 Okay, Sheera is also there. Good morning. Okay, let's get started. Just want to read from Jeremiah chapter 38 and verse 20. Okay, Jeremiah 38 verse 20. So Jeremiah says, they shall not deliver you. Please obey the voice of the Lord which I speak to you so it shall be well with you and your soul shall live. Okay, obey the voice of the Lord which I speak to you so it will be well with you and your soul shall live. Okay, so a very important instruction, a two-fold, you know, objective of obeying the voice of the Lord. We know that, yeah, the reference again, okay, Jeremiah 38 and verse 20. Jeremiah chapter 38 and it's verse 20. Right, excuse me. So please obey the voice of the Lord which I speak to you so it shall be well with you and your soul shall live. Okay, so the first thing the Lord wants us, we understand from this that the Lord wants as well and it's tied to or linked to obeying his voice, obeying his word. Right, so obeying his word is something that pleases him but really it is for our benefit. Like every command, every instruction is for our benefit so it shall be well with you and he says your soul shall live which means your, you know, our thinking, our everything can it'll just thrive and flourish and we see the same thing in 1 Peter chapter 1. Let's just look at that verse also. 1 Peter chapter 1 and verse 22. Okay, it says 1 Peter chapter 1 verse 22. Since you have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the spirit, in sincere love of the brethren, love one another fervently with the pure heart. You have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the spirit. Now sometimes you wonder, you know, why am I going through this, you know, emotionally tough phase or emotionally challenging phase? Why am I struggling with certain things, you know, emotionally? It's all up and down. The thing is to check, you know, have I obeyed the voice of the Lord because the obedience to the voice of the Lord, obedience to the instruction has a direct effect on our thoughts, our emotions and everything. You know, there is a clarity which comes to our mind, our thinking. There is a, there is a purity to our imagination and so, you know, even though things might be challenging and tough, right, we internally feel, we are flourishing. We internally feel fresh. We know that things are tough on the outside, things are challenging physically, etc. But then internally, we are thriving, flourishing and saying, you know, and there's so full of faith and that is linked to obeying the voice of the Lord or obeying the word of the Lord. So that's one thing to check and reflect, you know, am I obeying the word of the Lord? Because the scripture also says that, you know, the fleshly war against the soul, right? So which means there is a breaking down, there is damage done to our thinking, our imagination and our emotions. Whenever we go away from the Lord and obey or give in to the lust of the Lord, there is a, there's a damage that happens. So this is for our good, right? So let's just pray and, you know, and commit ourselves and particularly our thoughts, our imaginations, everything to the Lord, right? Father, we thank you this morning that you are mindful of us, Lord, you watch over us, Lord, and this morning, God, even as we draw near to you, we thank you for these words, Father God, that when we obey, oh God, your voice, Lord, your instruction, your precepts, oh God, that it is always for our good. We might be, that it might be well with us and, yes, and our soul will live, oh God, that there is a purifying that happens, oh God, to our thoughts and there is a clarity that comes to our mind, Father God, and emotions, oh God, the healing that comes to our emotions when we obey your voice, Father God, no matter how tough or difficult the challenges are, the situation is, oh God, there is a, there is a strength and clarity that comes, God. And so we thank you, Lord, for this, and Lord, we pray, we choose to, Lord, this morning to obey your voice, oh God, in the small things, in the little things, and in the challenging and the big significant things in life, Lord, Lord, maybe our practice, maybe our lifestyle, Lord, to wait for your voice, to listen to your voice, and to obey it, oh God, to be diligent, do us, Lord, off the word. We thank you, Lord. We come at this time in to your mighty hands, in Jesus' name, we pray, amen, amen. Okay, so let's continue with, if you have your notes, you can open it up to chapter 2, right? Chapter 2, let me just project that also. Okay, so chapter 2, there's an introduction to homiletics. Okay, so we looked at how we need to interpret earlier, homiletics, some of the principles, some of the basic principles that we need to look into, we reminded ourselves of that, how we need to interpret the word. And then, and the reason we looked at that is because the importance of, you know, importance of holding on to the right beliefs, rightly dividing the word, because that will always lead to right action, right, or right living. And especially in the view of homiletics, which means we are communicating, we