc D. So I've got 12 of those. So as I said, scale back approach, usually I like to utilize my long season. So where I am, I'm in Queensland. So pretty similar climate. So I guess parts of Hawaii are come fairly coastal. A lot of humidity, pretty much just year round. We'll have about an hour and a half of divancy in in daylight hours come summer. So say like 14 and a half in summer, 11 and a half in winter. So there's a little bit of a variance, but for the most part, man, you can crop like all year round. Like I've got clones out there right now. And it's starting to, you know, obviously the daylight's changing. Daylight hours getting longer now. And nothing's really re-veging. It'll probably be able to run its course. But yeah, like what Little Hill was saying with the light there, that's what I want to get into in the future. Like I'm too sketched at the moment, like fucking getting out there at night and pulling a tarp. Like even when I was doing like supplemental light in the greenhouse, it's just sketchy, man, fucking neighbors and shit. I got like no fences. But yeah, one day, like once I get my my property when I'm aiming at down south, that's what I want to get into doing full season and light there. Because it's not really nice flowering shit out in summer. Like unless I'm going to be doing like some Colombians or like some of this like Wally, Wally Duck gear or white buffalo flowering out like some indicates in summer. It's just fucking mold, man, mold city a lot of the time. So I like to get a run done in winter. Yes, man. So yeah, mostly what I'm doing this year outside and my little situation. Nice, man. Thank you. Um, yeah, definitely we're definitely going to be talking about mold today. I'll say that. But yeah, thank you everyone for this little intro, little icebreaker. I thought now we could kind of pivot towards the topic. And for me, this episode like I'll be pretty light touch. I kind of want to get you guys started. But you know, I think feel free to start asking each other questions as well. But I'll prod you along. So again, today we're talking about transitioning to flowering and really all of flowering. So maybe if we think about it from like a chronological point of view, say, you know, you're at the end of veg, you're aware that like things are about seasons about to turn. Where does your mind go first in terms of like what you're concerned about or what you might need to prepare, you know, at this like late maybe at the point of like late veg early stretch and go back to a little help to set us off. So that's like into July, moving into August, your your plants have been out for a month or two. By that point, you know, if you're if you're planning like early June, give or take. So I mean, just the way I grow, I don't really think too much about nutrition because it's all in the soil that I mixed in in the spring. At least, I shouldn't have to think about nutrition. If something's out of whack or something, in which case, yeah, but before that stretch happens, if you're using trellis netting for support, you got you got to get it on early so that the plants can kind of grow through it. You know, as they begin to really, I mean, they just explode in August between, you know, August 1st and August 31st, like the amount of growth you get is is is it's the most growth you're going to see in the whole season. So you got to have your support ready so the plant can grow through it. You can't do it after the fact. I mean, or you're going to break stems and it's just a hassle, it takes forever. And that goes for any type of support, whether it's like a fence, a fence or something, a cage or trellis netting or whatever it's going to be, bamboo stakes. I'd say that's the that's the one thing you need to you need to get on if you haven't done it already. Other than that, like if you want boost them with nutrients and capture as much growth as you can, you can maybe supplement with a little extra nitrogen to really capture all that stretch and get all that size you want to get on them. They'll eat it up if you give it to them. And then at some point, like back off and and give them maybe a boost of phosphorus towards the end of August. I'm a big proponent of giving if your liquid feeding is is high phosphorus early early on in flower, if not before right before flower, and then and then backing off and transitioning to something higher in potassium, middle, middle of flower. Just from everything I've learned and been told and seen that's that's how you that's how you crank them. But many years, I won't feed anything and I'll just adjust my soil mixes the next year. If I feel it needs a different mixture, everything's in the soil and I just try to make it available with teas and whatnot. But I mean, yeah, that's that's August. The days are super hot. You know, making sure they're getting watered, they're going to be at peak water needs at that point. I'm sure one thing I did want to ask you. And this is kind of like, even from your episode with Matt, that I was like really curious about, what is like a typical day for you? Like, you know, what time do you get up and like, you know, what is the shape of the day? And is but yeah, I mean, in August, like we're talking outdoor, but like I've got debt greenhouses being harvested. So usually maybe harvest, we're like in the middle of a debt harvest early, early August, or at the tail end of it, maybe. So like, if we're still pulling tarps, it's day starts at seven with pulling tarps, seven a.m. And that's a great time to start working because it's nice and cool outside. And so unless we're doing like harvesting, which might happen all day, we work from like seven to lunchtime. And you know, we'll get in a good chunk of work in the so those morning hours. And then quit, quit at lunch, take a long lunch, just take a break in the middle of the day, because unless there's stuff that absolutely needs to happen, or it can happen indoors, like it's just it's just so hot that like you're just going to be spinning your wheels. And it's hard to do that every day to work through through midday. What do you do on that lunch break? Do you have an app or like if I need an app, I'll take a nap. Do something inside like with legalization, I have shit to do on the computer. You know, sometimes people run to the river and go and just go to the river for three, four hours in the middle of the day, which is great. It's really refreshing to I mean, just regular household chores, like doing laundry and shit like that cleaning up like it's a it's a good time in the middle of the day to like take care of your own personal stuff. Besides like eating or something and and you know, you want to be inside or in the shade and and like, you know, if we have to work through the heat, we will. But if you don't have to and you can come back at like three or four o'clock and work for another three hours or whatever. I mean, I think I just think it's way more efficient to, you know, for it's a marathon. It's not it's not a sprint. So you got to like not weigh yourself out and yeah, keep it sustainable. Right. So, you know, sometimes there's indoor maybe you got bucking to do inside and that's that's all air conditioned. So so it's not as bad. But or whatever the case maybe, you know, but yeah, I would say that's sort of a typical day now on a, you know, if it's a harvest day, you know, we'll just we'll probably work and maybe just take an hour lunch and just work through it just to get it done. It just depends on kind of what's going on if there is any need to rush or anything like that or or whatever the case may be. But you know, a lot of days I've got to leave the farm and go to town and do logistics and get supplies and I'm so far out that that takes all day to do that. And other times like maybe I'm running product to town to distribution or or picking up or or whatever the case may be. So, you know, it could it it varies a lot. And other days is just like do a morning walk through, which is my favorite thing to do and figure out like your priorities for the day. Like is there a big transplanting that needs to be done? Is there anything that needs is immediate need like the something in the water system need to get fixed, you know, or plants aren't going to get watered. That would be like a higher priority thing that needs to get fixed right away. But yeah, I mean, it's farming. So like I could be a plumber one day and electrician the next day. And, you know, one day I might actually get to like tend to my plants, you know, it's always kind of like what needs to happen first, you know, and then like, if there's nothing else like crazy going on or nothing broke, then you can actually like tend to your plants and and do that that sort of stuff. Now, that's really cool. I'm glad to hear about this because I think sometimes we get into these like, you know, more technical discussions and it's easy to lose sight of the more human side of it, you know, what it's like to work on this stuff throughout the day. And like what it's like to deal with human stuff and life stuff alongside at all. So sorry, not I'm going off my own script really. But I did that was that was cool to hear about. Kosh, how about you, man? Like, where do your thoughts go when I say transition to flower? You know, just initially, and then maybe you could tell us a bit about what a typical day looks like for you to Yeah, yeah. So my thoughts are when I so August 1st, generally, everybody's thinking about, you know, stretch is either in full swing or your plants are starting to push, push stretch, you can see them see them doing that. And for me, it's the first thing I'm looking at is do I put up a second cage? I always internal cage my plants because if I don't with like two or four inch cage fencing with big, big squares in it. And if I don't, my plants get eaten alive by dear, that they will get chomped all the way down to the stock. And so so when I'm looking at that stretch phase about to happen, I'm looking at the plants that are going to grow out and wider than those 65 gallon pots, if they're going to need that external arm structure, because their natural incline is going to be to go out and up and having that secondary cage out for the plants that don't have their own vigor to hold up their weight at the end of the season. That cage makes things so much easier. And and there are some telltale signs and structure and in branch vigor that you can tell if a plant is going to need that that secondary set of support. And once once stretches in and it's either going into one or two of the cages, my main goal is training. And personally, what I like to do is the branches natural incline will be to pick a square of the cage to go through. And what I'll do is I'll work it either one or two rungs lower than the hole that that branch wants to stick out of. And that that keeps everything down and separated and allows for more breath ability. And with that, I do get a little bit of rub the ideal with 20 to 30 mile an hour winds on a on a weekly basis, at least once a week, I get an updraft up the mountain. And so so with the cages, there's some downsides, you get a little bit of rubbish. And anytime you have necrotic or dead material, it could promote mold under the right right conditions. So the cages, it's a it's a must have for me. I've never tried the trestling. I've just I've been complacent with what's worked for me in the past. And yeah, right after stretch, I'm not thinking about food. I'm practically just add water. My soil has all my pre amendments. And if I if I see the ladies asking for a little more nitrogen, I just I brew a tea and I reactivate what's in the soil and make it more readily available for them. So so transitionally for me, I'm not thinking about anything different with food, I'm still just I'm still just adding water and play and play and water truck for the plants. I think right around that time, I'm also and you guys have seen this if you check out my G is I'm balancing