 So yeah, I think this new season is gonna be sort of interesting with just the two of us Yeah, I think it might be a little bit awkward with these three segments and two hosts, but it's gonna be all good We're gonna pull it off. It's fine. Yeah, I mean, I'm very happy for both Ingrid and Katie and I wish they could still be here, but Who are you please? Am I on the right show? Can we get a producer in here, please? Good evening everybody and welcome to for your reference brought to you by your friendly neighborhood librarians at the University of Tennessee in Knoxville I'm Robin Beatonville, and I'm Paris Lailin And I'm Sarah Johnson. I'm new here Okay, and Welcome Sarah If you're out there and you watch season one, you'll remember Ingrid Ruffin and Casey Fox Who are no longer with us? To be clear, they're fine. They just two new jobs elsewhere y'all I've heard they miss us terribly Yeah, um, Casey's off working with the Big Ears Festival and Ingrid has moved on to lovely Las Vegas where she is now an associate dean with UNLV Yeah, it is a heartbreaking house how they look in these photos, isn't it? Yeah, but on a brighter note, we have a new host Sarah tell us a little bit about yourself sure I'm a commons librarian here at UT libraries and A fun fact about me is I grew up on a farm with Tennessee fainting goats and yes They're exactly what you think they are So goats that faint Yeah Um So family is kind of gonna be a little bit of our theme tonight and so Question I have for you guys is do either of you have siblings or wait Do either of you have siblings you're willing to talk about live on the internet? I Appreciate you reframing that Robin. Yeah. Why yes, I do Okay, so yeah, this is always an interesting question for me because I'm an only child Um, you might have guessed this given how I am those of you who know me well And I'm also a Leo, which means you can always count on me to bring a conversation back around to myself Is that synonymous with douchey no Feelings that would hurt But I do have a lot of friends with siblings and some of them seem to communicate with their siblings better than others Where where are you your family sort of follow on the scale? Um, so I have an older brother and growing up we have that typical relationship We would just add each other's spirits all the time about anything it didn't matter But um, there comes a time in your adult life where you're tired and you have other things to do And so you squash it and you're like, it's fine. We'll just deal with our weird differences. So that's where we're at these days About you sir Uh, I am the complete opposite I have a younger sister who is my best friend And we like even have it's you know, sometimes things Seems like we have our own language when we talk to each other. It's so very different Very cool. Very cool. Well tonight. We have some very special guests Here to talk about families and how they communicate in our first segment. We're calling reviewer two So I'd like to extend excuse me a warm welcome to our very first guest tonight. Dr Jordan Allen from Utah Valley University Welcome Jordan Tell us a little bit about you and uh, and your work Sure. So, um Uh, um, it's so funny. I do my work. Um I'm an interpersonal and family communication scholar I did my graduate work at the university of Nebraska and my specialty My area of emphasis is non-normative family relationships. And so like I'm really interested in estranged relationships The people who would consider themselves functionally estranged or twin relationships or step family relationships Anything that's just kind of outside of that nuclear typical formation Which uh, actually is a lot more families than you might think Honestly When you get down to it, it's pretty much, uh, all of them But uh, yeah, glad to have you with us. Uh, now playing the role of reviewer two tonight Is dr. Nicole Allen from Utah State University Welcome to the show Hello Thank you for having us So glad to have you here. So it's your turn. Tell us a little bit about you and your work Um, I'm an assistant professor at Utah State University most of my research Looks at public discourse. Um, I use a lot of rhetorical theory. And then of course I look at these families um, and um sort of people who find themselves outside the prescribed norm with jordan Oh, okay. So, um Quick question. You both have the same last name and uh, I notice a resemblance Yes, we are No, we just met it was so random Nebraska Lincoln we found each other were like, do you it does your mom? That's great. So, um tonight, uh, you two are going to be talking a little bit about families I guess because this is context where you're are going to be talking about methodologies Um, so your question that we're discussing is How can we expand our definition of multi and mixed methods? So i'm going to let you two get to it Reminder to our audience if you have questions for either of our guest scholars You can drop them in the comments on youtube or on facebook and uh, we can surface those when Y'all are done when you see my face again. It'll be time for q and a awesome Thank you Um, so I guess we should also say that we did add a brief addendum onto our question, which is and why In your research is this an important question to think about so jordan. Why don't you go ahead and start so, um, I think So when we're starting to think about Multi-method research in general is it family specific one of the reasons that taking a multi-method approach, which is using Well for us using qualitative interpersonal communication methods interviews focus groups and then what nicole does rhetorical public discourse methods is that there's a fundamental belief that families are privates and that their communication has to be studied in isolation Of almost everything else But what we know, especially for families who exist outside the norm that public communication is very important It shapes well for everybody, but it particularly shapes and impacts those relationships And so having a dual multi-method approach Let's us tackle that in a way that having a single approach either way. I wouldn't really be able to capture And so in your research what like maybe let's focus on um, like the twin studies Um, so how would having me and the rhetorical approach kind of help you in that case? What did it reveal or unveiled that perhaps we would have not examined otherwise? Yeah, so there's um the scientific discourse surrounding twins zygosity, whether they're