are preaching, so we need to believe right in order to preach right. Okay, so when we do that, then people will also receive that, and also live right. Okay, I remember being part of a service where the pastor was, well, he had good things to say, this particular pastor. And but then, he was very verbally violent. Okay, so this ends, you know, you would use words like, you know, finish off your kill or mass, things like that, very violent words. And I remember, you know, after that, there was one particular couple who actually, you know, went into a, you know, very verbal, very verbally violent kind of a discussion argument. And immediately after the service, I was wondering, you know, does it have any relation? Does it have any correlation? Because you're hearing these violent words, you're receiving these violent words. And then, you know, it immediately affects you emotionally. And then I saw that whole thing fall out. So it's important that we that we believe right. And also, we, we speak right, we preach right, communicate right, so that the hearers, including ourselves, you know, we are also listeners. So hearers of the word. So when we hear, when we receive right, and then when we communicate it, then there is life. It produces life, right? Otherwise, it brings forth something that is damaging to people's lives and our own lives, right? Okay, so the chapter two is about, you know, we just start off with homiletics. So let's look at some of these terms there. That homily means a discourse or a conversation, right? The homo means a saying and homilose an assembly or a crowd. So which means it's a, it's a discourse or a saying to an assembly to a gathering, which is homiletics. So it's the signs of preaching, it's the art of preaching. So we know that when we look at preaching, it goes, the preparation of the message also is part of it and the delivery or the communication of the message. Okay, so we can say homiletics is the art of homily or art of delivering a discourse or a message to the congregation. Okay, now it was Saint Augustine of the early church who introduced these terms like homilia and sermo, okay, into the Latin language. And then these words having been translated and used. So we call them preaching and sermon and so on. Okay, so they're derived from that. So when we, when we look at homiletics, I think we need to, we need to look, understand some basics of communication. Okay, because we are, you know, what is communication? Okay, what is your understanding of communication? To convey, okay, it involves two people. So it's a conversation, conversation, okay, expressing our, expressing our thoughts and views. So conveying, expressing and there are explaining something. Okay, okay. Okay, there's one like definition, let me just put that up. Okay, so the imparting or exchange of information. So there is a two way, right? So it's not, it's a one way thing, but communication is actually two ways, which means there is something that when I'm conveying, I'm also receiving and I'm again conveying that. So it's exchange of information either by speaking or by writing or any other means. Okay, generally communication is that. So, so which means that communication need not be verbal, need not always be words being spoken. You know, sometimes we understand, wow, we say, you know, this person is just speaking, speaking, speaking all the time. And so must be a wonderful communicator, not necessarily, right? So it is, it is also both ways. Is the person on the other side, are they, first of all, hearing? Okay, hearing correctly, are they receiving it? So that goes into communication. We need to understand that, you know, if like, for example, I heard about this, this particular thing, there, you know, there was a street preaching, there's two pastors who would go fix up a mic and everything in a street corner, and they would have this preaching. And they would just, every, every time, you know, they, at this particular time, every day, sorry, or every alternate day, a particular time, they'll set up and they will, you know, they will preach those days. So they will just, maybe 10 or 15 minutes, they will preach, keep preaching. And it was a busy corner, and people be walking up and down, and, you know, it's probably they're whatever, you know, halfway, they're looking at their business and whatever. So it's a busy place, and people are doing that. So one person went and asked, you know, so I know you're, you know, you're preaching sincerely, et cetera, but nobody seems to be listening, you know, they're all busy, their work, and they are going. So I believe this person said, you know, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter whether they are listening or not. We are doing our duty. We need to preach the gospel. So we are preaching it. And you need to preach the gospel. It doesn't matter who's listening. It doesn't matter. And we are obeying the word of the Lord. We are obeying the instruction. We need to preach. So what do you think? Is that right or wrong? Half right. Yeah, they see the instruction is