my my cropping method between rocks and hay, and trying to get a decent medium to where the plants are drinking the salt the water out of the pots at at a rate where they're not being evaporated out of it. And usually end into July through August and the start of September is when my plants are drinking the most. I got a if I don't get out there and water them before like, I don't know, like nine or 10 a.m. they're going to I'm going to notice the little bit of droop. I'm going to notice them saying, hey, man, I'm fucking thirsty, you know, where's where's my water at? So and that changes drastically to as we as we move on further into flower to where I mean, of plants that won't drink for three to five days, or if we have a heavy rainstorm, it feels like even longer than that sometimes. Yeah, so I'm paying it right after stretch is happening. I'm paying attention to the water retention, how much the plants are drinking, because I hand water everything each each each pot is is hand watered with a hose. And I adjust a little bit here and there to what to what everybody's asking for. Nice. Yeah. In terms of like a typical day for you, what does that look like? Yeah. Early morning, it's to it's a it's a two day visit. I don't grow at where I live. I have to drive to the property where I grow. I have a separate piece of property for it. It was tedious at first. But the more I the more I weigh the benefits of it, I actually I actually prefer doing it this way. And my indoor stuff I do at my house. But it it's it's one visit in the morning. And sometimes like when I know that there's work that needs to be done, I'll do a visit in the evening, usually two to two, three, four hour visits in the garden. Spent time just, you know, it just just like little hill said, it's, it's very subjective when I walk and when I when I take that quarter mile walk and quarter miles, like eighth of a mile walk down through the valley and into my little jungle. The first thing I do is I look at the plants and say, All right, who needs help? Who needs what? You know, it's it's a general assessment. It's an open ended question. Every time I walk into my little, my little patch down in the valley. I like that image a lot. Yeah, walking through there into the. Yeah, yeah, I could take the quad down sometimes, but like I like walking it. It's it's kind of like intuition from hunting my whole life, like looking at track and seeing what's been walking through what deer, what bear been coming through, like getting boots on the ground is. Yeah, I like so it's like, yeah, it's like a ritual. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Very, very ritualistic, very, very meditative each morning walking down, not just spending time with the plants, but the journey that it takes to get to them. It's a little bit of a remote hike. No, that's really cool. Thank you for sharing. And many booths. Yeah, I get jealous. It's like looking to push his feet, man, like this path. And it looks like there's a river and shit, serene. I got like three steps out my back door to the city, little plastic greenouts. I'm going to get into my current situation, not not what's ideal for me, because obviously, like my biggest concern right now is just running numbers and looking for for decent clients. So I'm cropping is just whatever, like I've got a daytime job, like ideally one day I'd like to be able to get into cultivating whatever, but you know, legalities, the way they are, etc. So yeah, like I grow everything in fucking 10 or 15 gallons or maybe even fives if I'm trying to like cram a few extra plants in there. So I'll start everything off in small pots, almost let them get root bound a little bit with the more sativa stuff and then just transplant them into like a two gallon to start off with until I can see sex, because, you know, I can't really be putting in real estate like three or four into a 15 gallon and yet two dudes or three dudes. So I'm sex and everything first, similar to indoor. And then I'll transplant my big containers. So I've got 15 gallon, 20 gallons. I don't really have a set method, like deviate between using like bagged soil that I'll add amendments and stuff to what is making my own shit, begin to making compost and stuff like that as well. So really when the flowering starts, I'm just going to make sure that she ain't going to stretch out of the greenhouse. So so when I was I'm growing outdoors, so not in the greenhouse, just in the open air, it wasn't as much of a concern. I pretty much just transplant shit to the beds that, you know, a couple of nodes and then just let us stretch out and sort of have fun with it from there. But yeah, the moment I I grow multiple plants in single containers, it's not ideal. It's sometimes can can lead to some pretty shitty results. Something will be under watered and over watered, but for the most part, you know, from the same same packet of seeds, it ends up like not too bad. But yeah, man, so that's the ideal. That's the current situation. And yeah, a day for me. Just getting up my indoor shit, because it's so hot, I pretty much run indoors just at night time. So I'll get up at, you know, five sometimes when the lights are still on, get in there, feed whatever needs to be fed and then get outdoors and I love being out there in the early morning or at night. So I've got, like in my rental, I've got fuck all fences and I back on to like a nature reserve. So I was like hiking trails and shit. So it's just sketchy. So often I've been out there at like nine or 10 at night doing foliar and stuff like that. And well, it's when, you know, people can't see me or just like bringing plants in and out of the greenhouse for pruning or this that and the other whatever. Yeah, so yeah, I don't have as big of a sitch as the boys obviously. So it's not a big part of my day growing in soil as well. Sometimes I can go like a day or two without even going in there, you know, because I know nothing needs to be watered and and that. But yeah, man, that's it's mostly it for me. That's cool, man. Yeah. So each of you actually touched on like, you know, different aspects of growing. And do you have any questions for each other? Like regarding what you just heard? Like, if not, you know, one thing I'd maybe extend to you all is like, in general, with flowering, you know, what do you what do you like the most about this entire stage relative to, you know, vegetation? Oh, I get one for that. What once the plants have resin, they have smells, you know, so you can start smelling just say what that's when you start becoming like increasingly obsessed with them, at least for me. Yeah, especially when you when you're growing from seed or you're growing a new strain or something that you don't know quite what it's going to smell like. And smell does change over time as it develops. But like, for the most part, like, you can start getting a picture of what that plant is. Once it gets a little bit of resin, and the first resin is usually on those pre flowers. So I'll rub pre flowers, you know, waiting for to get some type of smell that isn't just chlorophyll or something. And that's, I mean, that's, that's I like I like that the most about them starting to develop flowers. It's is you get to smell them. But it's what it's a huge part of it. Yeah, same for me. I mean, I follow my nose, man. My nose has gotten me gotten gotten more things right than it's gotten wrong. And like, the first bit of identity that really stands out amongst these plants post the edge is that that first bit of resin. Yeah, there's structure. But I mean, when you first get that introduction of the compound and you start either relating it to other plants, or you relate it to the parents of the hybrid or, or, you know, you just get a you get an identity for it. And that that to me is like, that's one of my favorite parts of that. Yeah, I think that's the magic of growing these plants is that it's at that point where they stop becoming sorry, where they're no longer as much of a black box. And you're actually starting to see like, what they've got to offer you. These are the parts that come together. Yeah, it's beautiful because we're the rose, like I've got, I've got a bunch of roses as well. So, you know, when a new rose pops up, always stick my nose in and it's beautiful. You know, nice thing to start the day, but it's always the same. And that's why with flowering plants, man, it's just a mystery. Every day, it reveals itself a little bit more. And even like the structure of the flower, if it'll grow a packet of seeds, and you'll start to see that diversity. So, okay, this thing stopping the stretch and starting to throw out some reasonable size fucking puffballs. And then oh, shit, this thing ain't even ticked over yet. It's still stretching. It's barely even throwing pistols. Like it's like, I love it. And just every day, they seem to change at that stage too. Like sun's pretty intense here at that time of year. So watching everything transition and yell the aromas man and watching like trying to gauge what a flower's going to smell like off the stem and stuff as well. It's all fun, especially when it's like, you know, something you've been passionate about awaiting all year to pop, just for that scenario, like the outdoor, because I save a lot of things just for outdoor in particular, because it's my preference really. Yeah, I think I said before, like I don't think I've encountered another plant or any organic species that carries as many smell profiles, like in one single species, it has an almost uncountable amount of compounds that and not only that, but a lot of those compounds are subjective to each individual person. Like so when and that was something that at the party, man, we're passing around jars and people are picking up different notes out of the same jar and we're finding similarities, but we're also defining them by completely different experiences. It's, I don't know, I've never ran into something so complex for the olfactory system. And it just adds to the reason why I think some of us love it so much. I'll bring people down into the garden and I'll be like, man, I smell, I smell menthol and blueberries and all this complexity. And some people just go, man, I just smell weed. And I'm like, well, well, then I just our noses are different, bro. I can, I can hand Bryn like straight up blueberry bud and have her smell it and she'll say, Oh, peppery, you know, people just smell things totally different. Yeah. I was that that actually leads me to want to ask you guys another question, which is like, and again, this is more on the human side of things, but how many people do you get to share this with? Like how many people in your lives get to witness, you know, what you're doing? Too many. I should be fucking more tight-lipped about it, to be honest. Man, like for all my friends, it's a trip. So I mean, I keep a pretty low profile. I don't have like too many people in my circle or whatever, but for the most part, my friends haven't had exposure to this shit. So like my one body that came to Amsterdam with me, that was his first time seeing anything except like, you know, compact bullshit, the PGR, the the bricks of stuff. Yeah. So that was his first exposure to that. And so every time I bring something new, he's just stoked. And for most people, you know, you're showing them shit that they've never even seen or smelled. So I love variety. So, you know, I'm not really cropping the same clone. So every time it's something new and, you know, friends will get a couple bags of different seed plants and stuff. And it's just a trip. And I love it. It's fun. And I love it when you can get that correlation. Like if you smell something, like with my Mrs, I'll do it. I'll always give her a bag and be like, what do you smell? And if she you know, says the same thing as me, it's always like, fuck yeah, you know, you confirm and it's cool. I keep hearing a boost about PGR and I feel like it's it's so it sounds like it's like