identical or fraternal Um, because it's largely like a public discourse without kind of the rhetorical nature of it We wouldn't be able to trace how it actually influences and shapes twin identity Um, sometimes problematically for twins and so without having kind of that broader more global view We wouldn't have insight into some of the struggles Particularly with like being identical or being the same or the importance of being physically similar And then kind of the the social expectations that come around with that So it's all it's all linked in kind of this complex way that you couldn't see without two methods at least two methods Yeah, and I think one thing when we were doing the study we interviewed um A whole host of twins and like the first for our first study on twin intimacy Which is what we called twin specific intimacy But one of the things that was really interesting to me that I hadn't really considered is that most twins Um rarely talked about being a twin And they were in the interviews so curious about what other twins were saying Because there's very little gauge for them about what's what's considered normal What's considered healthy because they're so frequently just compared to Singletons or people who had individual births about what was healthy or what was normal Yeah, and I think also that came out when we asked them a question about conflict and we know from ourselves From research that twin conflict interpersonal conflict can be a lot more intense than single-ting conflict for a variety of reasons And when we asked that question, but we you know, we Disclose to them that we were twins. It's it's amazing how like more inform How much more information and how much more safe they felt when they knew we were also we were familiar with the twin conflicts Yeah, it's Kind of getting an insider's perspective So, um, I wonder if we could also talk about estranged family relationships And then in your research, you also noted positive estrangement that it could be like a good thing but um sort of the critical or the rhetorical was Understanding that that's not generally in the literature that estrangement is good So I wonder if you could talk a little bit more about that hinting at the importance of the public discourse and the method This is a very leading question. Yeah, of course So, um, the where that paper which was ultimately my dissertation came from was kind of like a proto multi-method approach And so it really came from like a grounded perspective where there was Um, there's people who identify as estranged, but they don't identify that as like a negative thing They don't like feel bad about it. They don't feel a need to reconcile It's just another type of relationship. And so to kind of understand how that why that was contradicting estrangement Julie more and I did a textual analysis of existing family Family not just communication but family research broadly to see how they're defining healthy family And so one of the things that's really common in it is that like healthy families have open communication Which is problematic for a lot of reasons, but by the very nature By the very nature of having communication be a key element of family relationships or functional family relationships Anybody in an estranged relationship, even if they were happy even if they wanted it even if they were actively maintaining it Um, couldn't couldn't be considered themselves healthy There's like no discursive resources for them to articulate that even though that was their lived experience Very true. And one thing that I really like that we kind of got to explore in a paper together was talking about how Um, non-human objects can really influence people's Um experience of estrangement And that's where they kind of get indications that you feel good about your estrangement But you shouldn't and I was wondering if you could talk a little bit more about that more specifically in your findings Yeah, and so another part of that paper was the idea that even though there are strange relationships They're not done. So like communicating. There's some communication. So we used um actor network theory to talk about how Objects maintain estranged relationships. They're distant. They're not intimate. They're objects are communicating to do that. And so one participant mentioned Or the christmas cards So like and just a generic christmas card where there's like the whole family kind of the norman walkwell Um, and she just talked about engaging and interacting with this object in a way that highlighted her relationship was indeed not like that Um, and she even said that like even though I enjoy maintaining a relation a strange relationship like that's the relationship for us that um She felt bad in that moment And so the idea that this object that exists outside of her can make and shape her emotions or affect in her feelings Is something that was like repeated over and over again in the interviews for my um dissertation in this first study We did but like really drives home the idea that this what the nuclear family is is communicated or with a perfect Healthy family is is communicated to us all the time really problematically And I also remember one one excerpt from that that always really stuck up stuck up stuck out rather to me was the discussion from um A woman who was recalling How her experience at university and getting all of the emails from the university talking about family day or talking about Parentsing and all of those things really also reinforced a lot of those things that Giving her negative feelings about being a strange friend if I remember correctly It was her her mother if she was a strange friend if I'm remembering that interview correctly and so what do you think some of the practical implications for understanding the force of these external um objects and discourses on um those those relationships should be Yeah, so I think the first thing is to remember that like our communication and who we're communicating with is both public and private Like that distinction, especially when we're talking about challenges is really it's not an important distinction I think it's kind of a harmful distinction and so when we're thinking about like how family is privileged and how family is centered in In a and being close with your family There's I think it's important just practically to pay attention what and not only who but what is communicating that message to us Because it's not until we can become