 This is Will Spencer from the renaissance of men here with the new 21 report and president Anthony dream Johnson Hey, congratulations on 15 years. How does it feel? It was pretty fucking good, man. Yeah. Yeah, it's still We're just you know day after here in a Monday Still wrapping the head around it feeling a lot better physically got some good sleep and I'll be getting into now the Digestion process the chewing process of what happened and it takes days and weeks. Yeah It's a huge wind up, you know it takes like 10 to 12 months to set this up. Yeah What is the digestion process look like for you? Obviously, there's a whole bunch of coordination needed to get everyone on site You know herding all the cats so to speak and then the thing ends and it happened and it's done And then what do you do after? Well, the first thing is finish up a little stuff like this then go hang out at Socrates house and my friends and Get drunk. Yes, that's part of it eat red meat. You know burnt. Well done nuked. Yeah a lot of It's his time and getting good sleep getting a rest physically taking care of myself going for a lot of walks Really walking is probably gonna be one of the main things I'll hit the beach soon going out with Tony Bruno out on the east coast of Florida just basic stuff and just being patient and You know just chillin hanging out the big girl here and there, you know a little Diablo to just came out Just do things that are very different from like this this huge wind up of a major logistical Event. Yeah, give yourself a break. Yeah, a real break and get away from it a little bit How long does that take usually you had to guess couple weeks couple weeks? Yeah, you just shut off until then like leave me alone Yeah, exactly. Yeah, because it's like we there's always stuff to do in the company I could get right now if this is done go start playing with YouTube and newsletters and you know Ba-ba-ba-ba, but I don't need to and as much as important as that stuff is as cool as that is to me and useful This is so much more important everything we just did and I did it I won got to watch my enemies burn as well That's just pretty nice nice bonus. Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's the my year now is gonna wind down basically I mean it's it's October here end of October, so it's a few weeks in November Thanksgiving ahead December get it kind of wind the whole year down Mm-hmm, and it's a big process man Even wind down and then I'm gonna start planning to do it for next year sure so that's like I guess you could say it's part of the process to is like Setting up the actual pieces for the next year's event like I've just talking about before the interview Different ideas different changes maybe new venue and even reaching out to the venue and getting that conversation going early And that moves my head not only forward, but also helps like finish off whatever's left like what happened here Good bad and in the middle, you know new people returning alumni all the stuff There's so much to it that people don't see like you got this year. This is here You told me about this. Yeah, you saw as an attendee last year the tip of the iceberg Yeah, now you got behind the scenes as a speaker as a you know host here on the show Yeah, and there's a lot to it There's a lot going on and the higher up the food chain you go the bigger that fucking mountain gets there the iceberg gets Yeah, for sure. Yeah, that's the thing is that people, you know, we're here on YouTube people can't see what's going on behind the Scenes, you know, they can't see you know our friend back here with the camera They can't see all the camera people and all the video Equipment and all the audio equipment and all though just the data management alone of all, you know Capturing how many hours of footage each day all the you know three cameras on each speaker photography How does all get that I'll get cataloged and organized. It's a massive massive effort It's why it's taking you 15 years to build it. That's right. Yeah, it's a 15 year machine I've built, you know, it's it and it's always been evolving in and of itself and growing over time and maturing Like we've seen people just see that with the content and they love that and I get that you know The under 21 became the 21 convention for young men to all men men to fathers now for women and how we do it all together And that is that's accurate. What they're saying that it's maturing, right? The father the men to fatherhood one is an obvious one, but it's behind the scenes too, right? It's the outside of the inside it's still Steve Jobs things Steve Jobs would he would talk a lot about and his work was Based heavily on how his father taught him technically a stepfather. I think you know You don't just pay in the outside of the fancy pay at the inside Even if no one sees it. Mm-hmm. Like who cares you do it, right? You do it right period not just what people see you do it right inside and out Yeah, and that's what we do and that has benefits that are not always obvious people to still like you're saying they don't notice them Like oh, this is actually smooth nice. Mm-hmm. It's like that's actually huge And there's a huge amount of work that went into that and it makes your life better It makes your speakers life better it makes the event, you know run for so many years You know if there was all these little snags and hiccups and hang ups And the event would have fallen apart a long time ago and that's like so many events die people don't get that You know I have a lot of respect for that, you know that attitude and it really shows You know, it's it's even from an attendee even knowing some of the speakers last year I could see some of it, you know But now being on the inside being I guess backstage in the staff area talking about the staffers doing the you know That the 21 report panels etc speaking even speaking on stage There's been a real and I really mean this there's a real attention to detail from the inside out You know, that's not like a shiny surface, you know with with something different on the ends in the interior on the interior It's just as high quality and I think that makes a real difference for the speakers as well And even