it's a pretty good issue down in Australia right now. Yeah, man. It's less now less of a concern. Like I'm not really for the medical market. But one thing that actually the good that's come of it is people are getting all this stuff from the chemists now. So less people are having to go to the streets to get weed. But man, for the longest time, like I don't know if it was a clone that was passed around like all of Australia. Like the theory was most of it was grown by like Vietnamese gains. But I mean, I saw a lot of it come from like biker sort of circles as well. So I'm not sure where it was being cultivated. But yeah, man, it was a trip like 10 15 years, you'd find the same weed like the same smell, same look, same like shitty effect, everything. And yeah, it was just grown with these blood blusters. Yeah, it seems like every developing cannabis market goes through that phase for a while where you get maybe like the less scrupulous growers who are really just in it for the money kind of blowing it out. And they of course, they they PGR the shit out of everything so they can yield more. And you know, it's the quality is so bad. And then the market sort of like, we had Canada doing that. And that all came down this way. And a lot of people were doing it here and probably the early 2000s into the mid 10 teens. And then kind of like the market got well, for one, you have like you did have like the regulated market testing for it. So that helped. And you started having medical dispensaries testing for it. So that kind of helped. But like also, the market just realized that look with less resin, but a huge bud super dense. It wasn't that great a weed like it looked better than the Mexican brick they were getting before. But it's people just realized it wasn't that great. And it started to not have the value for the people doing it. And it seems like every market's kind of gone through that PGR phase. And I don't know, just it's just interesting to hear it down in Australia as well. Man, I think that's interesting perspective. Yeah, essentially that it's like, almost like a stepping stone for every developing market. Sorry, please go for it. No, sorry, brother. I'm just saying that people are like apathetic towards it. Like I know people that actually like enjoy it, like people that will still buy it in week out, just because of the price, because of the availability, or it's what they're used to because most people like it's the only weed they've ever smoked. So that's the whole depressing. Oh, dude. Yeah. And yeah. Well, yeah, I mean, then you can show some of yours and probably blow their mind. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, sometimes man. Sometimes it's yeah, I don't know. I think people just get get used to that sort of effect. It's weird. I don't know that effect. What's that migraine? Microbutinol, fucking whatever's going on there. I was heading Terps. Yeah. That's funny. When was sorry? That was a side note. Not really. We showed it to we showed a picture to Matt on the cannabis around the world episode. And it's pretty funny. Dude, it's trying to describe what it looks like Little Hill. It looks like you know how when nugs like when it's grown super bad, like it's all nothing but hair. Yeah, it looks like that, but even worse. Dude, it looks like a Jim Henson puppet, dude. It doesn't look like weed. It does not look like. Oh, wow. Okay, that's that's not the beasters we used to get. That was super PGR'd. No, no, no. I want to maybe in the private chat, I can find a I'll find a picture of you. Little Hill later on, like as we go on. There was certainly stages of it. Those stages because like I was getting some of some stage that was like Little Hill talks about just big old chunks like half ounce fucking buds, big compact things. They were less hairy, but still they were like gray, like fuck all resin glands. But then yeah, that was like sometimes people would come around with the stuff that was full on like, yeah, little dingleberries, man, a little stamped on, you know, hairy fucking red and gray balls. Like that's crazy. I'm putting a link in the chat. I don't know if you can. Oh, no, that's not a link. That's that's not a link. Don't worry about that. Okay. Well, I'll try to get that to you at some point in this chat. But Chris, did you anything to add on the PGR note? Oh, no, I don't have anything to add on to that. Okay, okay. Well, because the other thing I want to ask you guys again broadly, before we start, like I'm going to start prompting y'all to kind of start drilling into like mold and stuff. But before we get there, and it's probably a natural segue to mold. But what are the things that y'all dislike about this stage? Or like, what do you what concerns you or worries you or, you know, what are the downsides for you when you're getting into flowering? Downsides. Geez, I don't know that there are any. Maybe downsides is a bad term, but like, what things do you start to worry about? Maybe. Smell for me. So it's like, I won't encourage it, but I know it's going to stank. Like, oh, I don't I got a neighbor like two meters away. Yeah, I don't I don't have those concerns anymore. I'm sort of like wrapped up in depth harvest. And that and that kind of takes priority and attention from things going on in the other garden as far as like workload and stuff. But I mean, back in the day, just the same shit, like I still wasn't worried about smell. But I mean, helicopters and and what's going on up here, they usually do bus in like late July, August. So sort of just like where they are that day, where the whatever the the task force or whoever it is rolling around the convoy on the roads. Other than that, like. I don't know. It's just. Yeah, I mean, it's just everything's fixing to get started and I know I know later on in flower, like when you get into like mid to late September and everything's too early to chop, it's just like you're just like hanging around. There's almost nothing to do on the plants, for the most part, it's just hitting your watering. But like. There's enough on the vine to like for thieves to come. Yeah. And they'll still they'll still take it. So it's like you can't chop for like another three weeks. But, you know, there's nothing else you can do. And it's like in September, you've got all this like I almost feel like there. I always needed a September project to do something to take up my time or at least to take up the cruise time because like there was really nothing to do. That's already down and out the door. You can't start harvesting yet, but you know, you have this huge workload ahead, but you can't you can't get started early on it. So you just kind of nervously fidgeting before the deal with the paranoia and just and just maybe do do a September project. Like we've done things over the years, like build a treehouse or or maybe work on a new space that we're expanding the next year or working on a fence or something. But like. Yeah. That's that's that's how I kind of take up that extra time. Yeah. That's so interesting. So yeah, for you, I guess one of the problems is also just thinking what you would do with that free time when you have it. Yeah. Are you guys lollipopping and shit? Are you stripping a lot of the lows off? Not a lot. Definitely lower branches, for sure. But I don't I don't lollipop a whole lot. One, it that the time it takes is enormous at this scale. And yeah, I don't feel like I'm not totally convinced in it, very strange to strain for sure. But I'm not totally convinced how much it helps outdoors because. I don't know, you know, the sun moves over the sky, you know, and hits the plants from both sides over the course of the day. And all those smaller buds at the bottom, like I can sell those to if they're dense at all, like they're still they're still worth something. So. I mean, as long as the the bottom branches aren't laying in the soil, you know, trim those up, make sure they're not in the way of like if I'm using sprayers, make sure nothing's in the way of the spray or spraying, you know, over the circumference of the pot. But lollipopping just takes a ton of time. I do do leafing in my depth greenhouses and just to defoilate as they call it now. But I just call it leafing or big leafing just to just to get better light penetration on certain strains. But no, not a whole lot of lollipopping. Yeah, I'm not lollipopping either. Like the most growth cleanup that I'll do is if I'm looking through the internal structure of a plant and I can't like stick my hand through it without like it turning into a jungle or hitting every branch and leaf on the way in, then I'm going to do a little bit of clean it up in there. But if she's breathing just fine, like if a big gust of wind comes through and I could see that it exchanges air on every node all the way up, I'm not going to I'm not going to clean off any of the inner growth. I'm not going to take what people call the suckers or those little branches. I leave all that stuff. But if I can if I can see a plant choking itself out, if I can see like actual fan leaves like decaying on the internal growth because of partial cannibalization but also a complete lack of sunshine, then I'll clean up some of that inner stuff. The cream bag seed that I popped this year had some inbred mutant stuff going on. And she had some internal jungley growth that no matter how much I trained her outwards, there was still internal growth that was in shade almost all all day all day long. So it's it's strain strain dependent on whether or not if I'm doing a bunch of cleaning up on the on the fan leaves or the internal growth. Cool. Yeah, I'm pretty much the same. I'm just open up the center of the plant similar to like cherry tomatoes. I mean, like you said, as long as I've got I don't know if I've got four or five like main collars, as long as there's a nice gap in the center where air can sort of move around. I'm cool with that. Yeah, as well as readability. Yeah, I won't grow something like I've seen pictures of Erkl and like deep chunk and Baba where they grow like a ball leaves everywhere. So I won't grow something like that. I mostly like the long flower and shit in the greenhouse. Yeah, those are deep chunk plants. Those varieties you just named are notorious for having just tons of nodes and tons of larph on the inside. And I'm not growing anything like that, besides maybe some pool nuts, which is kind of similar. But if that was the case, yeah, I'd have to rethink it because they've just got, you know, a node every, you know, inch or so on the inside. And it's just so much extra foliage and they larph up so bad. And I feel like that much extra is definitely going to rob from your your top buds. But, you know, when when your nodes are further apart, man, I just look at it as like, there's a whole small market. So everything that's not big enough to go in your bag of like a buds goes in the bee buds or smalls. And they're, you know, they're easy to machine trim and, you know, sell them for you sell them for less, but you can still sell them. So and you're machine trimming, so you're not really paying a trimming cost like you are. So, you know, I just look at it that way. Yeah, I was tell Matt over here, it's like 2004, whatever, in Cali, like it'll all go all those tiny little buds on the bottom of the stem. Put that off, that'll go. Yeah, yeah, that's man, that's a good error to be in right now. It's a good place to be. It was it would be nice, bro. We kind of got here, I think we're talking about like light and air penetration and all that. Let's talk about PM mold, botrytis, all those things. Get into it. So I'm guessing me and thousand full are kind of in the same boat where we have pretty dry, dry climates and good wind. I've got pretty good wind at my spot too. And do you mean the question? Oh, yeah, sorry, Kush. Yeah, my bad. And like it's pretty constant, you know, a medium to heavy wind and, you know, and I mean, that's great for all those things. I know people