aware of that message that we can consciously confront that message which um I think is like incredibly helpful. Yeah that participant she mentioned like letters about parent parent week and it actually caused her to try and reconcile with her mother which was Horrible and then she ended up again estranged from her mother. Um, but she cited those letters specifically as a reason for her trying reconciliation So one thing that I think you're hitting on that we haven't discussed explicitly but is like the need to um sort of disintegrate this public private Binary and I know in rhetoric because we study like public discourse There's this sort of Implicit this implication that there is a private discourse and that somehow They're separate and we need to kind of figure out how to bridge those together so, um when you were researching the um estrangement literature you talked about Examining like family research specifically and so what do you think is something to keep in mind? Or what was something that you kept in mind while you were navigating? Um doing sort of a rhetorical critique at the family literature. What were some of your struggles? Yeah, so some of my struggles were well first because I'm a trained social scientist like my My reflex is just to believe the social but that fact is a given it's not constructed And so that was like a big hurdle to overcome to see how the literature was constructing the healthier functional family And so just getting over kind of like that post I was a post I was a positive But kind of getting over that post-positivism and eventually, you know, like you can't study How this communication this professional public communication is shaping if you believe it's a given right? So like you have to inherently believe it's it's construction On some level and so that was like that was the big struggle But then I think something else is like I was doing the interviews like concurrently And so those were the interviews and what participants were saying were kind of sensitizing me to a lot of the things that were It was so strange that we're like showing up in the literature And so like a participant would say like I don't feel the need to reconcile but then the literature would say People who are strange should absolutely try and reconcile the family unit blah blah blah blah And so just like the mirror images was sometimes kind of spooky And definitely probably persuading other people to not automatically accept that literature is kind of a challenge But we Go ahead. No, no, no Okay So it's just everything that's a struggle that we've had Especially when we're speaking to a social scientific audience The idea of questioning or argumentation in general, which is which is accepted in rhetoric is not the accepted communication style and at least family communication interpersonal and that's a struggle that we had trying to publish together Sure, but we've also had other struggles and so I thought now would be a great time to look at some actual reviewer two comments um about a piece that we wrote together that um had a lot of problems in fairness to the reviewers But um, it was sort of our first stab at doing like a rhetorical piece with a qualitative methods piece so as a rhetorical analysis of to the twin methodology and um like ideologies of Biologicalism that kind of go along with that and then we paired that with these interviews that we did and it didn't go well but It was a little clumsy But there were some things that I think hit on the um, some of the reviewer two comments were more specific to the struggle of having a multi method that is both rhetorical And qualitative and so I thought I would read to you like a couple of sentences And then you can talk about what you think the struggle is here in terms of marrying those two methods together um, so one article one reviewer said When it comes to your finding section, I wanted more the opener in the literature Currently compromise comprised rather 12 pages of your paper while the analysis section alone consists of 10 pages More space and time is needed to given given to flesh out and explore your qualitative data Additionally your analysis Oh, they don't like the way that we set up nature and nature But anyway, so can you kind of speak to what you think is happening in that comment for that reviewer? I think it was my inclination is that was a rhetorical reviewer. I think that I think that they just saw we were making We were making more arguments than we had space for and I think that like we we had a lot We had a lot of stuff we had to do in that paper We had to set up, you know this idea that twin studies themselves were really problematic They had this this history, but that's also, you know, a eugenics history. It's tied to racism and sexism and essentialism Um, and then we we had to set that up and then we had to tie that into the qualitative data analysis And and so we were just there was too much to be done in one paper And I think that is what they they were really talking about Was good feedback Still good feedback. I mean it's 100 right? But I yeah, but I think one thing that I really appreciated about working on this project with you because it kind of stemmed from Uh interpretive qualitative methods class that we took together Oh that too, yeah But one thing that I appreciated about working on this with you was that we just started working on twins And then I kind of got into the history of twin studies and it was never really clear to me Um until I got to like the very like the founder of twin studies and I we found out that he Was the founder of twin studies. He was the founder of eugenics and he was the founder of the nature versus nurture Um divide right and he's really the one that explicated that and there's like a very specific citation pattern that goes from sir francis gulton who is the cousin of Darwin and it goes from him Then some british people are working on it and then it like goes to europe and like the next person to pick it up was um fair von fresher who is um sort of yeah In uh, well first in the weimar republic in that in nazi germany and he's most famous for advocating for twin studies but also for working with joseph mangola and then twin studies comes to the united states And enjoys like a similar very controversial history And so I think that had we just thought about twin studies in the current moment We missed this whole history That examines how twin studies and nature versus nurture undergird