correct. Like in the sense of the command that we need to preach the gospel. But are we preaching the gospel to into vacuum or into, you know, saying that, okay, those, I'm just putting the seeds. I'm just gonna keep putting the seeds wherever. I know it's falling on concrete, but never mind, you know, God will do his work. So it's half right in the sense, like you said, friends, like, we need to communicate. That's true. But we also need to take care how to communicate and whom we are communicating to. Like the other day, I was in the railway station. So I don't know which group, you know, it was obviously some church group. So they came with the loud, you know, one of these speakers kind of thing and they were just walking. So there was one person who was speaking and then other people were there, you know, standing next to him and all that. So you just went ahead and, you know, just saying, my son repent is looking at repent of your ways. And then he just kept going. And the thing is, it wasn't even loud. Like it wasn't even loud enough to disturb or to get attention. I had to listen. What is he saying? And he's saying, you know, all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. But and then he went on and on and on and just going on. So I got me thinking, you know, he's he's sincere. And he's doing something which I have not done, you know, like on the streets just preaching loudly, which is commendable and good. But is it being received? You know, is it being received? So maybe, you know, we're looking at, you know, when we look at history, when we look at biblical times, there's a time when people would gather around in, you know, even villages in the, in a common area, town squares, or, you know, maybe in front of the temples, under the trees, they'd gather evening just to talk, exchange information and everything. And it makes sense to address that gathering, you know. But here, you know, this was happening. I'm not saying that God will not use that. God will. But we need to think, you know, the way we communicate, is it reaching? Is it being received? Is it being effective? Because it's part of your life. You know, you're using your time, your effort, your resources, in order to convey, like you have a question, Sean. Yeah. So what I want to say is that even when you have like pastor speaking in churches and all that, but even that also is very rare that people actually listen to what the pastor is saying, you know, like it may go into one year and go the other year. Absolutely. So yeah, so all the more why we need to take care, you know, and convey what we need to, with every, with all efforts. And so ultimately, we know that we're going to look at it, look at it a little later. But ultimately, we know that even as we are speaking, even as we are conveying, the Holy Spirit is having a parallel conversation with the listener. Okay. And that is why, you know, sometimes you preach something and then the person, he just comes out saying, oh, this really touched me. And you didn't even emphasize it, that you, the whole message was on a different topic. But then this person says, you know, I was really touched, I was really blessed. And then they, and then you're wondering, no, I didn't really dwell too much on it, because the Holy Spirit is speaking. So thank God for that. Okay. Okay. So communication. So when we look at communication, let's just go through some basics of communication. So we understood that communication, it involves a person who is speaking or sending or conveying a message. And it involves a person or a group of people who are receiving the message. And it also involves whom we call as the audience or, you know, we could say congregation or church, in our context of ministry. But we also have what is called medium of communication. Like today, if I'm communicating here, it's through speech, you know, I'm speaking. But it's also, you know, here in person, yes, it is just speech. But then those who are connected online, it's through the digital media, right, they're connected online. So we see that there is a medium of communication. So it could be written, it could be digital, it could be visual like a video. So there is a, there is a medium, what we call as a medium, like, and there are, you know, like mass medium or mass media. And there is also, you know, a personal medium, right? What do we call as, what do we mean by mass media? Mass media would be, for example, newspaper, right? Or when we use television, it reaches the masses, right? So that is called mass media. And personal would be, you know, when we send a text or when we, which can be mass also, but then it's more personal, right? It's one to one, okay? Right, so we have that. Secondly, when we look at communication, the process begins in the heart or mind of the speaker. Okay, so it's interesting that the message, it starts, it originates in the mind of the person. Okay, so I want to communicate something, I'm thinking of some ideas, and I want to share it. And then I begin to share it. So it starts, so in the context of ministry, you