though the attendees might not know it they can feel it. Yeah, exactly Yeah, they don't exactly what they're feeling but they feel the positivity and the professionalism or as Jack down him It says always extremely professional. Mm-hmm. Yeah, there's there's a reason Steve Jobs did it There's a reason I do it and it's not just that Steve Jobs Steve Jobs dad told him It's because this really matters in a business, especially over a long period of time, right? That's where I think the little mistakes will get amplified into big ones Yeah, unless you smooth things out and perfect them to the best of your ability and you get that smoothness over time Yeah, same thing here well Jack talks about strength courage mastery and honor and certainly it takes all those to do something like this That's right, and I think what we're talking about is you know It's some degree of mastery and honor like it's honorable to do your business on the inside on the outside Oh, yeah, yeah, and it's a challenge to like I've said this before publicly I think maybe in a podcast of you or someone maybe I don't know maybe multiple probably But it brings out the best of them a it's a real challenge to do these it's not just you know in the past We did one at the time 21 convention now we do 21 summit We do three at a time do the show got four things filming at once photographers all these people running around and It's it's a real self-challenge of self mastery and how like how far you know Can I reach into my potential and how many limits gonna break and if I break that limit? There's more than beyond you know the many break the limit I see it as like that's just then the next phase of hitting the next limit You know just kind of keep going and going and going going yeah I was gonna ask that was my one of my next questions is you know the content produced by 21 Has changed so many men's lives and help them become better men myself include it You know, it's a big part of my journey was you know some of your early talks And I'm curious how it's done that for you, you know as the as the as the man behind it Yeah, how the speeches have helped me or the whole conference itself Let's go with the speeches and the speakers themselves like maybe some of the content But then actually just the process of building the thing. Okay. It's a big one So yeah, so I would refer to speaker name Richard Grannon actually first of all who's I've talked a lot with this specific Idea set about Richard Grannon didn't make it this year, but he did is filming the speech on his own British guy. He spoke for some Poland for example gets on really old Ken Curry Sean Smith and those guys is called you buddies and When I talked to Richard Grannon first a couple years ago about my childhood experience all the things I went through and stuff his first thing he said was like I'm I'm in server I think he said I'm shocked or surprised that you're not dead or in jail So it's high praise coming from him actually. Yeah, for sure for sure and he meant it He was like this is after a long conversation and I understand for reasons of I won't stand camera But that makes a lot of sense given let's say relatives that have been through similar experiences, right? So I would say that the event 21 convention itself Basically the man is fair to a wider extent, but also very unique to me 21 convention I've been able to surround myself with all these awesome speakers and the ideas they have and the truths They have access to and the knowledge of access to write the expertise and that has made my life just fucking awesome, right? It's not perfect, but it's maybe a lot stronger a lot more powerful or more masculine or more healthy over time A lot of people don't man even the simple shit You know people I grew up with you know, we don't have to get like technical woo-woo about this, right? A lot of people into school with growing up or my age 33 34 now and They're single moms, you know divorce. They got kids their life is miserable. They're fat. They're gross The men are the men are just as bad. They're sure they're the shuffle trainwrecks, right? And not everyone but a lot of them you people you went to high school If you see them and just fall apart on Facebook and shit or you see them in real life and my life has been the opposite it's been just of nothing but an upward trajectory and 21 convention has been like the rocket ship. I guess you could say I ride Bear asked doing that Cuz it's pretty wild in your red cap, right? Yeah for real. Yeah, but it's not always just it's not always wild, but it's been the The vehicle I've used to do that and without it my life would be a lot worse and nowhere near what it is Stephen Melanie also comes to mind another speaker. He said to me once on a podcast I think which are Richard Grandin as well. We were together on like a YouTube show It wasn't read my group but another one. They said people who go through like really fucked up childhood experiences trauma They either be key said they either become gods or devils You basically see it polarized you swing in one direction Yeah, that's the people end up in like rehab and prison and shit like that raised by single moms Obviously all the stats on that stuff. I wasn't but it was still like a total trainer. I've grown up Yeah, so it's that answers a lot of your question, but there's more to it I'm curious how the actual doing of the event maybe in some in some concrete way like well You know I was on event number eight I realized that I got to do things like this way and it was a major turning point or whenever if that's Shown up in specific ways because there's a very general question say how is doing this event and prove you as a man like How do you answer that? You know, I've made I've manifested my life stream my life's work Like how does it change me in all the ways? But if you can name some like specific ways some specific some specific lessons you've learned along the way Yeah, sure So I'll refer again to Richard Grandin who I talked with recently Yeah, just kind of was checking in because he was gonna make it. Hey, how things going like are you doing? You know psychology is checking in you know the personal touch And I figure what I said was