this whole sort of racist white supremacist racial hierarchy that was Very much tied to like the british empire And so um, but I also want to make those speak together because I feel like people who are just going to read A paper about twins and how they negotiate intimacy should also be very aware of this history because it's one that No one in communication studies talks about when they're using the twin studies methodology today No, and I think that that is like our next step and I think that I think strategically we went about it by um publishing different papers So we're hoping that we are publishing the history of twin studies. We published our twin intimacy And so we're hoping we can build then on the previous work to To do more work for us in that in that paper because I think it's also important to point to how in private private discourse but in interpersonal and family communication discourse these Very problematic logics are kept alive and not only alive but sedimented and concretized By twins by twins family members and of course by single twins who are non twins That's what we call not not us but like the community calls non twins um And so I think tying these together is really really important because if we want to have teeth to our critique if we want to Hopefully cause some sort of difference not transformation. That's a bold term We have to be able to link it to some sort of concrete communication practice Not only rhetorically in in public discourse, but also interpersonally in our everyday conversations and without qualitative and rhetorical methods These things are in different conversations, but they really need to be in the same place Like we can't be talking about twin studies like they have been Hello, I'm back Are you all ready for some questions? Um, I'll get us started off. Um, since you know, you're both, uh, you're both professors and you're both doing this You know sort of multi method mix method kind of research if you had If you could go back to when you were first writing that article Um, where you got the reviewer two comments, uh, like what what was it? Did you have a moment where you're like, okay? This is this is how we sort of fix the problem Um, and if you were going to give advice to any of your students on on how to do one of these studies, where would you start them? I guess I will start Jojo Um, I guess like in the sense we we did that submission one thing that we've been very more much more cognizant of is Being explicit about what we're doing. So oftentimes when we do this type of work and we submit it to social scientists And we have like rhetorical analysis at the beginning we get comments like your literature review is so long and you're like, oh my gosh That's not what it is It's not a literature review. Um, and so but of course like they don't know that and it's very hard to It would be I think a reasonable to expect them to know that I don't know why we did without explicitly Stating at the forefront that this is a multi-method piece and we've also done a lot more interrogation about what it means to do like a rhetorical Critical critical quality of multi-method piece in a way that if I were to advise a student in the future Being more upfront, but also being um, sort of in conversations with those method With those method conversations and that's something that we never were not very good about explicitly doing early on and then I guess also Sometimes you don't need to do both at the same time So we took this one publication and we turned it into like a series of what will now be three publications um, and it's And it's um sad because I feel like people won't miss some people will miss that history that I think is so important But in that third publication where we're going to do the analysis of like biologicalism in just twin conversations That we should be able to pull it all out. So that's what I would say during do you have anything to add? Oh, yeah, I mean, we really thought we nailed it We just we read it over and we're like, this is so good, right? And so I think just like On an emotional level, I would just say that like this review I mean these these these comments were just phenomenal And like they shaped really like our research agenda for like the next two or three years So just be patient. It doesn't mean you don't have good ideas. It just means you don't know everything Like you have to take the advice Right, uh, it's just one thing we brought up in uh episode one last year when sam martin and I were talking about Uh reviewer two and who reviewer two sort of is to the community reviewer two can be really harsh, but often they're spot on And that's why it hurts Absolutely, and it hurts so much more because you know, they're right. Yeah, could you have just been nicer about it? Well, and you can be nicer I think we should start that too. You can marry barry your reviewer two feedback. Yes. Yes. Yeah, I think uh Yeah, I think we should we should sort of as a as a discipline as the academy start looking at like why Why does everything have to feel like a hazing ritual, right? Yeah Also reading reviewer feedback like reading it like a textual analysis So they're saying you can't like we get this more with social scientific feedback Like you can't say this like you're not right blah, blah, blah, blah And so it's like more reading behind their comments So like there's an epistemological and ontological conflict that you have to make explicit In order to even have that conversation But that's something we face with the social science audience that we don't with a rhetorical or more critical minded audience Yeah, I think it happens in in both though because I know one of the struggles I had with With my dissertation in particular was that um, I kept forgetting that other people weren't in my head How is this not obvious to you? Oh, I didn't tell you But um one other question for me, um, you talk about in one of your papers troubling the functional dysfunctional family um, you talk a little bit about Judith Butler and uh her theory of performativity and Like how that creates You know these binaries Can you say a little more about that or yeah, so um that theory I wrote that paper with Julia more and that theory was really um integral to how we How how participants were kind of like framing their experience? And so we did we used Judith Butler's theory To look at how the family functional the functional family was being framed was being performed really