can say it starts in the heart and mind of the person, where God puts that message, or God prompts that message, or he gives, you know, weightage, you know, this is something that I want you to share, or this is something I want you to communicate, right? So God puts that in our heart. So it begins here, you know, and it can be influenced in, you know, or inspired in many ways, like when we read the word, when we sow the word to our hearts, and the Holy Spirit highlights that word, or, you know, gives an emphasis, weightage, or by his presence to our hearts, okay? So we see that. Okay, then the third thing, different means are used by the sender. Okay, so that is, again, what we saw, again, it can be written. It can be something that is verbal. It can be something that is digital. It can be something that is non-verbal as well. What do we mean by that? Non-verbal. Words, without words, yeah. No, but that is also, it's a medium, but it's print, and it involves, yeah, you're right, non-verbal, which means it doesn't involve speech, you're right, yeah, okay. Yeah, so actions, gestures, right, expressions, maybe if it's something that is acted out, something that is mined, all these are methods of communication, right? And even as the person, maybe as a speaker, you are reaching something or communicating something, you are also receiving communication, you're receiving feedback, which could be verbal, where people could be saying, hey man, hallelujah, which means they are with it, or they are, you know, looking at you and you know that, no, yeah, they're not with it, maybe something is going on in their minds, you know, or the expression, okay. So you look at the faces, then you know that they are okay, maybe, or they could be far away and still be looking at you, right. So expressions, so you're also receiving, so when we said communication is two ways, one way could be speech, which is conveyed, but the other way could be a non-verbal cue that you're getting, whether people are receiving or not, okay. I have had some very fun experiences in which like preaching and people are, you know, sleeping, okay, doping. And then the funny thing is after that, they come and shake hands and say, thank you for the message. So something has gone in apparently, or I don't know, God has spoken, even when the eyes were closed. So the thing is that we are receiving, right, okay. And so that's also important. Yeah, but anyway, when we look at some of the practical things, we look at, you know, how sometimes we need to go on, even when the, the thing that we are getting, the signals that we're getting could be maybe people are not with it, maybe people are against it, you need to actually, you know, keep going, you know, and not be distracted. So yeah, okay, certain, there are several barriers to communication, that's the fourth thing, right. There are several barriers. What is it? Yeah, let's look at some, maybe from your exam, your experience, certain barriers to communicating well. Yeah, language is a big thing, right, because if you don't have the right language, or if you don't know the language, or if you're speaking the wrong language, then there is obviously miscommunication, right. I remember down at STBC, one afternoon, so we had this, I just asked three of the students to come and we acted out something during the Holy Spirit class. So they did that and then they went, sorry, not that one. It was another, yeah, it was during the prophetic, it was during the gifts of the Spirit. So I asked one person, one boy to come and then asked everybody to just prophesy, declare over them, over him. And then so he could write and give him those notes and then some of it was very, very, very accurate and very surprising that people could just speak over him. And so after they finished, I said, okay, please give me a big hand. Okay, but the translator who was there said, stretch out your hands. So I'm waiting for the applause and everybody suddenly put their hands out like that. I can hear one or two people like that going, and then everybody else is, then I realized, oh, there's been a major miscommunication. So the thing is the language is very important. So language can be a barrier, language can actually help you communicate well. So language, okay. And also, you might know the language, but if you're not conveying it well, if you're not conveying the ideas, like for example, if you're using big words, complicated words, and which the audience is struggling to understand, okay, you're using words which you know, but they don't really necessarily know, then it becomes a problem. Or if I'm speaking too fast, if I'm speaking too slow, if I'm speaking too loud, and the people are like, ears are hurting or all these things, right, it affects the, it becomes a barrier. Okay, so I think that's the next one, right, level of volume. If there is noise, lack of light, poor preparation on the part of the speaker, poor delivery, lack of proper arrangement of material, etc. When we say lack of arrangement of material, if it's normally when it's logical, and normally