again is the usual, you know anxiety and stress of an event Like it's kind of is what it is. That's normal to me now and I'm gonna have big it is right And I'm a lot more durable and thick skin to that at this age but what he said was interesting and I told I talked to Sean about this a little bit to Sean Smith and Richard Grandin said to me because he see me run these events. He's like, yeah, you just run an adrenaline man and he seemed to say it in a positive sense and What I mean by that is like no matter how intense I have to work no matter how long I just stay up No matter how much I have to do I have the ability to do it I will get it done even if I have to run completely on coffee and adrenaline nothing else don't give a fuck and In some cases that's been literal back in 2011 for example the 21 convention in London We held the first one in England over there. I did the first day of the event on zero hours of sleep Not one or two or three zero So I was up all day the day before finishing up stuff for the event had to give a speech to open the event the next day Got done prepping for the event in my speech should like five something in the morning And I was like, okay time to take a shower go to the event, but I'd run the event all fucking day And I didn't get to sleep till like almost midnight. So I was up for over 36 hours almost 40 something hours It was really hard It's very unusual you stay up that long in life like going to sleep unless you're like in a war zone or something There's some sort of traumatic experience But that told me that I could do that if I have to and I'll never forget that and it went really smooth actually You know this fucking sheer willpower and I guess you could say that the events that that's a really good example That was really hard. I was young too. I was like 21 when I was going up 22 22. I think at that point. Yeah 22 yeah, that's I'm getting old man. That was back in the day now But well, I mean that's that's a that's a very powerful lesson to learn at that age Like I'm doing this thing. It's on me. Yeah, I care enough about it to put myself through this really difficult circumstance To get to the next I have this weird personality Girls in the past I've dated I've called it like perm a thinking and I can like permanently attached to something Well, it might not be permanent in duration, but it's like a very it's like a super intense attachment to something It can be a person in the moment like I got your back no matter what like infinite integrity And if I'm gonna do the event the next day and I get no sleep, it gives a fuck. I'm gonna do it It's gonna be awesome period No matter how hard no matter how hard I have to push my willpower intensity for it That's a Richard Grant and seen in me after meeting me and he's seen the event. I mean this event I'm not going on zero. I was asleep now these days, right? Because my competence has increased, but there's a strength there. I mean Jack Donovan Jack Donovanian sense But there's there's a strength there and I think Sean Smith He's commented on that to me as well He's seen me back in even 2018 when he first spoke at the event like that event was massive That had over 200 people at it 250 or something like that Mm-hmm, and there's just a strength it takes then I'm able to exert In you know spurts as I need it that for some reason I have or have developed over time and It's fucking awesome and very useful and for events like this that are super complex a very very logical Very tight timelines live performances Like you said people see the YouTube videos and that's like the shiny thing they see at the end and Reality it's like a lot in in real life, you know, you hear it's a live performance It's very hard to schedule these things and get people on time and there's flights and there's COVID crap And there's fucking problems over here and this shit and the Uber and this in fact and people now tell like You know, they're just their phone died. They forgot they're all kinds of all kinds of shit happens. This is real life Yeah, of course. It's like it's like a movie that you're filming live and it's being seen live You know for these people the attendees Usually complex, you know, just to get people and just to get a man on stage with a with a screen with slides and cameras live streaming microphones all recorded for posterity like With security with law enforcement with photographers with videography with, you know Staff management with volunteers with merchandise at a hotel and we're doing three at a time with people in the crowd With people in the crowd. Yeah, we need food and breaks and water and places to sleep places to sleep It's it's a thing and yeah, it's I love it though I don't know why you know when I was a kid I never dreamed of doing this This isn't like but it's been my whole life and it's like really fun and hard I think one of the reasons I love it's because it's hard like it's really challenging. It's I could go work I'd be working retail or something right work a fucking nine to five This is way more water. I don't know if I could work a nine to five I get fired in the second they figure out who I am. Yeah, but yeah, it's super hard, man And I think it's a very masculine job to entrepreneurship in general Yeah, and obviously CEOs and should all men not surprising But live events are very they require a lot of logical thinking and men excel at that better And I think it's a very masculine way to view the world and I get to do that like at a high level. It's awesome I love it. Yes, so let's go through the three individual conventions that happen talk. Let's start with 22 convention How do you think that went this year? What did you like about it really good? I think it went better than last year. Yeah, it was a little bit longer So it's like three and a half days instead of three days So that got me a little more time to space things out make the talks a little bit longer stuff like that And that's good because I don't like to rush people I don't like to rush speakers if I can avoid it and I like I hate when we have to tighten up a break For example, yeah, but in in response to that I like this year, for example I Schedule the lunches to be like really long