in The social scientific literature and so like how it was being performed from that level And then the binary became like if you are if you're not functional if you don't meet these criteria And some of them are very explicit criteria like some are like shockingly direct criteria um, then you're not functional and so What that theory really did for us is give us a language to talk about how there were people Who saw themselves as functional who did not want to be consider themselves dysfunctional? um, and so they were really troubling this idea of what a functional or dysfunctional family looks like and so Um, that theory was like incredibly important And then it also it was like really cool because it tied together both our textual analysis Of the social scientific literature and then our qualitative analysis Um of our interviews as well. And so yeah that theory was bomb for that paper like it really showed how people were constrained but also moving to try and resist that constraint as well Cool Well, uh, I think we are getting here at 7 30 or just past 7 30 So I think I'm gonna have to cut us off even though this is an incredibly interesting conversation I would like to thank both of you the doctors allen First pointing us this evening. Uh, what a fantastic talk. Thank you so much for having us. This is so fun Yeah, it was a lot of fun. Thank you Now we're gonna send you over to Paris Wayland and a special guest to learn about how to how to find research in this area in Check this out and welcome back. My name is Paris Wayland if you all don't remember I am the media literacy librarian at the university. It's going to see Thanks for joining me again for those of you who can't remember the check this out segment is for those of you who um Sorry So the check this out segment is the portion where we Discuss um, whatever subject that we've been going over in the review or two So I'm not knowing what a family communication and then we discuss the resources and tools that viewers can use to continue learning about our subject Okay So today our discussion is going to be about family communication in the form of a we're going to talk more about information literacy Which I'll define a little bit later and joining me in this conversation is going to be shana destine Welcome. Welcome. Thank you for taking your time out of your busy schedule. She's joining me today Thank you for having me Yeah, so um, shana destine is a history librarian and member of the lgbtq plus community And she is passionate about justice for oppressed communities across the world and in the african Dispora And a new mom So um our role as librarians and liaisons is to familiarize ourselves with uh research tools and materials within the library resources on the campus as a whole and in our community, um That may contribute to the success of our students faculty and staff so essentially Um as liaisons our information literacy skills need to be on point or as we say, um, we need to be competent. Okay, so um acrl for those of you who are interested is an association under the american libraries association So ala defines information literacy as a set of abilities requiring individuals to recognize when information is needed And have the ability to locate evaluate and use it effectively Okay, so if you're trying to figure out what i'm talking about let me give you an example. Um I have a dog. He's amazing, but sometimes we have some behavioral issues Okay, so I recognize that I probably need to get him into an obedience training. So first of all I need to um, I know that I have a problem that he needs some training So now I need to figure out where uh, I'm going to train him how far Things like that and then I need to figure out which um Which training place is going to work for me and that's through my personal evaluation I don't want to go far. I don't want to be in particularly areas things like that So at the end of the day, um, I finally came to a place in your schedule. That is a real life version of um, using Of going through information literacy. Okay, so what makes information Literacy so difficult is that there's an overwhelming amount of it coming at us every single day We've got social media. You've got your emails coming and you've got your news notifications all of that and somehow we're supposed to process that and evaluate it. So, um Basically information literacy is filling in that learning gap. And so we're going to kind of talk through that today I'm going to be seeking from the academic perspective And shannon is going to kind of speak from the public So that you guys have resources and you can access the information. Okay So with all of that being said, um, I'd like to just kind of go through information literacy So The components of information literacy are now on the screen and they're basically listed there identify find evaluate apply And acknowledge sources of information. So for those of you who are unfamiliar with information literacy, or you're just starting to remember Know that um, we're building Information literacy skills and it takes practice. Okay, so that's what we're here to do today I'll be talking for quite a while. Sheena Is there's something you would like to add when it comes to information literacy? Not really, but just to keep in mind that, you know, it's a very multi-dimensional thing It is shifted and it moves and changes with your social and cultural context So you have to keep that in mind with how you're ingesting basically how you're ingesting information Go through your lens of your experience and like, you know, your lifestyle your culture, etc Yeah, yeah, thank you for saying that so basically no matter what the source You need to think quickly about the author the purpose in the context of the information So starting from the first step As a student or a faculty staff member building these skills you want to begin with a broad term So I might just use family communications if I'm not sure what I'm talking What I'm actually looking for and I might visit something that I've spoken about on multiple episodes Which are research guides. Okay um, I may search I may go into the ut libraries webpage click on research guides and I may search by subject and find the child and family studies guide, which is curated by our subject library and Donna is Donna bracket Donna bracket Donna breath and You're basically going to use those tabs within that research That lib guide to guide you through your research. It