when it's in the way in which people we understand in terms of points, maybe it's easy for us to retain it, right, remember it, if you use an acronym, you know, for example, what is an acronym? It's a short form, every letter conveys something. So, for example, we use the letter love. Okay, so every word in that letter maybe conveys something, you know, love, or you know, I don't know, just for example, what, FYI for your information, yeah, no, I'm just saying, like in the message, if you use the word love, I'm going to share about love, and then each word leads to something, you know, lead, and O stands for overflow, V stands for something. So it's easy to understand. Every time you hear that word, you know, this is the, these are the four points of the message. Yeah, yeah, Sean. But if you use a story format, people can understand much better and easier. Correct, correct, story form also, because people remember the story, and also the what you try to convey the, yeah, yeah, that's true. And sometimes what happens is people remember the story, enjoy the story, and forget the point that also happens, like personal experience, I remember the jokes one person said, but I forget what point was he trying to take, you know, make, yeah, that's also there. But yeah, but if it's conveyed well, emphasized well, yes, stories also, yeah. Absolutely, yes, so we, you know, it's a thing. We remember, yeah, so story is a very powerful way of conveying things, so proper arrangement of material. So all this is true, these are practical things when it comes to conveying a communication, right? Now, I just wanted to say that, you know, God can work despite all this. Okay, God can work. God can speak through people who hardly speak anything, right? They might be, because it's just the anointing of the Holy Spirit. They just come and say something, and, you know, they'll be just going around one story and going, but God is working, you know, people are, people are being touched, people are, you know, touched very deeply, etc. All that can happen, okay? But it is good to consider this, saying that, okay, as far as possible, how can I not be a barrier to communicate well, right? So these are things I know. So if I remove these things, if I take note of these things, then we can actually communicate well, right? So that's why we are looking at these things, right? You're not saying that only if we do this that, you know, people will, people's lives will be transformed. No, it's obviously the power of God, but when we do this, there's so much clarity in receiving, right? Okay. Yeah, the next thing that we see is human perception, okay? So what is, what do we mean by that? You know, how we perceive something, what is being conveyed, maybe the language is right, the grammar is right, the idea what you've said, you know, it's all clear, but the way it is perceived, the way I receive it, I understand it could be very, very different from how the other person, you know, perceives it, okay? That could be because of my experience, right? Good, bad, ugly through life, my whatever, you know, my experience in life, my season of life, whatever, the way I perceive it could be very, very different, okay? So it's a very subjective thing, which means that it depends on person to person. So it's the good thing, but it's also something that we need to understand that, yes, you know, even though perfectly you convey the perception, the way they perceive it could be, you know, different, right? Okay. So which means the message received, the way it's received need not be the same as the one who, as the way you convey it, right? Okay. So effective communicators are always mindful of the response of the listeners, the response of the congregation to their message. So they're always, if one is an effective communicator, they can read the congregation and see what is happening and accordingly make changes, okay? In order to be better communicators, in order to, you know, clear, so suppose you're conveying something, you're conveying a particular message and you see that people are not really understanding it, okay? So which means it's not really going well, they're not receiving it. So it's, it could be time to then explain it a little further, all right, maybe with an illustration, maybe with an example, to explain it further so that they receive it, maybe asking them to, maybe even asking a question, you know, to respond, do you understand, you know, is it clear, etc., right? And I think the best way to practice our communication is to teach children, children, kids, right? Because for our children, it needs to be very clear, right? And you need to say it in a way that gets the attention, their attention span is very, very less, right? They will not, you know, just because you are speaking, they will not sit and listen, no, they will not. They will be playful, they'll be, you know, so it's very, very, it's a good practice. It's a gift, again, you know, to minister to children, but it's a great practice. And if you're thinking, okay, how can I convey this to a child, right? How