in case we needed to eat into them right most days We didn't yeah, yeah on Sunday. That's funny. Yeah, did not intend to do that Freudian more than But you know the events that the lunches were two hours this year like every day is that yeah And that helped because then if we needed an extra 15 minutes, who cares a lunch still need an hour and 45 On Sunday, we had a cut in half and I was pushing it tight it went down to an hour But it's still not not terrible But yeah, I want really smooth 22 the I would say we have even better woman this year About the same amount but like a different summer turn some came back That's a bunch of you succeeded in making women some of them great again. That's right. Yeah, they love it Yeah, they're coming back next year. They're like one's the next one That's that's how part of how you know you succeeded is you know the ten days are like I can't wait to come next year It's great. It's like welcome to have you back Yeah, it was really good man We had we had a lot more women this year speak there too. That was really cool last year We only had one and even that was a surprise Jennifer Molesky. Yeah, she was a solo female birthing person This year, there was a lot of birthing persons. There was like four Including a female attorney badass attorney out of Alabama was Isaac. Yeah, I'm Susan Melissa Suzanne Vanker Jennifer Molesky. Who was the fourth one? I started calling else. Oh Colleen house with Elliott That's right. I think we last year, but Kaley spoke with Tanner. So I don't want to discount that. There's a Patriot Oh, I guess they do also they did both. Yeah, but it wasn't like a solo speech. Yeah, but I should I should have counted it And this year I am You know with Colleen and her position there. Sure. Yeah, so but that's but even having solo more solo speeches They like Suzanne was a big one too, right? That's huge. Yeah, that's very recent addition to So it's been a lot of fun man a lot a lot of fun And I had to fires and speakers as well from last year, you know about that kind of stuff public You know stuff, but that's part of life you make You add things and you subtract, you know in and out a garbage in garbage out. That's right What do we have to look forward to for 22 convention coming up as much as you can share? Yeah next year Mm-hmm. I might like I've been talking to you about and probably gonna Modify when the events start so instead of running Thursday through Sunday, they're gonna run like Friday through Monday That'll be a big change for all the events including 22 I want more female speakers. I think it should be continue to be co-ed kind of thing I think it's pretty cool. There's a lot of potential out there Janice professor at Janice F. Mango was supposed to be here this year. That was impossible due to COVID garbage Coof at the coof. I Think she will make it next year if he's not Dead living in a tyrannical shit hole like Canada Yeah, it's for getting really bad up there. It's almost like Australia. Yeah, it's fun to make fun of it But it's it's she's scared man, and she should be I thought I'd get the fuck out like her life Dependent on it to be honest. Yeah Not a bad recommendation. Yeah some more women and I think it's gonna be but ones who are savage You know the Janice's the Melissa's not like some purple purple, but I'm a pills too much Yeah, not that. I don't like the conserve house, you know none of that crap. Yeah. Yeah, so the conserve house No, I want legit. Yeah. Yeah, so we see more of that and Transformed wife or someone someone like that. Oh, yeah, well, yeah, yeah, yeah, maybe not the best choice of words But I love warrior Alexander. Yeah amazing the transform life amazing and I interviewed of two hours is here Mm-hmm. Yeah, a lot of ton of fun ton of fun. Excellent I'll think of more stuff to be honest, but it's You know every year I do the event I change I don't change a lot But I change some usually important things actually like this year. I made it longer the 22 convention, right? That's a big change I modified their brakes a little bit their lunches made things longer Adam or women next year You'll see some substantial changes nothing probably that thrown I'm not gonna throw the foundation out the window, but you'll see substantial changes Even the 21 port this year has now a three-camera shoot up from one Yeah doing from one camera for a long time to three boom big change. Yeah got a new host a couple new hosts You know, it's the new and improved 21 report. Yeah Now let's go to the patriarchs event. How do you think that went this year? This is a third year of doing it. That's awesome They went really well, I was in that event the least I'd be very very frank That was very similar last year. The only one of those I've seen fully was 2019 We started it because it was solo by itself The second one was supposed to be alongside 22 because of Cooford. We had to reshape that in the 21 summit Which is an ultimately very good thing and I think it went really good though from what I did see Jeff Younger was a huge addition to that. He was one of the favorite speakers And I knew he'd be good, but he hit like really hard his speech is supposed to be the most intense Yeah, and I heard that not only from Ken Curry who had to follow him sadly There's I've heard this before from speakers You have like this amazing ultra intense speaker and then the guy who follows him is like a real calm and chill and everyone's like Like fucking like shocked from the previous guy. You got to follow that. You're like, oh fuck But Ken still awesome did great job But Michael Foster even said like that guy was super intense and Foster's a super intense dude So Foster for me Michael Foster Pastor Michael Foster is a really good barometer for like gauging each event Very specific details like this like the intensity of a speaker that they go too far or too light Do they you know too soft when you toughen them up, you know shit like that? Yeah, and guys basis fuck You know the base Pat base Michael savage base Michael Foster savage pastor or something that Anyway, I think it went really well though. I'm glad Jeff Younger was there The paternity coach was there carnal Smith Trevor Loudon savage anti-communist