 A lot of feedback, a lot of reverberation. We're not on yet, Al. We are on, but we're not on the screen, are we? Here we go. Lou out there in television land. I'll wheel my co-host today. I'm Herb Blumenthal, and today we're giving Lauren Glenn a little break from her daily tasks of interviewing people, the Republican, Democratic, socialist mixture of candidates and advocates, and now we're also, we want to say hello to Nat, but on that, know your place over there behind the camera, and we'll take care of the gaffing over here. Al, you jump in anytime you want, but let me give you a little introduction to what we intend to do for the next 25 minutes or so. And that's to play a little local trivia, little nostalgia about places, people and things in the Burlington area. And the reason I think this is an important concept is that, you know, the Flatlanders have really taken over this community in the last 10 or 15 years, and whereas we used to be able to walk up and down Church Street, opthal horn, talk to people, no longer. I mean, we're outnumbered, and we think it's about time that those that are watching this program, hey, you! He flipped a dial? They're flipping dials over here. Come on in, stay right there, join us. We're talking about Burlington Trivia. You know how they flip those dials. Yeah. Our number here is 8-6-2-3-9-6-6. What we'd like you to do, throw us a question, or Al, we've produced a number of very good questions to throw out to these people also. How can there be a question already or something? We haven't even introduced a format of that program. Is that for us already? Hello, you're on here. Fine, and we're going to look into the camera as if we can see you. I have a trivia question for you. Shoot. Name of a traveling grocery store and the gentleman that used to drive around and sell groceries out of his truck. Thank you very much for the question. It wasn't a planted question. Alan, do you want to take a shot at it? I honestly can remember stealing tomatoes off one side when we were buying an apple for a nickel off the other side. I know. It was Eno's store at your door. Mr. Eno ran that baby, and he was able to pull down the flaps on both sides of it and had a scale that would swing around there. He'd put on the vegetables and he'd stop right at your door. He had a neighborhood-by-neighborhood approach to delivery of groceries. I'm going to hand you that one, Herb, because I know you remember when you used to do it with a horse. Yeah, well, thanks a lot. Makeup! This fella's forehead is glossing and glowing up here. The lights are getting to it. I'm talking, Alan. I just... Nat knows what I'm about to do. I can't stand this backdrop. Give me a question, Alan. I've got to keep score. That's one, Herb, for you. And I don't give you three. You've got one left. I'll give him a question that you have that... We want to try to stump them with. Throw out a question at him. Well, I was thinking about this today, and we were talking about the different barbershops on North Street. Who's a we? I never mentioned a barbershop. I wasn't talking to you either. I was mentioning it to somebody else. Herb lived on the south side of North Street. The barbershops on North Street, and one that my father went to for, it seemed like 100 years, and it was on the corner... Well, it wasn't on the corner. It was facing Pickin Street. We lived on the corner of Pickin Street and made that drive. My mother's still there, by the way. And a gentleman ran that barbershop. You tell me who it was. I hope you're addressing the audience here. I don't know. I was trying to get back at you, but at the audience, no. It said where the third alarm was, across from Handy's Bar, or whatever that was called. I remember the shop. I never frequented that place. Tell you the truth. I grew up in the era of Dan Allen on Lower Pearl Street. Of course, Andy's Barbershop from North Street. And of course, our all-time favorite, Mr. Barrows, who had that shop upstairs in a big triad on Cherry Street. We always hit the biggies, you know? Yeah, but again, that was your south side of North Street. And it showed. Boy, my head really suffered as a result of it. How about anybody else that could perhaps help us out and name that barbershop or any other specific locales that are long gone to memory? I've got a couple I want to throw out. Names of local watering holes on North Street. North Street has been famous and infamous in a number of places where you could stop for a libation and also for a drink. And I can think of one that is was where the laundromat currently is. Opposite to Cozy Nook, there's a laundromat. And Paul Liberty had a place there with a very unusual name. Do you remember the particular place that was like an alliteration, the title? Was there for about five years in the mid to late 70s? Yeah, you don't remember. I'll throw this one out. It was called the Purple Pickle. Yes, it was. There was another one up the street on the other side. It used to be Eddies, I think. Then it became, I think it became the Ginger Man. And the question is that they had a fire in the place when it had changed names once again. I want to know the name of that bar after it was the