closer to the coast do do a bit more lollipopping and thinning in the inside of their plants. I don't really get PM outdoors. You know, something about the UV from the sun really suppresses it. What I will see later on in the season on the north side of a plant, you might see some PM starting. But by that point, you usually already started harvest and you just see it forming on a plant, you're not going to do anything else with at that point. Besides chop it down and maybe chop it up or burn it or whatever you do with your stems in the greenhouses for sure. I'll see PM and and it's just part of our routine. If you're foiler feeding with minerals or or, you know, some type of like xime product or phosphorus product. That usually suppresses it pretty good for me without, like, specifically spraying for it. I found over the year just spraying anything helps with PM, honestly. So, yeah, I don't know, something about the UV, I think really, really does that work for you. Yeah, I've never, and like I said, we're not that far. We're basically just on the opposite side of the valleys of each other with very similar similar locations. I the only time I've ever had to deal with PM was because nearby wisteria bushes were like over hydrated and we're just dripping water on my plants. And had they not been overhung by them, then there wouldn't have been any PM to be created on them. No, yeah, it I've always described my area as like almost desert, high, high desert. Like it's a very arid, very dry and very windy until it's not like the second mid September hits. It just it comes. It's it's almost always and if there's a rainstorm, there's a day where it's an inch of rain. My little my little side of the mountain up here, we have a perfect little storm of that southern. The southern cold winds blowing up the valley, mixing or the hot southern winds blowing up the valley, mixing in with the cold air that comes down off the foothills. And I live right at that congruence. It makes for amazing thunderstorms and sixty second, hundred and twenty second long rolling thunder, but it also brings with it some crazy storms. So. Yeah, PM is not something that I battle with generally, but the mold when when I start getting those days where, you know, plants have absorbed, you know, an inch of rain over like a six hour, eight hour, twelve hour period. That's when I'm going out the next day and I'm shaking down every plant and trying to get as much moisture off of them as possible because I because I know what's going to come if you leave enough moisture and I'm no expert in dealing with grey mold or or boisteritis, but from my observations, I notice it grows best and initially off of necrotic material. If there is a dead plant cell, even if it's tiny and the right moisture with the right lack of UV contact, it seems to just create itself instantaneously. And so then the last couple of years, I've tried changing something because I notice when I'm defoliating dead cannibalized fan leaves. Normally, I'll just hand pluck them. I'll grab it by the leaf and I'll just rip down or rip up and I'll pluck it right off the plant. And then I'll come back in late flower and that exact node where I plucked off that fan leaf is right where the boisteritis, the grain mold has started is where where I plucked that off. And then two years ago, instead of hand plucking, I started taking the scissors and just snipping the end of those those leaf branches off and stopped plucking. And I noticed that those boisteritis, the grain mold areas where it would normally be attacked, where there was dead necrotic material, it wasn't happening nearly as often. So knowing or at least observing what I've seen in my garden, how it likes to attack the necrotic and dead material, it's changed how I defoliate my plants. That's that's that's right on. I've noticed similar stuff, too. And. Yeah, it does like those dead leaves if you've got a dead bud leaf for a or a parched one devoid of nutrients. It'll like to start there. Yeah, I don't do a whole lot for mold besides trying to grow strains that aren't going to mold before they finish. Yeah. And. You know, like strains like sour diesel don't mold, but they go so late that I feel like they can't finish very well where I'm at. I don't want to run something past Halloween or even up to Halloween of October 31st. It's just too late for me. It's just too cold, usually every day, every night for them really to finish up right. Right. But they don't mold. I've done it before. And I mean, they go through storms and they just don't fricking mold, which is awesome. Yes. You know, I've never had a big mold problem up here. I've always ran strains that finish up before the mold is going to come in before the before that next storm comes in. It seems like clockwork every year we get a storm in late September and it's and it's too early for for mold to really set in. And that's fine. You know, it washes the plants off. I mean, I like it. Honestly, it keeps the dust down. It, you know, it makes everything smell fresh and new. And it really feels like harvest time when that happens. But yeah. Generally, I take all my tops first anyways. So. You know, once that second growth is it's not those fat colas like like the top. So they they don't they're not going to mold up as easy. But it just depends like this year we're getting a ton of rain for September and October more than normal. So and I run in all new strains that I don't know what they do or how they perform or even when they were going to finish. So I have seen more mold than usual. That's that's a combination of running strains that aren't tried and true and more rain than usual. Like we had. Yeah, I mean, we've had more rain already in October than probably the last two, three years combined, honestly, at least for the first half of October. So, you know, I kind of already decided what I didn't want to run and it was it was a lot of those super, super center big giant center cola fat buds, but kind of just like meh on the turps from compound. Those things are bred. Those things are bred, you know, indoors in salts, you know, with probably with LED lighting and it's just not. Like that kind of breeding constantly is just taking genetics a certain way where even though a lot of our genetics are were bred indoors, I feel like you do another selection when you move outdoors and so you figure out, OK, this is what I like, but let's see what works for me in this environment. And you do selections off of that, you might do breeding off of that. Other breeders up here, especially like 707 Seed Bank, like he's really bred for like NorCal outdoor climate and a lot of his strains do well, do well in that situation. So I'm growing a lot of his strains, but like I know he's done that. And and I do my selections like I'd rather run run a bunch of clones and figure out which ones work for me and which ones don't and just select, select, you know, clones that way. Yeah, I definitely want us to return to particular plants or, you know, lines or individuals that have and have not done well for you guys. But maybe we'll let booze, yeah, finish first about where they have to deal with PM and mold. So not PM and I may be off base, but I think PM is more of like a cooler climate thing, maybe like cool temperament coast or because I'm in the subtropics so we don't have those cool nights in summer. I don't think I've ever seen PM on cannabis, except perhaps once when I was growing a cucumber in the same bed, which I just want to make that mistake again. But yeah, as long as you're in veg, super fucking easy to deal with just like lactobacillus or even like a milk spray or something like that. But yeah, Boyd Tris is a big, big concern. So like the photo that's in my little DP, that was that year that we had monsoons. So the weather is just fucked, man, it'll be inconsistent. Generally, we can assume that in March, which is I guess your September, we're going to have say like autumn, you know, we're going to have a lot of rain. So it always rains at Easter time. But this year was particularly bad. So we had roughly 95 percent humidity and just torrential downpours for like two weeks straight. And that was about, you know, two thirds of the way through flower. So, you know, big fucking handkerchief. Yeah, it was shit out. So there's like in that picture there, there's a massive tarp over that. And I was out there most days or even when it was raining really bad, I was sort of standing under there with like a broom. Every 20 minutes, I was fucking push the tarp up, man. It was fucked like never seen rain like that. We had thousands of houses destroyed, floods and shit. Yeah, but that year was cool, man. I lost like a half a pound. So that was like, you know, a tenth of that crop went to mold in the bin and the rest of it made it through, which was good. But that was the genetics, too. That was like that sweet skunk. That's one crusted jizzle. So it was, yeah, it was good for the for the conditions. But yeah, I've one mistake that I've made, I always assume that our climate was the same as California, but you guys don't get a lot of rain in summer, right? It's mostly like winter time or we're we're a Mediterranean climate here in Northern California. We'll really all of California, which is a West Coast phenomenon. So I think you guys do have a Mediterranean Mediterranean climate in Perth. Yeah. But like that's, you know, the only places that happens is wet on West Coast, like West Coast of South America around Chile, Perth, Australia, and then forget where in Africa they get it, but Africa has that as well. And then obviously the Mediterranean area up in Europe. But yeah, that means warm, warm, dry summers and then mild winters. So where could we have a similar climate to in the States, like Oregon or something like that? Do they get a little rain in the summertime or still not yet? But they don't have they don't. I mean, maybe even further north you might be more like an East Coast climate because they get they have a lot of humidity and then they get the humidity just builds and builds and builds and then they get a thunderstorm like Florida or something like that probably even. Yeah, more like that. I've never lived out there, so I don't know. But if you're if you're humid and get a lot of rain in the in the summer, like I think that's more of like an East Coast type thing. Yeah, yeah, it can be rough at times. Some years we'll get a good year. But yeah, I mostly prefer like I'll start my shit later. Like I love to have things finishing around the May period. So obviously for you guys, it's too late snow and shit by then. But if I can stretch it so starting things off say like November, December, instead of like September, it gives me just an extra few months. So I'm flowering when it's a little bit dry and cooler and stuff like that, especially in the greenhouse. So what would your may be equivalent to for them in terms of one month before June? So May is like November. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so that's like the beginning of winter really for us. Yeah, too late. See, because when I was buying seeds initially, so I do a few packs of stuff from Shah. I've got all Betsy cross to the Kush cleaner. So I'm looking for them. But I've seen those grown out. There's there's good stuff in there for sure. Free time. Yeah, I got two packs, man. So that's that's on top of the list for when I get the new spot sorted. That'd be cool. I've got some Betsy cross to happy from high lonesome as well. So yeah, be some. I got some of that sitting in front of me right now, cured and ready to smoke. Down right after this. Melo vision. What kind of nose? Pine citrus, a little bit of mango, not heavy mango and like a little cream, little creaminess in it, but lots of pine and lots of mango. Damn, because yeah, that one sounds like it'd be a mango bomb with the GC and the and the Betsy. Yeah. I don't know what you're going to say something about the grains that have done notoriously well in Northern California. Oh, yeah. The Kush cleaner as well. But I don't know, like tons of that's been grown up here. Dude, it's just the structure of the plants, the finishing time, the look of the nuggets, the yield, the quality of the bud. Like those were big, like popular commercial producers up here. I'm thinking I'm going to get some skunk dog because I've seen Grayskull in Hawaii with the skunk dog and that apparently seems to do really well with humidity, similar thing to the bubblegum. Oh, yeah, absolutely. They they definitely have humidity out there. That would be a good thing to to look for is like, so they're breeding for the most part, they're breeding outdoors out there, I think, like. I would assume most of them are growing some type of depth or short season plant. So that would be, yeah, sourcing some of their genetics, Joey Weed. Or is it Joey? Well, yeah, they might be indoors as well. But I think, yeah, yeah, totally, totally. That those would be good genetics to look into for what might work well for you. And they've got in the dude and their weed out there is is tremendous. They've got. I mean, you know, just the quality that they're growing and and and what they're doing out there, especially those people, is it's it's it's the highest quality pot out there. Even from the kind of Bible, like HP 13 and like the sour pea and stuff like that, man, it always looked really good stuff to get something like that gone. Oh, I had some Molokai Frost. I was the TK man, friend of mine grew his from Ochi Goat and Monkey. Yeah, it was the thing it was your reverse TK onto that Molokai Frost. And that was some good smoke, man. That was like, yeah, I wouldn't say skunky, but like certainly like rotten fruit. I could get into it. It's beautiful. Nice. Do you do you make your own scene? Not yet, man. I've mostly just looking for clones. I got some advice early on, like, you know, just get a bit of a library going first, which yeah, so I will be once I've got the space, definitely like doing more preservations, but I'm doing my first little project at the moment. I don't know if it's going to work. I did a I tried to reverse a clone. I've got it's some thread cutter from CB. So it's Rubber City, Chemde, Afghani, Cross to Jeasel. And so this one's pretty ranked. It stacks rather hard. It's got a it's pretty hardy. It's been in the room of things that have like got some might damage and stuff. And it just chugs along. Yeah, really ranked nose super cerebral effects. I'm trying to reverse that onto a couple of the sativas that I've got just to try and find a plant that will throw down some chunks outdoors and have some nice stank to it. So that's like my first little thing that I'm doing, but never really made seed. This is a perfect segue, by the way, because I was going to prompt y'all to talk about like, yeah, like I was saying earlier, lines or individual plants that have typically done well, but also maybe you guys could talk about individuals that did particularly poorly. Yeah, I'll kind of already there. So open open to anyone. So kush, I noticed you grew some some train wreck hybrids this year. Yes, sir. I've grown a few myself over the years and the biggest yielding plant I've ever had is a train wreck to West Coast dog. And the the size of the colas, what that I mean, they were as long as my arm just dense all the way, just the whole thing. I've never had colas and can't see on the screen, but like the length of my arm is like the cola and then it branches off and goes into the plant. By far the biggest yielding plants I've ever had. The quality was just like it was like big dense West Coast dog nugs, not quite as dense as West Coast dog with like a little bit of train wreck smell. Right. So it was that turpinoline sort of smell. Supermids, but total mold bomb like molded up like nobody's business. And I've grown West Coast dog out here. It finishes early. So mold's not a problem. And it smells like hay, but it looks beautiful in the bag. So, you know, it's just a matter of if you can sell it or not. But that's that's something and I've grown train wreck and I've grown train wreck back crosses out here, which all do great. They really need a lot of support though, because they're basically rubber rubber stemmed. But yeah, they bend over and twist like without like like not even breaking five or six. Yeah, but they're just. Yeah, you can be. That's and I think that like honestly, of all the train wreck stories, I don't know it's true or what's not true. But like of all the train wreck stories I've heard the fact that you could grow a big plant outdoors and have it just basically laying on the ground. Yeah, looking like a mess like a train wreck, basically. I think that's where it got its name. Because if you don't support those things and way back in the day, like when train wreck first came around or at least first got out there, that's like you're talking like late 90s and nobody was growing, you know, 99 in full sun at that point. And I'm thinking, you know, they're they're growing, you know, under a tree somewhere and like not, you know, setting up cages and trellis netting and all this stuff. And it's like those plants are looking like absolute train wrecks because they're laying flat on the ground without a broken stem on them. Right. But just laying basically just laying on the ground growing like a like a ground cover, I would assume. And that's how it's got its name. That's my guess. Like it makes total sense. I love that. I would have to agree out of all the names that are the reasons I've heard the names, you know, like people pick the names and all the wild shit people said, like it seems really obvious to me that that's probably the genesis of at least that name for it because it does look like a mess. Like it's considered creeper style. Like if you see Neville's old catalog and talks about the creeper phenotypes, that's supposedly what that look is where the apical bud grows like lower than the other buds. You know, just kind of like that. And that and that's kind of like that mother shit not so is talking about that they also mentioned in the candle Bible. I never saw that. I never saw that one. But I was always interested to see it just because of how it grows. Yeah, that always held my fascination to. No one knows what the trainwreck is, right? Like I spoke to a pack and he said he thinks it has tie in it. But would anyone have any idea like just a tie Afghan that someone kept? Yeah, I figured if Caleb doesn't know, then probably no one's gonna really have a good grasp on it. He's had it for so long and really searched out the history. And it predate does it predate a lot of the seed bank shit because it's from like the 80s, right? Or 90s or we're not sure. 80s or 80s. I think we don't even know the true genesis. I don't think we know. But I mean, the first I heard of it was probably around 99 or 2000. Yeah. And so that means even if it makes its way down to the Bay area where I was just south of the Emerald Triangle, that's like the first named weed I ever knew. And I loved it. It was it was awesome. It was so much different than what else was out there. And there was, you know, there's still good weed out there. But so like if it took that long to get to me, like when I'm like 17, 18 years old, I'm guessing I guess it had been around since at least the mid 90s, but more likely before that even just before it like it gets released or gets off of that hill wherever it started. The the the Terps on it, like train wreck Terps or Jack Terps or Terpinoline or whatever that may be. Like, yeah, that's super common for all those sort of like, like narrowly varieties. Sure. Maybe not so much the tie, but like definitely some of the Panama, definitely some of the Colombian. But like the look of it, I haven't seen anything that that looks quite like it. Yeah, thanks. It's pretty neat. Those those specifically the large conical shaped buds, the way that they they perfect, they're not triangular, but they have cone, they're almost a cone shape at the base that goes up. It's it's funny you mentioned that because the the out crosses of train wreck that I see seem to get like a giganticism. Like when the train wreck on its own, it has decent. It has decent sized buds. But when I saw it crossed to Callio two years ago and when I saw it crossed to Salmon Creek, Big Bud, about five or six years ago that I grew, they both were soda can like mad dog, like 40 ounce soda can colas that were obnoxious. And I just it seems that when when you when you cross her out to something, she she just takes off with that that genetic. And you can see it in her. You can see it across multi like the second I popped that Callio to train wreck from CSI. I was looking at this and I was like, man, my my brain says train wreck. I'm looking at the way these buds are forming. And it it just like to a T followed in with it. And I see those same things from Pax ATW. So through CSIs, hybrids and the S one all the way over to what what Pax is is dealing with, there's there's the similarity of that conical shaped just like it has it has that that recognizable pattern to it that I don't see in a lot of other places. Is there any like sense that you guys associate with something that will be mold resistant? A set PM PM or mold resistant either or. Oh, no, I think it's more like oral. Oral, definitely blood structure. Yeah. So so the one thing I did I've seen hold true so far is strawberry tends to like even stuff from earth beer. Earth beer is known to be super super mold and PM resistance. And, you know, it was built out in Switzerland where it's really, really humid and it needs to finish fast. And, you know, all the way to strawberry cough stuff, it breeds true for all sorts of PM and mold resistance. So I always wondered if that was like because it carries so heavy with strawberry if there were other scents that may also kind of do that. Wasn't sure. Are there any? I haven't noticed anything that related. Yeah, I can't I can't make correlations with I can make correlations with peppery and with really spicy plants that have pest resistance. I've grown a couple of different ones that smell like black ground pepper or white pepper and they are almost untouched by by insects. Yeah. That that's interesting. I didn't know that part. That that girl scout cookie savage purple that you and Brent tried that. Yeah, yeah, like pepper. And yeah, when I microscope it and when I'm taking a closer look at it, I'm not seeing it a single bug. No no exoskeleton is no no frass, you know, left behind for any wings or anything. It's like they just don't don't even want to touch it. That's interesting. I'm trying to find something go for proof like I've been fighting these things. I got I got these this poll thing called a gopher hawk. You guys ever seen this? Yeah, it's I'm battling these mother they're tearing my yard up and I want to play catty shark and I can't dude. I'm so catty shark right now. I love that man is like quietly growing outdoors, but no one really knows that right now. Yeah, I was going to say, I saw those cherry tomatoes you were growing some for the order out there or something. Yeah, I don't even I don't count my outdoor because I suck it outdoor. Like I'm still learning. So I don't count this is growing. This is just learning. It's not like it's not my specialty. Yeah, fair enough. Learning curves to everything, especially in a brutal climate like Bakersfield bro. And you've even just talking to Little Hills taught me a lot like I was trying to bring in the indoor method to outdoor and just like, of course, I'm going to put it in a five gallon. Why the fuck wouldn't I? But that's not like realistic if you're putting it out at the beginning of the season in a five gallon pot and thinking you're going to get dank like and I'm bottle feeding out like there's so many things I'm doing backwards. So it's been a learning learning curve for sure. It's mostly trying to grow anything if you're putting in