will include things like databases journals and professional associations So you don't have to just use it for research. It might be a great way to kind of understand your discipline a little bit better. So What places would the public go to research information on family communication? um, I mean I like to start where people are at and a lot of people automatically go to go automatically go to google Um, which is fine, right? But the thing is that google will bring you back every answer So it's it's going to give you anything that says family communication in it. Whether it's good bad funny You know satire or whatever and so you're going to want to really like dig into your information literacy skills At that, you know to kind of wade through all that you can use google scholar um And the good thing is if you're I know we're talking about the public But if you're a student and use google scholar and you're logged in you'll get some stuff that we have in our databases So, you know, it'll pull in things from different databases So you don't have to go into individual ones But if you're a general public you'll get like, you know Dissertation species things that are not behind a paywall in any kind of way But sometimes the language gets really difficult to understand So it really depends on your background. Um, if you can understand those things Some of the stuff I can't because what I do know is family communication as a whole is studied by Psychology sociology, you know, and then child and family studies. So you might get Things that have that kind of jargon from those different disciplines in them And if you know if you don't have the background it might be a little difficult But you it'll help kind of clarify what you're looking for I feel like what I would suggest for the public is if you do get into dissertations and Articles and such is to read the abstract. The abstract is usually in very plain English and you can see if this is, you know, if this Article is something you want to dig deeper into based on the first couple sentences Sweet. Thank you so much. I um taught an information Seeking process class earlier today and I talked about this all day long and I was like super excited but also I was like, I gotta tell me back for the For the podcast tonight Back So once we've kind of explored the topic and we want to narrow down in a focus I might start to use advanced search options. So if I went to a database I chose something with child and family studies and there's a database in there say air for something I mean, I may start using keyword terms that maybe I got from google search So I may use non normative family communications All separately and I may use boogie and operators such as or And or not to kind of help me sort through some of those Results so that we no longer have a million. Maybe we have 30 that thousand because that seems like a lot But it is a lot less than a million. So, um You can use any search terms like I said from the Language you found in your explorations. So I also might use filters and limiters as well Which are usually on like the left hand side of your databases. So you may choose peer reviewed You may actually in some of them choose methodology. I noticed that which is really awesome. Um, you can also choose dates That is my dog. I Sorry about that. So shana How might someone without access to utk's resources? Find search terms and basic information Well, I am really a fan of using those same abstracts. Um abstracts usually introduce a lot of terms So I usually go through them and write down terms as I'm reading them And then again, like you said, like I might go through some of these these um free free search places google whatever and I um look at what's tagged under some of the articles because sometimes they have tags and I'll write those down So I you literally I always tell my students you can find search terms anywhere. I sometimes find search terms on twitter um, but yeah If you don't have access to utk's um resources You can um get a one day pass at the library Which I don't think a lot of people know but you can come in and get like a guest pass And use all of our computers and our databases for the day Um, but you can go to the public library and work with those librarians You know, they're really good at helping folks and then um government sources if you have like certain um Like state departments that focus on families and do research They they sometimes have like very public databases that you can use So, I mean there's a lot of a lot out there and I mean also I get people who email me from the public all the time um, who need help with things and I Help them like I help students I just help them using things that they have access to like I'll show them how to search google or how to search Um some a free site in some kind of way So it's not you can reach out to like a librarian at a university who does child and family studies Yeah, yeah, I say that all the time is all else fails And you can't find anything reach out to your your librarian or a librarian and we can help get you there Okay, if we don't know we will find somebody to help you. I mean, I've sent people to librarians at other schools, you know, like Librarians love to help you. Yeah We're not gatekeepers. We like to share information. We share research guys and things like that We get in desperation. I'm just so excited when people ask me questions. Like I'm like, oh, hey, okay. Cool. Let me help So, um, those are really great examples. Thank you for giving them to me Um, so after I've kind of developed a uh, some language and some general understanding on my topic I might start evaluating my materials, which is the next step after this So when I say evaluating materials, you start to determine the quality of their source the credibility and the validity Um, so you're reviewing multiple different points of view from your own opinion So I might take a couple of articles and say, all right. Well, I need to pull this part What about this methodology? What's going on in here? Um, I might say they quoted someone but they misquoted You know things like this happen and you just need to be aware of that and that's in an academic setting So like what are some ways in which a public can engage in uh, the process of evaluating information shared by family Social media and their own research process using like search engines This is something I talk about so much now because we're in the covid age and everybody's