documentary filmmaker He has a documentary coming out called the enemies within the church. I mean, these are major additions to patriarch I'm really glad I made them. Yeah, and also Michael Foster was the chief patriarch the keynote And that's very cool. And then Tanner was kind of the vice patriarch on officially to help lead the event I don't have the bandwidth basically to keep it to lead it like I I'm doing two other ones with Socrates. Thank God So they did really good I love it too because I've told them repeatedly Tanner and Michael Foster that like I trust them to run it and they do it I check in as much as I can of course the videographers and the camera team are fully on it, but They're running almost their own event independently, right when the founder is just kind of like doing other stuff Running two other events at the same time, right and to see I mean the I started this event when I was 17 years old as a kid And it's changed so much since then since it was an event for young men to learn how to pick up chicks Basically a little bit of fitness and stuff and mostly picking up chicks And now there's a fatherhood event running on its own that I'm not even that Physically involved with when it's operating like it's it's like its own machine and it's super cool. I'm all about it I'm not even father So I mean these are Christian. This is a Christian pastor. Is that the leader of it right now crazy? Yeah, it's totally it has evolved so far from its original foundation and yet it still links back to it Yeah for men young men, you know male-female relationships grandfathers now I heard too is what Socrates said their grandfathers here. Yeah, yeah for sure not only some speakers I think yeah, we've had speakers in the past grandfathers, but yeah in attendees. Yeah for sure. Yeah, it's it's It's really amazing. It's some of the most it's easily the some of the most unique work going on in America I think I agree and no one else talking about it Yeah, it's almost not even allowed anywhere else, you know, then you're not even allowed to talk about these issues Especially not in the context of masculinity. Yeah, but especially the way we're dealing with it You're not allowed you're not allowed to talk about them these issues in general and especially not from our perspective, right? I mean if you talk about them it has to be from like the official narrative Feminism is awesome. We all worship feminism women are amazing Never can be criticized, right? They're angels and men are toxic dog shit Fathers are irrelevant like fuck all that bullshit And that's why that's part of what I said my speech and maybe we could talk about it But the Manisphere is basically like the real counterculture, you know, it's not like huge, but it's pretty big It's way bigger than like I was telling people I was referring to you constantly because our conversations like yeah The Manisphere is really really big Yeah, it's not like I don't know Christianity like billion people in it But it's big as millions of guys in it. Yeah, and it's much more expansive than people realize And I just love it man. So so much. I was going somewhere with that I'll think about it in a second. Yeah, well, one of the things you mentioned is Pastor Michael Foster We keep grandfathers and we'll use this to transition talking about the 21 convention that room specifically But there's such a breadth of themes at this event, you know, it beyond just dating, you know beyond Beyond some of the more classic themes of the Manisphere you have religion, you know, you have aesthetics with Arthur Kwan Lee You know, you have you have a much stronger political influence, you know from from Although Melissa Isaac didn't speak there. She's you know, she's still contributed to the overall feeling of things Jeff younger Of course, you know, also very political I would even say with Melissa it was legal like I do political be more like Socrates did some political civil disobedience kind of stuff People like actively evolve in the political Eric Carroll, you know what I mean like there There are people that are sort of like yeah, Melissa's kind of on the boundary But like people that are actively known in political circles, you know what I mean show up like Colonel Smith's actually a really good example He changed the change laws Positively for men in like 10 states or 11. Yeah for paternity fraud stuff, which is fucking awesome Yeah, and he worked his ass off for that method. That is a that's like effective like policy stuff like super effective Yeah, policy is a great way of putting it, you know and people that are known in political circles It's a real shift, you know a real shift a real emergence, you know to go along with fatherhood, you know as as the As the event or as the man's fear kind of grows up and sort of identifies itself and part of the larger world The larger world has come into the man's fear now, which is really I think that's really exciting Make them great again is the ultimate example that in my opinion one of the ultimate examples Yeah, how it reached so much culture so many people. Yeah, I've met people in real life They don't even know who I am and but they heard about make them a great again And they're like that's you like yeah, it was all me. Yeah, like holy shit Because they saw it all over their feeds when it was going nuts, you know, that's right people don't even know never mind people from High school that I'm talking, you know shit like that. I'm talking 15 something years So yeah, but yeah, it's the man's fears massive man It's the more the culture interacts with that the bigger it's gonna get it's just gonna keep getting bigger and bigger Like I talked about my speech shows a speaker years ago cares about his name, but We're in the middle of the road terms, whatever But he said the man is fears dead in 2019. I'm like this is a dumb Catnip Twitter catnip bullshit, you know Because I know he said they'll make this completely wrong like the man is fears bigger than several been even 2019 Yeah, never mind now just gets bigger and bigger and bigger and 11 men America needs it I was going with America's the real counterculture. That's what I was saying a minute ago Yeah, so the America