the black pot on cement or something. Yes. Yes. There's 150 degrees of the room ball. I had him right next to us a brick wall too. So my neighbor couldn't see anything on cement. So he's just cooking. And like there's so many common sense things I didn't take into account that that aren't common sense for indoor. And I've been so indoor centric for so long like none of it was checking out until like after a season of it and I'm going oh my God it's such an idiot. So most of this episode I'm just tuning in and listening because I don't really have much of a place to speak here. I want to learn. Yeah. I would plant late honestly. Put put them out at the beginning of August in and then pot them up into into whatever size you want them to finish in. So like if you veg them up in six inch pots you know pot them up into like a 10 gallon in August and that way like it won't really get root bound too bad or if it does happen it'll be you'll be well into flour already because you want those roots to be able to stretch as they as the plant stretches you want the roots to be able to stretch as well. Yeah. And so not not going too small on pot size was also helps regulate the temperature and not having it on cement or or or shading the pot with something. Yeah. Like you were talking about. Yeah. Yeah. I'm bored just leading a board up against it or against up all the pots or whatever. But like I like the late planting like there's no reason to get out at like you know solstice or bright before solstice in June if you if you don't have to like back in the day when we're trying to grow big plants up here because plant numbers was such an issue. Yeah. Like yeah you want to maximize all your veg time and try and get 10 pounds on on a plant. But nowadays like it's a misdemeanor regardless. So put out a thousand if you're right. Like you know and you'll do fine or whatever the case may be like it's just so hard to keep it happy that long and like if you're not going to go all out and put it in a 300 gallon pot or something like that then you might as well just wait till later and like you're going to get like the quality or buds going to be way nicer than it would be off a 10 pound plant. Oh for sure. You know if you just throw a little half ounce plant or excuse me a half pound plant or whatever the case whatever the case may be. That's why I'm growing like smaller plants in in in my outdoor is is one because I want a smaller stem and I want it to look more like depth or more like indoor ideally right. Yeah. But also like it just works perfectly with my system like we're busy planning my greenhouses in April and May and then like I guess even into June we're still planting greenhouses sometimes and then once those are planted then we can work on the outdoor crop and get the next wave of plants like cloned and grown up and plant the outdoor and then I'm in no rush to get in the outdoor like at the same time as I'm trying to get into everything else because I got to get into my greenhouses early to pull off two crops and take advantage of like the sort of season extension a greenhouse gives you and because I just once you lose sun it doesn't matter and then you know it just works perfectly into my system and then and then I kind of get the best of both worlds in a sense and I don't know just for me that that's that works super well and and honestly I'm sure people that have been growing like this a lot sooner if plant numbers were never an issue and that's the same reason I didn't go super deep on my beds you know it's six inches of potting soil with like another three or four inches of amended native soil underneath and like they don't they don't need 18 inches of soil of potting soil to to stretch their roots out like they they they do fill those beds out by the end of it but I want that and then maybe the roots will start going deeper to find extra water but I mean that's all they need I don't want them to well I guess the other side of this is a root bound plants going to trigger and start flowering earlier sometimes that can be to your advantage but like usually usually not because you're you're fighting this uphill battle at that point yeah to keep the plant with enough nutrients and watering it four times a day or whatever whatever even more with like 114 yeah it's going to be trying that pot out super fast so you know it's just like manipulating certain things to to your advantage but not letting them be the variable that really like ruins your season like you know trying to grow up a full term plant in a five gallon pot it's just you're going to be fighting uphill and I I see people I mean people you'd be surprised how many people do this not really realize that thinking that 45 gallon pot they planted in June and it's going to be enough yeah it's it's not like unless you want to feed it four times a day and and have to pump it full assaults because you know there's there's not enough there's there's not enough nutrients in your soil there's not enough soil you're not going to have a giant fall like all all all these things together I mean I've had friends do this over I've watched them and it's like they never listen to me and then and then they go through one season you know on their backyard grow and they realize what I was talking about right don't veg your plants out to six feet tall in February and then put them out in June in the hundred gallon pot thinking you're going to end up with a 50 pound plant it's not going to happen you're going to end up with a shitty ass plant that grows ugly bud because the plants sick the whole time you'd be better off waiting till June and put out like a one foot tall plant you know that you veg for a month or whatever or maybe less and you'll end up with more and it'll be better weed at the end of the day yeah I was trying to play mostly the game that I have a snoopy neighbor and like I wanted to be able to move the plants you know keep them moving essentially so wherever like because he likes to get up on ladders and look or just be a little bitch so I like to keep a moving and you can't really do that in smaller pots so I was trying to play the indoor game when realistically just the smells in the morning alone like ruin all still for me you know yeah and then if you've got them vegged out all summer like that's more time for you for him to see him where if like one like there's nothing until August and then all of a sudden there's like a little screen over your patio or something right come on yeah they're going to flower out and you're going to be there you're going to you know they're going to be done by by then you know so yeah I like that I heard of a guy I've never seen it myself but he told me about a long time ago he would root a clone upside down so that the branch you know how the branches want to come up like this off the stem yeah but he would root it upside down so he could so it would come like this and he could bend it horizontally yeah that work yeah I know in the sense it was rude upside down and then it's easier to bend those branches and get them going horizontally along a fence and keep them low then to bend them you know that way yeah have them split you know what I mean how did the roots grow that would never done it did they try to grow it was a technique I heard about like did they try to grow down and around the top of the plug when it was hanging did he hang them upside down and have the tray upside down to root them no I think he just turned the clone upside down to root instead of rooting you know the like he didn't have a top on the clone he just got you got you got you got you yeah so then he just turned it upside down left a bunch of bunch of stem I guess it's hard to say left a bunch of stem on the top to root that yes and then the and then the branches were already coming out this way but then they easily go horizontal instead of a regular plant with the branches like this and then trying to bend them back down where they'll split so and he did all of that to trellis it along a fence so his neighbors couldn't see so essentially what you're saying is like it's a normal growing plant like this he cuts the top off cuts this off right here flips it upside down and roots this part without the top roots yeah roots the top stem with the two branches on it two branches over here that are fully yeah that's wild man yeah just to just to bend them horizontally easier he said it worked I believe them you know I mean like it's it's a novel idea it's unique it's out of the box yeah I haven't seen that one but I've been like all that kind of shit like my mate's dad who was like one of my best mates and taught me growing and stuff he used to grow a lot of like Southeast Asian sort of weed so nothing super crazy but it was just he imported from you know 70s 80s 90s season 60s and then just the remnant seed they just you know pull seed out of each bud each year and just keep it in a in a jar so it was basically like some sort of OP but nothing too great but man because he had like pretty small fences he would do all that shit so like layerage where you're getting like branches and burying the branches in the ground to get like more more roots and stuff on them so you're getting like more water he'd do the almost grow it like a grapevine have like a single store and then just like grow it sideways so that would have been advantageous doing the clones like an Estelia yeah I guess but yeah yeah similar to a grapevine you know you'll get like it'll be three meters long and only like a meter tall it's crazy that's also a giant pumpkin a technique to grow your grow your pumpkin plant you know obviously you're chopping off all the other pumpkins except your one but then you bury the the vine again to grow roots and then let it come back up so that you've got this huge root system for this one pumpkin on this giant plant I mean the pump the big pumpkin growers they have these plants that take up like you know a thousand square feet or two thousand square feet it's one pumpkin plant but it's got vines that have been continuously buried to grow roots and all that energy just ends up at one growth site that's like crazy maybe next to an Alaska two thousand pound pumpkin yeah CSI CSI wants to jump in on the pumpkin growing scenario is he talking about that I know he's into it I've never talked to him about it he used to do some some some funny games back in the day with guess how much this bed will weigh yeah that I love but I don't know they just the record just got broken for for the giant pumpkin down in a half moon day twenty seven hundred pounds yeah it's all that recently is insane and it's the it's it's just amazing it's them it's and they're just it's just organic like super pumping their plants tons of microbes tons of rich earth tons of compost I don't know what else they're doing I mean I'm sure the guys have a lot of tricks but like that's that's one of them that that is just super interesting Gord that's interesting I get it one thing that booze did gesture towards that I wanted him to talk about a bit more is actually some of the NLD leaning stuff that he likes to run yeah you tell us a bit more about what you've experienced so far with those that's yeah man it's more just the climatic concern for me I mean I like I appreciate the high more as well like I when I was in Amsterdam that was mostly what I was buying just like the sativas and the various haze crosses and stuff like that so it's my preference in terms of smoke and yeah it just happens to grow well here as well so generally yeah man I'm my best success I guess is probably that the death in Venice that I did so that was the sweets gunk S1 crossed to the diesel and that was that sort of super turpinoline bombs hazy effects that I like yeah aside from that man I'm working on getting into some of the more NLD stuff from white buffalo like I've got a shitload of packs they're one of the people that I distribute through the seed bank so I've got a shitload of packs from them just