Ginger Man. Call us at 8-6-2-3-9-6-6. Jump into the fray. If you get our question answered correctly and can stump us, or even if you can't, we got a couple of generic hats we want to give away. So give us a shout and join in this nostalgia get together. How about places on Church Street? I want to get to some places there. That's really jarring the memory. Well, I was going to try to settle the discussion that Herb and I had very gentlemanly discussion I might add about a place that is right across the street from where we're sitting right this moment. Herb seems to have a directional problem with where Elsie's store was, the second store, actually. We discussed and agreed upon that just to the south of us, actually about 100 feet from here is where Elsie had her first store and then joined which would be this store right across here, which is Jim's Market, I believe, now. Right. I know that one. And I agree with you, Al. You agree with me now, Herb. That's the story yesterday. You know why I was frequenting the current location of the Moose Club because the Moose Club was formerly... How about this neon place? Wait a minute. Who asked you to jump in? My Germaners, know your place. We're the hosts tonight. I want to know what was where the Moose Club currently is. For years and years, that's why I was in this neighborhood. It was my Hebrew school. I went to Hebrew school right over here. Four to six, after a regular school, I had additional schooling while you were out playing ball. That's before my time here, actually. My father used to tell me about that. But we used to go over to the various stores during the short recess. I do remember when Elsie's was over here, but I know... You're pointing in the wrong place again. Well, over here, back of us. But what was in this here? Robert's Aluminum was there for years, but I don't have the slightest idea what was in there before. I don't know where you tried to tell me where Elsie's was before. I have no idea what was in there before. I don't know. This building here is called the Flatiron Building, right? That was the site of Kaladni's store. Yes. That was Kaladni's store for years and years. It was run by Alec Kaladni's father. So the Kaladni's had been in the food business for a long time in this community. Now we've thoroughly confused everybody. Please join us. In 2006, we're talking locales of former markets, barber shops, things like that. On Church Street, I want to know you, as an ex-fireman, told me that you were at the last big fire on Church Street where it was called at that time. Centers. My question is, give me the two names of that location before it was centers. It was two specific drugstores by two different names. I remember Montgomery Ward's being in there. No, Montgomery Ward's was next door. Very close to it. I guess I don't remember it. Not that well. How about the quarter drugstore? Whoops, we got a call. Hello, you're on the air. How are you doing? Great show there tonight. Bill, my friend Bill, we need some help. Well, centers was obviously last first, right? That's right. But what were the ones before it was called centers? Fishmen's is correct. But there was one in between Fishmen's and Centers. It was there for Jupiter. Jupiter is very good. But there was another one too, darn it. I'm pretty sure. Let me ask Bill. I haven't gone for so long. I know. I got the two. Where's the prize? You got it, my friend. No, he doesn't get it. He played baseball, had the largest hat size in the history of BHS baseball. So I don't think you can wear this one. I don't want it to hurt that much. I'll come back tomorrow. But I think the store there also was called the Wonder Store. Bill, thanks again for calling. I appreciate it. Okay, Herb, keep it up. Thanks. I think it was called the Wonder Jupiter. First thing you do to do your research now, what else can we throw at him? I'm going to turn the old north end here. Riverside Avenue contained a manufacturing plant, a soda factory. Burlington's and Chittenden County's only made soda right here in this county. Well, that was a brand that they carried. I think Squirt may have been a regional beverage. But this company handled Squirt but also had the best birch beer, never creamed soda. They also distributed vichy water in the quart containers with a Squirt thing, three Stooges days, but what was the name of that beverage company? You're asking me again. Well, you or indirectly our viewers at 8-6-2-3-9-6-6 is going to be a long half hour. Jump right in for us. We used to buy this stuff, however, at Mrs. My Favorite Store and growing up was Mrs. Frank's Market. I don't know if it was Frank's Market or Frank's Creamery. Again, we're rolling now. Hello, you're on the air. Hi, guy. Champlain beverage. Champlain beverage, absolutely correct. Please, give us a question now and stump the chumps. Oh, my God, I just happen to turn you on and I caught that right away. Those are old friends of mine from years back on Riverside Avenue. All right, now that we have you, you can get a soda right near that location. Do you have a loaf of bread? Brown store. Which one is on the court? I'm talking about the Bakery. Rubens Bakery, absolutely right. And I think in