is the real counterculture the real counterculture because the man is fear and this gets into the Man is fear or America the man is fear. Oh, there's a real America Okay, there's no no the man is fear is the real counterculture and I was I talked about this in both my speeches for the women and the men Basically the man is fear is the only like broad community. That's very diverse, right? You got atheists like me and Jack Donovan you got Christians Like you and my Jack Donovan and Tanner and all these different these different denominations and like Jews and stuff Whatever it all stuff, but it's the only group The only like culture that rejects the whole narrative like all of it Like yeah, the feminism the woke crap communism social most fucking garbage, right? So that's that's really special I think and that's part of why it needs to be defended and protected so well Mm-hmm, and part of what as a deposit of future. Mm-hmm. It's it's like I Called the official tagline for now with 21 convention is America's last stand for masculinity I think it is the event and it's as a reflection of the man is fear really sure the event is the event But the event is the heart of the man is fear as I see it Mm-hmm the beating physical heart every year mm-hmm or sometimes time, you know a couple times a year Yeah, it depends on the year sometimes it has a faster heartbeat Well, let's talk about the 21 convention the actual event room and what was going on in there And how do you think that went it's the biggest event yet? Yeah Well, we've done bigger 21 conventions like 2018 was like massive, okay? Yeah, but this 20 this 21 summit was easily the 21 summit all of them together was easily the best event We've ever done last year too was really really good I would say this year was probably 15 20% better smoother and better and better feels and vibes Operations like what kind of cool stuff that event really went really good though. That was I would say probably my Maybe my favorite event we've ever done for 21 convention specific There's a lot of competition for the past two, you know, but I want super smooth man super great Arthur Quanley, I know it was a huge hit. Yeah didn't see that one coming Asian guy I call him Luke. I introduced him as Luke Hanks cousin Up next your next fighter is Arthur Quanley. I Had a great time in my talk people said May always work on it up to the last second I think about it for months I work on it for weeks and days then finally you got to give it and had a lot of visual imagery in it a lot of Memes and it was like really funny, but also very serious and people said a lot of it People laughing people said was like a stand-up comedy skit, which wasn't really the intention But I'm happy it came out that way that makes sense. That's like a really cool outcome of it But the event was this over my favorite part though in that room It involved multiple events at that point. It was almost like a 21 summit thing was the red man groups Now we had the red man group on Saturday a special one with the docs. I called it you hosted that Unfortunately, dr. Glover could not make the event, but we did have dr. Sean Smith and Ken Curry both therapists. That was super cool I love that Sean was taking a couple of digs at the wannabe cult leaders And the man is very cult of personality But then the red man groups so that was like a initial one on Saturday, but a lot of them we did on Sunday We did four more on Sunday. Yeah Those are amazing especially the religion one and I'm not religious myself But I thought it was a super cool saying this this is like the America that I grew up in and I want to see come Back now like we have different religions, you know Kind of debating with each other, but finding common ground and values Jacked out of a nailed it, you know like these different like the differences between different denominations of Christianity He's I look right now. We're trying to make sure we can just get out of our house together Like the country the country politically is so fucked Like you can't even like leave your house in some places still and some place of the world. This is this is sick like this madness So seeing these guys, you know get along and I know that they think is a lot of them most of guys up there were Christian But they all love Jesus But then they don't get along on some stuff like really hardcore, but they made it work You know, like they're very polite and respectful and that's that's what needs to be you know freedom of religion to me is like super important like free speech and When people are interacting with each other intellectually like that, I think that's what makes that work That's like the lubrication for freedom of religion You can't just have it in a document and you know, it's not just a political thing It needs to be cultural and to see that these Christians who like it can be really intense I see Michael Foster gets screamed out online for hanging out me the atheists or even crit tanners and Mormon No, he said apparently he gets more heat from hanging out with Tanner than with me and I'm definitely hard to go in hell Oh, yeah for real. I mean look at his Facebook page. It's crazy some of the stuff. Yeah, yeah, it's public You know it's Facebook page obviously you got you know Jack Donovan sitting there at the astute but But all those panels are super cool. I was on one of them. You were on a couple you hosted The one on the state of femininity feminine Yeah, yeah, yeah, so I had a really good time on that too And I'm always really exhausted on like the Sunday of the event like the last day But I still like made it work and it's really fun being up there You know hanging out my buddies and shit talking about the issues talking about matters to me But yeah, those panels I think the speeches were always fucking savage You know, but the having the panels we made the panel smaller too because it was getting really really big Like seven or eight people last time it's not time for everyone. Yeah, we've had eight in 2019 last year It was like seven, but it was just too much You know they have to be long then like over an hour and it's just too many people and it Even if you're patient with getting to having people talk