like seeds man haze crossed to Colombia and black like bunch of Nepalese stuff all sorts of different things like that so I've done a few indoors like I grew a bandaid haze plant indoors and a Harlem Dreams as well which is like a 11 weaker it's like Blue Dream crossed to a PIF S1 and they did pretty well indoors but throwing them outdoors man you'd see that that's where they want to thrive they'll just keep going and going so yeah that's some going forward I want to try and move into like doing some outdoor breeding like I don't really hear about it too much like the only time I've heard anyone sort of talk about it is breeder Steve said that he used to do like a selection or two like a round or two of selection outdoors and then bring them indoors so it's something that I'm interested in because that Shard does a lot of outdoor breeding and obviously mean Jean as well there's like outdoor stuff but there are a lot of breeders breeding outdoor seeds and then people are taking them indoors like is this a concern that indoor growers have that people will breed their seeds outdoors like it is for me that's interesting you can do whatever you want with the plant right and a lot of what growers are growing is just if you're an outdoor grower you're going to want to make combine outdoor plants that you think would go good together that work for you if if both mothers or or both lines do well outdoors then hey put them together maybe something cool happen out of that or maybe you want to take like one strain that's like very hyped up but it's like you know whatever the markets like really wanting like a gelato or something and at least they were wanting that and then and then you know combining it with like Blue Dream or whatever outdoor stranger running that that that maybe breed good stuff for outdoors like Green Crack or the Appalachia like those are just those are just super winter outdoor plants and yeah you can always take them back indoors but it just seems like there's already like indoors is like controlled environment it's the same around the world so it's not as necessary and it seems easier to take breeders that are exclusively breeding you know indoor to out in Rockwell under LEDs to just run those genetics are probably going to do what you want as opposed to you know outdoor just strains being bred for their outdoor qualities doing what you want outdoors so you can do both and and it's not like you're not going to find something from the outdoor varieties that's going to work great for you indoors because they were all outdoor varieties eventually or originally and then they went indoors and indoors bred for something specifically and then we went back from indoors to outdoors and oh what works well outdoors like you know it wasn't that Dutch stuff it was the stuff there already had growing in the hills here and you know people would run the same strain indoors in their warehouse that they were growing outdoors and under the trees and like it's such a mix but like you just got to figure it out and like if I was going to look for strains to run in a warehouse like I wouldn't necessarily go towards my outdoor genetics I'd look for what's like what the market wants out of out of that stuff and but if you know for my environment if I'm looking for what's going to work out there like I got to remember what the market wants but like I also got to remember that like I just grew out a bunch of stuff from compound and none of it's impressive and these are and these are phenote these aren't like seeds on pop and these are like selected phenotypes that were selected in an outdoor dep or greenhouse and I'm still not that high on I'm still not stoked on them like I see but I have other better stuff in my garden so you can go either way I just think you know when you're selecting genetics you should think about what your environment is and where these where these selections came from I think that's one of the most important things is like looking at your environment and choosing genetics based on that perfect example I'll cite CSI on this because this is his more his area but when he was talking about the purple hindu kush this is a plant grown exclusively mostly out in Oregon or NorCal, right and it does real well outdoors doesn't have a lot of intersex traits however when you bring anything in doors and breed with it it's constant herms in doors and what he's been telling me is that you can almost always take indoor stuff out and if it's herm prone it's it's going to herm less outdoors it'll still might herm a little bit but when you bring outdoor bred stuff indoor it's a lot more variable on how well it'll take sexually and stress wise the other consideration I take into outdoor breeding is depending on where you're at if a lot of people around you like Mendocino humble are also growing outdoors there's a it's a lot harder to control pollen contamination and we've learned pollen travels miles if it wants to it's lighter than air so that's the only other things I would take into consideration but you're dead on bro like people should really be considering their environment and what genetics are known to work best for their environment instead of trying to force stuff into holes that it doesn't necessarily fit in right that that hermy thing is absolutely true like poodle nuts is a great example yeah that nuts all over the place indoors and I mean it can be it can be suppressed and but it can get out of control to I've I've had sure for sure and but like I've never seen one hermy pollen sack on a on a pool that's outdoors and I've grown it in greenhouses I've grown it in in a full term plants like nothing nothing ever and so like yeah that is true like generally you can take indoor genetics in group that might have hermy issues or might not and not you won't see them outside you won't see them under the sun really because even in depth you won't see them yeah but then if you do a selection out there and then bring it inside you might have selected something that that hermies all over the place indoors for whatever reason I don't know why but that's always held true yeah yeah that's pretty significant my Yega S1 does that shit throw down like it'll throw down big chunks beautiful take that shit indoors herms like a bitch like early and late like week three and then again at like week seven oh no like not stuff you want to run with indoors don't don't blow out the whole tent yeah right definitely that's why I was outdoor breeding do we know genetics of Yeager Yeager is purple hindu kush isn't it that's what they claim yeah maybe we don't know anything about I know that but that is bullshit to me but yeah the Yeager as far as we know is Millerville's purple hindu kush I think that's what's supposed to be what they say yeah no one's ever really seen the annus to even other than not so in a few other people to compare it and I don't know that he's grown Yeager to compare it to say for sure yeah my ones I love it as a smoke there's one because it's got like a little bit of a cushy flavor to it too but mostly I it's multifaceted everyone that's got to be like damn the note is interesting so it's a unique one keep around and like I wonder if you could like acclimate the clone indoor like if you have a selection that does harm if you can keep running indoor and in you know time after time after time again if it will ever acclimate to not I don't know maybe sort of bond with your room over time and how you go in the flower too though like the flower throughout these real spindly little buds like the most skinny buds have ever seen like little fucking pinkies but then outdoor throws like chunks like I got it out of the moment and it's like these big thumbs so that's I've seen that a lot bro I remember I saw that a lot with early on when I was buying seeds from like like Canada when I'd see purple stuff because it was at the time it was so rare and I was like oh it is purple it may be safe may say that it's like outdoor but with the fuck do I know so I'd order it an indoor it would be complete trash like her me trashed it was all airy but outdoor it solves a rock and beautiful and that was another thing that I experienced that like indoor lights don't necessarily dense up larphy bud at all like sometimes it just does the opposite for certain strains that are geared to outdoors. Yeah, yeah, I don't I don't know what the variable is like is it intensity is it spectrum. I are. Temperatures like I have no idea what that variable is. I'm sure it's got to do it. It almost seems like indoors it's like you've got someone that's like immunocompromised. Right. Yeah. Yeah, you take him outdoors and they're fucking eating dirt and worms and you know. Yeah. There's a grower out here that that is always and I've kind of seen it myself. He kind of like preaches to take your mom's outside and let him let him get some of that midsummer sun. Yeah, and just sort of revitalize them before he take it back indoors again. He's always preached that and that makes perfect sense to me because I mean the plant really does want that full spectrum and whatever it is in the sun, you know, that's not getting replicated well enough indoors. Like it really it really cranks them and it can bring back their health for sure. Yes, outdoor some sunshine therapy. Right. It's I've always said it's like it's impossible to match the spectrum that's coming off of that burning ball of helium. There's there's probably actors there that we can't even quantify that's happening. I like how he called it a burning ball of helium. I didn't even consider the sun was really thank you, sir. Mostly helium. Just noticing that we've maybe got another like 15, 20 minutes until we hit the two hour mark. And one thing I wanted to ask you all is there's anything changed towards late flower because I think, OK, today we're probably not going to get to like harvest and post harvest. Maybe that would make a good next installment to harvest and post harvest. But what about like late flower specifically? Were there any other considerations or changes in like what you guys have to do day to day? I would say one one easy mistake is if you use timers, which I've always used timers and on valves to do irrigation at a certain point on my outdoor, it's on a timer and it's it's whatever it is. It's every other day. Usually they get watered. When the temperatures drop in whether it be September or October, make sure you reduce the watering and so you're not over watering plants now that aren't using as much water because the night temperatures usually cool down first. And then it takes, you know, it takes more time in the middle of the day for the plants to sort of wake up and start drinking water again. That's that's one thing I think mistakes people make and especially on those longer flowering strains, you could end up over watering them all of October. And I'm sure that just leads to betritis issues and just not not capturing the best part or the most important part of the flowering cycle. Well, that's that's that would be my little tip. Yeah, very nice. Kush, anything about late flowering comes to mind for you? Man, it used to be a big concern for me, like, you know, super cropping the black cherry soda, where I was mostly worried about weight. But like the late seed, like a lot of a lot of big concerns don't crop up for me anymore. I mean, if I get a plant that I can see is susceptible to mold and, you know, like five or seven or eight of her colas are being attacked by it out of like, you know, 50 or 60. There was a point where I would look at that and go, shit, you know, I want to harvest this. I want to stop it before it happens any further. But, you know, as my as my goals change and as my needs for for what I was growing changed to just supplying myself and having enough for some friends and some family to hand out the care packages. You know, I look at those things and now I'm not so concerned about it. And now it's more like, well, how much can I push this