the free press it indicated that the first bagels were at the Bagel Bakery or something, but hey, Rubens had bagels a long time ago. They made some beautiful stuff in that place over there. Yes, sir. Hey, thanks for calling. Call us again, give us a question, all right? If I can, if I leave a good one, I'll call you back. Beautiful. Thanks for joining us. Okay, sir. Bye-bye. 8-6-2-3-9-6-6 See, it's easy, it's non-threatening. Non-threatening. Here's one, the location of Ben & Jerry's. Everybody says, oh, Ben & Jerry's, this is a spot, you know, right at that corner of what is that, college and St. Paul, all right? Yeah. What was there originally before Ben & Jerry's? Before Ben & Jerry's, I want to know what was at that location? At what corner now? St. Paul and College Street. I'll tell you one thing, way back, it was a gas station. They always say, oh, Ben & Jerry's was at a gas station site. I want to know, hey, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, I missed one. I'm right in the middle of a good trivia question. This one is, what was at the location after it was a gas station and before it was Ben & Jerry's? After the gas station, before Ben & Jerry's, it was an all-night spot. It was called. I'm going to hold that out there. Somebody's been there. There's a lot of people out there. A lot of people have indigestion to prove it, too. Another little leading establishment for the late night goers on Cherry Street next to Victory Auto Store. What was the name of that? Stonehouse. Stonehouse, you son of a gun. I don't need a hat. Stonehouse, you remember that? There was probably the smallest eatery in North America located on Pearl Street. Okay, listen, hear me out. I mean, when you went in there and closed the door, the doorknob got on a seat with you. That place was small. I wouldn't say it was small, but the mice were hunchbacked. What was the name of that little eatery almost across from Isle's Market right around in that vicinity, like Kitty Corner from there? You don't think I know that, do you? I know you do because you've been in a lot of bad eateries. I never missed a one, yeah. That was near the immortal Fat Ernie's Barber Shop. That's correct. Between there and the... Maybe somebody knows here. Don't give it out yet. Hello, you're on the air. I think that was the doghouse, wasn't it? The doghouse is correct. Didn't they used to have a board and they had the initials on there with a long saying and you were supposed to win something with you? The initials meant if you can tell me what the sign reads, I'll buy you the... Will you ban me a hot dog? That was a whole string of... My friend, you got that question correct. You're an old Burlingtonian and we like to have you aboard. How about throwing one in our way? How about another late night eatery outside of Burlington, right at that intersection where you're turning left on White Street to go to the airport? There was another eatery out there. Well, you are old. He really is. I had it for a minute. Now I forget it was run... The Grinder House is what it was called. The Grinder House. I knew it would come back to me along with my indigestion. Any other questions you can throw our way, sir? We really would appreciate it. Thanks a lot. 8-6-2-3-9-6-6. I'm going to take your herb down the street here. And again, I was talking to the mayor of Winiski Avenue. I know he is. Uncle Leon. Uncle Leon. And Paulita, too. Paulita knows her places. Especially Beagle House. She had to fill in a few of the spots here. But right behind us here, which actually... Well, there's one of the other terrific questions. Leon owns the house down here. And as a small child, there was a fire that where Leon is living right now. And there was a merchant that lived there when the fire started. And that house actually is the house, the last house before this last dramatic fire. That was the house that was saved. There was a fire in there, and it was a business in there. I know Mr. Stone had a store, a grocery store. Hello. Hi there. You're on the air with us. This is Bob. I live in South Burlington. Okay, Bob. You're talking about eateries, popular eateries that I used to frequent back in the early days. The corner of North Street and Park Street. North and Park. North and Park. Let's get some eateries. Del's Pizza. Del's Pizza. You got it. Beautiful. Thanks for calling. I've got another pizza place right up the street here, too. And it had a whole large pizza, 50 cents. And this was a little Italian fellow. Do you remember the name of that? Pizza Shop. Right up the street. It was there for about, I don't know, three years. It was called Pascuali's. Pascuali's Pizza Shop. Gorgeous place. Beauty. Hello, you're on the air. Hey, you're supposed to be behind the camera, not on the phone annoying us. 8-6-2-3-9-6-6. He's getting on my nerves. Hello? Are you going to be on the air with us? I just wanted... No, she's talking on another line. You were asking... What's the story with the fire? There was a business over there when I was a young sprout and there was a fire. The night I was there, we lived upstairs. Downstairs there was a business town, and it was burnt out. Don't know. The Burlington Brush Shop. See, that