and there's a good moderator doesn't matter It's just too many people, right? So those I thought the quality of the conversations went way way up because there was one one of them was three One of them most of them are five and I thought that was like perfect and it was super super cool What do you think about the attendees this year you to interact with many of them I know you're usually pretty busy running around, but with the guys and even some of the girls at 22 like yeah I would say the attendees were better than ever this year The way I heard it put to me from some of the speakers and I agree with them like a foster talking about it There was like no anxiety Basically, there's always been like little clicks sometimes at 10 21 and We're gonna get in the weeds on it But there's none of that this year everybody came like for the mission for the purpose and for the event They didn't come to follow some like little cult of personality or something weird like that They were like into the event was what you should be into with the event It's okay if you have a favorite speaker or two like I want to meet that guy I'm gonna go because that guy that's fine, but if it becomes like this weird thing We're not really going to the event You're going to hang out with the dude and you don't really care about the event like that's not Now you need to be like engaged like meet other people and that work, you know be open be social To the best of your ability The woman we did have one who was like we had one last year to one There's always one woman now It's like it's like a recurring theme to ask like a million questions Now last year the woman got like rude this one was not rude, you know, thankfully But just super persistently disagree with like a ton of the content and just had to constantly like get on the mic It's kind of interesting It's actually kind of entertaining and because especially because she wasn't rude this year. They're different women You know the one last year. I was like, you're not even welcome back Well, I didn't let the one last year come back because she put her finger on coach Greg Adams at the end of the event on Sunday night We're cleaning it up And no one got hurt or anything, but that was instant You put your hand on speaker. It's disrespectful and it's boundary breaking for sure minute coach very handled perfectly I've had a lot of spectrum ever since as I'm a fucking game Because you know it is big big nasty woman, you know put his hand on him put her hand on him I saw the whole thing. I started filming it and shit because I'm like, oh fuck Stand up on the fucking news. Yeah, they handle it super smooth and Yeah, but we had one more like this year, but she didn't get do nothing violent I'm not even like a finger and she wasn't like rude or anything But you know, just super, you know very very feminist basically I don't even know if she identified as feminist, but it was feminist and all but name idea But the other ones are super cool I think we had more like women who really like tried stuff and anti feminism like explicitly and they see this event They're like, oh, yeah, fuck yeah, I'm gonna go and then this had a really good time And so it's like very positive vibes positive energy at it a lot of feminine women basically, you know Which are low were low on in this country to get gas tanks run low in America Yeah, I mean it's a lot of guys came back some it was interesting seeing some guys come back I haven't seen in a couple years So this is like sometimes their first time seeing 21 summit based to 10 2018 2019 when it was just 21 convention Or maybe the patriarch or something they went to but it was one at a time But now they got to like for example the men they got to pick and choose between patriarch and 21 Mostly they went to the event they were ticketed for but I gave them bonus access for free to the other one So you get to see guys get a little bit frustrated But in a good way because they like oh fuck I want to go see that guy Yeah, I can't be in all these places at once. Yeah, you can't they just you got to pick and then so make some Choose I think it helps them actually what it does for them And I realize it's helping them sort out their values and their hierarchy Oh, yeah, and it's it's forcing them to make a decision and forcing them to be responsible for taking a decision You can't just pass will be sit in the same room the whole time now if you sit in patriarch or in 21 Whatever you want, you're there on purpose and it's it's your choice to be there and you're missing out on the other one So it's a little bit of a loss, you know, they got fucking missing out It's now that you're responsible for your experience and I did not intend that, you know Years ago when I first thought of 21 summit and then COVID made me, you know, force me great It basically but it's cool to see that and I think it helps people stay even more engaged also to we found that Like last year the women I don't know why this is but I think it's I think it's biological or psychological male-female really is Women are super engaged Like they ask way more questions than the men even the guys who asked the most questions I mean, it's like there's like a 10x fold of questions and I know the guys have questions They just like don't ask them until they ask him like behind the scenes, which is cool Yeah, the hallways and the dinners but like in the room. It's the women who are consistently 22 They come they're running to grab that mic And you felt that probably when you spoke right at the end years No, it was mostly stun silence at the end of mine. Oh, wow. I got a ton. I got a bunch of mine Yeah, most most of them had a lot and most most of speeches have a lot of things Yeah, that came in and I caught the end of Socrates and there was someone asking him a bunch of questions And I finished speaking and there was like just kind of one question like I told you a smooth operator Yeah, man, I set him up. Yeah, but it was mine There was a bunch one of one girl one with me for like 10 minutes on camera. I finally was a guy We got a we got a cut like this is gonna keep going. It was fun going back and forth. It's like I was going I'm over my time like it's let's