plant or how like one of my favorite things to do is after I harvest a plant, I leave on about an ounce of mids and littles just left on the stem, and I'll leave it out there all season until the snows come and I'll check on it and I'll see what got really attacked by mold, what what's out here way beyond amber trichomes where stuff will naturally decay and still doesn't have mold on it. It allows me to experience harsher conditions with some of these plants and what they can really stand up to. I did a living dead girl from CSI two years ago. Pakistani chitral kush, Urkel and Girl Scout cookies mixed together. I left a bunch of I left some LARF and some littles on it and I came out like a month and a half later and I'm looking at flowers that have no mold on them, whereas the other skeletal structures of some of the Urkel, some of the more half Urkel strains that had basically baseball sized baseball bat colas, all of that stuff is moldy top to bottom turning brown already decaying past the point of of life being in it. And, you know, I'm looking at this other plan. It's like, yeah, bring on more. What what's mold? You know, is it terpenaline? No, no, it was it was another it was the pine tart, not pine tart, the living dead girl. That specific one was the peppery hashing one that when you ground it up, once you got past the initial smells, then a little bit of fruitiness came out in it. But on the nose, pepper, pepper, like spices, that was the one that was very pest resistant as well. It was mold as well as pest resistant. And she got put to the test. She was sitting in, you know, she sat through a couple of snowstorms. You know, she endured some stuff. Another another really crazy one that endured as much wet weather as it could have was the bubblegum to the Albert Walker. Makes sense. She bubblegum. Yeah, after here in CSI talk about his huge outdoor bubble run where 80 percent of it just endured those those rainstorms. It's like, well, shit, I'll put it to the test. And I had it outdoors last year till October 9th, and then we got hit with five inches of snow. And she was such a big plant that every all like the way I tie my branches to my cages, it created fulcrums and every branch broke right where it was tied to the cage. I was looking at it like, man, I didn't want to pull this plant down yet. I wanted to see how far she could really go in the late season, but, you know, she can't do nothing about snap branches like that. So the real quick, the blue resin is flowering super late, right? Like it started late. It is. It started late and it's flowering late. And it's I'm looking I was looking at it this morning and I'm looking like at another another two two and a half weeks before she's. Yeah, it's crazy, man. She's she's taking her sweet time. Why? What causes that late flowering trigger? Do we even know? So it's hard for me to nail it down because I moved my garden from I moved it like 150 yards down further into a little bit. So I have a little bit light difference and it's a little bit more of a corridor and I'm not getting as as full sunlight as I was in the spot before. Yeah, there's two or three plants that I expect August 1st by August 1st or August 7th. I should see I'm expecting plants that I can obviously tell they're stretching this year. Some of them it wasn't till the second or third week of August where I was like, oh, yeah, this this lady is like really reaching out there for the sun. So and that that was one of them. I mean, she's freaking. I was on top of a six foot tall ladder the other day and I still couldn't get to the top of her. It's unreal how how tall she isn't just that skinny super tall profile, man. I'm very interested in the mold part of that, too, because the bond it's been extremely mold resistant. But Kush is known for being a mold magnet. I was just looking over this morning. I only saw one little bit of decay and it was on a lower nug and it was it was basically the sugar leaf, not even a family for an internal. It was just an external little bit that probably came from a caterpillar shitting on it or some other. It was it wasn't like, yeah, it was an actual mold created from its own plant decay on itself. Yeah, I think it was external. This is a good test for it, too, for me like to have it be so late season up in your area to see how it will finish from old. I mean, that's killer. Yeah, if it was last year, the plant wouldn't have lasted. It's October 17th right now and I'm looking at the weather and like we don't even really have a big storm coming on the horizon in the next seven to 10 days. So it's it's all smooth sailing for for the rest of that. Yeah, dude, looking forward to it. Yeah, that bubblegum are sorry to get back to that bubblegum. It was brought out to humble and it was grown on the coast for years. And if if you can grow on the humble coast, like you're definitely going to be mold resistant in it. Yeah, yeah. And I guess it was it was brought from like Indiana or Michigan or somewhere. And yeah. And those guys did great with it on the on the coast, which which just means it's mold resistant. And it's it's interesting to hear about it doing well at higher elevation. I already it also finishes early. That's another thing. Yeah, fast. I've never grown it myself and I haven't grown any hybrids of it. But yeah, all I hear is good things about it outdoors for just a good bullet proof plant. Absolutely. Early finishing, extreme mold resistance. Reach tree for it. That's another labor. Yeah, totally. Totally. What I'm really sad about is the bubblegum. Those bulk park bubblegum turps rarely ever transfer over to the final flower. You'll smell it all the way through. But when you go to smoke and it's like, dude, I wish that bazooka bubblegum was still there. And yeah, yeah, that's rough on that part. Totally. Yeah, I got some of the sweet 16 to bubblegum that I didn't pop this year, but I was given this year from CSI. And I think because all the sweet 16 so far has this candy sweet rosy things. I'm wondering if that bubblegum to the sweet 16 doesn't block it in. Yeah, lock it in and keep it there. Because man, all these sweet 16 hybrids, dude, it's just like it's like walking into a candy shop. It's ridiculous how good these plants smell. My money's on Turpinoline, turning it up. The only time I've ever experienced pink bubblegum flavors was with the old Sensey Star, the superstar from Delta 9 Labs that called the 95 Sensey Star. There's a specific expression in there that's pink bubblegum and Turpinoline. And for whatever reason, it translates to flavor super well. So I do have a bunch of the Durban bubblegums from CSI that I'm probably going to run this next year just to see how that does, you know, how well that translates. Yeah, a little bit of anise, a little bit of Turpinoline right on top of it. That'll be good. Yeah. Thousand year on the bubbleberry indoors, right? Yeah, I ran it over summer and no dehumidification. It was great. It was great. It was I would normally have expected some botrytis under those conditions, but it was flawless. Pretty chunky, right? Yeah, it was chunky, too. And it did finish early, too. Yeah, your photos your photos kind of got me wanting to pop them for next year. I got some from Matt at the party and I'm like, oh, I want to do that outdoors. They kill it outdoors, bro. They kill it outdoors. I got some to another guy. So a few packs of yours, Matt. He's an outskirt, actually. Creep show. Oh, yeah, yeah. One of the craziest fucking girls of it I've seen, man. There's beautiful looking plants. So yeah, I'm looking forward to running it outdoors, too. I think it'll be a good one. I did the blue sour last year. So it was those mystery seeds. Yeah, I did that outdoors. And that was the same, like really, really fucking hot conditions. So I guess like one 15, one 20 Fahrenheit, high humidity and like not a click of mold. Now some good smoke. That's a killer. I get some more. That's awesome, man. And guys, yeah, this has been a great chat. We've got to touch on, like, lots and lots of different aspects of this. Like I mentioned, we'll probably get to come back and talk about harvest and post harvest because that will be kind of an interesting topic in of itself. For now, was there anything else that you guys, you know, wanted to mention before we went up? One thing before we wrap it up, if anybody has any comments about Outward Growing or any tips, anything we didn't cover that you want us to hear, be sure to leave a comment below because, yeah, we're always interested and we've been getting amazing comments from everyone watching. So be sure to leave a comment. Yeah, anything else from any of you that you wanted to mention? Before we wrap it up. No, it's not specific. Yeah, it was a good chat. I liked I feel like there's so much more we can cover too. So another episode definitely got to be on the way for sure. Yeah, totally. Harvest, harvest, post harvest topics and that and that works for indoors too. Yeah, it would be. Yeah, that would be interesting to to see how other people are doing it. But like dealing with dealing with a lot of harvest at once is always been the outdoor thing of it's all that you have some crazy stories. Yeah, I mean, yeah. One thing is you learn to be ready like I've seen people drop the ball on getting their harvest rooms ready or setting up some giant legal grow with consultants, but then not understanding that their their plants are going to do a lot better in Southern Oregon than they did in Colorado. So you're going to have 10 times as much weed. Oh, yeah. You know, and now you've got nowhere to dry it. So you grew all this weed and it basically just rots on the vine. So horrible. Yeah. Fuck them. Yeah. Oh, here. Fuck them. I've seen people do that in Mendo too, where like brutal, you know, you're trying to set up another carport to dry in and that's already not ideal. Yeah. It's just like, what were you thinking? Like, how do you not think about dry space? Like most growers will be like, oh, man, that's great. Where are we going to dry it? Like, yeah, how are we going to dry it? Like, that's like, that's part of it. So that's, I don't know. Yeah, this is the trailer for for next. Yeah, the next installment. Right. Yeah, yeah. Any shout outs from any of you or anything? Otherwise, we'll shout you guys out, obviously. Hey, shout out to you boys. Thanks for organizing it all. Yeah, yeah. Thanks for coming together to share that knowledge. Yeah, this has been really fun and we're getting a really good response from both the outdoor growing and indoor growing episodes. Maybe at some point you guys have to have a dance fight off against each other. But no, it's actually been great. We've had really good engagement on these. It also gives me and Matt like more time to look at like, you know, Codex episodes or like strain history episodes. So it all works out really well, just kind of like having a really good balance of content at the moment. But otherwise, you know, just want to say Little Hill is on Instagram. Little Hill cultivators. Cush of the Giants on Instagram. Cush of the Giants. Again, I'll try to get links into the description. Matt Boos also running Grit by Seeds and has a podcast. Remind me the name boots of your podcast. It's all about trees, but we're talking about it. You and I know about that. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And we are going to see Boos on to help us more as well in general on our show. So yeah. Hell yeah. Matt, anything from you, Matt? No, just the usual stuff. Go check out right seeds dot com for all of our feminized seeds spray and all of your seed needs. Go check out lifted genetics. You can find him on IG. We have Gurt by Seeds of Maddie. And we also have right Seat Co Europe for International Central European. We have our discord Patreon. And dude, I've just been loving the comments people have been leaving and all the interaction we've been getting on the videos. 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