quoting different things that are wrong So I'm always telling folks and these are people close to me like like my kids godparents like check your sources Like what what what um website did that come from and if it says like oh it came from you know Turkish bot.com is probably not Not credible or you know, at least find a second source to back it up I'm not going to be like super elitist and be like, oh only if it says.org because a lot of bots and a lot of like other Organizations who are like counters to whatever you're trying to research are also using dot orgs So what I would say is like, you know, if they are saying oh this government document says Blah blah blah then go find that government document government documents are free You can find them um and read what it actually says not just the sentence that they're quoting but the sentences around it um Make sure that the information is updated right like because you know, especially like in a current You know current days when information is moving so fast and like science is moving so fast and You what you might have quoted in january may already be outdated Right, so it's like, you know, this is a process But you have to do it because what we don't want is to be out there sounding Like we don't know what we're talking about right? We want to make sure that what we have our informations together We're together and we know what we're looking at Um, yeah, and so I I literally walk cousins through information literacy Working while you're off. Okay. I'm like, well, let's show me set your sources. Where did that come from and then we have to talk about it So we've evaluated our sources as students So maybe this came in the form of like a literature review you talked about a couple of things you pulled them apart You compared them now it's time to kind of apply your knowledge So for example, according to an article I read in the journal of child and family studies you can paraphrase a Expert you can cite you can also download an image From a database and just incorporate it into a visual presentation These are different ways that students faculty and staff can practice that portion of Applying their knowledge or applying what they've learned to their current knowledge So in the real world setting, how does the public apply that information they've gathered and like foster discussion or the exchange of ideas and information I mean, I'm a big fan of like I will debate you on twitter I will and I like and the thing is like I'm gonna tell you right now Nobody should debate a librarian. They should not it's not a good look because I will literally cite a source I will be like, oh well here um the cdc just released this article and here's what it says and here's this and I like We're not gonna have people like with misinformation around you right because I mean certain things are polite debates Right like certain things we can just like kiki about and it's funny like oh Paris, why did you go to that dog school? You can go to this dog school? Whatever, you know When we get into things that are like dangerous or when we get into things, you know, like Oh, we should drink bleach to cure ourselves of whatever like now We have to really get into it because I don't want you to drink bleach I want you to you have like real information about what's going on and like, you know and and also People tend to like some people will use bad information and weaponize that so you just want to make sure Especially like before talking about family communication Like the family like family is basically built around communication good or bad So what we want is healthy communication and what we want is cohesive families Like we don't want, you know, we don't want any toxic situations So in those cases we want to make sure that our situations together. We're battling misinformation I think that's kind of a right job at this point Well, that was heavy I know sorry I had to go Step in the information of literacy components is acknowledged and it's exactly what it sounds like This is like your work cited page. If you're a student Um, you like utilizing copyrights or, you know, creative commons license or guidelines. Okay Give credit to an image things like that are going to be the acknowledged portion. Okay So what are some examples of the public? Um, Can use can can use to credit their sources and be aware of the limits of free speech and censoring Well, first things first like I mean, you know copyright there's fair use so you can use things in a debate And not be in trouble you can use things in You know your class project Not getting trouble You want to be careful about using things that you're going to publish or make money on so but you I mean You can credit people for the most part and not get into trouble So I want to start there, but um, I am a fan of captions and tagging and You know, um, especially to link information together like if um, I there was a time when me and my wife were trying to have a baby We were, you know, looking for information and as we got information We would share information with other groups And if you and if we hashtagged it then we could all link those together and find them when they're about certain things So that was helpful when we're just looking for information specific to a part of the process um, so and I think that on social media if I Share somebody's information. I always always credit them for that information and you know social media people love that because that's that's a little bit of a cosine That's what we call it where I'm coming from and that's a good thing. So yeah, I think that that's it Well, awesome, um, so that basically wraps up the information literacy components And we've kind of given you an example A long example about how you might search for information successfully as a member of the public or an institution Shayna, is there anything like you'd like to add? No, it's been a pleasure talking to you. Yeah Same here. Um, hopefully walking our viewers through the components of information literacy and demonstrating what they learned Or demonstrating how to go about it We'll help them and build their confidence and they can go for it with this information start practicing it. Okay That is the goal if you're confused So this basically this concludes our checklist out segment I want to thank Shayna for joining us again and being so willing and excited to share her well-loved information with us Until next time y'all take it easy