can I convey, okay, let's say a thing like maybe baptism of the Holy Spirit to a child, right? How can I convey it or gifts of the Spirit? How can I convey it to a child? That's a great practice because you'll be very, very clear when you're conveying to any audience. It'll be so clear, right? Simple and clear. Okay, so effective communication involves how are the people responding? Are they listening? Are they receiving it to read that? So how will you know that? How will you know whether people are receiving or not? By the expressions, that's the most, what, the visible thing, right? If they're disconnected, you know that they're looking at you, but they're miles away, right? So, you know, yeah, so that is the thing. And if they are agreeing with what you're saying, okay, sometimes I can listen, but I may not agree because of the content also, right? Because of what you're saying, I need not say yes, right? I need not agree, right? So, so that's those are things that we understand. And then you can also get a sense in your spirit that if this is something that is not going well, you know, suddenly you sense in your spirit, there is a resistance, right? It's, while the expression, everything might be very polite, but you sense in your spirit, there is some kind of resistance. It's not being received well, right? And those are times when you need to press through and explain and yeah, okay, right. So, so effective committee, so which means that you are actually sensitive to, to the audience, you're sensitive, you're always listening. You're not just speaking, but you're also a good listener receiving, you know, what is happening around us, right? Okay. Okay, let's look at one more. I'm sorry. Yeah. Okay, the more we know about people's life orientations, the more accurate are predictions and about their responses. So, so what does that mean? Okay, the more we understand people's life orientations. Okay, which means that you understand who you are speaking to. Okay. So your congregation could be educated, not educated. Your congregation could be a certain age group, and which could be, you know, maybe senior citizens, right, elderly. Congregation could be children, could be youth, right, could be different. So it's good to understand who you are speaking to. Maybe you get invited to speak in a certain place, and it's good to understand who you are ministering to, who you are speaking to, who you're going to be addressing. Okay. So if it is the same message, you could actually convey it in different ways. If it is the youth, if it is the senior, you know, folks, if it is maybe working professionals, right, you could convey, and it becomes very complex when it's a mix of everyone in the crowd, right, it's a mix of everyone. Okay, for example, if, okay, so let's say you want to convey a certain message, maybe it's about, let's say for example, okay, sharing the gospel, okay, so you are, you're going to talk about sharing the gospel, and let's say it is for the children, okay, so how will you address the children, okay, in a way, okay. So you're talking about evangelism, right, okay, okay, so in what way will it be, will it be different, for example, okay, just let's say we're all children here, and uncle Anand is addressing, and you're talking about evangelism, the need for evangelism, okay, so how do you, what would you, okay, so you, yeah, okay, maybe you can give him the mic, okay, so yeah, so how would you actually explain it, no, without explaining it to us, you just say how would you talk, yeah, yeah, just give us a demonstration of, let's say we're all CC, and we're doing various things, we're just looking outside the windows, so how would you, like, first what I do is, I'll explain what I'm telling you, okay, so explain it, so if I'm speaking about Jesus, if I'm speaking about Jesus, I'll take one subject, just to drag them to me, like, to my words, to just make it interesting to them, in an interesting way, like, see, if you don't have a friend, like Jesus will be your friend, Jesus will be your best friend, if you're a friend, if you do anything, maybe if your friend rejects you, but Jesus won't reject you, Jesus will do it. Hey, the topic is evangelism, okay. Okay, let's ask Prince to try. Maybe we will use some stories, okay, yeah, Bible stories, like, I think we should, like, most effective way to communicate with children is stories, so maybe if I was there, I'll maybe use the story of the rich man in the lepo, and tell after you die if you want to be happy, you should follow God and, like, maybe give examples of how life will be effective, knowing Jesus. It's the importance of knowing Jesus and the need to share about Jesus, so that is evangelism, right, so anyone else wants to try? Francis, who helps in children's church? Rinsan, you help, right? Yeah, Rinsan, you help, okay, okay, okay, online students also, right, okay, yeah, Sean wants to say, okay. So, I may start off with, like, as Prince says, some Bible stories, maybe I'll start off with stories about, like, Elijah, like, how he went to minister, how he