gets me. That's your familiarity with this particular neighborhood. Two buildings up from that, this way. There's another store still there. They make cake toppings. They even had a grocery store. That's where Mr. Mincer had a store. Mr. Mincer, I thought they... Mr. Brother of the Mincers that was on... Pitkin Street. Thank you very much. Thank you. Beautiful question. You flowed well on that one. Thank you, sir. How about going back into the early 50s? Now, these people can't believe this. I'm sure they can't. I'm talking about being able to purchase a new vehicle, new or used vehicle, but you wouldn't have to go out to Shelburne Road, nor Williston Road, nor to Essex, or Williston, or St. Albans. You could purchase a new car in the confines of downtown Burlington. And I'm going to throw these out at you. Or you. You can call us at 8-6-2-3-9-6-6. So I'm going to ask you, where would you buy this brand of car? And I've got a few of them. Where could you purchase a Ford in downtown Burlington? What was the name of this distributor? Ford, we've got... How about a Dodge? I'm talking downtown Burlington. Area, Greater Burlington Area. A Buick. Or a Chrysler. Or a Lincoln Mercury. You got to call in Line 2. Line 2. You broke up the monotony. Hello, you're on the air. Yeah, it was on Worsky Avenue. What could you buy there? What brand? Pontiac. Pontiac, absolutely correct. Well, I have you, sir. Let's start from the top. How about a Ford? Where will you go for a Ford? North, not North, so... That's right. What was it called? A Tri-Stake. Let me give you a hint. There was also a used car lot by the same name up and upper Main Street in Winooski. Remember, he was a... No? He had used car... I saw him sponsor the Dusty Boyd show once he said... For all you people there, I want to go up there and steal them apples. I've got a nice pickup truck for you. I haven't been used in 10 years. I've never seen these used cars. Well, this was called C.P. Smith. C.P. Smith, right. How about your Dodge dealer? Located at the beginning of North Avenue. Why? Sir, can you turn your sound down on the TV? Please turn your sound down. And then we won't get any feedback. That's it. That's better. How about a Buick? Wasn't there also a Main Street McGreevy Buick? Yeah, that was before Lake... Yeah? How about the Plymouth at Brewer Brothers? Brewer Brothers is on... We're Acme Glass. That's right, right? We're Acme Glasses. Here's going way back. I don't know if you'll remember this, sir. The Willys car, which, you know, stopped production in the mid-50s. Where could you purchase a Willys car? I think this was on Battery Street for a while. Cody and Savage? Battery Street, right. Cody and Savage, so I'm telling you. There you go. Hey, we appreciate you participating with us. Who was the... There was another dealer on the corner of North Avenue and Lake View Terrace. Yeah. That was a Dodgeby CH-Goss. Brewer Brothers? No. CH-Goss. He's right. You're right, sir. Thanks for calling. That was a Plymouth dealer also, I think. We can't leave out P-Course down here on Ratchable Street either. That's right. Hello? I missed one. Darn it. I missed when we had one and I didn't know how to manipulate the machinery. No, no, it's me. 8-6-2-3-9-6-6, I'm gaffing. Hello, you're on the air. Yeah, what was the name of the bakery on Rose Street? Rose Street Bakery. Is that where you could get... Nabisco. Yes. She's got it. Nabisco Bakery, we gotta avoid... I'm thinking further back to that. Mystery voice, where'd that come from? I don't know, but she'd better speak when spoken to. Thank you. Thanks for calling. Let's see if it works. Hello? You're on the air. Hi. We're going back a ways. Williston Road, South Burlington. Yeah. The Subaru Place is standing. What was there before? Now, hold on, ma'am. That's going out of town for me. You're not talking about the Dilly Wagon, are you? Yes, I am. Who was the first manager of the Dilly Wagon? Little Al Richie was the first full-time manager of the Dilly Wagon and they had three sauces, right? What were they called? I don't know. I just went there for the ice cream. You did that after the Dilly dogs. That's right. Those Dilly dogs, I guess. I never would touch one. They had three brands of sauce. Hot, hotter, and holy cow. Thanks for calling, ma'am. Appreciate it. We're going to go line one. Hello? You're on the air. I got a question for you. Beautiful. What was the name of the bakery that used to be next to the old Cathedral School? I got, yeah, Madeleines. The best cream-filled donuts in the world. I know you were one of the first places that came out with around here the donut holes. Wonderful. And that's right. And we used to get day-olds there. Remember there when we're a little short? We'd go back the next day and get bags of day-old donuts. Right. We appreciate it. Thanks for giving us a call. Hello? You're on the air. Yes. I was wondering if you knew what the eatery was where O'Hower and Furniture Store was. Wow. Hold on. Sheldon Road? On Sheldon Road, World Halloran's. Hold on one second. I don't know. You stumped us, sir. What is it? It was the... Ice Cream Parlor? Was that the name of it? Or a particular name? No, I'm just thinking the