And I think we're actually going to move on to stories in a stack with What's that girl's name? Uh, sarah johnson Hi, everyone. Welcome to stories in the stacks I'm sarah johnson and I don't actually know if I'm supposed to be here, but y'all are fun So I think I'm going to stay um, so tonight I'm going to talk about genealogy specifically genealogy research And it all starts with a little story from my mother declaring we are a first family of tennessee Okay, she really didn't say it like that But that seems like something that needs emphasis when you say it out loud. You know what I mean Okay, maybe it's just me Actually, I think I'm getting ahead of myself So let's take it back to the beginning before I found out all this cool stuff about my family So we embarked into this journey the way anyone else might We had no idea what we were doing. Um, so what do we do? We googled it Seems like the logical thing to do I'm kidding. But but honestly, that's where we started. Um, we were searching to find whatever we could Especially since we were just starting out. We really wanted to try to find the best places to do more in depth research Um, we found ancestry websites. We found books about family members, you know way back when Uh, we talked with family members to see like all like, you know, anything that they could remember And we even used like the archives down at the east tennessee historical society here in town Uh, we found all of these avenues to be kind of doing it like doing this kind of research and we went to thinking Let's research. We got this like no one's ever done this before ever Now I just made it sound like we did a whole bunch of work, right? No For our family the majority of the work had already been done by a lot of other people. So thank you Um, whether it be family members who had devoted a lot of their time to learn about our own family Um, or individuals who are just interested in this kind of work The majority of the information we found had already been found for us All we had to do was just follow the breadcrumbs So here's a little peek into my own family history because why not share cool things? So The first thing that we kind of found was my paternal great-grandmother was a Buchanan from scotland love scotland Some of her brothers and nephews had already tracked down a lot of the genealogy connections for that part of the family So there you go Um, and in fact the Buchanan line goes all the way back to and lian bewey okyan Who doesn't love a name like that? like Let me have let me let me just go change my name and lian came to scotland from ireland in 950 ad To help the dain or to help fight against the danes or at least like that's the story that is told um, and if you're a fan Let me just plug uh, if you're a fan of the last kingdom on Netflix That this is kind of the timeline like this is the same time period that this would be happening um Really good show but for assisting in the fight against the danes He was given the Buchanan clan lands close to The what the area of scotland that's called Lock lomand And i get that wrong every single time because it's not how it looks when you try to read it And then another cool fun fact is there is a Buchanan castle in Scotland so i'm that's going to have to be on my bucket list now So needless to say this was all super cool stuff or at least to me It was um, and it makes you realize that you don't really know what you're going to find like there's so much out there But while i'm researching like you know, I think that's probably why people are drawn to this kind of research Because you get to find out cool things that you don't know. Um, and so in that Are like, you know, we're going to keep going because like cool things um My so my paternal great grandfather's family Settled in tennessee very early on Hence the first family of tennessee Um, this great grandfather's family traces back to nicolas gibbs Yeah, so like if you've heard the gibbs area here in town, it's that gibbs apparently Um, and prior to his family Immigrating to the united states the gibbs they lived For about a hundred years net along the rine river in germany. So I thought that was really cool Um, but nicolas gibbs. He was a revolutionary war hero Um, he was one of the first justices justices of the peace in noxville and appointed by governor william blunt Um, and he also served with james white who is the founder of noxville um So all of these things, you know, I didn't know until recently helped me build connections to my outside world You know, it connected me to you know, where i've grown up my whole life um And it tells me, you know, where i'm from The experiences my family went through The strengths that lie, you know inside myself and like in all of us and it can give us a sense of self-worth and you know be proud of like who you are and your heritage um But I think that can also come with you know learning like Learning to forgive and move forward sometimes because sometimes our history isn't this cool Shiny fun fact that we want to share with the world But you know, we take those pieces and we learn from them and we translate that to our own world And how we can make better versions of ourselves Um, and so that was just a little snippet into my own history And I hope that this kind of inspires, you know, you all to go research your own families because It's super cool But I'm thankful for like all the people who have dedicated their time to do this research Um because it you know adds value to people's lives like my own And it can you know connect family pieces back together So thanks for being here for stories from the stacks. I hope you all liked it Maybe you'll keep me maybe I don't know. What do you think Paris? I wish I had like a little scorecard that was like 10 You get the thumbs up from me So uh mark your calendars everyone particularly you sarah and paris For the next episode of for your reference on thursday october 21st at seven eastern Can't get enough of ut libraries. We have our first in conversation event of the fall Next tuesday at six p.m. Right here on facebook and youtube and uh, we'll be welcoming the three authors of family hiking in the smokies howl hubs charles maynard and uh, Do I forgot the other get don't have the other guy's name here. Sorry about that. Um My moderator katie kate author of have you seen a black bear will be Moderate Check out lib.utk.edu for more information and thank you all for being here Have a good night everybody