did, like, miracles like that, or maybe I can go for Peter about how, when he was in prison, and he was trapped, he met this man, I mean, this guard, and how he communicated with and how he ministered to his family, and how he helped, so maybe stories like that will let them understand evangelism better. Some stories to start off, okay, but the topic is evangelism, okay, so just, okay, so maybe, how about this idea, maybe you ask them, right, how many of you like ice cream, or how many of you like chocolates, and they say, okay, suppose I, you know, I give you an, okay, I see some of this thing, yeah, so I'll come back to that, Jack Innes shared something, okay, so yeah, so we say, okay, I like ice cream, you suppose you had ice cream, and you know where to get this wonderful ice cream, which they are, you know, which they are giving, you know, they have this free offer, you don't have to pay anything, you know, it's there, you know this place, great place, and you had, you enjoyed, right, and you have a friend who's never tasted ice cream before, right, so would you, do you want to take your friend there and show, this is where I got this ice cream, won't you do that, right, this is where I got this ice cream, fantastic flavor, and it's free, and it's available, you know, at this particular time, on this day, and it's free, would you do that or not do that, and I think most kids will say, yeah, you'll do that, okay, so that is what, I mean, you have to tie it somewhere, you know, I'm not a great, this thing when it comes to talking to children, but then you tie it somewhere and then bring it, yeah, I see Jack Innes comment, show pictures and ask them, what is this wonderful, so yeah, start with the question, children like to see something visual, I saw them color charts, black, chart sin and wrongdoings, the red for children's blood, I'm sorry, Jesus blood, white chart, wonderful, yeah, so something visual, okay, so let's say, okay, now we're just shifting the audience, right, we've done teaching with children, now it's a group of working professionals, okay, it's a group of working professionals, Christian working professionals whom you're addressing, so yeah, so now you're going to talk to them about need for randomism, so obviously we're not going to use charts, I mean, you can use PowerPoints or whatever, but Jack Innes, you know, this chart of color we will not use, maybe you won't say, you know, how many of you like ice cream, it's going to be, you know, we're going to think it's very, very childish, so what will that approach be? We are talking about working professionals, right, so now they're more complex than compared to children, they are, the way of thinking itself would be complex, so you may start off with like a certain, like you can go a bit more complicated, like I said, about like Paul, I mean, like Peter when he was in prison, I mean like stories like that can maybe get them into it, you know, yeah, if it's relevant, stories obviously will, but if the story is relevant to evangelism, and the need for evangelism, these are Christian working professions, so you need to change accordingly, wonderful, right, so testimony of people in a workplace setting and the kind of things that they went through and maybe they were ministered to or they came to know Christ in a workplace kind of setting, that would be a great place to say, okay, this is what happened in a workplace setting and so, you know, a colleague came and did this during the free time and therefore that set them on the path, you know, that changed the destiny forever, so that can inspire, motivate them to share the gospel with the colleagues, right, heavy and heavy laden, yeah, and I will give you that, so the kind of pressures, the work pressures, everything that people go through and also, you know, working professions, um, most people are ambitious, right, ambitious, they want to, they want to do well, excel in life, be successful, be promoted, you know, get on to the next big thing, next big responsibility, next big pay rise which comes with that and so, and so talk about, you know, what have you thought about, you know, where it's leading to, it's all good, but if it doesn't involve Christ, you know, it's, it's going to be leaning against the wrong wall, right, so people are, what, sorry, what kind of wine, yeah, if you're not part of what we are pursuing, you know, then it becomes a, at the end of the day, it becomes a waste, you know, everything is temporal, right, nothing is of eternal value, but with the Lord, then everything makes sense, even the temporal things can be used for eternal purposes, yeah, so Jack is saying, yeah, sharing a personal testimony, yes, so you see that's a, there's a drastic change in the way you ministered because you knew the audience, okay, so there will be times when people, you know, even when you are asked to share or asked to preach, well, the nature of the audience, either the age group or their life orientation is shared well in advance, right, so we can pray, prayerfully decide how we are going to communicate