cut. I'll talk to you off that side So yeah, there's a good people man a lot of good people, you know my favorite people in the world That's what I gather. I've always wanted like I love connecting things and people ideas physical things people all this stuff And this event is the ultimate culmination of that for me. I agree. Yeah What are you most looking forward to when you get home and it's all done? Probably taking a really nice hot salt bath. I took someone. I was here. I know this sounds silly But it's super nice. I have even more salt at home. I like mixed salts People are all people in the man is for all like cold showers and ice baths and all this crap Ice baths are for pussies basically. I'm just kidding. I've done some myself Yeah Basically, I think what people don't realize is that it's not ice baths necessarily that are cool have benefits for you It's temperature changes to your body and in either direction they have benefits to you and they're different Warren Farrell for example his book you know that Warren Farrell For boys, you know the warren boys boy crisis. Yeah, I call the warren boys in my head But it's the boy crisis. So that basically the same thing At the end of the book they get into health benefits of like hot baths You know if we're like boys with autism and stuff like that That's real brain brain benefits really hot baths and especially to keep the temperature up over time to let it cool down Helps look a lot of symptoms helping keeping them calm basically anti-anxiety Basically the hot top up or I take hot salt baths for more benefits beyond that for your skin muscles stuff like that But it's super relaxing. I mean it is like sometimes actually do it I do it in a way like Tim Ferriss years ago without the Tim Ferriss is big in a salt baths at night Particularly epsom salt for magnesium going to sleep, which is true I take ones in the morning though with epsom that I mix it with Dead Sea salt and other stuff And these are like awesome for waking up They don't really Snap wake you up. It's like having a cup of coffee or jumping an ice bath. We're gonna call fuck my nuts, right? There's something about it though that like really it heats you up and then the salt and all the the minerals in there and stuff Then if you can go for a walk get some coffee It's like boom like a double hit all of a sudden and I told this to people don't blame me I'm like dude I know it takes a lot of fucking time though, right? It's like a 30 to 40 minute ordeal to do this take a long bath salt bath But you feel awesome and you get some of your best thinking done my best work productivity and stuff like that And I don't see an almost doing that so please guys go do that go do it. Yeah, I just Yeah, yeah But I'm just happy to get back to like my daily life My home my neighborhood going for walks working on YouTube, you know, just going to the beach going for walks of reading like just not You know 24 25 hours a day out of 24 with the event and the lead up to it too Which is super super intense a few weeks every year leading up to 21 summit or 21 convention are super intense The most intense of the year for me by far way more than the holidays or anything crap like that Because it just doesn't end until it ends till the fat ladies the fat ladies about to sing here But the fat lady until the fat lady sings it's like it it not only is super intense It it cranks up every day You get a little bit less sleep and it's a little more busy and there's more people and there's more this and you Spend that money there and write that check and go here and meet this person and fix that and call this person And they're calling you and they want this and this and it's like and it's this big Yeah, the grand finale those will be just had So it's nice to just have that behind me and just get home and just like Chill grant grind my coffee my little grinder. Just simple fucking shit, man My life is not you know, not complicated, right? I love my work. I read I work out Go to you know go to the beach like simple fucking shit, you know, I could talk about my speech like I don't know much of you saw but Yeah, yeah, you know like being left alone. That's like my life. Like leave me the fuck alone. I'll leave you alone You leave me the fuck alone. That's how this works So keep it simple introverted. I'm very introverted basically these events are not introverted. No, so they're very exhausting in that way It's good for me to get through this, you know and do it for a million different reasons But yeah, I'd like to just a recharge and I'm alone and that's all be soon. I'm excited That's totally fine. So where do you want to send people? We're here on YouTube is there any place you'd like to send people for more information about upcoming events or any social media feeds You want to send them to I've got a million so let's get into it We just launched a brand new website just before the event called 21 studios calm We've used that before obviously, but it's been completely rebuilt It's my main website going forward for a long time super dope website They met the creator of it actually came here. He lives local 21 studios calm. That's the home base for videos and events and news and blogs and podcasts and all that shit It's awesome. Very clean site very professional golden professional They can also for events go to the 21 convention org that or g and they're gonna follow my social media at beach muscles on Twitter at beach muscles 65 on Instagram and YouTube's as youtube.com 21 or you know 21 studios we're at 342,000 and change on the main channel on YouTube and We're gonna hit somewhere between like probably three seventy and four hundred by the end of the year I'm excited and next year. I think what five a million Thanks, man. I'm gonna put your speech out to half a million dudes mostly dudes. Well, mostly dudes. Yeah, it's like It's like 98% male. Yeah, that's like 91% fun. Yeah, I do matter of me Yeah, well, thank you President Anthony dream Johnson for everything he's done for 15 years for men and for masculinity and thanks for me Yeah, thank you very much This is Will Spencer from the Renaissance of Men with President Anthony dream Johnson here for the new 21 report. Thanks