name of it. Well, while I have you, you know if you're going out past St. Michael's towards Essex Junction. There's a lot of hospitals on the right hand side. What little restaurant and I always loved the name of this. It was probably late 40s, early 50s. It was the name of a restaurant. I'm looking for it. It's a French name. That's a clue for you. A restaurant right opposite the Fannie Allen Hospital. I know where you mean. It's right across the road where there's a... I think there's a laundromat or something there or a photo shop or something. I don't know what's there now. It's a quick stop. Okay. See if I'm right. I recall it being the Ceci Bon restaurant. Ceci Bon. That's where all the nurses and doctors... Excuse my pronunciation, but I think it was called that. Thanks for calling. Line one. Line one. Hello, you're on the air. What's the name of the dollar contestant next to this trunk? Theater. The Dutch treat. But my belly got many a good salami and pastrami sandwich there. Get it up, Chuck. Thanks a lot. Line two. He called us chumps too. He was talking to you earlier. Yeah, Chuck, you remember the Packard place where we were on... Yeah, but I don't remember what it was called. Line one. What was it called? I can't remember myself. I remember my father bought a Packard three years ago. Where the Palmer's funeral home is now. Card dealership too. Somebody will get it for us all, sir. Okay, thank you. Thanks for calling. Bye-bye. I think I blew it. Hello, you're on the air. Yeah, what was the name of the garage this one's for Alan? Good. What was the name of the garage across from Nail Subaru on the scavenger? The garage? There. You stopped them. You stopped them. Tell the best mechanics in town. Yeah, I hear you. I'm feeling I'm being hung out to drive by one of my old mechanics. I think so. Pack's garage. Pack's garage. Ask Alan. Who's the guy that lost more bets for the Red Sox on the Yankees? I hope you're a Yankee fan. He's asked you a direct question. I want a direct answer. Who did you lose more bets to on the Yankee fan? When you were a Yankee fan, that makes him better. I still am. You know what that is, obviously. You've got to know who it is. I've lost a lot of bets over the years. See? Cliff, thanks for calling. Thanks for calling. We've got some more, or are we all done? We all caught up. Line 2, hello, you're on the air. The department store where the Burlington Square Mall. Cherry Street. Was Woolworth's. And next door was Kresge's. Now while I have you on the line, keep going down that street. Woolworth's, Kresge's. There was a shoe store. It's still there. What's the shoe store? Kinney's. My question is, there is a little men's store right next to Kinney's. It had its window street level, but you had to go downstairs to get there. Thank you very much for calling. You're into the bad question. Well, no, it's my generation, because I went there for Husky Pants. Auditorial aid. Hello, you're on the air with us. Alright, let's talk about coffee houses. Java, go ahead. Okay, the coffee houses are Main Street and Wineski. Oh, Bill Steiner. Oh, Main Street. Coffee house nightclub. What year are you talking? The 1960s are mid-60s. Nightclub. The American restaurant was there. Ted and Gertz. You stopped us. I don't know, Winooski. You were never allowed to go in Winooski. I wouldn't want to go. It was a good place. It was called the Third Thumb. Wait a minute. The Third Thumb. Do you realize? I remember that. It was a coffee house. President Johnson made a visit here and stopped at Battery Park. There were some accusations that FBI people actually frisked people and asked IDs and everything of people coming out of the Third Thumb. Do you remember that? I don't. We used to play there. We used to have a band that used to play there. It was a pretty good place. Yeah, it was. I remember it. Do you remember the little Mexican restaurant that started up across the road from there to the Bagel Bakery? It was called something, the Green... Oh, the Green... I can't remember myself. Somebody will get to it. How about the one on Church Street in Burling? That's an easy one. In the 50s. In the early 60s. Yeah, the Fresh Ground Coffee House. Thanks a lot for calling. Are we on with somebody else? One more minute, though. Oops, what? We got another one? No. Hello, you're on the air. We've got about a minute. No? Hello, you're on the air. Yes, sir, you're on the air. I believe it was near the Rotary down where Christ the King Church is. Clodney's Hill. You could take the sewer pipe at Clodney's and end up in the lake if you weren't careful. You mean Gully Road? Clodney's Hill. Clodney's Hill, which is the road now going down to... Al, this has been fun. I'm going to invite us back again. Maybe for 10 minutes next time instead of a half hour. How much longer are we getting at? 10 seconds. My name is Herb Blumenthal, and I want to thank you for watching, and I want to thank Al Wheel for joining me this evening. Thank you. We're extending it, but we're done. That was neat. Can I go to the bathroom now? I'm not talking to another word until I go to the bathroom. Damn. You didn't give all your hats away? We got some calls? Yeah, we got a lot of calls.