that, okay, so there's nothing, it's unspiritual about it, right, knowing that, okay, this is the audience and this is their, this is their worldview, it actually helps us to be better prepared, right, like even Paul, at the, where was that when he shared about the altar, Athens, right, so he saw all these places, all these altars for, and then he saw the altar to the unknown God and then he started from there and share the gospel, in fact, he shares from their literature also, right, and then he shares the gospel, so him you do not know, him you, you know, worship without knowing, him I present to you and he shares that, so knowing the audience really helps us and, you know, when we prayerfully consider that, you know, not just technically knowing, okay, this is the age group, so therefore this is how it is, but prayerfully, you know, when we consider that, the Lord gives us insight to be effective in our communication, right, and also, you know, all are the illustrations that we use and everything also changes accordingly, I remember addressing a, you know, it's a big gathering of students, about 500 of them, and so I just thought, okay, because they are urban, they are college students, that everyone will be, you know, will be on social media, right, they must be definitely, you know, if you're a college student, so I had some illustrations about Facebook and all that, and I had some, you know, statistics on Facebook, following how many people, you know, on Facebook, etc. Then I, when I asked, I realized, I'm sure everybody must be on Facebook, so can you just see your hand, some one or two hands went up, you know, so I knew that, okay, the rest of the illustration will not going to make sense, that they are not on Facebook, and it's a, it's a big gathering, it's about almost, yeah, 500, I would say, so I was very, very surprised. First year, first, no, I think first second year students, No, no, surprisingly, no, I, so I was very surprised, yeah, yeah, I see, I'm talking about pre-COVID days, of course, but then, even then, yeah, yeah, it is, yeah, I was late to Facebook, so I was on Facebook, but then, you know, so I was very, very surprised, yeah, that people were not on Facebook, and so forgive, they're not on Facebook, you know, so yeah, so the point is that, yeah, so I really didn't know, you know, much about the audience, so I had to kind of change whatever illustration or, you know, all those statistics didn't make sense, you know, so that is what I just wanted to say, because if I had a thing, I think it was about friendship, so the whole illustration was about how you can be a friend on Facebook, right, you can be friends on Facebook and still not be, truly know the person, just because you're a friend, you know, somebody follows you as a friend, doesn't mean that they are actually your friend, right, so that was the point I'm going to make, but here, how do I, you know, convey, you know, sending a friend request, accepting friend request, because people are not on Facebook, right, so the whole thing didn't really make sense, didn't take off well, yeah, so yeah, and the same with, you know, about cricket, if you have something on cricket or football and you've prepared something and, you know, this is what happened in the match, and people are saying, you know, we don't play cricket, you don't know, you don't know the game, what is bowling, what is batting, then, you know, you're totally lost there, right, so yeah, so okay, just one more thing is about verbal as well as non-verbal cues, I think what we looked at, so words, people speak words and give you back the feedback, but also non-verbal is as important or even more important than verbal cues that you're getting in communication, because non-verbal is just out of a response, okay, in the sense, you can't hide it, right, if you're bored, you can't hide it, you can mask it for some time, but it'll just show, right, or if you're disinterested, it'll just show, so non-verbal cues are very important and they actually convey the extent to which your effectiveness of your communication, right, yeah, sure. The message may be good, but if your facial expression is something like that of anger or you're sad, then the people won't represent, like you're speaking, I see you're smiling, but if you're sad or angry or something that I may not be able to receive because of your expression. Yeah, that's also true, when your non-verbal cue is totally different from the message that you're conveying, totally disconnected, it's very difficult to speak like that, actually, you know, if you, for example, if I ask you to speak something, say something, with your hands tied, no expression, it's very difficult, you know, we, as Indians, especially, we nod our heads, something we have to do, right, so it's very, very difficult, but if that happens, then it actually, there's a disconnect between the message and your expression, so it's a mixed signal that goes out, right, okay, so we'll stop here and we'll continue next class. Thank you so much. Online students will catch up tomorrow. Bye-bye.